4) Trans-gender, transvestite, whatever. Yes, I know the difference. Mr. Izzard has done an incredible thing - taken something that has been "in the closet" in western society for - well, a long time - and made it sort of "so what"? A good friend of mine, a fellow antique dealer has a photo postcard from the late 1800s depicting several fellows dressed in drag. Want a peek? I think he has it on eBay...let me know and I'll find out. But - you think this is NEW? Get real. "Transgender" has only been a "category" (there we go with the little boxes again) since modern surgery has been capable of making convincing changes. Long ago, tho (history major comes out) - there were males who had their naughty bits removed. Mozart wrote singing parts for "Castrato"...think about it. Henri III of France (1500s) and courtiers all dressed as whores and visited the "bad" parts of Paris. Seems they had great fun. Shocking? No, HUMAN. -- Eddie Pedantic Gasbag Discussion Group

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Date Posted: 01:23:13 07/14/01 Sat
Author: gumtree
Subject: 4) Trans-gender, transvestite, whatever. Yes, I know the difference. Mr. Izzard has done an incredible thing - taken something that has been "in the closet" in western society for - well, a long time - and made it sort of "so what"? A good friend of mine, a fellow antique dealer has a photo postcard from the late 1800s depicting several fellows dressed in drag. Want a peek? I think he has it on eBay...let me know and I'll find out. But - you think this is NEW? Get real. "Transgender" has only been a "category" (there we go with the little boxes again) since modern surgery has been capable of making convincing changes. Long ago, tho (history major comes out) - there were males who had their naughty bits removed. Mozart wrote singing parts for "Castrato"...think about it. Henri III of France (1500s) and courtiers all dressed as whores and visited the "bad" parts of Paris. Seems they had great fun. Shocking? No, HUMAN.
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Cool Gum did you fix Voy Forums? Yes I think Eddie has moved the boundary a bit on the gender thing but it was moving anyway. Androgeny is in, the young are mixing it up in fashion and in attitude. That is, the young in the big cities and college oriented areas, we still have the bible belt and all that. But the whole mixing and mingling is happening naturally, and I think all the categories are losing their forbidden auras and becoming more accepted. HEy it's the new millenium! (NT) -- spoot, 02:14:16 07/14/01 Sat
- Yeah, I just kept beating on the door, and finally they let me in...*G* - while there's a lot of "fashionable" playing about going on, I cant help but wonder what the fuss is all about. If you want to shag someone, then make sure that you have their cooperation, and that you are being honorable. Where's the fuss? (NT) -- gumtree, 02:21:58 07/14/01 Sat