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Subject: engines


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Robert John
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Date Posted: 03/ 30/ 10, 6:44am

Greetings,
I am wondering about the diesel engines in these motor homes. Specifically the Detroit and cat engines in the 1987 thru 1990 models. I like the information I have found on this site about the quality of the Blue Bird/Wander lodges and I am convinced that this is the coach for me. However I am not sure about the engines. Are the Detroits good engines? And what about the Cat engines are they more reliable or economical than a Detroit? and what kind of Mileage should one expect with either. How many miles would you expect to get before having the engine rebuilt?
Any information will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert John

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Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 31/ 10, 2:44pm

Robert- I am very happy with my 6V92 Detroit, but it is not a computer-controlled DDEC version. If you want to read a ton of info about Detroit 2-stroke engines, check out the Tejas Coach Works website at http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html. The 2-stroke engines are simple and reliable. With good maintenance, one could expect 300K miles in a motorcoach, more in a commerical truck. Bluebirds have the Detroit engines in the PT36, PT38 and PT40... 300HP turbo Cat engines used in the late 80's FC's and SP models are also very reliable and a little speedier than the 6V92, but will not keep up with the 8V92 in most cases. For some reason, the 8V92's seem to need rebuilt more often, but we're not sure why. My guess is that they are more sensitive to the limitations of the cooling system on the pusher models and get hotter. Mileage with the Detroit engines will range from 5.5 to 6.5 MPG. The 300HP Cat engine will do a little better at 6.5 to 8 MPG, depending on your driving style.

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Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 10, 12:36pm

I looked long and hard, talked to many diesel mechanics and settled on the 8V92. At 150,000 miles it still runs smooth with no smoke that I would see from the Cat engines. No the mileage is not great but a smooth running powerful engine is what I was looking for. Maintenance is the key. Filters and oil are cheap compared to repair. The pushers are much easy to work on than the FC and much quieter on the road. You won't make a mistake buying a Wanderlodge.

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Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 10:11am

Thanks for the reply. How is the mileage on the 8V92? How many miles did it have when you purchased it? Did you have it checked out at a Detroit shop before you purchased it? If I wanted to do that what is important to check?

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Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 10, 7:04am

I did not have a Detroit mechanic check it before purchase. It had 149,000 when I purchased it. It has about 152,000 now. I get 6mpg at best. After start it does not smoke and it does not leak oil. I looked at different coaches that had CAT engines with mileage over 100,000 and they kept smoking after start. Maybe I was just lucky but diesel mechanics have told me I will get a long life from the 8V92. Hope that helps.

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Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/ 10, 6:10am

Thank you. I hope you get great life out or your 8V92. Your answers have helped ease my concerns about the engine.

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Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 8:24am

Thanks for the reply. I do appreciate it.

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Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 10, 3:59pm

Hello,

For the years your referring to… The 3208’s are in the front control buses which are lighter and about a foot lower, better fuel economy. With the cat your talking quarts, the Detroit gallons, I’ve had both buses and I’d say that the Detroit equipped buses (pushers) may in some cases have better access for maintenance, other times just a difficult of access but bigger bolts; for most regular scheduled maintenance the front control was about the same in effort as my previous Cummins equipped truck. The pushers are easier to crawl under, just don’t squish yourself. The pushers in general have more subsystems and are therefore more complex, a FC is a great coach to start with, easier learning curve. The 6V’s do have the same cooling system as the 8V’s, which is a real plus for the 6V; you can easily overheat your engine oil on a hill with the 8V, and loose ALL oil pressure when you lift your foot off the accelerator. The cats just go slow and in comparison have a puny cooling system. Detroits use a single weight oil only, and you can use 50 weight if smoke becomes a problem. I suspect that buyers who purchase the bigger bus with the bigger engine w/all the bells and whistles are more prone to replace an engine rather than deal with the possible consequence of being stranded. I drove a 6V PT40 with over 300K miles, kind of moved like a 3208 and smoked, but it could have benifited with 50 weight oil and probably had a few more years of typical RV use in it; a lot of guys would have rebuilt that engine years ago, yet it was still completely usable. Don

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