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Subject: oil level


Author:
James
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 10, 1:20pm
1) Am working on an ISUZU FORWARD JUSTON, TIPER 4ton. The engine oil level reduces after moving about 2000 - 3000 km of service. At first this engine was using a monograde engine oil and later changed to a multigrade, shortly after it started behaving like this. I checked and there is no sign of oil escape to the combustion chamber, i recomended engine flushing and this gave some improvement but not satisifactory. Can some one advise?

2) Can some one advise on how i can install a battery and an invertor in a vehicle(200W-pure sine wave), i preffer using the m/v chaging system for charging both batterries.

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Subject: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 09, 4:14pm
Hello. Can anyone tell me where to get the replcement filter element for my racor, its time for a change. I have an 83 PT40 with a 6V92. Also, I understand there is a procedure for changing it, just dont know what it is. Would it be a good idea to change the other two fuel filters at the same time? Will I get air in the fuel that wont purge out and then I will not be able to start? Thanks for the info.

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[> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 09, 2:40pm
Stu- I use Napa Gold #3799 for Racor. I use Napa Gold #3120 for engine fuel filter. I bought a small container/gas can and put about 1 gallon of diesel in that. I take the lid off the Racor and twist the filter out. I then insert the new element and add some fresh diesel. It takes a little while for it to settle and then I top it off, add the new gaskets and put the lid back on. The engine filter I add diesel to the filter and when it is full to the top, install it. Then I crank the engine. If it has been cold- like here in Texas, I'll have turned the block heater on a few hours prior. I never have had a problem getting air into the lines with this procedure. Ernie- 83PT40- 6v92 300,000 miles and running strong

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[> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 26/ 09, 10:43am
Thanks
I have two other fuel filters, a primary and a secondary, and my concern is that the Racor guage on my overhead, and it seems we have the same coach, is getting into the yellow. Since red is next, I expect that is not good. Would it be your guess that it is the Racor filter, or that the Racor is sensing the other filters are clogging up from age?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 26/ 09, 3:58pm
Stu- the gauge is for the Racor. I drove mine when it was in the red, last month. Bus ran sluggish. Switched them and are good to go. Do you have 1 or 2 filters at the back of your engine? Some coaches have been modified to run just the Racor and one primary spin on which is my setup. Ernie in Texas

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 09, 9:54am
Thanks. I have two, so I run the Racor, then a primary and a secondary. I bought the part, and I am going to do the change out in a few days, and for the heck of it, I will change all 3 together so its easier to keep track of when it was done. Do you know if the generator pulls diesel through that Racor system also, or if the ONLY fuel filter the generator has is the one on the side of it?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 09, 2:54pm
The only thing I know about the generator fuel is that on mine, there is a smaller racor under the front bumper that supplies the generator. You can change that one, same procedure. The filter on the Perkins is a pain to refill and I have wound up priming the engine so it will fire.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 09, 7:20am
Hi Stu,
Just be sure that you top off the spin-on filters on the back of the Detroit engine with VERY CLEAN fuel. Fill them to the point of almost overflowing- you can't afford to get any air or dirt in the system at that point. The Racor is a little more forgiving- it will purge air by itself if you get any in there. Like Ernie said, it still needs topped off with clean fuel too. Then genny should have a little, baby racor filter that is located up behind the right front bumper. I use 2 micron filters in the Racor's and 10 micron filters on the engine. On average, I change the Racor filters twice as often as the others. They are cheaper and easy to swap out while on the road.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 09, 4:14pm
Am I reading something wrong here? I always thought that the filters became finer the closer to the motor. So the larger (Racor) 10 micron filter would clear the bulk of contaminents and the smaller engine mounted filter at 2 microns, and very easy to clog, would be the final filtration stage.

I did place the little red O-ring on the T-Handle on the racor on the wrong side of the racor filter top once. Lost prime at a camp ground, very embarrising, made plenty of white smoke. Kind of like the time I didn't blow the leaves of the roof of the bus and they clogged the snorkel air intake and collapsed it.

Don't forget that some of the smaller racor filters for our generators need a free spacer installed in the filter body to insure proper filtration; a big racor factory oops as I recal.

Regards,

Don 1987 PT40

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Subject: 88 PT40 Sunroof Gasket


Author:
Bob Clement
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 09, 1:19pm
I have a 88 PT40 with a factory installed sunroof that is leaking and I need a new gasket for it. I talked to the people at Coachcraft and they were unable to help me. The only marking on the sunroof is on the glass that says "Blistex". Can any one help me with this?

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Subject: Happy Birthday Vintage Birds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 19/ 09, 4:04pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY to the VINTAGE BIRDS ON 25 YEARS!!!!

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Subject: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 4:47pm
Hi all,

I have a lighted 110v Switch under my kitchen sink that I'm not sure what it is for, any thoughts? Maybe the out side outlets, or heating holding tanks (if I have those...). The outside outlets kind of ring a bell, but it is COLD for Oregon, and if this turns on more heat tape etc., I'd like to know.

The AC load center has circuits for the holding tank heaters, does anyone know to verify if these are present, or if all birds of this vintage had them? I have the DC schematics, but no AC drawing.

I guess the folks who wrote the operator manual figured there were just too many switches and options to mention them all...

Regards,

Don
1987 PT40

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[> Subject: Re: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:46am
Don- I just checked with another '87 PT40 owner and he indicated that the lighted switch under the sink is for the Insta-hot dispenser. In my coach, there is an outlet in the wall under the sink for the insta-hot. You may be able to find an electric baseboard heater under your sink or behind your cabinets that could also be plugged in where the insta-hot is- in which case the lighted switch controls more than the insta-hot.

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[> Subject: Re: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Tom S.
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 4:47pm
Like Shane said the lighted switch should be for the insta-hot water. If I remember correctly there is a plug under the sink with one of the plugs being powered from the invertor (thats the one the insta-hot plugs into. The other plug there is heat tape for the water lines plugged into it. There is also a small electric baseboard heater and thermostat under there that is hard wired in.

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Subject: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:39am
My wife and I are going to buy a Bluebird, mid 80s early 90s. I have seen coaches listed with at laest 3 different diesel engines, 8V92, 6V92 Detroits and 3208 Cats. Any better than the other? We will be towing a small pickup.

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 2:31am
Mike- I've been really pleased with my 6V92, but speed is limited to around 70 MPH tops. If you live in TX or the southwest and want to really fly- the 8V92 is a must. The Cat's are very reliable, but also limited to a maximum speed of around 65-70 without some "tweaking".

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[> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 10:55am
How are the 6V92s for pulling hills?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 4:23pm
Mike- I've never met a hill that I could not get over. That being said- going through Yellowstone park at 8,000' above sea level, she's a little starved for Oxygen and slows to around 20 mph on some of the hills high in the Rockies. Traveling the interstates, we are never down below 45 MPH and can usually pass the slower trucks. The 6V's run nice and cool- same size radiator as the 8V.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 30/ 09, 5:37pm
I have a 6v92 with over 300k miles. I tow a 1 ton van on a large car hauler. I get 5 mpg and going up the mountains, I'm down to 20- but it is forward motion. I'm slow, but on the flats, I can do 75, easy. Ernie - no computers on my engine

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 09, 4:35am
Check out the History on this Forum, A pretty close guess is the 8V's were 450/500 Hp, The 6V was 330 HP, both at about 45,000 lbs with tag axle, The Cats were 210, 225,250, & 300 Hp depending on the model year, at about 32,000 lbs, single axle.
They all travel highway speeds, some climb mountains a little faster , all are very dependable & will get you where you are going.

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Tom T
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 09, 7:06am
You can't go wrong with the 8v92. It is strong and when taken care of will give you many happy miles. Run, don't walk, from Cat engines.

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[> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 5:13am
That's not nice , Cat Lover

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 12/ 5/ 09, 3:26pm
What's the down side to a cat? I notice that most PTs seem to be Detroit and the FCs are cats. not sure we need one as big as a PT series but you never know.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 09, 6:55pm
Mike- I don't think that there is anything "wrong" with the Cat's. It is simply a matter of speed and choice. If you want to fly down the highway, get a PT with an 8V92 pre-DDEC. If you are looking for a classic coach that's not going to go much over 65 MPH- get a mid-80's FC. The only "problem" that I've seen with the Cat engine is accessibility. There's a lot of stuff crammed into a small space. The SP's and PT's have engines that are exposed on 2 or 3 sides and tend to be much easier to service belts, hoses and pumps on.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 12/ 7/ 09, 6:17am
The Cat or DD are both reliable if serviced and maintained, The Cat 3208 is plentiful, lots available, heads mains, injection pump can be serviced in frame, complete overhaul out of frame, can be replaced plus or minus $10k, 7 to 10 mpg.
DD has more HP & more weight to push can be inframe repaired, minor to major overhaul $10K to $25K.
4 to 7 mpg. It depends on your needs and budget, and how the Bird will be used. Full time, weekends, short or long travel etc.....

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:39am
Hi Mike,

Mostly what the others said. The PT's are much more intemidating size wise but less stressfull to drive, I found. Servicing a FC, while cramped, is no more challenging than a diesel pu truck. On a PT think in terms gallons rather than quarts and then multiply by the number of quarts you are now accustomed to.

On a PT I find that as you approach a bad hill on a hot day that you choose a reasonable spead that you can hold, and stick with that from the onset. It is easy to have the oil temperature shoot through the roof, and if that gets to hot, if you allow the engine to idle your oil pressure will drop to zero, alarms go off...! On a non-turbo cat, they are not being pushed to hard via the govenor, harder to destruct, uphill anyway.

For many, starting out with a FC would be a good learning experience, in prep for a PT. My past (people don't like the term "Old") FC1980 had a spring suspension, that worked pretty well on back roads, it was pretty short at 30 feet and you could get out of tight spaces. With any bird you have to ask yourself if you take that turn will there be an easy way out, and if you'll sink like a rock.

Unless the bird was very well maintaned it is probably not economical to think you will simply have local shops do repairs. Either buy one that is very well maintaned or plan on learning to do most of the work your self. A shop could easily spend an hour just looking for your battery chargers, let alone a relay.

What ever you get, you will hardly be aware that you are towing something.

As far as engines go, the 3208 is a basic four stroke diesel, the 92's are a less typical, now, two stroke supercharged engine. The 92's are much more substantial size wise, have replacable cylingers, so are more heavy duty. You can burn either engine up with poor treatment, neither were cheap in their day. Both have a tradition of going on and on if cared for.

Hope this helps,

Don
1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: Looking for seller of 1987 FC35 in Torrance, CA


Author:
Esmi Heldo
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 7:36pm
I have been trying to contact the owner of the nice-looking 1987 FC35 in Torrance in the For Sale section of Buzzy's Billboard with no luck.

Does anyone have any idea whether that bus has sold?

Thank you, Esmi

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Subject: Bankruptcy???


Author:
Riley
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 10:10am
Have been shopping for '82 TO "85 Blue Bird for about 3 weeks. I was just informed that Blue Bird sold the Wanderlodge line one year ago and now the new company has filed for bankruptcy. Also, the Wanderlodge line is no longer in production.
Does anyone know if this is true?
If so, will parts be available in the future?

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[> Subject: Re: Bankruptcy???


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 10:10am
Riley- for those years, parts are quite plentiful. BB used commercial bus and truck parts in the 80's. More proprietary stuff after 2000 made things a little more challenging. I've never had problems getting parts for my '85. We have a large database of manuals and schematics for most years available on our various forums.

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Subject: Power Steering Fluid


Author:
K J
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 09, 9:35pm
I just purchased a 1984 FC 35' Disel 3208 w/Turbo 250 hp Wanderlodge and am wondering what type of power steering fluid is used in the resevoir. Is it hydrolic or Transmission fluid, if so, Type F or GM type?

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Subject: Fires on 90s BB


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 09, 6:23pm
Within the last 6 months 3 coaches have caught fire. The main culprit is the battery cable that runs behind the battery bank in the rear forward. If you have sliding battery trays or not, it is a MUST that you examine these cables for chaffing. The result is major direct short and fire. I cannot emphasize this enough. Ernie

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Subject: 64 bird


Author:
joel hall (inuvik)
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Date Posted: 11/ 22/ 09, 5:49pm
anyone ever seen an international chassis with dayton style wheels? (these are the ones that don't have rims, they have a big ring for a rim. was looking at a bird, I believe it is a 64. it is not titled that yr, but it looks like one. it has the 391 ford gas with 6 sp auto. is this an ok set up? I know they are slow, but do they hold up? thanks joel hall 906 249 3458

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Subject: Primus circulating pump WL#3941937


Author:
Bill Thomas (bigtrack)
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 09, 1:15pm
Where can I buy a circulating pump WL#3041037 for my primus heating system? I have a 1993 Wanderlodge. I can not get in touch with Mar-Dex. Are they out of business?
Do you know of another place to buy a pump?

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Subject: where to winter


Author:
Jim
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 09, 6:58pm
We are planning our retirement within the next couple months and buying a bird. We want to go somewhere south west US. to be able to ride bicycles and walk etc. beach would be nice but too $$$. my dad used to go to yuma and later needles. and we need to be frugal!

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[> Subject: Re: where to winter


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 09, 6:58pm
The time to purchase is now. The prices for a quality, strongly built like a tank coach is rock bottom.

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Subject: 1997 Wanderlodge owners


Author:
Fred Hulse
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 09, 12:18pm
Hi Folks
Rick Archie (97WLWB) and I are attempting to gather some statistics and information and would appreciate it if any and all 97 Wanderlodge owners would send a message to me.
If you have been contacted by Rick please send the message regardless.
Thanks for your help.

fhulse@wildblue.net

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown Az.
1997 WLWB PT41

ps. apologies for the cross post,but I want to reach each and everyone

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Subject: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm
The Sun is shining and I just had fresh Chinook
Salmon. Does it get better than this? Question; We are going to purchase a 90s Bluebird and have been watching the ads. I need to know the differences between the BMC and the WANDERLODGE. I prefer the Cummins Power plant so was leaning to the BMC but don't know enough about it. I sold my Bluebird Wanderlodge last year and bought a Class "C". (DO NOT make this mistake). If you have a Bluebird you have the VERY Best. Someone please explain to me the differences (BMC or WANDERLODGE). Thank You Bob Neary

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 30/ 09, 5:02am
The BMC was made for just a fewe years in the 90s. The differences are that they do not have all the bells and whistles of a Wanderlodge. I would be proud to have either one. Ernie- 83PT40

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[> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 8:12pm
Thank You Guys; What "Options are missing"? I think the Cummins gets better fuel economy than the Detroit and anyone who thinks we are not going to have higher fuel costs has his/her head in the sand. What is the Weight of the BMC? The Wanderlodge should still go mid to high 40s. Bob

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Jim Baker
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm
Having owned a BMC for 10 years, I can tell you that it is a fine piece of machinery. The Spartan chassis is no slouch - Spartan builds chassis for many Firetrucks, and the military, and unlike Bluebird Motorhomes, is still in business. The interior is all Bluebird, with great materials and lots of mirrors..of course. I think the GVW is around 31,000 lbs, plenty for a single rear axle. I have not owned other Bluebirds, so don't know what options are missing, but I haven't missed anything that I know of. I recommend BMC's. That being said, we just sold ours and are retiring from motorhoming after 40 years, so that is my piece - for whatever it is worth.

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 3:42am
I believe the major difference was that BB tried to make a lower cost Motorhome, and used another chassis, I think it was a Sparton/Cummins. Also eliminate a few options. The BMC it still a very nice coach, Only a few years in production .

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 11:12am
Bill hit the nail on the head. In an effort to boost sluggish sales Blue Bird started the BMC (Blue Bird Motor Coach) line. They used a Spartan chassis which has a lighter weight capacity and was not purpose designed/built by Blue Bird. Blue Bird added a fine body and interior which, while nicer than most any other motorhome out there, there are differences with the Wanderlodge that was built from the ground up by Blue Bird. The reduced weight capacity made it essential to cut down on the size of things such as engine, generator, battery banks, tank capacities, frills, etc. Overall, I agree with the others; it is a fine coach.

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Subject: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm
My 4 six volt batteries have finally given out and need replacing. With today's battery technology, has anyone tries using two high performance fishing trolling motor 12 volt batteries wired in series to replace the four 6 volt batteries wired in parrallel? If so, what kind of life are you getting from them?

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[> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 09, 3:31am
John- I've had the best results from a good Xantrex 3-stage charger and the 6V golf cart batteries that you get at Sam's Club. For the cost of the custom trolling motor battery, you could just replace your old battery boiler charger with a Truecharge 40+ and buy the cheaper golf cart batteries. Just an FYI- the 6V batteries are wired in series, not the 12V- those have to be wired in Parallel. The 6V batteries afford a much better reserve capacity due to thicker plates. Normally, you have two "pairs" of 6V batteries, each wired in series.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm
Shane thanks for the info! And the clarification on the battery wiring. You were a great help!

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Subject: roof air VS dash air


Author:
danny
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 2:29am
What will return better MPG over the road: Dash air or the roof tops powered by the genny?

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[> Subject: Re: roof air VS dash air


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 2:29am
Danny- Without knowing your current MPG and engine, it's hard to answer your question accurately. If you're running with a Cat3208 or DD6V92, use the genny for A/C cooling. The smaller engines are going to need all of the power they can get to keep the coach moving! My Perkins uses about 8/10 gallon per hour. It also rarely gets used hard enough- so driving down the road with it on and under load is good exercise. A "lightly" used genset will fail before one that's exercised regularly. The next time that you calculate your MPG, factor in another 8/10 gallon for every 60 miles and see how it affects your numbers. If you log your genny hours, coach mileage and gallons purchased at each fillup, you can easily calculate the difference. In my case, if I used the genset ALL of the time while traveling, it would reduce my MPG by a factor of around 0.4 MPG.

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Subject: convection microwave oven


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 12:28am
On our maiden voyage with out new to us Bird the micro convection oven quit. Anyone out there know where I can get a replacement. It is a Carosel 2 built over the stove measurements 24 5/8" wide,14 1/2" high and the depth is up to 22". It is not vented. Everything I have found is too big and needs space on the sides or is vented.

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[> Subject: Re: convection microwave oven


Author:
NH BIll
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 12:28am
Sharp 930AK(Black) also available in stainless and white about $400

dimensions 24 5/8 x 14 7/8 x 19

Replaced original Sharp Carousel with this in our 83FC.

Only difference in size is height. The 930 is about .75" shorter so a fill strip at the top took care of it.
Nice replacement. Much faster than the old 600W unit and easy to use.

NH Bill

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Subject: closet door pull


Author:
Ralph Wilson
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm
was wondering if anyone out there knows where we can get a closet door pull for our bluebird. it is a 1999, plan # 1206, body #122700..they are gold in color.
any help or directions as where to look would be appreciated.
thanks
Ralph and DOreen

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[> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 09, 10:10am
Below is a copy of my post on the Wanderlodge Owners Online forum. The pictures won't show up here but you should be able to see the information to order. NOTE: Since I posted there, I received my handles and had two gold plated at a local shop. They are close enough so I didn't have to replace all.

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Bill & Ann, Wow, a coincidence!! I just went through this last week when one broke on our '99. The handles I have are made by Sugitsune and have the marking "LAMP" under the lift handle.



If yours are like the picture above, there is good news and bad news. Bad news is that they are discontinued and there are none available in brass either in the US or in Japan. Good news is that the importer has a limited quantity of the nickle (chrome) finish available for less than $12.00 each. I just ordered 8 pieces. Six will be used to replace all if it becomes necessary and I'm sending two out to a local custom plating shop to be brass plated. If the match is exact, I'll just need the one or if quite close, I can change the two that are side by side. As a last resort, I'll change all to the nickle finish as they should look "OK" set into the silver mirror.

Here is the contact info at the wholesaler:
Jim Smith
Sugatsune America, Inc.
221 East Selandia Lane
Carson, CA 90746-1414

310-329-6373
800-562-5267
FAX 310-329-0819

Jim gave me a local retailer who ordered them for me and they will be shipped direct to me from the CA wholesaler.

The model number of my original brass handles is "FH-100BM-11" and the nickle finish number that is available is "FH-100BM-00" . These are the ones with the spring, there is a similar handle without a spring too which carries an "AM" in the model number instead of "BM". Blue Bird had only one nickle finish in stock and no brass finish.

As far as removal of the old ones, that is a little tricky because, in their infinite wisdom, the factory decided not to use the screws provided which would have been visible on the inside of the door and, instead, glued the handle in with a gob of silicone. To remove the broken one, I drilled a hole about 1/2 way down from the top being careful not to go deep enough to go through the door and threaded a long lag screw into the hole again being careful not to go through the door. By pulling and wiggling the lag screw, the handle came free. Obviously, one should not try to pry out the flush handle as the mirror could be broken.

I'll post as soon as the handles arrive, should be in a few days. Now that I think about it, I may reconsider and have them all plated brass. That way I'm covered whether or not they match exactly and will still have spares.

Isn't this forum a wonderful way to share information about our Birds!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Ralph
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 4:47am
thanks for the response and apologize for not getting back sooner. have had a very busy summer then we came south and have been very busy.
i dont' visit the site very often. i'm going to make a copy of your letter and try to get things done there way, i didn't see any screws there either. i have a couple other problems , one is i don't know how to drain the air tanks for the brakes, don't even know where they are. and we have an antilock brake light that stays on. normaly it would go off after we start down the road a few miles. if you have any insite on either one of these, be happy to hear them, email at regular email..wilson4536@aol.com. we may post these problems on the site to..
thanks again. this is a good place to go, when we remember!!!
there's a bankruptcy auction at bluebird in fort valley, ga. next week end. thurs. oct. 15 and sat. oct. 17 at 10 a.m. alot of stuff there going. 15 new engines and 14 new traansmissions. and awhole lot of manufacturing stuff..sad...also oct. 22 thur. in colton, ga. 4 top-of-the-line wanderlodge vehicles at 11 a.m.
ralph

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm
Ralph, I have found that quite a few coaches with the ABS sensors, their light stays on. Ralph Fullenwider told me that there is a dirty sensor giving a false reading and does not affect the brakes. FYI
As for finding the sensor that is at fault--??

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Subject: Expenses


Author:
Lee
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm
Hello, Years ago 2 family members had Bluebird coaches. I loved them. I am now retired and looking to purchase a used Bluebird. It will be my full time home for the next several years. For several years I've spent about 6 months at a time in a small class A coach. I've found a well maintained FC 35 that I am thinking of purchasing. I'm trying plan for up keep expenses. I'm thinking of putting 10K aside to start and then adding $500.00 a month for upkeep. Will this be enough to keep the coach in good condition? I have adequate funds if more is needed. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:47am
Your budget is adequate, however I recommend focusing on 87 and newer FC's or consider an SP. They are generally more servicable, and that is important. 86 and older tend to be more neglected due to the difficulty of working on the engine.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Lee
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 09, 10:45am
Thank you for the advise. I was looking at a 1983. The photos looked good and the owner said it was well maintained. I took a diesel mechanic friend with me to look at it. It did not look as good when we inspected it. To put in top shape would have required a lot of work. Owner insisted it was in top condition and wanted top dollar. I decided I wasn't interested. Still looking for now.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Bob Maloney (87 fc)
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm
I have a 87 FC for sale in exc cond if interested reply

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Subject: Auto Levelers


Author:
Gary Fisher
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 5:14am
I am looking at a 1977 FC35 that has the controls for levelers but no levelers. Where can I get them and I assume because the controler is there the coach had them at one time.

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[> Subject: Re: Auto Levelers


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 5:14am
Google HWH leveler systems in Iowa, they are the original suppliers and a good company to deal with.

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Subject: diesel/gasser comparison


Author:
Steve Hutter
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 5:57am
I am trying to understand the full difference between a diesel or gasser
wanderlodge of any given year.
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> It seems hard to find much info on the powertrain difference, could any gasser
peeps, give any insight to thier experience with a gasser unit.
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> The area that I can't seem to find any info on at all is the chassis. Other
than the gasser (usually a Ford industrial 391 (I think))Is there any difference
in an FC gasser unit as compared to the diesel. Do they both have the air ride
suspension? Do they both have airbrakes? Are the chassis identical? Do they both
have 22 inch tires? Do both have brake assist system (Maybe not a jake for the
gasser,but a retarder of some sort)? Are there any other difference other than
just the engine?
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> Any info would be great.

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[> Subject: Re: diesel/gasser comparison


Author:
Jerry R
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 5:57am
In all my work looking at BB over the last 3 years I discovered the the rear diesel pushers are built stronger, are easier to work on and will last longer than their gas siblings. The other stuff (retarders, air bags, etc. are about the same. I am so glad I bought diesel (rear pusher NOT FC). I hope to get many years of fun from it. Diesel may cost a little more to maintain but well worth it.

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Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge


Author:
Cliff
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:43pm
I would like to keep the 49-ness of my bus,and also have the newer suspension etc and would like to keep it all BB wonderlodge (will keep the cummins eng) anything in the washington state? thank you for any info/ideas.

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Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge


Author:
Cliff (exited)
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:02pm
I have a 1949 BB wonderlodge. I had been looking for a newer bus and stumbled upon this one. LOVE at first sight. the person i bought it from delivered to my home. on the way the air brakes failed. A big tow truck finished the delivery with minimal damage. I spent summer 08 gutting the interior, as there had been lots of critters calling it home.As i have been looking for parts and such most people don't have any idea what a wonderlodge is. so i am very happy to find groups of people who do know what they are.and that i hope they can give more info and ideas.

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Subject: Aqua Heater


Author:
Bernard Haag (confused)
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Date Posted: 09/ 28/ 09, 7:49pm
I have a 95 PT42 with a aquaheating system on board. Where do I find the switches to start her running on diesel and electric....if so can someone call me on my cell at 605-484-4585 anytime during the day...the fans will run when I place the thermostats on heat and high but there must be an additonal switch for the diesel side of her.....

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Subject: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
A. E. NEWMAN
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am
WHAT TIRE SIZE IS CORRECT FOR 1982 35' FC SIDE BATH?

11R 0R 12R

THANKS

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[> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 09, 8:12am
Either will work....I have a 83 35' FC and I have 12R....but I do believe that the early FCs came from the factory with 11R....12R may give you a more cushie ride.

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[> [> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am
You need to verify the width of your wheels. Typically an 82 will have 7" wide. That won't get it for 12R.
I chose to upgrade to 24" wheels as my 83 had 7". The 11R 24.5 tires, Koni's on the front axle, Gabriels on the rear AND new bushings on the rear axle panard bar greatly improved the road manners of my FC. The panard bars are on both axles, they are mounted above and paralelle with the axle. The bars controll side movement of the body realative to the chassis. Bolts have been known to break and any bird with over 100k miles need's the rear bar inspected.

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Subject: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?


Author:
ken bradbury
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 09, 10:54am
hi, i have a 78 bulebird wanderlodge with a cat 3208.
it has just 4 6v batteries. these are used to start the bus and for the everything in back.

i bought 2 new deep cycle batteries to separate the coach (back lighting and accesories) form the engine starter.

but i dont understand how to isolate these. is there a main 12v fues panel? is it above the driver?

it tried to find one main wire that feeds that panel, but i can,t?

i thought i'd connect my deep cycles to that fuse panel, hmm.

please help.

ken

707 540 1463

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[> Subject: Re: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?


Author:
Bob Griesel
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 09, 10:54am
There is a heavy red (#6) cable running behind the overheads on each side of the bus. This is the interior (coach) power. These cables join at the left front corner of the bus and run down to the battery compartment. Trace this cable run and find a logical place to separate it from the automotive system and connect it to the new batteries instead. Remember to provide a charge for the house batteries. A Schottky charge splitter or combiner relay can be used for this purpose.

Put a disconnect on the automotive batteries so they will be fresh when its time to start the Cat.

I suggest using the 4-6V batteries for the house and a group 31 or a pair of group 24 or 27 batteries to crank the Cat. This will provide more power for the coach and plenty for the Cat.

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Subject: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD


Author:
A. E. NEWMAN
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 09, 8:11am
I WANT TO BUY A 1982 35' FC SB, WITH AIR BAGS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN I DRIVE IT, IT WANDERS ALL OVER THE ROAD, AND HAS WAY TOO MUCH BODY ROLL, YOU THINK IT WILL TURN OVER WHEN YOR DRIVE IT OR MAKE A VERY SLOW CORNER.
WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ANY GROVE IN THE ROAD YOU THINK IT WILL ROLL OVER. THE STEERING IS VERY TIGHT. THE TIRES ARE THE 11R WITH 105 PSI MAX PRESSURE, SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I NEED THE 12R TIRES.
THE COACH IS IN PERFICT CONDITION, BUT I CAN NOT DRIVE IT DOWN THE ROAD.
CAN ANYONE HELP.

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[> Subject: Re: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD


Author:
RM
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 09, 8:11am
Most likely need new shocks. Our improved dramatically (roll & porpoising when the new Koni shocks were put on front)
They are called wanderlodges (ha!) Also seems people tend to oversteer in the beginning. You need to relax on the steering wheel

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Subject: Tire monitoring systems


Author:
Dan B (information overload)
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Date Posted: 09/ 13/ 09, 7:17pm
I'm looking at TPMS and find PressurePro, Doran and Smarttire to be the most common brands advertized. I like the idea of the internally mounted sensors used with the Smarttire system. Does anyone have any experience with these brands that will help me make a decision based on user experiences instead of manufacturer's claims?

DanB
2004 M380
Broussard, Louisiana

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Subject: 87 FC 35 Generator??????


Author:
Bob Maloney
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 09, 12:26pm
I have a 87 FC 35 and the generator will not start from any starting console. The generator is an Onan 8.0 diesel I took the starter off and had it checked, checked out great. I put the starter back on and it still will not start. I then short the solenoid wire to the battery and it would start if was getting the signal from the console. I have since taken apart the console on the generator itself to find the Ford style starter solenoid inside and checked it out and it works fine. The ground side of the solenoid at this point seems to be getting the wrong signal as it should be grounding and in fact has 12 volts to it. The switch side of the solenoid at this point has a little over 8 volts when the starter switch is activated. The generator attempts to start as it should operating the fuel shutoff and finally for lack of a better word times out and either trips the DC output control or the push to reset circuit breaker. From this can someone either tell me what to look for or if at all possible supply me with a schematic. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Maloney
Clay City KY

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Subject: Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC


Author:
Rob Porter
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 09, 5:51am
Looking for a web sight or any input on a price. This unit although not in terrible shape by any means, seems well used for its age. It has 200,000 plus miles. It is at a local dealer. This would be a first moterhome for us as we have had travel trailers in the past, so any input on this model for a first timer would also be apreciated.
Thanks
Rob P

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[> Subject: Re: Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC


Author:
Ted D
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 09, 5:51am
I would offer $20K and wouldn't pay more than $23K. There are many variables that can affect the price (engine hours, gen hours, tires, maint records, heating, cooling, fridge, etc. Good luck and there are no real price guides out there. Don't be in a rush. It took me over a year to find one and there are many owners VERY eager to sell.

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Subject: PT-40 weight


Author:
Cary Burton
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 09, 6:48am
We are looking to purchase a 40' 'Bird but are concerned about the weight on our driveway. Our driveway is 300 ft. long, straight back from the street, looks to be 3.5 to 4 inches of portland cement and in good condition. Do I stand much chance of damaging my driveway by driving the coach onto it?

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[> Subject: Re: PT-40 weight


Author:
Jim T
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 09, 6:48am
You should be fine. The only potential problem may be hairline cracks that may get larger as the coach rolls by. These birds are weighty beasts to go nowhere there is soft ground. Good luck.

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Subject: have extra power steering pump


Author:
don w
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 8:19pm
have extra factory recon power steering pump for 6v92 in 1984 40p would like to sell and also have fan coolant motor for same email if interested will take 650.00 for both

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[> Subject: Re: have extra power steering pump


Author:
Dennis Gaddy
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 8:19pm
is this the power steering pump that mounts to right side of the air compressor or left side. if the right side i may be interested in it

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Subject: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm
We are preparing to take delivery on our new to us Bird and need to know the exterior clearance. Sure don't want to rearrange anything on the roof. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 5:44pm
Hi Pam- Good luck with the new coach! I believe that our 1985 PT40 is around 11'9" at the top of the dash A/C unit. I will usually try to avoid clearances of less than 12'6" due to variations in the ride height, bumps, etc... An easy way to check the clearance is to measure the distance to a fixed limb or garage opening and then pull the coach under the limb or doorway and subtract the distance to the antenna's, A/C unit and roof pods while someone else SLOWLY moves the coach forward. The air bag suspension can be adjusted up or down by several inches- so overall height could vary greatly. The distance from the ground to the bottom of your compartment door behind the front wheel should be around 17" and in front of the drive wheels around 18".

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[> [> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm
Thanks for the info Shane. I will be careful with the low clearances. I had a Class A that looked a little lower then the Bird. My main concern was where I need to park it in the yard when we get it home. Time to get out the pruning saw. And I may have to call the utility company to raise the wires going to the house.

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Subject: Engine wiring diagram


Author:
Stephen Borders
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 8:14am
I am in need of a wiring diagram for a 92 wanderlodge wb40 for the engine controls to include the ignition switch and the rear ignition switch. I have the ddecII diagram but not the bus wiring to the engine.

thanks in advance
Stephen Borders

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Subject: 83 35FC fuel transfer pump location


Author:
Larry Brehmer
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 09, 7:44am
does anyone know where the fuel transfer pump between to the tank and racor is located on an 83 35FC.
I seem to remember someone told me years ago it was on the chassis drivers side rear near the tank. on the frame but I can't locate it.

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Subject: engine durability


Author:
Jeff Rasco (happy as a clam)
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 09, 9:21am
Interested in a mid 90's Wanderlodge. I have noticed that many get an engine rebuild around 100K miles. This seems early for such an engine. Why so early and what is the price range to have that done? Thanks. Jeff

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[> Subject: Re: engine durability


Author:
Bob T
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 09, 9:21am
I have a mid 80's with a Detroit diesel that has 160,000 and doesn't smoke after first puff at startup. When I was looking I was told to stay away from Cat3208 from several people including a couple of excellent lifelong mechanics. The detroit purrs going down the road and if I continue to take care of maintenance I expect it to last another 160K. Good luck.

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Subject: 3208 cat hard to start


Author:
mark DADSON
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 09, 7:11am
Hi folks,

I am looking at buying 1970 Wanderlodge with a 1975 3208 but it seems to be resistiant to starting without ether, once it is going it is fine and the smokes clears up. Alternatively, it starts easily,without smoking if it has been previously plugged in. Seems to me that would be very inconvenient when travelling on the road to have to think about plugging in or using ether. Does anyone know if the starting can be improved with new injectors or is this simply the nature of the beast?

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[> Subject: Re: 3208 cat hard to start


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 09, 7:11am
sounds like your batteries are low since it starts easily while being plugged in.

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Subject: latches to hold grills on cooling radiators -1995 bird


Author:
stan. m
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 09, 6:44am
bodyman ruined latches when removing for bodywork. would like to replace with new ones.latches hold grills over cooling radiators on drivers side on 1995 wanderlodge.

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Subject: Pickup Fuel Pump


Author:
Ken Beeler
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Date Posted: 08/ 7/ 09, 7:23am
I have a 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge...need advice as to where I Please feel free to call....I have several questions and would love to talk to a seasoned birder. Engine stalls at low rpms. Has rebuilt Jasper 3802 with less than 4000 miles runtime. Phone 812-697-0212.

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Subject: Bluebird Magazine.


Author:
Brian Cloke
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Date Posted: 08/ 5/ 09, 8:28pm

Is there such a thing as a Bluebird Magazine ?
Thanks
Brian.

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Subject: '84 side mirror


Author:
Richard Miles
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Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am
looking for a passenger side mirror for an '84 FC.
Only need the glass replacement, the frame is fine.
Would anyone know where to locate one?
Thx, Richard

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[> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Haorld Prescott
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 7:28am
Richard, If you can get the screws out of the mirror itself, the glass can be replaced.

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[> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Richard Miles
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 09, 6:36am
would you know a place for replacement glass?
have been calling around locally with no luck.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am
I would suggest a local glass company. They will have to cut some mirror stock to your spec's.

Harold

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Subject: Warm Welcome


Author:
Jim Walters
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 09, 3:55pm
We have been taking a trip from home to Chicago to visit my oldest daughter and her family and parked at the truck stop at the intersection of 41 and 26 in Oshkosh. Got the Harley out of the trailer and rode over to the EAA. Located the Vintage Birds group and some others randomly parked by themselves. Unfortunately there weren't too many around, they were all at the air show, go figure! But I finally got to meet some other Birders. First met Dorothy Helland and apparently Nancy Brookshire was parked next door. She came over when she heard us talking. Had a great conversation and while we were there John Heck-Man came over. I introduced myself but I think he may have been pre-occupied. Don't think he recalled when I went to check out a Wanderlodge in Angola, IN for him. Too many things going on to remember everything, I'm sure. Anyway, the rains were coming and so we split and went back to the truck stop before we got drowned on the bike. I am sitting here at this moment waiting for the rain to stop and hopefully get over to Camp Scholler again and meet some more Bird owners. The two ladies were a great start to what I believe will be an outstanding experience.
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Subject: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider


Author:
Anita
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 5:12am
approx 2"X1/2" hard plastic type slider/spacer, 4 to each chair, mine have decinegrated/broken where can these be purchased, bluebird equipment for captains chairs

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[> Subject: Re: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 5:12am
Anita, with a lot of these coaches that we have remodeled, some folks use metal washers as spacers. Cheap and easy to find. Ernie

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Subject: For sale birds at OSHKOSH?


Author:
Elliot Harris
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Date Posted: 07/ 23/ 09, 7:33pm
Wondering if any for sale birds will be at Oshkosh? Great chance for wannbees to see 'em.

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Subject: generator starter on 87fc35


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 07/ 20/ 09, 5:07am
does anyone know an easy way to get to the starter on a 87 fc 35
tks bob maloney in ky

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Subject: purchasing vintage Blue Bird


Author:
Pat Karpf
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Date Posted: 07/ 19/ 09, 4:17pm
We are considering the purchase of an early 80's Blue Bird Wander Lodge. Can you give us a quick lesson it valuing?
The NADA shows avg. price approx. 10,000, but I see some listed at 40,000+ and then some at closer to 20,000. How do we know what to offer?
Also, we know it needs some body work (not to bad) but what are other things that may need special attention. This will be our first RV and probably our last. We are retired and will use it for a few years God willing.
We know anything this old requires ongoing maintenance but we would like to not have too many surprises.
Thanks,
Pat

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Subject: starter


Author:
bob maloney (gen starter)
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Date Posted: 07/ 14/ 09, 12:56pm
does anyone know an easy way to get so starter on 87 fc

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Subject: Hot water heater


Author:
Prime Time Coach
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 09, 4:14am
I own a 1985 FC35 that needs a hot water heater. Has any one replaced one. If so where did you get the water heater?

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[> Subject: Re: Hot water heater


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 09, 4:14am
Stephen Birtles 77fc35

http://www.dupreeproducts.com

telephone 888 668 4288
or 905 328 0162

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Subject: hot water heating system


Author:
Mitch
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 09, 10:17am
My friend has a 1983 Wanderlodge he is repairing the hot water system for the domestic water supply. We are wondering if we can get a copy of a "blueprint" or an "as built" which would show the layout and general or specific design of this system. He has a 35 foot model with the Cat 3208 in the front. Unfortunately, the bus was left with water in the system during freeze-up over the winter by the previous owners. The entire system needs repaired potentially, maybe even the ice maker and on-demand hot water heater under the kitchen sink. Thanks for any leads to a visual diagram which shows something similar to his layout.

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[> Subject: Re: hot water heating system


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 09, 10:17am
Most drawings and schematics will be found here;

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/

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Subject: 1980 FC CAT engine replacement


Author:
Dan
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Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 09, 9:07pm
Any tips on the best way to pull the motor and trans would be appreciated.

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Subject: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm
Hi everyone. My question may sound strange, but here it is: Has anyone out there ever seen or known of a Wanderlodge with bunks in it? I'm assuming they would have to be an aftermarket redo. I love my PT35, but it's kind of small for the family. If anybody has ideas, I would appreciate them.

Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
NH Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 6:08pm
There was a 85FC known as "Linda Lou's Lucky 4 Band"

I think it was sold within the past couple of weeks at auction. Was in pretty rough shape. It had been converted to bunks in the back for a family that traveled as a band.

Here is a link to a thread on another forum that was about this coach.

< http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3123&highlight=Bunk+Beds >

NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
Ray (Ray Daugherty)
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm
Thanks Bill. The info is appreciated.

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Subject: fixing 8" well water pvc pipes


Author:
mikeal curtis (inquisitive)
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Date Posted: 06/ 8/ 09, 7:15pm
I have 8" pvc pipes that exploded, full of well water that goes to a new subdivision. what is the best way to repair it for cheap?

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Subject: Oil Pressure gauge


Author:
John O. Rud
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 09, 3:39am
Does anyone know what is the model of the Teleflex oil pressure gauge on a 88 XXV wanderlodge.
Thanks in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Oil Pressure gauge


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 09, 3:39am
The problem may be the oil pressure sensor, If it looks like this oil pressure sensor on the right lower side of this generator, The old Bluebird is #3811254.
I can not find the guage number, will keep looking....

http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/52361795


Call a BB school bus dealer, They will give you the manufacturers # or will sell the part. $ 55.00 four years ago.

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Subject: generator wiring


Author:
william clay (still hopeful)
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Date Posted: 06/ 4/ 09, 1:51pm
Hi again everyone,I had written the question yesterday about the control box wiring,what I forgot to say was,the wiring to the control,was maybe from the remote start system and I did not unhook it,it was unhooked & the genset was also completely removed. So back to the last question about the wiring, can someone tell me which color wire goes on what number terminal....THANKS AGAIN.!!!!!

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Subject: GENERATOR wiring


Author:
bill clay (hopeful)
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Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 7:09pm
Hi everyone, I`m working on an 1983 or 84 bird with a kohler/perkins 12.5 genset,the problem i have now is the wiring to the terminal strip in side the base control box. the terminals on the strip are labeled the problem is the wires to the strip from the remote start switches are not, the unmarked in comimg wires are-purple,brown,blue,green, yellow & black,.if any one can tell me which terminals these go on,I would be very greatful, the print i found was`nt very helpful...THANKS FOR YOUR TIME..

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Subject: Old vs Older!


Author:
Rich Franco
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 09, 10:42am
Hello to all,
I'm going to be in the market for one of these coaches and really the question is: Do I get a sorta new coach, 90's or find an older coach and spend some time and money getting it back in shape? I'm in Orlando, Fl and assume that there are a few places to have the work done, if needed. My range would be $20,000 to $80,000 for this coach. And we might spend a year or so living in it.
Thanks,
Rich

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Mr C.
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 09, 5:49am
I would take my time and look carefully. It took me about a year to find a later 80's coach that was and still is in beautiful shape. These coaches are worth the investment. Have fun but don't rush.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Rich
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Date Posted: 05/ 14/ 09, 12:34pm
Mr. C,
Thanks for the info. Are there any really good years or any bad years I should be aware of? In your opinion, what the best year/motor/size to look for?
Rich

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Mr. C
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Date Posted: 05/ 15/ 09, 7:29am
In my searches I leaned toward 1985 or later. I did not like the FC (forward control/engine up front) models just as a personal preference. The rear pushers seem easier to work on and have more underneath storage. There was a guy in Florida selling an 86 that looked like it was in nice shape. Check Ebay, Craigs list and RV trader. Good luck.

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
happyday09 (happy)
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 09, 11:44pm
Agree with Mr. C. -- go with a diesel pusher, mid-late '80s. You won't find a newer one that's also well maintained in your price range. Friend works with a dealer and reports lots of problems with the newer models. Our '88, previously one owner, is amazing!

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:26pm
Hello,

Busses are very expensive to have worked on, if your looking for simular quality as new. And you can be nickel and dimed to death. If your willing to do much of the work yourself, not so bad. The newer the bus is, the greater the likelyhood that the recent owners still could afford to mainetane that bus...

The difference between a 1980, 1987, 1994 can be as if walking through a time machine. The wiring, for example, is much better thought out in my 1987, than my old 1980. The paint on my 1987 is much nicer than on my 1980, price a quality paint job... But some people really liked the rustic look of the 1980 (but one neighbor hated it!)

A FC will get better fuel economy than a pusher, and have less push and more noise up front. There is more storage in a pusher. But FC's can be smaller, which might be desirable.

This is a buyers market to be sure, more so last summer I suspect, even with the bad economy. Money talks, most "Buyers" are in fact dreamers. You could end up with a hell of a bus at the middle of your price range.

Regards.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 09, 10:42am
I should also add that in my personal experience going from a 1980 FC to a 1987 PT is that service is more involved with the PT. Everything is MUCH larger on a PT from a regular maintenance standpoint(fluid and filters).

Keeping a 3208 serviced is not much different than a powerstroke or cummins on a pick-up truck, but a 92 series detroit is a substantually bigger beast. And is lagistically more involved, so far as adding and removing fluids.

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Subject: Battery System


Author:
Urnie Krueger
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 09, 4:40am
I have a 1983 FC35 and would like to be able to wire the batteries so one is used only to start and run and the others for the house power. It would be nice to get up in the morning and not have to jump start the unit.
I would appreciate it if anyone could send me a wiring diagram.

Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Battery System


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 09, 4:40am
One Battery is not going to start your 3208. If you are running your batteries down at night( I assume you are dry camping)you can start your generator to kick your batteries back up enough to start the engine.

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Subject: transmission


Author:
todd
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:05pm
my 1982 has been sitting awhile now trans wont shift out of first gear is there any valves or soleniods that get stuck thanks

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[> Subject: Re: transmission


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:05pm
Hello,

Verify with a partner that the shifter does in fact move the shift lever on the transmission; this slipped on my FC 1980 at the transmission. Both levers have detents for the same number of selections; after you've played with it a bit it becomes fairly easy to tell if your in the correct notch or not.

Hopefully it is something as simple as that. Low fluid, contamination maybe, or perhaps something broke. Is this a problem that worsend over time or occured with a bang, or the bus sat for years. A service manual could be a good starting place.

Regards.

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Subject: Radiator or radiator core


Author:
happpyday09 (happy)
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 09, 11:48pm
Any suggestions on where to find a radiator for an '88 Bird 8v92 Detroit pusher? An OEM part number would help. Thanks!

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Subject: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 6/ 09, 10:28am
Hi all,

My 2 foot stack of manuals is missing the page that tells me what the front air leveling valve is. I know that their are two simular (same?)in the back, but the one up front is leaking badly. Can anyone tell me what part this should be? Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Don
1987 PT-40
Beaverton, Oreong

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[> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 19/ 09, 5:40am
Our 88 FC has two height or leveling valves in the rear and one up front, This part works for us and is probably the same,
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1272546788.1237466239@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadegkgheddfcfkmcgfmdfoldflm.0&oid=149814

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 19/ 09, 5:44am
You may want to order a few PPV valves they leak around the housing, there are atleast two, or three or maybe four on your Bird.
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1272546788.1237466239@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadegkgheddfcfkmcgfmdfoldflm.0&oid=48389

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 6/ 09, 10:28am
Bill,

Thanks for the help, I purchased 3. Took about 1-1/2 hours to replace the valve up front, messy, but straight forward enough. A shop could probably get in done in an hour including paperwork if you handed them the part. Level height stayed the same and the bus will sit level overnight now. $30 each on ebay.

Regards, Don

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Subject: air operated oil fill....


Author:
william (joyful &learning)
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 09, 10:22am
does anyone know how the air powered oil fill system works and or what it is suppose to do? I can`t find anything in the books we have about it...

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[> Subject: Re: air operated oil fill....


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 3:39pm
The bulk oil system uses air and oil. The oil is added to the reservoir by the propane tank. You dial the amount of quarts to add to the crankcase and it is supposed to deliver that amount. I had one on my FC and never used it, as I did not know if the previous owner did not keep it clean and I did not want to dump some nasty stuff in the engine. I always just looked at the dipstick and take the oil inside. Of course, the system was designed to keep oil spills off your carpet. My current PT does not have that.

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[> Subject: Re: air operated oil fill....


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 09, 10:22am
On my 1990 PT40 the switch added air pressure to the oil tank allowing you to use the metered hand held nozzle to add oil to the engine oil fill. On my 1999 LXi43, the filler is plumbed to the engine oil fill. Simply (after activating the pressure switch) push the button to add engine oil.

If you are in doubt of what is in the oil reservoir, open it up when there is no air pressure and shine a bright light into it. You should see clean oil or, as Ernie says, don't use it.

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Subject: A/T switch


Author:
william (learning the bird one switch at a time)
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 7:39am
I`m working on this 1983 bird for my boss,he had just bought it,(needs alot of repairing).the operator manuel shows the dash lay out,and the switch on the upper r/h side of the dash says-(A/T),the manuel says this is the-A/T switch~~~~~DUHHH~~~,Maybe i`m just having a bad day,but does anyone know what this switch is to control. THANKS for any answers...

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[> Subject: Re: A/T switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 4:24am
Anti-theft,
It opens the ignition circuit

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[> [> Subject: Re: A/T switch


Author:
william (happy & learning)
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 7:39am
THANKS Bill,I didnt think of that,now can you answer the one about the (air operated bulk oil system?) or do you know anyone who can?/ THANKS again!!

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Subject: need an engine compartment (view of one all together)


Author:
william clay (head ache,but hopeful)
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 09, 7:56am
HI all,Ive been working on this 1983 wanderlodge (3208 w/turbo).Its not mine,it was a basket case,wouldnt run etc,,.{got it running!!!!).I need a picture looking down on the engine to see where all the stuff mounts.It has the square type air cleaner(it was also missing) its coming along but to slow for me.... any photos would be a great help

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[> Subject: Re: need an engine compartment (view of one all together)


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 09, 7:56am
Lots of pictures at this site.

http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/40166049

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Subject: BB,bulk oiler, plumbing & purpose..??


Author:
william clay (getting to know the bird~~~new to bird camper)
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Date Posted: 04/ 30/ 09, 4:57pm
I`ve been working on a 1983 wander lodge w/a 3208-turbo (getting it to run)-etc,, an does anyone know how the bulk oil is plumbed up and what is it`s purpose?? I think its mounted on the left side infront of the propane tank .. If any one can answer this, i`ll say I learned something today.. & I have some more questions...

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Subject: 1983 PT35


Author:
Ray Daugherty
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 8:05pm
Hello. I recently purchased a 1983 PT35. The reason for my post is that no matter how hard I try, I cannot locate any info on a 35 ft. PT. All the info I come across indicates 36 and 40 ft. lengths. I am very happy with the coach, has a few minor problems, but we really enjoy it.

Thanks, Ray Daugherty

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 PT35


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 2:35pm
Ray, If you look in the history section under model changes, it shows `83 PT's in 35' 38' and 40' but when you look at the pictures it shows a PT 36, I think that is one of those cases where the actual length was in between and sometimes it got called a 35' and sometimes a 36'. Maybe somebody else will jump in with more info. I have a FC 31 and it measures 30'10"
Dave,
Mesa AZ
1980 FC31 SB

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1983 PT35


Author:
Ray Daugherty (Ray Daugherty)
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 8:05pm
Thanks for the help Dave. I looked at that section and it helped out. I appreciate your response. Happy motoring!

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Subject: Vertical clearance


Author:
Earl (happy)
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 09, 9:46am
Does anyone know the vertical clearance required for the Bluebird 1987 pusher and the 1987 forward control coaches?

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[> Subject: Re: Vertical clearance


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 09, 9:46am
A safe number would be 12 1/2 to 13 feet

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Subject: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
rtpn60
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Date Posted: 04/ 3/ 09, 8:02pm
I was looking at the limited room in my old 78FC35 for batteries. The original location is pretty good for the four 6v batteries in series-parallel, well vented easy access, and not a bad deep cycle "house" bank. But I want a seperate starting battery too. The area under the passenger side looks like a good place for an 8D starting battery and is located right next to the starter, and would still leave storage room for windshield washer fluid, and spare oils & anti-freeze.

The inverter mounted under the drivers couch would be a short run to the deep cycle batteries and keep my very expensive ProSine 2000 clean, dry, and safe. The only other bays I have is one under the kitchen with the old chargers, and one on each rear side of the bedroom. So my options are limited.

BUT, I do have some "extra" space between the holding tanks and front wheel on the drivers side and between the entry door and propane tank on the passengers side. Just needs an access door installed and I could expand my deep cycle bank if needed. OR I could use a couple of 12 volt starting batteries in the original 4x 6v bay under the drivers seat and put the 8D in the new location to free up the front passenger bay for the Prosine?

My only other variable is that i'm adding a Jacobs Retarder and it can draw up to 275 amps. On the school bus I'm removing this from it has a dedicated 8d battery and uses another 8d for starting with a 160 amp alternator. I'm wondering why they didn't just share the starter battery? Could be for longevity as maybe this large continous load can shorten the life of a starting battery? Could I run this from my house bank while in motion? Or should I also install another 8d in one of my new found spaces to copy the original school bus design? The small bay under the kitchen that housed the old chargers could be a dedicated batter bank for the retarder? Being mounted in the middle of the drive shafts the run wouldn't be too long.

Looking for other thoughts and opinions to see if I'm missing anything here? If 2 heads are better than one then this should be a real Picaso when completed!

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 09, 8:22am
Mike,
I don't know if you have a Redi-Line generator in the passenger side front compartment like I do, but I just read in the Redi-Line manual a few minutes ago that Batteries should NOT be mounted in the same compartment.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 10:45pm
No Dave I do not. They put those in after my 78 was built. The only thing in there now is a resevior for the windshield washer (that doesn't work) so I'm pondering what to do in that bay. The starter is about 12 inches from the bay so it seems a good place for a starting battery. Then use the normal battery spot for the house deep cycle batteries.

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
mike hohnstein
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Date Posted: 02/ 8/ 09, 7:35am
I have an 8D in the road side front, 4 6v AGMs and the Heart inverter/charger in the battery boiler bay and two Optima 12v on the gen set tray. They are all tied together going down the road, a battery combiner solinoid seperates the 8D when the ignition is off.
The original 'bird set up was only 4 6v and the retarder operated OK. Make sure you have lots of grounds, I cannot over emphisize the need for effective grounds, lots of them.
Last summer, I lost the ground path to the AGMs and the alternator went to 16 volts, not good at all. I had to unhook the alternator cable and run on the gen set to make it home. Turned out the faulty cable was @ the original battery box, wasn't easy to see. Cleaned up the connection and all was good. Of course this was after I replaced the two hundred dollar LeeceNeville voltage regulator.
Watch All the grounds my friend.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 7:39am
Thanx Mike. So you're not using your factory battery trays under the drivers seat or is that different on an '83? I'm thinking of the same arrangement but in diffenerent locations. Are you happy with the 4-6v battery setup for house? Do you boondock often?

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Mitchell
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Date Posted: 04/ 3/ 09, 8:02pm
You should keep in mind that batteries often "leak" while being charged. If one battery is weaker than the others it may cause the alternator to over charge the others causing a boil over. Just be careful as to where you install them, consider where it "might" leak into. Just food for thought.........Bro ;}

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Subject: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:49pm
does anyone have # for wanderlodge parts or service the ones ive got just give a busy signal 24/7. also does anyone have those lock down knobs that hold the monitor panel down above front of driver on 1985 wanderlodge and what years did they use this style i would like to put back together original if not im open to sugestions thanks

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[> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 03/ 11/ 09, 5:30pm
Mike,
Apparently you haven't heard the sad news.
Blue Bird is shut down.
There have been notices on this and other forums.
For your question, I don't have an answer for you but I'm sure if you ask in on the Wanderlodge Owners Group forum, (link on previous page) you WILL get an answer in a short time.
You will probably get an answer here too but things seem to happen faster on W.O.G. Many of us belong to both and to other forums too.
With the factory gone these forums are all we have to get information and help one another.
Dave

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[> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:38pm
Dave im so sorry for all to hear this my heart sunk while reading your replie, it seems that with all these gov bailouts and business incentives something could be done. ive always believed that if there is a will there is a way but maybe those involved just lost there will, it would be easy during trying times as these. there are more resources than just banks grants are given for these cases but one has to know where to go and how to write it also. im just a construction worker in the nuclear industry if ive learned nothing else is 1 can make a dif! but the true strength is in numbers!!!!!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:48pm
i found the latch not shure of size will contact co the latch is a pawl style compression latch and below is the copied description of the product on ebay i will send link in next msg so just copy from lft to right and down and paste in address bar then enter hope this helps someone

SOUTHCO ADJUSTABLE COMPRESSION LATCH 16-10-311-14

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:49pm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SOUTHCO-ADJUSTABLE-COMPRESSION-LATCH-16-10-311-14_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ170178782697QQptZMotorsQ5fRVQ5fTrailerQ5fCamperQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

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Subject: couch for bluebird


Author:
Betty Smith
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 6:26pm
I have looked everywhere for a new couch for our 1988 motorhome and cannot find any sites for the kind of couch that was put in them. I find the Jacknife sofas, and possibly they fit. Does anyone know where I can look or would the cost be about the same to have it reupholstered. Thanks Betty

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[> Subject: Re: couch for bluebird


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 6:26pm
We just had our couch recovered. It is similar to the one you described. There are no couches on the market that will work if yopu have the heaters under the sofa. The entire couch can be disassembled and removed in pieces. If you send me your email I will send you some pictures of our sofa.

Bruce
birdshill123@yahoo.com

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Subject: fan motor bb98 w 500detriot


Author:
jack gallagher (desperate)
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 3:21pm
desperatly need fan motot for 1998 BB wander detroit 500hp engine..if u have one dont hesitate to call me 254 934 2525.bb parts not yet avaiable i tried. any sugesttions greatly appreciated

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[> Subject: Re: fan motor bb98 w 500detriot


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 3:21pm
Have you tried a school bus supply parts house?

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Subject: 87 BB 35'


Author:
Dan Sullivan
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Date Posted: 03/ 6/ 09, 10:50am
Looking for A driver side windshield installed around Houston.

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Subject: Windshield Moter Question


Author:
Steve Purdy
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 09, 2:22pm
I have a 1994 BB BMC 37' The windshield moter on the drivers side has quit working. Are these units seperately fused? Are they connected by a rod to one moter that may of fell off or are they seperate moters? Is there a place to purchase them still or are they pretty much standard like school buses?
Thank you in advance

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Subject: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
Tommy Rountree (Urgent)
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 4:21pm
All:

I know that rumors have abounded over the last several weeks concerning the demise of BB and Coachworks and from what I have read on this group and others that the "end" has arrived. There is a wealth of information in the possession of CCW that could be in danger of being lost forever. Those of us who have BB coaches are represented by three strong groups: Vintage Birds, Wanderlodge Owners Group and Wanderlodge Owners On-Line.
The members of these three groups represent hundreds of talented individuals from all walks of life. It seems to me that the time has arrived for everyone to come together and try to put together a unified group to attempt to acquire the data and make it available for all of us.
We may have only one chance to obtain and preserve the wealth of information that exists somewhere between Ft. Valley and Riverside.

What do you say, folks - that we collective start getting together a group to approach CCW's creditors, bankers, liquidators, etc. to try to preserve this information?

Three catastropic things could happen if we do nothing: 1) Some company will buy the BB name and assets (whatever they are) and produce an inferior product. 2) Somebody will obtain the data and profit from it at our collective expense. Or, 3) some liquidator will come in and destroy forever almost 40 years of knowledge that could be available for everyone to use for years to come.
__________________
Tommy
1994 WLWB 40
FMCA #31522

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[> Subject: Re: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 10:08am
The wanderlodgeforum.org has 1500+ members. I guess you could call that a significant number of owners and wannabees?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
tommy rountree
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 4:21pm
Ernie I have posted now on all four groups - if there are any more out there, let me know.

Tommy in Alabama
1994 40' WLWB
FMCA # F31522

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Subject: slide seal for M380 Bird 2003 model


Author:
Jamie Erwin
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 09, 6:04am
does anyone know where I can purchase a seal for the galley slide on a 2003 Bluebird M380? or does anyone know who makes these seals, they are not HWH seals Thanks in advance.

Jamie Erwin

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[> Subject: Re: slide seal for M380 Bird 2003 model


Author:
wayne (driven)
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 09, 6:04am
Hi Jamie, the air seals are supposed to be made by Bottoms & Associates and they are located in Georgia. They are still in business and the seals are available. Supposedly HWH also makes a seal to the same specs that could be used.
Jamie, how long have you had your M380 and how do you like it? I am looking at coachs and that model is one I was thinking about.
Wayne

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Subject: cat belt conversion


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 02/ 18/ 09, 1:59pm
1985 FC 3208 cat turbo, does someone make a serpentine belt conversion for our older cats, seems would be more reliable but maybe not cost worthy.appreciate any input. mike.

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Subject: water lines


Author:
mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 9:10pm
hi everyone, i just want to thank ernie for the input the jacks work fine since topping off it still leaks but havent gotten under yet. anyways in trying to save a buck i never hooked up electric last winter and didnt drain system well weve got a leaker now ive got the accumulater that broke under the single bed drivers side and also broke the large filter under the kitchen sink i talked to bb last yr and they said would try and find and never called back and i havent been able to find on net either its about maybe 18 inches tall and has a 45 fiting at top and bottom. if anyone knows where to get these items i would appreciate i spliced it with water line i still have leaks but ill just hav to track down 1 at time mike(miami ok) nukelabor@yahoo.com cl #918-320-1464

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[> Subject: Re: water lines


Author:
Darrell Hicks (Southky)
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Date Posted: 02/ 11/ 09, 11:33pm
Recently purchased 88 fc from Tenn Rv . I Believe quite possibly that unit was not winterized correctly because of two leaks already found . While filling with fuel a quite large amount of water came out from bottom of coach in the area you described, but because of the weather have not had a chance to pinpoint. In the next few days I hope I have a chance to examine where water came from. In any case, if you find out anything else about replacement, or a fix, it would be greatly appreciated to send me info, or maybe I could call you if ok. Thanks Darrell

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[> Subject: Re: water lines


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 5:25am
Most of these accumulators have been bypassed. mine does not work and do just fine without it. Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: water lines


Author:
mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 9:10pm
thg accumulator has an air valve was its original purpose to pressurize lines to flush, thats all i can think of also if not need then it would be a good place to replace qith a good filter. do u have any suggestions as to a preferred filter. i believe there is the original manuals for my unit but i cant find them at this time the coach has been in dry dock so to speak last couple yrs as my dad had a return battle with cancer, he has just finished his final course of chemo and has done well plus hes 87 we all have been amazed. anyway im ready to try and get back on course i love this rig and am eager to get her back in use my next biggie is replace the dry rotted michelin on back its a shame cause they still have full tread but cracked bad. u haven't lived until you have a front tire blow out on you actually dissintegrate thank god for all those belts the rim never touched the ground. mike

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Subject: Water Heater Element


Author:
Dave Ward
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 3:41pm
I need to replace the electric heating element in the water heater of my 1980 FC-31.
Nameplate says Raritan Engineering, Millville, N.J.
It is a 1250 watt element, looks fairly normal but is old style 4 bolt mounting rather than screw in element. Any help appreciated.
Dave
VB-1508
1980 FC-31

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[> Subject: Re: Water Heater Element


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 8:33am
Hey Dave, so you found out the element was bad? I think Raritan Engineering is no more? I ended up replacing mine with a Kuuma Products 11 gallon water heater from Randy Dupree at www.dupreeproducts.com for about $242 plus $55 shipping to Mesa.

It's almost a direct replacement but due to mounting issues it interfers with my 50amp power receptacle. I'd really like to keep it in the recessed space but am considering raising the bed 1/2" so the water heater can be adjusted anywhere under the bed to accomodate easier plumbing.

I'll have the bus over at the house this Wed & Thur if you'd like to stop by, Camino & Santa Barbara.

Cheers,

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[> [> Subject: Re: Water Heater Element


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 3:41pm
Mike,
I found a web site for Raritan and I can buy the element direct from them but am going to see if there is anyplace that has it locally before I order it.
I did get a reply from John Finn on the other board saying that Dupree products is a Raritan dealer.
I'll definitely try to come by while you have the coach at the house.
Dave

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Subject: leveling jacks


Author:
mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:22pm
hi everyone, ive got a 1985 35fc rb, could someone advise me as to what type of oil is used in the jack system and how full is reservoir to be filled and also is there a rebuild kit for jacks as 1 is leaking but still works but all will not extend far before recycling im assuming because of low fluids but not shure.

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


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Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:47am
Mike, transmission fluid is in your hydraulic system. Retract the jacks, and fill the tank. The tank does not have to be full. Is the jack or the actuator leaking? Ernie-83PT40 in Texas

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[> [> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:22pm
ernie, thanks for the reply in reference to the leak i havent isolated it other than its the drivers rear leaves puddle. i believe the cause was my fault as i drove bb for about 150 mile before noticing i had not turned of jack pump switch and levers were all in retract position if trans fluid what type should be used dexron 3 seems most common

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Subject: BMC 1994 Hydraulic jacks


Author:
Steve Purdy
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 12:43pm
Couple of questions about a 1994 BMC Bluebird 37.5 ft. I just purchased the unit with 43,000 miles with a 8.3L turbocharged diesel. Unit had been sitting for a few years
1. ECU on the transmission is bad. Are there any used parts suppliers for these
2. Brakes will not build up pressure to unlock parking brake. Compressor is working. Any suggestions
3.Cannot get the hydraulic jacks to operate No power to control panel from what I can tell. Are they fused<
4, And lastly it has a combo washer/dryer splendid model and I can't figure out how to open the door.
Unit was inherated to the person I purchased it so he has no information of the unit. I have always wanted one and this was one way I could do the work and enjoy the benefits. I am mechanically inclines just need some guidance on where to go from here.
Thank You for your time,

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Subject: general


Author:
CARY BROOKS
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 09, 2:15pm
Hi guys, I'm a 1st time poster, but I've follow this site for a number of years. I'm in the market for a coach (3-5 years)& I've decided on a Bluebird. I even have my wife on board with the whole idea! But my questions are many. I have looked at the coaches for years and I'm pretty familar with years, models, powertrains etc. My budget has me in a mid to late 80's coach. Problem ONE is, I've never driven one. I grew up with a Newell (please don't hate me it was an awesome bus) in our family, and was bitten by the coach bug at a very early age. I'm very certain I can handle one; But would really like to drive one to know what I'm in for. Secondly, I would really like to hear some thoughts on what I should be looking for in a coach. Far beyond "Clean inside & out" and "only driven on Sundays to church and back". I mean questions like, Cat VS Detroit, 8V92 VS 6V92, Allison VS Zf trans. I undersatnd that the year and model will have a great deal to do with powertrain combo's.I've been thru "Buzzy's checklist" which is helpful. But are there any combo's that are an "Ideal" set up in the rigs? What I'm hoping to find is a PT40. Any thoughts would be a great help. I have lot's and lot's of questions; Hope it will be OK to pick everyone's thoughts.
I've noticed that none of these bad boys have spare tires.?
So..... Whattya do? I'm all over the tire maintenance thing; but you're in Hells Half Acre and you lose a tire.
Looking forward to hearing some thoughts Cary Brooks Valparaiso IN

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[> Subject: Re: general


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 2/ 09, 3:30pm
Cary, the first thing to look for in a perspective coach is mileage. If it has low miles and is 20 years old, that may be a problem. Second I would look at if there are any body fluids leaking on the ground. 6v's- which I have a PT40 is underpowered. I can live with that. 8v's are more powerful and can pull hills without downshifting. BMC's are nice, also but were built in the 90s.
AS for a blowout- get Coachnet roadside assistance. It is available from around $125+ a year. Money well spent. Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: general


Author:
CARY BROOKS
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Date Posted: 02/ 2/ 09, 4:41pm
Ernie, Thanks for the input. Not real sure what the BMC is. I've seen them for sale labled as Bluebirds but I noticed they are built on a Spartan chasis, and they don't look like a Wanderlodge. Were these a "budget coach" line? I've also noticed alot of Wanderlodges for sale that show rebuilt or replaced powerplants, but the total mileage on the coach in most cases is under 150K miles. It has me a bit suspicious; I've always heard that diesel engines were barely "broken-in" until 200k miles. Could it be a sign of neglect/abuse? Thanks in advance, Cary

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: general


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 09, 2:15pm
The BMC's were introduced as the "affordable" way to own a Wanderlodge. They are built just as well, not as many features, but on a Spartan chassis. I would not hesitate a bit to own one of these.As to the powerplants. Yes, with more hours and days of just sitting, things deteriorate rather quickly.

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Subject: Power steering pump (How do you check fluid level)


Author:
Joseph Smith
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 9:05pm
I have a 1979 wanderlodge with 67000 miles on it and have never checked the power steering fluid, Does anyone know how and where to check it? It has the Cat.3208 turbo diesel.

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[> Subject: Re: Power steering pump (How do you check fluid level)


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 9:54am
Joe,
The PS reservoir is a can mounted above the engine in the doghouse. In my 1980 3208 NA it is just left of the latch at the back of the hood when opened. Looks like an oil filter can in a real old car before spin on filters. There is a hex head on the top that is the dip stick.
Dave
1980 FC 31
VB1508

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[> [> Subject: Re: Power steering pump (How do you check fluid level)


Author:
joseph
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 8:29pm
Thank you, It was sitting in front of me the whole time, I thought it was something to do with the oil.Thanks again..Joseph

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Power steering pump (How do you check fluid level)


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 9:05pm
Don't feel bad, I thought the same thing myself for quite awhile `til I started tracing lines.
Dave

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Subject: Rallys for 2009


Author:
Al Scudder (Lookin for a party)
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 10:13am
Can anyboby email a list of rallys that are planned for Vintage Birds for 2009 Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Rallys for 2009


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 10:06am
Good idea Al, I'd like to see a list too. Maybe it could be posted on the website and/or included in the next newsletter.
Dave
1980 FC31
VB1508

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[> [> Subject: Re: Rallys for 2009


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 01/ 31/ 09, 10:13am
Give me an e-mail and I can send a picture.
Dave

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Subject: Mileage Question


Author:
Steve
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Date Posted: 01/ 30/ 09, 7:14pm
Can anyone tell me the aproximate mileage to expect from a Cummins 300 hp 8.3 liter turbo charged diesal 1994 37 ft Blubird Wanderlodge. It has an allison trans with 43.000 miles

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Subject: no heat at chassy


Author:
gene (good)
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Date Posted: 01/ 30/ 09, 12:30pm
both valves at hot water tank and heater system have power when i switch from summer to winter at dash like there meant to work. how do know the valve to heat is opining. It is cold in the coach and system doesent
work. Is there a way you can turn on the valve for the coach heat manealy. Is there a way to check If the valves are good or are working. thanks gene

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[> Subject: Re: no heat at chassy


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 09, 5:32am
Gene, what year and type coach do you have? It would help to know that to help and troubleshoot your problem better. My 83PT40 has 4 valves and they must be all on. In some instances, the handle turns but the insides of the valve have remained in the closed position. Hope to heasr from you, Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: no heat at chassy


Author:
GENE
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 09, 7:00am
Ernie, The coach is a 82 FC33 all valves are open at the motor,valve at hot water tank is open and has power when switch is on summer.When I go to winter position I have power to chassis heat valve but heaters dont get hot.Both valves are in rear of coach under the bed.The to lines that feed the system are hot the return line is cold.Can you manually open the valve? how do they work? thanks gene

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: no heat at chassy


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 30/ 09, 6:53am
THere should be maybe two or more red handled gage valves
under the bus near the engine in the coolant lines.
These need to be open, If you have a Winter/Summer switch in the cockpit, there are several Sporlan valves ( electric solenoid valves) These valves are troublesome and need to be rebuilt (not a difficult job). The trick is to find them under the bus. One may be up front between the first chassis heater and the first gate valve , one in the rear near the last chassis heater and hot water tank plumbing

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: no heat at chassy


Author:
GENE
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Date Posted: 01/ 30/ 09, 9:09am
THANKS BILL,All gate valves are open I have located the sporlan valves. One up front two in back in the worst possible locations. The boys at the factory im sure chuckled while installing the valves. Thanks Gene

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: no heat at chassy


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 30/ 09, 12:30pm
Gene:
Stephen Birtles has the Sporlan valve repair Kits.

888 668 4288
Or go to dupreeproducts.com
Stephen 77 fc 35

Also there is lots of info on this chassis heating issue at this web site
http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/

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Subject: tire replacemt; balancing??


Author:
Mel Mellinger
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 09, 9:38am
I'm replacing 6 tires on my '85 PT36--4 drives and 2 tags are yr 2000 & 2004--I'm getting mixed information from tire folks re whether or not balancing is required for the drive and tags; anyone here with experience that can advise ?

Mel Mellinger

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[> Subject: Re: tire replacemt; balancing??


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 08, 5:18am
Most folks just use the balancing on their steer tires.

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[> Subject: Re: tire replacemt; balancing??


Author:
ed leamon
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 09, 9:38am
have had many tire changed on my 85 pt36 with bags added at the time the tires were put on every thing is smooooth the balance bags are cheap and used by many truckers good luck

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Subject: Bluebird Paint


Author:
Don Meyer (sanding,sanding,sanding!!!)
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 09, 1:07pm
Hello fellow Bird owners,

I have a 1986 PT38. I am prepping it for some paint work. Does anyone know where the best place to buy original BB colors from. I have the Dupont numbers, but would like to buy from a supplier that is familiar with BB/Dupont paint codes.

Thanks,
Don Meyer

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Subject: 79 FC35 XV SB on board safe location


Author:
Dan Rowell
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 09, 6:36am
As a new BB owner,I have studied all of the past entries to this site. Can anyone tell me the location of the on-board safe if my 79 FC35 XV SB had this option? thanks Dan R

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[> Subject: Re: 79 FC35 XV SB on board safe location


Author:
keith carpenter
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Date Posted: 01/ 14/ 09, 6:43pm
yes I had a 79 xv it is located on the left side of the entry steps as you enter open the door and it should be there

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[> [> Subject: Re: 79 FC35 XV SB on board safe location


Author:
Dan Rowell
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Date Posted: 01/ 15/ 09, 10:36am
Keith, thanks for the info. I guess mine doesn't have that option. The only thing in that compartment on mine is the shore power switchbox. thanks again for the reply,Dan R

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[> Subject: Re: 79 FC35 XV SB on board safe location


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 09, 6:34am
the safe in my 79 was under the forward ding tabe seat

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[> [> Subject: Re: 79 FC35 XV SB on board safe location


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 09, 6:36am
DINING got hang over my speller is not working

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Subject: Insurance


Author:
Lionel Fram
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Date Posted: 01/ 22/ 09, 9:49am
I could use some ideas on insurance Please I am not full time but would like to be down the road Thank you

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance


Author:
Tommy in Alabama (good choice)
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 09, 3:19am
Lionel: My choice is Progressive which was recommended by my carrier USAA. Haven't had a claim and hope I don't but reasonably priced for the coverage.

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 09, 6:07pm
We use Foremost. Have the fulltimer rider. Cost $700 per year.

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 22/ 09, 9:49am
There could be significant ranges in price based on location, State, County Etc.Then coverage limits and contents covered, Then payment plan discounts for full payment up-front.

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Subject: floor plan


Author:
Larry Orr
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Date Posted: 01/ 18/ 09, 11:29am
Trying to find out the floor plan name for a 1986 35' FC 250 Cat Wanderlodge. It has the rear queen corner bed. I am trying to sell it and can't find the model number in NADA. 1-800-594-9043. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: floor plan


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 01/ 18/ 09, 11:29am
Larry,
I wonder if that is what N.A.D.A. is calling the 34 1/2 in the 1986 Model? If it is I think what you have is the M-34 1/2-SB (Side Bath).
Other than that it is a mystery to me, the History Page on this Forum does show a 1986 FC-35-SB.

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Subject: Wanderlodge floor plan model name


Author:
Larry Orr
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Date Posted: 01/ 17/ 09, 10:48am
I am trying to sell a 1986 Wanderlodge and it is the front engine 250 Cat and 35'. Can you tell me what the floor plan number is called? The NADA does not have this model it seems. Thank you.

Larry Orr
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Subject: Wanderlodge repair


Author:
David lean
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 09, 6:10pm
Can anyone recommend a great mechanic in the Wisconsin area ?

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge repair


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 09, 6:10pm
Hello there. Mike Hohhnstein here, I may be able to help you in you Wanderlodge adventure. I have a 83 FC that I restored and have bought and sold a few FC's over the years.
I'm familiar with all the challenges.
Feel free to call @ 414 303 7079 or email mhohnstein@wi.rr.com or web site; AutoTransDesign.com
I'm in Germantown, northwest of Milwaukee.

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Subject: Aquired 1967 WanderLodge


Author:
jasperalden
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 08, 3:26pm
Hello people, I finally got my hands on this Blue Bird, it's a 1967 with a retrofitted 6V53 Detroit up front. It needs some cosmetic attention. I would like to obtain info on where to find model numbers and stuff like that. Your help will be extremely helpful. I plan for this "ride" to be my retirement home, I'm gonna see America and go to Alaska.

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[> Subject: Re: Aquired 1967 WanderLodge


Author:
gregory (Parts)
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 08, 3:26pm
i have a restored 1968 bird, I am looking for windshield wiper motors have any info you may share? If you have any questions for me please email i will try to advise.
thanks and good luck with the restoration

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Subject: paint codes for '82 brown paint scheme


Author:
John C
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 08, 5:34am
Does anyone know the paint codes for the brown paint scheme on a 1982 Lodge? The colors are the root beer metallic brown, cream and some striping colors.

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[> Subject: Re: paint codes for '82 brown paint scheme


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 08, 5:34am
Lee Condosta knows about paint. His email is lcondosta@hotmail.com

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Subject: Engine Swap


Author:
Rob Robinson
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Date Posted: 12/ 17/ 08, 7:26am
Randy Dupree and his buddy Woody have taken on a major project. Two days ago they began an engine and tranny transplant on Woody's 1990 Bluebird Wanderlodge SP. The original 300hp Turbo CAT 3208 and ZF tranny are being swapped out for a 300hp Turbo Cummins 8.3 and 6 speed Allison trannny. Work began at 1030am Monday and by 3pm they had the engine and tranny out. It would have been out earlier if they hadn't stopped to argue how best to do it. This project will require serious fabrication including new designs for exhaust, motor mounts, radiator mounting etc to accomodate an engine that is 8 inches longer than the original. Pictures and write-up are available now at

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2063

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Subject: ignition


Author:
Richard Carter
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 08, 10:30am
Hi all, Rich here from decatur, Il., have a 89WB40' with an ignition problem, don't have the drawing, but looking for the rear igntion box, thought problem was the ignition , that checked out OK, any ideas welcome.

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[> Subject: Re: ignition


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 08, 10:55am
More info needed. Does it turn over, is it making any smoke. What is the color of the smoke, mostly black, mostly white? Have you lost your prime, this time of year, leaves can get sucked into the air filter and you'll crap when you see the black smoke and have only about 75 hp of power. Could be your engine cpu too. Keep it simple first. Does it turn over, ug. No smoke no fuel, ug. Lots of smoke no run, can it breath, ug. Has your emergency shutdown device been activated, how obout your A/T anti theft switch on the dash, did a kid flip it. Still suspect the rear ignition switch, a know problem, but only if it turnes over w/o smoke, or runs only if held in the start position. Once you've gone over these basics, then move on to your engine CPU, gulp!

Don

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[> [> Subject: Re: ignition


Author:
Richard Carter
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Date Posted: 12/ 13/ 08, 10:09am
I can start the coach from the back ignition, not the front, going to replace the switch in front--Pollak #31-158-100, nolonger available, can it be one of the continuous solianod going to the starter, from the back ignition everything sounds good

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: ignition


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 08, 10:30am
The problem may be in that rear switch box. Mine would not start from front and come to find out there was something wrong with back box. You might take that apart and see what might be wrong.

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Subject: Generator


Author:
dctrcarter
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 08, 10:31am
Just replaced 12.5Kvw in my 1989 WLWB, it wasn't bad to do, just like the book say, any way tryed to start an some rely has kicked in cause it will not start from any of the three generator starter switch. Motoer stared the first time I try it, but shut of real quite, Switch would not work after that first time, thats why I think I've burned out a solanald or kicked rely out. Anyone with ideal on how to get this thing running again.

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[> Subject: Re: Generator


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 08, 10:31am
If it runs while you hold the run switch in the start position, it is likely the voltage regulator on the gen head. When you start the genset the relays are activated with battery power, when you release the switch the gen head dc power now holds the relays. If all is well...

The round barrel connectors with many pins can get corroded (use deoxit), sometimes when you couple those connectors, some of the pins are pushed out of the way and end up being real iffy.

Don

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Subject: appliances are dying


Author:
Phil Rogers
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 08, 10:23am
I have an 88 FC side bath model. Recently something has killed the bedroom tv, the micro/conv oven, and a vcr/dvd player that was hooked to the front tv. Can not find anything else wrong in the coach. Anyone have any ideas as to what could have caused these things to all go down in the same time frame?

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[> Subject: Re: appliances are dying


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 08, 10:59am
I would check to see if they are all on the same leg, check the front over head Volt meters, Amp meters, and I would then guess it was the main circuit breaker.
Or is the problem on both shore power and generator power???

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[> Subject: Re: appliances are dying


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 08, 10:23am
Can't say about the microwave but on my bus all the tv/vcr stuff and icemaker can be ran by the inverter too. That means there is a voltage sinsing relay somewhere. If that is not working, or power is fed through an inverter, some do that, and its' breaker has popped that would explain some of your woes. If you have a larger inverter, the micro would likely be on it too.

Don

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Subject: 81 FC wiring diagram


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 12/ 8/ 08, 9:05pm
I just bought a 1981 33' FC, I was wondering where or if I can get a wiring diagram or any of the other documentation that orginally came with it. I have the book on the generator, and the chassie operators manual. I have called Blue Bird Coach Works a couple of times and left messages with thier technical services, nobody has returned my calls

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Subject: height of average Blue bird


Author:
Greg Smith
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Date Posted: 11/ 25/ 08, 4:51pm
Trying to find the average height of the Blue Bird 35' coach--I don't currently have a Blue Bird but hope to in the future and am planning a car port for my existing motor home and want to make sure it is high enough for a future Blue Bird

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[> Subject: Re: height of average Blue bird


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 11/ 25/ 08, 4:51pm
Our 84 PT36 is 12ft 3 in. with the roof air.
14 foot door will clear the antenna's also.

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Subject: fresh water pump


Author:
Brian Roth
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Date Posted: 11/ 21/ 08, 1:51pm
My fresh water pump in my 1981 35 ft BBWL isn't working and I can't find it. I was told it is under the bed. I am probable looking right at it but can't find it. Can anyone help?

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[> Subject: Re: fresh water pump


Author:
Ernie EKberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 21/ 08, 1:51pm
Brian, your water pump is under the kitchen sink behind the pegboard.

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Subject: Insulating a bird


Author:
Lou
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Date Posted: 11/ 20/ 08, 5:47am
I would like to know if their is a way to insulate a 73 blue bird or do you just have to live with out it.I was thinking maybe if I could get the plans I could raise the roof 24inches and widen the sides 12inches any input or advice would be appreciated thank you.

Lou

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[> Subject: Re: Insulating a bird


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 08, 9:41pm
I think those dimensions would be prohibited in just about every state. There is a reason the Wanderlodge WB (wide body) is only 8'6" wide, that is the maximum width by federal law, height is regulated by states but highest I know of is 14" and most are 13'6".

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[> [> Subject: Re: Insulating a bird


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Lou
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Date Posted: 11/ 18/ 08, 12:35pm
Dave thank you for your response to my inquiries I measured a couple of semi tractor trailers and found that 8'6" is the norm so this now gives me 3" on each side of the bus the roof stands at 10.5' so I should have plenty of room to go up I am wondering what would be the best insulation to use and were I could obtain constriction plans of this bus.

Lou

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Insulating a bird


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 20/ 08, 5:47am
I believe that sprayed in foam is the insulation for your coach. Now, the generator and dog house can have insulation added

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Subject: Generator


Author:
dctrcarter
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Date Posted: 11/ 10/ 08, 4:41pm
Update on the generator, found fuse blown in control panel, 10a- replaced an switches are working again at all three spots, engine is not turning over, getting a clinking noise from engine, replaced the solenold behind the fuel solenold, book don't say what solenold, some call it a continueous solenold. Still looking for help

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[> Subject: Re: Generator


Author:
Michael Davis (No such thing as bad weather; ...just bad gear.)
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 08, 5:32pm
I am looking for parts dealers for Kohler generators, ...the older ones; Model 7.5C61 that is power plant for a 1981 31' FC.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Generator


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 08, 10:04am
Here you go Michael, Engines Service, Inc. located in Milwaukee... ask for Phil...414 353 7340

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Generator


Author:
mike hohnstein
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Date Posted: 11/ 10/ 08, 4:41pm
And you may want to tread softly over there. Kinda pricey.
On the other hand, little chance of a smokin' deal on Kohler parts. There are times a new Onan makes sense.
M Hohnstein
Germantown, WI
83FC35rb

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Subject: Suspension dump


Author:
Joe
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Date Posted: 11/ 3/ 08, 6:07am
I just purchased a 1982 33 fc. I dumped the suspension last night and this morning it wouldnt come back up. All other air systems seem to be ok, the air pressure came up on the guages but not the bags. Anyone know what I have done wrong??

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[> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 08, 6:17am
You've done nothing wrong, probably a stuck or bad valve. Sometimes if you shut the engine off and dump the air and retry to air the bags up it will work. It's been a while since anyone has responded to your question so maybe you have figured it out by now.If you did fix the problem,let us know what you ended up doing,if you don't mind.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
Henry Pozzuoli
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Date Posted: 09/ 6/ 08, 7:31pm
Hi

Mine gives me a hard time now and then when the step dose not retract all the way. I push it in or sometimes work the switch on the dash. Once the step is in -- no air leak. The auxillary tanks will fill.

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[> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
Dave (Still Lookin)
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 08, 6:23pm
This may seem too simple but while looking at a BB this past weekend as a potential buyer, I learned the system will not air up with the dump valve still in the dump position. Like I said, sounds too simple but if you are not familiar with the systems...

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[> [> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 08, 9:18am
Dave, you're right, I didn't even think of that, maybe Joe doen't know that you have to flip a switch to bring the airbags up. We may never know though, seems like Joe posted a question and then has decided never to return

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[> [> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
jim riordan
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 08, 8:49am
You are incorrect about this being a normal condition. With engine running air tanks should air up to operating pressure.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Suspension dump


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 11/ 3/ 08, 6:07am
Jim, I'm not wrong, I said you need to flip a switch to have the AIRBAGS air up ( which was Joes problem ), not the AIR TANKS. I know the airtank starts to air up when you start the engine.

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Subject: Manual


Author:
dctrcarter
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 08, 5:24pm
Looking for a 1989 Wanderlodge Silver Ed. Replaced my side Landing lightd, #4415, 12v, can I get the hole side light some where? The insides are corroded, the metal ring is shoot, plastic holding buld in are broken, I believe I'm going to need alot of parts.

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[> Subject: Re: owners Manual 1979


Author:
Patrick
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 08, 5:24pm
Anyone have a manual for a 1979?

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Subject: Where is the VIN number


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 17/ 08, 5:22pm
I just sold my 1977 33.5' FC BlueBird Wanderlodge. The VIN on my title is: 09433437005. The fellow I sold to is going to license it in Ohio and he cannot find the VIN anywhere on the vehicle. I have had the vehicle licensed in Oregon, Montana, Utah and it came from Washington and has always had the same VIN on the titles. WHERE IS IT? PLEASE!!!!!!!! Bob Neary (435-668-3456)

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[> Subject: Re: Where is the VIN number


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 10/ 4/ 08, 2:30pm
There should be a plate on the dash just above the engine cover and left of center. Behind the table that sits on top of the engine cover.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Where is the VIN number


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 4/ 08, 2:46pm
Thanks for the reply. The plate you are talking about has the Bluebird numbers but not the VIN. There are two plates where you suggest but neither is the VIN. There is a plate on the windshield post passenger side but it also is just the Bluebird number. Bob

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Where is the VIN number


Author:
Dave Ward
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Date Posted: 10/ 17/ 08, 5:22pm
Bob,
I don't know if you ever got an answer to your question or not but I have one now, at least for a 1980. I just bought a 1980 FC31 and found the Vin. on a plate above the left windshield. It only has the last 6 digits of what is on the title but that was enough to satisfy the DMV inspector in AZ where I live.

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Subject: To buy or not to buy


Author:
James Mantonya
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 08, 5:23am
Ive talked with a few of you b4 regarding buying a rv to use while on furlough for a year. with the economy as it is now, is it a good idea?
James

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[> Subject: Re: To buy or not to buy


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 08, 5:23am
If you have the resources to purchase and maintain the coach, go for it-- life is very short

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Subject: 6-92 starter


Author:
Robert
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 08, 9:52pm
I have a 83 PT35 with a 6-92 DD. I am having a problem with the starter and am trying to remove it. I have the bottom two bolts out but I can't feel or see the third bolt which I assume is between the solenoid and the block. Any ideas on how to access this last bolt?

Thanks
Roert
83PT35

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[> Subject: Re: 6-92 starter


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 08, 9:52pm
Go to a good auto parts store (N.A.P.A.) or a good mechanics tool supplier and ask for a "Starter Wrench". It is a box end wrench made in a "C" shape to reach around the starter.

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Subject: 1993 Blue Bird


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 08, 6:45pm
I would like to know if the 1993 Blue Birds had an option on cabinets to be white or off white, or do they all have white cabinets?

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Subject: Wanderlust *DR004877*


Author:
Lydia
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 08, 6:01pm
Hoping someone may be able to give me more info on motorhome i recently acquired, unfortunately it was involved in a fire-front drivers area is totaled and the only indentifying mark i have been able to find is a metal tag on the first step on the left side - Wanderlust *DR004877*. I have searched all over the internet, and called Wanderlodge several times and to no avail. Can anyone give me any information? It a gas motor Flat-head V-8. Thank you

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlust *DR004877*


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 08, 6:01pm
Doesn't sound like a Wanderlodge as any gas engine would have been overhead valve. Have you talked to any mechanic who might be able to identify the engine and approximate age. I think the latest flathead V-8 would be a 1953 Ford.
Maybe if you coulod post a picture or 2 somebody might have an idea.

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Subject: street water intake


Author:
Roland Condon
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 08, 10:44am
I have a 1986 PT 40. It is taking as much as a half a day to fill the reserve water tank. I have replaced the fill switch control valve inside the coach under the bed. I still didn't get an increase in water flow. I also put 100 psi of air pressure on the street intake valve, but did not see any improvements. I found where the outside street water fill is connected under the bed, but can't get to it without removing the pressure tank. When I try to run water from the street straight to the faucets, I get a reduced volume of water and pressure. With a half tank of water, I can turn the pump on to draw from the storage tank, and everything works OK. I found a Jabsco replacement regulator and water intake. I don't know how to remove the female hose connector to see if the strainer/filter is plugged. I need some help.

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Subject: water system purge for wintewrizing


Author:
John Stuchlik
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 08, 11:19am
I have an 87 40'bbwl that has a purge system for winterizing. The micro valves are leaking and I'm trying to figure out how to eleiminate them altogether, the purge system never really worked. Also looking for advice on winterizing.

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Subject: Electrical/wiring


Author:
Brian Roth
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 08, 1:27pm
I have a '81 35 footer with a 3208 cat. I have serious wiring problems both 12 volt and 110 and need a good electrical shop in the L.A./ Orange County area. Any ideas?

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[> Subject: Re: Electrical/wiring


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 08, 1:27pm
Hi Brian and others,

I had an '80 and now an '87. Before you have someone look at it besure that you have the AC & DC electrical diagrams for it; best if their blown up and as a working copy that can be written on. Have a list availlable that clearly states where all AC and DC load centers are physically located. Also list where the battery chargers are located, relays, load switches on and on. Go through the manual for them.

A shop could easily spend 1/2 hour looking for the battery chargers, and get sidetracked for much longer. Tackle a single system at a time, and read up on it. If the bus is new to you then thing might be working correctly. For examply, if the A/C units are not working, did you bump one of the switches by your left knee while driving. A/T switch if it won't start and so on.

There are typical problems for both the AC and DC system, a search of this site and others will make them apparent. Touch the various DC connectors when in use, if hot, a repair is needed and so on. Generally, splice points/barrel connectors become poor connectors in the DC systems, wires get chaffed, dirt and grime provide new electrical paths to ground, rubber parts fall apart and fail to insulate or provide physical protection.

People make changes to the original factory install. These can be for the better, or mind bendingly stupid, even unsafe. Just be awary that a few idiots have probably touched your bus before.

Be nosey, if you see a poor termination, see to it that it is not energized and returminate it. If copper is exposed, re-insulate if it is ok, or replace. Remember, it is very simple, one termination at a time. You don't even have to understand the circuit. Get a few descent tools if you do this, don't go cheap here, and use quality parts. You could pay an electrician w/a service van to spend an hour or two to show you the correct ways to do these thing, even tell you what tools to get, or you could figure it out yourself by doing some reading.

Except for things like new battery cables, you probably can't have this thing worked on in an economical fashion. Maybe you can if you have clearly stated what the specific problems are and can walk him through the systems. But don't be surprised if your charged for 8 hours shop time and see little for it; for this reason, some shops won't want to touch it.

I found on my 1980 that anything I took apart, someone had been there before and only put it partly back. But generaly any non-factory electrical work was third rate at best. Usualy these poor installs will stand out.

Again, some problems you don't really need to understand to repair, especially at first. If there is a poor looking connection, replace it and at the least one eventual problem will go away. If a connection gets hot, replace it, magically a light gets brighter, a heater now lights etc.

Hope this helps.

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Subject: Kohler 12.5 kW


Author:
Richard Carter
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 08, 7:25am
Have a 1989 40' wlwb with a 12.5 Kohler generator, will the back half burned up an looking for a new one. Please call with information 217-433-0159

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[> Subject: Re: Kohler 12.5 kW


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 09/ 8/ 08, 6:09am
Not exactly sure but i think you are saying that the Kohler 12.5KW generator that is in your Blue Bird burned up and you need to replace it with a new generator, right?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Kohler 12.5 kW


Author:
Richard Carter
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 08, 7:25am
Thats right, looking for new or rebuild, an cost

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Subject: Suggestions on Fresh Water Tank replacement


Author:
Michael Putz
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Date Posted: 09/ 5/ 08, 2:53pm
Hello All.. just picked up a 78FC35 and found the fresh water tank bad and water heater shot. I'm thinking about replacing the small water heater under the bed with an electric tankless type, has anyone tried this? If this would work I could replace the original fresh water tank with a larger one as I haven't found a stock replacement anywhere.

Michael

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[> Subject: Re: Suggestions on Fresh Water Tank replacement


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 08, 9:58am
I believe you will find that a tankless electric water heater will be less than satisfactory for RV use. Even if you have a 50 amp 120/240V service available you will be severely limited by the fact that you will have to wire the unit for 120V operation or it will not function when connected to a 30 amp 120V shore connection. At 3.4 BTU's per watt of electricity you just can't get enough heat to heat water on the fly. With a 30 amp hookup devoting just 10 amps for battery charging, microwave, TV, etc. (and NO air conditioning) you leave 20 amps or 2400 watts for heating the water. That's only 8184 BTU's. Not enough to heat more than a trickle. Most tankless heaters are about 60,000 BTU's for a max of 2 GPM. You will need to go with a gas or diesel tankless or a tank type electric.

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[> Subject: Re: Suggestions on Fresh Water Tank replacement


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 08, 12:26pm
Hello,

Replacing the freshwater tank is a pretty involved undertaking. Expect having to tear out much of the surrounding structures to get to it. The flooring might be rotted to the consistency of barkdust under that tank. The steel studs holding the old flooring down might be waiting to puncture the tank even more unless removed, their tops rusted away and now present themselves as nails. The rubber sheet that the tank sat on is probably dried out an no longer offers a non-slip surface that it originally did to keep the tank in place. You may find that other structures that alway sat on this flooring have also sufferred structural setback and need attention, shimmed or materials added/replaced.

Don't be surprised if a tank replacement is not redilaly located (INCA made the original and they were not interrested in making a replacement). Or that no local plastic shops want to take on the repair or fabricate a replacement. Your tank is weldable and repairable, go airless, it is low density PE (polyethelene, spelling is something like that). This is something that you can do yourself.

You could go with a simpler tank design, smaller, but if you install your overflow differently, end up with about the same effective capacity. On my 1980, I lost probably 20 gallons on the first steep hill.

If your tank still has original copper tubing to tank fill, this is to rigid and the tank will crack their. Swap this out with flexible plastic tubing. Stock on later busses.

I also beefed up the bed supports, rebuild the fridge shelf, added modern computer fans for the fridge. In general improved upon the factory design, with future access a consideration.

Don

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[> Subject: Re: Suggestions on Fresh Water Tank replacement


Author:
dave powell
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Date Posted: 09/ 5/ 08, 2:53pm
hello michael:
if you haven't found a replacement fresh water tank by now,i have a good used
one from a 1980 35 fc bb my bird had 2 one under each bunk bed.
docpowell34@yahoo.com

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Subject: Pulling of Engine 8V-92


Author:
Rolf Larson (Exited)
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 08, 11:02pm
How hard is it to pull the engine *V 92 out of the chassi to do a repair .Is there a rail you can slide the engine out on ???? Thanks I bought this 89 42footer with a bad engine I need to have it pulled to get it to thr my shop ???

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[> Subject: Re: Pulling of Engine 8V-92


Author:
Ed Allison
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 08, 11:02pm
Please let us know what you have found out. I plan to pull a 6v92 from a 1985PT 40.(fire damage to cabin) Any info most appreciated

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Subject: 1980 wanderlodge air conditioners


Author:
dave powell (help)
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 08, 2:44pm
does anyone know where i can get replacement shrouds for the kaiser 714h
model air conditioners the units work fine but the covers are falling apart?
if not what would be a good replacement?
thanks dave

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