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Subject: Primus 2490


Author:
Dick Hayes
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 04, 1:21am

One of my boilers (Primus 2490) clicks several times then there is a poof. No ignition just clicks, poofs and nothing else. If there is a fix can parts be found in the USA? I have searched high and low but to no avail.

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[> Subject: Re: Primus 2490


Author:
Bisk AB Sweden
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 04, 1:21am

Check with Mr.Mike hamlin at Blue Bird Body phone: 478-822-2047. We think the problem is the Electrode.
Your Sincerely

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Subject: air line quick connect type question


Author:
Fred Bieti
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Date Posted: 11/ 21/ 04, 8:41am

I have a 1992 PT 40 WB/WL.

Can you tell me what type of quick connect fittings are used on this coach?

I would like to put an air hose and possibly an aux air compressor on same.

Fred Bieti

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Subject: bluebird owners poconos pa


Author:
joe
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 04, 3:38pm

looking to buy a used 81 bluebird in the pocono area of pa. called bluebird and they have no dealers in the area to have the unit checked out a little. looking for any bluebird owners in this area that i can contact to get some info as to what some of the main things that should be checked are before we purchase. thanks
joe

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[> Subject: Re: bluebird owners poconos pa


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 04, 3:38pm

Hi Joe,
Was looking through old messages and saw your post. Not sure if you found a bird yet. Just purchased an '85 pusher in August. We live in Hershey. If you are ever down this way, give me a few days notice and I'll give you the 10 cent tour. I was partial to the pusher due to the quiet ride. Having driven trucks with front motor in a past life, I was hoping to get away from the drone and vibration.
Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

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Subject: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Jon Ecker
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 04, 4:25am

I have an FC35 with a 12.5 kW Diesel generator thats louder than a Who concert. I'd like to get a generator that meets national park standards so we don't always have to have power. Does anyone have any experience with sub 70db generators running on an older bird whith two AC units, battery charger and microwave? Can you get away with one of the 5.5 kW propane jobs?

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
oene pomper
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 4:52pm

I am replacing ours with a Onan quiet diesel. It is super quiet and lighter in weight.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Shawn
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:15pm

What kw size did you go with? Did it fit w/o much modification? Are there any gotchas to watch out for or is install straightforward? Thanks in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 04, 4:25am

I would stick with a diesel generator. You have more fuel and with propane, you'll be filling up more frequently.

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Subject: 1978 thomas conversion steering


Author:
Ron
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:13pm

have a 78 thomas saf-t-liner conversion , looks just like
wanderlodge , it is powered by cummins 555 with allision
a/t . i need info on locating drag link for steering .

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[> Subject: Re: 1978 thomas conversion steering


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:13pm

Give me a call at 817-589-1932. I think I have a Thomas buss that was built by B/B that they made a pusher of it.

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Subject: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:00pm

Hey Gang,

The OEM (bronze tinted) side window glass originally supplied in my 1977 31' FC (534 Gas) has seen better days.

Is it cost effective to have the glass replaced in the existing frames? If so is there a source for the bronze tinted glass (I cannot find it). What about a rebuilder?

Aditionally, the window channel seals "felt-like" are rusted away and need replacing. JC whitney does not have the right size nor can I locate it either. Any suppliers that you guys are aware of? I have made an accurate detailed drawing of the windows dimensions should anyone need a copy..

Thanks for the help!

Regards,

Patrick

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
David L. Steinwinder
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Date Posted: 09/ 18/ 04, 10:11am

I have a similar problem on my '72. Bluebird informed me that they no longer make their casings and referred me to Penensula Glass. Tel: 1-360-892-2029. I haven't contacted them as yet, but intend to come cold weather.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:00pm

I have a full set of B/B windows still in original crate from B/B that I am not going to use and will take $2400.00 for them. They were for a 1981 side bath.

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Subject: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 7:03pm

We want to be able to run the generator in parks. I think requirement is 70 decibel max, and new quiet gensets operate under 70 decibels. Has anyone soundproofed the original 12.5 perkins/kohler to get around 70 decibels? If so, what materials and what if anything special did you do about the fan (e.g. build wall btw fan and generator? Or do you think our only option is to get a new quiet diesel?

Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Jeff August
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 04, 7:19am

Shawn, You could ask this question at wanderlodge.org / I am wondering this as well. 80FC35RB

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[> Subject: Re: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 7:03pm

Hello, I have the same problem and would also like to know the answer to this questions. My unit puts out 96 deb. If anyone has the answer please let me know. Marvin 81-35'FC

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Subject: Bluebird envy


Author:
John Barry
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 04, 3:58am

I live in Southern NM and travel extensively in higher elevations. Lots of long hot climbs pulling approx 7500 lb van. I am selling my present coach, a 2000 American Eagle that we have been putting around 16000 miles a year on. We use it just about 12 months a year, dry camping usually 150 days per year. Which Bluebird model would be my best bet if my wife won't let me spend more than 100,000 dineros? It would be my fourth motorhome and I've always liked BBs but never have had one. I don't want to be a full time mechanic. Part time is OK. I'd appreciate any informed opinions. Thanks, John Barry

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird envy


Author:
Crit Bliss
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 04, 3:58am

Buy a 1988 PT-40 with the big 8v92 detroit, you will be all set.

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Subject: Rear bath bird


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 04, 4:40pm

We are looking for an FC35 with rear bath. Have owned a 78 and 88 FC35 with rear bed, and see lots of them for sale. Were the rear baths only made during certain years and in small numbers, or are they so popular that they are hard to find?
Thanks for the info.

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Subject: Height of a Wanderlodge when air bags are filled


Author:
Jon Lechich
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/ 04, 11:57am

I was wondering what the height of a 33 ft 1982 wanderlodge is and what the is the width. Thanks Jon

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[> Subject: Re: Height of a Wanderlodge when air bags are filled


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/ 04, 11:57am

11' to 11 1/2' high 96" wide

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Subject: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Ken Johnson
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 04, 9:52am

I'm looking for a mid-80's Bluebird, and am trying to get information regarding Cat 3208 diesel engines. I'd like to know how many miles (or hours) can be put on an engine before major work needs to be done, or it needs to be rebuilt. I'd also like to know if there are parts of the engine (i.e. fuel pump, water pump, etc) that tend to go "bad" or wear, and have to be replaced (I know that diesels are better than gas engines, and have been convinced by the information I've seen on the Vintage Bird site - that's why I'm looking for a Bluebird :-) ). I have the same type of questions regarding Allison transmissions. I just want to know if there are any "pitfalls" I should be looking for.

Thanks for any assistance!

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 04, 12:46pm

The main thing to do, is to do a lube and Oil change every 6000 miles or every six months, which ever comes first, this keeps down acid build up in the oil pan, also have the valves adjusted every 60,000 miles. I also have my oil checked for metal filings and contamination when the oil is changed. If all factory recommendations are followed the 3208 engine will make 400,000 miles with minimum costs.

Lee L.

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Rose Mary Smith
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 04, 2:01pm

Hi
I saw your post. My brother was recently killed and the family would like to find a home for his bluebird. It is an 82, well maintained, low miles and hours. He kept it tip top.
new tires, belts, hoses. A new diesel cat engine, rebuilt transmission etc.
All owners manuals and a log of hours and work done since he bought the coach as a second owner. The bank repoed from the original owner.
Sincerely
Rose Mary

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Ken Johnson
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Date Posted: 09/ 5/ 04, 2:51pm

Rose Mary:
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. We wound up purchasing an '83, however, my brother is looking for a similar coach. Can you e-mail me some information or photos? Is there a phone number to someone who can answer questions about it? Thanks!

Ken Johnson
'83 FC35

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Lorilee Rainey
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 04, 10:46am

Sorry about the loss of your brother. We are currently looking for a vintage bird to purchase. I am not familiar with this list, so I don't know how to post directly to you. I would be interested in any info you could give me on the rig you are selling. Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 8N#7005


Author:
Ali Samantha
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 04, 9:52am

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- Nozzle caterpillar part 8N#7005 Qty : 80 Pcs

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Subject: 65 Wanderlodge, miles and saftey


Author:
kit katz
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 04, 9:28am

1965 Bluebird Wanderlodge
front engine gasoline 352 ford industrial puller with Allison 8spd. automatic

1. How many miles would you expect this engine/tranny to take before it has to be rebuilt, or…
2. Does the odometer actually register miles in the hundred thousands?
3. Does it have that steel bar in the front end, absorbing [some of] the shock in the event of collision?
4. Fire: Do you hear of many fires in these coaches? If so, what generally causes and prevents them?
5. Anything you wanna tell me about its quirks and uttter fabulousness

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Subject: Air System question on 1988 35 ft BB w/ Cat 3208 Turbo


Author:
Marc Glassmire
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 04, 10:53am

When I started my coach the air system would not pressurize so obviously no suspension, brakes, etc. I realize that these are only minor inconveniences but none the less Items that I have grown accustomed to. Is this system belt driven or electronically (12V) operated? Where does one find the compressor on the coach? Also noticed that ammeter never registered with engine running, volt meter registered only 11.5 volts which to me indicates lack of or insufficient charging from alternator. This I know is belt driven and I am wondering if air system is driven from same belt. Replies/Information here or via e-mail would be most welcome!

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[> Subject: Re: Air System question on 1988 35 ft BB w/ Cat 3208 Turbo


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 04, 10:53am

On my coach a 1980 FC35 Cat 3208 Turbo there are 2 belts that drive both the alternator and air compressor, you must have lost both of them. If you have a swing radiator it will be easy to change the belts. If you need more info e-mail me and I can e-mail a picture.

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Subject: PT 40 Speed


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 10/ 25/ 04, 12:31am

What should be the top speed[on level road] of a Pt 40 with 6V92 5speed.
thanks, marvin

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[> Subject: Re: PT 40 Speed


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 10/ 25/ 04, 12:31am

I WOULD SAY AROUND 65 OR 70MPH,,, DON'T REV THE ENGING PAST 2150 RPMS FOR A DETROIT DIESEL 6V92 SILVER,,,, THAT IS AROUND 65 70MPH,,, DAY,,,

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Subject: Grease Fitting Location


Author:
LGMN
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 7:56pm

I gave my ‘84 PT36 a grease job and was able to find all the fittings except one. I could not find the grease fitting for the steering column universal located somewhere inside the left front access panel. Does anyone know where to find the fitting? Does the steering wheel have to be positioned properly to find it?

LGMN
'84 pt36
AL

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[> Subject: Re: Grease Fitting Location


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 7:56pm

The service manager at my authorized Blue Bird dealer, who had thirteen years experience at the Blue Bird factory, said my 1984 PT36 did not have a grease fitting in the steering shaft. I replaced the steering column a few years ago and it had a collar that fitted over a pin in the steering shaft so there may not be a universal joint in the 84's. 85's and 86's have the zerk fitting in the middle of the universal joint and the shaft must be positioned correctly to both see the fitting and attach the grease nozzle. I understand the universal joint is just above the steering box and an eighteen inch flexible extension is needed to reach the fitting. The fitting is so inaccessible, that even if seen, there may not be enough room to attach the extension to the fitting.

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Subject: Wide body


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 10:44am

I am interested in knowing if the wide body is a choice that people are happy they made. Does the wide body restrict places that can be visited? Does it limit campgrounds? Is it favored by a certain type of owner, ie.,short term users vs. long time users? If you could make the decision over again, would you choose a wide body? Does the wide body command a higher price than the 96 inch wide?

I sincerely appreciate any answers that I recieve. I am trying not to make a mistake that might require having to repeat the process.

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Subject: horsepower


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 04, 2:48pm

I am interested in finding the shortest Bluebird pusher that has over 400 horsepower. Which models would this be? Prefer years from 1985 to 1992 (for $ reasons).

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Subject: 2 speed differential


Author:
Grant Thacker
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 1:02pm

We purchased a 1986 Bluebird and were wondering if anyone has installed a 2 speed differential. It is an 892 4speed automatic. If so, a return email would be appreciated with some idea of cost and where to get parts.

Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: 2 speed differential


Author:
Gary Sprague
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 10:49pm

Hello Grant .... I understand the need for a SERIOUS road gear to allow maximum life from our over-revved Diesels. I have a fresh 3208 Cat and feel it'll be short-lived if I continue cruising at 3000rpm and 69mph. I'm running a 5;29 and recently picked-up a freshly rebuilt Rockwell 2-speed with a 4.11 tag beside the air shifter. My Allison transmission is a MT643 4 speed and lock-up torque converter. I bought a service manual from Allison and it mentions the procedure when using a 2speed rear gear, so its OK with the company. With my 4.11 also comes a 5.61 so I'm actually getting just what I' d been hoping for. I'm in contact with 1 other board member that has also done this very swap! Complete axle assembly -- I'm just about ready to start on mine. If I can help let me know. I want to cruise at somewhere between 1800 and 2500rpm and I'm almost certain these motors will never wear out!!! Thanks for listening Gary in Waldo - Fl

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[> [> Subject: Re: 2 speed differential


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 1:02pm

I just replaced the Cat 3208 NA in our 1980 FC35 with an fresh rebuild Cat 3208 250 Turbo. The change in driving is unbelievable, it almost drives like a car. I now need to address the rear end, 5.29 is to low. I am looking for a 4.65 or so but may look into a 2-speed, where did you find the 2-speed?

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Subject: Propane Parts


Author:
Matt Kowalski
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 9:46pm

I have a 1986 PT38 which has a leaking propane regulator. BB used seperate high and low pressure regulators and I am having trouble locating the high pressure only regulator. The combo two-stage units are very common. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: Propane Parts


Author:
Hubert Harrien
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 04, 6:45pm

I have an 81' 35fc and I recently developed a leak in the regulator. I think it was the diaphram. I checked around and the only place I found was Holland Motor Homes. They were very helpful and said they only sold the whole regulator, not just the diaphram. They said they stocked it and would ship it to me.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Propane Parts


Author:
Don 1980FC31
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 9:46pm

Any propane dealer should be able to provide you with a high side regulator. If you have the space by the regulator, most have a free port that you can unplug and add a PSI guage. I beleive 10 PSI is the correct setting.

On your old regulator, if you loosen the jam nut and attempt to adjust the pressure this will often wreck the old dried out diaphram and all your propane will slowly leak away.

Due to liability, most shops will not rebuild an old regulator. About $30. Most internet sites will not sell direct to the public unless it is part of a system.

Regards, Don

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Subject: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 04, 6:43pm

My wife has "fallen in love" with a 78 Bluebird for sale down the street. We have six children and would love to join the Bluebird family. My question is: Are there seatbelts in these older models, and if not, can they be retrofitted?

Thanks for any help here.

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 5:53pm

My 79 has three seatbelts behind the cushions in the couch behind the driver. If there is a couch on the passenger side, there may or may not be belts behind it.Can almost guarranty though that there will not be enough and you will be installing more. should be plenty doable as there is plenty of support in the floor system for additional belts.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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[> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 9:48pm

Thanks. It will need some belts. I checked out the Bird today. I must say I was fairly impressed by its solid construction, old as she is, she is very well kept up. We are taking it on a test this weekend to Cape Cod. The kids are down there already, camping out in a large tent--our current "2nd home." I will look further ino how to install seatbelts; I figured four on the dinette and three on the couch and we'd be fit for a cruise. Thanks for the post.

PS Convince me I'm on the right track!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Rich Cline
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Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 04, 9:45pm

I need to install additional seatbelts in my 78FC33. I'd appreciate you sharing what you learn about adding the belts (I'll pass on anything I pick up as well).

R. Cline
Circleville, OH
78FC33

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 04, 6:43pm

seat belts can be installed almost anywhere, except the fuel and holding tank areas.The floor is plywood over steel. Just be careful where you drill. Ernie Ekberg

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 07/ 1/ 04, 5:22pm

John, the more you learn about Birds the more you will learn to love them. They are extremely rugged and last forever.

If I were going to install seatbelts I would go to a local company that does handicapped van conversions. They routinely install belts and can do it correctly.

Another great resource for info on Birds and getting help from members is the Wanderlodge Owners Forum at http://wanderlodge.org. Please feel free to join us.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 1983 FC35RB

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[> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 8:02pm

Thanks Bruce, That is a great idea. I will follow through on that and let folks know the cost.

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
tjhannink
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Date Posted: 07/ 26/ 04, 11:55am

My '81 FC-33 has dual front couches, each with 2-sets of seat belts. The dinette also has 2-sets of seatbelts at each bench location. Including the driver and front passenger seats, my coach has seat belts for 10 people, all factory with the Bluebird logo on the buckle. They were all hidden under the seats, I had to remove the dinette booth to get out those belts, the previous owner must have gotten sick of them.

Tim Hannink
1981 FC-33
Winter Park, FL

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 10/ 12/ 04, 10:00am

We added a couch on the passenger side and added seatbelts for 3 kids. We removed the interior siding to get to the vertical metal braces. We had to cut out the insulation around the braces we wanted to add. We attached 2" 90 angle iron to the vertical supports, and then a 6 foot 90 angle iron to those. We drilled holes in the 6-foot horizontal section and attached hardened steel eyes with hardened bolts. We attach the kid car seats to those. Or instead of the eyes, you could directly attach seat belt hardware if your kids are older. We then added more insulation and reinstalled the interior siding. This all took about 5 hours once I had all the supplies. The supports are probably overkill but it makes the wife happy. And it is now really quick and easy to add and remove car seats b/c we can use the child seat quick connects.

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Subject: water tank leak


Author:
BOB MALONEY
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 04, 3:30pm

I HAVE ABOUT A 5 OR 6 INCH CRACK IN THE TOP OF MY FRESH WATER TANK HAS ANYONE HAD THIS PROBLEM AND IF SO HOW DID
YOU REPAIR IT OR IF REPLACED TANK HOW MUCH AND WHERE DID YOU GET IT
THANKS BOB
79FC35

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[> Subject: Re: water tank leak


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 04, 3:30pm

I repaired ours with a kit I got at Camping World made for that purpose. I'd drill a small hole at both ends of the crack so it won't grow larger even under the repair.

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Subject: New Owners


Author:
Jeff August
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 7:33am

We just bought a 1980 FC35RB after many years of dreaming of owning one. The stick and staple coaches just can't take the abuse the midwest roads give. Has a turbo 3208 and air ride, (I believe air ride was a option in 80) it drives much better than our 21 foot class c coach. I have learned many things from this board that I think will be helpful in the future. To us a Blue Bird is like a pice of art and am proud to be joining you people as a owner of one!
Jeff & Michelle August
Plymouth Wi.

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Subject: GVW / FC 35


Author:
John-Paul FitzPatrick
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:11am

Up here in New Hampshire there is a TAX on all vehicles, based upon GVW...I have not been able to determine how much an FC 35 weighs.....how about a PT/40 also ?..
Anyone out there know ? thanks......

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 04, 4:32am

Around 1000lb. a foot. (FC35 35000lb.) Give or take 1 or 2 thousand lb.

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:10am

If you want to know right to the pound how much your MH weighs,put it on a scale at a truck stop. unload all your junk that you store in your motorhome. also, are you going to weigh it wet or dry? Diesel fuel weighs 6.5lbs a gal. and water weighs 8lbs a gal. 1000lbs a foot is a estimate only.

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:11am

If you want to know right to the pound how much your MH weighs put it on a scale at a truck stop. unload all your junk that you store in your motorhome. also, are you going to weigh it wet or dry? Diesel fuel weighs 6.5lbs a gal. and water weighs 8lbs a gal. 1000lbs a foot is a estimate only.

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Subject: power selector switch


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 04, 12:05pm

Cannot fint the power selector switch to switch from gen power to shore power.
The owners manual says below oven but my coach [84 pt40] only has over counter oven and cannot locate the switch.
Does anyone know where I should look, the coach is new to me?
thanks
marvin

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[> Subject: Re: power selector switch


Author:
Robert Foster
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 04, 12:05pm

On my '85PT40 the selector switch is located in the floor between the passenger seat and the wall near the door frame. The switch is covered by a 6"x6" door (covered with carpet), with a small pull ring for opening.

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Subject: TRIM ON SIDE


Author:
BOB MALONEY
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 04, 5:06am

THE BRIGHT TRIM THAT COVERS THE SEAM COVERS ON THE SIDES OF SOME FCs. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE YOU CAN BUY THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE ITS ADDED ON SOME HAVE IT SOME DO NOT.
TKS BOB 606 663 8266 EMAIL bobmaloney@bellsouth.net

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Subject: Installation of Prosine 3.0 Charger/inverter in a 1977' 31' Wanderlodge FC


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 09/ 14/ 04, 7:16pm

Hello again,

I have a brand new (high dollar) Prosine 3.0 Inveter/charger but am not sure the best place to put it. I am leaning to the basement compartment directly behind the rear wheel driver side and will have to weld up a tilted (unit is too tall) bracket to do so. My concern is the fact the units instructions say to stand it on end for the chimney cooling effect.

Does anyone have any advice on this location or suggest a different location?

Has anyone installed (or using) this unit and have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for any help in this matter!

Sincerely,

Patrick

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Subject: Curtain Rods/Tracks for 31' 1977 FC 534 CID Gas


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 09/ 14/ 04, 7:05pm

Does anyone know where I can buy parts to repair & rebuild the "low profile" curtain rods (or tracks) for the 1977 Wanderlodge?

How about new replacements?

Anyone know who made them?

Anyone have old ones that I can buy & use or rob of parts?

Any help would be appreciated...

Have a great day!

Patrick - Houston Texas

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Subject: Fuel Tank Pump


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 09/ 13/ 04, 8:09pm

1985 FC35. Is the tank pump in the tank or on top? No problems yet, but would like to be informed.
Thanks Jack

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Subject: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Clay Wilhoyte
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 04, 6:29am

We have (had?) a 1981 FC33 that was totally destroyed in a fire early this week. We are still in shock. I am dealing with the insurance company now. Does anyone know how they come up with a value in a total loss? I can't seem to find a source online. We are going to replace it. Any help would be appreciated.

Clay Wilhoyte
FC33

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:42pm

I would look at the internet as well as this web site in the "For Sale" section. If you spend some time searching you will get a pretty good idea what your couch was worth. Sorry to hear of your loss. We have a '81, 31" and would be devistaterd by what you are are reporting.

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Jeff Lubbers
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Date Posted: 05/ 27/ 04, 11:06am

I lost my 1972 BB last year to fire. Look on web sites Bird Connection and Rvtraderonline.com as well as the Vintage Birds web site. It helps if you can prove the worth of your bird. I also gave them pictures of my BB which showed them how nice it was. The good news is they gave me what I paid for the BB, 5 years earlier. We also took this opportunity to upgrade and get some features the old BB lacked. We got more room and more power. Good luck

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
David L. Steinwinder
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 04, 6:29am

Did you, by any chance, save any of your manuals regarding the '72 Bluebird? I've recently acquired a '72 and in need of any kind of information regarding this vehicle, especially the mechanics and schematic diagrams.
Everything is new to me and diffinitely interested in learning what makes this bird fly.
Thanks David

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
bamnc
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Date Posted: 06/ 20/ 04, 10:46pm

Clay, you might check you insurance policy. I know that mine has a value specified in the policy.

You can also get some ideas on http://www.wanderlodge.org if you want to.

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Subject: Rally in the Valley


Author:
Garry Yaffe
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 04, 12:11pm

Could someone provide the information in regard to when the Rally in the Valley is held? Is it possible to attend if one is not presently a Bluebird owner, but wants to buy a unit? I am looking for my first "Bird" and thought this would be a good opportunity to look a several different units. Thanks in advance for help.

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Subject: 78 thomas fc drag link


Author:
ron
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Date Posted: 09/ 6/ 04, 5:15pm

trying to find replacement drag link for 78 thomas saf-t-liner . any info would be appreciated.

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Subject: PT 40 cooling fan direction of rotation


Author:
Dan Starr
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 04, 6:38pm

Just purchased an 1985 PT-40 and had to replace Radiator and Hyd pump motor.The new pump sounds like the drive fins are hitting the motor case. We are wondering if the fan installation could pull the shaft towards the radiator.
Does the fan pull cooling air through the radiator towards the engine or does it draw air from around the engine and then push it through the radiator.

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Subject: engine size


Author:
marshall neeley
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 04, 7:29pm

Hi there I am a newby to motorhomes and I am interested in the Bluebirds. I have been reading ads that state engine sizes. They give different engines and the Detroit is a 60 series. However, you have a 400,425,450,475and a 500. Is there a data plate that tells you which engine power you have and where is it located.
Thanking you in advance for you help

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Subject: 1982 PT40 QUESTIONS


Author:
MIKE FARMER II
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 04, 6:34am

2 years ago I purchased a 1982 pt40 with 217,000 miles. We have taken some long trips with relatively few problems. I am now getting the engine alarm light and buzzer going off once in a while. I can't figure out why. The fluids are fine, oil pressure reads above 40 at cruising speed. Should I be concerned? Now yesterday I replaced the 3 batteries in the engine compartment, but now I can't get it to start. The lights all come on like normal, but the starter won't turn over. Any ideas? I greatly appreciate any information. I am a new owner, without much knowledge about motorhomes in general. Thank you, Mike

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Subject: Bluebird recommendations


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 08/ 27/ 04, 3:43pm

I,m looking to buy a late 80's or early 90's 40' bluebird but I'm getting the impression that the mid 80's birds are better built. Is there any truth to that, as it seems that the 84 birds go for close to as much as the later models. Is there an all around best year for Bluebird? and why is that year better. Any help will be appreciated.

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Subject: 6V92


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:37pm

What was the first year for the silver series 6V92?
thanks,marvin
searching for a PT

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[> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 04, 10:01pm

Hello Marvin,

1982 was the first 40' and the first 6V92 pusher.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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[> [> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 5:46am

Yes I know that, but when did the silver series up dates
happen?
thanks'marvin

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:37pm

In 1982 when BlueBird started building the 40' pushers I believe they came standard with a 6V92 red series engine and you could upgrade to the silver series 6V92. My coach has the silver series. I have seen two other 1982 40' coaches and they both had the seliver series as well. I believe the red series is a lighter duty engine. I had some info about this, but I could not find it. The 1982 sales brochure showes the coach and the chassis pictures with the red series in them. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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Subject: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:04pm

Does anyone know where the Cruise Control Module is located on a 40'1982 BlueBird pusher? Also what it looks like. I have been unable to find it on my coach.

I have found a place in Texas that will rebuild it through your web site, but I need to find it first. BlueBird has hidden it well, or I am looking right at it and just not recognizing it.

Thanks in advance,

Don Cleary

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 04, 9:56pm


Does anyone know where the Cruise Control Module is located on a 40'1982 BlueBird pusher? Also what it looks like. I have been unable to find it on my coach.

I have found a place in Texas that will rebuild it through your web site, but I need to find it first. BlueBird has hidden it well, or I am looking right at it and just not recognizing it.

Thanks in advance,

Don Cleary

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 3:28pm

My cruise control is behind a metal panel just in front of the batteries in the engine compartment. There is an L shaped metal cover that goes over the Rediline.If you start unscrewing that cover, there is a flange at the top of that and that is where your cruise is.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:04pm

Hello Ernie

Thank you very much. I have been looking up front near the instrument panel. I would have never thought to look there.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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Subject: Synthetic Oil


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 04, 11:54pm

Does anyone have any reliable facts on whether using synthetic oils in diesel engines is a good thing? I'm fixing to perform an oil change and would like to use synthetic if it's better than regular oil. I use synthetic in my gas engines, but the guy who sold me my Bird said it was not good in diesel engines. Unfortunately, I can't remember why he said it was bad. Any help appreciated...Henry F. Claeys II, 1979 FC 35, Cat 3208 NA, plus Kohler Diesel 12 KW generator, at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil


Author:
L Longcrier
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 04, 3:06pm

I asked My CAT Dealer and he said said to use Rotella T. That is what they use in new and Rebuilt engines at their shop.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 04, 11:54pm

Is Rotella a synthetic oil? If not, has he considered synthetic and what are his reasons for not using it? Thanmks....Henry Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Power Steering Pump Problems


Author:
Eric Johnson
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 04, 3:48pm

I have a 1984 FC35 and my power steering pump is leaking around the shaft. A surprise as I replaced the pump 2 years ago with a new unit from BB. I'm wondering if the leakage is related to drive belt tension. I recently reset belt tensions using a deflection gauge and am curious if others have had the same problem. It seems I'm faced with a choice between a slipping drive belt or a leaking shaft packing.

Can the pump be rebuilt? Is there a more reliable replacement pump?

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[> Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump Problems


Author:
Eric Johnson
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 04, 3:48pm

Please disregard my earlier question. I got into the front end this a.m. and found out the source of the leak was a loose connection on the discharge of the power steering pump. Easy fix. Not related to drive belt tension.

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Subject: Leaky Roof A/C


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 10/ 04, 3:14am

I have a 1979 FC 35 with Three FrigiKing roof A/C units. The rear unit is leaking water into the bus when it operates. I climbed on the roof, removed the A/C cover, and pushed a small wire into the rubber tubes that end just near the fan. My home A/C guy told me that those tubes were probably plugged up. Although the leaking has gone down, it's still far from satisfactory. When I observe the rubber tubes, I see no water flowing through them. Also, the pan around the unit has a fair amount of water in it. I'm thinking that the water in that pan is following gravity through a hole and that the water should not be there in the first place. Any advice on how to solve the problem? Many thanks...Henry Claeys, McAllen, Texas, now near Corpus Christi, Tx, at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: ZF HP-500 transmission


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 4/ 04, 7:15pm

Looking to purchase a 1989 FC35 or SP 36 both have the ZF and have heard that parts and service may be difficult to locate?
Any info. about this tranny will be big help.

Also would like pros and cons on FC or Sp.
thanks
marvin

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Subject: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 04, 1:11pm

We recently purchased a 78 Bluebird Wanderlodge and have already had a couple of wonderful trips with the family. The previous owner used his bluebird very sparingly and was not able to show us how everything worked. (assuming it would) My question of the day: With the generator (an Onan 6.5) going should all the inside lights and switches work? Right now the electric plugs, fridge and AC work with the generator but not the built-in lights and lamps (they do when the engine is running and the switch on the dashboard is on). Also, do I need to do something special to get the hot water going? Is there an inverter somewhere in this system? Thanks, I'm approaching this with my limited (but, hopefully improving) skills.

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[> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 14/ 04, 6:13pm

Ok, I feel pretty stupid. Between an old manual and a phone call to Bruce I figured out this DC/AC system. My only remaining hurdle seems to be the electric hot water heater, which doesn't seem to work. Any troubleshooting advice for tracking down what is wrong would be appreciated. Thanks again.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 07/ 15/ 04, 1:48pm

There is a lighted on/off switch at the foot of the bed that turns on the power to the water heater. Also the water heater should heat water from the engine if the circulating pump is turned on. This pump is on a switch on the dashboard. With this pump on you should also be able to get heat out of the coach heaters located in each area.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 6:57am

I found the switch. It looks like it was squashed by a steel toed boot. I assume the switch on the dash is the auxillary pump switch. I'll try and trace down a part # for the heater switch and work from there. Thanks much for your help.

John Fitz
78 FC Diesel
MA

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 6:10pm

John: the heater switch is a standard house type 120 volt AC lighted on/off switch. You should be able to buy it in a hardware store or electrical supply. Just make sure the power to the coach is not plugged in when you change it.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 04, 1:11pm

Blue Bird wired the AC current to the hot water heater through a large DC relay above the hot water heater. The DC relay is grounded to an insulated screw on the water heater or in the plumbing fittings screwed into the water heater. The screw extends through the insulation and makes contact with the water in the heater grounding the relay and and allowing AC current to flow to the heater. The purpose of the relay is to prevent calrod burn out if the tank is empty which would break the ground, opening the relay and cutting off current. Make sure the tank has water and then attach the grounding wire to the chassis to insure the relay is working. All water heaters have a high temperature cut off switch which cuts off the AC current when the water temperature rises above 180. Since the water heater has a motor aid that runs coolent through the tank at 195 degrees the high temperature switch may be off and needs to be reset. You may also have a burnt out calrod heating unit. Get out your multimeter to test for current flow for all of the above.

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Subject: Steering modification and electrics


Author:
John Gibbins
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 04, 11:09pm

I will be retiring soon plan to come to the US buy a Bluebird, tour for about 6 months then ship back to Australia (home). Must be 96" not 102". I am an auto engineer and will convert steering to RHD. Anyone have any idea how much work is involved or is it fairly straight forward. Is there a US shop known who could do conversion just prior to shipping.
I would be interested in buying a Bluebird (range $20 to $50k)with excellent body, mechanical, brakes, diesel (no Cummins)and plumbing. All electrical, appliances, TV's etc unimportant as not 240 volt.

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Subject: Battery for generator being drawing down


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 5:48am

The battery for our onan NH series 6.5 is being drawn down by some mysterious source. Thanks to help from the forum, the engine is running beautifully and is charging the battery, but it sits for a day or two the battery is dead. The battery is new.

Thanks for any advice.

John Fitz
78 Bluebird diesel in MA

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Subject: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Butch Charpentier
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 04, 2:18pm

I have a 92 pusher with primus heat, and one of the cirulation pumps is dead. Does anyone know where to get one and what model and spec number to ask for? Also this is the type that runs off a Bosh relay. Another question, while we are on the subject, is how R&R the pump without having to tear out the boiler/s?

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[> Subject: Re: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 8:35pm

Contact Dupree Products @ 352 495 9459

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[> [> Subject: Re: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Butch Charpentier
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 04, 2:18pm

Wanted to thank you for the info. As it turns out Randy Dupree is a friend of mine, so I was able to pick up a couple of pumps. I figured as long as I was doing one I might as well do them both.
Tnx. again Butch

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Subject: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 2:11am

I have two questions: (1) Is it possible to keep the outside storage compartments, the "basement," water tight? (2) Where can I purchase the rubber gaskets surrounding the outside storage compartments? My mechanic was surprised to find that neither Auto Zone, O'Reilly's, True Value, nor a local R.V. supply store, had the gaskets. The supply store referred us to dealer of a different brand of motorhomes. We plan to go there on Friday and hopefully will find something that can be adapted. Any ideas? Thanks....Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35, McAllen, Tx., at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Maury Perkinson
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 04, 7:07pm

Hi, I ordered the gaskets from BB parts.Tough to put on but has worked. Jeff Miller I recall indicated he got his gaskets from other sources and he thought they were better. Might contact him. Guess you know about the Wanderlodge Forum?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 2:11am

Maury. Thanks for your answer. I found gaskets that we cut to size from Pep Boys. Each roll cost about $35.00 and it would take about 4 rolls to do all of the doors. I only purchased 3 rolls and did not seal the battery door nor the door where the propane tank is. I've never visited the Wanderlodge forum, but plan to do so ASAP. Thanks again...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35, at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Instrument Panel


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 4:47pm

I have an 83FC35 Wanderlodge and would like any help on how to remove the upper and lower instrument panel. The fuel guage is inoperative "pegged on empty" and the ammeter does not work.

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[> Subject: Re: Instrument Panel


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 07/ 1/ 04, 5:15pm

We have had a number of discussions concerning the fuel gauge on the http://wanderlodge.org site. Often the problems have turned out to be grounding problems or bad sending units.

Also a lot of help for taking out the instrument panels if you still need to do that.

You will find the members very helpful in finding answers concerning Birds.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 83 FC35RB

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[> [> Subject: Re: Instrument Panel


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 4:47pm

Thanks Bruce: Was able to remove the lower instrument panel and work on the fuel guage from there. discovered the fuel sending unit is shot. Hope to get it fixed at BB this fall. The ammeter has been replaced with some brand other than BB. It looks like the shunt is working ok have an instrument on the way from BB hope that cures the problem.

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Subject: New (to me) bluebird question(s)


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 3:13pm

I pulled in the driveway this morning with a 78 Bluebird Wanderlodge. I couldn't pass on the deal. I seem to have figured out most things, except water. I have an old bluebird manual, but I am still a bit lost. I closed all the valves, opened a faucet and began to fill the tank. There was a switch that read on/off so I flipped it on. There was no "commercial" water feed like there was in the manual. The faucets all seem to work, though I am not getting a read on the led display for water level, except for when I filled the tank with the switch reading off; in that case I got a 3/4 reading for "holding tank. With the generator on there was no discernible action or noise when I switched on the water pump. Does anyone have a clue what i should, or should not be doing as far as getting this system running properly. Aside from that everything is a charm--at least for the six hours I have owned her. Thanks for any help.

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Subject: Fluorescent Lights


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 04, 8:42am

I have asked RGM Industries to make a one time manufacturing run of their discontinued 21 inch fluorescent fixture which replaces the Marble Falls fixtures no longer available for 1980's PT models. ThinLite makes a 21 inch fixture but the end tabs are short and new holes must be drilled which is quite difficult for coaches with indirect mounting positions. RGM has asked for a run count to establish price. If manufactured, the RGM units will include the fixture chassis, sockets and inverter only, no frames, lens or bulb supplied. These fixtures take the standard F15T8 bulbs. Inverter only prices from this company are about $25, so the fixture price will be greater. If you are interested, call me at 580/564-3517. I believe a run count of 100 would likely get RGM's interest, I probably have a count of 50 already.

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Subject: has anyone heard of a blue bird model 193RE???


Author:
jimmy
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Date Posted: 06/ 30/ 04, 1:19am

hi guys just bought a blue bird 193RE diesel pusher 6v92 on ebay but the guy knopw nothing about can someone help me here please im in L.A and am flying to DC to pick her up and drive her back it hasnt been started in over a year but he says it runs well.......need to know where i can get some info on this bus its been turned into a motorhome and he says it from the 70,s.....

anyone who can help is an angle.....
323 385 4490 will send pic if you like

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Subject: Advice


Author:
Tim
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 6:02pm

I am thinking about buying a Wanderlodge 1982 with an almost new Cat diesel engine seems to be in pretty descent shape for around $14,000. Can you give me any other things to look for when I actually see it? Thanks


Tim

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[> Subject: Re: Advice


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 04, 1:16am

Sure sounds like a great price, but I'll tell you more or less what I was told, by other bluebird writers, when I purchased my 1979 FC 35 last year. "Plan to spend at least $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 on it." I haven't spent more than $1,000.00, but, to have perfection, I could easily spend at $5,000.00 to $10,000.00. I also have the advantage of living near the Mexican border where labor costs are lower. When I buy something that's used, I look to see if the most expensive stuff will likely last at least 5 years. Of course there's no way to know, but if those items have been worked on, or are new, you should have a good idea what their minimum lifetimes are. If no repairs have been made on those items, or unless they've been hardly used, then you'll have to plan on replacing those items within Five years. Figure what the cost of replacement of those items will be, then figure out if you can still afford the unit. Since the Cat engine is nearly new, and the price is low, that really weighs in favor of the vehicle, but the Trans and generator can be expensive too. This webite has a Checklist which is located to the left of this message, Eight items below the Vulture logo, which may be helpful. That's my two cents worth..Henry, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Advice


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 6:02pm

This seems like $20,000 - $30,000 low for a rig of that vintage in good to excellent shape. Suspect that you will spend the money one way or another. I would make sure the basics are covered, unless you are able to do restoration work yourself or have low expectations.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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Subject: Spotlight Lubrication / Maintenance


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 04, 3:47pm

Even though my spotlight is somewhat rusted, it works like new. Aside from keeping it clean, so it doesn't rust, what maintenance should be given to the light? Climbing on the roof is worth it if I know that there is an access point to service the light. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Door Solenoid


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 04, 12:27pm

The door lock/unlock solenoid on my 1980 FC35 failed. I have removed the solenoid but cannot find a manufacturer's name on it. Does anyone have a source for this?

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Subject: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 12/ 04, 9:41am

(1) I kept my 1979 35 FC parked by the ocean too long, and some of the chrome was destroyed. Where can I get the chrome central hub covers for the rear wheel hubs, and a spot light for the front roof top? (2) Are there any replacement products that are less likely to corrode, and, if so, where can I find them? Thanks for your help...Henry Claeys, 1.888.745.1439 and at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


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jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 5:54pm

You can get the rear wheel hubs at a comercial truck supply house. The spot light is a little pricey. It is made by ITT Jabsco, and can be purchased on line through a marine store such as west marine. The light can be re-chromed, but you have to take it apart and put it back together. A difficult task if you are not mechanical.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:34am

I appreciate the help. I'll give those places a try and see what luck I have. I believe the Bluebird manual has an item listing of rims on the bird and hopefully that will help. Thanks again...Henry, McAllen, Tx at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 2:50pm

I have a 1980 FC 35 and I had the same problem. I bought the axle hub caps for the rear wheels at Fleet Supply Co. in Long Beach, CA 562-428-3696. They are part # 339S1 and were $50.00 each. I replaced my spotlight with a new unit and kept the old metal parts if you want to have them rechromed I can send them to you. Contact me at my e-mail address.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


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Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 11/ 04, 9:41pm

Lucas: (1) I'll contact the Longbeach outfit. Thanks for the referral. (2) Did you replace your light with the same material as the original? (2) Perhaps I'm just dreaming, but I was interested in finding something tougher, less subject to rusting, since the item must be outdoors continiously. Is there such a material? (3) If such a replacement material doesn't exist, then I'd be interested in your leftovers so long as I can figure out how to get them rechromed. (4) I'll wait to hear from you...thanks for your response...Henry F. Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 12/ 04, 9:41am

I replaced the light with a new Jabsco light that was a little larger. It will eventually do the same thing unless I clean and wax it regularly, I have a boat so I am used to keeping stainless and chrome cleaned and polished. West Marine in their catolog has three pages of various remote controlled spot lights. Most of them are all plastic. You can also access them on the Web if you do not have a West Marine Store close to you.

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Subject: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 1:18am

I purchased my 1979 FC35 last July and just discovered that the built in blender actually works! The problem is, the glass or plastic Mixing cup is long lost. Does anyone know where to obtain a replacement cup? Is the manufacturer still in business and, if so, would they still sell the parts for that particular model? Are there cups from other manufacterers that would work properly?

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[> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:14pm

I looked it upon the internet. Go to Nutone.com to find a dealer in your area or a supplier such as Graybar.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 3:07am

Richard. Have you looked at Nutone's website? None of the product categories look to be anywhere close to one containing blenders. I'm going to go back and send an e-mail and see what happens. Thanks for letting me know that they are at least in busines. Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 04, 1:51pm

Yes I have Henry and I know that the blender is no longer a product they make. However, they do have parts dealers around the country, ours was in Seattle I think. As I recall, the blender cup was about $70.
Good luck
R.H. Hayden

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 04, 1:59pm

Yes I have Henry and I know that the blender is no longer a product they make. However, they do have parts dealers around the country, ours was in Seattle I think. As I recall, the blender cup was about $70.
Good luck
R.H. Hayden

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[> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Fritz
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Date Posted: 06/ 1/ 04, 11:15am


Henry,
Look here:
http://www.seattle.net/~nutoneinfo/
Fritz

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 04, 1:22pm

Fritz: The site you referred me to is good and I've written them an e-mail and will let you know how things work out. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 04, 1:23pm

Fritz: The site you referred me to is good and I've written them an e-mail and will let you know how things work out. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


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Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 1:18am

Fritz and everyone: I sent an e-mail through the website you gave me and got a call back from Ralph and he said the cup is $57.00 delivered and that he knew exactly the product that I needed without a part number. Thanks for the lead. I'll post another message after I get the cup to confirm that it really works....Henry F. Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: steering wheel


Author:
Ken Donovan
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 7:01am

I have an 83 FC 35 and the steering wheel has a leather covered steering wheel as oem.After 20 years the leather is deteriorating.Bluebird no longer has the part and they were unable to provide the vender.I have tried the lace up but they are unsatisfactory and appear unsafe while driving.Does anyone know the vender or found someone to recover the wheel?

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[> Subject: Re: steering wheel


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Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 7:01am

The oem manufacturer is Vehicle Improvement Products (VIP)and I believe your original VIP part number was BHBR2235. This wheel was still listed in their on-line catalog a year ago. I believe their web site is vipwheels.com. If the wheel is not shown in the catalog, contact them by phone and they will determine if there are any unsold models of your wheel still in inventory. I think its likely you will be able to get a new wheel.

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Subject: Aluminum Interior Front Windshield Cover


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 2:04am

Reviewing some of the photos on this bill board of birds for sale, I noticed that some have complete interior windshield covers that look to be portable, flexible, and silver like aluminum. Does anyone know where I can purchase one and how much it may cost? Thanks, Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Throttle Pedal


Author:
- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:54pm

I have a 1982 FC unit. Has any one had to replace the throttle pedal. The current one is mostly rubber and is rotten. I called BB, but they said all they have is a generic replacement and it did not work very well. Has anyone out there solved this problem?

Any help/suggestions appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


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Jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 04, 4:12pm

Bluebird sells a pedal. It is $80.00 though. I purchase a new one from Bluebird for my 82 because I did not want to go looking for an aftermarket. The throttle rod was soon comming through the top of the new pedal only a few months later. For a fix that has worked well I cut and then screwed 1/8"aluminum diamond plate on top of the pedal ( there is a metal strip sandwiched between the rubber) and put a small hose clamp around the rubber area that hold the throttle rod. It has worked great.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


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- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 04, 7:42pm

Thanks Jim. You confirm what BB told me that their current replacement was not working out very well. I think I may use your Idea on my old pedal.

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[> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:54pm

I had the same problem & my mechanic used a International Harvester pedel. He said it was older IHC. So you will need to find an IHC dealer that still stock old parts. If you have trouble finding such, conact me and I will put you in contact with my guy.

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Subject: need informations


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marc petrel
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 04, 2:15pm

i have a 3208 cat on my boat 425 hp and i need to know if in the united states i can found some parts to up the power engine sorry for my bad english i m french !!

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Subject: draperies


Author:
Gene Smith
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 04, 12:03pm

We are the third owner of our bird, which is a 1988. It probably has the original draperies in it and we have taken them to get them cleaned locally. It costs around $1.50 a pleat and we have over 140 pleates which is quite costly. The draperies do not have a cleaning tag or any other tag anywhere, however, they are lined with what appears a rubberized backing. Has anyone ever had theirs cleaned or washed. If so, what did they have done. We would appreciate any help we could get with this question. Thanks Gene & Betty Smith

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[> Subject: Re: draperies


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Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 04, 12:03pm

Call Muriel, who originally made your drapes, in Fort Valley, GA at 912-825-8483 and ask her how to clean the material.

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Subject: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:46am

I have a 1979 35FC with a Kohler 12.5KW diesel generator. There is a starter switch on the dashboard, and a second one above the kitchen sink, but neither switch works. Absolutely nothing happens when I push the switches, i.e., no clicking noises indicating power to the starter. I can manually start the generator, going directly from the battery to the starter, but it must be manually accelerated or else it will shut down. It sounds to me like I have an electrical problem. Any ideas what I should look for and where? Thanks for any help....Henry Claeys, McAllen, Texas 1.888.745.1439 or at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


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Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 05/ 10/ 04, 8:09am

Had the same problem with the 12.5 kw Kohler in my 1979 FC 35. Troubleshooting revealed broken off / corroded wire connections on the upright spade terminal connection strip in the regulator box. If yours is like mine, the regulator box is not very well protected from the elements. From your previous post I would suspect corrosion from the salt air environment as a cause of your problem?

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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[> [> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:40am

We found the problem. It was a shorted wire in the wire cluster along the steering column near the floor. I still haven't figured out what caused the problem...one step at a time...Henry Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 5:49pm

First make sure that the overcrank protection switch is not poped out. (red switch on front of the requlator box.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:46am

Thanks for your help. I had already checked those breakers/switches and they weren't the problem. As I mentioned in another posting, the probleme turned out to be a short in the wires found near the floor along the steering column. I still haven't figured out what the cause was, but if I do I'll post it. Thanks again..Henry Claeys, McAllen, Tx at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Installing Washer/dryer Splendide 2000S


Author:
Hank Hannigan
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 9:41am

Just bought subject washer at Camping World & they are scheduled to install it June 2, 04. Anyone with a 90SP36 ever install one and or have suggestions for me to discuss with installer at CW? Appreciate comments and suggestions before June 2. I did see a 90SP36 at Lazey Days in Fla with fittings in closet for washer/dryer...hope that seller gets this message.
Sincerely,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
In Chicago

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Subject: Door Lock


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 9:22am

Just came back from a 1000 mile trip in our 1980 FC35. After a very bouncy five hour run on US101 we could not open the door. Found the pins/screws to the upper door lock had backed out into the door frame preventing the door from opening, After climbing out the window, removing the screws in the outer door frame I was able force the frame over far enough to open the door. Reinstalled the pins/screws with lock tight to prevent reoccurrence.

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Subject: Fan Clutch


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 2/ 04, 6:29am

Does anyone know who makes the electric fan clutch for the 83 FC? I am trying to find a fan that will give me more cooling than the current stock 22" 8 blade.

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Subject: Battery Tap


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- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 04/ 26/ 04, 8:30pm

I'm back with another question! Both sets of batteries have a tap at the 6V point. Any idea of what this is used for? So far I haven located any 6v gear on the coach. (1982 FC) Looks like orginal wiring about #10 gage. Battery connections do not show on the wiring diagrams that I have. Thanks in advance for any help.

- Chuck -

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Subject: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


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Robert Cooley
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:03pm

Does anyone have any sources for financing vintage Bluebirds? I am considering a bird from the early to mid eighties and I am finding that most institutions will only go back to 1989. I am aware dealers have more options but I am looking at a couple of Birds on this board. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 20/ 04, 7:15pm

We have ours with our credit union. Strange- we had been with one bank for 12 years and with CU for2- got a better rate with CU and way less % interest. We are going to stay with CU, for sure

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


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Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:40am

We have financed our 79 35 ft FC and our 84 PT 40 with Ganis and they have had reasonable rates both times. They are real fussy about credit ratings though. give them a try

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


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DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:01pm

I FINANCED MY 83 PT40 WITH USAA BANK,, IF YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO JOIN, AND GO THROUGH THEM. DAY,,,

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


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DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:03pm

I FINANCED MY 83 PT40 WITH USAA BANK,, IF YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO JOIN, AND GO THROUGH THEM. DAY,,,

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Subject: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
Hershel
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 8:49pm

Can anyone provide me with the Pros and Cons on a 1984 PT40?

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[> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 21/ 04, 7:42am

I have an 83 PT40- I wish I had all the gauges that an 84 does. They are wonderful machines and will last a lifetime. No cons that I know of. What shape is it in?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 8:49pm

HI,,, I JUST GOT AN 83 IN DEC 2003. I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU LIKE YOURS, AND HOW IT HAS BEEN HOLDING UP. I BELIEVE MY ENGINE WAS OVERHAULED IN THE LAST 4 YEARS (I SPOKE TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER WHO HAD IT FOR 17 YEARS). IT STARTS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY,,, IN ONLY ONE ENGINE REVOLUTION IT KICKS OFF. DOES THAT GIVE ANY INDICATION TO YOU IF IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION??? THIS IS MY FIRST DIESEL, SO I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT AT ALL. HAVE YOU EVER CHANGED THE FILTERS IN THE HYDRAULIC FAN AND STEERING SYSTEM?? ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL ME ON HOW YOURS RUNS, AND WHAT I CAN EXPECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. DAY,,,

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[> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 28/ 04, 9:35am

I have owned a 1984 PT 40 for three years now andlove it. You must understand the the 84 PT40 was bestowed with a lot of systems that ocasionally get a little complicated. You must also know that the rig is 20 years old and no matter how well it was taken care of, things will begin going wrong ie, refrig, hot water heater, belts & hoses etc. The best thing to do when obtaining a coach this old is to plan and schedule systematic preventitive maintenance and parts replacement. this will eventually check out all systems.
ON the up side, the coach is a real beauty! It rides and drives like a dream and certainly is pleasent living!!
Harvey Lawrence

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Subject: Covers


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 04/ 19/ 04, 5:16pm

Any suggestions on what is the best cover for a 1982 Bird. We just bought it and don't have inside storage. This unit has the original paint which is in excellent condition so I am assuming it has always been stored inside.

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Subject: Air Fitting


Author:
Chuck
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 04, 6:17pm

Does anyone know what size the female air fitting in the left side storage area on a 82FC is? I have tried several from NAPA and Tractor supply and the all seem to be to small or to large.

Thanks for any help.

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 04/ 4/ 04, 5:50pm

I use a standard Milton-style fitting, I am not sure of the size (3/8?). Push it in, it will fit, you don't need to hold the collar back (one-handed fitting).

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[> [> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


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Chuck
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 04, 6:25pm

Thanks! I don't think I have found a 3/8 fitting. They were either 1/4 or 1/2 inch. I will look some more.

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 04, 1:41pm

Someone may have changed the original fitting on your Coach to a non standard, but if you go to Wal Mart you can get a standard Campbell Hausfield air Chuck fitting, and it should be a direct replacement, and any standard fitting will fit. The chuck has a 1/4" female pipe thread. I had to replace the one on my Coach as it was leaking, and that was what I did.

L. Longcrier
M1894@AOL.com

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 04, 1:44pm

Someone may have changed the original fitting on your Coach to a non standard, but if you go to Wal Mart you can get a standard Campbell Hausfield air Chuck fitting, and it should be a direct replacement, and any standard fitting will fit. The chuck has a 1/4" female pipe thread. I had to replace the one on my Coach as it was leaking, and that was what I did.

L. Longcrier
M1894@AOL.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


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- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 04, 6:17pm

Thanks all! It was a Standard 1/4 inch fitting. Some how the first one I got was different even though it was in a 1/4 inch package. All set to go thanks for your help. Got this coach after 27 years with a Holiday. I have a lot to learn. Sure I will be back with more questions!

- Chuck -

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Subject: Water system not priming


Author:
Steve O
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/ 04, 8:50am

I have replaced the Jabsco water pump in my 87 35FC and I still cannot get water out of the faucets. I cant figure out if its a priming problem or if a check valve is messed up? Shore water works fine but there is no pressure past the water purifier, which by the way needs replacing too, does anyone know where to get one of these?
Wondering if my water lines are clogged up? sounds unlikely but I have run out of ideas.
Thanks.

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[> Subject: water system


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 01/ 12/ 04, 7:53am

You are correct in assuming the filter is suspect. start by changing that first or by passing it entirley, on a temporary basis. You probably get shore water through the clogged filters because it is under greater pressure than the pumped water from your tank. If after replacing the filters your system does not work as it should then continue on to the check valve or possibly the pressure control unit sometimes in theline.Anyway check the simple stuff first.
Harvey

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[> [> Subject: Re: water system


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/ 04, 8:50am

I had the same problem on my 1980 FC35. The pump would run but would take a long time to build up pressure and make a lot of noise while running. I proved it was a supply line problem by using a small hose to the pump from a bucket, it worked fine. I then tried to blow out the line to the tank with air, a slight improvement but no cure. Upon inspection I found a galvanized coupling on the output on the tank going forward to the pump. I removed the fitting and found it completely clogged with rust. Changed the fitting to a brass coupling and cured the problem, now the pump works great and is so quiet is is hard to hear it run. I found one more of these galvanized couplings in the output of the pump and it had also started to build up rust, changed them both.

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 04, 1:12pm

I had the same problem when I first got my 84. The water fill inlet switch was not closing the bypass valve. I rebuilt the valve and installed a new switch. (Problem Solved).

L Longcrier

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 04, 7:05am

You can purchase a new water purifier by calling Pure Water Enterprises at 318/439-4570. If by some chance you purifier is by Astro Pure call 954/832-0630. You can also call Blue Bird parts at 800/495-7787

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Lucas Wwillemse
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 04, 10:17am

Check the hose inlet to fill the tank, unless the cap is tight and sealed with a good washer the pump will suck air instead of water and will not prime.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 02/ 11/ 04, 9:04am

If the pump is pulling water from the hose inlet then you have other problems, possibly the (sporlan) fill valve is not shutting off. It should pump fine with no cap on the hose inlet.

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 4:49pm

I had the same problem on my '81 FC. Both the Sporlan valve and the hot water tank drain valve were bad. Actually, both of there valves have the same effect and neither can be in open position when the pump is to provide water because the pump is simply returning water to the tank. Both of these valves are expensive from BB. I solved my problem by replacing the hot water valve with a ball valve and did away with the Sporlan. Naturally, the fill switch no longer works w/o the Sporlan so I added a short brass rod from the ball valve handle through a small hole I drilled to the utility compartment.

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Subject: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 5:10pm

1982 FC 35'..the squirrel cage motor in the heater located under the Queen bed needs replacing..The heater is NT12F and my local parts dealer tells me I cannot get them and wants $600.oo plus to put in a new heating unit.My question is does anyone know of a supplier or have one lying around..Many thanks and Happy Holidays

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 03, 11:34am

It would be helpful if you gave a little more information, like brand names and model numbers. There is a dealer who operates an RV scrap yard. It is Colaw RV Parts & Salvage 10389 Cimarron Rd. Carthage MO Phone 417 548 2125 or E mail colawrvsalvage.com These folks have a huge field of RV,s they get parts from.It is quite likely they will have what you want or a substitute
Harvey Lawrence

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[> [> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 03, 4:00pm

Harvey..many thanks for your imput..have called Bluebird, Suburban(the mfg), and your Salvage Yard in Mo..apparently they quit making this model sometime ago(so what else is new), and although some motors are still available, this particular one has offset shafts..and Colaw did not have that type..so, unless by some miracle, someone comes up with the right one, I'll be forced to spend the money for a new furnance..
Happy Holidays

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 03, 4:30pm

I have a couple of old (dead) furnaces from that era, are you sure it is an NT-12 and not an NT-16? I think that the ones I have are NT-16s (16,000 BTU) which were the standard furnace. I'll check.

Anyway, email me with your shipping info and I'll try to pull a motor out around the middle of next week if they're the same model (or will work), just pay for shipping and I'm happy.

Otherwise, the current furnaces are pretty much a drop-in fit (close anyway), and some "scratch and dent" stuff can be found for much less money, www.ronthebusnut often has some.

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 5:10pm

I needed to replace our mid unit. I was able to use the unit that Suburban now offers with their exhaust and intake extension units. They come in 2 or 3 different sized so measure before you order. You're stuck with the shortie that comes with the new unit and the old one wouldn't work im my case. The only comment I can make is that the new unit is quite a but louder than the old one.

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Subject: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Jeff Howard
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:33am

Having problem with the cruise control engaging. Worked fine for one trip but will not work now. Gentleman @ rally stated that there was an air valve that may be suspect. Anyone with information, please reply. Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 21/ 04, 7:45am

Jeff- what coach do you have? I had an air leak on my PT40, cleaned the valve and it works fine now. Some of the coaches have trouble with low voltage to the module. If this happens you can run a wire to the battery via solenoid.

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:33am

jeff I had the same problem with my 1984 PT 40 and found that my alternator had stopped working and was allowing the volage to dip low. as soon as I fixed the alternantor the cruise control worked Also had to repair the air valave back there as it was leaking.

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Subject: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 03/ 16/ 04, 7:52am

I am considering replacing the fan blades on my 1985 FC 250hp that has a Horton air clutch, for more air flow. Does anyone have experience with the new non metal blades for improved cooling. I'm replacing the core, and adding another row for more capacity.
Thank You, JWR yak5225@aol.com

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[> Subject: Re: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 15/ 04, 8:27am

Horton makes a plastic Windmaster fan, you will need to measure: bold circle, pilot diameter, fan offset. It is claimed to use less energy and move more air.

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[> Subject: Re: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
8harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 16/ 04, 7:52am

You should get good results with the new fan. Are you having a heating problem or just want to modify. Another thing you can do is put an on/off switch on the dash so you can cut the fan off when pulling hills. you get a HP boost if you do this, but have to carefully watch the heat.
Harv

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Subject: Right Angle Air Intake Cover


Author:
David Hanvy
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 04, 3:37pm

I just purchased a 1989 WB with the 8V92. I lost the air intake cover which fits on top the coach (some where in west Texas I suspect). Any clues where to look in the Houston TX area for a replacement on an ASAP basis ? Freightliner was no help.

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Subject: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
jay
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 04, 5:12am

I am looking at a 1984 Bluebird FC35. Does the front location of the engine produce that much interior noise? Is it possible for the driver and navigator to talk at normal levels while driving? I have an F250 diesel and while I hear the engine, it's not that loud in the cab.

Thanks for the advice.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 04, 9:58am

The easiest way I sum up the engine sound level in the turbo FC is that you can converse with the co-pilot easily, but can't easily "evesdrop" on conversations behind you in the salon.

Different things affect that level, I insulated my '88 to the point where I could easily hear conversations behind me, but if the original sound isulation is in rough condition and low-grade carpet has been used up front it will be louder.

It is quieter in the cabin than our Ford Conversion van (gas engine) is at full-chat.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Robert Britton
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Date Posted: 03/ 2/ 04, 8:09pm

I have an 87FC, the motor noise is not bad at all, in fact i like being able to hear the engine, it just sounds good to me - purrs like a kitten. I have a power stroke engine in my E350 van and i would say the bluebird is quieter. There is some wind noise but not as much as other motorhomes i have driven, in fact my 87FC is much quieter over all than a 1997 Country Coach that i drove.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Crittenden Bliss
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 04, 5:12am

I find my FC to be much quieter than a front engine gas coach, the road noise is louder than the engine. The suction fan for the radiator is pretty loud when it comes on but thats because it does such a good job cooling. Futhermore, a PT is going to cost 3-4 times more to maintain with little benifit. The engine makes no noise when parked.

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Subject: Cold Weather


Author:
Charles Wheeler
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Date Posted: 01/ 29/ 04, 4:40pm

We are looking at some older BB FC units in the 1976 to 1983 range. We spend a lot of time in cold weather (teens)visiting family. My wife wants a rear bedroom floorplan. With all the glass in the back can these units keep warm in cold weather?

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[> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 01/ 14/ 04, 5:17pm

I can't speak for the '76, but I've had a '77 and '83 (among others) and heat has never been a problem.
You don't want to lay against the glass, good drapes or blinds help to avoid draft, but at 5F I was able to keep plenty warm with the LP furnaces while dry-camping in WI.
If you're plugged in, most coaches in this range also have four electric heaters to save on LP.

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[> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
L.Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 04, 2:09pm

We are currently Full timing in a 1984 35FC. So far we have spent winters in Colorado and Missouri. There has been no problem keeping warm. We insulate the water hook up, which you would have to do no matter what unit you have. The first three years we did nothing to the coach, but three years ago I decided to skirt the unit, and the floors stayed much warmer. I installed snaps along the bottom of the coach and the wife made some skirting from canvas with a loop along the bottom edge. We snap them in place, and put 1 1/2" pvc pipe in the bottom loop to hold them down in a wind. With a 100 watt lght bulb under the dump tanks nothing freezes. (pick a nice colour to go with the coach) It even gives the coach a nice appearance.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 29/ 04, 4:40pm

Mike McMahan in Waco has that arrangement on his 89 PT40. He said that his skirt snaps all the way around. That would sure keep everything warm. I bet it was a chore to make all that. Stay warm Ernie in Texas

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Subject: Model letters


Author:
Mark Maass
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Date Posted: 01/ 15/ 04, 7:38pm

As I research info about different models, is there a source somewhere that I can learn the different model letters, ie. FC, BM, SP. What do they and any others that exist mean? Does anyone know where I can get a list?

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[> Subject: Re: Model letters


Author:
Kathy
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Date Posted: 01/ 15/ 04, 7:38pm

Check the history page on this site. It has lots of information just under the picture at the top of the page.

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Subject: Panelfold door handle/latch


Author:
Ron
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Date Posted: 01/ 14/ 04, 7:57am

I have a 1984 35' wanderlodge. The door handle on the panelfold door between the dinning area and sleeping area broke. I contacted panelfold and described it to them. I asked them if they wanted digital photos and they did not. They ended up sending me the wrong type of handle. DOes anyone know another source for these handles or perhaps the handle model I might need.

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Subject: 40 footer questions


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 01/ 12/ 04, 8:10am

We have owned a 1977 & 1987 FC35 and enjoyed both. Now want to move up to a widebody 40footer. $100k about our limit, which I'm guessing puts me in a '91 or older. Does anyone have experience/comments on the following:

Did WB start in 1988 - all units made?
When did 5 speed tranny start? Are they worth the extra over an older 4 speed?
While both my FC35's had a screen door - I have never seen one on the front entry, 40 fters. Does anyone do this as an aftermarket option?
Any peculiarities on these years that one should know about - and either avoid or search for?

All comments are appreciated.
Thank You.

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[> Subject: changes in a bird


Author:
Harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 01/ 12/ 04, 8:10am

although you might find the extra width a pleasure for living purposes, it is an additional thing you must carefully watch while driving,Especially in construction ares.
If you will go to the History pages on this net you can find the answers to most of your questions concerning tranny gears etc.
Harv

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Subject: Heater Blower Motor


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 04, 11:42am

I have a 1980 FC35, the heater blower motor and fan for one side is vibrating badly, I have checked the unit and the fan is loose on the hub. Is this 2 speed motor and or fan available?
Thank You

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Subject: Dingy Recommendation


Author:
Bill Schmitt
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 03, 8:02am

I have bought my first coach, a 1989 36SP.

I know realize that I cannot tow my 02 2WD Yukon without going with a transmission disconnect.

What experiences do you have with towed vehicles. I am currently looking at a Hundayi (sp) Santa Fe, CRV, Honda Pilot and Chev 4 WD Trailerblazer. We will be traveling with a Lab and a Doberman, so we need to transport dog crates in the towed vehicle.

Any advice and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Dingy Recommendation


Author:
George Witt
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Date Posted: 11/ 20/ 03, 3:41pm

Honda has their own transmission design. Honda automatic transmissions can be towed safely with a little knowledge and some special procedures. This makes them a favorite toad. All you need is a towbar.
I've specialized in Honda cars for over 20 years and have my own shop.
www.georgewitt.com
Hope this helps.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Dingy Recommendation


Author:
Dave and Laurie
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 03, 8:02am

What model Honda (s) do you suggest. We just purchased a 33'FC. We are just starting to look into this. Any other info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave

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[> Subject: Re: Dingy Recommendation


Author:
Jim Scoggins
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 03, 11:55am

Take a close look at Jeep Cherokee.
Easy to tow, connect and disconnect.
Should be enough room enternally for your dog boxes.



Regards
Jim Scoggins
1986 PT40
1991 Jeep Wrangler

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[> Subject: Re: Dingy Recommendation


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 03, 4:37pm

Considering what it costs to trade vehicles, it is probably cheaper to have a drive shaft disconnect installed and you get to keep your Yukon. A fair bit of weight, there are lighter vehicles, but the SP will do it. You are probably well advised to buy towed-vehicle brakes also with a breakaway, and a heavy-duty towbar such as the Roadmaster Blackhawk (8,000lbs cap.).

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Subject: 500,000 miles a myth?


Author:
Ray Elliott
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Date Posted: 11/ 18/ 03, 9:32am

I am considering buying a 36'SP, but after reading the billboard, it seems that even though most (all) of the used Bluebirds have less than 500,000 miles on them, about half of those advertised mention new or overhauled engines. If so many of them fail to reach even 150,000 miles, what is the reason? Harvey's column indicates that with good care, they should go 500,000 miles. What is the problem (or problems) that are most often the reason for not getting more miles before an overhaul is required? One owner mentioned a "dry" start as the reason for failure. What is a dry start?

Ray

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[> Subject: Re: 500,000 miles a myth?


Author:
Gerry McGowan
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 03, 6:17pm

The Cat 3208 engine used in the SP36 and FC35,33,31 is a 100,000 mile or so engine. Very expensive maintainence is required to exceed this figure. It also requires oil changes at every 5000 miles or less. It cannot be easily rebuilt as it uses no cylinder liners. Its one saving grace is that it is cheap and remanufactured engines are available for around $7000 (several year ago). It is considered a disposable commodity.

The long lived engines are the 6V92 and 8V92 Detroit Diesels used in the PT40 models. These are 300-500,000 mile engines when maintained and used regularly. They are very popular in the trucking industry and these figures are not picked out of thin air. The biggest problem with all Bluebirds is lack of use. Letting an engine sit for 11 months a year does not contribute to long life. 20 year old engines with 60,000 miles on them are not unusual in Bluebirds. These will probably not last 100 years to reach 300,000 miles.

I like the SP36, but the Cat 3208 is not a feature to make it desirable. Having had a FC35 and a PT40, I will take my PT40 with its 6V92 every time.

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[> Subject: Re: 500,000 miles a myth?


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 03, 6:58am

I disagree strongly with Mr. McGowan's opinion, and have driven several at well over the 100,000mile mark which were healthy and a fraction of the maintenance of the DD 92-series. There are many Cat 3208 turbos out there with more than 200,000miles and lots of life left, and lots of DD 92-series engines out there that died long before 100,000miles, for the same reason being neglect.
It is my experience that the 3208 Cat does not die, it is killed. It is however unusual to find a motorhome with over 250,000miles on an original engine, Wanderlodge or not.
In addition to being more efficient and cheaper to run and maintain, the 2800rpm 3208 has a more useable power band than the 2100rpm DD engine and therefore mates well to its 5-speed automatic.
Both engines need the same type of maintenance to live long lives, it just costs much more to keep the 92-series going than it does the 3208 and I don't feel like putting that many Iraqis through college.
Having had several 3208 Cats, 210hp, 250hp, and 300hp, they are great engines for motorhome use and will last hundreds of thousands if properly maintained. They should be driven regularly as should any engine, the oil and coolant must be properly maintained, and a diesel can not be driven without risking damage if it has a problem with oil, coolant, fuel, etc.
The 3208 can easily be rebuilt, main and rod bearings can be replaced without removing the engine and parts are around $250 from Caterpillar. Cylinder damage is an out-of-frame job though and sleeves are available, the more economic repair if you damage a cylinder however is to buy a remanufactured engine once the old engine is out.
The main killers of either engine would be:
Insufficient coolant or improper coolant (overheating, cavitation pitting, or corrosion) including running with a burst hose.
Inadequate Oil.
Running with a bad injector: Unlike the DD engine, the 3208 can run with one "dry" cylinder without damage, but an overfueling injector will overheat a cylinder in either engine and eventually destroy the piston/cylinder.
Abuse: Turning up the governor to overspin, turning up the rack to overfuel, or general hard-running when cold and lugging will certainly also shorten the life.

Preventative maintenance in a diesel includes periodic valve adjustments, a good time to have the injectors checked, have the timing and governor settings checked, and if smoke or low power is a problem having the rack set is also a good idea. I also believe in periodic oil analyses, the trend from these analyses will help to predict future maintenance.

On the wanderlodge.org website with about 800 members at the time, we did a survey into how many owners had suffered catastrophic failures of the 3208. We had around a dozen failures reported, the most common being fuel system problems in coaches which were left un-used for long periods (years in some cases).

Feel free to contact the owners on the wanderlodge.org website with the same question, we are almost 1,000members strong at this point and should be able to give a statistically significant number of responses. More important will be the previous owners' maintenance and the condition of the engine.

For me, I will continue to recommend the 3208Ta powered Wanderlodges as I feel strongly that they are more economical to own and operate if you don't need the additional power of the 8V92 engine. For full-timers who want or need the additional space of the tag-axle models, the additional cost of the big DD is necessary.

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[> Subject: Re: 500,000 miles a myth?


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 03, 6:25pm

We are the 4th owner of our 84 Pt36. I bought it over the internet after seeing a ton of pics and the fact the bird had a new DD6V92 engine. The bird had only 123,000 miles on it when the engine was replaced. Turns out the previous owner had more money than brains. He blew a radiator hose, the bells and whistles on the dash went off and he thought that meant that he had to take it in for service soon. $20,000 later, he sold it to me. Methinks a lot of these problems are the fault of the owner, not the fact the engine has a problem at 100k miles.

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[> Subject: Re: 500,000 miles a myth?


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 11/ 18/ 03, 9:32am

I do not agree that the 3208 cat is a 100,000 mile engine or that it is all that expensive to take care of. I had one. If the valves are adjusted along with the timing etc. every 40,000 miles and the oil and filters changed the engine should easily do well over 200,000, at which time it would be smart to do a lower end bearing replacement ($1500)
and she would be ready for another 200,000. Most of the engines, both 3208 cat and 6V92 8V92 Detroits that need rebuilding or replacing are the fault of human mistakes and screw ups or just plain neglect.My 6V92 was destroyed by a mechanic who put too much oil in it when changing the oil. The engine began running on the crankcase oil and with nothing to stop it it ran away and blew up. Both the detroits and the cats are darn good engines, too bad they dont have darn good humans to care for them.
Harvey

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Subject: Rear Springs


Author:
Gene Chaude
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 03, 3:06pm

Hello, I have a 1977 33'FC. I just put a new set of tires on the rear and got a good look at the rear springs. To my surprise they have actually rolled over and gone negative. My parts manual says the springs should be 11 leaf, but the installed springs are 13 leaf. I contacted BB there is a 13 leaf and a 15 leaf spring available. We did the front springs a couple of years ago ( 13 leaf ), and the rears on the bus are about 8 years old. Anyone else been down this road. Which spring are you running? why? and what are your results. Thanks Gene Chaude

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Subject: Interior Vinyl


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 03, 10:07pm

I have a 1982 FC Wanderlodge. Have done alot of major mechanical stuff on the old Bird in the last two years, including a major motor overhaul..Am presently, redoing the interior. Have cut down and reupholstered the dinette to make more room(as previously suggested in this forum)..ripped out the carpet, replacing with Pergo wood laminate(with insulating foam between for noise reduction)..installed ceramic and new toliet in the sidebath..all this for starters..my question to the group has to do with the vinyl wall covering (grooved) that covers interior sidewalls and ceilings..has anyone any experience in covering or painting these surfaces???..I'd like to change the color(s) prior to having the couch and chairs redone in the LR..Any suggestions appreciated..Many thanks for all the help this forum has been in the past..Have gotten many great ideas from the membership..

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[> Subject: Re: Interior Vinyl


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 03, 1:34pm

The interior vinyl can be dyed, look here:
http://store.yahoo.com/yourautotrim-store/semdye.html
There is a technique, not difficult to master though. I have done several dashboards, seats, booth, etc. at this point and consider it very durable on vinyl.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Interior Vinyl


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 03, 2:45pm

Thanks Jeff..I'll check out the site..any other suggestions appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Interior Vinyl


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 03, 8:24am

Biff,
I am one of those that was dis-satisfied with the configuration of the original dinette. Last year we removed most of the original and made a table/chair setup that works better for us. In addition, the vinyl in our dinette was beyond the cleanup or minor repair stage. We replaced the wall covering with short nap commercial grade carpet material. This covering method is difficult. Even the thinnest most pliable of carpeting is difficult to "tuck in" around the windows and door. The big "but" here is positive though. We are very satisfied with the results. The carpet material allows for color variation, texture variation, allows the removal of the plastic retaining strips, and is warmer than the cool vinyl.
Previous owners of this coach had made some cabinette and table changes in the salon. Unfortunately not all of their handiwork was less than professional. As a result, the curbside wall vinyl has suffered and is unsightly (not everyone is as critical as myself, but I am the one that has to look at it every day.)I am in the process of replacing the curbside wall covering at this time. This proceedure is not one everyone is interested in as there are many who want to retain their coaches "original". I am less of a purist, and although I love the quality and workmanship of my bird there are a lot of things that were done in 1979 that can be done better nowdays. If you are interested in technique let me know and we can continue this off line.


Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa

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[> [> Subject: Re: Interior Vinyl


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 03, 10:07pm

Steve,
I am interested in your process..like you, I am not a purist in the strict sense of the word..my e-mail addy is travelinbiff2000@yahoo.com..I see you are in Poulsboro, I am in Woodland..let's chat !!

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Subject: SERIAL NUMBER VIN


Author:
TOM DRESSLER
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 03, 7:54pm

OTHER THAN WINDSHIELD AREA DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE VIN SERIAL NUMBER ON A 1975 FC35? THANKS,TOM

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[> Subject: Re: SERIAL NUMBER VIN


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 09/ 28/ 03, 9:18am

Tom,
There should be a coach information plate on the bulkhead, facing outward, just above the hinges for the doghouse cover. Simply lift up and out, the tray between the driver and passenger seats. Included on this plate, in addition to the VIN number, should be the BB coach/chassis number, the front and rear axle, and brake shoe information.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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[> Subject: Re: SERIAL NUMBER VIN


Author:
P Savoy
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Date Posted: 11/ 4/ 03, 10:23am

Get the vin # off the title. If you don't have a title get a duplicate title by using your license plate number in the state it was issued. Just a thought , hope it helps.

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[> Subject: Re: SERIAL NUMBER VIN


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 03, 7:54pm

You won't find a 17-character VIN in your '75, BlueBird didn't assign them back then. The body number is forward of the engine-cover table above the doghouse hinges, there is another identification plate on the left side of the steering column base with capacity information I believe. BlueBird's VIN in later years began with 1BB and ended with the body number (without the F prefix) and some states require you to make up the rest, you can consult:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/TORONTO/VIN/bluebird.html
if you need to make one up to generally fit the BlueBird VIN.

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Subject: Ford gas engine 535 cu in 1975 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
P Savoy
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Date Posted: 11/ 4/ 03, 10:38am

Anyone using a Ford 535 cu in gas engine in thier Bluebird???? I am in need of the correct timing mark setting and points setting and plug gap. I have tuned my engine by ear and i get about 10 mpg in Louisiana. However it sometimes sputters on on take off ( I have to sort of pump it a bit to get the rpms up fast).

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Subject: Wheelbase


Author:
Matt
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 03, 6:20pm

Hello all. I was hoping someone could provide insight on the smaller (less then 50%) wheelbase on the older (mid-80's FC BBs. I continue to debate what coach I want, and one of the options is a mid-1980s FC with the 250hp Cats. The RVorg and others have told me anything less then 52% wheelbase ration can be dangerous. Any thoughts from those who have owner a multitude of wheelbases? I appreciate the input.

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[> Subject: Re: Wheelbase


Author:
Matt
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 03, 9:01pm

Forgot to mention the coachs I have been looking at are the 31-33 footers...thanks again,
Matt

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[> Subject: Re: Wheelbase


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 29/ 03, 9:27am

Matt
May I respectfully suggest that your research into wheel bases on Blue Birds is a waste of time as they are anything but dangerous! oh In what way are you afrid of wheel bases being dangerous? Too short a turning Radius?too long a tail overhang? I am curious.
The Mid 80's FC 31,33,and 35 ft. bluebirds are very nice units and they ride well because of the air bag suspension.
and their cost is moderate, usually in the 30 to 40 K range.
Harvey Lawrence

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[> Subject: Re: Wheelbase - Length Myth


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 03, 4:55pm

For starters, I suggest you go here:
http://www.motorhomereviewonline.com/wheelbase_length.htm
to read a more objective opinion about length-wheelbase.
I have had an FC31 which is both the shortest wheelbase and the smallest percentage wheelbase (52%). I currently have my 4th Wanderlodge, and have driven many others.
To say that the Wanderlodge is more stable than the "sticks-n-staples" motorhome crowd can even imagine sums up my feelings after selling my Holiday Rambler years ago. When I'm rolling past fiberglass motorhomes I try to give them plenty of room so that I don't blow them onto the shoulder as I know what it is like to drive those motorized trailers.

The mass of the Wanderlodge, the full heavy-duty suspension and tires that the wannabe pushers don't have, the radiused roof edges (a-la Airstream) all contribute to its outstanding cross-wind and truck-wake manners, it must be experienced.

The Wanderlodge is the safest motorhome on the road not only because if its ability to sustain a collision, but also because of its stability, which helps to maintain control and prevent a collision.

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[> Subject: Re: Wheelbase - Length Myth


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 03, 4:56pm

For starters, I suggest you go here:
http://www.motorhomereviewonline.com/wheelbase_length.htm
to read a more objective opinion about length-wheelbase.
I have had an FC31 which is both the shortest wheelbase and the smallest percentage wheelbase (52%). I currently have my 4th Wanderlodge, and have driven many others.
To say that the Wanderlodge is more stable than the "sticks-n-staples" motorhome crowd can even imagine sums up my feelings after selling my Holiday Rambler years ago. When I'm rolling past fiberglass motorhomes I try to give them plenty of room so that I don't blow them onto the shoulder as I know what it is like to drive those motorized trailers.

The mass of the Wanderlodge, the full heavy-duty suspension and tires that the wannabe pushers don't have, the radiused roof edges (a-la Airstream) all contribute to its outstanding cross-wind and truck-wake manners, it must be experienced.

If a Wanderlodge is anything but stable, its maintenance has been neglected

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[> [> Subject: Re: Wheelbase - Length Myth


Author:
Matt
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 03, 6:20pm

Thanks for the link - and the thoughts. O.K. I am convinced they are safe...at least safer than the stick and staple. Now...how many man hours tinkering can I anticipate? Probably a thought for another thread...

Thanks again,
Matt

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Subject: 1975 BWL need heater fans and speed o meter cable


Author:
Palmer Savoy
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Date Posted: 10/ 29/ 03, 9:17am

I am looking for replacement fans for my 75 wonderlodge 12VDC propane heaters. Also looking for a replacement speed ometer cable set (there are 2 cables a short and a long). Finnally, I am in need of the Primer type paint used by factory on the galvanize metal. My Paint is peeling and the peeled chips have a slight acid smell to them. P Savoy 337 235 0398 or psavoy@bellsouth.net

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[> Subject: Re: 1975 BWL need heater fans and speed o meter cable


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 29/ 03, 9:17am

I suggest going to the original manufacturer for the fan motors..they will fit easier. Try Suburban Mfg. co PO box 399 Dayton TN 37321 phone 615 775 2131. As for the speed ometer cables you can take the old ones down to a good automotive parts place that has been in business a long time and they might make you a new one. Let your fingers do the walking through the yellow pages.
On the acid smell on the paint chips that would be correct.the Steel is zinc coated and the atmosphere will cause it to oxidize quickly. When it does the oxidation keeps paint from sticking very well. Therefore acid is used to prepare fro painting to defeat the oxidation.
Harvey Lawrence VB8 F7444

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Subject: L.E.D.Tail Lites


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 03, 6:03pm

I have just finished installing L.E.D. lights from B/B (part #s 0053071 amber $43.06, 0053069 red stop/tail $37.04 [red have less leds]) Has any one used a decoration to cover the unpainted areas. My base cream buffed out fairly well. Feathering the red in will be tough.
Thanks Jack Richardson

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[> Subject: Re: L.E.D.Tail Lites


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 03, 6:03pm

Jack: In what year and model coach were the L.E.D. lights installed.

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Subject: Propane Systems


Author:
Bob Foster
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 03, 9:21am

Is there a shutoff valve for the propane system (other than at the tank) on an '84 40PT?

When I was looking at the coach the stove and furnaces worked fine. During the drive home I tried the stove and it would start with a 1 inch high flame and immediately drop to about a 1/4 inch flame. The furnaces now will not light.

The propane tank is full and the tank valve is open.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Propane Systems


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 10/ 03, 5:05pm

Bob, there is a propane control box close by the refer. On my 83PT40 it is under the booth by the aisle. Mine had some dirt in it. i took it apart and cleaned it and the green light came on. This controls the propane and is the electric shutoff. Hope this help, Ernie Ekberg in Texas

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[> [> Subject: Re: Propane Systems


Author:
harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 03, 10:27am

there is an automatic propane shut off device in the refer compartment as erinie says. on my 84 the reset button is down in the lower corner of the dinette cove. push it in and you have reset the gas emergency trip.when reset you should have a green pilot light come on.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Propane Systems


Author:
Bob Foster
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 03, 9:21am

Thanks to both Ernie and Harvey. That was the problem. I looked at that several times and thought it was just a sensor. I have not cleaned the valve yet but it is on the todo list.

Thanks again. Robert Foster, Seattle, Washington.

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Subject: cat na3208 replace or repair?


Author:
Mark Johnston
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Date Posted: 10/ 12/ 03, 12:43pm

I broke the crank in my cat 3208na engine in my updated 1977 fc33. What replacement motors will fit? Can the Allison transmission handle ..increased horsepower/torgue? I would like around 300hp or more if possible/practicle. Alternatively, where can I source a 3208 crank and parts for rebuilding? Is there a turbo kit to upgrade the 3208na? Any other tips or suggestions are appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: cat na3208 replace or repair?


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 12/ 03, 12:43pm

"Fit" is a relative term, how much work do you want to do. There is a 8V92TA powered FC running around somewhere, and a 3406 powered, you can make space if you want to exceed 400hp.

For my money, I would take the path of least resistance: a reman Cat 3208Ta/250hp.
It isn't the most modern engine, and better alternatives are out there, but the engine will fit everything from the engine mounts and transmission to the pumps & brackets with minor doghouse modification for the turbo) and this saves a pile of searching, buying, and modifying.

Your '77 FC33 with a 250hp 3208 and 4.44:1 gears will run 75+ miles per hour, tow and climb more strongly than your current engine with less smoke, and the fuel mileage should improve with the gear ratio change. You're only 26,000lbs and should be able to run with my 300hp/33,000lb '88FC which runs 75 on the cruise, much happier there than my re-geared '77 (which also ran 75 on the cruise). The transmission is rated for the power, the radiator or fan might need improvement however.

There is a '77 FC31 at Holland Motorhomes / Holland Bus Company in Holland getting a 250hp reman and re-ratio, they should be able to give you a very close estimate in the next week or so. It won't be cheap, new engines never are. Mike Hohnstein in Wisconsin just finished installing a reman 250hp in his '83 also, might be a good source for information.

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Subject: Oil Temp


Author:
Terry
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 03, 10:38am

Does anyone know the normal oil temp for a 8V92 at highway speed?

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[> Subject: Re: Oil Temp


Author:
Jim Scoggins
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 03, 10:59am

I don't know what mormal is other than what is posted in the owner's manual.
Mine runs at about 225 almost all the time.


1986 PT40
8V92TA

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[> Subject: Re: Oil Temp


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 03, 5:43pm

When the oil temperature gauge was added in '84, BlueBird said that normal for the 6V92 was 200-250 MAX for the 6V92TA and 230-250MAX for the 3208Ta. I would expect the 8V to have similar limits although the typical might be somewhat different.

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[> Subject: Re: Oil Temp


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Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 03, 10:38am

I would agree with Jim that oik temps run around 200 to 225 but will climb somewhat when on a hard pull up a hill. also outside temp (extreme) will have an effect

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Subject: 79 FC


Author:
Bill Rowe
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 03, 10:31am

I'm new to this forum but I've lurking for a while. I just talked to a guy who says he has a 79 FC 35 with a V8 NA engine. From what I read here, I thought the V8 did'nt come out until the mid eightys. Maybe I missread. Can some one straighten me out?

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[> Subject: Re: 79 FC


Author:
harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 03, 10:31am

the 1979 FC 35 ft bluebird has a CAT 3208 naturally aspirated v8 diesel factory rated at 210 HP. it can be turned up to 215 or even 225 with proper adjustments.

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Subject: 79 FC


Author:
Bill Rowe
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Date Posted: 10/ 10/ 03, 7:31pm

Buy the way, he said It had a rear bath.

Bill Rowe A wannabe bb owner AR

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Subject: Floorplans


Author:
Bonnie Lynne
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 03, 4:25am

I'm looking for a Wanderlodge that has a bigger bathroom than the center closet style bath, preferrably built in the 80's and powered by a 250HP turbo or better. Is there such Bluebird?

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[> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
Bruce Morris
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 8:23pm

Bonnie, I have a 83 FC35RB and it has a huge bathroom in it. We love it. It also has a very open floorplan which we also like. Twin beds and we have the facing couches in the front salon. You might like it. Let me know if you have any questions. Mine also has a 250 HP 3208Turbo CAT.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 1983 WL FC35RB

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[> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 03, 4:44pm

As Bruce mentioned, the FC (Forward Control or front engine) had a rear bath option which really makes for a large, comfortable bathroom. The 250hp turbo became standard in '84, some '83s have it, but even the 225hp turbo in the rest of the '83s is pretty good.
Otherwise, the PT (Pusher, Tag axle) started in '82, always had more than 250hp (most are 330hp until the 475hp/500hp became available in '86). Horsepower doesn't mean much though, a 225hp FC31 will climb as well or better than a 325hp PT40 will with its extra 12,000lbs. You have to drive them to decide what you want as they all have their strengths.
In the pushers however, a much larger bathroom became available with the "walk-through" bath, it all depends on your budget as the '83 FC35 Rear Bath is a fraction of what an '88 WLWB with walk-through bath will cost to buy and operate. Do you have a price range in mind?

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[> Subject: Re: Floorplans


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Terry
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 03, 4:25am

In 1987 the center bath option became available. I just happen to have one for sale

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Subject: 1979 FC35 Tire Covers


Author:
Henry F. Claeys
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 03, 5:05pm

Can anyone tell me where I can get tire covers to protect the tires from the sun when I'm parked? The tires sizes for the birds are bigger than most R.V.'s, as you know, so finding covers isn't so easy. I also carry a spare, on a basket rigged on the back, and need it protected at all times. Thanks for your help..Henry at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: 1979 FC35 Tire Covers


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 09/ 12/ 03, 9:59am

Try Camping world, they were the cheapest I've found.

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[> Subject: Re: 1979 FC35 Tire Covers


Author:
joe zakowski
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 03, 5:05pm

We have 12R 22.5 and we had them made in Yuna AZ for $45.00 w. bags. We will be going back there in Nov. to have a spare one made up. They fit good.

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Subject: Interior Upgrades


Author:
T. Thompson
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 03, 12:47pm

I have a 1983 FC 3208T that I want to upgrade the carpeting, re-upholster/replace chairs & sofa and change the drapes. Anyone know of a business that works on BB near Wisconsin or even within the mid-west doing this type of work?.

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[> Subject: Re: Interior Upgrades


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 03, 12:47pm

I'll happily do the work for you, email me if interested. I am in Holland Michigan, look at www.wanderlodge.net if you wish to see a couple of recent examples (the '83 and the '88).

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Subject: Hot Batteries


Author:
Gene Morris
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 03, 8:00am

I have an '84 PT40 with 692. After installing ProSine inverter with battery temp monitor I noticed that the temperature of the batteries exceeds 200° which seem too hot for batteries or inverter.The inverter is mounted where the original converter charges were. Does anyone have any suggestions or opinions on this ??????
Thank you in advance !!!

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[> Subject: Re: Hot Batteries


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 03, 8:00am

I find it impossible to diagnose inverters with intragal battery chargers which is why I recommend separate instruments. In all likelihood the batteries are not at 200 degrees unless the muffler shield has been removed, and even then it is unlikely. Installing the inverter in the location as the original converters/chargers should not be a problem. Contrary to popular surmise, the original electrical compartment does not get hot from engine heat but must be vented to dissipate heat from the electrical equipment. Buy an infared thermometer and take redings of the batteries and inverter to comfirm temperatures. The thermometer will also be handy for checking other temperatures such as tires, engine oil pan, exhaust manifold, hot and cold water lines, etc., etc.

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Subject: location fuel sending unit


Author:
nelson slinkman
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 03, 10:40am

Does anyone know the location of the fuel sending unit for a 8v92engine in a 1994 40 'wb
thanks
nelson

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Subject: Floorplans


Author:
Bonnie Lynne
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 8:19pm

Where can I find floorplans for 1980 to 1987 Bluebirds? Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 31/ 03, 12:08pm

What are you looking for, perhaps we can tell you when/if it was available.
As far as I know the floorplans are not published anywhere, but some of us can help point you toward whether what you're looking for was available, or what might be close.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
bonnie Lynne
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Date Posted: 08/ 31/ 03, 12:47pm

Jeff, I'm looking for a Wanderlodge that does not have the center bath that resembles a closet. The overweight people who will be travelling with me won't fit! Ideally what I want is a Wanderlodge with a larger bath, built in the 80's, and powered by a 250 or higher turbo. Thanks so much for responding. I've been pouring over the internet for hours searching in vain.
Sincerely,
Bonnie

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 03, 2:08pm

Now you're cooking. It boils down to budget and sleeping accomodations now.
The least expensive will be an '83-up FC RB (Forward Control/front engine Rear Bath). In '83 the 225hp turbo started, late '83 was the 250hp. The rear bath has a nice large bathroom, but only twin beds (located ahead of the bathroom) were available.
If your budget is larger or you require a larger bed, you can consider the WLWB - '88-up with walk-through bath and a queen bed, more room in all areas.

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[> Subject: Re: Floorplans


Author:
Bruce Morris
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 8:19pm

Lynn, I am working on getting all the floor plans that I can find together and making them available on the Wanderlodge Forum (http://www.wanderlodge.org) as soon as I get some time to do it. If you are looking for a specific one let me know and I'll check to see if I have it.

If anyone reading this has any floorplans they can send me, please do.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 1983 WL FC35RB

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Subject: Overall Coach Sizes


Author:
Tim Pagano
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 9:21am

I am having a new building constructed for my equipment and want to make a space for a mid '70 -'80 Wanderlodge. Will 14'clear height handle the unit? What are the outside dimensions of a unit?

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[> Subject: Re: Overall Coach Sizes


Author:
mark johnston
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Date Posted: 09/ 14/ 03, 12:37pm

i just measured my 1977 abd it was 11 feet to the top of the spotlight which is my highest point

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[> Subject: Re: Overall Coach Sizes


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 7:21am

I am not sure why but my 79 is a little taller, that is, closer to 12 ft. My garage is 14'6" which allows me to get on top of the coach inside the building. I also prefer the garage width of 14' which allows me to walk around and work on the coach inside.

Steve Anderson
79 FCC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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[> Subject: Re: Overall Coach Sizes


Author:
Bob Jones
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 8:38am

Federal specs for commercial equipment is 13'-6" high. Coaches cannot exceed this height. Max Federal width is 102" wide. Length for a coach should not exceed 40' in most (if not all) states. Plan your structure to be something just larger than these numbers, and you should be fine.

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[> Subject: Re: Overall Coach Sizes


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 03, 9:21am

I park my FC35 in a 15' x 40' stall (outside dimensions, steel building) and it is just large enough to walk around and operate bin doors and climb the ladder etc. If you want room to work on an open radiator, you might want a couple more feet. Besides, maybe some day you'll buy a 45' coach ;~) I've put several coaches from my '77 FC31 to my '88 FC35 in here with ease.
My door is 12'Wx14H', it is tall enough with room to spare, but I wouldn't go narrower than 12' (which is actually more like 11'8" with trim) because mirrors and other items pretty much fill the doorway. You'll the extra to manuever in/out usually unless you really get it straight every time (which would require about 50' of driveway minimum).
Again if you want to work on it, a couple feet wider would be helpful, especially on the door side.

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Subject: Automatic choke on Onan 6.5 generator


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 09/ 8/ 03, 7:56pm

I have a 78 FC with an Onan 6.5 gas generator. It is hard starting. I have isolated the problem to the automatic choke. When I manually close the choke the engine starts immediately. The Onan manual shows a adjustment of the automatic choke, but it looks to me as if there has been a replacement of the electric solenoid that operates the choke, i.e. it doesn't look like the manual says it should. Has anyone had experience with this problem?

Bill
Nordland, Wa.

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Subject: Restartimg cat 210 after 11 months storage


Author:
Hank
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 03, 2:01pm

Billy, Jeff & others Bird experts:
Will be going to Georgia first of October to re-start the old 77fc33 which has been vacationing in the storage lot since last November. I plan to change oil, filters & drain a bucket of diesel before trying to start it. Any other words of caution or advice for me??
Can't wait to pat the ole bird on the behind!!!
Hope to hear from you all. Still in Hawaii at the moment.
Best,
Hank & Naty

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[> Subject: Re: Restartimg cat 210 after 11 months storage


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 03, 2:01pm

The usual checks, tires, fluid levels, belts and hoses, coolant pH / SCAs, and it sounds like you've got it handled. See you at Rally! Those '77s sure are nice, aren't they?

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Subject: Basic Information


Author:
Jim Yule
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 03, 7:10pm

Help!!
I want to buy an older Wanderlodge due to my budget. I race and will be towing about 6000 to 8000 lbs. My questions are:

What at the HP and torque of the 3208, both turbo and regular?

Will a non-turbo 3208 do the job or must I go to the turbo? I know it does about 2700 rpm at 65 mph, but how will the acceleration be? Will it be OK for entry ramps on the expressways?

Will the Allison transmission hold up?

What about the brakes? will they do the job? How is the jake brake, should I buy one with one installed or are they more trouble than they are worth?

What else should I know about what I'm thinking about doing (pulling such a load)? (what are the pitfalls I should look for?)

Thanks for your help

Jim Yule

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[> Subject: Re: Basic Information


Author:
Dan
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 03, 1:41pm

82 and earlier Fcs 3208 = 210 HP
83 = 225 HP, last 12 of the year 250 hp
84-86 250 Hp, all the above with Allison 4 Speed
87-89 FC 300 HP, ZF 5 speed. ZF has a trans brake.

Many older FCs have a 4 position driveline brake, works well.
My 83 FC35 225 HP, entry ramps are slow. Allisons in the FCs are tough trannies.

Get an FC with a driveline brake or tranny brake if you will be coing down lots of grades pulling 8,000 lbs.

Try asking on:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Wanderlodge/ for more opinions.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Basic Information


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 03, 7:10pm

Get the most power you can afford.
The FCs are around 1,000lbs/foot, shorter is lighter and dropping from the 35 to the 33 or 31 will save a fair amount of weight (= increased power/weight ratio or more pulling power). Dropping from the 35 is good and bad, it loses the weight of the large 12.5kw diesel genset, but that diesel genset is very useful for extended dry-camping such as racing, has capacity to "buddy plug" another coach into it, or a race-car trailer complete with compressor ;~)
The 210hp has enough power for 55mph travels with your trailer on fairly flat terrain. On rolling terrain or to run 60-65 you will be happier with the 250hp (have one for sale), and to pull grades with more authority the 300hp with 5-speed will do pretty well.

The 225hp started in '83, along with the Jacobs EL (electric driveline retarder) retarder which is quite effective. The late '83 through '86 coaches had the 250hp and Jacobs EL also. In '87 they got the 300hp, a 5-speed overdrive ZF transmission with retarder.

I've had at least one of each, all nice coaches. Personally I would plan on at least a 250hp if its main job is to tow 6,000-8,000lbs, I towed 6,500 with my 210hp once, it took a lot of flat-pedal driving to keep 60. The 300 would be nice, but an '87-'89 will typically bring almost twice the price of an '83.

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Subject: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Jim Yule
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 03, 6:50pm

I'm looking at a 77 Wanderlodge that the owner claims has a 300 hp turbo deisel. I thought that year and early 80's had a 210 or a 250 hp for the 3208 cat engine. What are the correct or replacement engines?

JIm Yule

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Dan
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 03, 1:46pm

The 300 HP has engine electronic requirements not in older coaches, and a differnent capacity trans so I doubt it is true. There are however many 250 HP cats in the older wanderlodges as replacement engines.

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 03, 6:50pm

The original engine (optional: diesel) in that coach is the 210hp 3208Na (non-turbo). As Dan mentioned, the 225hp or 250hp turbo is somewhat common for a replacement, only minor changes need to be made for the change. To install the 300hp 3208ATAAC there are no electronics, however the engine would need to be moved rearward to accomodate the aftercooler ahead of the radiator, a new radiator to allow the plumbing to get over it, a transmission rated for the net output of that 300hp engine (the original Allison is rated for 250), new air filter system and plumbing, etc. Not likely. It also would need a new differential (gears, bearings, case) to be able to use the 300hp, with the original gears the top speed at max. RPM would be about 60mph, about 5mph slower than the higher-revving original 3208NA!
In all, the '77 FC31/FC33 is fairly lightweight, will run well with a healthy engine and taller gears (mine ran 75 on the cruise control, would top 80mph with its 4.63:1 gears). With a 225hp or 250hp and those gears it should pull just about any grade with authority.
I also looked at that coach, don't believe the claim, but you never know.

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Subject: New message page


Author:
Kathy
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 03, 5:45pm

It appears that the last message list has gone to the archives and so we are starting a new page. Please go ahead and post new messages or click on the archives and read the earlier messages. Thanks. Kathy (webmaster)

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Subject: Electric Curtains


Author:
Bob Trafton
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 03, 7:58am

Some time ago there was a supplier for the rubber tires on the electric motors on the curtains. Other than Bluebird, is there still someone that may supply them.Recently back from Muriels Upholstery at Fort Valley, cannot say enough good about them. We had thought about all new, I feel this was better than new and did not change the design fo the original. Excellent Job!

Email
rvliving2@netzero.net

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Subject: Oil on toad


Author:
Paul
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Date Posted: 08/ 19/ 03, 1:34pm

Did our first trip in the PT35 (Detroit Diesel 325hp 6V92). Have a gloppy mess of diesel smelling oil all over the toad. The oil is evenly distributed side to side on the toad and the underside of the engine bay. The top of the engine is nice and clean. I have been told that this is not normal (and I certainly hope not). The temps and pressures were right on. The bus ran great, started right up, got good milage, pulled hills just fine, and ran fast on the highway. This is our first diesel so I have no gauge to work against. Looking for diagnosis's from people who have been there. Thanks, --Paul

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Subject: Amp meter for 78 FC


Author:
Bill Brayton
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Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 03, 11:12am

I am looking for a source for a OEM or close match for a ammeter (dash mounted) for my 78 FC. Thanks,

Bill
Port Townsend, Wa.

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[> Subject: Re: Amp meter for 78 FC


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 08/ 7/ 03, 12:25pm

Bill I believe you might find both items you are looking for (Ammeter & floodlight switch) at West Marine or one of the other marine outfits there in Pt Townsend. Some NAPA's are good at finding and ordering these items too. The switch may be JABSCO (brand) and the ampmeter should be a Teleflex. If your ammeter is not showing charge be sure to check that the two terminals of the ampmeter are not shorted together by the securing bar that holds the meter to the panel.(behind the dash of course). That was a problem with mine when I bought the rig.

Steve Anderson
79FC35
Poulsbo, WA.

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[> Subject: Re: Amp meter for 78 FC


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 03, 11:12am

The spotlight switch is in stock at Holland Motorhomes 616.396.1461 and the ammeter is a teleflex, available from BlueBird or a dealer.

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Subject: Dinette Wanted


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 03, 8:00pm

I want a dinette for 1980 35'. The original dinette was removed and is not available. Should I have one custom made, should I look for an original Bluebird dinette, or should I go with a new one from another manufacturer? I called Bluebird parts and they referred me to Couch Craft in Columbus Ohio. I am near Denver. Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Dinette Wanted


Author:
Liz Borg
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 03, 8:00pm

Shawn:
Maybe Blue Bird referred you to CoachCraft in Columbus, GA? They have my coach now ('86 PT40)making repairs. Really impressed with their work. If you can get it to them, I believe you will decide they are worth the trip.
They can be reached at www.CoachCraftByMacDonald.com
Website shows some of their work but really doesn't do it justice.

Liz Borg

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Subject: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 03, 7:02pm

I just purchased a 1979 FC35 and the prior owner tells me that she never used the "Jake Brake" and thinks it isn't necessary. I'm trying to get an owner's manual from BlueBird but, in the meantime, here are my questions. (1) Is there a simple test to see if the brake is working? (2) Where would I go to find a mechanic with knowledge to get the brake operational. (3) Do other owners find the brake necessary, or, at least, useful? Thanks...Henry at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 07/ 26/ 03, 7:55am

Henry,
I am surprised to hear that you have a Jake Brake your Cat. They were not a feature provided by Blue Bird, and as I have been told generally were not recommended for the 3208 engine. Most often a magnetic field propeller shaft brake was used, or a retarder option was added to the 643 Allison transmission. That being said, I disagree with your previous owners evaluation. If you do indeed have a Jake Brake I think in our part of the country where we are constantly hilling the Jake would be a nice feature to have. I have never used them, but Erics RV in Sequim is, I believe, a dealer for exhaust brakes. I have already passed you the info on Bryant Motors in Renton, they probably could be of assistance reguarding your Jake brake.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, WA

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[> [> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 03, 1:10am

Steve: I think you were writing to Bill when you mentioned Bryant Motors in Renton. What state is Renton in? Also, what state is Eric's R.V., in Sequim, in? I'm guessing those places are in Washington, where you're from. You're probably correct that the Jacobson brake is not original. I've noticed many features in my R.V. that I've suspected are not original. I appreciate your responses..Henry in McAllen, Texas at claeys@rgv.nt

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


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Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 03, 8:52am

Hope you can see the red from the embarassment on my face. Sorry Henry, I did have you mixed up with Bill who is just "up the road" from where I live.

Best of Luck
Steve

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[> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 03, 8:16pm

Henry, The term "Jake Brake" is often misused and refers to the exhaust brake manufactured by Jacobs Manufacturing. Some apply the name to any type of aux. brake like a transmission retarded or driveshaft brake. Any are helpful in hill country. The exhaust brake, IMO, provides the best braking without overheating anything.
Rich D. 99LXi43

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[> Subject: Re: Jacobs Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 03, 7:45am

As others have mentioned, there was no Jake or retarder on the '79, it became available in '83 with the turbo. Remember that Wanderlodges were built to order, and you could get what you wanted pretty much, my '77 had a continental kit for example.
Also, Jacobs has never made a "Jake" for the 3208. You might have: A transmission retarder, available in the MT-643 (MT-643R); An exhaust brake (butterfly valve in the exhaust pipe) is available from Jacobs and others; An electric retarder (Jacobs EL) was equipped on the '83-'86 FCs on the driveshaft and is quite effective also.

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[> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Gary G.
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 03, 9:33am

List of engine applications for the Jacobson Brake system.
http://www.jakebrake.com/content.php4?doc_uid=26

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[> Subject: Re: Jacobson Brake - 1979 FC35


Author:
Liz Borg - '86 PT40
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 03, 7:02pm

Hello Henry,
I've tried just using the Jake Brake when I need it, but have finally decided to take the advice of a motor home dealer friend, and always keep it on. I don't expect to get a lot of 'coasting' out of the Bird, and it's nice to have it help slow under normal circumstances, i.e. interstate exits, red lights changing, etc. Some owners have posted info that their brake light stays on when the Jake is on, but mine doesn't. You should be able to tell if it's working: get on the interstate (with jake brake off) and take your foot off the gas; then repeat with the jake brake on. If it's helping stop the coach, you'll feel it. Have fun with your Bird!
Liz

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Subject: Doghouse insulation replacement


Author:
Bill Brayton
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 03, 10:10am

My Wanderlodge (78 31'FC) is ready for new doghouse insulation. Any comments on materials to replace the old insulation?, as well as general comments on the subject.

Bill
Port Townsend, Wa.

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[> Subject: Re: Doghouse insulation replacement


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 03, 7:30am

I have been very happy with the 1" 4-layer sound insulation from J.C.Whitney. You will need 1-1/2 rolls to do the lid and surround. I have used 3M-77 spray contact adhesive successfully, but you will have to really saturate the foam side to get good adheasion, otherwise you'll find your lid insulation sagging :~(
Other contact adheasives will work also, pick your poison.
The insulation is foam/rubber/foam/mylar foil, good sound and heat barrier. It is identical to the insulation I've found at West Marine, and also to what I bought from the dealer for my '77FC. Check the seals around the doghouse also, new engine mounts do wonders, as do a couple of pieces of flex-pipe downstream of the exhaust manifolds to isolate the engine vibration, this will also greatly help the life of exhaust manifold gaskets and studs (common problem on the 3208Na).
Oh, perfect time to adjust valves and replace breather (PCV) gaskets/seals and rocker-cover gaskets.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Doghouse insulation replacement


Author:
Bill Brayton
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 03, 8:05am

Thanks Jeff. Good information. In regards to the flex pipe downstram of the exhaust manifold: Are you meaning to cut the exhaust pipe and replace with short length of flex pipe?

Bill
PT

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Doghouse insulation replacement


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 03, 7:45am

Yes. While replacing an exhaust manifold bolt, I cut a few inches out of each exhaust pipe and replaced with stainless flex-pipe and stainless band-clamps. The engine moves (rotates), but the pipe mountings don't allow the pipes to rise and fall, adding stress to the manifold bolts and trasmitting sound/vibration through the floor.

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[> Subject: Re: Doghouse insulation replacement


Author:
G.G.
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 03, 10:10am

Here are three different types of insulation/soundproofing sources that are popular with street rodders. Worth a look.
http://www.hytechsales.com/insulating_paint_additives.html
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/soundproofing/floorrbar.html
http://www.dynamat.com/

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Subject: Air Suspension Question


Author:
G. G.
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 03, 9:40am

Did the older air suspension systems use R-12 ?
If so, what year did the company convert to R-134?
Any suggested internet reading about the air suspension system would be appreciated.

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Subject: Spotlight swithch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 6/ 03, 11:51am

I have a 78 FC I am looking for a replacement toggle switch for the spot light control. It is a 4-way toggle, for up, down, right, left. Any help in that area would be appreciated.

Bill
Port Townsend, Wa.

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Subject: what to get


Author:
alan benfield
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 03, 12:24pm

I live in NYC 6 to 7 month a year, the other 5 or 6 months I camp in Mexico. I have a Sportsmobile camper van and am looking to get more comfortable. I have been looking at older Birds.
My lifestyle permits me to live outdoors most of the time and getting more comfortable means showering inside and having a refrigerator.
I store the camper van while not in use and have very little access to it.
My questions are gas versus diesel. I drive about 3000 miles each way and don't use the camper van while camped. I'm leaning toward gas as I know my way around. My intention is to travel to the west and look in the fall. What are the most common falts to look for and what should I be especially on the lookout for. Thanks

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Subject: Info needed on older Birds


Author:
J. Walton
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 03, 8:01am

I have a few questions regarding older FC Birds, and was hoping one of you may be able to help? I’m looking to purchase an older Bird and wanted to get some information….

1. Gas Industrial Engine vs. the early Diesel NA. Can anyone tell me what the power/mileage is like and also noise/vibration between the two? I can’t find any information on these old Ford engines as to power rating and longevity. You would think as many of them as Ford built someone on the web would have said something about them? Any known web sites?
2. Rust/Dry Rot? Are older birds prone to rust or rot in any areas that you would not see in a normal walk around? I understand they are made of Steel, but what about the floor? Is it wood or steel, and how do they hold up at the wheel wells and bathroom areas that get a lot of moisture?
3. Leaking Roofs? How do these steel roofs hold up, and if they have/are leaking does the water come through the vinyl ceiling, or will the water get trapped and run down along the walls?
4. Air Brakes? Do all Birds have Air Brakes and if so, do they all have Spring Pack type emergency/parking systems?
5. What would be a reasonable price for a clean but not perfect 70-78 Gas powered 31-33 Bird vs. Diesel Bird?
6. FC31 Vs. FC33? Where does the extra 2’ go between these two units. I have seen pictures of both and can’t tell one from the other? Do you get an extra closet or is the living room a bit bigger on the 33’?
Thanks for any help you can give me.

You’re in elder Fowl,

J. Walton / Placerville CA

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[> Subject: Re: Info needed on older Birds


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 03, 8:01am

Gas vs Diesel: I've not owned a gas, it will get you there. The diesel has more torque and is better suited to running full-power, it will climb and tow without tearing itself up. My fuel mileage was typically 8.5mpg @ 65mph. I did get around 9.5 once, was in Ohio and driving ~60mph most of the time. Diesel also doesn't have points/distributor/carburator that the gas engine has, plus being more likely to handle many miles.
Rust hasn't been an issue for structure, only cosmetics from what I've seen. Some systems can have rust problems if parked in a salt-air climate, but the rust damage should be visible. The floor is thick galvanized steel, rustproofed and foamed on the outside, I've never seen water damage to the steel although the wood floor above it can be damaged by leaking water systems.
Leaking roofs do happen, typically around vents, A/Cs, and roof-rack screws. It will soften the masonite backing and make the ceiling panels warp and buckle. In some cases it will leak along the edge of the roof, damaging the inside of the storage bins above the windows.
All Diesels have air brakes, I believe that all are FMVSS121 compliant, dual-system with spring brakes as was my '77.
Price is dependent on condition, features, condition, colors, condition, etc., but the diesel is always more valuable/desirable than the gasoline.
The extra 2' from the 31 to the 33 goes half into the wheelbase, it shows up ahead of the door in longer sofas, a little more space for the pilot/co-pilot seats, an end-table by the sofa(s), and either a 2nd chair or a double-wide half-closet (twin sofa version). It can be see in the side-view in the extra distance between the salon window and the doorway.
The 35' adds the next 2-feet to the wheelbase, mostly adding two more closets to the bedroom/hall area, and a larger generator compartment for the diesel generator (a 12.5kw model). Also a 3rd A/C unit. Its extra length can be seen in side views behind the galley window, and also by the 3rd (center) A/C. The 33 would probably be my favorite, except for the gasoline genset.

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Subject: Specs for Booth Dinette in 1980 Mid-Bath


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 07/ 29/ 03, 1:07pm

I am planning to build a booth for my Wanderlodge. The original was removed and is not available. Bluebird has not been able to find the specs. Would someone please measure their booth and send me the specs? As far as I know there are no Bluebirds in my area (Boulder, Colorado) so I can not take the measurements myself.

Tks,
SDF

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