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Subject: where to winter
Author: Jim [Edit]	Date Posted: 11/ 8/ 09, 12:45pm We are planning our retirement within the next couple months and buying a bird. We want to go somewhere south west US. to be able to ride bicycles and walk etc. beach would be nice but too $$$. my dad used to go to yuma and later needles. and we need to be frugal! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject:

1997 Wanderlodge owners

Author:
Fred Hulse
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 09, 12:18pm

Hi Folks
Rick Archie (97WLWB) and I are attempting to gather some statistics and information and would appreciate it if any and all 97 Wanderlodge owners would send a message to me.
If you have been contacted by Rick please send the message regardless.
Thanks for your help.

fhulse@wildblue.net

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown Az.
1997 WLWB PT41

ps. apologies for the cross post,but I want to reach each and everyone

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Subject: BMC or WANDERLODGE

Author:
Bob Neary
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm

The Sun is shining and I just had fresh Chinook
Salmon. Does it get better than this? Question; We are going to purchase a 90s Bluebird and have been watching the ads. I need to know the differences between the BMC and the WANDERLODGE. I prefer the Cummins Power plant so was leaning to the BMC but don't know enough about it. I sold my Bluebird Wanderlodge last year and bought a Class "C". (DO NOT make this mistake). If you have a Bluebird you have the VERY Best. Someone please explain to me the differences (BMC or WANDERLODGE). Thank You Bob Neary

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE
Author: Ernie Ekberg [Edit]	Date Posted: 05/ 30/ 09, 5:02am The BMC was made for just a fewe years in the 90s. The differences are that they do not have all the bells and whistles of a Wanderlodge. I would be proud to have either one. Ernie- 83PT40 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE
Author: Bob Neary [Edit]	Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 8:12pm Thank You Guys; What "Options are missing"? I think the Cummins gets better fuel economy than the Detroit and anyone who thinks we are not going to have higher fuel costs has his/her head in the sand. What is the Weight of the BMC? The Wanderlodge should still go mid to high 40s. Bob [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE

Author:
Jim Baker
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm

Having owned a BMC for 10 years, I can tell you that it is a fine piece of machinery. The Spartan chassis is no slouch - Spartan builds chassis for many Firetrucks, and the military, and unlike Bluebird Motorhomes, is still in business. The interior is all Bluebird, with great materials and lots of mirrors..of course. I think the GVW is around 31,000 lbs, plenty for a single rear axle. I have not owned other Bluebirds, so don't know what options are missing, but I haven't missed anything that I know of. I recommend BMC's. That being said, we just sold ours and are retiring from motorhoming after 40 years, so that is my piece - for whatever it is worth.

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE
Author: Bill [Edit]	Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 3:42am I believe the major difference was that BB tried to make a lower cost Motorhome, and used another chassis, I think it was a Sparton/Cummins. Also eliminate a few options. The BMC it still a very nice coach, Only a few years in production . [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE

Author:
Rich D.
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 11:12am

Bill hit the nail on the head. In an effort to boost sluggish sales Blue Bird started the BMC (Blue Bird Motor Coach) line. They used a Spartan chassis which has a lighter weight capacity and was not purpose designed/built by Blue Bird. Blue Bird added a fine body and interior which, while nicer than most any other motorhome out there, there are differences with the Wanderlodge that was built from the ground up by Blue Bird. The reduced weight capacity made it essential to cut down on the size of things such as engine, generator, battery banks, tank capacities, frills, etc. Overall, I agree with the others; it is a fine coach.

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Subject: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY
Author: STEVE [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 09, 6:16pm HI ALL 3/14/5 I AM LOOKING TO BUY A BIRD LATE 70'S TO MIDDLE 80'S.I have a 1978 GMC 23ft Birchaven for sale or trade. Would like to find a unit in the Northwest, Montana, Wash Or Org. Thanks Steve mr34@pipeline.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY

Author:
Rose Mary
[Edit]

Date Posted: 04/ 16/ 05, 1:04pm

Hi Steve,
We have an 82 FC 33, side bath.
It belonged to my little brother who lost his life last summer. He took excellent care of his bird. We have used it a couple times and everything except cruise control seems to work great. Like it more all the time. We have been waffling about what to do. We will use it as time allows until we find a home for it. It has a low mile (67,000) 3208 turbo, allison transmission and pretty much all the bells and whistles, including a Jacobs electric brake retarder which is great. I just had all the fluids dropped and replaced, trans, oil, rearend. Has good rubber. In fine overall condition.
If you are interested in more info email or phone 541 679-6901
Rose Mary
Oregon

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[> [> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY
Author: steve [Edit]	Date Posted: 04/ 22/ 05, 4:40am Hi Rose Thanks for the reply. I am interested.Could you e-mail me some pictures and more details. Where in Oregon are you located and what is the askin price? I might try and call you later on today. Thanks Steve Mr34@pipeline.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY
Author: Vic. Orvis [Edit]	Date Posted: 05/ 19/ 09, 10:46am I would like to see some pictures of your GMC and have some questions. Thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY
Author: tony Wightman [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 09, 6:16pm i am looking for a side bath birchaven. please let me know if you have a side bath model. IF IT IS.... please send photos and information. thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Batteries, 1979 F35
Author: John [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm My 4 six volt batteries have finally given out and need replacing. With today's battery technology, has anyone tries using two high performance fishing trolling motor 12 volt batteries wired in series to replace the four 6 volt batteries wired in parrallel? If so, what kind of life are you getting from them? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35

Author:
Shane Fedeli
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 09, 3:31am

John- I've had the best results from a good Xantrex 3-stage charger and the 6V golf cart batteries that you get at Sam's Club. For the cost of the custom trolling motor battery, you could just replace your old battery boiler charger with a Truecharge 40+ and buy the cheaper golf cart batteries. Just an FYI- the 6V batteries are wired in series, not the 12V- those have to be wired in Parallel. The 6V batteries afford a much better reserve capacity due to thicker plates. Normally, you have two "pairs" of 6V batteries, each wired in series.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35
Author: John [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm Shane thanks for the info! And the clarification on the battery wiring. You were a great help! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: roof air VS dash air
Author: danny [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 10/ 09, 11:30am What will return better MPG over the road: Dash air or the roof tops powered by the genny? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: roof air VS dash air

Author:
Shane Fedeli
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 2:29am

Danny- Without knowing your current MPG and engine, it's hard to answer your question accurately. If you're running with a Cat3208 or DD6V92, use the genny for A/C cooling. The smaller engines are going to need all of the power they can get to keep the coach moving! My Perkins uses about 8/10 gallon per hour. It also rarely gets used hard enough- so driving down the road with it on and under load is good exercise. A "lightly" used genset will fail before one that's exercised regularly. The next time that you calculate your MPG, factor in another 8/10 gallon for every 60 miles and see how it affects your numbers. If you log your genny hours, coach mileage and gallons purchased at each fillup, you can easily calculate the difference. In my case, if I used the genset ALL of the time while traveling, it would reduce my MPG by a factor of around 0.4 MPG.

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Subject:

convection microwave oven

Author:
Pam in Alabama
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 10/ 09, 11:13pm

On our maiden voyage with out new to us Bird the micro convection oven quit. Anyone out there know where I can get a replacement. It is a Carosel 2 built over the stove measurements 24 5/8" wide,14 1/2" high and the depth is up to 22". It is not vented. Everything I have found is too big and needs space on the sides or is vented.

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[> Subject: Re: convection microwave oven

Author:
NH BIll
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 12:28am

Sharp 930AK(Black) also available in stainless and white about $400

dimensions 24 5/8 x 14 7/8 x 19

Replaced original Sharp Carousel with this in our 83FC.

Only difference in size is height. The 930 is about .75" shorter so a fill strip at the top took care of it.
Nice replacement. Much faster than the old 600W unit and easy to use.

NH Bill

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Subject: closet door pull
Author: Ralph Wilson [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm was wondering if anyone out there knows where we can get a closet door pull for our bluebird. it is a 1999, plan # 1206, body #122700..they are gold in color. any help or directions as where to look would be appreciated. thanks Ralph and DOreen [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: closet door pull

Author:
Rich D.
[Edit]

Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 09, 10:10am

Below is a copy of my post on the Wanderlodge Owners Online forum. The pictures won't show up here but you should be able to see the information to order. NOTE: Since I posted there, I received my handles and had two gold plated at a local shop. They are close enough so I didn't have to replace all.

REPRINT

Bill & Ann, Wow, a coincidence!! I just went through this last week when one broke on our '99. The handles I have are made by Sugitsune and have the marking "LAMP" under the lift handle.

If yours are like the picture above, there is good news and bad news. Bad news is that they are discontinued and there are none available in brass either in the US or in Japan. Good news is that the importer has a limited quantity of the nickle (chrome) finish available for less than $12.00 each. I just ordered 8 pieces. Six will be used to replace all if it becomes necessary and I'm sending two out to a local custom plating shop to be brass plated. If the match is exact, I'll just need the one or if quite close, I can change the two that are side by side. As a last resort, I'll change all to the nickle finish as they should look "OK" set into the silver mirror.

Here is the contact info at the wholesaler:
Jim Smith
Sugatsune America, Inc.
221 East Selandia Lane
Carson, CA 90746-1414

310-329-6373
800-562-5267
FAX 310-329-0819

Jim gave me a local retailer who ordered them for me and they will be shipped direct to me from the CA wholesaler.

The model number of my original brass handles is "FH-100BM-11" and the nickle finish number that is available is "FH-100BM-00" . These are the ones with the spring, there is a similar handle without a spring too which carries an "AM" in the model number instead of "BM". Blue Bird had only one nickle finish in stock and no brass finish.

As far as removal of the old ones, that is a little tricky because, in their infinite wisdom, the factory decided not to use the screws provided which would have been visible on the inside of the door and, instead, glued the handle in with a gob of silicone. To remove the broken one, I drilled a hole about 1/2 way down from the top being careful not to go deep enough to go through the door and threaded a long lag screw into the hole again being careful not to go through the door. By pulling and wiggling the lag screw, the handle came free. Obviously, one should not try to pry out the flush handle as the mirror could be broken.

I'll post as soon as the handles arrive, should be in a few days. Now that I think about it, I may reconsider and have them all plated brass. That way I'm covered whether or not they match exactly and will still have spares.

Isn't this forum a wonderful way to share information about our Birds!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull

Author:
Ralph
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 4:47am

thanks for the response and apologize for not getting back sooner. have had a very busy summer then we came south and have been very busy.
i dont' visit the site very often. i'm going to make a copy of your letter and try to get things done there way, i didn't see any screws there either. i have a couple other problems , one is i don't know how to drain the air tanks for the brakes, don't even know where they are. and we have an antilock brake light that stays on. normaly it would go off after we start down the road a few miles. if you have any insite on either one of these, be happy to hear them, email at regular email..wilson4536@aol.com. we may post these problems on the site to..
thanks again. this is a good place to go, when we remember!!!
there's a bankruptcy auction at bluebird in fort valley, ga. next week end. thurs. oct. 15 and sat. oct. 17 at 10 a.m. alot of stuff there going. 15 new engines and 14 new traansmissions. and awhole lot of manufacturing stuff..sad...also oct. 22 thur. in colton, ga. 4 top-of-the-line wanderlodge vehicles at 11 a.m.
ralph

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull
Author: Ernie Ekberg [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm Ralph, I have found that quite a few coaches with the ABS sensors, their light stays on. Ralph Fullenwider told me that there is a dirty sensor giving a false reading and does not affect the brakes. FYI As for finding the sensor that is at fault--?? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Expenses

Author:
Lee
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm

Hello, Years ago 2 family members had Bluebird coaches. I loved them. I am now retired and looking to purchase a used Bluebird. It will be my full time home for the next several years. For several years I've spent about 6 months at a time in a small class A coach. I've found a well maintained FC 35 that I am thinking of purchasing. I'm trying plan for up keep expenses. I'm thinking of putting 10K aside to start and then adding $500.00 a month for upkeep. Will this be enough to keep the coach in good condition? I have adequate funds if more is needed. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses
Author: Mike Hohnstein [Edit]	Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:47am Your budget is adequate, however I recommend focusing on 87 and newer FC's or consider an SP. They are generally more servicable, and that is important. 86 and older tend to be more neglected due to the difficulty of working on the engine. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Expenses

Author:
Lee
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 09, 10:45am

Thank you for the advise. I was looking at a 1983. The photos looked good and the owner said it was well maintained. I took a diesel mechanic friend with me to look at it. It did not look as good when we inspected it. To put in top shape would have required a lot of work. Owner insisted it was in top condition and wanted top dollar. I decided I wasn't interested. Still looking for now.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses
Author: Bob Maloney (87 fc) [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm I have a 87 FC for sale in exc cond if interested reply [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Auto Levelers
Author: Gary Fisher [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 4/ 09, 4:59am I am looking at a 1977 FC35 that has the controls for levelers but no levelers. Where can I get them and I assume because the controler is there the coach had them at one time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Auto Levelers
Author: Mike Hohnstein [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 5:14am Google HWH leveler systems in Iowa, they are the original suppliers and a good company to deal with. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: diesel/gasser comparison

Author:
Steve Hutter
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 4:38am

I am trying to understand the full difference between a diesel or gasser
wanderlodge of any given year.
>
> It seems hard to find much info on the powertrain difference, could any gasser
peeps, give any insight to thier experience with a gasser unit.
>
> The area that I can't seem to find any info on at all is the chassis. Other
than the gasser (usually a Ford industrial 391 (I think))Is there any difference
in an FC gasser unit as compared to the diesel. Do they both have the air ride
suspension? Do they both have airbrakes? Are the chassis identical? Do they both
have 22 inch tires? Do both have brake assist system (Maybe not a jake for the
gasser,but a retarder of some sort)? Are there any other difference other than
just the engine?
>
> Any info would be great.

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[> Subject: Re: diesel/gasser comparison

Author:
Jerry R
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 5:57am

In all my work looking at BB over the last 3 years I discovered the the rear diesel pushers are built stronger, are easier to work on and will last longer than their gas siblings. The other stuff (retarders, air bags, etc. are about the same. I am so glad I bought diesel (rear pusher NOT FC). I hope to get many years of fun from it. Diesel may cost a little more to maintain but well worth it.

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Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge
Author: Cliff [Edit]	Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:43pm I would like to keep the 49-ness of my bus,and also have the newer suspension etc and would like to keep it all BB wonderlodge (will keep the cummins eng) anything in the washington state? thank you for any info/ideas. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge

Author:
Cliff (exited)
[Edit]

Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:02pm

I have a 1949 BB wonderlodge. I had been looking for a newer bus and stumbled upon this one. LOVE at first sight. the person i bought it from delivered to my home. on the way the air brakes failed. A big tow truck finished the delivery with minimal damage. I spent summer 08 gutting the interior, as there had been lots of critters calling it home.As i have been looking for parts and such most people don't have any idea what a wonderlodge is. so i am very happy to find groups of people who do know what they are.and that i hope they can give more info and ideas.

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Subject: Aqua Heater

Author:
Bernard Haag (confused)
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 28/ 09, 7:49pm

I have a 95 PT42 with a aquaheating system on board. Where do I find the switches to start her running on diesel and electric....if so can someone call me on my cell at 605-484-4585 anytime during the day...the fans will run when I place the thermostats on heat and high but there must be an additonal switch for the diesel side of her.....

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Subject: TIRE SIZE?
Author: A. E. NEWMAN [Edit]	Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am WHAT TIRE SIZE IS CORRECT FOR 1982 35' FC SIDE BATH? 11R 0R 12R THANKS [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?
Author: Sam [Edit]	Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 09, 8:12am Either will work....I have a 83 35' FC and I have 12R....but I do believe that the early FCs came from the factory with 11R....12R may give you a more cushie ride. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?

Author:
Mike Hohnstein
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am

You need to verify the width of your wheels. Typically an 82 will have 7" wide. That won't get it for 12R.
I chose to upgrade to 24" wheels as my 83 had 7". The 11R 24.5 tires, Koni's on the front axle, Gabriels on the rear AND new bushings on the rear axle panard bar greatly improved the road manners of my FC. The panard bars are on both axles, they are mounted above and paralelle with the axle. The bars controll side movement of the body realative to the chassis. Bolts have been known to break and any bird with over 100k miles need's the rear bar inspected.

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Subject: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?

Author:
ken bradbury
[Edit]

Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 09, 11:41pm

hi, i have a 78 bulebird wanderlodge with a cat 3208.
it has just 4 6v batteries. these are used to start the bus and for the everything in back.

i bought 2 new deep cycle batteries to separate the coach (back lighting and accesories) form the engine starter.

but i dont understand how to isolate these. is there a main 12v fues panel? is it above the driver?

it tried to find one main wire that feeds that panel, but i can,t?

i thought i'd connect my deep cycles to that fuse panel, hmm.

please help.

ken

707 540 1463

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[> Subject: Re: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?

Author:
Bob Griesel
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 09, 10:54am

There is a heavy red (#6) cable running behind the overheads on each side of the bus. This is the interior (coach) power. These cables join at the left front corner of the bus and run down to the battery compartment. Trace this cable run and find a logical place to separate it from the automotive system and connect it to the new batteries instead. Remember to provide a charge for the house batteries. A Schottky charge splitter or combiner relay can be used for this purpose.

Put a disconnect on the automotive batteries so they will be fresh when its time to start the Cat.

I suggest using the 4-6V batteries for the house and a group 31 or a pair of group 24 or 27 batteries to crank the Cat. This will provide more power for the coach and plenty for the Cat.

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Subject: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD

Author:
A. E. NEWMAN
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 09, 11:31am

I WANT TO BUY A 1982 35' FC SB, WITH AIR BAGS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN I DRIVE IT, IT WANDERS ALL OVER THE ROAD, AND HAS WAY TOO MUCH BODY ROLL, YOU THINK IT WILL TURN OVER WHEN YOR DRIVE IT OR MAKE A VERY SLOW CORNER.
WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ANY GROVE IN THE ROAD YOU THINK IT WILL ROLL OVER. THE STEERING IS VERY TIGHT. THE TIRES ARE THE 11R WITH 105 PSI MAX PRESSURE, SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I NEED THE 12R TIRES.
THE COACH IS IN PERFICT CONDITION, BUT I CAN NOT DRIVE IT DOWN THE ROAD.
CAN ANYONE HELP.

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[> Subject: Re: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD
Author: RM [Edit]	Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 09, 8:11am Most likely need new shocks. Our improved dramatically (roll & porpoising when the new Koni shocks were put on front) They are called wanderlodges (ha!) Also seems people tend to oversteer in the beginning. You need to relax on the steering wheel [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Tire monitoring systems

Author:
Dan B (information overload)
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 13/ 09, 7:17pm

I'm looking at TPMS and find PressurePro, Doran and Smarttire to be the most common brands advertized. I like the idea of the internally mounted sensors used with the Smarttire system. Does anyone have any experience with these brands that will help me make a decision based on user experiences instead of manufacturer's claims?

DanB
2004 M380
Broussard, Louisiana

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Subject: 87 FC 35 Generator??????

Author:
Bob Maloney
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 09, 12:26pm

I have a 87 FC 35 and the generator will not start from any starting console. The generator is an Onan 8.0 diesel I took the starter off and had it checked, checked out great. I put the starter back on and it still will not start. I then short the solenoid wire to the battery and it would start if was getting the signal from the console. I have since taken apart the console on the generator itself to find the Ford style starter solenoid inside and checked it out and it works fine. The ground side of the solenoid at this point seems to be getting the wrong signal as it should be grounding and in fact has 12 volts to it. The switch side of the solenoid at this point has a little over 8 volts when the starter switch is activated. The generator attempts to start as it should operating the fuel shutoff and finally for lack of a better word times out and either trips the DC output control or the push to reset circuit breaker. From this can someone either tell me what to look for or if at all possible supply me with a schematic. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Maloney
Clay City KY

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Subject:

Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC

Author:
Rob Porter
[Edit]

Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 2:17pm

Looking for a web sight or any input on a price. This unit although not in terrible shape by any means, seems well used for its age. It has 200,000 plus miles. It is at a local dealer. This would be a first moterhome for us as we have had travel trailers in the past, so any input on this model for a first timer would also be apreciated.
Thanks
Rob P

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[> Subject: Re: Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC

Author:
Ted D
[Edit]

Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 09, 5:51am

I would offer $20K and wouldn't pay more than $23K. There are many variables that can affect the price (engine hours, gen hours, tires, maint records, heating, cooling, fridge, etc. Good luck and there are no real price guides out there. Don't be in a rush. It took me over a year to find one and there are many owners VERY eager to sell.

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Subject: PT-40 weight
Author: Cary Burton [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 2:06pm We are looking to purchase a 40' 'Bird but are concerned about the weight on our driveway. Our driveway is 300 ft. long, straight back from the street, looks to be 3.5 to 4 inches of portland cement and in good condition. Do I stand much chance of damaging my driveway by driving the coach onto it? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: PT-40 weight
Author: Jim T [Edit]	Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 09, 6:48am You should be fine. The only potential problem may be hairline cracks that may get larger as the coach rolls by. These birds are weighty beasts to go nowhere there is soft ground. Good luck. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: have extra power steering pump
Author: don w [Edit]	Date Posted: 11/ 22/ 07, 10:14am have extra factory recon power steering pump for 6v92 in 1984 40p would like to sell and also have fan coolant motor for same email if interested will take 650.00 for both [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: have extra power steering pump
Author: Dennis Gaddy [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 8:19pm is this the power steering pump that mounts to right side of the air compressor or left side. if the right side i may be interested in it [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird
Author: Pam in Alabama [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm We are preparing to take delivery on our new to us Bird and need to know the exterior clearance. Sure don't want to rearrange anything on the roof. Any help will be greatly appreciated. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird

Author:
Shane Fedeli
[Edit]

Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 5:44pm

Hi Pam- Good luck with the new coach! I believe that our 1985 PT40 is around 11'9" at the top of the dash A/C unit. I will usually try to avoid clearances of less than 12'6" due to variations in the ride height, bumps, etc... An easy way to check the clearance is to measure the distance to a fixed limb or garage opening and then pull the coach under the limb or doorway and subtract the distance to the antenna's, A/C unit and roof pods while someone else SLOWLY moves the coach forward. The air bag suspension can be adjusted up or down by several inches- so overall height could vary greatly. The distance from the ground to the bottom of your compartment door behind the front wheel should be around 17" and in front of the drive wheels around 18".

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[> [> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird
Author: Pam in Alabama [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm Thanks for the info Shane. I will be careful with the low clearances. I had a Class A that looked a little lower then the Bird. My main concern was where I need to park it in the yard when we get it home. Time to get out the pruning saw. And I may have to call the utility company to raise the wires going to the house. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Engine wiring diagram
Author: Stephen Borders [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 8:14am I am in need of a wiring diagram for a 92 wanderlodge wb40 for the engine controls to include the ignition switch and the rear ignition switch. I have the ddecII diagram but not the bus wiring to the engine. thanks in advance Stephen Borders [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 83 35FC fuel transfer pump location
Author: Larry Brehmer [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 09, 7:44am does anyone know where the fuel transfer pump between to the tank and racor is located on an 83 35FC. I seem to remember someone told me years ago it was on the chassis drivers side rear near the tank. on the frame but I can't locate it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: engine durability
Author: Jeff Rasco (happy as a clam) [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 19/ 09, 7:58am Interested in a mid 90's Wanderlodge. I have noticed that many get an engine rebuild around 100K miles. This seems early for such an engine. Why so early and what is the price range to have that done? Thanks. Jeff [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: engine durability

Author:
Bob T
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 09, 9:21am

I have a mid 80's with a Detroit diesel that has 160,000 and doesn't smoke after first puff at startup. When I was looking I was told to stay away from Cat3208 from several people including a couple of excellent lifelong mechanics. The detroit purrs going down the road and if I continue to take care of maintenance I expect it to last another 160K. Good luck.

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Subject: 3208 cat hard to start

Author:
mark DADSON
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Date Posted: 08/ 19/ 09, 11:16am

Hi folks,

I am looking at buying 1970 Wanderlodge with a 1975 3208 but it seems to be resistiant to starting without ether, once it is going it is fine and the smokes clears up. Alternatively, it starts easily,without smoking if it has been previously plugged in. Seems to me that would be very inconvenient when travelling on the road to have to think about plugging in or using ether. Does anyone know if the starting can be improved with new injectors or is this simply the nature of the beast?

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[> Subject: Re: 3208 cat hard to start
Author: Ernie Ekberg [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 09, 7:11am sounds like your batteries are low since it starts easily while being plugged in. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: latches to hold grills on cooling radiators -1995 bird
Author: stan. m [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 09, 6:44am bodyman ruined latches when removing for bodywork. would like to replace with new ones.latches hold grills over cooling radiators on drivers side on 1995 wanderlodge. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: manuals and electrical
Author: Erik [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 09, 3:06pm Is there any place to obtain copies of old manuals and electrical diagrams for my 1983 35' FC? Need help with functions and electrical repairs. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: manuals and electrical
Author: ernie ekberg [Edit]	Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 05, 5:07am contact ralph fullenwider. He has lots of diagrams and is a master when it comes to Bluebirds. rlf47@swbell.net [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Pickup Fuel Pump
Author: Ken Beeler [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 7/ 09, 7:23am I have a 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge...need advice as to where I Please feel free to call....I have several questions and would love to talk to a seasoned birder. Engine stalls at low rpms. Has rebuilt Jasper 3802 with less than 4000 miles runtime. Phone 812-697-0212. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Bluebird Magazine.
Author: Brian Cloke [Edit]	Date Posted: 08/ 5/ 09, 8:28pm Is there such a thing as a Bluebird Magazine ? Thanks Brian. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: '84 side mirror
Author: Richard Miles [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am looking for a passenger side mirror for an '84 FC. Only need the glass replacement, the frame is fine. Would anyone know where to locate one? Thx, Richard [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror
Author: Haorld Prescott [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 7:28am Richard, If you can get the screws out of the mirror itself, the glass can be replaced. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror
Author: Richard Miles [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 09, 6:36am would you know a place for replacement glass? have been calling around locally with no luck. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror
Author: Harold Prescott [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am I would suggest a local glass company. They will have to cut some mirror stock to your spec's. Harold [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Warm Welcome

Author:
Jim Walters
[Edit]

Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 09, 3:55pm

We have been taking a trip from home to Chicago to visit my oldest daughter and her family and parked at the truck stop at the intersection of 41 and 26 in Oshkosh. Got the Harley out of the trailer and rode over to the EAA. Located the Vintage Birds group and some others randomly parked by themselves. Unfortunately there weren't too many around, they were all at the air show, go figure! But I finally got to meet some other Birders. First met Dorothy Helland and apparently Nancy Brookshire was parked next door. She came over when she heard us talking. Had a great conversation and while we were there John Heck-Man came over. I introduced myself but I think he may have been pre-occupied. Don't think he recalled when I went to check out a Wanderlodge in Angola, IN for him. Too many things going on to remember everything, I'm sure. Anyway, the rains were coming and so we split and went back to the truck stop before we got drowned on the bike. I am sitting here at this moment waiting for the rain to stop and hopefully get over to Camp Scholler again and meet some more Bird owners. The two ladies were a great start to what I believe will be an outstanding experience.
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Subject: Help needed near Dallas, Texas
Author: Markus [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 26/ 09, 4:57pm Anybody in or around Dallas, TX? I have an RV I need someone to check out for me in Palestine. Thanks! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider
Author: Anita [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 22/ 09, 2:36pm approx 2"X1/2" hard plastic type slider/spacer, 4 to each chair, mine have decinegrated/broken where can these be purchased, bluebird equipment for captains chairs [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider
Author: Ernie Ekberg [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 5:12am Anita, with a lot of these coaches that we have remodeled, some folks use metal washers as spacers. Cheap and easy to find. Ernie [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: For sale birds at OSHKOSH?
Author: Elliot Harris [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 23/ 09, 7:33pm Wondering if any for sale birds will be at Oshkosh? Great chance for wannbees to see 'em. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: generator starter on 87fc35
Author: bob maloney [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 20/ 09, 5:07am does anyone know an easy way to get to the starter on a 87 fc 35 tks bob maloney in ky [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: purchasing vintage Blue Bird

Author:
Pat Karpf
[Edit]

Date Posted: 07/ 19/ 09, 4:17pm

We are considering the purchase of an early 80's Blue Bird Wander Lodge. Can you give us a quick lesson it valuing?
The NADA shows avg. price approx. 10,000, but I see some listed at 40,000+ and then some at closer to 20,000. How do we know what to offer?
Also, we know it needs some body work (not to bad) but what are other things that may need special attention. This will be our first RV and probably our last. We are retired and will use it for a few years God willing.
We know anything this old requires ongoing maintenance but we would like to not have too many surprises.
Thanks,
Pat

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Subject: starter
Author: bob maloney (gen starter) [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 14/ 09, 12:56pm does anyone know an easy way to get so starter on 87 fc [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Hot water heater
Author: Prime Time Coach [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 09, 1:38pm I own a 1985 FC35 that needs a hot water heater. Has any one replaced one. If so where did you get the water heater? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Hot water heater
Author: Bill [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 09, 4:14am Stephen Birtles 77fc35 http://www.dupreeproducts.com telephone 888 668 4288 or 905 328 0162 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: hot water heating system

Author:
Mitch
[Edit]

Date Posted: 07/ 1/ 09, 2:41pm

My friend has a 1983 Wanderlodge he is repairing the hot water system for the domestic water supply. We are wondering if we can get a copy of a "blueprint" or an "as built" which would show the layout and general or specific design of this system. He has a 35 foot model with the Cat 3208 in the front. Unfortunately, the bus was left with water in the system during freeze-up over the winter by the previous owners. The entire system needs repaired potentially, maybe even the ice maker and on-demand hot water heater under the kitchen sink. Thanks for any leads to a visual diagram which shows something similar to his layout.

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[> Subject: Re: hot water heating system
Author: Bill [Edit]	Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 09, 10:17am Most drawings and schematics will be found here; http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Rubber hinges
Author: Tim C [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 09, 11:31am I am looking to replace some of the rubber hinges on the cargo bay doors on a 86 Wanderlodge. Does anyone know where I might find those? Thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Sam [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 09, 6:27am http://busfixx.tripod.com/sitebuilde...2007forweb.pdf http://busfixx.tripod.com/busservice/id8.html http://www.ibpindustries.com/products Try these places [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Tim C [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 09, 7:18am Thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Tim C [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 22/ 09, 7:05am Found the EXACT product. Contact info below Steve Kolb IBP Industries, Inc. 2055 Sprint Blvd Apopka, Fl 32703 Toll Free: 1-800-468-5287 Office: 407-880-9700 Fax: 407-880-2026 skolb@ibpindustries.com [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Sam [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 09, 6:28am http://busfixx.tripod.com/sitebuilde...2007forweb.pdf. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Bill [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 3:41am call Scott in parts. http://www.holland-motorhomes.com/ [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Rubber hinges
Author: Tim C [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 09, 11:31am Scott at Holland had the best price and there was no minimum order. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: 1980 FC CAT engine replacement
Author: Dan [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 09, 9:07pm Any tips on the best way to pull the motor and trans would be appreciated. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Bunks in a Bluebird
Author: Ray [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm Hi everyone. My question may sound strange, but here it is: Has anyone out there ever seen or known of a Wanderlodge with bunks in it? I'm assuming they would have to be an aftermarket redo. I love my PT35, but it's kind of small for the family. If anybody has ideas, I would appreciate them. Thanks. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird

Author:
NH Bill
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 6:08pm

There was a 85FC known as "Linda Lou's Lucky 4 Band"

I think it was sold within the past couple of weeks at auction. Was in pretty rough shape. It had been converted to bunks in the back for a family that traveled as a band.

Here is a link to a thread on another forum that was about this coach.

< http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3123&highlight=Bunk+Beds >

NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird
Author: Ray (Ray Daugherty) [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm Thanks Bill. The info is appreciated. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: fixing 8" well water pvc pipes
Author: mikeal curtis (inquisitive) [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 8/ 09, 7:15pm I have 8" pvc pipes that exploded, full of well water that goes to a new subdivision. what is the best way to repair it for cheap? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

Subject: Oil Pressure gauge
Author: John O. Rud [Edit]	Date Posted: 06/ 4/ 09, 6:08pm Does anyone know what is the model of the Teleflex oil pressure gauge on a 88 XXV wanderlodge. Thanks in advance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Oil Pressure gauge

Author:
Bill
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 09, 3:39am

The problem may be the oil pressure sensor, If it looks like this oil pressure sensor on the right lower side of this generator, The old Bluebird is #3811254.
I can not find the guage number, will keep looking....

http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/52361795

Call a BB school bus dealer, They will give you the manufacturers # or will sell the part. $ 55.00 four years ago.

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Subject: generator wiring

Author:
william clay (still hopeful)
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06/ 4/ 09, 1:51pm

Hi again everyone,I had written the question yesterday about the control box wiring,what I forgot to say was,the wiring to the control,was maybe from the remote start system and I did not unhook it,it was unhooked & the genset was also completely removed. So back to the last question about the wiring, can someone tell me which color wire goes on what number terminal....THANKS AGAIN.!!!!!

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Subject:

GENERATOR wiring

Author:
bill clay (hopeful)
[Edit]

Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 7:09pm

Hi everyone, I`m working on an 1983 or 84 bird with a kohler/perkins 12.5 genset,the problem i have now is the wiring to the terminal strip in side the base control box. the terminals on the strip are labeled the problem is the wires to the strip from the remote start switches are not, the unmarked in comimg wires are-purple,brown,blue,green, yellow & black,.if any one can tell me which terminals these go on,I would be very greatful, the print i found was`nt very helpful...THANKS FOR YOUR TIME..

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