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Subject: Re: Paint Job


Author:
PATRICIA SHANNON (HAPPY)
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 08, 7:36am

P. S. BE SURE AND TELL THEM THAT PAT SHANNON REFERRED YOU.

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Subject: motor transplant


Author:
mark
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Date Posted: 04/ 14/ 05, 8:23am

howdy, I need to replace my 3208 na with a new power unit. It appears that the cummins 8.3l may fit in the forward control space. Are motor/tranny mounts available off the shelf? Our bus the is a 1977 wanderlodge in first class condition. As we run the west coast mountains, 300 horse power or more is required. What are the motors that would fit into the forward control space? I prepared to swap out the Allison mt640 which can handle a maximum of 660 ft lbs torque. Any and all imput welcome to avoid re-inventing the wheel. from the Johnstons and the me 2.

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Subject: gas engine


Author:
Steve Phillips
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 05, 8:51pm

Hi All

Iam thinking of selling my 78 Gmc Birchaven and buying a Bird. I was wondering what are the pros and cons OF THE big Ford gas engines?

Also is there an interactive web site for the Bluebird MH?

Thanks for your reply
Steve

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[> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Curt Sprenger
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Date Posted: 01/ 20/ 05, 6:13am

Steve,
I own a 1974 Bluebird foward control (FC) 31' with a Ford 534CI gas engine. Just replaced the original carb. with a 750 holley. Getting better mileage now, 6.5+ on flat ground, better than 5 in the hills. I may want to sell the coach as I plan to move up to a 40' diesel pusher.

Interactive site...try www.wanderlodge.org . I've been on that site for almost two years, great site, very helpful folks there, only for Bluebird owners, well moderated.
Curt

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[> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 01/ 20/ 05, 11:19am

With regards to the reply you recieved from Curt about Wanderlodge.org: The archieved data on that website is invaluable to all Wanderlodge owners and wannabes. There is a huge amount of archieved data on this Vintage Bird site also. nearly any problem that can be imagined has been previously experienced and the answers are usually here.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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[> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
CC
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Date Posted: 02/ 1/ 05, 2:19pm

Can a coach like Curt's pull a call, too?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 3/ 05, 9:57am

No, it can't pull a call, but it can pull a car rather nicely. Hopefully I have helped!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Kentucky
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Date Posted: 02/ 15/ 05, 11:30am

Sam, You've been a great help. I think I'll purchase one.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
STEVE
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 05, 8:51pm

Hi Curt

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of selling your coach> Have you decided? If so do You have e-mail photo's and details I might be interested.If not do you know of any of any coaches for sale in the northwest part of the country?

Steve
mr34@pipeline.com

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Subject: Bluebird under 35' diesel


Author:
J. Hinz
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Date Posted: 04/ 2/ 05, 5:28pm

I've been interested in Bluebirds for years- and now am ready to take the plunge... I'd like some information
1) What is the most efficient diesel engine/size around 77-85? Nothing over 36' for me...
2) Any ideas of costs to replace transmissions or engines- again diesel?
3) Is 150,000 miles anything to be concerned about?
Thanks for the help... Jerry

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird under 35' diesel


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 2/ 05, 5:28pm

Can give you the cost of replacing the 3208T in a 1984 FC35 as of two years ago. The Job was done at the Little Rock Arkansas CAT Dealer J.A.Riggs. My milage at the time was 156,000 miles. The reason for the need for replacement was a frozen Turbo unit. The Dealer said that one piston had started to burn, and that the diffrence between rebuilding my engine, and a factory unit was only $1500.00 Factory unit included a new Turbo and new injectors. While the engine was out I had the Radiator refurbished, and the transmissin serviced, total cost was $13,700 and some change. The dealer said that the 3208T most often runs more than 300,000 miles, if the turbo is serviced regularly. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

L. Longcrier

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Subject: Bluebird titles


Author:
Jon O.
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:40am

I am considering buying a older Bluebird that has a salvaged title. The owner dosen't think it was ever in a bad crash and he says it drives great. What are the ramifications of buying a bus with a salvaged title? Thanks for any info.

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 28/ 05, 11:38am

A salvage title usually (not always) means there was enough (fire/crash/flood/??) damage to exceed its value. What that damage was and how it was repaired could impact its value a great deal.

Other than that, a salvage title usually makes it difficult to finance and to insure. These things combined with the general feeling of the salvage title will likely also make it difficult to sell again and far less valuable than an equivalent 'Bird with a straight title.

- Jeff Miller

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 03/ 31/ 05, 10:28pm

HI,, I BOUGHT ONE WITH A SALVAGE TITLE TOO,,, IT WAS IN A FIRE, AND SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN REPAIRED FAIRLY WELL,,IT SEEMS THE HOLDING TANK HEATERS CAUSED THE FIRE, AND ONLY ONE SIDE WAS BURNED,,, I HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH IT AND REPLACING/REPAIRING A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRE,, IT IS A 1983 PT40, AND SO FAR, I REALLY LIKE IT. I NEVER PLAN ON SELLING IT, SO I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE RESALE VALUE. I HOPE TO EVENTUALLY SELL MY HOME AND BECOME A FULL TIMER,,, I HAVE INSTALLED 400 WATTS OF SOLAR PANELS, AND A 2500 WATT INVERTER, AND 4 6-VOLT GOLF CART BATTERIES, ALONG WITH A BIG GEL CELL STARTING BATTERY,AND THE GENERATOR BATTERY. I AM READY FOR SOME LONG TERM DRY CAMPING!!

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:40am

although jeff is correct in all he says, you might try contacting your state vehicle license authority to see if you can have a regular title issued after completeing required work. Some state have that option
Harv

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Subject: Wanderlodge 1996 vs 1994


Author:
Leigh
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:30am

Hi, I'm debating between purchasing a 1996 42' Detroit Series 60 with an Allison 6 speed OR 1994 40' Detroit 8V92TAC with an Allison 5 speed. The price is right for both and the accessories are similar. I would like some input on equipment in each from. Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge 1996 vs 1994


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:30am

Liegh,
Both of the engines you mentioned are good and will drive the respective coachs down the road in good fashion, BUT if it were me, I would take the series sixty Detroit without question!! First,the engine is electronically controlled which means precise fuel measuring and delivery. This equates to better combustion and better fuel milage.The 8V92 was not made after 1990's and if you go to a Detroit dealer for service, often they have no one on their staff who even knows how to tune up a 6V or 8V92. All you have to do with the series 60 is plug the computer in and it tells you what to do next. That makes all the service people smart and give you a good running engine.
Harv

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Subject: Mirrors


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 6:03pm

I have a 74 Wonderlodge with the older style rear view mirrors on a metel tubing (rusting bad). I noticed many older units on this websight have the newer style mirrors mounted to the front corners of the bus......where can I obtain these type mirrors? Thanks....Gary

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[> Subject: Re: Mirrors


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 04, 8:16am

Gary- Ramco makes mirrors for the coaches. Ernie 83PT40 in Texas

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[> Subject: Re: Mirrors


Author:
harv680
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 6:03pm

Vel vac made the mirrors I do believe, and they may still have them. As i recall they made them in a paited steel or stainless, with two heads. One was concave and the other flat. good rear vision and great whistlers in the wind try www.velvac.com
Harv

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Subject: towing


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 5:53pm

My family is considering an fc35 with the 250T. Has anyone ever towed or tried to launch a boat behind this? Boat and trailer are about #4000.

Thanks

Michael

Halifax VT

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[> Subject: Re: towing


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 18/ 05, 2:51pm

Michael, I believe a 35 FC with the turbo can tow as much as 10,000 pounds. Go for it. Ernie

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[> Subject: Re: towing


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 5:53pm

Aword to the wise!! NEVER launch a boat by backing it in with a motor home. It is areal good way to lose the whole works and see you coch sink beow the waves! Mount a ball on the front bumper and drop the trailer & Boat, turn around and hook it on the front and drive it down the ramp. This keeps the dual and the better tracion high on the boat ramp where it is less slippery.
harv

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Subject: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
jim powell
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 4:50pm

hello, i just bought a 98 wanderlodge 43' lxi and wanted some feed back from owners of a coach like this. it is my first wonderlodge, i have owned monaco, safari and many other brands as it is the only way my wife can travel due to her extreme back problems and she wont fly. i looked at prevost and many others but i chose wanderlodge because of its price and i asume real quality. i have not had it on a trip, can any of you point out likes and dislikes or anything i should be aware of. respectfully, jim powell

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[> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 03/ 22/ 05, 10:05am

Jim

Most people on this site own a 1995 BB or older. Some may have some good imput for you but I think you would be better served at another site.

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[> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 03/ 26/ 05, 6:20am

Hi Jim,
I've had a '99 LXi43 for 4 years and love it. I found your post here by chance and you should have better results posting at the wanderlodge.org site. That site is in the process of going to a private multi-forum location, for all Birds and you will be able to switch over when the move occurs. In the meantime check out wanderlodge.org and sign up. I will see your posts there along with many others and attempt to help any way possible. We can trade ideas, fixes, etc. I sign on there as "G_man1146" but always sign the posts with my name. Look forward to seeing you there.
Rich D.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
jim powell
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Date Posted: 03/ 26/ 05, 11:09am

thanks rich, for your reply on the 43' lxi, i will change over to the other site and im sure i will have some more questions, thanks again, jim

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 4:50pm

You can be served on this site as well as anywhere, even though SAM does not think so. I will be more than pleased to help you if you e mail me.
Harv

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Subject: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 05, 6:27am

I just bought a very nice 78 FC but the leveling jacks won't operate. I get 2 green lights on the dash when I switch on the leveling system master but that's it. When I move the levers there is no sound. I have tried it with the key on, key in accesory, engine running, air up, etc. Also I don't know where the fluid tank and motor are located. Previous owner said they were working a month ago so I assume it is something simple. Is there a low oil level cut off? Thanks for you help in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 02/ 28/ 05, 2:52pm

Sounds simplistic but are you sure that the leveling master switch on the dash is on?

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo Wa.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 05, 6:27am

I should have read your message more carefully, I see that you had the master switch on. The leveling system motor/hydalic pump is located under/behind the step. It looks like a starter motor. The leveling levers when pushed outboard supply voltage to a solonoid under the step that supplies high current 12 v to the motor.

Steve

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Subject: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Glenn Marvel
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Date Posted: 02/ 27/ 05, 6:37am

I presently drive a 1988 Holiday Rambler 27' class C and am ready to move to a diesel pusher. The SP36 is still a narrow body but will have significantly more room. Would appreciate you sharing insight on the ride and handling of the 36SP and any known problem areas. The power is a 300 hp Cat3208 and I plan to tow a 4500 lb Dodge Dakota.

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 8:57pm

I have a 90 SP that I am crazy about. It rides great and drives excellently. I am as comfortable driving the SP
as I am driving my Lincoln Town Car. I tow a 95 Suziki Sidekick which is lighter than your PU but I forsee no trouble. I get about 6 MPG, according to the weight of the foot, as low as 5.3 above 70 and as high as 6.7 below 60.
Good Luck LT in Eclectic, AL

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[> [> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Glenn Marvel
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 05, 5:47am

Lawrence - Thanks for your post yesterday. Have you experienced or heard of any particular problem areas I should watch out for? Glenn, Salisbury, MD

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 05, 8:55pm

I know of no problems common to the SP that is different than any other model, other than oil from the overflow blowing back on the rad. This can be overcome by extending the overflow pipe to the rear bumper or by opening the rad and washing with Simple Green or a like cleaner every few 1000 miles, but is certainly not a serious problem.
LT

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 27/ 05, 6:37am

Glenn, I used to tow my Suburban ( 6700 LBS ) behind my 1999 31' Tioga ( gas engine ) class C. Starting out From a stop you could hear the engine labor and also stopping distance was increased quit a bit. On the highway the Suburban would push the motorhome around which would cause a lot of swaying and a unstable feel. I now own a 1983 FC Bluebird with a 3208 225 HP and pull the same Suburban and the Bluebird performs great with none of the previous mentioned problems of the Tioga. So with the SP36 with 300 HP you won't even know your Dakota is back there unless you look at your camera monitor. Most BB can tow 10,000 LBS. with no Problem even though a BB Weighs between 30,000 LBS. and 45,000 LBS.

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Subject: Lost Dip Stick


Author:
Ed Watts
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 2:35pm

I have a 1994 Bluebird BMC with a cummins 300 HP. I lost the oil dip stick. I contacted Cummins in California and they need the part number, which was on the dip stick that was lost. I gave them the serial number, but they sent the wrong part. Now there system is down for a few days and can't seem to help me. Does anyone know this part number? Or who else I can contact to find it or buy the correct dip stick? We just bought the 1994 Bus and are new to Bluebird. So far we love it.

Ed Watts

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[> Subject: Re: Lost Dip Stick


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 2:35pm

Have you tried Bluebird. Maybe they can dive you the specs for the dipstick and you could cut one to fit if you can't find the correct one.

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Subject: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
syl guszregan
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 05, 12:14pm

Need to know what type oil is needed in my CLBT 5860
Allison tranny on my drilling rig. Also correct filters for
said tranny. Nothing in all my paperwork. Gus

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 05, 5:24pm

this is a new transmission to me. ???? and in a wanderlodge???

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 3:29am

Why don't you call Allison? If you call them give them more info then you did us!!??

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[> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
syl guszregan
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Date Posted: 02/ 15/ 05, 11:37am

Sam, I don't have Allison's number. Can you please get it for me. Also, I see all your responses to everyones questions, in which i think they're very rude and childlike. What r you 10 years old??? Grow up. Don't respond if you don't know the info instead of responding to us like we're all idiots. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 16/ 05, 5:23am

Syl- are you sure that you are posting to the correct forum? I would send you a private message but you opted to not include that.Thank you

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
Crit
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Date Posted: 02/ 16/ 05, 3:21pm

I dont think Wanderlodge made any drilling rigs, I could be wrong, but that doesnt happen much.

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 05, 12:14pm

I realize you are in need of some info on your drilling rig transmission. The easiest and best way is to go to a large city yellow pages and look up you nearest Detroit/allison dealer. If they can't help you ask for a company number in detroit. Next if you have put a note on this net you obviously have computer net capability. Try www.Detroitdieselallison.com or some varioation thereof.
To all involved, please understand that you are expected to be helpfull on this site, not snide,rude or hateful. If you choose to be that way we would rather you go elsewhere!Although this info request did not involve a Blue Bird, I feel it was ligitmate in nature.

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Subject: Is 7.5 kw diesel generator sufficient for 1980 FC35


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 02/ 13/ 05, 7:16pm

We are looking at getting a 7.5 kw Onan quiet diesel. We have removed the center AC already. We live in Colorado so we are frequently at 6,000 feet plus. Is the 7.5 kw big enough? Also, the 7.5 kw we are looking at is setup for 120 volt. Is that okay or does the original wiring for the Kohler Perkins assume 220 volt?

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Subject: 1980 wanderlodge dashboard is not complete


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 05, 8:30am

I bought a 1980 wanderlodge about 8 months ago. Always wanted one and had to get one. The bus has a 250 w/turbo and someone has done a lot of work to the bus. The problem is I have no idea of what all the toggle switchs are for. The dash is missing the blue plastic that goes thru the center of the dash. I do not have any paper work on the bus. I took the bus to Colorado on labor day weekend last year and it ran faster than I want to drive it. It pulled Raton Pass about 25 to 30 miles an hour. But, I would like to know more about the switchs on the dash. I'm worried now to drive it very far because none of the gauges seem to work. And the ones that do work I have no idea if they are correct. Is there anyone that can point me in the right direction. Please keep in mind that this is the 1st Bus that I have owned so be nice.... I am located in Decatur Texas and would love to meet some vintage wanderlodge people... Thanks for your time...
Don

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Subject: Shore Power for motorhome


Author:
Bill Murdoch
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 05, 6:19pm

I want to hook-up a recepticle for shore power for a Newmar Kountry Star motorhome with 50amp service--what is the proper proceedure--is it 220 volt or 110 volt?

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[> Subject: Re: Shore Power for motorhome


Author:
Frank
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 05, 6:19pm

A 50 amp. power circut is via a cord/receptical that is
powered by two 120vt hot leads and a netural. For this type of wiring, you would need to run from your main electrical panel to the new outlet...not just try to add on to an existing branch circut, due to loads involved. If your not very well grounded in such installations, get it done by electrician.
50 amps allows use of A/C, heaters, etc. Do you need this capability? I park my BB at my house and only need 15amp service as what I need is only for charging batteries, running other minor circuits. For this type of circuit installation, if your handy, it is easy to do and potentially can be added to existing circuit.

Frank
85FC33

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Subject: 6V92 versus 8V92 - Any major differences?


Author:
John Schenck
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 4:39pm

We are in the market for a vintage bird and noticed two Detroit engines used during the years 1986 to 1991. Are there any advantages of one over the other in terms of power and economy? Thanks.

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Subject: Travel-Sat RV Satellite System- Discontinued


Author:
Wayne Owens
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 10:48am

We have a Travel-Sat 1.5 Model 29285 Satellite System but no operating manual. The phone numbers are no longer in service in Palm Desert,California.
Does anyone have any idea who bought out Travel-Sat or where I could get information on this system? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Travel-Sat RV Satellite System- Discontinued


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 10:48am

No

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Subject: floorplans


Author:
steve
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 05, 6:07am

I want to upgrade motorhomes and looking at the FC models but don't know which one I want. Where can I find floorplans for the various lengths and for the SB and RB models to help target my dream bird? Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: floorplans


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 05, 5:46am

Steve
www.wanderlodge.org has some in the files section.
We choose the rear bath FC because it opens up the inside alot, has twin beds but we don't mind.

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[> Subject: Re: floorplans


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 05, 6:07am

If you have kids you won't want them coming back to your bedroom to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, but, if you are old, the big bathroom (rear bathroom is bigger then the side bath ) and twin beds in the rear is the way to go. Rear bath and twins are also a harder resale!

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Subject: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
R. Adams
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:41am

I need a diagram for the installation of a fan belt for a 1991 dodge caravan. automatic with air conditioning. 3.3 motor

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[> Subject: Re: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:37am

Wrong site Idiot!!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:41am

Why not try your local Pep Boys, Murrays or the guy at the corner?

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Subject: Sevice Manuel Needed?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 05, 8:22am

My 78 n/a 3208 210 hp has a fuel leak coming from what looks like the fuel transfer pump. Looking for comments on this repair and where I might find a service manuel.
Also thinking of going after the valve trane adjustment.
Thanks Jeff in CA.

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[> Subject: Re: Sevice Manuel Needed?


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 05, 8:22am

For a 78 Coach the fuel transfer pump is probably an undocumented add on. I have heard that replacements are available through NAPA. I think that Facet is a popular brand. You may have to go to a heavy truck truck center to find one that has the same or better fuel flow capacity. You may not find an exact replacement, and may have to adapt.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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Subject: Winter Use


Author:
Greg
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 05, 2:36pm

Considering purchase of a used Bird. How are they in a cold environment? I would like to take winter as well as summer trips.
Greg

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[> Subject: Re: Winter Use


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 05, 2:36pm

At the present time my wife and I are living full time in a FC35. The weather here gets down to freezing and sometimes stays there for weeks. We have insulated the waterlines and filter, and skirted the bus with heavy denim skirting attached with snaps. we keep a 100 watt lightbulb under the waste water tanks, and have had no problems staying warm even on the coldest nights. We took a trip to Denver Colorado during February last year and was quite comfortable the entire trip. Our coach has three propane heaters, and four hot water heaters running off the engine during travel. when in a campground for long periods where we don't want to use our propane, we use an electric oil filled radiator set in front of the doghouse with a small fan behind it. This is enough to keep the coach at 70 to 75 degrees. The thermostats on the propane heaters ar left at 65 degrees, in case of electric failure during the night.
I hope this answers your questions, if you need further information I can be reached on the internet at M1894@AOL.com

Lee L.

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Subject: gas versus diesel


Author:
caroline
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Date Posted: 01/ 17/ 05, 8:33pm

looking to buy in the lower end of the price range (under $40K).

is a gas engine a thing to be avoided? what are the pitfalls?
(i found an otherwise clean and well maintained unit whose only apparent shortcoming is the gas engine and generator)

tia
cc

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Subject: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
Mark
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 05, 6:45am

Im starting to explore older wanderlodges and I find many that are potentially good coaches for good prices. How do I get the coach inspected by a good service man? Many times the coaches that I am interested in are many states away. Any information you can give me would be helpful. Just starting a family and want many years of fun traveling.

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[> Subject: Re: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 05, 5:22pm

Mark, there are lots of folks who are members that could look at a coach for you. Where is the perspective coach located? Ernie

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[> Subject: Re: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
Mark
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 05, 6:45am

Im in Macon,GA do I just look up a user or Service center where ever the coach is. Thanks for your help.

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Subject: Insurance and roadside service programs and the Bluebird


Author:
Michael Maudlin
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 4:19pm

We are purchasing a 1987 40' Bluebird for full time use. Given the nature and age of the coach, and the fairly large number of insurers and roadside assistance providers, does anyone have any specific experience or recommendations for these two areas?

Thanks,

Michael

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance and roadside service programs and the Bluebird


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 4:19pm

Hi Michael,

Progressive has a pretty good plan. In PA, runs about $650/yr and has a good towing/emergency service provision. Plus, they will allow you to insure it for an "agreed" value instead of depreciating your coach if there is an accident. All they asked me for was a bill of sale or appraisal to justify the value.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

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Subject: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 05, 11:56pm

I am looking to buy a 1984 35-FC that is out of state and the current owner tells me that it has the origional 3208 NA engine (210 hp). Is this possible? Looks like from what I have read it should be a Turbo 250.

Thanks,

Brandon

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[> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 04, 5:23pm

Brandon, my 84 35 FC had the 250 turbo. I suspect that the coach you are looking at has the same. Where is it located? Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 04, 8:01pm

The bus is located in Maine. Seems to me that the 3208NA was not even an option for that year. Owner tells me that it is a "lead sled" but fires off on the first try and runs fine. Is it THAT bad driving the non-turbo? Any other comments would always be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brandon

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 12/ 22/ 04, 8:02am

1982 was the last year for the NA. The 1983 model had the 225 hp turbo. 1984 model 250 hp turbo. Sounds to me like the seller has a model from 1982 or before and thinks it is a 1984 model.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 12/ 22/ 04, 8:56am

We own a 1980 FC35 that had a 210 NA 3208. It was certainly leisurely driving in any kind of hills. 20MPH second gear with every truck passing us was not unusual. Recently had the engine replaced with a rebuild 250 3208 Turbo. The results are amazing, we now pass trucks going up hills and only shifted into third when I had to slow down for a truck and then passed him. Next we are considering changing the gear ratio in the rear end to a lower ratio to lower the rpm's while cruising.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 05, 11:56pm

Just for reference, my 1980 FC31 w/the original 210 NA will rarely fall below 38 mph even on steep grades; typically someone has slowed me down and I can't regain momentum to accelerate while pulling the upgrade. 1000' to 1500'.

It seems that there was one mountain pass between Kansas and oregon when I was first bringing the coach home that my speed dropped to about 25 mph. But that may be a mental myth because I was dead tired, could easily have been 35 mph insteed. Who knows how high I was (in feet).

High altitude however is different from steep grades. 20 mph speeds on grades make since w/a NA if we're talking a few thousand feet or more.

Set your altimeter to 29.92 inches of mercury to see what altitude your engine thinks it's at. I believe we loose something like 3% engine power per 1000' of climb. This is where turbos shine.

Don

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Subject: New to Wanderlodges any suggestions?


Author:
Scott
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Date Posted: 12/ 28/ 04, 8:24pm

My wife and I are currently owners of an Airstream travel trailer and looking at the possibility of purchasing a 80's Wanderlodge. Growing up traveling each year to Florida, I was amazed when I saw a Bluebird traveling down the road. I said some day I need to get one of those pieces of art on wheels. After traveling 7000 miles last year pulling our Airstream, I thought about looking at the potential of purchasing a vintage Wanderlodge.

Any suggestions on major areas to be aware of when looking to purchase would be greatly appreciated. With minimum research, I am finding pricing to be from the low 20's to the low 100's. Any suggestions on pricing other than the obvious, vehicle condition? How concerned should one be regarding miles?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are just starting our quest.

Thanks again,
Scott
Breckenridge, CO

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Subject: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
Kirk
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 04, 3:29pm

I'm thinking of buying an older, well really old, wanderlodge - 1965. Should I be suspect of the Ford Industrial Engines (Compared to the later diesel engine)? I imagine the diesels last much longer. ANYTHING helps.

Thanks, Kirk

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 12/ 16/ 04, 11:26am

The motor lasted 40 years. Thats not a long time?

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
rich n wanda
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Date Posted: 12/ 17/ 04, 7:38am

We are riding in a 1960 Blue Bird bus conversion with Ford engine and she's still doing fine. We have no idea how many miles on it - as 4th owners we inherited a lot of broken bits including odometer and not much history - unable to contact man who originally did the conversion in the '60's but we love her and intend to keep her going if we can. We would appreciate it if you would share any thing you learn about these old babes and we'll do the same

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
John Alley
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 04, 3:29pm

My "68" is the Ford and from what I hear are very
reliable. The other + is parts are available at most
autoparts for most things that could cause problems.
Gas is cheaper than Diesel too. (really wrong..)
But up hills, I get out front and jog and my wife
drafts me to the top.

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Subject: porch light


Author:
nom descono
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 04, 6:35am

I've replaced the bulbs......and turned on light from the push button.....
Is there a switch inside the coach that turns it on/off? I've tried all the regular fixes.

Nom Descono
'85 FC35
San Diego,County,CA.

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Subject: FC35 Porch light


Author:
Nom Descono
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Date Posted: 12/ 12/ 04, 8:18am

I have a '85 FC35, and I can't get the outside porchlight to work. Maybe I don't even know where the swich is.....

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Porch light


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 12/ 04, 8:18am

Nom, you may have a burnt out bulb, bad ballast, no electric , and you also may have a push button switch on the base of the unit.

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Subject: Tach sender unit


Author:
Don Meyer
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Date Posted: 12/ 11/ 04, 5:46pm

I have an 86 PT38 with 8V92. My tach sending unit has a broken shaft. Does anyone know where to buy a replacement sending unit. I do not want to replace just the shaft as the sending unit itself is very hard to turn. Probably what caused the shaft to break. Thanks all...

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Subject: general inquiry


Author:
Wanda Bare
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Date Posted: 12/ 8/ 04, 5:27pm

Technically, our 1960 is not a wanderlodge but a schoolbus conversion- done privately by former owner, but we would still like to hear from anyone who can provide us with insight, information or advice. My husband said to tell you that it has a Ford drive train and 5 speed manual transmission. Thanks

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Subject: Rough idle after warm up eventually stalls


Author:
Stan Andersonn / '77 FC31 / Clay , NY
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Date Posted: 12/ 5/ 04, 11:07am

Hi,I have been lurking and learning for quite some time on this site. I own a '77 FC31 which has developed an idle problem 2 or 3 minutes after starting engine. I have very little deisel knowlege but the whole event sounds simular to an older automotive (gas) engine that deisels after engine shut off ending with eventully stalling out. I have it serveced and inspected annually in the spring with a local big rig mechanic so standard filters and such should be up to snuff. The problem started at the end of my return leg of our annual Tennesee trip this summer in wich she would not idle with out tickling the throttle at a stop. My first thought was possiblay bad fuel so have since ran through and refilled with fresh local deisel wich almost seemed to help half way through that tank,but was wishful thinking for as the problem still exist sometimes worse than others. This Bird runs fine going down the road but she dosn't want to idle. Just wondering if this stirs any thoughts of possible diogosis from anyone? Some kind of fuel pressure, governor, ect.

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Subject: Blubird plumbing repair facility in Las Vegas?


Author:
G E Kirby
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Date Posted: 12/ 4/ 04, 2:13pm

I have an '87 40pt with major plumbing problems.
The 'old boy' is stored in Las Vegas but will need to
have service/repair before it can be used. Does anyone
know of a quality repair facility in the Las Vegas area
that would be equippecd to properly work on this unit?
Thanks!

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Subject: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Joe
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:28am

does anyone know where I can find the model 2490 Primus heater for a '93 bird?

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 03, 5:56pm

Blue Bird (800/495-7787) has re-acquired access to Primus parts.

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:01am

Primus stuff can be purchased for about half the money direct from the (I believe it is the Swedish) distributor. I am having trouble with my email right now or else I could post the link. BB wanted $102 for an igniter and this link wanted $52 which included shipping. When I get the link I will post it. Also they take credit cards.

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:28am

bisk@telia.com is the guy to go to for Primus parts at half the cost of Bluebird

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Subject: BMC vs. Spartan Chassis


Author:
Bill Dalton
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Date Posted: 12/ 2/ 04, 9:23am

I have been looking at 1991-1995 Bluebirds and am wondering if there are substantial differences in these different frames?

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Subject: 120 Volt Extension cord hook-up to chargers


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 2/ 04, 8:35am

read a fix on the site that said you can hook up the battery chargers and inverters to a standard 20 amp extension cord by unplugging the chargers and inverters and plugging into the extension cord. Are these simple plug in devices or are they hard wired?

Thanks

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Subject: STOLEN 1978 FC-33


Author:
Raymond H. Smith, Jr.
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 04, 12:34pm

ALERT...STOLEN FC-33 from shreveport, LA. This bus is painted silver, and has a cantelope sized dent in the upper left rear outside corner of the bus. GA tags (which I doubt are still on the bus) ASB 8151. Vin number 40S46839. Keep you eyes open....I want my bus back!!!!

If you think you've seen it call 478-731-6000, Thanks.

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Subject: Mirrors


Author:
Martha Vaughn
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 04, 7:01pm

Being of the age where mirrors are not my best friend, I want to remove or cover most of the mirrors in our new to us, 1999 BB LXI. I'd like to get rid of the French bordello look and the prisms of light that dance all over the coach during the day and the reflected headlights at night. Does anyone know how the mirrors are attached? Can they be removed without damage to the underlying "whatever." Is it best to remove or cover over? Which is best for the resale value? Any suggestions for covering materials? Also does anyone have any ideas for turning the wine cabinet into something more useful?
Martha and Charlie, owners of "GigaRex

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Subject: Filters


Author:
Dick Sevey
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 04, 5:48am

Can anyone tell me on my 1983 FC 33 if the filter mounted near the right side of the transmission would be for the transmission or one of the fuel filters?

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Subject: Cat 3208 choice


Author:
stephen george
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 04, 1:21am

I'm currently looking for a 31' (or 33') late '70s or early 80's 'Bird ($$ considerations). I also want to be able to tow a car/trailer combination weighing apprx. 6000 lbs with it. My question is whether the NA (210hp) will be able to handle this comfortably (ie. no overheating or 25 mph hills), or should I be directing my search for a T (250hp)? Would the difference in weight from a 31' to a 33' make any difference? I would appreciate any feedback from owners who've had any experience in this area. Thanx in advance.... Steve

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 choice


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 11/ 25/ 04, 9:06am

Hi
Saw your post. We have a 33'82 Wanderlodge for sale. It was my little brother's and he took excellent care of it. It is set up to pull. It is a turbo diesel with around 30K miles, the coach has only 67,000 original miles. Have pics and more info if you are interested. Rose Mary

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 choice


Author:
Crit Bliss
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 04, 1:21am

We own an FC-33, 1980, that had been upgraded to a 250 turbo by the former owner, a friend has a 210 FC-33, you would not believe the performance difference. We tow a 10,000lb trailer, no problem. The coach will go 72mph towing or not, she isnt fast, just steady. If you buy a 210 and hate it, you will be faced with the choice of a tough sell or a very expensive upgrade. Happy hunting.

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Subject: Primus 2490


Author:
Dick Hayes
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 04, 1:21am

One of my boilers (Primus 2490) clicks several times then there is a poof. No ignition just clicks, poofs and nothing else. If there is a fix can parts be found in the USA? I have searched high and low but to no avail.

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[> Subject: Re: Primus 2490


Author:
Bisk AB Sweden
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 04, 1:21am

Check with Mr.Mike hamlin at Blue Bird Body phone: 478-822-2047. We think the problem is the Electrode.
Your Sincerely

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Subject: air line quick connect type question


Author:
Fred Bieti
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Date Posted: 11/ 21/ 04, 8:41am

I have a 1992 PT 40 WB/WL.

Can you tell me what type of quick connect fittings are used on this coach?

I would like to put an air hose and possibly an aux air compressor on same.

Fred Bieti

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Subject: bluebird owners poconos pa


Author:
joe
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 04, 3:38pm

looking to buy a used 81 bluebird in the pocono area of pa. called bluebird and they have no dealers in the area to have the unit checked out a little. looking for any bluebird owners in this area that i can contact to get some info as to what some of the main things that should be checked are before we purchase. thanks
joe

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[> Subject: Re: bluebird owners poconos pa


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 04, 3:38pm

Hi Joe,
Was looking through old messages and saw your post. Not sure if you found a bird yet. Just purchased an '85 pusher in August. We live in Hershey. If you are ever down this way, give me a few days notice and I'll give you the 10 cent tour. I was partial to the pusher due to the quiet ride. Having driven trucks with front motor in a past life, I was hoping to get away from the drone and vibration.
Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

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Subject: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Jon Ecker
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 04, 4:25am

I have an FC35 with a 12.5 kW Diesel generator thats louder than a Who concert. I'd like to get a generator that meets national park standards so we don't always have to have power. Does anyone have any experience with sub 70db generators running on an older bird whith two AC units, battery charger and microwave? Can you get away with one of the 5.5 kW propane jobs?

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
oene pomper
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 4:52pm

I am replacing ours with a Onan quiet diesel. It is super quiet and lighter in weight.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Shawn
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:15pm

What kw size did you go with? Did it fit w/o much modification? Are there any gotchas to watch out for or is install straightforward? Thanks in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing the generator with something less noisy


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 04, 4:25am

I would stick with a diesel generator. You have more fuel and with propane, you'll be filling up more frequently.

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Subject: 1978 thomas conversion steering


Author:
Ron
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:13pm

have a 78 thomas saf-t-liner conversion , looks just like
wanderlodge , it is powered by cummins 555 with allision
a/t . i need info on locating drag link for steering .

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[> Subject: Re: 1978 thomas conversion steering


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:13pm

Give me a call at 817-589-1932. I think I have a Thomas buss that was built by B/B that they made a pusher of it.

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Subject: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:00pm

Hey Gang,

The OEM (bronze tinted) side window glass originally supplied in my 1977 31' FC (534 Gas) has seen better days.

Is it cost effective to have the glass replaced in the existing frames? If so is there a source for the bronze tinted glass (I cannot find it). What about a rebuilder?

Aditionally, the window channel seals "felt-like" are rusted away and need replacing. JC whitney does not have the right size nor can I locate it either. Any suppliers that you guys are aware of? I have made an accurate detailed drawing of the windows dimensions should anyone need a copy..

Thanks for the help!

Regards,

Patrick

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
David L. Steinwinder
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Date Posted: 09/ 18/ 04, 10:11am

I have a similar problem on my '72. Bluebird informed me that they no longer make their casings and referred me to Penensula Glass. Tel: 1-360-892-2029. I haven't contacted them as yet, but intend to come cold weather.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacing Bronze Tinted Safety Glass in 1977 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 8:00pm

I have a full set of B/B windows still in original crate from B/B that I am not going to use and will take $2400.00 for them. They were for a 1981 side bath.

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Subject: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 7:03pm

We want to be able to run the generator in parks. I think requirement is 70 decibel max, and new quiet gensets operate under 70 decibels. Has anyone soundproofed the original 12.5 perkins/kohler to get around 70 decibels? If so, what materials and what if anything special did you do about the fan (e.g. build wall btw fan and generator? Or do you think our only option is to get a new quiet diesel?

Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Jeff August
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 04, 7:19am

Shawn, You could ask this question at wanderlodge.org / I am wondering this as well. 80FC35RB

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[> Subject: Re: Soundproofing Generator on '80 FC35


Author:
Marvin Middlebrooks
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 04, 7:03pm

Hello, I have the same problem and would also like to know the answer to this questions. My unit puts out 96 deb. If anyone has the answer please let me know. Marvin 81-35'FC

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Subject: Bluebird envy


Author:
John Barry
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 04, 3:58am

I live in Southern NM and travel extensively in higher elevations. Lots of long hot climbs pulling approx 7500 lb van. I am selling my present coach, a 2000 American Eagle that we have been putting around 16000 miles a year on. We use it just about 12 months a year, dry camping usually 150 days per year. Which Bluebird model would be my best bet if my wife won't let me spend more than 100,000 dineros? It would be my fourth motorhome and I've always liked BBs but never have had one. I don't want to be a full time mechanic. Part time is OK. I'd appreciate any informed opinions. Thanks, John Barry

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird envy


Author:
Crit Bliss
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 04, 3:58am

Buy a 1988 PT-40 with the big 8v92 detroit, you will be all set.

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Subject: Rear bath bird


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 11/ 6/ 04, 4:40pm

We are looking for an FC35 with rear bath. Have owned a 78 and 88 FC35 with rear bed, and see lots of them for sale. Were the rear baths only made during certain years and in small numbers, or are they so popular that they are hard to find?
Thanks for the info.

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Subject: Height of a Wanderlodge when air bags are filled


Author:
Jon Lechich
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/ 04, 11:57am

I was wondering what the height of a 33 ft 1982 wanderlodge is and what the is the width. Thanks Jon

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[> Subject: Re: Height of a Wanderlodge when air bags are filled


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 11/ 5/ 04, 11:57am

11' to 11 1/2' high 96" wide

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Subject: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Ken Johnson
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 04, 9:52am

I'm looking for a mid-80's Bluebird, and am trying to get information regarding Cat 3208 diesel engines. I'd like to know how many miles (or hours) can be put on an engine before major work needs to be done, or it needs to be rebuilt. I'd also like to know if there are parts of the engine (i.e. fuel pump, water pump, etc) that tend to go "bad" or wear, and have to be replaced (I know that diesels are better than gas engines, and have been convinced by the information I've seen on the Vintage Bird site - that's why I'm looking for a Bluebird :-) ). I have the same type of questions regarding Allison transmissions. I just want to know if there are any "pitfalls" I should be looking for.

Thanks for any assistance!

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 08/ 11/ 04, 12:46pm

The main thing to do, is to do a lube and Oil change every 6000 miles or every six months, which ever comes first, this keeps down acid build up in the oil pan, also have the valves adjusted every 60,000 miles. I also have my oil checked for metal filings and contamination when the oil is changed. If all factory recommendations are followed the 3208 engine will make 400,000 miles with minimum costs.

Lee L.

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Rose Mary Smith
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 04, 2:01pm

Hi
I saw your post. My brother was recently killed and the family would like to find a home for his bluebird. It is an 82, well maintained, low miles and hours. He kept it tip top.
new tires, belts, hoses. A new diesel cat engine, rebuilt transmission etc.
All owners manuals and a log of hours and work done since he bought the coach as a second owner. The bank repoed from the original owner.
Sincerely
Rose Mary

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Ken Johnson
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Date Posted: 09/ 5/ 04, 2:51pm

Rose Mary:
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. We wound up purchasing an '83, however, my brother is looking for a similar coach. Can you e-mail me some information or photos? Is there a phone number to someone who can answer questions about it? Thanks!

Ken Johnson
'83 FC35

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 Engines


Author:
Lorilee Rainey
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 04, 10:46am

Sorry about the loss of your brother. We are currently looking for a vintage bird to purchase. I am not familiar with this list, so I don't know how to post directly to you. I would be interested in any info you could give me on the rig you are selling. Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 8N#7005


Author:
Ali Samantha
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Date Posted: 11/ 1/ 04, 9:52am

Dear Sir,

I'm just visited your website.
I'm Purchasing Manager in SAMANTHA Inc.
And I indeed very interest with your product that a searching for,
So I would like to order and purchase your product,

- Nozzle caterpillar part 8N#7005 Qty : 80 Pcs

I choose credit card ( VISA or Master Card ) for the payment methode.
Because it's more faster and I don't have wait for long the process.
Please calculate your right price of my order and shipping internationaly (Singapore)
by Air Freight ( UPS,FedEx or DHL ).
Please advise, Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

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Subject: 65 Wanderlodge, miles and saftey


Author:
kit katz
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 04, 9:28am

1965 Bluebird Wanderlodge
front engine gasoline 352 ford industrial puller with Allison 8spd. automatic

1. How many miles would you expect this engine/tranny to take before it has to be rebuilt, or…
2. Does the odometer actually register miles in the hundred thousands?
3. Does it have that steel bar in the front end, absorbing [some of] the shock in the event of collision?
4. Fire: Do you hear of many fires in these coaches? If so, what generally causes and prevents them?
5. Anything you wanna tell me about its quirks and uttter fabulousness

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Subject: Air System question on 1988 35 ft BB w/ Cat 3208 Turbo


Author:
Marc Glassmire
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 04, 10:53am

When I started my coach the air system would not pressurize so obviously no suspension, brakes, etc. I realize that these are only minor inconveniences but none the less Items that I have grown accustomed to. Is this system belt driven or electronically (12V) operated? Where does one find the compressor on the coach? Also noticed that ammeter never registered with engine running, volt meter registered only 11.5 volts which to me indicates lack of or insufficient charging from alternator. This I know is belt driven and I am wondering if air system is driven from same belt. Replies/Information here or via e-mail would be most welcome!

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[> Subject: Re: Air System question on 1988 35 ft BB w/ Cat 3208 Turbo


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 04, 10:53am

On my coach a 1980 FC35 Cat 3208 Turbo there are 2 belts that drive both the alternator and air compressor, you must have lost both of them. If you have a swing radiator it will be easy to change the belts. If you need more info e-mail me and I can e-mail a picture.

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Subject: PT 40 Speed


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 10/ 25/ 04, 12:31am

What should be the top speed[on level road] of a Pt 40 with 6V92 5speed.
thanks, marvin

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[> Subject: Re: PT 40 Speed


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 10/ 25/ 04, 12:31am

I WOULD SAY AROUND 65 OR 70MPH,,, DON'T REV THE ENGING PAST 2150 RPMS FOR A DETROIT DIESEL 6V92 SILVER,,,, THAT IS AROUND 65 70MPH,,, DAY,,,

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Subject: Grease Fitting Location


Author:
LGMN
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 7:56pm

I gave my ‘84 PT36 a grease job and was able to find all the fittings except one. I could not find the grease fitting for the steering column universal located somewhere inside the left front access panel. Does anyone know where to find the fitting? Does the steering wheel have to be positioned properly to find it?

LGMN
'84 pt36
AL

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[> Subject: Re: Grease Fitting Location


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 7:56pm

The service manager at my authorized Blue Bird dealer, who had thirteen years experience at the Blue Bird factory, said my 1984 PT36 did not have a grease fitting in the steering shaft. I replaced the steering column a few years ago and it had a collar that fitted over a pin in the steering shaft so there may not be a universal joint in the 84's. 85's and 86's have the zerk fitting in the middle of the universal joint and the shaft must be positioned correctly to both see the fitting and attach the grease nozzle. I understand the universal joint is just above the steering box and an eighteen inch flexible extension is needed to reach the fitting. The fitting is so inaccessible, that even if seen, there may not be enough room to attach the extension to the fitting.

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Subject: Wide body


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 10/ 22/ 04, 10:44am

I am interested in knowing if the wide body is a choice that people are happy they made. Does the wide body restrict places that can be visited? Does it limit campgrounds? Is it favored by a certain type of owner, ie.,short term users vs. long time users? If you could make the decision over again, would you choose a wide body? Does the wide body command a higher price than the 96 inch wide?

I sincerely appreciate any answers that I recieve. I am trying not to make a mistake that might require having to repeat the process.

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Subject: horsepower


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 04, 2:48pm

I am interested in finding the shortest Bluebird pusher that has over 400 horsepower. Which models would this be? Prefer years from 1985 to 1992 (for $ reasons).

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Subject: 2 speed differential


Author:
Grant Thacker
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 1:02pm

We purchased a 1986 Bluebird and were wondering if anyone has installed a 2 speed differential. It is an 892 4speed automatic. If so, a return email would be appreciated with some idea of cost and where to get parts.

Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: 2 speed differential


Author:
Gary Sprague
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 10:49pm

Hello Grant .... I understand the need for a SERIOUS road gear to allow maximum life from our over-revved Diesels. I have a fresh 3208 Cat and feel it'll be short-lived if I continue cruising at 3000rpm and 69mph. I'm running a 5;29 and recently picked-up a freshly rebuilt Rockwell 2-speed with a 4.11 tag beside the air shifter. My Allison transmission is a MT643 4 speed and lock-up torque converter. I bought a service manual from Allison and it mentions the procedure when using a 2speed rear gear, so its OK with the company. With my 4.11 also comes a 5.61 so I'm actually getting just what I' d been hoping for. I'm in contact with 1 other board member that has also done this very swap! Complete axle assembly -- I'm just about ready to start on mine. If I can help let me know. I want to cruise at somewhere between 1800 and 2500rpm and I'm almost certain these motors will never wear out!!! Thanks for listening Gary in Waldo - Fl

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[> [> Subject: Re: 2 speed differential


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 04, 1:02pm

I just replaced the Cat 3208 NA in our 1980 FC35 with an fresh rebuild Cat 3208 250 Turbo. The change in driving is unbelievable, it almost drives like a car. I now need to address the rear end, 5.29 is to low. I am looking for a 4.65 or so but may look into a 2-speed, where did you find the 2-speed?

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Subject: Propane Parts


Author:
Matt Kowalski
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 9:46pm

I have a 1986 PT38 which has a leaking propane regulator. BB used seperate high and low pressure regulators and I am having trouble locating the high pressure only regulator. The combo two-stage units are very common. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: Propane Parts


Author:
Hubert Harrien
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 04, 6:45pm

I have an 81' 35fc and I recently developed a leak in the regulator. I think it was the diaphram. I checked around and the only place I found was Holland Motor Homes. They were very helpful and said they only sold the whole regulator, not just the diaphram. They said they stocked it and would ship it to me.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Propane Parts


Author:
Don 1980FC31
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Date Posted: 10/ 14/ 04, 9:46pm

Any propane dealer should be able to provide you with a high side regulator. If you have the space by the regulator, most have a free port that you can unplug and add a PSI guage. I beleive 10 PSI is the correct setting.

On your old regulator, if you loosen the jam nut and attempt to adjust the pressure this will often wreck the old dried out diaphram and all your propane will slowly leak away.

Due to liability, most shops will not rebuild an old regulator. About $30. Most internet sites will not sell direct to the public unless it is part of a system.

Regards, Don

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Subject: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 04, 6:43pm

My wife has "fallen in love" with a 78 Bluebird for sale down the street. We have six children and would love to join the Bluebird family. My question is: Are there seatbelts in these older models, and if not, can they be retrofitted?

Thanks for any help here.

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 5:53pm

My 79 has three seatbelts behind the cushions in the couch behind the driver. If there is a couch on the passenger side, there may or may not be belts behind it.Can almost guarranty though that there will not be enough and you will be installing more. should be plenty doable as there is plenty of support in the floor system for additional belts.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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[> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 9:48pm

Thanks. It will need some belts. I checked out the Bird today. I must say I was fairly impressed by its solid construction, old as she is, she is very well kept up. We are taking it on a test this weekend to Cape Cod. The kids are down there already, camping out in a large tent--our current "2nd home." I will look further ino how to install seatbelts; I figured four on the dinette and three on the couch and we'd be fit for a cruise. Thanks for the post.

PS Convince me I'm on the right track!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Rich Cline
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Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 04, 9:45pm

I need to install additional seatbelts in my 78FC33. I'd appreciate you sharing what you learn about adding the belts (I'll pass on anything I pick up as well).

R. Cline
Circleville, OH
78FC33

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 04, 6:43pm

seat belts can be installed almost anywhere, except the fuel and holding tank areas.The floor is plywood over steel. Just be careful where you drill. Ernie Ekberg

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 07/ 1/ 04, 5:22pm

John, the more you learn about Birds the more you will learn to love them. They are extremely rugged and last forever.

If I were going to install seatbelts I would go to a local company that does handicapped van conversions. They routinely install belts and can do it correctly.

Another great resource for info on Birds and getting help from members is the Wanderlodge Owners Forum at http://wanderlodge.org. Please feel free to join us.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 1983 FC35RB

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[> [> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 8:02pm

Thanks Bruce, That is a great idea. I will follow through on that and let folks know the cost.

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
tjhannink
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Date Posted: 07/ 26/ 04, 11:55am

My '81 FC-33 has dual front couches, each with 2-sets of seat belts. The dinette also has 2-sets of seatbelts at each bench location. Including the driver and front passenger seats, my coach has seat belts for 10 people, all factory with the Bluebird logo on the buckle. They were all hidden under the seats, I had to remove the dinette booth to get out those belts, the previous owner must have gotten sick of them.

Tim Hannink
1981 FC-33
Winter Park, FL

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[> Subject: Re: Seat belts in Bluebirds


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 10/ 12/ 04, 10:00am

We added a couch on the passenger side and added seatbelts for 3 kids. We removed the interior siding to get to the vertical metal braces. We had to cut out the insulation around the braces we wanted to add. We attached 2" 90 angle iron to the vertical supports, and then a 6 foot 90 angle iron to those. We drilled holes in the 6-foot horizontal section and attached hardened steel eyes with hardened bolts. We attach the kid car seats to those. Or instead of the eyes, you could directly attach seat belt hardware if your kids are older. We then added more insulation and reinstalled the interior siding. This all took about 5 hours once I had all the supplies. The supports are probably overkill but it makes the wife happy. And it is now really quick and easy to add and remove car seats b/c we can use the child seat quick connects.

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Subject: water tank leak


Author:
BOB MALONEY
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 04, 3:30pm

I HAVE ABOUT A 5 OR 6 INCH CRACK IN THE TOP OF MY FRESH WATER TANK HAS ANYONE HAD THIS PROBLEM AND IF SO HOW DID
YOU REPAIR IT OR IF REPLACED TANK HOW MUCH AND WHERE DID YOU GET IT
THANKS BOB
79FC35

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[> Subject: Re: water tank leak


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 04, 3:30pm

I repaired ours with a kit I got at Camping World made for that purpose. I'd drill a small hole at both ends of the crack so it won't grow larger even under the repair.

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Subject: New Owners


Author:
Jeff August
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 7:33am

We just bought a 1980 FC35RB after many years of dreaming of owning one. The stick and staple coaches just can't take the abuse the midwest roads give. Has a turbo 3208 and air ride, (I believe air ride was a option in 80) it drives much better than our 21 foot class c coach. I have learned many things from this board that I think will be helpful in the future. To us a Blue Bird is like a pice of art and am proud to be joining you people as a owner of one!
Jeff & Michelle August
Plymouth Wi.

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Subject: GVW / FC 35


Author:
John-Paul FitzPatrick
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:11am

Up here in New Hampshire there is a TAX on all vehicles, based upon GVW...I have not been able to determine how much an FC 35 weighs.....how about a PT/40 also ?..
Anyone out there know ? thanks......

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 04, 4:32am

Around 1000lb. a foot. (FC35 35000lb.) Give or take 1 or 2 thousand lb.

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:10am

If you want to know right to the pound how much your MH weighs,put it on a scale at a truck stop. unload all your junk that you store in your motorhome. also, are you going to weigh it wet or dry? Diesel fuel weighs 6.5lbs a gal. and water weighs 8lbs a gal. 1000lbs a foot is a estimate only.

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[> Subject: Re: GVW / FC 35


Author:
Sam Adams
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Date Posted: 10/ 3/ 04, 5:11am

If you want to know right to the pound how much your MH weighs put it on a scale at a truck stop. unload all your junk that you store in your motorhome. also, are you going to weigh it wet or dry? Diesel fuel weighs 6.5lbs a gal. and water weighs 8lbs a gal. 1000lbs a foot is a estimate only.

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Subject: power selector switch


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 04, 12:05pm

Cannot fint the power selector switch to switch from gen power to shore power.
The owners manual says below oven but my coach [84 pt40] only has over counter oven and cannot locate the switch.
Does anyone know where I should look, the coach is new to me?
thanks
marvin

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[> Subject: Re: power selector switch


Author:
Robert Foster
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 04, 12:05pm

On my '85PT40 the selector switch is located in the floor between the passenger seat and the wall near the door frame. The switch is covered by a 6"x6" door (covered with carpet), with a small pull ring for opening.

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Subject: TRIM ON SIDE


Author:
BOB MALONEY
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 04, 5:06am

THE BRIGHT TRIM THAT COVERS THE SEAM COVERS ON THE SIDES OF SOME FCs. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE YOU CAN BUY THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE ITS ADDED ON SOME HAVE IT SOME DO NOT.
TKS BOB 606 663 8266 EMAIL bobmaloney@bellsouth.net

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Subject: Installation of Prosine 3.0 Charger/inverter in a 1977' 31' Wanderlodge FC


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 09/ 14/ 04, 7:16pm

Hello again,

I have a brand new (high dollar) Prosine 3.0 Inveter/charger but am not sure the best place to put it. I am leaning to the basement compartment directly behind the rear wheel driver side and will have to weld up a tilted (unit is too tall) bracket to do so. My concern is the fact the units instructions say to stand it on end for the chimney cooling effect.

Does anyone have any advice on this location or suggest a different location?

Has anyone installed (or using) this unit and have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for any help in this matter!

Sincerely,

Patrick

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Subject: Curtain Rods/Tracks for 31' 1977 FC 534 CID Gas


Author:
Patrick Guy
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Date Posted: 09/ 14/ 04, 7:05pm

Does anyone know where I can buy parts to repair & rebuild the "low profile" curtain rods (or tracks) for the 1977 Wanderlodge?

How about new replacements?

Anyone know who made them?

Anyone have old ones that I can buy & use or rob of parts?

Any help would be appreciated...

Have a great day!

Patrick - Houston Texas

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Subject: Fuel Tank Pump


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 09/ 13/ 04, 8:09pm

1985 FC35. Is the tank pump in the tank or on top? No problems yet, but would like to be informed.
Thanks Jack

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Subject: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Clay Wilhoyte
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 04, 6:29am

We have (had?) a 1981 FC33 that was totally destroyed in a fire early this week. We are still in shock. I am dealing with the insurance company now. Does anyone know how they come up with a value in a total loss? I can't seem to find a source online. We are going to replace it. Any help would be appreciated.

Clay Wilhoyte
FC33

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:42pm

I would look at the internet as well as this web site in the "For Sale" section. If you spend some time searching you will get a pretty good idea what your couch was worth. Sorry to hear of your loss. We have a '81, 31" and would be devistaterd by what you are are reporting.

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
Jeff Lubbers
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Date Posted: 05/ 27/ 04, 11:06am

I lost my 1972 BB last year to fire. Look on web sites Bird Connection and Rvtraderonline.com as well as the Vintage Birds web site. It helps if you can prove the worth of your bird. I also gave them pictures of my BB which showed them how nice it was. The good news is they gave me what I paid for the BB, 5 years earlier. We also took this opportunity to upgrade and get some features the old BB lacked. We got more room and more power. Good luck

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
David L. Steinwinder
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 04, 6:29am

Did you, by any chance, save any of your manuals regarding the '72 Bluebird? I've recently acquired a '72 and in need of any kind of information regarding this vehicle, especially the mechanics and schematic diagrams.
Everything is new to me and diffinitely interested in learning what makes this bird fly.
Thanks David

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[> Subject: Re: Blue Bird fire


Author:
bamnc
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Date Posted: 06/ 20/ 04, 10:46pm

Clay, you might check you insurance policy. I know that mine has a value specified in the policy.

You can also get some ideas on http://www.wanderlodge.org if you want to.

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Subject: Rally in the Valley


Author:
Garry Yaffe
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 04, 12:11pm

Could someone provide the information in regard to when the Rally in the Valley is held? Is it possible to attend if one is not presently a Bluebird owner, but wants to buy a unit? I am looking for my first "Bird" and thought this would be a good opportunity to look a several different units. Thanks in advance for help.

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Subject: 78 thomas fc drag link


Author:
ron
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Date Posted: 09/ 6/ 04, 5:15pm

trying to find replacement drag link for 78 thomas saf-t-liner . any info would be appreciated.

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Subject: PT 40 cooling fan direction of rotation


Author:
Dan Starr
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 04, 6:38pm

Just purchased an 1985 PT-40 and had to replace Radiator and Hyd pump motor.The new pump sounds like the drive fins are hitting the motor case. We are wondering if the fan installation could pull the shaft towards the radiator.
Does the fan pull cooling air through the radiator towards the engine or does it draw air from around the engine and then push it through the radiator.

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Subject: engine size


Author:
marshall neeley
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 04, 7:29pm

Hi there I am a newby to motorhomes and I am interested in the Bluebirds. I have been reading ads that state engine sizes. They give different engines and the Detroit is a 60 series. However, you have a 400,425,450,475and a 500. Is there a data plate that tells you which engine power you have and where is it located.
Thanking you in advance for you help

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Subject: 1982 PT40 QUESTIONS


Author:
MIKE FARMER II
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 04, 6:34am

2 years ago I purchased a 1982 pt40 with 217,000 miles. We have taken some long trips with relatively few problems. I am now getting the engine alarm light and buzzer going off once in a while. I can't figure out why. The fluids are fine, oil pressure reads above 40 at cruising speed. Should I be concerned? Now yesterday I replaced the 3 batteries in the engine compartment, but now I can't get it to start. The lights all come on like normal, but the starter won't turn over. Any ideas? I greatly appreciate any information. I am a new owner, without much knowledge about motorhomes in general. Thank you, Mike

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Subject: Bluebird recommendations


Author:
Bob
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Date Posted: 08/ 27/ 04, 3:43pm

I,m looking to buy a late 80's or early 90's 40' bluebird but I'm getting the impression that the mid 80's birds are better built. Is there any truth to that, as it seems that the 84 birds go for close to as much as the later models. Is there an all around best year for Bluebird? and why is that year better. Any help will be appreciated.

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Subject: 6V92


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:37pm

What was the first year for the silver series 6V92?
thanks,marvin
searching for a PT

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[> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 04, 10:01pm

Hello Marvin,

1982 was the first 40' and the first 6V92 pusher.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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[> [> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 5:46am

Yes I know that, but when did the silver series up dates
happen?
thanks'marvin

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 6V92


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:37pm

In 1982 when BlueBird started building the 40' pushers I believe they came standard with a 6V92 red series engine and you could upgrade to the silver series 6V92. My coach has the silver series. I have seen two other 1982 40' coaches and they both had the seliver series as well. I believe the red series is a lighter duty engine. I had some info about this, but I could not find it. The 1982 sales brochure showes the coach and the chassis pictures with the red series in them. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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Subject: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:04pm

Does anyone know where the Cruise Control Module is located on a 40'1982 BlueBird pusher? Also what it looks like. I have been unable to find it on my coach.

I have found a place in Texas that will rebuild it through your web site, but I need to find it first. BlueBird has hidden it well, or I am looking right at it and just not recognizing it.

Thanks in advance,

Don Cleary

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 04, 9:56pm


Does anyone know where the Cruise Control Module is located on a 40'1982 BlueBird pusher? Also what it looks like. I have been unable to find it on my coach.

I have found a place in Texas that will rebuild it through your web site, but I need to find it first. BlueBird has hidden it well, or I am looking right at it and just not recognizing it.

Thanks in advance,

Don Cleary

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 3:28pm

My cruise control is behind a metal panel just in front of the batteries in the engine compartment. There is an L shaped metal cover that goes over the Rediline.If you start unscrewing that cover, there is a flange at the top of that and that is where your cruise is.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Cruise Control Module (HELP)


Author:
Don Cleary
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 04, 10:04pm

Hello Ernie

Thank you very much. I have been looking up front near the instrument panel. I would have never thought to look there.

Regards,

Don Cleary

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Subject: Synthetic Oil


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 04, 11:54pm

Does anyone have any reliable facts on whether using synthetic oils in diesel engines is a good thing? I'm fixing to perform an oil change and would like to use synthetic if it's better than regular oil. I use synthetic in my gas engines, but the guy who sold me my Bird said it was not good in diesel engines. Unfortunately, I can't remember why he said it was bad. Any help appreciated...Henry F. Claeys II, 1979 FC 35, Cat 3208 NA, plus Kohler Diesel 12 KW generator, at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil


Author:
L Longcrier
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 04, 3:06pm

I asked My CAT Dealer and he said said to use Rotella T. That is what they use in new and Rebuilt engines at their shop.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 04, 11:54pm

Is Rotella a synthetic oil? If not, has he considered synthetic and what are his reasons for not using it? Thanmks....Henry Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Power Steering Pump Problems


Author:
Eric Johnson
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 04, 3:48pm

I have a 1984 FC35 and my power steering pump is leaking around the shaft. A surprise as I replaced the pump 2 years ago with a new unit from BB. I'm wondering if the leakage is related to drive belt tension. I recently reset belt tensions using a deflection gauge and am curious if others have had the same problem. It seems I'm faced with a choice between a slipping drive belt or a leaking shaft packing.

Can the pump be rebuilt? Is there a more reliable replacement pump?

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[> Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump Problems


Author:
Eric Johnson
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 04, 3:48pm

Please disregard my earlier question. I got into the front end this a.m. and found out the source of the leak was a loose connection on the discharge of the power steering pump. Easy fix. Not related to drive belt tension.

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Subject: Leaky Roof A/C


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 08/ 10/ 04, 3:14am

I have a 1979 FC 35 with Three FrigiKing roof A/C units. The rear unit is leaking water into the bus when it operates. I climbed on the roof, removed the A/C cover, and pushed a small wire into the rubber tubes that end just near the fan. My home A/C guy told me that those tubes were probably plugged up. Although the leaking has gone down, it's still far from satisfactory. When I observe the rubber tubes, I see no water flowing through them. Also, the pan around the unit has a fair amount of water in it. I'm thinking that the water in that pan is following gravity through a hole and that the water should not be there in the first place. Any advice on how to solve the problem? Many thanks...Henry Claeys, McAllen, Texas, now near Corpus Christi, Tx, at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: ZF HP-500 transmission


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 4/ 04, 7:15pm

Looking to purchase a 1989 FC35 or SP 36 both have the ZF and have heard that parts and service may be difficult to locate?
Any info. about this tranny will be big help.

Also would like pros and cons on FC or Sp.
thanks
marvin

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Subject: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 04, 1:11pm

We recently purchased a 78 Bluebird Wanderlodge and have already had a couple of wonderful trips with the family. The previous owner used his bluebird very sparingly and was not able to show us how everything worked. (assuming it would) My question of the day: With the generator (an Onan 6.5) going should all the inside lights and switches work? Right now the electric plugs, fridge and AC work with the generator but not the built-in lights and lamps (they do when the engine is running and the switch on the dashboard is on). Also, do I need to do something special to get the hot water going? Is there an inverter somewhere in this system? Thanks, I'm approaching this with my limited (but, hopefully improving) skills.

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[> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 14/ 04, 6:13pm

Ok, I feel pretty stupid. Between an old manual and a phone call to Bruce I figured out this DC/AC system. My only remaining hurdle seems to be the electric hot water heater, which doesn't seem to work. Any troubleshooting advice for tracking down what is wrong would be appreciated. Thanks again.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 07/ 15/ 04, 1:48pm

There is a lighted on/off switch at the foot of the bed that turns on the power to the water heater. Also the water heater should heat water from the engine if the circulating pump is turned on. This pump is on a switch on the dashboard. With this pump on you should also be able to get heat out of the coach heaters located in each area.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 6:57am

I found the switch. It looks like it was squashed by a steel toed boot. I assume the switch on the dash is the auxillary pump switch. I'll try and trace down a part # for the heater switch and work from there. Thanks much for your help.

John Fitz
78 FC Diesel
MA

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 6:10pm

John: the heater switch is a standard house type 120 volt AC lighted on/off switch. You should be able to buy it in a hardware store or electrical supply. Just make sure the power to the coach is not plugged in when you change it.

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[> [> Subject: Re: A new owner with a few questions


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 04, 1:11pm

Blue Bird wired the AC current to the hot water heater through a large DC relay above the hot water heater. The DC relay is grounded to an insulated screw on the water heater or in the plumbing fittings screwed into the water heater. The screw extends through the insulation and makes contact with the water in the heater grounding the relay and and allowing AC current to flow to the heater. The purpose of the relay is to prevent calrod burn out if the tank is empty which would break the ground, opening the relay and cutting off current. Make sure the tank has water and then attach the grounding wire to the chassis to insure the relay is working. All water heaters have a high temperature cut off switch which cuts off the AC current when the water temperature rises above 180. Since the water heater has a motor aid that runs coolent through the tank at 195 degrees the high temperature switch may be off and needs to be reset. You may also have a burnt out calrod heating unit. Get out your multimeter to test for current flow for all of the above.

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Subject: Steering modification and electrics


Author:
John Gibbins
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 04, 11:09pm

I will be retiring soon plan to come to the US buy a Bluebird, tour for about 6 months then ship back to Australia (home). Must be 96" not 102". I am an auto engineer and will convert steering to RHD. Anyone have any idea how much work is involved or is it fairly straight forward. Is there a US shop known who could do conversion just prior to shipping.
I would be interested in buying a Bluebird (range $20 to $50k)with excellent body, mechanical, brakes, diesel (no Cummins)and plumbing. All electrical, appliances, TV's etc unimportant as not 240 volt.

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Subject: Battery for generator being drawing down


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 16/ 04, 5:48am

The battery for our onan NH series 6.5 is being drawn down by some mysterious source. Thanks to help from the forum, the engine is running beautifully and is charging the battery, but it sits for a day or two the battery is dead. The battery is new.

Thanks for any advice.

John Fitz
78 Bluebird diesel in MA

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Subject: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Butch Charpentier
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 04, 2:18pm

I have a 92 pusher with primus heat, and one of the cirulation pumps is dead. Does anyone know where to get one and what model and spec number to ask for? Also this is the type that runs off a Bosh relay. Another question, while we are on the subject, is how R&R the pump without having to tear out the boiler/s?

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[> Subject: Re: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 8:35pm

Contact Dupree Products @ 352 495 9459

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[> [> Subject: Re: Primus heat curculation pump


Author:
Butch Charpentier
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 04, 2:18pm

Wanted to thank you for the info. As it turns out Randy Dupree is a friend of mine, so I was able to pick up a couple of pumps. I figured as long as I was doing one I might as well do them both.
Tnx. again Butch

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Subject: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 2:11am

I have two questions: (1) Is it possible to keep the outside storage compartments, the "basement," water tight? (2) Where can I purchase the rubber gaskets surrounding the outside storage compartments? My mechanic was surprised to find that neither Auto Zone, O'Reilly's, True Value, nor a local R.V. supply store, had the gaskets. The supply store referred us to dealer of a different brand of motorhomes. We plan to go there on Friday and hopefully will find something that can be adapted. Any ideas? Thanks....Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35, McAllen, Tx., at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Maury Perkinson
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 04, 7:07pm

Hi, I ordered the gaskets from BB parts.Tough to put on but has worked. Jeff Miller I recall indicated he got his gaskets from other sources and he thought they were better. Might contact him. Guess you know about the Wanderlodge Forum?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaky Basement 79 FC 35


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 04, 2:11am

Maury. Thanks for your answer. I found gaskets that we cut to size from Pep Boys. Each roll cost about $35.00 and it would take about 4 rolls to do all of the doors. I only purchased 3 rolls and did not seal the battery door nor the door where the propane tank is. I've never visited the Wanderlodge forum, but plan to do so ASAP. Thanks again...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35, at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Instrument Panel


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 4:47pm

I have an 83FC35 Wanderlodge and would like any help on how to remove the upper and lower instrument panel. The fuel guage is inoperative "pegged on empty" and the ammeter does not work.

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[> Subject: Re: Instrument Panel


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 07/ 1/ 04, 5:15pm

We have had a number of discussions concerning the fuel gauge on the http://wanderlodge.org site. Often the problems have turned out to be grounding problems or bad sending units.

Also a lot of help for taking out the instrument panels if you still need to do that.

You will find the members very helpful in finding answers concerning Birds.

Bruce in Raleigh, NC 83 FC35RB

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[> [> Subject: Re: Instrument Panel


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 4:47pm

Thanks Bruce: Was able to remove the lower instrument panel and work on the fuel guage from there. discovered the fuel sending unit is shot. Hope to get it fixed at BB this fall. The ammeter has been replaced with some brand other than BB. It looks like the shunt is working ok have an instrument on the way from BB hope that cures the problem.

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Subject: New (to me) bluebird question(s)


Author:
John Fitzsimmons
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 04, 3:13pm

I pulled in the driveway this morning with a 78 Bluebird Wanderlodge. I couldn't pass on the deal. I seem to have figured out most things, except water. I have an old bluebird manual, but I am still a bit lost. I closed all the valves, opened a faucet and began to fill the tank. There was a switch that read on/off so I flipped it on. There was no "commercial" water feed like there was in the manual. The faucets all seem to work, though I am not getting a read on the led display for water level, except for when I filled the tank with the switch reading off; in that case I got a 3/4 reading for "holding tank. With the generator on there was no discernible action or noise when I switched on the water pump. Does anyone have a clue what i should, or should not be doing as far as getting this system running properly. Aside from that everything is a charm--at least for the six hours I have owned her. Thanks for any help.

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Subject: Fluorescent Lights


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 04, 8:42am

I have asked RGM Industries to make a one time manufacturing run of their discontinued 21 inch fluorescent fixture which replaces the Marble Falls fixtures no longer available for 1980's PT models. ThinLite makes a 21 inch fixture but the end tabs are short and new holes must be drilled which is quite difficult for coaches with indirect mounting positions. RGM has asked for a run count to establish price. If manufactured, the RGM units will include the fixture chassis, sockets and inverter only, no frames, lens or bulb supplied. These fixtures take the standard F15T8 bulbs. Inverter only prices from this company are about $25, so the fixture price will be greater. If you are interested, call me at 580/564-3517. I believe a run count of 100 would likely get RGM's interest, I probably have a count of 50 already.

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Subject: has anyone heard of a blue bird model 193RE???


Author:
jimmy
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Date Posted: 06/ 30/ 04, 1:19am

hi guys just bought a blue bird 193RE diesel pusher 6v92 on ebay but the guy knopw nothing about can someone help me here please im in L.A and am flying to DC to pick her up and drive her back it hasnt been started in over a year but he says it runs well.......need to know where i can get some info on this bus its been turned into a motorhome and he says it from the 70,s.....

anyone who can help is an angle.....
323 385 4490 will send pic if you like

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Subject: Advice


Author:
Tim
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 6:02pm

I am thinking about buying a Wanderlodge 1982 with an almost new Cat diesel engine seems to be in pretty descent shape for around $14,000. Can you give me any other things to look for when I actually see it? Thanks


Tim

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[> Subject: Re: Advice


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 04, 1:16am

Sure sounds like a great price, but I'll tell you more or less what I was told, by other bluebird writers, when I purchased my 1979 FC 35 last year. "Plan to spend at least $10,000.00 to $20,000.00 on it." I haven't spent more than $1,000.00, but, to have perfection, I could easily spend at $5,000.00 to $10,000.00. I also have the advantage of living near the Mexican border where labor costs are lower. When I buy something that's used, I look to see if the most expensive stuff will likely last at least 5 years. Of course there's no way to know, but if those items have been worked on, or are new, you should have a good idea what their minimum lifetimes are. If no repairs have been made on those items, or unless they've been hardly used, then you'll have to plan on replacing those items within Five years. Figure what the cost of replacement of those items will be, then figure out if you can still afford the unit. Since the Cat engine is nearly new, and the price is low, that really weighs in favor of the vehicle, but the Trans and generator can be expensive too. This webite has a Checklist which is located to the left of this message, Eight items below the Vulture logo, which may be helpful. That's my two cents worth..Henry, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Advice


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 04, 6:02pm

This seems like $20,000 - $30,000 low for a rig of that vintage in good to excellent shape. Suspect that you will spend the money one way or another. I would make sure the basics are covered, unless you are able to do restoration work yourself or have low expectations.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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Subject: Spotlight Lubrication / Maintenance


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 04, 3:47pm

Even though my spotlight is somewhat rusted, it works like new. Aside from keeping it clean, so it doesn't rust, what maintenance should be given to the light? Climbing on the roof is worth it if I know that there is an access point to service the light. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Door Solenoid


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 04, 12:27pm

The door lock/unlock solenoid on my 1980 FC35 failed. I have removed the solenoid but cannot find a manufacturer's name on it. Does anyone have a source for this?

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Subject: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 12/ 04, 9:41am

(1) I kept my 1979 35 FC parked by the ocean too long, and some of the chrome was destroyed. Where can I get the chrome central hub covers for the rear wheel hubs, and a spot light for the front roof top? (2) Are there any replacement products that are less likely to corrode, and, if so, where can I find them? Thanks for your help...Henry Claeys, 1.888.745.1439 and at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 5:54pm

You can get the rear wheel hubs at a comercial truck supply house. The spot light is a little pricey. It is made by ITT Jabsco, and can be purchased on line through a marine store such as west marine. The light can be re-chromed, but you have to take it apart and put it back together. A difficult task if you are not mechanical.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:34am

I appreciate the help. I'll give those places a try and see what luck I have. I believe the Bluebird manual has an item listing of rims on the bird and hopefully that will help. Thanks again...Henry, McAllen, Tx at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 2:50pm

I have a 1980 FC 35 and I had the same problem. I bought the axle hub caps for the rear wheels at Fleet Supply Co. in Long Beach, CA 562-428-3696. They are part # 339S1 and were $50.00 each. I replaced my spotlight with a new unit and kept the old metal parts if you want to have them rechromed I can send them to you. Contact me at my e-mail address.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 11/ 04, 9:41pm

Lucas: (1) I'll contact the Longbeach outfit. Thanks for the referral. (2) Did you replace your light with the same material as the original? (2) Perhaps I'm just dreaming, but I was interested in finding something tougher, less subject to rusting, since the item must be outdoors continiously. Is there such a material? (3) If such a replacement material doesn't exist, then I'd be interested in your leftovers so long as I can figure out how to get them rechromed. (4) I'll wait to hear from you...thanks for your response...Henry F. Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Replacement of Corroded Chrome


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 06/ 12/ 04, 9:41am

I replaced the light with a new Jabsco light that was a little larger. It will eventually do the same thing unless I clean and wax it regularly, I have a boat so I am used to keeping stainless and chrome cleaned and polished. West Marine in their catolog has three pages of various remote controlled spot lights. Most of them are all plastic. You can also access them on the Web if you do not have a West Marine Store close to you.

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Subject: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 1:18am

I purchased my 1979 FC35 last July and just discovered that the built in blender actually works! The problem is, the glass or plastic Mixing cup is long lost. Does anyone know where to obtain a replacement cup? Is the manufacturer still in business and, if so, would they still sell the parts for that particular model? Are there cups from other manufacterers that would work properly?

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[> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:14pm

I looked it upon the internet. Go to Nutone.com to find a dealer in your area or a supplier such as Graybar.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 3:07am

Richard. Have you looked at Nutone's website? None of the product categories look to be anywhere close to one containing blenders. I'm going to go back and send an e-mail and see what happens. Thanks for letting me know that they are at least in busines. Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 04, 1:51pm

Yes I have Henry and I know that the blender is no longer a product they make. However, they do have parts dealers around the country, ours was in Seattle I think. As I recall, the blender cup was about $70.
Good luck
R.H. Hayden

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 04, 1:59pm

Yes I have Henry and I know that the blender is no longer a product they make. However, they do have parts dealers around the country, ours was in Seattle I think. As I recall, the blender cup was about $70.
Good luck
R.H. Hayden

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[> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Fritz
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Date Posted: 06/ 1/ 04, 11:15am


Henry,
Look here:
http://www.seattle.net/~nutoneinfo/
Fritz

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 04, 1:22pm

Fritz: The site you referred me to is good and I've written them an e-mail and will let you know how things work out. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 04, 1:23pm

Fritz: The site you referred me to is good and I've written them an e-mail and will let you know how things work out. Thanks...Henry Claeys, 1979 FC 35 at claeys@rgv.net

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[> [> Subject: Re: Blender Cup


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 06/ 10/ 04, 1:18am

Fritz and everyone: I sent an e-mail through the website you gave me and got a call back from Ralph and he said the cup is $57.00 delivered and that he knew exactly the product that I needed without a part number. Thanks for the lead. I'll post another message after I get the cup to confirm that it really works....Henry F. Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: steering wheel


Author:
Ken Donovan
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 7:01am

I have an 83 FC 35 and the steering wheel has a leather covered steering wheel as oem.After 20 years the leather is deteriorating.Bluebird no longer has the part and they were unable to provide the vender.I have tried the lace up but they are unsatisfactory and appear unsafe while driving.Does anyone know the vender or found someone to recover the wheel?

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[> Subject: Re: steering wheel


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 7:01am

The oem manufacturer is Vehicle Improvement Products (VIP)and I believe your original VIP part number was BHBR2235. This wheel was still listed in their on-line catalog a year ago. I believe their web site is vipwheels.com. If the wheel is not shown in the catalog, contact them by phone and they will determine if there are any unsold models of your wheel still in inventory. I think its likely you will be able to get a new wheel.

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Subject: Aluminum Interior Front Windshield Cover


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 04, 2:04am

Reviewing some of the photos on this bill board of birds for sale, I noticed that some have complete interior windshield covers that look to be portable, flexible, and silver like aluminum. Does anyone know where I can purchase one and how much it may cost? Thanks, Henry Claeys, 1979 FC35 at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Throttle Pedal


Author:
- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:54pm

I have a 1982 FC unit. Has any one had to replace the throttle pedal. The current one is mostly rubber and is rotten. I called BB, but they said all they have is a generic replacement and it did not work very well. Has anyone out there solved this problem?

Any help/suggestions appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


Author:
Jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 04, 4:12pm

Bluebird sells a pedal. It is $80.00 though. I purchase a new one from Bluebird for my 82 because I did not want to go looking for an aftermarket. The throttle rod was soon comming through the top of the new pedal only a few months later. For a fix that has worked well I cut and then screwed 1/8"aluminum diamond plate on top of the pedal ( there is a metal strip sandwiched between the rubber) and put a small hose clamp around the rubber area that hold the throttle rod. It has worked great.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


Author:
- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 04, 7:42pm

Thanks Jim. You confirm what BB told me that their current replacement was not working out very well. I think I may use your Idea on my old pedal.

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[> Subject: Re: Throttle Pedal


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 04, 7:54pm

I had the same problem & my mechanic used a International Harvester pedel. He said it was older IHC. So you will need to find an IHC dealer that still stock old parts. If you have trouble finding such, conact me and I will put you in contact with my guy.

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Subject: need informations


Author:
marc petrel
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 04, 2:15pm

i have a 3208 cat on my boat 425 hp and i need to know if in the united states i can found some parts to up the power engine sorry for my bad english i m french !!

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Subject: draperies


Author:
Gene Smith
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 04, 12:03pm

We are the third owner of our bird, which is a 1988. It probably has the original draperies in it and we have taken them to get them cleaned locally. It costs around $1.50 a pleat and we have over 140 pleates which is quite costly. The draperies do not have a cleaning tag or any other tag anywhere, however, they are lined with what appears a rubberized backing. Has anyone ever had theirs cleaned or washed. If so, what did they have done. We would appreciate any help we could get with this question. Thanks Gene & Betty Smith

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[> Subject: Re: draperies


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 04, 12:03pm

Call Muriel, who originally made your drapes, in Fort Valley, GA at 912-825-8483 and ask her how to clean the material.

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Subject: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:46am

I have a 1979 35FC with a Kohler 12.5KW diesel generator. There is a starter switch on the dashboard, and a second one above the kitchen sink, but neither switch works. Absolutely nothing happens when I push the switches, i.e., no clicking noises indicating power to the starter. I can manually start the generator, going directly from the battery to the starter, but it must be manually accelerated or else it will shut down. It sounds to me like I have an electrical problem. Any ideas what I should look for and where? Thanks for any help....Henry Claeys, McAllen, Texas 1.888.745.1439 or at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 05/ 10/ 04, 8:09am

Had the same problem with the 12.5 kw Kohler in my 1979 FC 35. Troubleshooting revealed broken off / corroded wire connections on the upright spade terminal connection strip in the regulator box. If yours is like mine, the regulator box is not very well protected from the elements. From your previous post I would suspect corrosion from the salt air environment as a cause of your problem?

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Washington

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[> [> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:40am

We found the problem. It was a shorted wire in the wire cluster along the steering column near the floor. I still haven't figured out what caused the problem...one step at a time...Henry Claeys at claeys@rgv.net

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 5:49pm

First make sure that the overcrank protection switch is not poped out. (red switch on front of the requlator box.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Dead Generator Starter Switches


Author:
Henry Claeys
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 04, 12:46am

Thanks for your help. I had already checked those breakers/switches and they weren't the problem. As I mentioned in another posting, the probleme turned out to be a short in the wires found near the floor along the steering column. I still haven't figured out what the cause was, but if I do I'll post it. Thanks again..Henry Claeys, McAllen, Tx at claeys@rgv.net

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Subject: Installing Washer/dryer Splendide 2000S


Author:
Hank Hannigan
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 9:41am

Just bought subject washer at Camping World & they are scheduled to install it June 2, 04. Anyone with a 90SP36 ever install one and or have suggestions for me to discuss with installer at CW? Appreciate comments and suggestions before June 2. I did see a 90SP36 at Lazey Days in Fla with fittings in closet for washer/dryer...hope that seller gets this message.
Sincerely,
Hank Hannigan
90SP36
In Chicago

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Subject: Door Lock


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 04, 9:22am

Just came back from a 1000 mile trip in our 1980 FC35. After a very bouncy five hour run on US101 we could not open the door. Found the pins/screws to the upper door lock had backed out into the door frame preventing the door from opening, After climbing out the window, removing the screws in the outer door frame I was able force the frame over far enough to open the door. Reinstalled the pins/screws with lock tight to prevent reoccurrence.

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Subject: Fan Clutch


Author:
jim
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Date Posted: 05/ 2/ 04, 6:29am

Does anyone know who makes the electric fan clutch for the 83 FC? I am trying to find a fan that will give me more cooling than the current stock 22" 8 blade.

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Subject: Battery Tap


Author:
- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 04/ 26/ 04, 8:30pm

I'm back with another question! Both sets of batteries have a tap at the 6V point. Any idea of what this is used for? So far I haven located any 6v gear on the coach. (1982 FC) Looks like orginal wiring about #10 gage. Battery connections do not show on the wiring diagrams that I have. Thanks in advance for any help.

- Chuck -

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Subject: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
Robert Cooley
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:03pm

Does anyone have any sources for financing vintage Bluebirds? I am considering a bird from the early to mid eighties and I am finding that most institutions will only go back to 1989. I am aware dealers have more options but I am looking at a couple of Birds on this board. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 20/ 04, 7:15pm

We have ours with our credit union. Strange- we had been with one bank for 12 years and with CU for2- got a better rate with CU and way less % interest. We are going to stay with CU, for sure

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:40am

We have financed our 79 35 ft FC and our 84 PT 40 with Ganis and they have had reasonable rates both times. They are real fussy about credit ratings though. give them a try

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:01pm

I FINANCED MY 83 PT40 WITH USAA BANK,, IF YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO JOIN, AND GO THROUGH THEM. DAY,,,

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[> Subject: Re: Financing for vintage Blurbirds


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 9:03pm

I FINANCED MY 83 PT40 WITH USAA BANK,, IF YOU SERVED IN THE MILITARY, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO JOIN, AND GO THROUGH THEM. DAY,,,

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Subject: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
Hershel
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 8:49pm

Can anyone provide me with the Pros and Cons on a 1984 PT40?

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[> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 21/ 04, 7:42am

I have an 83 PT40- I wish I had all the gauges that an 84 does. They are wonderful machines and will last a lifetime. No cons that I know of. What shape is it in?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 04/ 21/ 04, 8:49pm

HI,,, I JUST GOT AN 83 IN DEC 2003. I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU LIKE YOURS, AND HOW IT HAS BEEN HOLDING UP. I BELIEVE MY ENGINE WAS OVERHAULED IN THE LAST 4 YEARS (I SPOKE TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER WHO HAD IT FOR 17 YEARS). IT STARTS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY,,, IN ONLY ONE ENGINE REVOLUTION IT KICKS OFF. DOES THAT GIVE ANY INDICATION TO YOU IF IT IS IN GOOD CONDITION??? THIS IS MY FIRST DIESEL, SO I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT AT ALL. HAVE YOU EVER CHANGED THE FILTERS IN THE HYDRAULIC FAN AND STEERING SYSTEM?? ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL ME ON HOW YOURS RUNS, AND WHAT I CAN EXPECT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. DAY,,,

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[> Subject: Re: Comments on 1984 PT40


Author:
harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 28/ 04, 9:35am

I have owned a 1984 PT 40 for three years now andlove it. You must understand the the 84 PT40 was bestowed with a lot of systems that ocasionally get a little complicated. You must also know that the rig is 20 years old and no matter how well it was taken care of, things will begin going wrong ie, refrig, hot water heater, belts & hoses etc. The best thing to do when obtaining a coach this old is to plan and schedule systematic preventitive maintenance and parts replacement. this will eventually check out all systems.
ON the up side, the coach is a real beauty! It rides and drives like a dream and certainly is pleasent living!!
Harvey Lawrence

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Subject: Covers


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 04/ 19/ 04, 5:16pm

Any suggestions on what is the best cover for a 1982 Bird. We just bought it and don't have inside storage. This unit has the original paint which is in excellent condition so I am assuming it has always been stored inside.

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Subject: Air Fitting


Author:
Chuck
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 04, 6:17pm

Does anyone know what size the female air fitting in the left side storage area on a 82FC is? I have tried several from NAPA and Tractor supply and the all seem to be to small or to large.

Thanks for any help.

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 04/ 4/ 04, 5:50pm

I use a standard Milton-style fitting, I am not sure of the size (3/8?). Push it in, it will fit, you don't need to hold the collar back (one-handed fitting).

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[> [> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
Chuck
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 04, 6:25pm

Thanks! I don't think I have found a 3/8 fitting. They were either 1/4 or 1/2 inch. I will look some more.

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 04, 1:41pm

Someone may have changed the original fitting on your Coach to a non standard, but if you go to Wal Mart you can get a standard Campbell Hausfield air Chuck fitting, and it should be a direct replacement, and any standard fitting will fit. The chuck has a 1/4" female pipe thread. I had to replace the one on my Coach as it was leaking, and that was what I did.

L. Longcrier
M1894@AOL.com

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[> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 04, 1:44pm

Someone may have changed the original fitting on your Coach to a non standard, but if you go to Wal Mart you can get a standard Campbell Hausfield air Chuck fitting, and it should be a direct replacement, and any standard fitting will fit. The chuck has a 1/4" female pipe thread. I had to replace the one on my Coach as it was leaking, and that was what I did.

L. Longcrier
M1894@AOL.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: Air Fitting


Author:
- Chuck -
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 04, 6:17pm

Thanks all! It was a Standard 1/4 inch fitting. Some how the first one I got was different even though it was in a 1/4 inch package. All set to go thanks for your help. Got this coach after 27 years with a Holiday. I have a lot to learn. Sure I will be back with more questions!

- Chuck -

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Subject: Water system not priming


Author:
Steve O
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/ 04, 8:50am

I have replaced the Jabsco water pump in my 87 35FC and I still cannot get water out of the faucets. I cant figure out if its a priming problem or if a check valve is messed up? Shore water works fine but there is no pressure past the water purifier, which by the way needs replacing too, does anyone know where to get one of these?
Wondering if my water lines are clogged up? sounds unlikely but I have run out of ideas.
Thanks.

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[> Subject: water system


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 01/ 12/ 04, 7:53am

You are correct in assuming the filter is suspect. start by changing that first or by passing it entirley, on a temporary basis. You probably get shore water through the clogged filters because it is under greater pressure than the pumped water from your tank. If after replacing the filters your system does not work as it should then continue on to the check valve or possibly the pressure control unit sometimes in theline.Anyway check the simple stuff first.
Harvey

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[> [> Subject: Re: water system


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/ 04, 8:50am

I had the same problem on my 1980 FC35. The pump would run but would take a long time to build up pressure and make a lot of noise while running. I proved it was a supply line problem by using a small hose to the pump from a bucket, it worked fine. I then tried to blow out the line to the tank with air, a slight improvement but no cure. Upon inspection I found a galvanized coupling on the output on the tank going forward to the pump. I removed the fitting and found it completely clogged with rust. Changed the fitting to a brass coupling and cured the problem, now the pump works great and is so quiet is is hard to hear it run. I found one more of these galvanized couplings in the output of the pump and it had also started to build up rust, changed them both.

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 04, 1:12pm

I had the same problem when I first got my 84. The water fill inlet switch was not closing the bypass valve. I rebuilt the valve and installed a new switch. (Problem Solved).

L Longcrier

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 04, 7:05am

You can purchase a new water purifier by calling Pure Water Enterprises at 318/439-4570. If by some chance you purifier is by Astro Pure call 954/832-0630. You can also call Blue Bird parts at 800/495-7787

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Lucas Wwillemse
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 04, 10:17am

Check the hose inlet to fill the tank, unless the cap is tight and sealed with a good washer the pump will suck air instead of water and will not prime.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 02/ 11/ 04, 9:04am

If the pump is pulling water from the hose inlet then you have other problems, possibly the (sporlan) fill valve is not shutting off. It should pump fine with no cap on the hose inlet.

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[> Subject: Re: Water system not priming


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 4:49pm

I had the same problem on my '81 FC. Both the Sporlan valve and the hot water tank drain valve were bad. Actually, both of there valves have the same effect and neither can be in open position when the pump is to provide water because the pump is simply returning water to the tank. Both of these valves are expensive from BB. I solved my problem by replacing the hot water valve with a ball valve and did away with the Sporlan. Naturally, the fill switch no longer works w/o the Sporlan so I added a short brass rod from the ball valve handle through a small hole I drilled to the utility compartment.

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Subject: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 5:10pm

1982 FC 35'..the squirrel cage motor in the heater located under the Queen bed needs replacing..The heater is NT12F and my local parts dealer tells me I cannot get them and wants $600.oo plus to put in a new heating unit.My question is does anyone know of a supplier or have one lying around..Many thanks and Happy Holidays

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 03, 11:34am

It would be helpful if you gave a little more information, like brand names and model numbers. There is a dealer who operates an RV scrap yard. It is Colaw RV Parts & Salvage 10389 Cimarron Rd. Carthage MO Phone 417 548 2125 or E mail colawrvsalvage.com These folks have a huge field of RV,s they get parts from.It is quite likely they will have what you want or a substitute
Harvey Lawrence

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[> [> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Biff
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 03, 4:00pm

Harvey..many thanks for your imput..have called Bluebird, Suburban(the mfg), and your Salvage Yard in Mo..apparently they quit making this model sometime ago(so what else is new), and although some motors are still available, this particular one has offset shafts..and Colaw did not have that type..so, unless by some miracle, someone comes up with the right one, I'll be forced to spend the money for a new furnance..
Happy Holidays

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 12/ 10/ 03, 4:30pm

I have a couple of old (dead) furnaces from that era, are you sure it is an NT-12 and not an NT-16? I think that the ones I have are NT-16s (16,000 BTU) which were the standard furnace. I'll check.

Anyway, email me with your shipping info and I'll try to pull a motor out around the middle of next week if they're the same model (or will work), just pay for shipping and I'm happy.

Otherwise, the current furnaces are pretty much a drop-in fit (close anyway), and some "scratch and dent" stuff can be found for much less money, www.ronthebusnut often has some.

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[> Subject: Re: Heater Motor for NT12F


Author:
Richard Hayden
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 04, 5:10pm

I needed to replace our mid unit. I was able to use the unit that Suburban now offers with their exhaust and intake extension units. They come in 2 or 3 different sized so measure before you order. You're stuck with the shortie that comes with the new unit and the old one wouldn't work im my case. The only comment I can make is that the new unit is quite a but louder than the old one.

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Subject: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Jeff Howard
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:33am

Having problem with the cruise control engaging. Worked fine for one trip but will not work now. Gentleman @ rally stated that there was an air valve that may be suspect. Anyone with information, please reply. Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 21/ 04, 7:45am

Jeff- what coach do you have? I had an air leak on my PT40, cleaned the valve and it works fine now. Some of the coaches have trouble with low voltage to the module. If this happens you can run a wire to the battery via solenoid.

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[> Subject: Re: Cruise control 88WB Detroit Diesel V-8


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 24/ 04, 9:33am

jeff I had the same problem with my 1984 PT 40 and found that my alternator had stopped working and was allowing the volage to dip low. as soon as I fixed the alternantor the cruise control worked Also had to repair the air valave back there as it was leaking.

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Subject: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 03/ 16/ 04, 7:52am

I am considering replacing the fan blades on my 1985 FC 250hp that has a Horton air clutch, for more air flow. Does anyone have experience with the new non metal blades for improved cooling. I'm replacing the core, and adding another row for more capacity.
Thank You, JWR yak5225@aol.com

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[> Subject: Re: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 15/ 04, 8:27am

Horton makes a plastic Windmaster fan, you will need to measure: bold circle, pilot diameter, fan offset. It is claimed to use less energy and move more air.

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[> Subject: Re: Fan Blade Replacement


Author:
8harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 16/ 04, 7:52am

You should get good results with the new fan. Are you having a heating problem or just want to modify. Another thing you can do is put an on/off switch on the dash so you can cut the fan off when pulling hills. you get a HP boost if you do this, but have to carefully watch the heat.
Harv

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Subject: Right Angle Air Intake Cover


Author:
David Hanvy
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 04, 3:37pm

I just purchased a 1989 WB with the 8V92. I lost the air intake cover which fits on top the coach (some where in west Texas I suspect). Any clues where to look in the Houston TX area for a replacement on an ASAP basis ? Freightliner was no help.

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Subject: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
jay
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 04, 5:12am

I am looking at a 1984 Bluebird FC35. Does the front location of the engine produce that much interior noise? Is it possible for the driver and navigator to talk at normal levels while driving? I have an F250 diesel and while I hear the engine, it's not that loud in the cab.

Thanks for the advice.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 04, 9:58am

The easiest way I sum up the engine sound level in the turbo FC is that you can converse with the co-pilot easily, but can't easily "evesdrop" on conversations behind you in the salon.

Different things affect that level, I insulated my '88 to the point where I could easily hear conversations behind me, but if the original sound isulation is in rough condition and low-grade carpet has been used up front it will be louder.

It is quieter in the cabin than our Ford Conversion van (gas engine) is at full-chat.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Robert Britton
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Date Posted: 03/ 2/ 04, 8:09pm

I have an 87FC, the motor noise is not bad at all, in fact i like being able to hear the engine, it just sounds good to me - purrs like a kitten. I have a power stroke engine in my E350 van and i would say the bluebird is quieter. There is some wind noise but not as much as other motorhomes i have driven, in fact my 87FC is much quieter over all than a 1997 Country Coach that i drove.

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Cabin Volume Level


Author:
Crittenden Bliss
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 04, 5:12am

I find my FC to be much quieter than a front engine gas coach, the road noise is louder than the engine. The suction fan for the radiator is pretty loud when it comes on but thats because it does such a good job cooling. Futhermore, a PT is going to cost 3-4 times more to maintain with little benifit. The engine makes no noise when parked.

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Subject: Cold Weather


Author:
Charles Wheeler
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Date Posted: 01/ 29/ 04, 4:40pm

We are looking at some older BB FC units in the 1976 to 1983 range. We spend a lot of time in cold weather (teens)visiting family. My wife wants a rear bedroom floorplan. With all the glass in the back can these units keep warm in cold weather?

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[> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 01/ 14/ 04, 5:17pm

I can't speak for the '76, but I've had a '77 and '83 (among others) and heat has never been a problem.
You don't want to lay against the glass, good drapes or blinds help to avoid draft, but at 5F I was able to keep plenty warm with the LP furnaces while dry-camping in WI.
If you're plugged in, most coaches in this range also have four electric heaters to save on LP.

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[> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
L.Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 04, 2:09pm

We are currently Full timing in a 1984 35FC. So far we have spent winters in Colorado and Missouri. There has been no problem keeping warm. We insulate the water hook up, which you would have to do no matter what unit you have. The first three years we did nothing to the coach, but three years ago I decided to skirt the unit, and the floors stayed much warmer. I installed snaps along the bottom of the coach and the wife made some skirting from canvas with a loop along the bottom edge. We snap them in place, and put 1 1/2" pvc pipe in the bottom loop to hold them down in a wind. With a 100 watt lght bulb under the dump tanks nothing freezes. (pick a nice colour to go with the coach) It even gives the coach a nice appearance.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Cold Weather


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 29/ 04, 4:40pm

Mike McMahan in Waco has that arrangement on his 89 PT40. He said that his skirt snaps all the way around. That would sure keep everything warm. I bet it was a chore to make all that. Stay warm Ernie in Texas

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