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Subject: 1983 Wanderlodge


Author:
Patricia
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 06, 12:54pm

We are new owners of a 1983 37' wanderlodge, which needs body work and new paint. We were wondering if the value of the bluebird being "vintage" will be deminished if the colors are changed. Should we stick to the colors that were generally offered in that time period? Any advice would be greatly appreciated since we are inexperienced with bluebirds. Thank you

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 Wanderlodge


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/ 06, 1:02pm

there have been quite a few coaches that have gone to an updated color scheme. If I had thebucks- and it will be expensive, I'd get rid of the tired old gold and brown on my coach. Ernie-83PT40 inn Texas

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 Wanderlodge


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 10/ 06, 12:54pm

A quality paint job will likely be well beyond $10K. You won't get that back in resale, but it probably will sell faster. I don't know if I would want to paint over 23 year old paint and expect it to last. Look around and you will find some paint schemes that look exceptional, others that missed the mark. I think in the long run it is probably more economical to find a bus with a descent paint job and purchase at the going rate, than to find a bargain bus and have it painted. Assuming all things turn out equal.

In general, the newer the bus, the easier it is for the owner to afford repairs. Their simply more wealthy than the owners to follow...

Don

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Subject: diesel genset fan not turning


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 06, 11:54pm

Hi,
hoping someone can suggest a way to isolate the problem.

The breaker inside the genset compartment is not tripped off. (I clicked it off and on several times, it has never tripped on it's own that I am aware. I think the fuse is ok, tho will get a new one tomorrow just to be sure.

The Kohler generator starts right up and runs great....for about a minute (the fan is not turning so it trips the red reset button.

How do I check fan motor, it of course worked great before...
now, when we're getting ready for a getaway....ha!

I'm pretty sure it is absolutely something simple, like a connection or wire....(course I could be dreaming)

Hoping someone might have some ideas that I could troubleshoot a little before I break down and hire a professional...
thanks
Rose Mary
82 FC 33
Oregon

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[> Subject: Re: diesel genset fan not turning


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 06, 11:54pm

It turned out to be the voltage regulator. A spendy little part, $300 + installation but worth it, the 'White Bird' gave us another flawless trip down 101 into the Redwoods and back.
The more we use it the more we love traveling with it! We've put around 4,000+ miles on in the last year or so. Ready to do more.
A hoot and toot...Our bird is wounded tho, the musical horn only gave us 2 plays and it has always worked great...
any places to check for the obvious, loose wires, bad connections...
also the camera, comes on for a bit then fades out, the tv still works. It is the original back up cam and would like to keep it, if there is something to check for that could be fixed. Don't want to get into a fancy replacement job, larger tv etc. Back up cam and original tv set up works great for us. We don't watch tv, maybe a movie or listen to books on tape.
Like to see who is behind me while driving and what when backing mostly.
Have learned so much from the various forums devoted to wanderlodges.
Thank you all
Rose Mary
82 FC 33 (35?)
"White Bird"
Oregon

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Subject: Generator Engine Problems


Author:
Leon
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 06, 2:48pm

I got my 86PT40 picked up in ca. and got it back home in no.tx. It is everything that we hoped it would be. as I said it hasn't been ran or started in over 4years so I finally got the Generator started yesterday after much priming and a little ether.It is a 12.5 Kohler powered by a Yanmar diesel. It ran fine for about 45seconds then it started going to high RPM and i thought that it was going to come apart, I finally got it stopped or it stopped itself.I started a second time and it did the same thing.The gen. only has 290 hrs. HELP!!

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[> Subject: Re: Generator Engine Problems


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 30/ 06, 5:34am

Where in north Texas are you located? There is a Lone Star bird rally in Kerrville in April. Folks there would be very willing to help you out with any questions you might have. Ernie Ekberg, 83 PT40, Weatherford, Tx

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[> [> Subject: Ernie Ekberg 83PT40


Author:
Leon
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 06, 2:47pm

Ernie, We are in Graham , Tx. I took my bird to Cantwell Equipment in Ft Worth on friday.We are going to be out of town for about a week on a church trip so thouhgt they could get the gen going while we are gone. Im also redoing the floor. have ripped all the carpet up and are going back with a pergo laminate. The coach is in terrific shape but i'm going to need someone that has some knowledge on how everything in the coach works I have alot of figured out but would sure feel better if you would look at it. Dont know if it will be ready for the rally though. Thanks Alot!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ernie Ekberg 83PT40


Author:
Leon Walker
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 06, 2:48pm


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Subject: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
Jonathan Steen
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Date Posted: 03/ 30/ 06, 3:10pm

What is the smallest Wanderlodge that would sleep 8? Would prefer mid 80's PT

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
eernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 19/ 06, 4:34pm

the smallest pt is a pt35- you will still have to do some modifications to sleep 8. ernie ekberg-83pt40- sleeps 2

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[> [> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
Jonathan Steen
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Date Posted: 02/ 19/ 06, 4:48pm

Thanks for the prompt reply. How new do you have to go to get an interior that would sleep at least 6. We have 4 kids and since we homeschool, we are planning to do a year long trip around the country.

What's our best bet?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 06, 7:57am

you would have to have a floorplan with 2 couches and have 2 of your children sleep on the kitchen booth. a larger coach would accommodate you better in regards to clothes and storage. look under the for sale coaches listed here for their floorplans.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
Paul Huber
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Date Posted: 03/ 10/ 06, 5:22pm

Hi Jonathan,

I sent an email to you yesterday. I'd like to compare notes with you on this as we are doing almost the same things as you. I'm posting this here just in case you don't see the email due to spam filters. It will be from PH.

Hope to chat soon,

Paul

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge that sleeps 8


Author:
Terri Gardner
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Date Posted: 03/ 30/ 06, 3:10pm

We have a 1980 that has the floor plan with the 2 couches, kitchen table that converts to a bed and a queen in the bedroom. We have just purchased a newer bus and are interested in getting rid of the 1980. Let me know if you are interested.
Terri

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Subject: 1977 Holiday Rambler pull trailer


Author:
Cheryl
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Date Posted: 03/ 28/ 06, 2:41pm

I was wondering what to ask for a 1977 Holiday Rambler pull trailer camper? It's 26ft. long, no water storage..you'd have to go with hook-ups at a campground. It's been used by my husband and four sons for 10 years and now we would like to sell it. It's in fairly good shape. Would make a great hunters paradise! I'd be willing to let it go for $1,000...do u think that's too low?/high?

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Subject: 1968 Bluebird - Fan wires


Author:
Clark
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Date Posted: 03/ 27/ 06, 3:03pm

I don't seem to be able to find where the vent fans hot wire terminates. My ceiling fan and the fan over the stove are not getting 12 volts, and I can't seem to find the other end of the wires! I need to know if they terminate in the pilot section or maybe somewhere else.
Any help is appreciated !

Clark

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[> Subject: Re: 1968 Bluebird - Fan wires


Author:
Clark
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Date Posted: 03/ 27/ 06, 3:03pm

I figured it out, In my pilot area above is where they terminated.

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Subject: '77 FC Cruise Control on the blink...Need help.


Author:
Stan F.
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Date Posted: 03/ 20/ 06, 8:55pm

Hi everyone! I have a '77 FC which has a vacuum type cruise control system that has stopped working. The pump under the passenger seat still spins when I press the cruise button on the turn signal stalk, but there seems to be no vacuum. Does any body out ther have any experience with either fixing or replacing this unit? Any help would be appreciated. By the way, what are those little screw-on glass jars on the vacuum pump for? Are they supposed to hold oil or some other fluid?
Mine are empty.....Thanks in advance. Stan in Pa.

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[> Subject: Re: '77 FC Cruise Control on the blink...Need help.


Author:
DanT
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Date Posted: 06/ 13/ 02, 12:44pm

Stan,
My understanding is these are no longer available nor are parts. They most common method of repair is to replace it with a totally electronic unit. Hope this helps. No faster than these things are I just use a brick. Toss it on the pedal when I start and kick it off when I get where I am going. :-) DanT

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[> Subject: Re: '77 FC Cruise Control on the blink...Need help.


Author:
Jeff Miller '77FC
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Date Posted: 06/ 22/ 02, 7:49pm

Stan:

I have two of those pumps, one without a motor which I'll happily send to you. I'll try sending email.

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[> [> Subject: Re: '77 FC Cruise Control on the blink...Need help.


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 12/ 4/ 05, 6:26pm

Jeff: I heard you very good on cruise controls: i have a 1983 fc-35 the cruise was disconnected when i bought it. where is the vacuum pump located? I guess any 12 volt vacuum pump would work. The control is not hooked to the throttle lever, does the cruise control allow the lever to slide when the foot throttle is depressed?
I thank you for any help you can give me i would like to have it working.
re brake

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[> Subject: Re: '77 FC Cruise Control on the blink...Need help.


Author:
Chuck
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Date Posted: 03/ 20/ 06, 8:55pm

I bought the ROSTA Ultra cruse modified the connectors to use the existing wiring speed sensor and controls and it works great!

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Subject: Diesel Gen Set


Author:
Dale Yoder
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Date Posted: 03/ 17/ 06, 11:09am

I've got a '72 31' Wanderlodge that I replaced the gas engine with a 3208. I would like to change the generator to diesel also, if I could find one. I only need a 6.5 or so. If anybody has an old one or knows of one, could you please let me know?
Thanks, Dale

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Subject: Twin Bed Conversion


Author:
Michael Nikisher
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Date Posted: 03/ 15/ 06, 3:52pm

Sorry to bother y'all with a question that has probably been asked and answered before but I have not found a way to search this forum to find previous posts.

Is it possible, and/or, feasible to convert a coach with twin beds to a queen sized bed?

Thanks in advance for your reply,
Michael

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[> Subject: Re: Twin Bed Conversion


Author:
David
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Date Posted: 03/ 15/ 06, 3:52pm

We've converted two twins to a larger than king by filling in the aisle between them. Boy do we love it. Makes a great "family bed!"

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Subject: Marshall Brass LP detector


Author:
Betty Umpstead
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Date Posted: 03/ 14/ 06, 7:17pm

Our Marshall Brass LP detector went bad.It is located in the outside compartment of the refer.Does anyone know of where we can by one or another one of a different brand that will work?We have found a Pre-Tell but the sensor board inside the couch by the refer needs a 4-wire and the Pre-tell is only a 3-wire,will this work?If it works how is it hooked up?Thanks for any help

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Subject: steering box on 1982 33 ft wanderlodge, turbo cat


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 03/ 14/ 06, 12:13pm

Hi
Looking for help on the steering gear box of my little brother's coach. It is new to me, he was killed in July and we are looking for a home for his coach. It seems to have way too much play in the steering wheel. My older brother drove it here and said it was really a bugger to keep on the road, (is that why it's called a wanderlodge?!). I feel I need to get this looked at but so far haven't located where a bluebird authorized dealer might be in Oregon. Also the red button which says susp dump is staying on and the front air doesn't seem to be picking up around the wheels. It worked before when I had to coach engine running. We just took it to a detail shop and of ourse any button could be out of place but I can't seem to find one to address that red light being on and the air not picking up the front. The air bags had been replaced and were working fine....help?!
This is a great coach, only 67000 original miles and kept immaculate. My brother was single no children didn't smoke and himself was an excellent mechanic and kept everything up as his detailed logs show. It is likely operator error but don't want to drive the coach until it is right. Thank you for any help. If there is place in Southern Oregon that anyone knows, of I'd appreciate it. Thanks for reading.

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[> Subject: Re: steering box on 1982 33 ft wanderlodge, turbo cat


Author:
Blair
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 04, 1:26pm

Take it to Roberts Motors in Medford.... call me if you need help with it. Blair in Williams with a 1986 PT38
541-846-9432

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[> [> Subject: Re: steering box on 1982 33 ft wanderlodge, turbo cat


Author:
Carl Herron
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Date Posted: 03/ 14/ 06, 12:13pm

Hi Blair I just purchased your old 86pt Bird from Steve H.in UTAH. Its now back up in the northwest. We are getting ready to take off for Alaska. Do you know of anything with the coach I should be worried about? It seems to run GOOD! There are little things that need fixing but I expected some of that.
Thanks
Carl

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Subject: Speedometer 86PT


Author:
Carl
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Date Posted: 03/ 14/ 06, 11:30am

I'm looking for a new speedometer for an 86PT does anyone know where I can get one? Besides BB.
Thanks Carl

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Subject: Interior height


Author:
Michael Rutkowski
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Date Posted: 03/ 13/ 06, 6:30pm

Back in the early 80's my wife and I looked at a Bluebird Motor coach, I beleive it had 8ft. of interior height. I'm 6'8" and need the extra height did Blue bird have a model in which someone 6'8" could stand in?? Thanks for your help

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[> Subject: Re: Interior height


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 13/ 06, 6:30pm

Michael, I believe, with the advent of the wide body coaches,in 1988, the interior height was added, also.

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Subject: 1968 Bluebird - gas tank switch valve and filter


Author:
Clark
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 06, 5:13am

Where can I find the cable operated gas tank switch valve,
mine started leaking the other day. I also need the part
number for the replacement fuel filter for the frame rail canister. Any help is appreciated!

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[> Subject: Re: 1968 Bluebird - gas tank switch valve and filter


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 9/ 06, 5:13am

Clark- where in Texas are you located? We have lots of owners there that could possibly come by your place and help you out. Ernie Ekberg-83pt40, weatherford, tx, currently in louisiana

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Subject: Panel Board


Author:
Rocky
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 06, 5:05pm

I have a 68 Bird with a panel board above the driver, some of the switches are not marked. Does anyone know what they all control. Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Panel Board


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 18/ 06, 8:21pm

I was reading old post and found yours, if you still need to know what the switches do, contact me and I will send you a picture of mine, in my 68, they are all labeled.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Panel Board


Author:
Rocky
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Date Posted: 02/ 22/ 06, 7:49am

Thanks for the reply. Please foward picture to my e=mail or drop me a line for futher contact infro. Thanks again! Rocky

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[> [> Subject: Re: Panel Board


Author:
Clark
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Date Posted: 03/ 2/ 06, 12:57pm

I recently purchased an excllent 68 Wanderlodge, I am needing the part #for the fuel filter replacement cartridge, which is located in the canaster on the frame rail. Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks, Clark in Texas

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Panel Board


Author:
Rocky
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Date Posted: 03/ 2/ 06, 5:03pm

Clark, my bus has been converted to diesel so I won't be able to help you on the fuel filter. Maybe you can help me with the panel board some of the switches are not labeled on my 68 and I've not been able to trace them down to find what they used to operate, any help would be welcome! Thanks! Rocky

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[> Subject: Re: Panel Board


Author:
Clark
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 06, 5:05pm

Rocky, I dont see away for me to send a picture, but if you call in the evening after 7 Texas time, I will walk
out to the bus and run you thru my switches.

Clark 254-289-8406

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Subject: 86 PT 40 make ready


Author:
Leon Walker
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Date Posted: 03/ 5/ 06, 11:00am

I have purchased an 86 pt40 from my aunt in s.cal. it has 51000 miles on it and it hasn't been ran in 5 years. they were using it when my uncle got sick and died so she just put it up in a good storage bldg.and forgot about it. what do i need to do to it to get ready to drive back to texas this month? Im sure the batteries(what kind and how many) will need to be changed,oil and filters,fuel filters.and possibly tires any help anyone can give will be greatly appreciated

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[> Subject: Re: 86 PT 40 make ready


Author:
Mike Bulriss
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Date Posted: 03/ 5/ 06, 11:00am

Leon,

It is nice that you can rescue this Bird and get it on the road again. Great find also, kind of like a time capsule.

Since no one has responded to you yet, I'll take a shot.

You didn't indicate your familiarity with RVs, big rigs or mechanics, but I think you have outlined the basics - batteries, filters, oil, tire pressures for sure - maybe replacement. Since it has been stored inside, the effects of sunlight and ozone have been minimized on the tires. If it was stored on concrete floors, that would not be as good as if stored on dirt, asphalt, or parked on wood or plastic. Check the tires carefully for rotting, crack, etc. If they look OK and hold air, I'd make some short trips after firing it up, check them again, and then make a decision to proceed home on them or not. Since you know they are at least five years old, check the dates to see how old they really are. Hopefully, they are good brand and maybe the uncle changed them shortly before it was stored. Inflate them to the max ratings on the tire, not the old inflation pressures on the tag (usually) in the front storage compartment. I personally don't worry too much about dates if stored inside, not on concrete, holding air and no sidewall cracks or dry rot apparent. Any truck tire I've ever had blow showed warning signs as noted. If you have any doubts, get them changed out, especially the fronts. Blown tires at speed on this size of a rig tear up lots of stuff at best and cause serious accidents at worst.

On the filters, you probably know this but I would remind you to have some fresh diesel fuel handy to re-fill the racor insert filter and spin-on fuel filter(s). I guess my biggest concern might be the five year old fuel, which could have developed algae. Hopefully the tank was full and tightly sealed when parked. I'd have lots of extra fuel filters and tools for the ride home.

Regarding the batteries, on most early/mid-80's models there should be a bank of 6Volt (golf cart) batteries hooked in series/parallel fashion to form multiple 12 volt parallel circuits. On my 83 PT40 there were 4 6v batteries hooked 2 in series to form two banks of 12v in parallel. Gives more amp hours reserve power with the 6v. The 86 may have 6 or more 6v batteries hooked in series/parallel format. Someone may have converted the battery bank to 12v batteries, so you will need to check this before buying any new batteries at the local Sam's. The genset should have its own 12v battery in the front compartment on the driver's side.

Check all fluids - don't forget the antifreeze, and the oil in the fan and power steering reservoir. Check the belts on the alternator also before departing. You will access the alternator from inside the coach through a hatch under the rear bed.

The worst part to me in firing up dry engines is not having lubrication on the internals after sitting unused for so long, but unless you have an oil pre-charger system to install, you don't have much choice. Hopefully it will fire quickly and build up oil pressure quickly.

Not to take anything away from this forum, but you might want to visit www.wanderlodgeforum.org (Harvey, the moderator on this forum is a moderator there also). There are lots of members on that forum in S. Cal that might be able to assist you when the time comes. If you post this same comment there, you might find lots of advice and offers of assistance.

Where are you located in Texas? When you get the Bird back here, you will need to attend one of our Lone Star Bird Rallies to meet other Bird owners in Texas!

Good luck.
Mike Bulriss
1991 WB40 "Texas Minivan"
San Antonio, TX

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Subject: Loss in value due to water damage


Author:
David
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Date Posted: 03/ 3/ 06, 4:35pm

Our 1982 31ft bird was damaged when it was pumped and the driver of the pumping truck left the backwash hose on and sealed the tank back up, so that the whole thing basically flooded from the inside out. It was treated within 36 hours with a specialized de-humidifier that removed all of the moisture from the sub-floor and then all of the floor covering was replaced. Still, there is a small chance that mold may develop some day. We are trying to settle for the damages with the company that caused the accident. Does anyone know how we would figure out the loss in value because of this incident? We assume that resale value is lower than it would otherwise be, but by how much?

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[> Subject: Re: Loss in value due to water damage


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 03/ 3/ 06, 4:35pm

david, I have been working in the hurricane ravaged areas of Louisiana for a couple of months. If you don't have any water leaks, and since everything was dried out- you should be ok in regards too mold.The folks here are very concerned about mold , also. You did the correct procedure.

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Subject: swing radiator


Author:
steve gureasko
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 06, 11:19am

I have a 78 with a cat engine and am looking to install a swing radiator. Does anyone have any plans,blueprints, etc. on this installation? Please e-mail me. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: swing radiator


Author:
JOHN JOHNSON
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 04, 4:37am

STEVE: Go to this web site....www.wanderlodge.org When you get there click on...FILES. when files comes up............
then click on........PROJECTS.when projects comes up.......
then click on........SWING OUT RADIATOR.

This guy did it on a 1980 FC31 3208 NA
I think this will give you some idea on what's involved.
GOOD LUCK, JOHN

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[> Subject: Re: swing radiator


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 04, 9:14am

I did this conversion on my 1980 FC35 last year. I bought the parts from Holland Motorhomes. You have to be able to weld on the brackets to swing down the bumper and the swing out radiator bracket. I can e-mail you pictures of the conversion. It was not that difficult, and I can now open the front up in 10 minutes to acces the front of the engine for belts etc.

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[> [> Subject: Re: swing radiator


Author:
steve gureasko
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Date Posted: 01/ 17/ 04, 1:49pm

Lucas please e-mail me those pictures as it took me several hours to do that job. Thanks.

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[> [> Subject: Re: swing radiator


Author:
carl
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Date Posted: 02/ 27/ 06, 9:59pm

i am interested in swing radiator information. I plan on changing my 76 BB. thanks, carl

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[> [> Subject: Re: swing radiator


Author:
jim marsh
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 06, 11:19am

Lucas, I have a 82 fc35 that I want to put a swing out on. please e-mail me the pictures of your job. Thanks

jim

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Subject: 1982 35FC BB


Author:
Jim
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 06, 9:57pm

I am purchasing my first BB and have a few questions. When I am on 120v power does the 12 volt lights run off the batteries or is there a dc converter to run the 12volts or does the chargers have to be pluged in? Also how involved is it to install a couple of 1500 watt inverters and possibly solor power to charge batteries and run converter? I know there are quiet a few of 12 volt lights and just want to know how the system works and what to do to improve it. Thank you for any info. Jim

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Subject: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
Alan Ritchie
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Date Posted: 02/ 22/ 06, 3:40pm

I am having trouble getting a 1986 Wanderlodge insured. Is there an agent or insurance company that writes a standard policy on a coach that is 20 years old?

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 05, 7:15am

Call Progressive Insurance

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
Howard Truitt
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Date Posted: 11/ 18/ 05, 11:02am

Alan,
I bought an 86 8V92 PT40 this year and checked with four or five insurers and the best deal by far was thru Good Sam the insurance is written by GMAC.
Cost abt. $15,00 a year to join Good Sam. Call Good Sam at 1-800-444-8994
Howard

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 11/ 23/ 05, 6:12pm

I have a 1983 fc-35 insured by hartford at about $500.00 a year
re

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
Ben Bass
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Date Posted: 12/ 19/ 05, 7:01pm

Best insruance for us, florida address, '82 FC was Progressive thru an agent. $430 for the year,full coverage w/a decreasing deductible for each year claim free.

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
Rob
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 05, 2:52am

I have a 1968 Bluebird. I got insurance through Camping World RV centers. It is through National General Insurance Company. Call Sue Centoni (714)522-8400 x117 or email her at scentoni@campingworld.com. She can do liability only over the phone. Full coverage requires visual inspection. Very reasonable rates. Tell her I referred you an I want a discount!!! Robert Valenta- Santa Ana, CA.

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance for Vintage Birds


Author:
CARL
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Date Posted: 02/ 22/ 06, 3:40pm

I JUST INSURED MY 1976 BB WITH STATE FARM WITH NO PROBLEM

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Subject: convert queen to twin beds


Author:
ken peckham
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Date Posted: 02/ 22/ 06, 2:00am

Any ball park idea of how much it might cost to convert my 89 fc full queen bed to twin beds?

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Subject: COOKBOOK


Author:
Scott B
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 06, 8:16pm

Hello, I am looking to purchase the "cookbook" that was printed in the early 90's ('94) from the Family of Friends .. if any one has one that would like to part with it ..I would like purchase it. Please email me at cme4boats@aol.com I would like some history on this if the book was an annual issue I would like the one that is the same year as our coach 1986FC. If it was not annual I would be interested in ANY year...Thank you in advance!

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Subject: repower 82FC


Author:
erik
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 06, 2:14pm

Wondering what a fair price to repower my '82FC would be?
What other engine options are realistic.

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Subject: Hot Water to the Shower


Author:
Marty Charpentier
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 06, 6:13pm

The hot water seems to take forever getting to the shower in our 1992 WLWB, not to mention the waste of cold water expecially if dry camping. Does anyone else experience this problem and/or have a solution? Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Hot Water to the Shower


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 06, 6:13pm

We had the same problem on our 1980 FC35. Autocirc makes an undersink hot water circulation system that I installed at the sink in the bathroom which is the furthest point from the water heater. I just run the pump for a few minutes in the morning and the water is immediately hot in the shower. This pump runs until it senses hot water and then shuts of. It has a timer and can actually be set to come on automatically. The best price on this unit is from Home Depot they have an online special for $189.00

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Subject: 82 35fc motor conversion


Author:
l smith
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 06, 1:49pm

i want to change my 3208n for a 3208t what hind of problems can i expect.

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[> Subject: Re: 82 35fc motor conversion


Author:
harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 02/ 11/ 06, 9:22am

You can expect to elarge your engine cover, change air intakes,and several other smaller modifcations.

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[> Subject: Re: 82 35fc motor conversion


Author:
Mike Meister
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 06, 1:49pm

I am picking up my 80FC35 with a 3208N next weekend and have already been thinking about more hp as well.

I found this post from Jeff Miller

"Although it isn't exactly what you asked, I have made some performance improvements on my existing 3208NA. It will easily run 80+mph in rolling terrain, runs 75mph all day long, climbs better, and accelerates better.
I've changed rear-end ratio from 5.29:1 to 4.63:1 ($1200)
Increased air intake to engine ($100)
turned the full-load point to 3000rpm ($38)
That's it! The best money IMO I've put into my coach, and I've put plenty into it.
I'd certainly look for the extra horsepower if you can get a 250hp to put in, but feel that the little Cat works fine if properly set up and it is much cheaper to install another 3208 as all of your mounts/accessories would otherwise need to change. I don't see any use in a two-speed differential (although I looked into it myself), mostly because you will gain lower gears not higher ones and the beast doesn't need lower gears. A taller ratio still gives you plenty of lower gears for climbing.
Feel free to email me if you have questions."

Jeff Miller
jamiller@iserv.net

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Subject: NAPA Filters


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 06, 9:23pm

If you use NAPA filters (made by wix sometimes) I found the 2 Mic,(red)for the RACOR 900 primary filter in a NAPA 3799 box. It is the same red RACOR (RACOR 2040)I get at the RACOR dealer for $12.+. They also have the other Mic. 10, 20, ect.. In a NAPA box with a deep discount with a volume dealer it is about $7.10. The Cat 3208 engine FARR metal box filter, try NAPA 2450, under $50.

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Subject: Rechroming


Author:
Icepick
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Date Posted: 02/ 8/ 06, 4:15pm

Does anyone know who does bumper rechroming in or around Albany, Ga.

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Subject: Bankruptcy


Author:
RollTide
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Date Posted: 02/ 3/ 06, 4:26am

Is it true Bluebird is going bankrupt and if so, what will this mean to all owners.

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[> Subject: Re: Bankruptcy


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 3/ 06, 4:26am

Bets thing to do is got to Blue Bird's website and read their press releases. www.blue-bird.com

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Subject: thinking of buying


Author:
Mike S.
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 06, 5:47am

Hello, We are thinking of going full time and are intrested in the 84-87 PT WL for the price and the style. Any suggestions? Things to stay away from? Can we attend one of your rally's? We have a 2001 21ft Chinook Concorse and love being on the road but will need more room for full-time. We will keep our Chinook. Thanks....all suggestions welcome

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[> Subject: Re: thinking of buying


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 06, 5:47am

we have Lone Star bird rallies every 2 months or so- everyone is welcome. email me for details, ernie, 83 pt40

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Subject: exhaust blankets


Author:
Jim Riordan
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Date Posted: 01/ 19/ 06, 1:24pm

Jim Riordan Stuart Fl 1988 BB WL wb 8v92 8087-7A40 I am trying to get a complete set of exhaust blankets for my coach tighitco made the oringinal/existing ones called BB to try to find them not in catalog

Can anyone help me with obtaining these

Jim

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Subject: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Kentucky (from Cleveland, OH)
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 06, 9:25am

Does anyone know how I can acquire a Turbo Shield??? I hear they're great with gas mileage and that they make your vehicle drive more smoothly. Thanks for your help guys.

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[> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 06/ 29/ 05, 6:54pm

can you tell us what a turbo shield is?

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[> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 05, 1:49pm

I too am interested in hearing all about your Turbo Shield, and just for the record,we best not use gas, good milage or not, because it has a nasty habit of blowing up diesels, turbo shield or not.
Harv

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[> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 05, 7:09am

Try this website.
http://www.heatshieldproducts.com/products.php

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[> [> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 05, 3:51pm

Better yet, try this wedsite.....turboshield.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 05, 6:56am

Obviously I am thinking of the wrong type of "turbo shield".

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Turbo Shield????


Author:
Kentucky (formerly Cleveland, now Fairbanks, Alaska)
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 06, 9:25am

That Turbo Shield looks like a GREAT product. I'm in the process of ordeing one. Thanks buddy

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Subject: 12.5 kw generator


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 01/ 10/ 06, 4:13pm

I was running my generator the other day, ran for about 15 minutes and shut itself down. water was coming out under the radiator cap. I assumed overheating, first time ever happened, i let it cool and started it again ( after adding antifreeze and water) the electric fan is not turning. has this ever happed to anyone? I will check voltage to it saturday when i have time to work on it before dark.The motor is thermonstaticly protected but i am not sure how. does anyoneknow where to get manuals forthis unit, i will buy them or send youa deposit so i can have any books copied and returned to you

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[> Subject: Re: 12.5 kw generator


Author:
Leroy Eckert
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Date Posted: 01/ 9/ 06, 6:21pm

Is this a Powertech generator? What year?

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[> Subject: Re: 12.5 kw generator


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 10/ 06, 4:13pm

Check the breakers on the generator control box. If one is tripped, there will be nooo 240 volts to the fan. Ernie

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Subject: Generator battery not getting charged (1982 PT-40)


Author:
Kevin Ford
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 06, 5:14am

The battery on my generator is not getting charged. In
troubleshooting yesterday I disconnected the all of the generator battery cables and I'm getting 12.7V from the coach cable providing voltage until I reconnect the dash voltmeter, then the voltage pulls down to about 5V. The in-dash volt meter does work, so I don't really expect it to be the issue. I therefore assume the problem is load-related or a cable connection problem from the coach charging source(s). I tried to follow the charging source cable, but could not find where it connects on the coach.

Can someone tell me where this cable connects into the charging system or if you have any other insight that would also be very much appreciated?

Thanks!

Kevin L. Ford
1982 PT-40
Richmond, Tx.

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Subject: Batteries on a 1983 35FC


Author:
Urnie Krueger
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 05, 9:47pm

I am trying to wire the system so two batteries are used to only start the coach. Too often when the coach sets for awhile it needs to be jumped to start. I have tried a few things - but then the batteries do not charge when the engine is running.
Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this problem?

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[> Subject: Re: Batteries on a 1983 35FC


Author:
Ben Bass
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Date Posted: 12/ 20/ 05, 4:15pm

Hi
No wiring diagram to fix the problem, but I do have a basic diagram from either an 81 or 83 FC. If that would help.
Our 82FC,when started doesn't charge either. However, after it's warmed a bit I find that either A) when we hit the highway, the old girl will start charging, or B) If I'm
we are not moving the coach, just a couple of good blips to the throttle will get her charging.
Don't know if it's common, just one we live with.
Another thought-before we had found/learned about some of the hidden switches,my batteries drained quickly. For when the coach was not in use, I installed knife blade cut-offs on each battery, ginny included.

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[> Subject: Re: Batteries on a 1983 35FC


Author:
DENNIS YOUNG
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 05, 9:47pm

I have installed a relay that separates the starting batteries and other batteries. When I start the coach, it energizes and connects all batteries, which allows them all to charge together off the alternator. I also have separate battery chargers for the starting batteries, and house batteries.

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Subject: Headlights for 1982 PT-40


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 05, 4:31am

I’m looking to upgrade my headlights on a 1982 PT-40, can anyone tell me the high and low headlight part numbers? (I wanted to have the replacement in hand before taking the old ones out.)

Thanks!
Kevin

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Subject: 2 speed rearend


Author:
Carl Herron
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Date Posted: 12/ 19/ 05, 7:12pm

I have a 79 35ft Bird w/3208 NA and a Richmond rearend does anyone know if there is a 2 speed gear replacement for this housing? Or do I need to get a Eaton set-up.
Thanks
Carl

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[> Subject: Re: 2 speed rearend


Author:
harvey lawence
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Date Posted: 12/ 4/ 05, 9:10pm

I have only seen one really successful conversion to a two speed and this was using an air shift rear axle from a wrecked dump truck.The axle was an Eaton. The best way to use it with the allison four speed was to wait until the allison shifted into the highest gear then shift up the two speed. it increased milage somewhat, and added to top speed. it was shifted down before the automatic began shifting down and was shifted to low for descending hills. shifting was done by an air control lever.

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[> Subject: Re: 2 speed rearend


Author:
Ben Bass
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Date Posted: 12/ 19/ 05, 7:12pm

We purchased an 82FC in '04. It has a 2 spd axle. The previous owner said they used Goody's in Toledo,OH to build it up. They said it came in backing plate to backing plate. I think they sent the rear-end up to be redone.
We do like it tho. Noticibly better road speed on the level, but you will sacrifice some power on the hills. On the lo side, 57mph is about it, but for travelling the backcountry or in town it has it's benefits.
This is more of an observation than a how to, but real glad they did it.

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Subject: New Building


Author:
Howard Truitt
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Date Posted: 12/ 13/ 05, 7:47pm

I'm getting ready to build a storage building for my 86 8V92 PT40. I would appreciate some advise on the concrete pad. I plan on building a 16'x56' building with 14'x14' roll up doors on each end. I had one builder say to compact the dirt well and pour 4" of 2000# concrete with fiber the other says I need to pour 6" of 3000# concrete with wire.
I also plan on putting in a 12' long service pit.
I would appreciate your input.
Howard Truitt
Camilla, Ga.

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[> Subject: Re: New Building


Author:
Oris V
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Date Posted: 12/ 13/ 05, 7:47pm

Howard, I just poured a concrete floor in my polebarn which houses my brother's 83 PT40 and my 92 WLWB. I am a structural engineer in Florida and I poured a 5" thick 3000 psi slab reinforced with wire mesh throughout and 3-#5 rebar located directly under where the wheels of the coaches run. This was poured on well compacted fill. The 3000 psi concrete is much better concrete and is usually not that much more expensive than the 2500 psi concrete. I put a steel trowel finish on the surface of the concrete and then covered the entire finish with visqueen after wetting down the surface the day after the concrete was poured. I kept the visqueen in place for 3 weeks to make sure the concrete was properly cured. After I removed the visqueen, I then moved the Birds into their new "nest". I have not had any random cracking in the surface of the concrete. At the cost of concrete today, this represents a large investment and it pays to spend the extra to do it right. I also told the concrete supplier that I did not want the slump of the concrete to exceed 5" at the time of delivery. Hope this helps.

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Subject: Understanding 1982 FC Air Conditioning


Author:
Jerry Kaehr
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 05, 3:40pm

I have been studying vintage Birds so I can intelligently select a unit when I'm ready to buy.

All of the FC units I have seen, except two, have roof air conditioners in addition to the engine/chassis air.

Both of those without roof air conditioners were 1982 FC's.

Can someone explain how the air conditioning on these units is configured and how well it works?

Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Understanding 1982 FC Air Conditioning


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 01/ 14/ 04, 5:08pm

I have an '83 with the CruiseAir basement units, they work extremely well. The advantage is the clean rooftop and increased ceiling height for tall folks, the disadvantage is cost to repair and they use some basement storage space.
CruiseAir is common on boats and busses.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Understanding 1982 FC Air Conditioning


Author:
Susan Sohni
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 04, 8:02pm

While Jeff is right about the space, (you lose a lot of it to the central air units), one of the other considerations is that the central air is way more quiet than roof top airs. That is one of the things we really like about it and will probably miss it if and when we trade up to a newer model.
Susan
'83 40'WL

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Understanding 1982 FC Air Conditioning


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 05, 3:40pm

Susan, where are you located? We have an 83 pt40, also with basement airs. ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: Understanding 1982 FC Air Conditioning


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 12/ 8/ 05, 6:35pm

Jeff: where do you get info on the cruise air?? did you seemy note about cruise controls?
thanks
re

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Subject: Satellite Internet System


Author:
Ken Deneau
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 05, 12:04pm

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience with satellite internet products. I am currently researching Direcway, INetVu, and ViaSat, but can't find any consumer data on them. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken

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Subject: 1973 wanderlodge 391 ford engine


Author:
Mike K
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Date Posted: 12/ 7/ 05, 10:01pm

Anyone know the tune up spec's, dwell, timing etc.
for a 391 Ford gas engine in a '73 wanderlodge.
Thanks.
Mike
mjklightmedia2@yahoo.com

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[> Subject: Re: 1973 wanderlodge 391 ford engine


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 05, 5:09pm

Mike,
you might check your local library and see if they have any
1970's chilton repair manuals. it would be listed there. another source could be your localtruck parts store.
I am checking elsewhere also

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[> Subject: Re: 1973 wanderlodge 391 ford engine


Author:
harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 05/ 4/ 05, 6:00am

Mike,
After a little further research, we have your info.

The dwell on the ford 391 should be set at from 28 deg. to 32 deg.--30 deg being the ideal setting.
Plugs should be gapped at 35 thousands. Point should be initally set at 15 thousands, however may requre adjusting.
The method to use is to remove the distributor cap, and turn the engine over with the starter with the dwell meter hooked up. You should set the dwell as close to 30 as you can.When you start the engine the dwell can change due to wear on the the distibuter drive shaft, so you may have to start engine . check dwell, then shut down and adjust the points, and repeat the process until you have the dwell as close to 30 as possible when you rv up the motor.
Hope this makes your day
Harvey

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1973 wanderlodge 391 ford engine


Author:
Jerry
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Date Posted: 12/ 7/ 05, 10:01pm

In this day and age I cannot believe that anyone is still running a "points" ignition system. A conversion to electronic ignition will make your engine run better, run longer, no longer need frequent tune-ups, and will improve your fuel efficiency. There were lots of Ford "FE" engines (332,352,390,391truck, 410,428 and the mighty 427) so you should be able to find a conversion kit on the cheap.

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Subject: Seat behind passenger seat


Author:
Ben Kachik
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 05, 9:19am

Does anyone know how seat behind passenger
seat is mounted or bolted down. Former owner
installed new carpeting and never put seat
back. Can't find bolt holes, I believe should
be somewhere in front of right wheel well.
Can someone help with instructions or a diagram
pictures or something. Thank you!
Benji

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[> Subject: Re: Seat behind passenger seat


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 05, 9:19am

If the chair you refer to is an "occasional chair" it likely was not bolted down but rather just sat on the carpet. Your message did not include a model or year designation so I am only guessing.

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Subject: gas springs


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 05, 9:04am

Does anyone know the orr and orr part number for the gas springs for the inside comparment doors on a 1983 fc-35??
thanks
re

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[> Subject: Re: gas springs


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 05, 9:04am

The overhead compartments call for 35 psi gas springs. Measure the length of your current springs and call Orr & Orr with the length and psi requirements. I switched to Blue Bird stocked parts where the overhead compartment part number is 3758794. If you call Blue Bird parts at 800-495-7787 be sure to check the part number for your model coach.

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Subject: 77FC33 in FLorida


Author:
Martha & Joe
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Date Posted: 12/ 4/ 05, 7:03am

Where can we procure replacement latches and hardware for overhead compartments? Should there be leveling jacks on this rig? If so, they have been removed and trying to decide if they are needed.

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Subject: Am I too tall?


Author:
Eric Peterson
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 05, 12:25pm

I am in the very early stages of looking for an Rv. I like the older Bluebirds a lot and feel the quality and construction ( from what I have seen on this site ) justifies the higher cost. My first question, and this may rule out a Wanderlodge alltogether, is- How much interior height is there in the coach. I am 6' 3 1/2" tall and am concerned about headroom. I realize this may vary some from model to model or perhaps what options are installed ( a roof top AC that might hang down inside?), but any general answers to this question would be much appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Am I too tall?


Author:
Blair
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Date Posted: 11/ 25/ 05, 3:56pm

You don't have a problem. You should fit in just about any model bird with a smidge of room left over.


You will get more headroom in the wide body models as the factory increased the headroom by several inches.
If you really want headroom, go to the 2004 models and newer as again, headroom was bumped up another couple of inches.

I sold my '86 PT38 because of a bent back and canted neck. I visited every Chiropractic office in every major city on our last trip. As much as I loved the old girl, she had to go. As I was not going to plunk down several hundred grand for a used "new" 2004 or newer coach, we now have another brand coach.

I write this with authority as I stand in bare feet a little over 6'7" +..

Blair in Oregon...email me if you have more questions.

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[> Subject: Re: Am I too tall?


Author:
Brian Roth
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 05, 6:37pm

I'm 6'3" and love my 1981 Wanderlodge. I duck on occasion, its a habit.

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[> Subject: Re: Am I too tall?


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 05, 12:25pm

On my coach which is a front control (FC, non-pusher), I can just touch the bottom of the AC units if I try to stand as tall as possible; I'm 6' early in the day. The air conditioners do hang say 2-1/2 to 3 inches.

Pushers and the 1979 XV model are taller in the interrior.

Regards, Don

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Subject: 12 Volt wiring


Author:
Brian Roth
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Date Posted: 11/ 30/ 05, 11:46am

I am having issues with my '81's 12 volt interior lighting and left blinker. I have been to four shops and none will touch the wiring. I need a wiring diagram. any suggestions? I'm in Orange County CA

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[> Subject: Re: 12 Volt wiring


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 05, 5:01am

ralph fullenwider can help you. email: rlf47@swbell.net

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[> Subject: Re: 12 Volt wiring


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 11/ 30/ 05, 11:46am

The inverters in your fluorescent lights have degraded and need to be replaced. On the turn signal switch, call Blue Bird Parts at 800-495-7787. Blue Bird will probably not stock the part anymore but ask for the vendor's part number and the vendor's phone number. In all likelihood your turn signal switch is made by TRW and is their part number480857. If that is correct, you can buy the part from any Freightliner dealer as part RGT480857

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Subject: Ride in 80's Wanderlodge


Author:
Bob Allwein
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 05, 2:35pm

My wife and I are thinking about getting a good used RV and are interested in an 80's vintage Wanderlodge. My wife has cronic pain and we wanted to know what the ride was like on this type of unit. We have not ridden in one.

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[> Subject: Re: Ride in 80's Wanderlodge


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 2/ 05, 4:30pm

Bob-- for the best and safest ride, you can't go wrong with a Wanderlodge. I'm on my 2nd coach, and when it comes time to trade-- it will be another bluebird. Ernie Ekberg

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[> Subject: Re: Ride in 80's Wanderlodge


Author:
Janice Condon
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 05, 5:51am

We have an '82 which we love. The ride is great, but the best thing is that you can move around in a motorhome. We are thinking about getting another coach, but it will be a bird.

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[> Subject: Re: Ride in 80's Wanderlodge


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 05, 12:54pm

Hello,

Later 1980 busses and newer have air ride that should provide a smoother ride than springs. You may choose to update the shocks if they have begun to fail. Be sure that all zerk fitting are lubbed, there are quite a few of them and many lube shops will flake out and only lube the overtly obvious ones. The longer the wheel base should reduce bumps as well. People have reported good results with over sized tires and wheels up front to tame a spring suspension.

Mine road like crap until I finaly lubed the suspension myself. Mine has springs and needs new shock so it is not all that smooth but it does handle well in the mountanes, where an air suspension might handle a bit more spungy. It is a short 31 foot model as well.

Regards, Don
1980sb31

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[> Subject: Re: Ride in 80's Wanderlodge


Author:
Phil Corpus
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 05, 2:35pm

My wife and I just returned home from Texas where we picked up our 'new' 85PT40. She suffers from lower back pain and becomes uncomfortable within a couple of hours riding in a car.

She manned the copilot seat all the way from Texas to California--one day, I covered almost 700 miles--and was amazed she had no problems. Too bad it's impractical to use our BB to go shopping.

I limited our search to the model years that came standard with air suspension, specifically because of her back problem.

Phil

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Subject: fresh water tanks/front bumper chrome/GPS & TV


Author:
Roland Condon
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 05, 12:51pm

I'm in the process of refurbishing my 1982 35" FC bird as my wife and I are going on the road. I have several issues I need some help with.

I'm looking for a 100 gal. fresh water tank, either original equipment or a substitute.

I'm also looking for a used front bumper in good condition or a place to get my bumper rechromed, or a new front bumper for my '82 bird. I've had mine rechromed but the tank was not long enough and it didn't hold up.

I also have some small parts that I need rechromed and I'm looking for a place where someone has had a good experience having parts rechromed. We live in Maryland.

I'm also thinking about purchasing a GPS system. Can anyone suggest a user friendly system that is not too pricey. Also,any suggestions about TV reception equipment?

I also have trouble with my fluoroescent lighing, when I turn them on they flicker and are very dim.

Thanks for the help. Roland

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[> Subject: Re: fresh water tanks/front bumper chrome/GPS & TV


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 11/ 21/ 05, 12:38pm

Hello again,

On mine the tank is a very tight fit with numerous angles and contours to fit the space. I had no luck finding a replacement. The original tank was made by INCA, from memory. I sent them detailed drawings when they asked for them, then they flatly refused to reply to any further e-mail inquires regarding if this tank was still available…I guess not.

Your tank may be completely different, but on mine the overflow fitting is placed such that the first real hill you hit you’ll loose probably 20 gallons. If you could improve on the overflow tube set-up you might be able to go with a slightly smaller tank, that would be much easier to build, yet have the same effective capacity.

The 60 second tech RV book has an overflow tube suggestion that fits into the tank from the rear to the front that would work well and be easy to implement if you have to have a tank built.


Your fluorescent lights probably aren’t getting the correct voltage. The ballast design is fairly old as well; perhaps someone already swapped them out for you. An easy DC test would be to locate your coach load center(s) in the overhead. With your coach plugged into shore power (or generator), turn all your dc accessories on: lights, heaters, etc.. Now, in the overhead start touching the wires, splices, connectors, ect.. Any hot? If so, poor connections via corrosion, contamination, loose mechanical connections, or even an electrical short is giving you grief.

Expect to find multiple issues… Anything hot to the touch needs to be corrected or heaters wont fire, fluorescent bulbs will grow black and die with their ballast, batteries never seem to hold up as you suspect they should, and fire.

These hot spots represent a voltage drop, i.e., work being done, in this case inappropriately. These can of course occur anywhere along the patch between the battery and the intended load.

Be nosey.

Regards, Don

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[> Subject: Re: fresh water tanks/front bumper chrome/GPS & TV


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 05, 12:51pm

Your fluorescent ballast (inverters) are failing. The original supplier is in business. Call RGM Industries at 321-269-4720

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Subject: fresh water tank repair


Author:
Roland Condon
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Date Posted: 11/ 20/ 05, 8:34am

We have an '82 FC with a crack in the fresh water tank. We were told it may be repaired, but we don't know how. Can anyone help, or does anyone have one to sell?

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[> Subject: Re: fresh water tank repair


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 11/ 9/ 05, 8:22pm

Check with your local body shop. They weld plastic bumpers. They will need a rod that is the same material as the tank. I had this done on the tank of my first bird with total success.

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[> Subject: Re: fresh water tank repair


Author:
Don Duncan
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Date Posted: 11/ 10/ 05, 4:54pm

Hello,

If it is a whitish/transluscent tank, kind of waxy fealing then it is LDPE (Low density polyethylene). I recently did my tank and it is no small task if you need to remove the tank.

This stuff is weldable with LDPE. It melts and blends w/o burning if you use the correct temperature range. But is sticky to work with and you have to melt the plastic you are working with as well (the tank). You will have a hard time finding the rod and it may be spendy. A local plastics shop may have a bit on the shelf, but probably not. Lots of folks weld plastic but this stuff is a bit obscure. DO NOT use an open flame as the plastic will burn and look horible and leak like a spundge, at best.

Try getting a kit off of ebay, hot iron style, but avoid the hot air style kit as this takes more skill.

If you have rot by the tank, soft wood that you can easily chip away with your fingers, don't by surprised if the wood under the tank is just like bark dust. This would is or was nailed down. As the wood rots you may find in time that these nail heads will sooner or later penetrate the bottom of your tank.

I put allot of effort into my tank repair and it has held so far, about 6 months. Forget glues, they will not permanently bond to polyethylene. You need to get the plastics to flow together.

Hot glue sticks work well as well and are dirt cheap to aquire. Very simular material to ldpe but flow better w/o burning. I used ldpe welding rod first then nuked the general area with glue stick.

Expect more than one leak. Aplly a bit of air pressure, by mouth with tube and check for leaks.

Regards, Don Duncan
1980SB31
Beaverton, Oregon

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[> [> Subject: Re: fresh water tank repair


Author:
Roland
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Date Posted: 11/ 20/ 05, 8:34am

Thanks for your help. I'm going to try to find a replacement.

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Subject: manuals and electrical


Author:
Erik
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 05, 5:07am

Is there any place to obtain copies of old manuals and electrical diagrams for my 1983 35' FC?
Need help with functions and electrical repairs.

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[> Subject: Re: manuals and electrical


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 05, 5:07am

contact ralph fullenwider. He has lots of diagrams and is a master when it comes to Bluebirds. rlf47@swbell.net

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Subject: hood support, gas shocks


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 05, 8:18am

several questions on my newly accquared ,85 FC-35
how was the engine cover orginally supported?, i am using a stick,doesn't one have to remove the lower portion of the cover to have the valves ran( adjusted).
does anyone know the orr and orr part number for the gas springs? (for inside doors) how would you figure the force required to hold the door open? i was going to use a fish scale to measure the weight amd half the poundage.

thanks for all your help, all of you togeather have a lot of knowledge and i thank you for sharing it

re brake

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[> Subject: Re: hood support, gas shocks


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 05, 8:18am

Hello,

Yes, the bottom of the doghouse does need to be pulled to access the vavle covers. The top portion on mine is a telescoping 2 part metal support on the drivers side. Nothing fancy.

On mine the lower section was practically glued in place by caulk that some one had put down. So the first time might be a pain in the rear to remove it. If your not going to do the valves yourself I would disassemble the dog house first, then deliver the coach to the shop in question.

The lower section is bolted down and does have some screws attaching to the front of the bus.

Don

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Subject: Wanderlodge Phone #


Author:
Howard
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 05, 8:09am

I have a 1981 33 foot Bird and need some advise reguarding the fuel tank and line routing. Does anyone know if the fuel tanks on Birds have a screen or baffel of any kind? I would appreciate it if anyone knew the Wonderlodge service Phone number. If anyone knows where I could get a copy of the fuel schematic I certenly would be greatful.

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge Phone #


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 10/ 05, 5:44pm

Call Bennie Collier 800-992-6337

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge Phone #


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 05, 8:09am

Hello,

On my 1980 there is no in tank strainer, just a pick up tube and a return port as well. There is a spare pick up tube and return port that is unused that I tapped for diesel for a future genset. Just so you know there are extra ports. There is also a vent port w/quarter inch tubing too.

Regards, Don

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Subject: new owner help 83FC


Author:
Erik
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Date Posted: 11/ 14/ 05, 6:11pm

I need help figuring out all the controls and features on my '83FC. Lots of features, switches I don't understand and changes made over its life including a change to a cummins turbo diesel.
Is anyone near Reno, NV or in N.California that can give me info or a walkthrough, I would be eternally grateful. Thank you.

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Subject: freeze protectionn wires


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 13/ 05, 5:34am

We have an early 80's PT with the original blue freeze protection wires for our water pipes. Since this wiring is so old, I would like to update them. Has anyone done that and what did you replace it with? Thanks, Ernie-83pt40

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[> Subject: Re: freeze protectionn wires


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 05, 6:19pm

Hello,

The best is self regulating heat/trace tape. It is also spendy. Basically, the colder it gets the hotter it gets. Two leads run the length of the tape, the material in between is heat sensitive. If you place an ice cube on a section of the tape, that area in contact with the ice cube will heat up. Rated in watts per foot, I used 5 watts per foot around copper pipes, I think 3 watts per foot is max with plastics.

Because it is self regulating, it can wrap arround itself w/o overheating. It can be turned on by manual switch, thermostat etc.

Your current heat tape is not self regulating and probably is turned on via built in thermostat. It is a simple resistive loop.

On my bird this resistive loop was double wrapped around the pipes and covered with what was now dried out duct tape. It was wrapped around itself, which is not recommended these days as far as I could tell. There were some minor burn marks from this tape on itself and the freshwater tank. I this the thermostat had long stopped working and it was making no heat.

Hopefully, you wont have to take half as much of your coach appart as I did to fully replace it. I have a 2' section behind the shower that I still cant quite access.

A tip. This stuff is fairly obscure outside of industry. Expect 5 bucks a foot for the a non-armored type. Contact a local insulator firm(s) and see if they'll make you a deal on some scrap pieces. Anything less than 30' might be scrap to these guys...

It can be spliced and shortend as necessary, some folks install a neon light at the far end so that you can see that light if the tape is getting power. At regular room temperature mine radiated a slight heat.

Good luck, Don

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[> [> Subject: Re: freeze protectionn wires


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 13/ 05, 5:34am

Thank you, Don for the reply. I didn't know there were so many varieties. Ernie Ekberg

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Subject: towing


Author:
marvin
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 05, 2:45am

Will a PT 40 with 6V92 be overloaded towing a 2005 F 150 supercrew.
Also does anyone know if there is a kit[I know there is one for the Explorer] to tow this truck 4 wheels down. It is an F 150 w/ 5.4 engine 4X4 w/ elec shift 4 w/d and auto tranny.
thanks, marvin

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[> Subject: Re: towing


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 05, 2:45am

Marvin, I tow a 3/4 ton Suburban ( 2500 ) behind my 1983 FC with a 3208 cat. 225 hp and there is no problem. The suburban weighs 6700 LBS, your ford I would think weighs less. You have ( I think ) 300 hp with the DD 6v92.

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Subject: Trim Plate For Led Lites


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 11/ 4/ 05, 7:15pm

Has anyone seen or made trim plates to put behind the new led tail/directional lites I put on my 85 FC, when I took off the school bus lites. Jack

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Subject: Kohler Generator


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 05, 5:14pm

I have a 12.5 Kohler generator on a 83FC BB with a perkins diesel. Can anyone tell me how to change the fuel filter and water separator and also the parts no. of the oil filter and fuel/water filter.

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[> Subject: Re: Kohler Generator


Author:
Mike
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Date Posted: 10/ 26/ 05, 11:42am

Sam,
I have the same 12.5 Kohler with the Perkins on my 83 PT40. Here's the cross referencee chart that I built for my genset filters.

..................NAPA...WIX...Baldwin...Carquest...AMSOIL
Fuel Filters...3166..33166.....-..........-.........-
Racor..........3208..33208...PF598......86208.......-
Oil Filter.....1068......-.........-............-.......SDF96

As far as changing the filters, if you have a Racor filter on yours, remove cover, remove filter cartridge, insert new racor filter cartridge, re-fill filter housing with fresh diesel fuel (or ATF), replace new rubber o-rings on cover (two - one on cap, one on center bolt) and re-install cover. That's the easy one.

As for the fuel filter on the side of the engine, it's a real pain as it is an insert filter, sandwiched between the housing top which is attached to the engine block and the bottom cap which comes off with the filter. The filter and the bottom cap are held in place with a bolt that extends down through the top, through the filter and screws into the bottom cap. You should have instructions in your blue box for changing this filter, but the way that works for me is messy, but as follows: hand under filter assembly, remove bolt on top (7/16" maybe? - also may need to remove hollow stud with two fuel lines covering the center bolt in order to remove the 7/16 bolt), discard old filter, remove rubber o-rings in top cap (two - one in cap, one on center bolt) and replace with new (light coat of grease holds them in place), place new filter in bottom cap (may be a new o-ring there also, can't remember). Then (here's where it gets messy) I hold the filter and bottom cap tightly together, fill with fuel and carefully place it up in the top cap and re-tighten the center bolt. Messy, but saves bleeding time. You can finish filling the filter by carefully pouring more fuel down the hollow stud mounting hole. You can then try to pump the little AC primer next to the filter, but I've never seen it do much to prime the system. Almost assuredly, you will need to crank the engine while loosening the injectors until you bleed the air out of them and the engine re-fires as you re-tighten the injectors. Really a fun job. NOT. Sometimes the Perkins engines can be a real bear to get re-primed. Don't overheat the starter by cranking too long at any one time, and don't run your battery down if it doesn't start fairly quickly (throw a battery charger on the battery while doing the bleeding, if necessary to keep from running it down).

Good luck,
Mike

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[> Subject: Re: Kohler Generator


Author:
Jack Richardson
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 05, 5:14pm

When changing the fuel filter, if you loosen the banjo (that's what we called them on our British cars)fitting on the discharge side of the filter, and use the manual overide (tickler)on the fuel pump until fuel comes out, it will usually get most of the air out. If you have fuel seepage around the fittings, buy new copper washers, and the little rubber O rings for the small fittings on the fuel lines. Continued wrenching will eventually strip the pot metal. Also if you use NAPA filters, compare the 1048 to the 1806 that they call for also in their book. The 1806 is longer. Ask your NAPA dealer to give you the price break they give to big filter users. The 1798 for the Cat 3208, and the 1806 are in the $6-7 dollar range. That means use their account # and pay cash. There are plenty of Kohler users and repairers out there that will be glad to help you fix any problem. A manual is money well spent, if you have any questions E Mail me Jack

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Subject: bmc versus regular bird chassis


Author:
richard surprenant
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 05, 3:00pm

Since BMC is not a bluebird chassis should one avoid those used coaches.

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[> Subject: Re: bmc versus regular bird chassis


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 05, 3:00pm

The BMC is a fine coach. I would not hesitate to own one. Ernie Ekberg, 83pt40

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Subject: Question about 84 FC 35


Author:
Gail Allen Remy
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Date Posted: 10/ 17/ 05, 5:58am

Hello:
I am looking at a 84 FC 35 to buy. It has the rear queen bedroom. I am confused , IT HAS NO REAR WINDOW, just solid rear wall. I have not seen this on any bluebird of this vintage. Is this unusual? Can someone inform me about this model. Is this a problem for resale in the future. I dont want to purchase a problem.
Thank you
G. Remy

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[> Subject: Re: Question about 84 FC 35


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 09/ 24/ 05, 2:31pm

The coach may have had a broken window, and perhaps the previos owner opted to close them off. Where is the coach located?

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[> Subject: Re: Question about 84 FC 35


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 05, 7:57pm

We have an 84 PT36. A cover was made (I assume at the factory) that covers the rear windows. I had the cover off and noticed the rear windows. A member of our bird group has an 86 PT40 that has the same setup. Inside of our coaches we have closets in the back behind our queen beds.
So to answer your question, it is not at all unusual, I think they all have this setup.

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[> Subject: Re: Question about 84 FC 35


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 10/ 17/ 05, 5:58am

I believe that was an option in 1984 and made standard in later years. The factory simply covered the outside with a metal cover and the inside with whatever. Also some owners had that modification done to be styled after the converted Provost busses.
Harv

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Subject: Glass sunroof weatherstrip


Author:
Robert Britton
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 05, 7:12pm

I need to replace the weatherstrip on the glass sunroof of my 87FC. Does anyone know where I might be able to find the weatherstrip?
Thanks!
Robert Britton

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Subject: PT36 shower drain


Author:
Robin Williamson
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Date Posted: 09/ 18/ 05, 6:31pm

We have had a PT36 for many years. The shower drain is getting a bit slow. Would like to know a safe way of cleaning it before it stops up alltogether.
Has anybody any experience with this?

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[> Subject: Re: PT36 shower drain


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 07/ 18/ 05, 7:19am

the drain probably suffers from years of whatever and hair and the like. I would drain my grey tank, open the valve & put a bucket under it, then try a good brand of household drain cleaner. Let it set a bit and flush.
If that does not work try a snake down the pipe through to the tank. Also check your roof plumbing vent pipe to make sure you do not have any barn swallows or the like.
Harv

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[> Subject: Re: PT36 shower drain


Author:
Jim Scoggins
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Date Posted: 07/ 21/ 05, 9:27am

Grab the drain "plug" itself and pull it out. The trailing plug assembly will probably be wrapped in hair. Also, put a little hook in a 12 inch piece of coat hangar, push it into the drain and twirl it around. You will catch a bunch more hair. Then push the drain plug assembly back into the hole--should be OK then.

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[> Subject: Re: PT36 shower drain


Author:
re brake
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Date Posted: 09/ 18/ 05, 6:31pm

what you can do is take a piece of number 12 electrical wire about a foot long . take the insulation off one end and spread the wires out in a circle.stick this down the drain and twist it around it will grab the hair. keep doing it until it comes up clean

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Subject: Paint problems


Author:
Butch Charpentier
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Date Posted: 09/ 17/ 05, 2:04pm

I have Blue Bird Cancer, which is the galvanic action on my conpartment doors around the handels. Now I can have it touched up but I have been informed that it will reaccur within a year or two. Has anyone had this problem with their early 90s Bird and found a solution?

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Subject: water in air system


Author:
Joey Breaux
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 05, 2:50pm

I have water in the air system. When i use the air hose
water comes out. It's a 1990 bird. Help /

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[> Subject: Re: water in air system


Author:
e mcstay
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 05, 8:58pm

the name breaux- must be from louisiana.try draining the air tanks.ed lonesome dove.

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[> Subject: Re: water in air system


Author:
mbulriss
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 05, 1:06pm

In addition to draining the tanks, I think I'd be checking the air dryer system for proper operation also. Do you hear the air dryer cycling when the coach is running?
Mike 83 & 91 PT40

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[> [> Subject: Re: water in air system


Author:
J B
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Date Posted: 08/ 27/ 05, 12:17pm

Where is the dryer system and where is the main air tank

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: water in air system


Author:
mbulriss
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 05, 2:41pm

Been traveling and just saw this follow-up question. The air dryer removes moisture from the air system that provides air for your air brakes, air suspension, and *many* other items on most Birds. If the air dryer ever quits working in the winter and you have water in the system and you park overnight in freezing weather, when you get up in the morning ready to go and nothing happens, your brakes are locked up, frozen, because of water in the lines. Since you have water coming out your air line, you probably need this item serviced. The air dryer is under the Bird, usually located near the differential. Air comes from the compressor on the engine into the bottom of the dryer, which then circulates the air to remove moisture and other contaminants, before the clean/dry air is sent on to the rest of the system. When you periodically hear the air under the bus go whoosh, the unit is purging itself, backflushing itself and blowing condensed water and oil out from the air system before it gets to the tanks, lines, air bags and air brakes. The air dryer has a dessicant cartridge (to remove the moisture) that is replaceable, a small electric heater on the bottom which is replaceable, and the purge valve is re-buildable. It is a standard Bendix part with replacement parts available at any good auto/truck parts place. **DO NOT** crawl under the Bird to work on this, or any other, part without auxiliary jack stands and/or auxiliary jacks under the frame. **DO NOT** rely on the leveling jacks. You must remove all air from the system before working on this unit and the air suspension will drop the body 4-6 inches, onto you, without the proper precautions of the external jacks. There should be documentation in your blue box on the air dryer. Do not attempt working on this system if you are not mechanically inclined.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: water in air system


Author:
mbulriss
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Date Posted: 09/ 10/ 05, 2:50pm

Missed the air tank portion of the question. Refer to the previous response's caution on blocking up the frame before proceeding. There should be three air tanks on your 90. There should be one each over the top of the grey and waste water tanks, and there should be another one over the front axle. That's where they are on my 83 PT. Have not crawled under my 91 yet. They all have drains on them that you have to get to from under the bus. Since draining the tanks removes all the air from the system, I say once again: the air suspension will drop and the bus will fall on you unless you use external jack stands or jacks to hold the frame up. Get the idea to stay safe?

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Subject: PT-40 Geneator and in-out Problem


Author:
Kevin Ford
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Date Posted: 09/ 6/ 05, 8:19am

I’am working on a problem with my '82 PT-40 Kohler Generator and I need some help.

Problem Description:
1. While trying to start my generator from one of the inside switches suddenly the switch would no longer kick in the Solenoid.
2. Once this happened I then tried to open/extend the generator, but the generator in-out switch was dead also.
3. Since I was actually working on the generator I had just had it extended a few minutes earlier so it seemed to stop working in conjunction with the starter switch.
4. Is there a connection between these two switches that I need to seek out?
5. Or something else anyone would suggest?

And if anyone has any trouble shooting tips for the Kohler Generator that will not start that would also be welcomed. That was the original problem I was working on.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: PT-40 Geneator and in-out Problem


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 05, 5:24am

Kevin, in your generator switch compartment there are a couple of fuses on the front wall. see if one of them is blown. I had the same thing go out in mine and one of those controled the pump. ernie-83pt40

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[> Subject: Re: PT-40 Geneator and in-out Problem


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 09/ 6/ 05, 8:19am

There are two solenoids associated with the generator engine, the starter solenoid and the fuel shut off solenoid. Do you mean the engine would not crank, or if it would crank, that it would not start? There are also two micro switches in the generator slide tray that could cause a malfunction in opening or closing the generator slide.

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Subject: cleaning the motor portion of refer


Author:
Betty Umpstead
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 05, 9:33am

We have a 1982 BB.the refer is not orginal but was replaced about 10 years ago with a Norcold 3-way.All of a sudden it quit working.Is there not a way that the motor portion can be cleaned without going to a repair shop?I read some where in one of your Q&A section that you can,but cannot find it again.Any help would be very appreciated.Repair shops are expense.Thank you
Betty Umpstead

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[> Subject: Re: cleaning the motor portion of refer


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 08/ 29/ 05, 9:46am

Betty, Since this is a 3 way refrigerator there are a few things we need to define. The refer requires 12 volts to operate a circuit board that tells the refrigerator to operate in 12 volt mode 110 volt mode or in gas mode. So the first thing would be to determine that the refrigerator has 12 volts to the controller circuit board. It could be that you have a blown fuse. Since this refrigerator is not original, you will have to determine where the fuse is if you do not have the 12 volts for the controller. If you do have power to the controller are you able to change the mode from electric to gas? If not your controller board could be bad.

These RV refrigerators do not have a motor. They operate by heating and cooling the gas inside the refer tubing. The heating is done either by gas heat or electric heat (12 V or 110 V).

There are lots of other possible problems such as a bad thermostat, leaking of the refrigerant gas (usually accompanied with a really bad odor), or poor air circulation for the heaters, but you need to determine the items in my first paragraph first.

Steve

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[> [> Subject: Re: cleaning the motor portion of refer


Author:
Betty Umpstead
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 05, 9:33am

Steve,
Thank you for your reply.The 12V for the refer does work,the control panel lights up.We can also switch it from electric to gas no problem.We have not smelled gas leaking.Everything seems to be working except the refer does not get cold.
Thank You
Betty

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Subject: rockwell axel R-155 in a 1984 pt40


Author:
Marvin Skaggs
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 05, 1:15pm

What would the fluid capacity be.
thanks, marvin

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[> Subject: Re: rockwell axel R-155 in a 1984 pt40


Author:
mbulriss
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 05, 1:15pm

If you mean the differential capacity, get a five gallon container of fluid because it is going to take about 4.5 gallons to re-fill it. Should be much cheaper in a 5 gal container rather than quarts or gallons. Get a BIG bucket before opening the drain plug!
Mike 83 & 91 PT40

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Subject: Water Heater 1988 BB wbwl 40'


Author:
Jim Riordan
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 05, 1:09pm

Trying to find waterheater in my newly purchased vintage bird

Jim

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[> Subject: Re: Water Heater 1988 BB wbwl 40'


Author:
mbulriss
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Date Posted: 08/ 25/ 05, 1:09pm

It should be in the far rear corner on the driver's side, in or under a closet usually.
Mike 83 & 91 PT40

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Subject: transmision cooler


Author:
ed mcstay
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 05, 6:18pm

i have an 83fc and am looking to put an trans. oil cooler on it. what have you done to your bird to cool the trans. oil.

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[> Subject: Re: transmision cooler


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 05, 6:18pm

Ed- on my 84 35FC, the transmission cooler was mounted under curb side forward compartment. It had a heavy duty wire mesh under it to protect it from debris. Ernie-83PT40

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Subject: A/B switch


Author:
david bell
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Date Posted: 08/ 22/ 05, 10:24am

On a 1989 PT 40, can anyone tell me where I can locate the A/B switch for cable/antenna.

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[> Subject: Re: A/B switch


Author:
Jim Scoggins
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Date Posted: 07/ 21/ 05, 9:33am

Sometimes located in the compartment just above the refrigerator oor the overhead compartment on the right side just ahead of the dinnette

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[> Subject: Re: A/B switch


Author:
Steve Saraga
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 05, 12:18pm

In my 1988 PT40 WB, it is in the right upper overhead compartment, to the right of the TV.

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[> Subject: Re: A/B switch


Author:
im Riordan
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Date Posted: 08/ 22/ 05, 10:24am

Had same problem Starboard side overhead cabinet forward of the dinette, above rotator for antenna

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Subject: Water pump


Author:
HUBERT HARRIEN
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 05, 2:31am

I HAVE AN 81 35FC , 100 GAL WATER TANK, REAR FULL SIZE BED AND THE WATER PUMP SEEMS TO BE NOT OPERATING. WHERE IS IT LOCATED? I ALSO SEEM TO BE LOSING AIR FROM THE AIR TANK
I TAPPED ON THE VALVE AND THE AIR LEAK SLOWED DOWN. IS THERE A REBUILD KIT FOR THE AIR VALVE?

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[> Subject: Re: Water pump


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 05, 2:31am

I have a 83 FC 35',and the water pump is located under the kitchen sink. Could be that your belt is lose or needs to be replaced. That would be where I would start.

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Subject: Wanderlodge mechanic in Las Vegas vicinity


Author:
Yvonne Deligiorgis
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 05, 5:50pm

Our family recently purchased a 1970 Wanderlodge in Las Vegas, Nevada. It appears to have been a one owner vehicle and has been parked for a number of years. We need to find someone in the Las Vegas/Henderson area who can assist us in getting this vehicle road-ready. Since it hasn't been driven (or even had the motor started as near as we can tell) it needs a complete review or evaluation of what needs to be done. It has a Ford engine and runs on gasoline. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks very much.

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge mechanic in Las Vegas vicinity


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 05, 5:50pm

ralph fullenwider could assist you- rlf47@swbell.net

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Subject: 77FC35 rear airbag suspension


Author:
Leo Doon
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 05, 8:30am

I'm having trouble with getting my old bird level after local shop replaced rear springs & shocks( listed to one side). The spring carrige is cocked forward at an angle and the airbags do not look alined. shop told me airbag suspension not factory but put on after the fact?(older GMC)The dogbone bushings were dryrot and shop rigged something but it doesn't hold carrige properly and rear of buss is 3to4" higher than front. anyone have any ideas how to fix? $3k spent sofar :(
BTW: great site

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[> Subject: Re: 77FC35 rear airbag suspension


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 06/ 24/ 05, 8:30am

I had a 35 ft 79 with after market air bags. the rear springs had one end anchored to a spring shackle and the other end tied to the bottom of the air bag. If yours is like this then it is possible that there is an adjustment on the air bag end linkage. If not, is it possible to absorb that 3to 4 inches by adjusting air bag pressure?
Harvey

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Subject: shoreline attached switch


Author:
Brownell Christof
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Date Posted: 06/ 21/ 05, 10:44am

I have a 78 Blue Bird Wanderlodge. What does the shoreline attached switch on the dash board do? I can't seem to figure out any difference when I'm plugged in to 110v. Also, I want to avoid overcharging my batteries when I'm plugged in. Is there a automatic control for this? And one more question, on the dash I have a broken off switch with no label and when I switch it, I get an alarm sound from a cylinder on top off the engine. What is this for? Thank you very much for a reply, sincerely, Christof

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[> Subject: Re: shoreline attached switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 16/ 05, 5:14am

Christof,

Go to This web site

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/wanderlodge/

You may get more responses, I am not familiar with a 1978

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[> Subject: Re: shoreline attached switch


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 06/ 21/ 05, 10:44am

Your 78 May be different than my 79. My 79 has a "Safeline system that is plugged in to the outlets below the shift lever. When there is 110 v at that outlet the Safeline detects that voltage. Then when the engine start key is turned to on the Safeline lets you know that you are starting the engine and that you are still attached to shore power. It lets you know with a blinking light and or a buzzer(on mine the buzzer is switchable to off). This is supposed to keep you from driving away with shore power plugged in. Interesting to note....the duplex outlet along side the drivers seat where the Safeline is plugged into is not switched off when the master selector switch just inside the door is selected to off. It is wired around the selector switch to still provide voltage to the Safeline through a couple of switch boxes inside the door near the master selector switch one for the upper outlet of the duplex and the other for the lower outlet. We often use this to switch a 110 v nightlight that we plug into the safeline outlet.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo Wa

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Subject: Tail Light


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 05, 11:04am

There is an entry in the parts section:Tail light lens if you have a 90 to 97 bird with the milkey tail light lens and want new ones, call 1-877-902-2600, swedish car parts. part #s are tvv8171 for left side, tvv8172 for right side. $90 each, cheapest that i've found ! I ordered a tail light (now $120)and found that one end is taller than the old tail light on my 96 wanderlodge. I want to know if sawing off part of the new tail light is appropiate or expected by the entry author. Thanks Don

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[> Subject: Re: Tail Light


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 05, 11:04am

The post in the parts section on Tail Lights needs to be amended to include the information that the new tail light must have approximately 1 inch of material removed on the edge toward the center of the motorhome. I used a Dremel tool with a cutoff wheel. All of the above being true for a 96 Wanderlodge. Don

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Subject: Roof A/C while driving


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 05/ 27/ 05, 7:44am

Can I run one of the roof a/c units on the inverter while driving? I have a 1990 WB with 6 batteries.

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[> Subject: Re: Roof A/C while driving


Author:
Don Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 27/ 05, 7:44am

I run the front a/c on my 96 bird. Coach has 2 heart 2500w inverters and 6 D batteries. I'm told you should only do this when alternator is running at cruise speed. Don

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Subject: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
Hal Maddox
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 05, 4:29am

We are thinking about purchasing a 1990 Wanderlodge, we reside in Tampa, Fl. Is there anyone that can inspect the Bluebird before we puchase it?

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[> Subject: Re: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 05, 4:52am

Where is your perspective coach located? We have folks all over the country that could help you out. Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
Hal
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 05, 6:40am

The coach is located in Zephyrhills, Florida.

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[> Subject: Re: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
Hal Maddox
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 05, 5:36am

We are looking at a 1990 wanderlodge located near 75 & 54 in the Northern part of Tampa. Is there anyone out there that can inspect the motorhome for us, we know nothing about wanderlodges. We will pay someone to inspect the motorhome for us. Need someone asap.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
randy dupree
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Date Posted: 05/ 19/ 05, 5:25pm

call me,i'm in gainesville fl 352 495 2057

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Inspection on Vintage Bird


Author:
Dolores
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 05, 4:29am

Thank's Randy, with friends like you, who needs enemies.
May God Bless You.

1990 Wanderlodge in Zephyrhills

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Subject: whats it for


Author:
ed mcstay
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Date Posted: 05/ 21/ 05, 11:48am

i have a 1983 fc with a 3208 cat engine. at the left rear of the engine is a cooling line that runs to the heater lines on the right front. can any one tell me what this line is for or can it be disconnected.

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Subject: Musical Horn


Author:
Tommy Edwards
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Date Posted: 05/ 15/ 05, 7:31pm

I have a 1985 FC, bought it last year. We love it. The musical horn now plays out of sync/off key. Any advise?
Thanks. TE.

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Subject: King Pin Lubrication


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 12/ 05, 2:42pm

A tech manual from Rockwell, 1983 era, states that the weight must be left on the king pins when lubricating them. This goes against all that I have heard in the past.

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[> Subject: Re: King Pin Lubrication


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 05/ 12/ 05, 2:42pm

Ernie.
I think it has something to do with where on the spindle the grease fittings are. I have been involved with vehicles with spindles and King pins for years and have always heard the same as you. Get the weight off for good greasing. But if the company that makes the axles says differently I guess they must know.
Harv

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Subject: leveling


Author:
Roger
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 05, 5:17pm

my 1982 wanderlodge has overextended its levelers. The jacks are now facing the front of the bus. How do I fix this?

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[> Subject: Re: leveling


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 05, 5:17pm

If I had your problem I would go directly to the experts. call 1-800 321-3494 the HWH Jack co. in moscow IA. They are real nice folks and they will suggest a solution.
Harvey

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Subject: motor transplant


Author:
mark
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Date Posted: 04/ 14/ 05, 8:23am

howdy, I need to replace my 3208 na with a new power unit. It appears that the cummins 8.3l may fit in the forward control space. Are motor/tranny mounts available off the shelf? Our bus the is a 1977 wanderlodge in first class condition. As we run the west coast mountains, 300 horse power or more is required. What are the motors that would fit into the forward control space? I prepared to swap out the Allison mt640 which can handle a maximum of 660 ft lbs torque. Any and all imput welcome to avoid re-inventing the wheel. from the Johnstons and the me 2.

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Subject: gas engine


Author:
Steve Phillips
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 05, 8:51pm

Hi All

Iam thinking of selling my 78 Gmc Birchaven and buying a Bird. I was wondering what are the pros and cons OF THE big Ford gas engines?

Also is there an interactive web site for the Bluebird MH?

Thanks for your reply
Steve

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[> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Curt Sprenger
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Date Posted: 01/ 20/ 05, 6:13am

Steve,
I own a 1974 Bluebird foward control (FC) 31' with a Ford 534CI gas engine. Just replaced the original carb. with a 750 holley. Getting better mileage now, 6.5+ on flat ground, better than 5 in the hills. I may want to sell the coach as I plan to move up to a 40' diesel pusher.

Interactive site...try www.wanderlodge.org . I've been on that site for almost two years, great site, very helpful folks there, only for Bluebird owners, well moderated.
Curt

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[> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 01/ 20/ 05, 11:19am

With regards to the reply you recieved from Curt about Wanderlodge.org: The archieved data on that website is invaluable to all Wanderlodge owners and wannabes. There is a huge amount of archieved data on this Vintage Bird site also. nearly any problem that can be imagined has been previously experienced and the answers are usually here.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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[> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
CC
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Date Posted: 02/ 1/ 05, 2:19pm

Can a coach like Curt's pull a call, too?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 3/ 05, 9:57am

No, it can't pull a call, but it can pull a car rather nicely. Hopefully I have helped!

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
Kentucky
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Date Posted: 02/ 15/ 05, 11:30am

Sam, You've been a great help. I think I'll purchase one.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: gas engine


Author:
STEVE
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 05, 8:51pm

Hi Curt

You mentioned earlier that you were thinking of selling your coach> Have you decided? If so do You have e-mail photo's and details I might be interested.If not do you know of any of any coaches for sale in the northwest part of the country?

Steve
mr34@pipeline.com

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Subject: Bluebird under 35' diesel


Author:
J. Hinz
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Date Posted: 04/ 2/ 05, 5:28pm

I've been interested in Bluebirds for years- and now am ready to take the plunge... I'd like some information
1) What is the most efficient diesel engine/size around 77-85? Nothing over 36' for me...
2) Any ideas of costs to replace transmissions or engines- again diesel?
3) Is 150,000 miles anything to be concerned about?
Thanks for the help... Jerry

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird under 35' diesel


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 04/ 2/ 05, 5:28pm

Can give you the cost of replacing the 3208T in a 1984 FC35 as of two years ago. The Job was done at the Little Rock Arkansas CAT Dealer J.A.Riggs. My milage at the time was 156,000 miles. The reason for the need for replacement was a frozen Turbo unit. The Dealer said that one piston had started to burn, and that the diffrence between rebuilding my engine, and a factory unit was only $1500.00 Factory unit included a new Turbo and new injectors. While the engine was out I had the Radiator refurbished, and the transmissin serviced, total cost was $13,700 and some change. The dealer said that the 3208T most often runs more than 300,000 miles, if the turbo is serviced regularly. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.

L. Longcrier

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Subject: Bluebird titles


Author:
Jon O.
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:40am

I am considering buying a older Bluebird that has a salvaged title. The owner dosen't think it was ever in a bad crash and he says it drives great. What are the ramifications of buying a bus with a salvaged title? Thanks for any info.

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
Jeff Miller
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Date Posted: 03/ 28/ 05, 11:38am

A salvage title usually (not always) means there was enough (fire/crash/flood/??) damage to exceed its value. What that damage was and how it was repaired could impact its value a great deal.

Other than that, a salvage title usually makes it difficult to finance and to insure. These things combined with the general feeling of the salvage title will likely also make it difficult to sell again and far less valuable than an equivalent 'Bird with a straight title.

- Jeff Miller

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
DENNIS
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Date Posted: 03/ 31/ 05, 10:28pm

HI,, I BOUGHT ONE WITH A SALVAGE TITLE TOO,,, IT WAS IN A FIRE, AND SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN REPAIRED FAIRLY WELL,,IT SEEMS THE HOLDING TANK HEATERS CAUSED THE FIRE, AND ONLY ONE SIDE WAS BURNED,,, I HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH IT AND REPLACING/REPAIRING A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRE,, IT IS A 1983 PT40, AND SO FAR, I REALLY LIKE IT. I NEVER PLAN ON SELLING IT, SO I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE RESALE VALUE. I HOPE TO EVENTUALLY SELL MY HOME AND BECOME A FULL TIMER,,, I HAVE INSTALLED 400 WATTS OF SOLAR PANELS, AND A 2500 WATT INVERTER, AND 4 6-VOLT GOLF CART BATTERIES, ALONG WITH A BIG GEL CELL STARTING BATTERY,AND THE GENERATOR BATTERY. I AM READY FOR SOME LONG TERM DRY CAMPING!!

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[> Subject: Re: Bluebird titles


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:40am

although jeff is correct in all he says, you might try contacting your state vehicle license authority to see if you can have a regular title issued after completeing required work. Some state have that option
Harv

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Subject: Wanderlodge 1996 vs 1994


Author:
Leigh
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:30am

Hi, I'm debating between purchasing a 1996 42' Detroit Series 60 with an Allison 6 speed OR 1994 40' Detroit 8V92TAC with an Allison 5 speed. The price is right for both and the accessories are similar. I would like some input on equipment in each from. Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge 1996 vs 1994


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 05, 7:30am

Liegh,
Both of the engines you mentioned are good and will drive the respective coachs down the road in good fashion, BUT if it were me, I would take the series sixty Detroit without question!! First,the engine is electronically controlled which means precise fuel measuring and delivery. This equates to better combustion and better fuel milage.The 8V92 was not made after 1990's and if you go to a Detroit dealer for service, often they have no one on their staff who even knows how to tune up a 6V or 8V92. All you have to do with the series 60 is plug the computer in and it tells you what to do next. That makes all the service people smart and give you a good running engine.
Harv

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Subject: Mirrors


Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 6:03pm

I have a 74 Wonderlodge with the older style rear view mirrors on a metel tubing (rusting bad). I noticed many older units on this websight have the newer style mirrors mounted to the front corners of the bus......where can I obtain these type mirrors? Thanks....Gary

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[> Subject: Re: Mirrors


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 04, 8:16am

Gary- Ramco makes mirrors for the coaches. Ernie 83PT40 in Texas

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[> Subject: Re: Mirrors


Author:
harv680
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 6:03pm

Vel vac made the mirrors I do believe, and they may still have them. As i recall they made them in a paited steel or stainless, with two heads. One was concave and the other flat. good rear vision and great whistlers in the wind try www.velvac.com
Harv

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Subject: towing


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 5:53pm

My family is considering an fc35 with the 250T. Has anyone ever towed or tried to launch a boat behind this? Boat and trailer are about #4000.

Thanks

Michael

Halifax VT

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[> Subject: Re: towing


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 18/ 05, 2:51pm

Michael, I believe a 35 FC with the turbo can tow as much as 10,000 pounds. Go for it. Ernie

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[> Subject: Re: towing


Author:
Harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 5:53pm

Aword to the wise!! NEVER launch a boat by backing it in with a motor home. It is areal good way to lose the whole works and see you coch sink beow the waves! Mount a ball on the front bumper and drop the trailer & Boat, turn around and hook it on the front and drive it down the ramp. This keeps the dual and the better tracion high on the boat ramp where it is less slippery.
harv

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Subject: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
jim powell
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 4:50pm

hello, i just bought a 98 wanderlodge 43' lxi and wanted some feed back from owners of a coach like this. it is my first wonderlodge, i have owned monaco, safari and many other brands as it is the only way my wife can travel due to her extreme back problems and she wont fly. i looked at prevost and many others but i chose wanderlodge because of its price and i asume real quality. i have not had it on a trip, can any of you point out likes and dislikes or anything i should be aware of. respectfully, jim powell

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[> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 03/ 22/ 05, 10:05am

Jim

Most people on this site own a 1995 BB or older. Some may have some good imput for you but I think you would be better served at another site.

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[> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 03/ 26/ 05, 6:20am

Hi Jim,
I've had a '99 LXi43 for 4 years and love it. I found your post here by chance and you should have better results posting at the wanderlodge.org site. That site is in the process of going to a private multi-forum location, for all Birds and you will be able to switch over when the move occurs. In the meantime check out wanderlodge.org and sign up. I will see your posts there along with many others and attempt to help any way possible. We can trade ideas, fixes, etc. I sign on there as "G_man1146" but always sign the posts with my name. Look forward to seeing you there.
Rich D.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
jim powell
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Date Posted: 03/ 26/ 05, 11:09am

thanks rich, for your reply on the 43' lxi, i will change over to the other site and im sure i will have some more questions, thanks again, jim

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 1998 wanderbird lxi


Author:
harvey lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 05, 4:50pm

You can be served on this site as well as anywhere, even though SAM does not think so. I will be more than pleased to help you if you e mail me.
Harv

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Subject: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 05, 6:27am

I just bought a very nice 78 FC but the leveling jacks won't operate. I get 2 green lights on the dash when I switch on the leveling system master but that's it. When I move the levers there is no sound. I have tried it with the key on, key in accesory, engine running, air up, etc. Also I don't know where the fluid tank and motor are located. Previous owner said they were working a month ago so I assume it is something simple. Is there a low oil level cut off? Thanks for you help in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 02/ 28/ 05, 2:52pm

Sounds simplistic but are you sure that the leveling master switch on the dash is on?

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo Wa.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leveling Jacks


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 03/ 1/ 05, 6:27am

I should have read your message more carefully, I see that you had the master switch on. The leveling system motor/hydalic pump is located under/behind the step. It looks like a starter motor. The leveling levers when pushed outboard supply voltage to a solonoid under the step that supplies high current 12 v to the motor.

Steve

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Subject: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Glenn Marvel
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Date Posted: 02/ 27/ 05, 6:37am

I presently drive a 1988 Holiday Rambler 27' class C and am ready to move to a diesel pusher. The SP36 is still a narrow body but will have significantly more room. Would appreciate you sharing insight on the ride and handling of the 36SP and any known problem areas. The power is a 300 hp Cat3208 and I plan to tow a 4500 lb Dodge Dakota.

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 8:57pm

I have a 90 SP that I am crazy about. It rides great and drives excellently. I am as comfortable driving the SP
as I am driving my Lincoln Town Car. I tow a 95 Suziki Sidekick which is lighter than your PU but I forsee no trouble. I get about 6 MPG, according to the weight of the foot, as low as 5.3 above 70 and as high as 6.7 below 60.
Good Luck LT in Eclectic, AL

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[> [> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Glenn Marvel
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 05, 5:47am

Lawrence - Thanks for your post yesterday. Have you experienced or heard of any particular problem areas I should watch out for? Glenn, Salisbury, MD

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Lawrence Thornell
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 05, 8:55pm

I know of no problems common to the SP that is different than any other model, other than oil from the overflow blowing back on the rad. This can be overcome by extending the overflow pipe to the rear bumper or by opening the rad and washing with Simple Green or a like cleaner every few 1000 miles, but is certainly not a serious problem.
LT

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying a 1991 SP36


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 27/ 05, 6:37am

Glenn, I used to tow my Suburban ( 6700 LBS ) behind my 1999 31' Tioga ( gas engine ) class C. Starting out From a stop you could hear the engine labor and also stopping distance was increased quit a bit. On the highway the Suburban would push the motorhome around which would cause a lot of swaying and a unstable feel. I now own a 1983 FC Bluebird with a 3208 225 HP and pull the same Suburban and the Bluebird performs great with none of the previous mentioned problems of the Tioga. So with the SP36 with 300 HP you won't even know your Dakota is back there unless you look at your camera monitor. Most BB can tow 10,000 LBS. with no Problem even though a BB Weighs between 30,000 LBS. and 45,000 LBS.

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Subject: Lost Dip Stick


Author:
Ed Watts
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 2:35pm

I have a 1994 Bluebird BMC with a cummins 300 HP. I lost the oil dip stick. I contacted Cummins in California and they need the part number, which was on the dip stick that was lost. I gave them the serial number, but they sent the wrong part. Now there system is down for a few days and can't seem to help me. Does anyone know this part number? Or who else I can contact to find it or buy the correct dip stick? We just bought the 1994 Bus and are new to Bluebird. So far we love it.

Ed Watts

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[> Subject: Re: Lost Dip Stick


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 02/ 25/ 05, 2:35pm

Have you tried Bluebird. Maybe they can dive you the specs for the dipstick and you could cut one to fit if you can't find the correct one.

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Subject: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
syl guszregan
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 05, 12:14pm

Need to know what type oil is needed in my CLBT 5860
Allison tranny on my drilling rig. Also correct filters for
said tranny. Nothing in all my paperwork. Gus

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 05, 5:24pm

this is a new transmission to me. ???? and in a wanderlodge???

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 3:29am

Why don't you call Allison? If you call them give them more info then you did us!!??

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[> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
syl guszregan
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Date Posted: 02/ 15/ 05, 11:37am

Sam, I don't have Allison's number. Can you please get it for me. Also, I see all your responses to everyones questions, in which i think they're very rude and childlike. What r you 10 years old??? Grow up. Don't respond if you don't know the info instead of responding to us like we're all idiots. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 16/ 05, 5:23am

Syl- are you sure that you are posting to the correct forum? I would send you a private message but you opted to not include that.Thank you

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
Crit
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Date Posted: 02/ 16/ 05, 3:21pm

I dont think Wanderlodge made any drilling rigs, I could be wrong, but that doesnt happen much.

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[> Subject: Re: type oil for clbt 5860 allison


Author:
harvey Lawrence
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Date Posted: 02/ 20/ 05, 12:14pm

I realize you are in need of some info on your drilling rig transmission. The easiest and best way is to go to a large city yellow pages and look up you nearest Detroit/allison dealer. If they can't help you ask for a company number in detroit. Next if you have put a note on this net you obviously have computer net capability. Try www.Detroitdieselallison.com or some varioation thereof.
To all involved, please understand that you are expected to be helpfull on this site, not snide,rude or hateful. If you choose to be that way we would rather you go elsewhere!Although this info request did not involve a Blue Bird, I feel it was ligitmate in nature.

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Subject: Is 7.5 kw diesel generator sufficient for 1980 FC35


Author:
Shawn Fountain
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Date Posted: 02/ 13/ 05, 7:16pm

We are looking at getting a 7.5 kw Onan quiet diesel. We have removed the center AC already. We live in Colorado so we are frequently at 6,000 feet plus. Is the 7.5 kw big enough? Also, the 7.5 kw we are looking at is setup for 120 volt. Is that okay or does the original wiring for the Kohler Perkins assume 220 volt?

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Subject: 1980 wanderlodge dashboard is not complete


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 05, 8:30am

I bought a 1980 wanderlodge about 8 months ago. Always wanted one and had to get one. The bus has a 250 w/turbo and someone has done a lot of work to the bus. The problem is I have no idea of what all the toggle switchs are for. The dash is missing the blue plastic that goes thru the center of the dash. I do not have any paper work on the bus. I took the bus to Colorado on labor day weekend last year and it ran faster than I want to drive it. It pulled Raton Pass about 25 to 30 miles an hour. But, I would like to know more about the switchs on the dash. I'm worried now to drive it very far because none of the gauges seem to work. And the ones that do work I have no idea if they are correct. Is there anyone that can point me in the right direction. Please keep in mind that this is the 1st Bus that I have owned so be nice.... I am located in Decatur Texas and would love to meet some vintage wanderlodge people... Thanks for your time...
Don

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Subject: Shore Power for motorhome


Author:
Bill Murdoch
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 05, 6:19pm

I want to hook-up a recepticle for shore power for a Newmar Kountry Star motorhome with 50amp service--what is the proper proceedure--is it 220 volt or 110 volt?

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[> Subject: Re: Shore Power for motorhome


Author:
Frank
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Date Posted: 02/ 10/ 05, 6:19pm

A 50 amp. power circut is via a cord/receptical that is
powered by two 120vt hot leads and a netural. For this type of wiring, you would need to run from your main electrical panel to the new outlet...not just try to add on to an existing branch circut, due to loads involved. If your not very well grounded in such installations, get it done by electrician.
50 amps allows use of A/C, heaters, etc. Do you need this capability? I park my BB at my house and only need 15amp service as what I need is only for charging batteries, running other minor circuits. For this type of circuit installation, if your handy, it is easy to do and potentially can be added to existing circuit.

Frank
85FC33

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Subject: 6V92 versus 8V92 - Any major differences?


Author:
John Schenck
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 4:39pm

We are in the market for a vintage bird and noticed two Detroit engines used during the years 1986 to 1991. Are there any advantages of one over the other in terms of power and economy? Thanks.

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Subject: Travel-Sat RV Satellite System- Discontinued


Author:
Wayne Owens
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 10:48am

We have a Travel-Sat 1.5 Model 29285 Satellite System but no operating manual. The phone numbers are no longer in service in Palm Desert,California.
Does anyone have any idea who bought out Travel-Sat or where I could get information on this system? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Travel-Sat RV Satellite System- Discontinued


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 05, 10:48am

No

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Subject: floorplans


Author:
steve
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 05, 6:07am

I want to upgrade motorhomes and looking at the FC models but don't know which one I want. Where can I find floorplans for the various lengths and for the SB and RB models to help target my dream bird? Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: floorplans


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 05, 5:46am

Steve
www.wanderlodge.org has some in the files section.
We choose the rear bath FC because it opens up the inside alot, has twin beds but we don't mind.

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[> Subject: Re: floorplans


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 05, 6:07am

If you have kids you won't want them coming back to your bedroom to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, but, if you are old, the big bathroom (rear bathroom is bigger then the side bath ) and twin beds in the rear is the way to go. Rear bath and twins are also a harder resale!

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Subject: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
R. Adams
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:41am

I need a diagram for the installation of a fan belt for a 1991 dodge caravan. automatic with air conditioning. 3.3 motor

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[> Subject: Re: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:37am

Wrong site Idiot!!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1991 Dodge caravam


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 05, 11:41am

Why not try your local Pep Boys, Murrays or the guy at the corner?

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Subject: Sevice Manuel Needed?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 05, 8:22am

My 78 n/a 3208 210 hp has a fuel leak coming from what looks like the fuel transfer pump. Looking for comments on this repair and where I might find a service manuel.
Also thinking of going after the valve trane adjustment.
Thanks Jeff in CA.

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[> Subject: Re: Sevice Manuel Needed?


Author:
Steve Anderson
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 05, 8:22am

For a 78 Coach the fuel transfer pump is probably an undocumented add on. I have heard that replacements are available through NAPA. I think that Facet is a popular brand. You may have to go to a heavy truck truck center to find one that has the same or better fuel flow capacity. You may not find an exact replacement, and may have to adapt.

Steve Anderson
79 FC 35
Poulsbo, Wa.

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Subject: Winter Use


Author:
Greg
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 05, 2:36pm

Considering purchase of a used Bird. How are they in a cold environment? I would like to take winter as well as summer trips.
Greg

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[> Subject: Re: Winter Use


Author:
L. Longcrier
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 05, 2:36pm

At the present time my wife and I are living full time in a FC35. The weather here gets down to freezing and sometimes stays there for weeks. We have insulated the waterlines and filter, and skirted the bus with heavy denim skirting attached with snaps. we keep a 100 watt lightbulb under the waste water tanks, and have had no problems staying warm even on the coldest nights. We took a trip to Denver Colorado during February last year and was quite comfortable the entire trip. Our coach has three propane heaters, and four hot water heaters running off the engine during travel. when in a campground for long periods where we don't want to use our propane, we use an electric oil filled radiator set in front of the doghouse with a small fan behind it. This is enough to keep the coach at 70 to 75 degrees. The thermostats on the propane heaters ar left at 65 degrees, in case of electric failure during the night.
I hope this answers your questions, if you need further information I can be reached on the internet at M1894@AOL.com

Lee L.

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Subject: gas versus diesel


Author:
caroline
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Date Posted: 01/ 17/ 05, 8:33pm

looking to buy in the lower end of the price range (under $40K).

is a gas engine a thing to be avoided? what are the pitfalls?
(i found an otherwise clean and well maintained unit whose only apparent shortcoming is the gas engine and generator)

tia
cc

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Subject: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
Mark
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 05, 6:45am

Im starting to explore older wanderlodges and I find many that are potentially good coaches for good prices. How do I get the coach inspected by a good service man? Many times the coaches that I am interested in are many states away. Any information you can give me would be helpful. Just starting a family and want many years of fun traveling.

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[> Subject: Re: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 05, 5:22pm

Mark, there are lots of folks who are members that could look at a coach for you. Where is the perspective coach located? Ernie

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[> Subject: Re: Im Wanting to buy a older Wanderlodge


Author:
Mark
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 05, 6:45am

Im in Macon,GA do I just look up a user or Service center where ever the coach is. Thanks for your help.

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Subject: Insurance and roadside service programs and the Bluebird


Author:
Michael Maudlin
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 4:19pm

We are purchasing a 1987 40' Bluebird for full time use. Given the nature and age of the coach, and the fairly large number of insurers and roadside assistance providers, does anyone have any specific experience or recommendations for these two areas?

Thanks,

Michael

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[> Subject: Re: Insurance and roadside service programs and the Bluebird


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 01/ 5/ 05, 4:19pm

Hi Michael,

Progressive has a pretty good plan. In PA, runs about $650/yr and has a good towing/emergency service provision. Plus, they will allow you to insure it for an "agreed" value instead of depreciating your coach if there is an accident. All they asked me for was a bill of sale or appraisal to justify the value.

Shane Fedeli
85PT40
Hershey, PA

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Subject: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 05, 11:56pm

I am looking to buy a 1984 35-FC that is out of state and the current owner tells me that it has the origional 3208 NA engine (210 hp). Is this possible? Looks like from what I have read it should be a Turbo 250.

Thanks,

Brandon

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[> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 04, 5:23pm

Brandon, my 84 35 FC had the 250 turbo. I suspect that the coach you are looking at has the same. Where is it located? Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Brandon
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Date Posted: 12/ 21/ 04, 8:01pm

The bus is located in Maine. Seems to me that the 3208NA was not even an option for that year. Owner tells me that it is a "lead sled" but fires off on the first try and runs fine. Is it THAT bad driving the non-turbo? Any other comments would always be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brandon

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 12/ 22/ 04, 8:02am

1982 was the last year for the NA. The 1983 model had the 225 hp turbo. 1984 model 250 hp turbo. Sounds to me like the seller has a model from 1982 or before and thinks it is a 1984 model.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Lucas Willemse
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Date Posted: 12/ 22/ 04, 8:56am

We own a 1980 FC35 that had a 210 NA 3208. It was certainly leisurely driving in any kind of hills. 20MPH second gear with every truck passing us was not unusual. Recently had the engine replaced with a rebuild 250 3208 Turbo. The results are amazing, we now pass trucks going up hills and only shifted into third when I had to slow down for a truck and then passed him. Next we are considering changing the gear ratio in the rear end to a lower ratio to lower the rpm's while cruising.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: 3208 engine model changes


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 05, 11:56pm

Just for reference, my 1980 FC31 w/the original 210 NA will rarely fall below 38 mph even on steep grades; typically someone has slowed me down and I can't regain momentum to accelerate while pulling the upgrade. 1000' to 1500'.

It seems that there was one mountain pass between Kansas and oregon when I was first bringing the coach home that my speed dropped to about 25 mph. But that may be a mental myth because I was dead tired, could easily have been 35 mph insteed. Who knows how high I was (in feet).

High altitude however is different from steep grades. 20 mph speeds on grades make since w/a NA if we're talking a few thousand feet or more.

Set your altimeter to 29.92 inches of mercury to see what altitude your engine thinks it's at. I believe we loose something like 3% engine power per 1000' of climb. This is where turbos shine.

Don

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Subject: New to Wanderlodges any suggestions?


Author:
Scott
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Date Posted: 12/ 28/ 04, 8:24pm

My wife and I are currently owners of an Airstream travel trailer and looking at the possibility of purchasing a 80's Wanderlodge. Growing up traveling each year to Florida, I was amazed when I saw a Bluebird traveling down the road. I said some day I need to get one of those pieces of art on wheels. After traveling 7000 miles last year pulling our Airstream, I thought about looking at the potential of purchasing a vintage Wanderlodge.

Any suggestions on major areas to be aware of when looking to purchase would be greatly appreciated. With minimum research, I am finding pricing to be from the low 20's to the low 100's. Any suggestions on pricing other than the obvious, vehicle condition? How concerned should one be regarding miles?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are just starting our quest.

Thanks again,
Scott
Breckenridge, CO

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Subject: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
Kirk
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 04, 3:29pm

I'm thinking of buying an older, well really old, wanderlodge - 1965. Should I be suspect of the Ford Industrial Engines (Compared to the later diesel engine)? I imagine the diesels last much longer. ANYTHING helps.

Thanks, Kirk

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 12/ 16/ 04, 11:26am

The motor lasted 40 years. Thats not a long time?

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
rich n wanda
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Date Posted: 12/ 17/ 04, 7:38am

We are riding in a 1960 Blue Bird bus conversion with Ford engine and she's still doing fine. We have no idea how many miles on it - as 4th owners we inherited a lot of broken bits including odometer and not much history - unable to contact man who originally did the conversion in the '60's but we love her and intend to keep her going if we can. We would appreciate it if you would share any thing you learn about these old babes and we'll do the same

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[> Subject: Re: I'm thinking of buying an older wanderlodge


Author:
John Alley
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 04, 3:29pm

My "68" is the Ford and from what I hear are very
reliable. The other + is parts are available at most
autoparts for most things that could cause problems.
Gas is cheaper than Diesel too. (really wrong..)
But up hills, I get out front and jog and my wife
drafts me to the top.

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Subject: porch light


Author:
nom descono
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 04, 6:35am

I've replaced the bulbs......and turned on light from the push button.....
Is there a switch inside the coach that turns it on/off? I've tried all the regular fixes.

Nom Descono
'85 FC35
San Diego,County,CA.

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Subject: FC35 Porch light


Author:
Nom Descono
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Date Posted: 12/ 12/ 04, 8:18am

I have a '85 FC35, and I can't get the outside porchlight to work. Maybe I don't even know where the swich is.....

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[> Subject: Re: FC35 Porch light


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 12/ 04, 8:18am

Nom, you may have a burnt out bulb, bad ballast, no electric , and you also may have a push button switch on the base of the unit.

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Subject: Tach sender unit


Author:
Don Meyer
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Date Posted: 12/ 11/ 04, 5:46pm

I have an 86 PT38 with 8V92. My tach sending unit has a broken shaft. Does anyone know where to buy a replacement sending unit. I do not want to replace just the shaft as the sending unit itself is very hard to turn. Probably what caused the shaft to break. Thanks all...

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Subject: general inquiry


Author:
Wanda Bare
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Date Posted: 12/ 8/ 04, 5:27pm

Technically, our 1960 is not a wanderlodge but a schoolbus conversion- done privately by former owner, but we would still like to hear from anyone who can provide us with insight, information or advice. My husband said to tell you that it has a Ford drive train and 5 speed manual transmission. Thanks

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Subject: Rough idle after warm up eventually stalls


Author:
Stan Andersonn / '77 FC31 / Clay , NY
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Date Posted: 12/ 5/ 04, 11:07am

Hi,I have been lurking and learning for quite some time on this site. I own a '77 FC31 which has developed an idle problem 2 or 3 minutes after starting engine. I have very little deisel knowlege but the whole event sounds simular to an older automotive (gas) engine that deisels after engine shut off ending with eventully stalling out. I have it serveced and inspected annually in the spring with a local big rig mechanic so standard filters and such should be up to snuff. The problem started at the end of my return leg of our annual Tennesee trip this summer in wich she would not idle with out tickling the throttle at a stop. My first thought was possiblay bad fuel so have since ran through and refilled with fresh local deisel wich almost seemed to help half way through that tank,but was wishful thinking for as the problem still exist sometimes worse than others. This Bird runs fine going down the road but she dosn't want to idle. Just wondering if this stirs any thoughts of possible diogosis from anyone? Some kind of fuel pressure, governor, ect.

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Subject: Blubird plumbing repair facility in Las Vegas?


Author:
G E Kirby
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Date Posted: 12/ 4/ 04, 2:13pm

I have an '87 40pt with major plumbing problems.
The 'old boy' is stored in Las Vegas but will need to
have service/repair before it can be used. Does anyone
know of a quality repair facility in the Las Vegas area
that would be equippecd to properly work on this unit?
Thanks!

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Subject: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Joe
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:28am

does anyone know where I can find the model 2490 Primus heater for a '93 bird?

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 10/ 15/ 03, 5:56pm

Blue Bird (800/495-7787) has re-acquired access to Primus parts.

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:01am

Primus stuff can be purchased for about half the money direct from the (I believe it is the Swedish) distributor. I am having trouble with my email right now or else I could post the link. BB wanted $102 for an igniter and this link wanted $52 which included shipping. When I get the link I will post it. Also they take credit cards.

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[> Subject: Re: primus propane hot water boiler


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 04, 8:28am

bisk@telia.com is the guy to go to for Primus parts at half the cost of Bluebird

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Subject: BMC vs. Spartan Chassis


Author:
Bill Dalton
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Date Posted: 12/ 2/ 04, 9:23am

I have been looking at 1991-1995 Bluebirds and am wondering if there are substantial differences in these different frames?

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Subject: 120 Volt Extension cord hook-up to chargers


Author:
Richard H. Hayes
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Date Posted: 12/ 2/ 04, 8:35am

read a fix on the site that said you can hook up the battery chargers and inverters to a standard 20 amp extension cord by unplugging the chargers and inverters and plugging into the extension cord. Are these simple plug in devices or are they hard wired?

Thanks

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Subject: STOLEN 1978 FC-33


Author:
Raymond H. Smith, Jr.
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 04, 12:34pm

ALERT...STOLEN FC-33 from shreveport, LA. This bus is painted silver, and has a cantelope sized dent in the upper left rear outside corner of the bus. GA tags (which I doubt are still on the bus) ASB 8151. Vin number 40S46839. Keep you eyes open....I want my bus back!!!!

If you think you've seen it call 478-731-6000, Thanks.

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Subject: Mirrors


Author:
Martha Vaughn
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 04, 7:01pm

Being of the age where mirrors are not my best friend, I want to remove or cover most of the mirrors in our new to us, 1999 BB LXI. I'd like to get rid of the French bordello look and the prisms of light that dance all over the coach during the day and the reflected headlights at night. Does anyone know how the mirrors are attached? Can they be removed without damage to the underlying "whatever." Is it best to remove or cover over? Which is best for the resale value? Any suggestions for covering materials? Also does anyone have any ideas for turning the wine cabinet into something more useful?
Martha and Charlie, owners of "GigaRex

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Subject: Filters


Author:
Dick Sevey
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 04, 5:48am

Can anyone tell me on my 1983 FC 33 if the filter mounted near the right side of the transmission would be for the transmission or one of the fuel filters?

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Subject: Cat 3208 choice


Author:
stephen george
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 04, 1:21am

I'm currently looking for a 31' (or 33') late '70s or early 80's 'Bird ($$ considerations). I also want to be able to tow a car/trailer combination weighing apprx. 6000 lbs with it. My question is whether the NA (210hp) will be able to handle this comfortably (ie. no overheating or 25 mph hills), or should I be directing my search for a T (250hp)? Would the difference in weight from a 31' to a 33' make any difference? I would appreciate any feedback from owners who've had any experience in this area. Thanx in advance.... Steve

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[> Subject: Re: Cat 3208 choice


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 11/ 25/ 04, 9:06am

Hi
Saw your post. We have a 33'82 Wanderlodge for sale. It was my little brother's and he took excellent care of it. It is set up to pull. It is a turbo diesel with around 30K miles, the coach has only 67,000 original miles. Have pics and more info if you are interested. Rose Mary

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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 04, 1:21am

We own an FC-33, 1980, that had been upgraded to a 250 turbo by the former owner, a friend has a 210 FC-33, you would not believe the performance difference. We tow a 10,000lb trailer, no problem. The coach will go 72mph towing or not, she isnt fast, just steady. If you buy a 210 and hate it, you will be faced with the choice of a tough sell or a very expensive upgrade. Happy hunting.

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