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Subject: Re: Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Scott hanstrom (Question)
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Date Posted: 03/ 20/ 16, 8:31am

I have purchased a 1985 bluebird wanderlodge 3208 catapillar. My question is if I remove the panels from the front from the bus will the radar swing open?

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Subject: Re: what is the HSA function on the ISUZU forward juston


Author:
eric owino
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Date Posted: 03/ 3/ 16, 9:25pm

has got two hsa swiches on my dash board one say HSA off and the other says HSA fast and slow whats there functions

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Subject: Re: Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
SHAWN MORRIS (HAPPY)
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Date Posted: 08/ 10/ 15, 10:14am

I NEED TO FIND PARTS PRICES FOR THE 2003 40 FT BLUEBIRD ALL FRT END PARTS PRICES WHERE DO I LOOK

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Subject: Re: Fasco Heater fan motor replacement


Author:
Theresa Aland
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Date Posted: 07/ 11/ 15, 1:18pm

Thanks Bob, I am so sorry for not checking back after I posted the question, it was not a hurry-up and fix thing so I forgot to check back. Thanks again and i will look at grainger to see what they have.....What is the part number for the motor you used?

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Subject: Re: Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Jim Mick
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Date Posted: 06/ 30/ 15, 3:52pm

I have a 2001 Bluebird Wanderlodge with two slides. I'm currently traveling and am set up in an RV park near Boise Idaho. A few days ago the air seals surrounding the extended rooms slowly deflated. I activated the auxiliary air compressor, fired up the engine , building up the coach air and made sure the 12 volt compressor is operating properly. No luck! There has to be an air leak someplace but where do I begin searching. The dealers I've checked with here in the Bouse area are reluctant to work on it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jim

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Subject: Detroit Diesel DDEC 1 88WB 40


Author:
Stan Doyle
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 14, 7:50pm

Need any and all information. The 8V92 runs great, until a week ago we started to Fl. at 45 miles into the trip the engine just stopped. with no alarms. It starts win cold and will run for 20 to 25 miles and stop wait 20 to 30 mins it starts runs. We have tested all of the senders cooling, oil, fuel and check ok. The ECM seems to stops fuel at that point. engine cranks but will not start. Have been checking on this for 4 days and found anything that fix.

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Subject: Re: Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Mack Zito (happy but confused!)
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 13, 10:08am

Cant get water from tank or city water into tank. Any thoughts?

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Subject: Help needed near Dallas, Texas


Author:
Markus
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Date Posted: 07/ 26/ 09, 4:57pm

Anybody in or around Dallas, TX? I have an RV I need someone to check out for me in Palestine. Thanks!

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[> Subject: Re: Help needed near Dallas, Texas


Author:
Bill Sutton
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Date Posted: 05/ 27/ 13, 9:52pm

I can help you with your BB, I have a 82,FC,33' and I am a vary good Mechanic, you can call me at 903-931-1579, Im close to DFW airport, call me 24/7.

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Subject: Re: Questions on Detroit Diesels


Author:
Neil
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Date Posted: 05/ 21/ 13, 9:14pm

What is the Max EGT temp, with pyrometer probe after the turbo, on a Detroit 8V92 TI in a marine application.

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[> Subject: Re: Questions on Detroit Diesels


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 13, 7:15pm

marine-who knows? this is a motorhome forum-

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Subject: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Beth
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Date Posted: 05/ 15/ 13, 10:45am

I have a 1988 Bluebird Wanderlodge with a working musical horn. I'm wondering if anyone would have the 100 programmed song list? Thanks for any assistance.

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[> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 11/ 22/ 10, 8:10am

Beth, If the horn was never re-programmed you may be able to get a list from the mfg. Here is a link to their website and contact information.

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/horn.html

I had one in a '90 without a list and used the quiet South Carolina Interstate to play all songs, several times in some cases, to make a list the hard way! PMMI can also re-programm the horn from a list of thousands of songs uou get to choose from.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Beth
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Date Posted: 11/ 22/ 10, 3:59pm

Thank You very much. I did as suggested last night and already received a reply with the list of songs. Beth

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[> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Max Hubrich (hit western)
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 11, 6:50pm

Anyone know where I can buy a used PMMI ultimate horn set?

Thanks,

Max H

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[> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
JOE SPARROW (HORN)
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Date Posted: 05/ 29/ 11, 11:24pm

I HAVE THE HORN OUT OF 2006 BB THAT I WILL SELL

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Larry
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 11, 2:09pm

Do you still have it? Pls. call Larry 262-366-1528 or e-mail Thank you! Larry

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[> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Michelle
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Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 11, 9:24pm

Hi Max!
I have a "Ultimate Horn " set from PMMI - if you are still in need of one let me know ! Thanks, Michelle 585-451-1894

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Fred Hulse
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Date Posted: 10/ 31/ 11, 7:59pm

Michelle
I may have a buyer for your horn......price?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Orvar
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Date Posted: 11/ 27/ 11, 11:49am

Have you sold the musical horn set? If not, how much are you asking for it?
Thanks, Orvar

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[> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Ted Kern
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 12, 6:23pm

Stumbled upon this forum while searching for the ultimate horn. If anyone still has one I would be interested in purchasing it. Please email me at kerntw@hotmail.com.

Thanks

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[> [> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
elle gould (yikes)
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Date Posted: 05/ 15/ 13, 10:45am

I also want to get an ultimate horn. Have your found more than one? Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 11, 5:51am

Beth, I have a narrow body 88 PT40. There were a dozen built and was wondering if yours is a narrow or wide body? Thanks, Ernie 88PT40 narrow, concept coach

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[> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Repoer
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/ 12, 3:05pm

I got the list

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[> Subject: Re: Musical Horn Song List


Author:
Jane Winborne
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 12, 5:09am

Hello- I am trying to contact PMMI to repair my Ultimate Horn AND get the song list. I referred to the posts above (dated 2010) and cannot get throught the links listed. Does anyone have more current info? I moved the horn from one vehicle to another and now the sound is off and the music order is wrong. HELP! We love our horn with 99 songs

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Subject: Re: Questions on Detroit Diesels


Author:
Grant Chappell (Sad)
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Date Posted: 04/ 28/ 13, 2:28am

I have a 6v92 550 hp Detroit in my boat it has a problem at 1500rpm the rev counter drops of and power stops no problem at 1400 rpm however 1500 no more power big puff of black smoke if I leave the throttle at 1500 rev counter goes back to zero than back up to 1500 then to zero can you please help diagnose what might be wrong

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Subject: tachometer trouble shooting please????


Author:
Michelle
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Date Posted: 04/ 16/ 13, 11:34am

Can anyone tell me where I would begin to locate the source of power to the tachometer? Is it supplied by the motor, or transmission maybe? I have a 1998 450 Cummings, Bluebird Wonderlodge Motorhome. Tachometer is not working, and need to track down source of power to check if tach. is broke or wireing problem? Also if it is the tachometer, where would I be able to find a replacement one?

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Subject: 1979 electrical skimatic


Author:
Bruce Helsing (Happy)
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Date Posted: 03/ 27/ 13, 2:54pm

We are looking for the electrical Skimatics on our 1979 Wanderlodge. Not sure where to look at. Have had our Wanderlodge for many years and we drive it alot( all the time)and am in need of electrcal skimatics. If anyone could help , it would be greatly appreciated.

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Subject: Towing Capacity?


Author:
Mike Monroe (Adventurist)
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Date Posted: 12/ 24/ 12, 4:03pm

We travel around the country doing various shows. We currently have a 26' straight truck that carries our portable kitchen and equipment. We are tired of roughing it. We need a diesel pusher that can pull a 10K GVWR trailer. I found this Website and am falling in love with the Birds. Would someone mind taking a look at the sticker on their Bird and tell me the GVWR and the GCWR. I have searched the internet but not finding those specs anywhere. Thank you in advance for the info.

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[> Subject: Re: Towing Capacity?


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 12, 3:31pm

Mike, our coaches can tow 10,000 pounds, easily

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Subject: Wanderlodge Nada Values?


Author:
Al Elliott
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Date Posted: 12/ 18/ 12, 6:08pm

Hi All,I have been researching Motor coaches etc. for some time now,must have looked at thousands of adds by now.Can't believe how many there are out there for sale.So anyway,would like very much to own one(with the bank of course) and this brings to the forefront a question involving book value. I looked into NADA and was amazed beyond words to see what they had valued rv's,can this be true? I see on your claasified some real fine pieces of equipment,but looking at NADA a 35,000.00 wanderlodge is only worth 2000.00 tops. Whats up with that? How does anyone ever finance?

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge Nada Values?


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 12, 12:43pm

I always tell people that diesel is the cheapest part of ownership, so be prepared for large repair bills if you do not do your own work. Banks, for the most part, know this too and have found out over the past 7 years that people will quickly walk away from a home once they are upside down in the value. The same is true of RV's. A luxury item is not normally finanaced- most ususally pay cash or have a cheap source like a HELOC.

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Subject: Electric operated hot water valve to heat/cool coach


Author:
Ted N. Teague
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Date Posted: 12/ 13/ 12, 3:32pm

1989 40 ft diesel pusher (Humdinger) needing help to find a replacement for the cooling/heating rheostat for the coach. Also, electric operated hot water valve. The rheostat board has evidently burned and is causing the auxiliary water pump for the hot water heaters to operate intermitently.

Any suggestions? Email me and I will give you phone number.

Thanks for the help.

Ted

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[> Subject: Re: Electric operated hot water valve to heat/cool coach


Author:
Bob Loomas
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Date Posted: 12/ 15/ 12, 3:03pm

Ted You may want to ask this question on the WOG fourm
http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/
Bob Loomas

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Subject: 1964 Wanderlodge igniton wiring diagrm needed


Author:
Robert Ettleman (HELP!)
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Date Posted: 10/ 8/ 12, 11:23am

Relative messed with the ignition wiring on the ole 64' Bluebird Wanderlodge and now motor will not start. Does anyone have a wiring diagram or at minimum an ignition wiring diagram? Family just sold the proeprty and we must move, and would rather drive off in style than have it towed. Please help!

Thanks in advance for any advice etc.

Rob in despair.....

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Subject: Front HWH Jacks


Author:
John B
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Date Posted: 09/ 17/ 12, 12:03pm

HWH organization charges almost $900 to build a replacement drop down front hydralic jack for a BB MH. Don't buy into their ripoff. Use a piece of wood to help level. Does anyone know who else makes replacement jacks?

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[> Subject: Re: Front HWH Jacks


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 12, 7:00am

John- If you can remove the jack yourself, take it to a hydraulic repair shop and see what they can do for you. In all honesty, a $900 jack should last 30 years; a $600 tire only lasts 7. Their price does not seem too bad to me. Try the hydraulic shop and see what they say. We'd all like to know.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Front HWH Jacks


Author:
John B
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Date Posted: 09/ 17/ 12, 12:03pm

Jack was to far destroyed to be rebuilt. Pieces of metal from the small chamber made their way into larger chamber.

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Subject: 1990 bird


Author:
Joey
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 12, 5:14pm

thanking about tradeing it in ,but i know i want get anything for it

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[> Subject: Re: 1990 bird


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 12, 4:04pm

Joey-whats up? talk to us

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[> Subject: Re: 1990 bird


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 12, 5:14pm

whatever~

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Subject: Renovate and update


Author:
John Walton
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Date Posted: 08/ 10/ 12, 9:26pm

Does anyone have a sterling reputation for renovating and updating these Wanderlodges. I have a 93 with 38k miles but could benefit from a major update in tech, style and comfort

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[> Subject: Re: Renovate and update


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 13/ 12, 5:26am

There are a number of custom coach facilities in FL, San Diego and the Pac Northwest that would be a good "one-stop shop", but you will pay a premium for that convenience. Coachworx in Clearwater, FL does a great job with cabinetry and structural upgrades to the interior. Ernie Eckberg, an owner from TX, does beautiful work on floors. Seguin Diesel in TX is a great source for mechanical issues on the Engine and Powertrain. Muriel's Upholstery in Fort Valley, GA does couches, chairs and interior upholstery.

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Subject: Front Level Jacks


Author:
Danny
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 12, 5:52am

Does anyone know where to get a replacement front level jack for an 87 pt? One place in the east will make a new one but the cost is about $1,000.

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[> Subject: Re: Front Level Jacks


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 12, 4:42pm

Is your broke, damaged or leaking? All can be repaired. Send it to HWH- save some bucks

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[> [> Subject: Re: Front Level Jacks


Author:
Danny
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Date Posted: 08/ 9/ 12, 5:52am

Thanks. Little cylinder that drops jack down had internal parts that broke and went inside larger cylinder and did much damage.

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Subject: Progressive Dynamics out of business?


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 08/ 5/ 12, 5:21pm

I bought a refurb battery charger from Progressive Dynamics, one of their intellicharges, and the unit failed while still under warranty. Over the last week, I have sent 4 e mails to what is reported to be their customer service and warranty contact address, and I have not heard back. Certainly no reputable company that is still in business would fail to answer an e mail after a week. They must have gone out of business, does anyone know if they were bought out, or maybe just shut down and went bankrupt?

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[> Subject: Re: Progressive Dynamics out of business?


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 7/ 12, 7:23pm

Stu- I hate to say it, but they've always been a little shady when it came to straight answers. You'd be much better off with a Magnum or Xantrex 3-stage charger. They cost more, but will not ruin your batteries OR leave them undercharged. The "Charge Wizard" pendant will not deliver more than 13.8 volts and just can not deliver a good bulk or equalization charge.

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Subject: for sale


Author:
Joey
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 12, 10:20am

1990 40' bird 153000 miles,needs new floors

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[> Subject: Re: for sale


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 25/ 12, 4:32pm

any more info? don't be shy

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Subject: Covers


Author:
Smitty
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Date Posted: 07/ 11/ 12, 5:41pm

Has anyone had any luck with an rv cover for their bird? I hate to buy one and have to replace it every couple of years and I can't afford to build a cover yet. Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Covers


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 8/ 12, 4:30pm

most of those I have seen will kill your paint. I would pass.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Covers


Author:
Smitty
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 12, 6:41am

How so? Does the canvas trap condensation? Curious. Thanks.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Covers


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 11/ 12, 5:41pm

wind currents and chafing.

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Subject: Floor plans


Author:
Mike Williams (Hopeful)
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 12, 4:26pm

Fell in love with a 42-foot 1989 Wanderlodge @ Good Sam rally in Phoenix this year, decided we're getting one, but don't know which model or year. Is there anywhere online that has floor plans?? I tried WOG website & buy bye Bluebird site, good photos but no floor plans. Alternatively, are there ant Bird rallies in Western US where we could walk trough a few?
Thanks for any replies,

Mike

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[> Subject: Re: Floor plans


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 12, 6:35pm

Well, you are not going to find an 89 with a 42 foot length. Its' 40 foot

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Subject: Interior heights


Author:
David Lininger
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Date Posted: 06/ 29/ 12, 5:48pm

Could someone measure the minimum interior height on a PT and SP, please? I'm guessing that underneath an a/c unit would be the lowest point, but if there is a lower spot I'd like to know about it.

Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Interior heights


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 3/ 12, 3:00pm

73" to the bottom of my A/C - this is on the narrow PT SP would be different

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Subject: PT 3903


Author:
Chris Arnold
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Date Posted: 06/ 22/ 12, 6:21am

BB Wanderlodge SN: 11701 Body # 37736
Anyone know what year this is?

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[> Subject: Re: PT 3903


Author:
chris arnold
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Date Posted: 06/ 21/ 12, 6:00am

where would i find a vin plate on a wanderlodge

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[> [> Subject: Re: PT 3903


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 06/ 22/ 12, 6:21am

look up by your sun visor- there is a plate there with info

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Subject: Air Compressor Blowing Oil


Author:
Joe Cich
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 12, 11:38am

We have a 1985 FC31, with the CAT 3208 turbo diesel. The air compressor is blowing oil and needs to be either replaced or remanufactured. I think I have all the original manuals, but nothing identifies the air compressor. Does anyone know the Bendix model number for the air compressor? And where to obtain a remanufactured unit? Thanks Joe

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[> Subject: Re: Air Compressor Blowing Oil


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 16/ 12, 8:00am

The compressor is a Bendix TuFlo 501, which is built in many different configuations for various vehicles.
A good source for technical information & part numbers.

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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Subject: The Music stopped


Author:
Dan Baker
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Date Posted: 03/ 27/ 12, 5:21pm

My musical system stopped on my 86 pt. Does anyone know where a fuse might be for this system?

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[> Subject: Re: The Music stopped


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 10/ 12, 2:51am

Do you mean the stereo system or the musical horns? If you are speaking of the musical horns, then check to make sure that the grey ribbon cable is fully seated in the module. You can find it behind the front, passenger side access panel above the headlights on the coach. It is usually attached to the bottom side of the dash in that compartment. The power to the unit originates in the upper, right front load center above the couch. Breaker #11. It should have a brown and green wire that goes up to the front of the coach from there. The wire goes through a round, cannon plug that is hidden behind the back of the storage compartment. Remove the phillips head screws and the panel should lift out of the overhead cabinet. You will be able to see the connector behind it.

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[> [> Subject: Re: The Music stopped


Author:
Dan (Music and lights)
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Date Posted: 03/ 26/ 12, 5:45am

I have looked at all fuses and wiring. I have also noticed the lights in the storage compartments have all stopped working. This one is a real puzzle to me. Any more thoughts?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: The Music stopped


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 27/ 12, 5:21pm

Dan- the lights in the compartments are controlled by a switch in the upper left corner of the dash under the steering wheel. I think it says "Comp Light Master". Make sure it's switched to the left. Have you checked for voltage at the circuit breaker that I indicated?

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Subject: New to Birds


Author:
David
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 12, 10:10pm

From searching all the old postings, not much is said about the late 60's and early 70's 31FC. Am I in the wrong place? I like old things, and trying to make them shine again. A 1966 will turn 50 soon (less than 4 years). Who is the guy to ask questions about these years/models?

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[> Subject: Re: New to Birds


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 02/ 22/ 12, 7:41am

Try the History on this site, or there may be more info at,

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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Subject: 1988 8v92 DDEC system


Author:
Paul and Judy Williams (SeekingOz)
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Date Posted: 01/ 28/ 12, 2:43pm

Hello all.

My wife and I bought a 1988 25th Silver Anniversary Rig. We are having problems with the DDEC-1. Even before I have picked up the rig, I got a check engine light and intermittent fast idle. The DDEC codes are saying the injectors are suspect. The coach has been at the Detroit engine shop for 8 working days. They seem to have no clue as to what is causing the problem. They don't even have the books for this system.
Called the engine builder in Detroit and they also have no clue. Called Bluebird and got the same.
My Question. Do any of you Guru's have experience with the DDEC 1? If so may I trouble you to call me or I call you?
(619)582-5467. I haven't even been able to drive off the lot cause I am taking delivery out of California state. Being full time and with no other home but the rig is getting frustrating.
Please ... HELP!!!

Thanks in advance.
Paul&Judy Williams
88 XXV 40' (SeekingOz)

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[> Subject: Re: Check engine lights


Author:
John O. Rud
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Date Posted: 04/ 5/ 02, 12:43pm

I have a 1988 BB with the 8v92 engine. The check engine light came on intermittent for over 18 months. I had it checked out in at least 8 different DD shops. Finally, a mechanic in Williams Detroit Diesel in Phoenix suggested new ground cables from the starter to the engine, engine to the frame, radiator water tank to the frame (2 ground wires now installed. Since this work was done I have no check engine faults on the computor readings, no check engine lites. I believe this has cured the check engine lite problem.

John Rud
88 wanderlodge

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[> Subject: Re: 1988 8v92 DDEC system


Author:
Mike McMahan
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Date Posted: 04/ 14/ 02, 6:30pm

Paul, My 89 pt 40 did the same thing. Showed various codes low coolant, bad injector, etc. After a week in the Detroit shop they told me it was a phantom signal, probably caused by a bad ground. I diconnected the check engine light and don't worry about it. The engine warning light and the engine shut off in the event of a failure still function. I just watch the gauges. Mike McMahan

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[> Subject: Re: 1988 8v92 DDEC system


Author:
John Froelich
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Date Posted: 01/ 28/ 12, 2:43pm

Paul; I also have an '88 WanderLodge XXV. And, the check engine light has been a problem. I pulled out of the previous owners drive, drove maybe 100 miles and the light went on. As well, I spent many days at a DD shop. They swaped out parts, etc. Believe it or not, through nothing that they did, the light went out. Mine was reading low coolant which is a common code. When I bought the coach it had 21,600 miles on it. I'd make sure you have oil and coolant, and head out.

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Subject: SHOULD I BUY


Author:
MIKE WATKINS
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 12, 1:55pm

I found a 1968 wanderlodge restored,he has a letter from bluebird that says it worth 30,000.00 in 2001 since then its been repainted the inside is near perfect. asking price is 22,000. I really want it but I'm hesitant

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[> Subject: Re: SHOULD I BUY


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 01/ 28/ 12, 5:18am

way over priced. it may have lots wrong with it. you need to have someone who knows a lot about these check it out. go to Buy bye bluebird website, then sign up to the discussion forum and start asking questions. these guys know more about Wonderlodges then anyone around, period.

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Subject: Wanderlodge Drapery Motor Drive Assembly


Author:
Bill Lardin (Lardin)
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 12, 6:17am

88 Wide Body Wanderlodge PT 40 with electric drape control. Front left drape was slowly failing even though motor sounds were normal. I helped it a little too much and the cord departed from the drive wheel and ended up down below the light box. I fished it back up but cannot fathom how to replace it on the drive wheel (hope to find a new one). Does anyone have any experience with these gadgets. Perhaps a trick or procedute to re-rig the things.

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge Drapery Motor Drive Assembly


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 12, 4:07am

try this web site, they may have a drawing of the rope/cord path.
Sometimes the rubber wheels are warn & need replaced.

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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[> Subject: Re: Wanderlodge Drapery Motor Drive Assembly


Author:
ed cobb
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 12, 6:17am

Give me a call. 205-420-8832

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Subject: reset computer on series 60 detroit manually


Author:
eulos (sad eulos)
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 12, 8:59am

how to reset series 60 detroit computer manually .

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[> Subject: Re: reset computer on series 60 detroit manually


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 13/ 12, 4:11am

It should reset automatically with ignition off.
Depending on the problem try a full battery disconnect, or a DD dealer

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Subject: switches under driver's window?


Author:
Mike Emenhiser
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Date Posted: 12/ 18/ 11, 9:56am

I have a few switches that I can't figure out what the do.
There is 2 side by side switches beside the driver's seat under the window. And one above the toilet that says bilge,
that is a lighted rocker switch. Our bird is a 1978 fc33
rear bath diesel. Any info would be great. We have had our
wanderlodge for about 2 years and we love it.

Thanks, Mike

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Subject: Bill Lynch


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 11, 6:00am

While cleaning in the front cabinet I found Bill Lynchs'- the PO of my coach, his badge that denotes being a VB member of the 100,000 mile club. Does anyone have a current address? They sent me some things for the coach, but I thru their return address away. Thanks, Ernie

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[> Subject: Re: Bill Lynch


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 11, 4:20am

Ernie- their LKA is 3700 S. Westport Ave, #989; Sioux Falls, SD, 57106. I show a cell phone number of 843-422-0603.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bill Lynch


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 11, 6:00am

Thanks Shane, Bob Loomas gave me their email, also

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Subject: alternator


Author:
linda funkhouser (hopeful)
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Date Posted: 12/ 11/ 11, 5:04pm

where can i find an alternator for my 1975 wanderlodge

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[> Subject: Re: alternator


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 13/ 11, 12:27am

Linda- you can find them at most Freightliner parts counters. I am not sure where you live, but most larger towns have a professional shop that rebuilds and sells all types of motors and alternators for commercial vehicles and buses. Once you get it removed, it's usually pretty easy to source a new one at a shop like I'm describing.

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Subject: Financing


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 11, 2:44pm

Has or will anyone consider owner financing to help sell their rig? I have a decent downpayment but its impossible to get any bank help on any motorhome, much less a 25 year old motorhome.

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[> Subject: Re: Financing


Author:
Shane
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Date Posted: 11/ 7/ 11, 4:31am

Rick- after owning a Wanderlodge for 6 years, one thing has become clear- you need at least 10K per year set aside for maintenance and upkeep. Tires, A/C's, Generators and other unplanned maintenance items can eat up a ton of $$ in a short amount of time. Quite frankly, if you need to borrow a substantial sum and/or don't have enough equity available in a home or other real property, you might not want to consider buying a coach. It'll eat up all of your available reserves in a hurry.
That being said, failure to maintain the coach will lead to more headaches that would quickly outweigh the residual asset value of the coach to the point where an owner who has financed the deal wouldn't have anything of value left should the purchaser decide to stop making payments.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Financing


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 11, 11:04am

I was thinking about those unexpected maintenance issues and thought that maybe if someone is motivated to sell their rig that they have not been able to sell, would consider financing 50% . That would allow me to maintain a reserve. As I still work and travel across the country seasonally for my work, I am exploring the Idea of living full time on the road so to speak. I am a bit concerned about a 20 year old rig holding up another 10 or 15 years of full time use and the cost associated. My goal is to minimize living expenses in order to maximize retirement savings. Residual value aside, if you can't sell it, does it have any value?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Financing


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 11, 2:44pm

I found a 1967 coach that was practically free. The guy wanted $850 for the coach and it was drivable! When I added up the cost of restoration and updating, I figured around $24000 is what it would take to get it road-ready. If I were to offer it for sale, I'd be lucky to get $10K for the restored coach. For the most part, owning these older coaches is a "labor of love" and you're in negative territory once the maintenance items fall by the wayside. If you are able to do most of the maintenance and heavy chassis work on your own, then the costs of ownership are reduced substantially. If you can swing it, pay cash. Don't finance the purchase of one unless you already have the cash value of the coach in the bank and are just choosing to use OPM as a matter of convenience.

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Subject: Kohler generator set


Author:
Douglas McCarron
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 11, 4:03pm

I am looking at a 1983 Bluebird Wander-lodge FC35SB it is definitely worn and has seen better days. The generator set Kohler 7.5c21 or 7.5c61 has a blown motor (ie half dollar whole in the side of the oil pan) looking to replace the motor. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: Kohler generator set


Author:
Rick (engine)
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Date Posted: 09/ 26/ 11, 5:47pm

have three units sorting them out now still need engine?

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[> Subject: Re: Kohler generator set


Author:
bryce broadwater
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 11, 4:03pm

have a 7.5c61 generator dont know a lot about them but willing to part with.

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Subject: Looking


Author:
Rick
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 11, 4:22pm

I've been watching the add's on here for some time now and I was wondering if they are all still for sale? I am looking for the best deal I can find of course, on a mid to late 80's 36 to 40 footer. I notice rigs that have been on here a long time don't seem to sell or move in price. I can't get motivated to spend more than 30 grand for a 25 year old rig that I may never be able to resale if needed. If anyone is seriously motivated to sell and has what I'm looking for, please reply.

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[> Subject: Re: Looking


Author:
eric (i possibly have what you want)
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Date Posted: 10/ 18/ 11, 7:29am

hey i read your add and i am a motivated seller, i own a 1988 pt 40, i am the third owner, it has been completely renovated in 2002, by the second owner.
this coach is in immaculate condition and is located in champaign ill.
it is two tone blue and silver, has three cruise air units and 10 newer tires, runs and looks like new. the new exterior paint alone cost over $10,000.
i need to sell my baby so my daughter can finish medical school.
i have lots of pictures and have all of the documentation from the day it was new. the cost on the remodel was over $100,000.00
if you are interested contact me and i will gladly see if i can assist you.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Looking


Author:
Rick Mann
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 11, 3:48am

Hi I just saw your response to my post. I am interested in your bus, would you email me details and pictures? Thanks..Rick

lamanw@yahoo.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: Looking


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 10/ 24/ 11, 4:22pm

you have 10 tires-- 2 on the roof???????????

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Subject: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
STEVE
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 11, 3:16pm

HI ALL
3/14/5

I AM LOOKING TO BUY A BIRD LATE 70'S TO MIDDLE 80'S.I have a 1978 GMC 23ft Birchaven for sale or trade. Would like to find a unit in the Northwest, Montana, Wash Or Org.
Thanks
Steve
mr34@pipeline.com

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[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Rose Mary
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Date Posted: 04/ 16/ 05, 1:04pm

Hi Steve,
We have an 82 FC 33, side bath.
It belonged to my little brother who lost his life last summer. He took excellent care of his bird. We have used it a couple times and everything except cruise control seems to work great. Like it more all the time. We have been waffling about what to do. We will use it as time allows until we find a home for it. It has a low mile (67,000) 3208 turbo, allison transmission and pretty much all the bells and whistles, including a Jacobs electric brake retarder which is great. I just had all the fluids dropped and replaced, trans, oil, rearend. Has good rubber. In fine overall condition.
If you are interested in more info email or phone 541 679-6901
Rose Mary
Oregon

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[> [> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
steve
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Date Posted: 04/ 22/ 05, 4:40am

Hi Rose

Thanks for the reply. I am interested.Could you e-mail me some pictures and more details. Where in Oregon are you located and what is the askin price? I might try and call you later on today.

Thanks
Steve
Mr34@pipeline.com

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[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Vic. Orvis
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Date Posted: 05/ 19/ 09, 10:46am

I would like to see some pictures of your GMC and have some questions. Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
tony Wightman
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Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 09, 6:16pm

i am looking for a side bath birchaven. please let me know if you have a side bath model. IF IT IS.... please send photos and information.
thanks

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[> [> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Doug Doyle
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Date Posted: 11/ 13/ 09, 9:05pm

I have a 83 PT-40 for sale located in Brookings,Oregon. (exstreme SW corner on US 101) Info and photos on Craigslist posting # 1443445607. Thanks, Doug Doyle

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[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Doug Doyle
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Date Posted: 11/ 13/ 09, 9:01pm

I have a 83 PT-40 located in Brookings, Oregon (extreme SW corner of state on US 101. Info and photos on Craigslist posting # 1443345607. Thanks, Doug Doyle

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[> [> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Jim
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 09, 11:10pm

Do you still have the bird for sale?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Doug Doyle
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:09pm

Sorry for the delay--Coach is still for sale-Price reduced to $37.5 Doug

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[> Subject: Re: WANTED BIRD IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTRY


Author:
Stephen Whalen
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 11, 3:16pm

Greetings;
...Is your GMC 23' Birchaven still for sale...?

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Subject: Driver and co-pilot heated air


Author:
Chuck Smith
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Date Posted: 09/ 15/ 11, 5:53am

Our new Bird, a 1991 SP 36, does not blow heated air through the driver/co-pilot vents. The AC does work properly. Seller had never used cabin heat, suggested a valve in the engine area needs to be opened. Manual offers no help that I can find. Any suggestions?

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Subject: HWH Levelers Issue


Author:
Carl Exner
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Date Posted: 09/ 7/ 11, 6:50pm

Have leaking rear leveler (Fluid runs down shaft under load) and factory said they were not field serviceable.......... Any suggestions from the braintrusts here?

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[> Subject: Re: HWH Levelers Issue


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 11, 4:39am

Carl- If you can remove the leveler on your own, take it to a hydraulic repair shop. It probably just needs to have new shaft seals installed. HWH has always assured me that they will repair anything that has ever been manufactured by their facility in Moscow, Iowa. If you are within a few hundred miles of there, I'd drive over and let them go over the system. Their labor has always been very reasonable and there are several campsites with hookups on the premises.

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[> [> Subject: Re: HWH Levelers Issue


Author:
Carl Exner
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Date Posted: 09/ 4/ 11, 10:29am

Shane, Thanks for the response. I have called them and they have told me that they are NOT field serviceable but I highly doubt that there is some magical potion they control.. Seems to be just a simple hydraulic cylinder etc. I live in NC some going there is not likely to happen until next trip west. I read on this site about a bird owner who did service his own and downloaded his instructions.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: HWH Levelers Issue


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 7/ 11, 6:50pm

Carl- you're right. A good shop can rebuild it. It won't be a pretty as HWH, but probably alot cheaper since shipping a 80# chunk of metal can't be all that cheap- and it will leak ATF all over the package!

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Subject: HARVEY @ VINTAGE BIRDS @LOOKING BK.IN STYLE


Author:
CJ BERGE (HOPEFULL)
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 11, 8:59pm

HOW DO I REACH HARVEY @ VINTAGE BIRDS, LOOKING BACK IN STYLE AS I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS RE THE RCA BK UP CAMERAS.
THANKZ
CJ

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[> Subject: Re: HARVEY @ VINTAGE BIRDS @LOOKING BK.IN STYLE


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 2/ 11, 4:36am

Give me a call- 717-645-4912. I can answer most of your questions. My coach is an '85 and I redid the monitor and camera on mine a few years ago. The old Coax and RCA cabling is just fine. You simply need a few adapters to make it work. They are available at most Radio Shack stores.

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Subject: Backup Camera


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 08/ 2/ 01, 2:39pm

Chuck the old RCA camera and go with a new camera and lens. I replaced my camera with an Ultrak KC4500MN with a Pentax/Conica wide angle 4.0mm lens at F1:2 with Auto Iris. Be sure to specify the 12 volt DC model. This is a direct bolt in, direct plug in replacement for the RCA. However, the picture on the monitor will be reversed left to right because the new camera has the picture corrected left to right but the old RCA did not. You can correct the picture with two 30 amp. Bosh relays which reverses the signal to the left/right yokes on the TV when the ignition is on. Cost is about $450 for camera and lens and the picture is brillant.

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[> Subject: Re: Backup Camera


Author:
CJ BERGE (hopeful)
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 11, 8:54pm

Bob, what was your source for the replacement camera, and was your wiring compatible. I was told by Foretrave service mgr. the WHOLE existing RCA wiring system was not compatible with any other camera and would cost $2600. to install new system.
CJ

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Subject: Rear view camera


Author:
Bob Dilks
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 01, 6:38pm

Birders with mid 1980's coaches needing rear view camera solutions owe a debt or gratitude to Harvey Lawrence who has tracked down a reasonably priced camera and lens that is a direct replacement for the original RCA 2055CS. See "Looking Back In Style" in Harvey's column "Harvey" at the Vintage Birds home page for model numbers and prices. Harvey has done the kind of investigative work we should expect from the factory who should recognize a vested interest in supporting replacement engineering for their legacy product. Harvey, your next assignment, should you decide to accept it, is to find a reasonably priced AC/DC plazma TV to replace the front TV on pre 1986 coaches.

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[> Subject: Re: Rear view camera


Author:
CJ Berge (blue in my 1988 FG)
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Date Posted: 09/ 1/ 11, 8:40pm

I TOO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY RCA 2055CS SEPT 2011. SO HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND THIS INFO AFTER GOOGLEING HELP!!!
THANKZ
CJ

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Subject: Radiator Cooling Fan Air Clutch Problems


Author:
Joe Quinn
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Date Posted: 08/ 31/ 11, 1:22pm

Radiator Cooling Fan Air Clutch Problems:
1988 FCF 35

Air clutch engages at any temp.
Before reaching normal temp. runs constant on/off cycling.
Once it reaches normal turn on temp 195 degrees, comes on & shuts off as normal,
then starts to cycle again.
Also constantly discharging thru dump valve when in cycling mode.
Where is temp sender located, in radiator?
Problem with sender or solonoid or both?

Also looking for a diagram of this system.

Thanks for any help.
Joe

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Subject: Generator info


Author:
Ron
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Date Posted: 08/ 19/ 11, 3:11pm

Have a 1982 31 ft. Bird w. a 4-cyl. Kohler generator. Fairly certain it needs carburetor work (not having run it in 5 years and probably gunk and scale in the tank). Need someone with the same setup as my motor serial numbers have nearly disappeared over the years from that little sticky-backed semi metallic tag on the front of the block. Carb shop can't get a kit without motor numbers. The casting # on the block is 240904. Thanks

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Subject: Finding a BB


Author:
Paul
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 11, 11:21am

How do I find a clean, properly maintained, everything working, and properly priced BB for a first time owner with a budget of 80-85K?

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[> Subject: Re: Finding a BB


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 11, 11:19am

Rare to have everything working. Suggest Byebuybluebird.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: Finding a BB


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 08/ 15/ 11, 11:21am

buybyebluebird.com

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Subject: front air springs


Author:
mark h.
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Date Posted: 07/ 28/ 11, 2:24pm

need three air spring for a 1983 pt40,we live in the tampa bay area think.

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[> Subject: Re: front air springs


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 11, 8:57am

Good prices here
http://www.truckspring.com/?gclid=CIv6je74q6oCFcbBKgodGE4-Yw

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Subject: 1992 WB-40


Author:
Ron
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Date Posted: 07/ 20/ 11, 12:19pm

I have a 1992 WB-40 that had a fire in the left rear that I am parting out. Lots of parts. 903-408-7511

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Subject: Musical horn


Author:
Larry Greer
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 11, 3:04pm

I'm looking to buy an "ultimate musical horn" made by PMMI.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Larry

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Subject: Need help finding good tinted RV slider windows for my bluebird conversion project


Author:
Josh the bluebird conversion project guy
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Date Posted: 06/ 26/ 11, 9:01pm

I bought a 1989 bluebird school bus that I am converting into an RV . I need help with any suggestions on my window conversion to tinted insulated side slideing windows . Please help if you know where I can buy some windows at a good price preferably wholesale thankyou for all your help and advice

Josh

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Subject: battery neg cable hot


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 06/ 21/ 11, 7:25am

so we have fixed the tranny to block issue, only now the bird won't start. Checked the cables and replaced 2 of them, tightened them all, when starting it acts like the batteries are dead, and the neg cable gets very hot just in the space of trying to start. Even the pos cables are a little warm. Before, it always just started right up. Also, on the Optima batteries, one connection is on the threaded bolt, and this bolt is loose in the case. Does this mean a bad battery, or can I just switch the connection to the post? thanks again, Tom

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Subject: Replacement Bedspread


Author:
Catherine Hartley
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Date Posted: 05/ 30/ 11, 7:57am

Can anyone suggest where I may find a replacement bedspread for a 2001 Wanderlodge?

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement Bedspread


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 06/ 12/ 11, 5:21am

Catherine- I just replaced mine with one for a standard Queen mattress. Is the bed a unique size? You might also post the information request on www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com

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Subject: Air suspension


Author:
Walt Coles
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 11, 11:02pm

I have an 83 35FC. The left side loses air pressure at low idle. At high idle, or going down the road, the coach is level, but when we stop the left side dips down. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: Air suspension


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 05/ 24/ 02, 11:10am

Yes Walt, fix it before driving it. The air-brake system is allowed to lose 5psi every 2minutes, more than that is not legal.

You likely have a leaky air-bag or leveling valve. Block the coach up so that it doesn't lower on you, pressurize the air system (preferrably using an outside air source), and crawl around looking for leaks.

Air bags are much cheaper from a truck parts dealer than through BlueBird.

- Jeff

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[> [> Subject: Re: Air suspension


Author:
lloyd (moody?)
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 11, 11:02pm

wow air leaking going down the hiway? thats y you can aford one but maby you shoud not be driving one its not a car you people think it has an automatic trans you just get in it and go a lot of thes coached weagh more than 22000lb thats not a four thousand pound car you will run right over top of a car and kill every one inside they should make having a cdl manditory for ant motor vehical with air breaks. thats another reason you see all thoes low mile coaches with replaced motors the drivers dont no nothing about a diesel you have to be verry mecanical type of perdon to own a big diesel coach I might not be able to spell but i dont take my coach to the garage.

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Subject: engine block bolts stripped


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 11, 11:49am

so, putting the bird in reverse, a thunk and trans fluid pouring out below. after checking, it appears the bolts linking the tranny and (remanufactured) engine block were basically pulled/stripped out of the block. Intention is to tap out 7/16 hole and new bolts...but do not see any visible means of support for the trans, other than the bolts at the front and the u-joint and differential at the rear. Is there a solution that's missing? should there not be some sort of tranny mount or support somewhere? this is the 3208 w Allison 4 spd. , 78 fc. thanks, Tom

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[> Subject: Re: engine block bolts stripped


Author:
thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 11, 12:44pm

forgot - researched where I could run the same size bolt(3/8) but go with a 3"long, to grab another 1/2 inch of thread...or helicoil???any experience to pass on??thanks, Tom

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Subject: 1989 40' WB Where is the mid-roof AC drain underneath?


Author:
Tom
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Date Posted: 05/ 23/ 11, 7:16am

1989 40' WB Where is the mid-roof AC drain underneath? The units drain is stopped up and I cannot find where it comes out.

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Subject: 110V electrical switch


Author:
mark landwer
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Date Posted: 05/ 21/ 11, 2:22pm

Re: 1979 35' Wanderlodge. Just off the floor on the front side of the passenger seat is a red lighted power switch. It comes on when shore power or the generator supplies electricity. Can someone tell me what this switch controls. When on the switch glows red, when off the color disappears.

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[> Subject: Re: 110V electrical switch


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 05/ 21/ 11, 3:09pm

I believe thats your block heater switch. You may have one behind the drivers seat on the couch arm. That would be for battery heater mat.

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Subject: marker lights and awnings


Author:
mark landwer
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Date Posted: 05/ 21/ 11, 2:03pm

RE: 1979 35' Wanderlodge. I am looking for two sources. One for replacement marker lights, several of mine are corroded beyond repair. The other is for replacement awning fabric and installation. Any guidance would be appreciated.

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Subject: galley monitor panel ???


Author:
eric rakita (the big blue bird)
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Date Posted: 05/ 14/ 11, 6:20pm

hey where could i find help with the galley monitor panel, the one with the level gauges and the digitel and that stuff??? mine quit working and i need to know is there a power supply for all of the what seem to be computer controlled items in this board?? the ac line voltage meters are working and the independent switches for the water pump and refrigerator fan are working but nothing else on this panel is working ???
i cant figure out if it has its own power source, like a fused line feeding it maybe??
it was all working fine but in the storms in ark this last month a lightening strike was close enough to knock out my power and i had to kick in the generator.
could any one assist me please ??
thanks eric

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[> Subject: Re: galley monitor panel ???


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 05/ 2/ 11, 4:49pm

Eric- What my coach has is an electronic master switch in the back of the overhead compartment on the driver's side above the couch. That would normally control my clock, the panel that you are speaking of and the clock over the bed. I'd guess that it gets power from one of the breakers in the overhead compartment. Where are you located? I think that there are a few coaches out there being "parted out" and you might be able to buy a whole new panel for your coach if you are close to one of them.

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[> [> Subject: Re: galley monitor panel ???


Author:
eric rakita (thanks for the answer)
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Date Posted: 05/ 12/ 11, 6:42am

hey i live in champaign ill. that is in central ill.
i figured out the panel problem, it was a loose power pin in the push plug behind the panel.
i was wondering what the switch was for over the coach in the compartment with the drape motor for the drivers side, thanks again, but mine does not seem to do anything?
i am also looking for the solenoid that turns off the engine when you shut off the key, mine quit working and now i have to shut off the engine by pulling the t handle.
i would love to find a bb somewhere for parts!!!

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: galley monitor panel ???


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 11, 1:44am

Eric- It sounds like you have a PT model. The engine is shut down with a small air-operated plunger on top of the throttle assembly. Usually, it says "Schrader" on it. There's a small air line connected to an electrically operated solenoid with a red plastic cap. Check the ground wire on the solenoid and also for power when you turn off the front ignition. My solenoid is down behind the bumper on the driver side at the back of the coach.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: galley monitor panel ???


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 05/ 14/ 11, 6:20pm

This Schrader valve is rebuildable for $2.50. Any good seal and O-ring place has them. DON'T go to Stewart and ripoff to find a rebuild as they will tell you nothing exists. Ask me how I know after shelling out over a hundred bucks for a new valve

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Subject: power train in Wanderlodge


Author:
D Rudland
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Date Posted: 04/ 22/ 11, 10:42am

I am seriously looking at my first B.B. Wanderlodge. Something that concerns me as I look at the ads is that many of the coaches with low miles have new transmissions or rebuilt motors at low hours. It is my understanding these coaches are built for mega miles so why do so many have rebuilt powertrains? Appreciate your feedback.

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[> Subject: Re: power train in Wanderlodge


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 04/ 19/ 11, 8:04am

Biggest reasons are poor maintenance and lack of regular use. Like most things in life- Use it or lose it. Big Diesels do not like to sit idle for months or years at-a-time.

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[> [> Subject: Re: power train in Wanderlodge


Author:
Don Rudland
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Date Posted: 04/ 22/ 11, 10:42am

Thanks for the response. So I guess what I person has to do is take a unit to a reputable mechnic and have it checked well. I am sold on the BB's and I hope to enjoy my retirement on the road. Cheers

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[> Subject: Re: power train in Wanderlodge


Author:
Jimmy G
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Date Posted: 04/ 20/ 11, 5:48am

Like Shane said it is maint. I have an 86 pusher with 153K miles and it runs like new. No smoke, starts every time and it quiet down the road. I would never buy anything other than a Wanderlodge, ever.

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Subject: 1980 wanderlodge p35 Mass Weight Empty ?


Author:
Darryl Keirstead (Need Help)
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Date Posted: 04/ 15/ 11, 3:24pm

New member here, Would there be anyone that could tell me the curb weight of a 1980 P35 bluebird,
Thanks Very Much
Darryl

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[> Subject: Re: 1980 wanderlodge p35 Mass Weight Empty ?


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 11, 4:42am

close to 32,000

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Subject: Water Heater Temperature Sensor


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 11, 4:47pm

Hi all,

I am in process of swapping water heaters. Does anyone know what the external temperature switch on the tank is? Temperature setting and probably normally open. This is the suplimental switch that turns power off to the water heater if it becomes too hot (scalding, not the temperature limit switch on the tank), and possibly turns the relay off if the coach engine is running; like on my older bus. I'm not certain of full function because I do not have this documentation. The valve is in bad shape and I'd like to swap it out.

Thanks,

Don
PT40, 1987 8V92TA

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[> Subject: Re: Water Heater Temperature Sensor


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 11/ 11, 12:04pm

The temperature switch +12VDC went to an always hot busbar, all other wiring either went to ground or the temperature switch and the 110V relay; ground side closed to activate relay. As there is no engine run sense circuit, this switch is not efected when the bus engine is running.

I used 1/2" press on sharkbite fitting that appear to work fine in transit. With the tank in place bending copper to the new tanks fitting and or solder was just risky given the very tight space.

I used a standard yard faucet for the drain. The air power drain/fill/supplay "relay" would not fit in the space with the new tank.

Under the plywood under the tank is a white grey matt that could pass for asbestice. I had to cut out the rotted plywood and installed a simple stainless steel pan I bent myself over this matt to contane condensation (hopefully).

Standard premium 5/8" automotive heater hose was used to replace the old engine heat loop. The old hose seemed to be in good condition.

By the way after draining and blowing out the old tank, it easily weighed 35lbs heavier than the replacement tank. It still dumped water when tilted and was no simple task to pull free.

Don
1987 PT40

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[> [> Subject: Re: Water Heater Temperature Sensor


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 11, 4:47pm

that gray mat is indeed asbestos
handle with care

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Subject: brakes


Author:
Joe (tired)
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Date Posted: 04/ 9/ 11, 3:41am

Hi,I have a 1968 fc31 and want to redo the brakes and wheel cylinders.Any idea where I can find them.Thanx Joe

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Subject: 2000 wanderlodge lx1


Author:
greg
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Date Posted: 03/ 29/ 11, 5:45pm

does anybody know what would cause the tag axle to run crooked . when going straight down road the tag axle will be angled left or right.

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[> Subject: Re: 2000 wanderlodge lx1


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 11, 6:38am

Did your Bird have a steerable tag? Many of those had problems abd were "fixed" by welding them in a straight position. As long as you can dump the pressure on the tag there really is no need for it to be steerable.

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Subject: 1981 35' FC Batteries


Author:
john peters
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Date Posted: 03/ 13/ 11, 4:52am

I have a 81 FC. It has been completely restored to original condition in 2005 but has not been used and is in a warehouse (it is beautiful). Batteries are dead though - again. My question is - can i replace the 4 - 6 volt batteries with 2 - 12 volt? if so, how would i wire the 12 volts batteries? Also, if the 12 v's will work what size should i get (CCA etc...). thanks for any advice, john

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[> Subject: Re: 1981 35' FC Batteries


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 14/ 11, 7:42am

I'd just stick with 6V golf cart batteries. They have a longer reserve capacity than 12V cells. I prefer the ones at Sam's Club- $72 each and they can take a beating!

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Subject: generator swap questions


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 03/ 13/ 11, 12:12pm

my 78 BB 31' has the original, weak and sick Onan Generator. I have a friend who can get me a great deal on a Boliy 3600si power converter/generator. Has anyone done a switch out of the onan for a newer generator, and what is involved? I would want the remote start , etc to all work. I would like the Boliy to fit into the space vacated by the Onan. If it is a good solution, anyone out there interested in the Onan? It is an Onan 6.5 genset, thanks thardst1@hotmail.com

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Subject: owners is Canada


Author:
joe (Any owners in Vancouver BC)
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 11, 1:50pm

I was wondering if anyone knows if there any bird owners in Vancouver British Columbia Canada? Any ideas how I can find out?
Thanks
Joe

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[> Subject: Re: owners is Canada


Author:
Rob Robinson
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 11, 5:40am

Joe I live in Victoria BC and before long Richard Selin will be moving from Alberta to Vancouver. There are others in the area but their names slip my mind. If you go over an become a member of the Wanderlodge Owners Group http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/

you will be able to contact Curt Sprenger who is making a data base of all owners. He tells me that his information has 55 Canadian BB owners. If you have questions please feel free to contact me at wander.rob@gmail.com

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[> [> Subject: Re: owners is Canada


Author:
JOe
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 11, 1:50pm

Thanks Rob
I'll search the owners for the person you mentioned and see if he can forward me his list when he has it compiled.
Joe

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Subject: Dead Short


Author:
Tim Crosby
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Date Posted: 09/ 21/ 10, 10:32am

I've a '77 about 3 yrs. with no problems. Last used it about a month ago. Usually plug to 110 when I return but didn't the last time. Went to crank it and both batteries completely dead. Removed batteries, charged them, reinstalled, attached positive cable to battery, when I started to attach negative cable there was a large blue spark which to me indicated a short some where. Same with battery switch on or off. Anyone had similar problems? Would appreciate any help. Tim

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[> Subject: Re: Dead Short


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 02/ 1/ 11, 12:59pm

Hello,

On my 1980 the hot lead to the starter and at the starter was in contact with the engine exhaust pipes and melted through with perhaps 20% of the copper melted. A dirty enough connection to allow normal operation but crappy battery life.

All wiring on your bus is suspect and you really have to nose around and look for signs of heat, insulation cracking, and especially simple minded previous repairs.

On that same bus the appliance wiring to the heaters under the bed was literally falling appart, insulation falling off the copper in the J-Boxes... My overhead DC couplers to the load centers in the overheads were hot to the touch (voltage drop, appliances don't want to work, heaters don't lite, lights dull, and eventual fires). Clean, replace, correct.

My 1987 is much improved from an electrical standpoint. I can say that on my 1980 that I had most panels off at one time or another and w/o exception something always needed attention.

And rubber, by now pretty much all your original rubber is falling appart.

Don

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: Security Alarm System


Author:
Greg Borrouso
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 10, 4:25pm

I have a 1979 33' Wanderlodge w/3208 Cat and I'm looking for the original install location of the security alarm. I would appreciate any help I can get.

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[> Subject: Re: Security Alarm System


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 02/ 1/ 11, 9:05am

Hi Greg,

On my 1980 I can't recall there being a specific location for this. Mostly normally open switches at the windows and door that if opened would close the switch that would allow power to the horn/alarm under the bus; possibly via a relay. Now there was a panic switch above the bed that would turn all exterrior lights on, with relays above the rear bed. IF, there was an alarm system propper, probably just relays binding posts, I would look there.

Don

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: 88 FC ZF locked i


Author:
Snowballs
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 11, 8:28pm

tranny locked in neutral, key off on quickly, press drive before engine dies and it switches to drive. Any help appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: 88 FC ZF locked i


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 29/ 11, 4:44am

There may be more help on the WOG site.

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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Subject: Door Step 1996 Blue Bird Wonderloge


Author:
Don and Denise Evans (Fustrated)
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Date Posted: 01/ 24/ 11, 2:02pm

HI, my husband is trying to fix the door step on our coach, it has two mercury switches that are attached to the step at a certain angle with in 2 degrees to be correct. We are hoping someone could send us a picture of the under neith of the step that would show us the angles of the switches. Or if someone knows the angles that the switches have to be in. Any help would be much appreciated.

Denise & Don Evans
305 731-4540

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Subject: OBSOLETE PART FOR 1968 FLAT NOSE WANDERLODGE


Author:
MARK (FLUSTRATED)
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Date Posted: 12/ 22/ 10, 6:39pm

wHEN A FRONT TIRE BLEW OUT ON THIS CLASSIC, IT BROKE THE STEERING CROSS TUBE ASSEMBLY, PART # A-3102-V-2128.

I HAVE SEARCHED EVERYWHERE FROM PORTLAND, TO NY, TO MIAMI LOOKING AND NO LUCK.

PLEASE EMAIL ME WITH ANY HELP. IT HAS NOW BEEN SITTING IN A REPAIR SHOP FOR OVER 4 MONTH

FLUSTRATED IN GA.

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[> Subject: Re: OBSOLETE PART FOR 1968 FLAT NOSE WANDERLODGE


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 12/ 23/ 10, 6:14pm

You need the tie rod assy out of a Ford truck. I used the part from a 1985 Ford L-8000 to fix my 1964 Bluebird.

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Subject: 91 -95 wanderlodge


Author:
Darcy
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 10, 7:03pm

Hello
Ilove the wanderlodge's but know nothing about them because we never see them up here in northern Alberta Canada. need to know the differance between the differt models [bmc?] please if any one has this kind of info we are sure looking to go traveling since all kids are finally married off
Thanks Darcy

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[> Subject: Re: 91 -95 wanderlodge


Author:
Rob Robinson
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 10, 8:39am

Darcy I would recommend you join Wanderlodge Owners Group and check out Vintage Birds. Just Google these names and you'll get to the sites easily. Join up on Wanderlodge Owners Group (it's free) and we'll help you out

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[> Subject: Re: 91 -95 wanderlodge


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 12/ 14/ 10, 7:03pm

Darcy,

Right above these posts there is a link that says: "Back to Vintage Birds". Click that link then choose the "History" tab for all the information you need regarding Wanderlodge models and years.

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Subject: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Dan Barnes
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 10, 5:16am

I am looking at becoming a first time RV buyer and found a 1976 Bluebird that I really like. After looking at several ads and reading some forums, I am a bit confused by what the dealer is telling me. He says it is a FC33 with a 3208 CAT. He is telling me that it is 300hp, but all the others I look at are listed at 210hp. I do see some at 300hp, but not for several years newer. Is it possibel for a '76 to have the 300hp engine? What is the difference between the two, is it turbo vs non-turbo? Also, it has a gas generator instead of diesel. Does one have an advantage over the other? I assume the gas is cheaper to work on or replace if needed. He tells me there is no hour meter on it which also seems weird?

DAN

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[> Subject: Re: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 10, 6:39am

I think in 1976 the Birds were still gassers, if diesel a previous owner may have installed a Cat diesel. the 300 will have a turbo, & air to air cooler and many modifications to inatall all the extra parts.

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[> Subject: Re: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 10, 5:16am

where is this coach located? a bird owner may be able to check it out for you. obviously the dealer has no clue

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Subject: choice


Author:
don thompson (curious)
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 10, 10:36pm

I have the opportunity to purchase a 2004 m380 with less than 50m miles, however I also have the opportunity for a alpine 2005 40' loaded for about the same price. I need advise on which to choose. Can someone advise me? thanks...

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[> Subject: Re: choice


Author:
Larry B
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 10, 7:11am

You can't compare the Wanderlodge against an Alpine due to the extremely high quality of the Wanderlodge. Yu will put more money in the Alpine, over time, versus the Wanderlodge to keep it going. think of a Humvee versus a Kia. Good luck.

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Subject: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
Mike
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 10, 5:49am

Does anyone know of a option for rectangle side by side
headlights for 1978 fc33 wanderlodge? I just bought this coach and it is great shape except for the passenger side
headlight panel is rusted out below the headlight. I can't
find a wanderlodge with the same headlights. If someone
might be able to help, please e-mail me and I will send you a picture. I'm new to the wanderlodge thing, but my wife and I have had about 14 different campers in the 17 years we have been married. I like the bird the best as long as I can get a little more horsepower out of the NA
3208. Has anyone had any luck cranking up the fuel for more h.p.?

Thanks, Mike and Jill from Indiana

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[> Subject: Re: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
Glenn F. Scaia
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Date Posted: 11/ 2/ 10, 6:45am

Check with a school bus salvage yard. Wanderlodge is the same as Blue Bird Busses for most body parts. Glenn.

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[> Subject: Re: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
mike hohnstein
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 10, 5:49am

I got the swing panel you need, no rust, off a 83 FC.
$100 buys it. UPS shipping available. I'm in Milwaukee area. Changed my head lights to side by side rectangle, fire truck supply. If you need more info, PM me @mhohnstein@wi.rr.com

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Subject: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
Trudy
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 10, 6:01am

My husband is a retiring truck driver and I travel coast-to-coast in my work, so buying a motorhome seemed like a perfect lifestyle for us while I continue working several more years. That is, until we looked closely at the quality, price and dependability of the "usual" makes. After reading so many horror stories, we're afraid to invest hard-earned money in junk. We're now considering a used Wanderlodge as our last hope for affordability and dependability. We would appreciate any pro's, con's and information on units for sale. Please contact us on the e-mail address. THANKS!

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[> Subject: Re: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
CJ
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Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 10, 12:34pm

That is a valid concern. My wife and I were in the same boat, we looked at a lot of junk and the minute I stepped inside a Wanderlodge I was sold on the quality of construction. When new our Bluebird sold for $387,000 in 1989. We purchased it for $45,000 just a couple of months ago and although a bit dated it is still a fine machine to travel in. It is built like a freight train, heavy and safe. I hope this helps! CJ

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[> Subject: Re: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
Larry B
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 10, 6:01am

It took us a year to find it and now 3 years later we would never buy anything else than a Wanderlodge. They are built to last, you will feel ultra secure in it and you can't even compare it to most of the other makes out there as after a few years most of them are junk. Our is 24 years old (1986) and runs like it is new. This is one decision we have not regretted. go for it. There are many good buys.

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Subject: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Nick Nicholls
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Date Posted: 10/ 23/ 10, 8:16am

I have a 1995 BMC 37 ft with a Cummins C3 engine and an Allison 6 speed auto.

Recently, after starting the engine in the morning I selected REVERSE and the ignition cut out immediately. I turned the ignition key OFF, then ON again. The engine started, I selected REVERSE, and everything operated normally.

One hour later, whilst traveling at 65 mph in cruise, there was a sudden yellow warning flash on the dashboard and the ignition cut out at the same time. I rolled to a stop.

I turned the ignition key OFF, then ON again, the engine started and I proceeded normally.

One hour later again, I stopped and selected REVERSE and the ignition failed again, all lights disappearing. I again turned the ignition key OFF, then ON, selected REVERSE and everything was okay.

I am sure that the engine did not stall as the ignition panel was completely blank on every occasion, including the transmission selector panel.

Has anyone else experienced an incident such as this? Or do you have any ideas as to the nature of the problem.

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[> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 10, 7:58am

You may be able to get more info at the BMC web site.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/BlueBirdBMCowners/?yguid=51123124

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[> [> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Nick Nicholls
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Date Posted: 07/ 8/ 10, 10:00pm

A big thank you for directing me to the BMC Yahoo website. I found other BMCs had the same problem of the engine quitting when in motion and the problem was the solenoid in the hatch under the driver's window. I've now had the faulty 80 amp solenoid replaced with a 100 amp. Your advice was very much appreciated. Nick

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[> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Peter H
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Date Posted: 10/ 23/ 10, 8:16am

I have a 1982 which had a simmilar problem. Luckily my stall occured in the driveway. When we had a simmilar occurance at a MX track I figured out the problem and only stalled once on the way home. In my case the ignition switch (where the key goes)was getting very hot. I removed the switch and cleaned it and noted that the wires connected to the switch were also getting very hot. The people at Holland Motor Home (Michigan) found me a new switch (I have run the 1982 about 14 week ends since the cleaning without actually installing the new switch). Moving the gear selector is most likey shaking the wires and resulting in your problem. Hope this helps!

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Subject: REPOWER MY 77 BIRD WITH 5.9 TURBO CUMMINS


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 10, 9:00pm

I know someone out there has removed the 3208 Cat and replaced it with a 5.9 Turbo Cummins. I wonder was it worth it? How much different is the power with the Cummins? This is my third Bluebird and I am always wanting more power on the hills. Thank You and we really did enjoy the "Q" last year. Bob Neary

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Subject: addition to prior post


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 10/ 20/ 10, 5:32pm

forgot to add - the tires are Goodyear g159 - the person I am buying them from told me they are 2 years old, but online it appears the g159 was discontinued in 2003 - so that eliminates those tires....but the Michelin xrv are 2 years old, with a receipt. But they are g load rated. the 11r's that are on the front right now are g load, but I am told H load is needed there...what is the truth? thanks, Tom

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Subject: tires for 78 bb


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 10/ 20/ 10, 5:08pm

I have just purchased a 78 bb 31'. Tires are mostly shot - I am looking at 255-70r-22.5 Goodyear load H for the front. The inside rears seem to be in good shape, so looking at putting the ok 11r from the front(load G) on the outside rear. The inner rear are 11r. OR I can get a pair of Michelin xrv with only 5000 miles on them, 235-80-22.5, and would put them on the outside rear. Any problems with fit, or having the 255 on the front, 235 on the outside and 11r on the inside??
on an unrelated note - in the rear bedroom, on the bottom of the cabinet above the bed, there are two light switches that are not working anything. Any clue as to what they should work? thanks, Tom

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Subject: 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Judy Zook
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Date Posted: 10/ 13/ 10, 3:35pm

Need a radiator for my Beautiful Bluebird Do you know where I should look. Thank you

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 10/ 16/ 10, 3:14am

Judy ,
You may get a response at this site, post the year and model Bird

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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Subject: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Bill J (perplexed)
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 10, 5:42am

How can I open the safe without a combination?
Bought a 1983 Bluebird. The dial turns freely.
Previous owner did not have a combination.

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[> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Jay Sills
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 10, 6:47am

Yes you can. Get a powerfull drill with a good carbide tip and drill it open. These safes were so well even with the best stethoscope a person cannot find out the combination. I have tried every trick in the book and cannot open mine. I have always wondered why the previous owners did not pass down the combo.

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[> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 10, 12:41pm

i took mine out and ground the weld off the back you can then reach inside and open to reset combo
hope this helps bob in ky

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[> [> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Larry blakley
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 10, 5:42am

How did you ever get the safe out? On mine I can't see any bolts holding it in.

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Subject: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bryan Hughes
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 5:04pm

I am in need of a steering gear box for a 1972 BB RV conversion that my gospel group uses. I don't even know where to start. Any suggestions? Your help would be very much appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 8:15am

You could even call me with info as we need to replace this as soon as possible...or if you know of a gear box from another vehicle that would work with relative ease, let me know. (765) 744.8202

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[> Subject: Re: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 5:04pm


Try these links.

http://www.babsteering.com/

http://www.babsteering.com/products.htm#gears

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Subject: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Torbjorn Leine (on city water Joyful)
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 10, 4:55am

We are connected to yhe city water in the campground on one of these campers. The gauge shows half full fresh water tank, and it do not seems to rise, even with full pressure on the hose. May there be a valve we have not found yet???

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[> Subject: Re: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Bill w
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 10, 5:39am

Your fresh water tank does not fill when you are connected to an external water source UNLESS you flip the switch inside the electrical connection box to fill it. Hope this helps.

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[> Subject: Re: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Joe Blow
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 10, 4:55am

First of all, when you say "on one of these campers" I don't think that may be enough information to identify what type of "camper" you are not familiar with and with hopes that someone will give you advice. If you went to a auto parts store, don't you think it would be wise to know what make,year and model of car or truck you wish to get parts for before you asked for advise or purchase parts? When you say "and it do not seems to rise", these fluid level indicators on older "campers" are not very reliable. but I'm just assuming that you are camping in an older "camper", for all I know you are camping in a 2011 Prevost Camper. but I'm thinking not! Hope I helped you there Jeb.

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Subject: summerizing motorhome


Author:
Gene (wondering)
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Date Posted: 08/ 29/ 10, 12:20pm

We live in Michigan in the summer and winter in Arizona in the winter.
We would like to leave the bluebird there for the summer and are wondering what we have to do to beable to leave it there. I know I have to disconnect the batteries, but what else do you suggest.

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[> Subject: Re: summerizing motorhome


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 10, 1:32am

I'd disconnect the genset and house batteries, empty the holding tanks and remove all food that is not in glass or metal cans. The temps inside may exceed 150 degrees if the coach is in the sun, so any heat sensitive items like camera film, DVD's, and canned soda may be affected and should also be removed.

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Subject: Hydraulic step


Author:
mel
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 10, 4:58pm

Anyone had problems with their step operating whenever it wants to??? Recently acquired 1984 Wanderlodge...the step worked at first...and then sporadically...then not at all. Appreciate any and all ideas!!

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[> Subject: Re: Hydraulic step


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 10, 8:24am

The step's action is dependent on a silver plunger along the door hinge. It is possible that this plunger on your coach is damaged or dirty. It has a chrome button about 3/8" in size and comes out with 2 phillips screws. Check the switch with a multi-meter before going on to other components.

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Subject: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
Doug
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 10, 7:27am

does anyone know where I can get a muffler for my 1987 BB Wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit, I have already tried Parliament Coach Corp. and they are looking, but no success.

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[> Subject: Re: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 18/ 10, 10:24am

Try Stephen Birtles at

http://www.dupreeproducts.com/

Mufflers may not be listed on the website,
But he can help with mufflers

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[> Subject: Re: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
steve gureasko
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 10, 7:27am

Auto-Jet muffler can build one. Phone #800-247-5391.
Last price I had was $333.48 plus shipping.
That is an exact duplicate of yours.

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Subject: musical horns


Author:
Jon Bailey
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Date Posted: 08/ 19/ 10, 12:56pm

Where os the musical horn located and can it be fixed? I also need the door bell unit replaced. It works but has static which my wife doesn't like. Jon

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:17am

Do not know you Model & Year. But the Horn has a switch with a flat ribbon wire connector, Follow this wire.

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/

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Subject: Electronic Master Switch


Author:
John C Smith Jr (Desparate John)
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 12:59am

My Electronic Master Switch circuit (1991 SP 36) has no current and has shut down toilet compressor, step retractor, gas detection control unit (no gas), windshield wiper, and maybe more. I assume the Electronic Master switch controls a relay switch of some kind, which, if I could locate it, I could bypass. I cannot find any information on the blue prints that came with the coach tat would help me locate it. Can anyone give me the information I need. I installed a bypass circuit for the toilet compressor so it works. Sheila & I are traveling in Alaska and need help.

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[> Subject: Re: Electronic Master Switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:10am

You may have more than one problem.
I do not have a schematic for the SP , But I do not think the wipers, toilet, & step are powered through the electronic master

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Subject: leveling system parts


Author:
mardy
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 10, 4:09pm

Looking for rebuild kit for actuator from the levelor on a 79 bird model # is AP 2381 for the levelor just need to find a place for parts in general thanks

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[> Subject: Re: leveling system parts


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 10, 5:11pm

Hi Mardy,
Have you tried calling HWH? Their prices are usually pretty reasonable. If you'd rather tackle the job yourself, any hydraulic equipment shop should be able to rebuild the actuator or find you someone in your area that can handle the job. Where is yours leaking? or is it stuck?

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[> [> Subject: Re: leveling system parts


Author:
mardy
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 10, 4:09pm

thanks for the info shane yes have spoken with hwh about six times seems i always get the wrong person for the info i need wanted to sell me the whole thing and said there was no such thing as a rebuild kit for my model you are right will try local area shops i have a 78 bird and am working out al the kinks before hitting the road had to replace step now the hydralics etc etc but she a good bird

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Subject: 1982 PT $8500


Author:
1derer
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Date Posted: 08/ 5/ 10, 8:57am

Anybody know about this bird? (sounds like a kind of deal I've been waiting for) Pix of its name banner at
http://ocala.craigslist.org/rvs/1816200597.html

ocala craigslist > for sale / wanted > recreational vehicles
Date: 2010-06-28, 7:27PM EDT
Reply to: mailto:sale-9bhbk-1816200597@craigslist.org?subject=1982%20Bluebird%20Wanderlodge%208%2C500%20-%20%248500%20(Belleview%20Fl)&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Focala.craigslist.org%2Frvs%2F1816200597.html%0A [Errors when replying to ads?]




Detroit Desil, 10k miles on out of frame rebuild, new trans, rubber good but old tires, 12.5k 4cyl desil gen, holding tank good, water tank good , all appliances work,
fridge, stove, oven , microwave, plumbing good, all service hook ups 30 and 50 amp inc, Free and Clear title. Needs some TLC, upholsrty would clean up but I'ld consider new, carpet is good, all the hard wood trim is in very good condition, bathroom is in good condition, cockpit is in good condition, closets also all hard wood, great cond, It needs a paint job, it needs cleaned, The A/C will probally need serviced, it has three, and 3-4 heaters, all central. It is being sold AS IS you remove it, This bus sold for 180,000.00 25 years ago, its not worth that now but as you can imagine it has all the bells and whistles one could have at that time. It is worth more than 10k, Call Mark between the hours of 9am til 7pm, you can come see it .New rebuilt starter installed 5/28 , Solar power with convertor, all service records as well.
Call me for any other details.352-653-8980 .



•Location: Belleview Fl
•it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

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[> Subject: Re: 1982 PT $8500


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 10, 5:16pm

1derer- I'd pass on this one given the appearance. My guess is that it would take several $$thousands$$ or even tens of thousands to get it road worthy. Sitting in the muck like that would wreak havoc with the air braking and suspension systems. Unless you have your own heavy equipment garage with a pit, paying someone else to fix these issues would be cost prohibitive. There are plenty of nice looking coaches with a good maintenance history for 20 to 30K on our billboard. You might also check out byebuybluebird.com for some others for sale. There was some discussion going on at the wanderlodgeownersgroup.com website earlier this summer.

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Subject: Closets


Author:
Mark H.
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 10, 3:34pm

Where are the closets in the bedroom? I see various bed configurations and i've seen closets behind the beds. But It seems that the only way to have hanging space is to get the two bed one on each side arrangement so you can walk up to the closet. Otherwise it looks like you have to climb up on the bed to open the closet doors and they dont look tall enough to store hanging stuff. Thanks, MH

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Subject: water fill switch


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 10, 8:47am

I have A 1985 FC the water fill switch is not working
any help would be appretiated.

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[> Subject: Re: water fill switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 28/ 10, 2:03pm

Probably the Sporlan solenoid valve. it allows water to enter the fresh water tank or use the city water hookup use. it is probably under the bed take it apart and try to clean it.

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Subject: listing for sale


Author:
Bill Fehlmann
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 10, 8:43am

I have a l989 Bluebird for sale. How do I go about listing it on your forum? It's a fixer upper, intend to let it go cheap. Use wife's E-mail, my names Bill.

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[> Subject: Re: listing for sale


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 21/ 10, 2:50pm

How cheap is cheap? Photos?

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[> [> Subject: Re: listing for sale


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ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 10, 8:43am

this coach has been sold

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Subject: Question about 30A shore power


Author:
Marty Spaulding / Kalamazoo MI
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 10, 10:04am

Hello all.

I have a question about 30A shore power. There are two inputs for this on my '86 PT40 Bird and I'm wondering:

1) Which one powers the battery charger ?
2) Can I plug into both at the same time if 220V is not available ?
3) If I do (2) should they be on different phases or is a single leg/phase okay ?
4) Is there a list of what is on which input ? Its not in my blue book.

I'm not trying to run AC or anything that requires big input ... but it would be nice to have the fridge and a few other things in spots where I can only get 110.

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[> Subject: Re: Question about 30A shore power


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 10, 6:21pm

Not sure which one powers the chargers- you will just have to plug them in one by one and see for yourself. It should be pretty easy to hear the charger hum when it's energized. Normally, when 50A is not available, we plug both 30A cords in. One goes to the 30A outlet on the campground post and the other goes to a 20A plug on the post too (with a 30A to 15A adapter plug)

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Subject: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
wayne in Texas
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 10, 5:19am

Have a Webster hyd. cooling fan on coach. Looking for a replacement solenoid thats mounted on top of main control valve. Its 12 volt D.C. Mines corroded and is froze closed,fan runs full speed all the time. any help would be appreciated. thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 7/ 10, 4:25pm

Wayne, can you see a name on that solenoid?

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[> [> Subject: Re: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
wayne in texas
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 10, 5:19am

HELLO ERNIE; Solenoid had a blue tag on it. The only visible words were Webster. It's about 1 1/2" square and 2" tall 12volt D.C. mounted on top of main control valve for fan. Thanks for the response.

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Subject: Replacement fabric


Author:
Becky English
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 10, 4:23pm

My husband & I have recently purchased a fantastic 1981 Bluebird. Interior is wonderful, except for the couch, which was badly stained by a leaking roof vent. I am trying to find somewhere to get fabric to match so that we can re-upholster the couch. Does anyone out there know where we can get our hands on vintage bird fabric? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement fabric


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 10, 4:39pm

You can contact Muriels in Ft Valley, Ga. You may be better off with newer, up to date fabric. 20+ year old material would be hard to come by and hard to work with, if you can find it.

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Subject: Clean the Radiator 1994 BBWanderlodge


Author:
Everett
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Date Posted: 06/ 22/ 10, 4:03pm

I have a 1994 Bluebird Wanderlodge and I think the radiator needs to be flushed.
Can someone tell me how to clean it, what product to use.
Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Clean the Radiator 1994 BBWanderlodge


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 10, 4:47am

If cleaning the exterior of the radiator- remove the painted, louvered cover. Allow the radiator to cool and spray the fins with some simple green degreaser. Allow it to soak for 15 mins or so, but not dry. Flush out the fins with a pressure washer on a very LOW setting or just a garden hose with a focused nozzle. If you want to flush the inside and the whole cooling system for that matter, what are you going to do with 20 gallons of used coolant? Unless you have alot of experience working on your coach, it's best left to a professional. You need a pump to refill the system and purge the air out of the block once finished.

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Subject: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
Dale Maggio (Driveability info)
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Date Posted: 06/ 17/ 10, 3:25pm

Hi. My name is Dale and I restore old motorhomes. I have an Aero Cruiser which is my jewel. I am currently restoring a FMC. When that is complete and gone, I would like to look for a SP36 (89-91).

My question is about how their drivability is. Since working with the FMC, I am paranoid about pusher units. The FMC is tail heavy with the Chrysler 440 and tends to drift all over the road. The cure is to keep the water tanks full(they are up front over the steering wheels.) This is impractical. Especially if you dry camp as we do.

I really would rather not have a tag axel and I would like a pusher, so I'm wondering is there are any inherant steering problems with the SP36.

Also I was suprised to find that the FMC only has a 2-way fridge, 12V and 120V. No propane. This also makes dry camping impossible unless I want to run the genny for extended periods. Are most BBirds 3-way or should I factor a fridge into the future purchase?

-=Dale=-

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[> Subject: Re: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
Lane Richmond
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Date Posted: 06/ 16/ 10, 6:35am

I am not sure why you don't like tags or the wandering problems. I have a 38' PT that doesn't wander, is very quiet and the ride doesn't change with or without water in the tanks. Knowing what I know now and after much study I am very please not to have bought a coach with an engine up front. Stick with your desire for a pusher and you can't go wrong. Good luck.


-=Lane=-

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[> Subject: Re: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 06/ 17/ 10, 3:25pm

I just drove an 89 SP36 for a friend. He wanted to sit in the passenger seat and listen for any different noises, etc. The coach drove like a dream and we put about 75 miles on her with large hills and interstate travel. Has a lot of get up and go.

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Subject: 84 FC


Author:
Michael Long
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 10, 7:10am

Considering buying an 84 FC.
Known problems are:
Power steering pump
Generator not making A/C
Hydraulic jacks have leaks
Fwd A/C not working, compressor froze
Diaphram pump for fresh water leaking

Does anyone have an idea of how much it would cost to repair these issues?

Regards,
Mike

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
keith carpenter
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Date Posted: 03/ 4/ 10, 1:46pm

those things can vary in cost can you do any of the work your self power steering pump app.1000.00 gen repair from 150.t0 1200. jacks around 500. roof air 1200.water pump 150. could be more or less but it will cost 2000. 5000. per year to keep it going

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[> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Michael Long
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Date Posted: 03/ 5/ 10, 5:14am

Any ideas where to source parts, power steering pump and compressor?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 10, 10:17am

Hello, A local transmission shop could probably recomend a shop to rebuild the stearing pump, farm equipment repair shops for certain. Simular with the A/C compressor, a local truck shop could probably point you in a direction their.

There are many posts in the past about trouble shooting electrical issues that are almost certain to occur for a bird of this vintage; be nosey, check for heat at splice or connection points with full loads (DC volts), this can explaine why this or that does not turn on correctly. Find and open all electrical J-boxes and see if all looks OK. Keep notes on where those J-boxes are; a digital camera can be helpful here. If the wiring looks iffy and confusing, you can alway either label both ends of each wiring or play with one wire at a time; you do not even have to understand what that one wire does.

On and on... read the past posts. Most questions have been answered several time from several perspectives. Don

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 7:43am

I purchased a Power steering pump from Bab's Hydraulic 800-783-3748.
They are Blue Bird wise. Good support.

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 10, 4:14am

Do not be discouraged with repairs, It is 25 years old.
84 FC is a great Bus with the Cat 3208 turbo,with a dependable Allison trans. There are several FCs for sale in good condition, allow about 10K in repairs over the first two years, Tires, batteries, repairs upgrades etc. The Bird will be a better motorhome than anything on the market,
All parts or a substitute are still available. This is a fun hobby and travel in a Bird is great. Look at several Birds and it is all about condition, everything can be repaired. Attend a BlueBird Rally

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[> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Hutch (Blue Bird Wannabe (full time))
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Date Posted: 06/ 13/ 10, 12:42pm

Bill,or anyone,
Where are the Blue Bird get togethers posted? My wife and I are planning to become full timers in the next 2 years and would love to talk to folks about that and look at the Birds.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 10, 7:10am

Check the Vintage Birds Welcome Home Page.

there is information on several rallies.
and other BlueBird Wanderlodge specific web sites.

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 5:58am

everything can be fixed , repaired or replaced, It is 25 years old. these are great dependable vehicles after maintenance, and a few upgrades. Check the tires and batteries, and refrig, these are the expensive items, allow atleast $10,000 the fist year.

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Subject: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 6:37pm

I am trying to figure out the best and easiest way to repair a water leak in my shower. The leak is in the water supply line where it connects to the diverter valve. Problem 1 is,the plastic pipe going into the metal valve broke with pieces of the pipe stuck in the valve, and in the supply pipe. The second problem is, access is limited to an 8" circle behind the shower control valve. I can barely get my hand in; much less cut and join new pipe and valve. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Bluebird Bob
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 5:51am

I have seen people widen the hole to fix the leak then put a large piece of stainless over the hole.
Doesn't look bad, either.

Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
York, Pa

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[> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 3:17pm

Thank you. That is certainly the best answer, so far.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 3:47pm

Ike, you might try some PEX lines and fittings.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 6:37pm

Thanks, Ernie.

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Subject: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 10, 10:23am

I have a 30ft motormome now i would like to buy a used bluebird i tow a 21ft hobbie so lenth is important where is the 4ft used in the floor plan of 31ft/35ft cant tell from pictures some places i sail parking spots are short

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[> Subject: Re: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 10, 3:58am

Not exactly certain, but there seems to be more room in the galley,, salon, extra closet & storage, more under bay storage, and I think it effects the size of the generator. 31,33 ft Wanderlodges are rare, look at 35 ft, you will still be legal, The FC is a school bus chassis
Very maneuverable, and more choices available.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 10, 10:23am

thank you bill now i know what to look for in the floor plans its hard to find a place to park my 30ft with a 21ft hobie cat at some of the lakes and harbors i sail

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Subject: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 10, 12:15pm

Hello,

I’m curious to know how the Detroit 60 series with the 6 speed transmission compares to a 4 speed 8V92 performance wise. I would imagine that the 60 series being able to tune itself to the current driving environment (air pressure, temperature, engine speed etc.) plus two extra gears would allow it to feel as though it is always running at a sweat spot. Any comments from those who have tried both? How about cooling? A huge change, or are the newer busses simply too heavy to notice a marked change? And out of curiousity, how about fuel economy?

Thanks, Don
1987 PT40
8V92ta

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[> Subject: Re: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 10, 4:10pm

Don,
I put about 10 years each on a 475 HP 8V92 and a 500 HP Series 60. I noticed a little gain in power with the Series 60 but certainly not an overwhelming difference. There was a 1 mpg+ improvement in fuel economy with the Series 60. I now have an M450 with the 525HP Cat and, again, an improvement in power but a drop of nearly 1 mpg in economy. Not a good comparrison yet as I only put about 1500 miles on it so far.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 10, 12:15pm

Hi Rich,

I’d imagine each generation was heavier too w/perhaps one more gear. I guess there is only so much energy in a gallon of diesel. How do the busses compare as far as engine cooling on hot day, steep grade w/altitude etc.?

Thanks,

Don
1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: musical horns


Author:
Jon Bailey
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Date Posted: 04/ 28/ 10, 11:05am

Where can I get the musical horns repaired. Also where is the mechanism located? Thanks Jon

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 04/ 27/ 10, 5:47am

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/

follow the ribbon wire connector, it is under the dash someplace, depending on year and model.

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 04/ 28/ 10, 11:05am

PMMI Corp. builds them and repairs them.

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/horn.html

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Subject: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 10, 3:59pm

Greetings,
I am wondering about the diesel engines in these motor homes. Specifically the Detroit and cat engines in the 1987 thru 1990 models. I like the information I have found on this site about the quality of the Blue Bird/Wander lodges and I am convinced that this is the coach for me. However I am not sure about the engines. Are the Detroits good engines? And what about the Cat engines are they more reliable or economical than a Detroit? and what kind of Mileage should one expect with either. How many miles would you expect to get before having the engine rebuilt?
Any information will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert John

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[> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 31/ 10, 2:44pm

Robert- I am very happy with my 6V92 Detroit, but it is not a computer-controlled DDEC version. If you want to read a ton of info about Detroit 2-stroke engines, check out the Tejas Coach Works website at http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html. The 2-stroke engines are simple and reliable. With good maintenance, one could expect 300K miles in a motorcoach, more in a commerical truck. Bluebirds have the Detroit engines in the PT36, PT38 and PT40... 300HP turbo Cat engines used in the late 80's FC's and SP models are also very reliable and a little speedier than the 6V92, but will not keep up with the 8V92 in most cases. For some reason, the 8V92's seem to need rebuilt more often, but we're not sure why. My guess is that they are more sensitive to the limitations of the cooling system on the pusher models and get hotter. Mileage with the Detroit engines will range from 5.5 to 6.5 MPG. The 300HP Cat engine will do a little better at 6.5 to 8 MPG, depending on your driving style.

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Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 10, 12:36pm

I looked long and hard, talked to many diesel mechanics and settled on the 8V92. At 150,000 miles it still runs smooth with no smoke that I would see from the Cat engines. No the mileage is not great but a smooth running powerful engine is what I was looking for. Maintenance is the key. Filters and oil are cheap compared to repair. The pushers are much easy to work on than the FC and much quieter on the road. You won't make a mistake buying a Wanderlodge.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 10:11am

Thanks for the reply. How is the mileage on the 8V92? How many miles did it have when you purchased it? Did you have it checked out at a Detroit shop before you purchased it? If I wanted to do that what is important to check?

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Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 10, 7:04am

I did not have a Detroit mechanic check it before purchase. It had 149,000 when I purchased it. It has about 152,000 now. I get 6mpg at best. After start it does not smoke and it does not leak oil. I looked at different coaches that had CAT engines with mileage over 100,000 and they kept smoking after start. Maybe I was just lucky but diesel mechanics have told me I will get a long life from the 8V92. Hope that helps.

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Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/ 10, 6:10am

Thank you. I hope you get great life out or your 8V92. Your answers have helped ease my concerns about the engine.

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Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 8:24am

Thanks for the reply. I do appreciate it.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 10, 3:59pm

Hello,

For the years your referring to… The 3208’s are in the front control buses which are lighter and about a foot lower, better fuel economy. With the cat your talking quarts, the Detroit gallons, I’ve had both buses and I’d say that the Detroit equipped buses (pushers) may in some cases have better access for maintenance, other times just a difficult of access but bigger bolts; for most regular scheduled maintenance the front control was about the same in effort as my previous Cummins equipped truck. The pushers are easier to crawl under, just don’t squish yourself. The pushers in general have more subsystems and are therefore more complex, a FC is a great coach to start with, easier learning curve. The 6V’s do have the same cooling system as the 8V’s, which is a real plus for the 6V; you can easily overheat your engine oil on a hill with the 8V, and loose ALL oil pressure when you lift your foot off the accelerator. The cats just go slow and in comparison have a puny cooling system. Detroits use a single weight oil only, and you can use 50 weight if smoke becomes a problem. I suspect that buyers who purchase the bigger bus with the bigger engine w/all the bells and whistles are more prone to replace an engine rather than deal with the possible consequence of being stranded. I drove a 6V PT40 with over 300K miles, kind of moved like a 3208 and smoked, but it could have benifited with 50 weight oil and probably had a few more years of typical RV use in it; a lot of guys would have rebuilt that engine years ago, yet it was still completely usable. Don

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Subject: can opener


Author:
jim neale
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Date Posted: 03/ 4/ 10, 4:39pm

looking for can opener for a 1985 pt40 also rubber trim insert 7/16 inch for side trim thanks jn

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Subject: can opener


Author:
jim neale
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 10, 7:23pm

looking for can opener that wiil fit my 85 pt 40

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Subject: Exterior paint colors


Author:
John Dysland
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Date Posted: 02/ 23/ 10, 1:52pm

I have a 1984 FC. I want to get the paint touched up. Is there a sticker or some place on the coach that gives the color numbers? Thanks.

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Subject: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
John Harvat
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 10, 10:04am

I need to replace the ballasts in the upper lights in the bedroom. What is the best way to remove the valence board? I see hinged brackets both above and below the horizontal board that supports both the upper and lower lights. Can I remove the top plate horizontal screws and then allow the valence to swing down or do I have remove both the upper and lower ones. I have two left hands so I need step by step handholding on this.

Thanks in advance!!

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[> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 10:02am

Do not know your model and year , but there may be screws under the white tape covering on the bottom of the valance near the drape track

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[> [> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
John H
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 10, 5:50pm

The model is 1990WLWB. I looked at the drapery track an it appears that the track will have to be removed to see what is above it. I don't think it will get me to the outer valence plate that I need to remove. The Valence board is a good 6 inches up and 6 inches out from where the drapes are mounted. Thanks for the suggestion.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 10, 10:04am

It has been a long time but I removed the valances in a '90 PT40 WB and, as I recall, there were angle brackets inside that required removal with an angle screwdriver. Have you checked with a hand mirror?

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Subject: leveling jacks


Author:
kgoodej
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:40pm

I am considering a 80 fc35 that does not have and has never had leveling jacks. Can jacks be installed now and an approximate cost? Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 5:52am

This is the jack experts

http://www.hwhcorp.com/aftermarket3.html

http://www.hwhcorp.com

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:40pm

Does it have springs or airbags? My past 1980 had springs and generally it would self level pretty well w/o using the jacks; even on fairly uneven surfaces. Airbags of that vintage might be too leaky to be as much of a sure thing. The bus will be heavy enough that on many surfaces you may not bother with the jack anyhow. Just some thoughts.

Regards

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Subject: Rebuilt diesel engines


Author:
Alan Stifelman (curious)
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 10, 4:33pm

I've been looking at ads for used Bluebird Wanderlodges. I see many of them indicate that the diesel engine has been rebuilt. I thought these large diesels were good for a million miles or more, but I see so many that say they were rebuilt at less than 200,000 miles. Can anyone explain what that's about, or are my expectations just plain wrong.
Thanks.

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Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:02pm

It’s simple. At first a millionaire owned the bus. He just threw whatever monies the mechanics advised him to throw at it. In time he lost interest and sold it. The second owner, not quite as well off mostly did the same, but perhaps skimped a bit especially later on. The third owner and so on didn’t have the same financial resources; perhaps not so religious about service. Perhaps a family member inherits the bus. Somewhere along the way the bus mostly sat for some 5 or 10 years, not continuous but it sat; the coolant became acidic, and wore at the engines inside. Now someone comes along and wants to run the bus, only the bus has been horribly and unintentionally abused. But now the bus is being push, and the engine is worn as if it has seen use typical of an engine requiring overhaul.

Personally, I was never really sold that a bus with low engine hours and miles was necessarily a good thing. I’m not suggesting that a bus with 700K miles is the best either. On my first bus the odometer was at about 87K miles, 2800 hours (dead hour meter). It really didn’t matter to me if that was 87K or 187K, both numbers could be argued as good or bad on a 1980 BB. But buyers wanted to hear 87K when I went to sell it. Very few buyers are serious… If they don’t think, and with all the warts exposed, “Wow, that’s for me…!, it probably isn’t.

Unless you’ve known that bus for years, there is really no way to know how it was used. And like my current bus, as little as I use it, unless I keep the fluids clean and address issues as the first arise, it just racks up the miles just sitting there…

Regards,

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: Recommended things to check


Author:
Marty Spaulding / Kalamazoo MI
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Date Posted: 01/ 25/ 10, 1:09am

Okay.
I'm preparing for my first road trip in an '86 PT40.
We've fixed every little nuance from lights to water filters in the "house", and the overall engine fluids stuff has been checked.
There are a couple things I need to know how to do:
* I have some crud in my hot water heater which shows up after draining and refills. I'm still not exactly sure where the water heater IS, let alone where a drain valve for it is.
* I know that I should bleed my fuel filter of sediment/water and the air chambers at the four corners ... how and when should I do the latter ?
* What else should be "DOH" checks that I do other than tire pressure before I roll out ?
I know that the thing that always gets you is the one thing you didn't check. What short list would those things be ?

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Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 1:04pm

Hi Marty,

Your water heater is probably roadside behind the bed. Look in the rear compartments behind the bed and see if one doesn’t have a bottom that can be lifted up. The water heater drain control will be around the bed, on the side of the bed on mine (air assist-I forget what its’ called, will help). Generally, the water tank itself is physically difficult work on w/o removing the surrounding structures.

In my experience, you don’t have to worry to much about loosing prime. If the filter assembly, seals mostly, are put back incorrectly, then you may encounter priming issues. So if your just going to crack the drain valve and let a bit out you should be fine; perhaps loosening the top screws too to aid in draining. If your unsure of the old filter, you might want to drain the filter housing, thoroughly clean and place a new filter and refill with clean diesel. Pay special attention to correctly replacing the small O-ring on the T-handle. Your Detroit engine does not have general priming issue like a 3208 can have. A tiny prime issue that will stop a 3208 from running well or even starting, will just result in a bit of initial white smoke on a V92.

I found that if I left the retarder ON from the previous trip (the on and off switch), this would sometimes result in hard starting; as if the batteries/starter is shot. Make sure its OFF. Take your time, walk around the bus and see that nothing is still attached. No alarms should be buzzing, make sure all cabinet doors and drawers are secure. No leaves on the roof right, they’ll be sucked into the intake, clog that to the point where it sucks flat, and you’ll be on the highway going about 5 mph…

Overall, be nosey. You know that the original rubber, hoses, grommets, insulators, etc., are now old and brittle and are all waiting to strand you. People have worked on you bus, some quite competent, others….morons. It is okay to remove covers and see if all is well. Peek in those J-boxes and see if you appliance wiring still look new or is the insulation falling off the wiring (like on my 1980BB heater wiring).

Regards,

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: hydralulic problem


Author:
stan gravis
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Date Posted: 01/ 23/ 10, 10:29am

i have a 1993 WB 40 foot. between the pump on the back of the engine and going to the pump on the fan drive there is a block with three lines and a solenoid.i need the solenoid badly..sauer-danfoss who made the solenoid says no longer available..i have the solenoid partially blocked off with a nail inside it, therefore no fan control..i bypassed this block by tying two lines together, worked but gave two much pressure..made the radiator fan pump run at correct speed but caused too much pressure and ruined the pump..has anybody had this problem and how did you correct it?

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Subject: air compressor govenor


Author:
allan coolong
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 6:57pm

I need to know the location of the air compressor govenor on BB 1988 wb thanks

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[> Subject: Re: air compressor govenor


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 01/ 7/ 10, 11:43am

The air compressor govenor should be found mounted on the air compressor itself. It's about 4"long x 1.25"dia. Has a steel braided discharge hose coming from it.
It's a D-2 air regulator. Any big truck parts house will have them. Should be around $20.

Hope this helps,
Harold

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[> Subject: Re: air compressor govenor


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 6:57pm

on a pt- it is located on the curbside inside frame rail. a wonderful spot some moron at BB designed for easy access

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Subject: LonestarBirds Mardi Gras Rally


Author:
Patticake Gureasko (The excited and happy)
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 10, 11:49am

Mardi Gras Rally, Cajan Palms RV Resort,1055North Barn Rd.,Henderson, La. 70517, 337-667-7772. I-10 exit 115. No Rally Fee, LEO Rally(Lets Eat Out)RV Fee 28-32 depending on spaces used. Sites14-18,24-28,36-38,45-62. Call early as spaced will be returned 2-1-2010. The rally dates are feb.12-14,extended to the 16th. Second line umbrella contest, costumns are welcome. Call Patticake @985-320-8100
Call RV Resort now for a spot.

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Subject: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BMC AND A PT WANDERLODGE


Author:
FIRST TIME WANDERLODGE BUYER (FTWLB)
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 10, 10:00pm

Greetings,

I am a first time buyer of an RV and my desire is to purchase a Bluebird. My question is what makes the difference between the BMC and the PT Wanderlodge (besides price)? Thanks and Happy New Year!

FTWLB

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[> Subject: Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BMC AND A PT WANDERLODGE


Author:
Jerry L
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 10, 5:45am

It took me about a yerar of looking, test driving, reading reviews on everything from engines to ice makers. I ended with a Wanderlodge PT and am very glad. It is very quiet going down the road (compared to a FC model) and it is one well built machine. Good luck. Owning any kind of Wanderlodge is a pleasure.

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Subject: Compartment Heaters


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 10, 7:01pm

Hello Has anyone out there had to replace one of the electric compartment heaters that I have also heard called the freezeproof heaters. My 1983 has one under the bed at the watertank, one behind the kitchen sink, and one in the waterheater area. The heating element on one of them went out, and it is just a fan now. It may be just the switch that is not going to heat. What can they be replaced with, that will also secure. I have only found electric heaters that wont mount to the wall properly. Thanks

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Subject: 2009 Postings Have Been Archived!


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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 10, 2:26pm

Happy New Year to all... To review message postings from 2009, Click on Archives #1 from the tabs at the top of this page. Earlier postings can be reviewed by clicking Archive numbers 2, 3, 4, etc..

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