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Subject: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Dan Barnes
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 10, 5:16am

I am looking at becoming a first time RV buyer and found a 1976 Bluebird that I really like. After looking at several ads and reading some forums, I am a bit confused by what the dealer is telling me. He says it is a FC33 with a 3208 CAT. He is telling me that it is 300hp, but all the others I look at are listed at 210hp. I do see some at 300hp, but not for several years newer. Is it possibel for a '76 to have the 300hp engine? What is the difference between the two, is it turbo vs non-turbo? Also, it has a gas generator instead of diesel. Does one have an advantage over the other? I assume the gas is cheaper to work on or replace if needed. He tells me there is no hour meter on it which also seems weird?

DAN

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[> Subject: Re: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 11/ 16/ 10, 6:39am

I think in 1976 the Birds were still gassers, if diesel a previous owner may have installed a Cat diesel. the 300 will have a turbo, & air to air cooler and many modifications to inatall all the extra parts.

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[> Subject: Re: 1976 bluebird research


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 10, 5:16am

where is this coach located? a bird owner may be able to check it out for you. obviously the dealer has no clue

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Subject: choice


Author:
don thompson (curious)
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 10, 7:11am

I have the opportunity to purchase a 2004 m380 with less than 50m miles, however I also have the opportunity for a alpine 2005 40' loaded for about the same price. I need advise on which to choose. Can someone advise me? thanks...

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[> Subject: Re: choice


Author:
Larry B
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Date Posted: 11/ 17/ 10, 7:11am

You can't compare the Wanderlodge against an Alpine due to the extremely high quality of the Wanderlodge. Yu will put more money in the Alpine, over time, versus the Wanderlodge to keep it going. think of a Humvee versus a Kia. Good luck.

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Subject: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
Mike
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 10, 5:49am

Does anyone know of a option for rectangle side by side
headlights for 1978 fc33 wanderlodge? I just bought this coach and it is great shape except for the passenger side
headlight panel is rusted out below the headlight. I can't
find a wanderlodge with the same headlights. If someone
might be able to help, please e-mail me and I will send you a picture. I'm new to the wanderlodge thing, but my wife and I have had about 14 different campers in the 17 years we have been married. I like the bird the best as long as I can get a little more horsepower out of the NA
3208. Has anyone had any luck cranking up the fuel for more h.p.?

Thanks, Mike and Jill from Indiana

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[> Subject: Re: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
Glenn F. Scaia
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Date Posted: 11/ 2/ 10, 6:45am

Check with a school bus salvage yard. Wanderlodge is the same as Blue Bird Busses for most body parts. Glenn.

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[> Subject: Re: Rectangle side by side headlights on 1978 fc33?


Author:
mike hohnstein
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Date Posted: 11/ 12/ 10, 5:49am

I got the swing panel you need, no rust, off a 83 FC.
$100 buys it. UPS shipping available. I'm in Milwaukee area. Changed my head lights to side by side rectangle, fire truck supply. If you need more info, PM me @mhohnstein@wi.rr.com

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Subject: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
Trudy
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 10, 6:01am

My husband is a retiring truck driver and I travel coast-to-coast in my work, so buying a motorhome seemed like a perfect lifestyle for us while I continue working several more years. That is, until we looked closely at the quality, price and dependability of the "usual" makes. After reading so many horror stories, we're afraid to invest hard-earned money in junk. We're now considering a used Wanderlodge as our last hope for affordability and dependability. We would appreciate any pro's, con's and information on units for sale. Please contact us on the e-mail address. THANKS!

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[> Subject: Re: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
CJ
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Date Posted: 10/ 27/ 10, 12:34pm

That is a valid concern. My wife and I were in the same boat, we looked at a lot of junk and the minute I stepped inside a Wanderlodge I was sold on the quality of construction. When new our Bluebird sold for $387,000 in 1989. We purchased it for $45,000 just a couple of months ago and although a bit dated it is still a fine machine to travel in. It is built like a freight train, heavy and safe. I hope this helps! CJ

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[> Subject: Re: To buy or not to buy, that is the question!


Author:
Larry B
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 10, 6:01am

It took us a year to find it and now 3 years later we would never buy anything else than a Wanderlodge. They are built to last, you will feel ultra secure in it and you can't even compare it to most of the other makes out there as after a few years most of them are junk. Our is 24 years old (1986) and runs like it is new. This is one decision we have not regretted. go for it. There are many good buys.

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Subject: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Nick Nicholls
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Date Posted: 10/ 23/ 10, 8:16am

I have a 1995 BMC 37 ft with a Cummins C3 engine and an Allison 6 speed auto.

Recently, after starting the engine in the morning I selected REVERSE and the ignition cut out immediately. I turned the ignition key OFF, then ON again. The engine started, I selected REVERSE, and everything operated normally.

One hour later, whilst traveling at 65 mph in cruise, there was a sudden yellow warning flash on the dashboard and the ignition cut out at the same time. I rolled to a stop.

I turned the ignition key OFF, then ON again, the engine started and I proceeded normally.

One hour later again, I stopped and selected REVERSE and the ignition failed again, all lights disappearing. I again turned the ignition key OFF, then ON, selected REVERSE and everything was okay.

I am sure that the engine did not stall as the ignition panel was completely blank on every occasion, including the transmission selector panel.

Has anyone else experienced an incident such as this? Or do you have any ideas as to the nature of the problem.

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[> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 7/ 10, 7:58am

You may be able to get more info at the BMC web site.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/BlueBirdBMCowners/?yguid=51123124

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[> [> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Nick Nicholls
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Date Posted: 07/ 8/ 10, 10:00pm

A big thank you for directing me to the BMC Yahoo website. I found other BMCs had the same problem of the engine quitting when in motion and the problem was the solenoid in the hatch under the driver's window. I've now had the faulty 80 amp solenoid replaced with a 100 amp. Your advice was very much appreciated. Nick

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[> Subject: Re: Sudden Ignition Failure


Author:
Peter H
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Date Posted: 10/ 23/ 10, 8:16am

I have a 1982 which had a simmilar problem. Luckily my stall occured in the driveway. When we had a simmilar occurance at a MX track I figured out the problem and only stalled once on the way home. In my case the ignition switch (where the key goes)was getting very hot. I removed the switch and cleaned it and noted that the wires connected to the switch were also getting very hot. The people at Holland Motor Home (Michigan) found me a new switch (I have run the 1982 about 14 week ends since the cleaning without actually installing the new switch). Moving the gear selector is most likey shaking the wires and resulting in your problem. Hope this helps!

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Subject: REPOWER MY 77 BIRD WITH 5.9 TURBO CUMMINS


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 21/ 10, 9:00pm

I know someone out there has removed the 3208 Cat and replaced it with a 5.9 Turbo Cummins. I wonder was it worth it? How much different is the power with the Cummins? This is my third Bluebird and I am always wanting more power on the hills. Thank You and we really did enjoy the "Q" last year. Bob Neary

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Subject: addition to prior post


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 10/ 20/ 10, 5:32pm

forgot to add - the tires are Goodyear g159 - the person I am buying them from told me they are 2 years old, but online it appears the g159 was discontinued in 2003 - so that eliminates those tires....but the Michelin xrv are 2 years old, with a receipt. But they are g load rated. the 11r's that are on the front right now are g load, but I am told H load is needed there...what is the truth? thanks, Tom

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Subject: tires for 78 bb


Author:
Thomas Hardesty
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Date Posted: 10/ 20/ 10, 5:08pm

I have just purchased a 78 bb 31'. Tires are mostly shot - I am looking at 255-70r-22.5 Goodyear load H for the front. The inside rears seem to be in good shape, so looking at putting the ok 11r from the front(load G) on the outside rear. The inner rear are 11r. OR I can get a pair of Michelin xrv with only 5000 miles on them, 235-80-22.5, and would put them on the outside rear. Any problems with fit, or having the 255 on the front, 235 on the outside and 11r on the inside??
on an unrelated note - in the rear bedroom, on the bottom of the cabinet above the bed, there are two light switches that are not working anything. Any clue as to what they should work? thanks, Tom

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Subject: 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Judy Zook
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Date Posted: 10/ 16/ 10, 3:14am

Need a radiator for my Beautiful Bluebird Do you know where I should look. Thank you

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 10/ 16/ 10, 3:14am

Judy ,
You may get a response at this site, post the year and model Bird

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/index.php

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Subject: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Bill J (perplexed)
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 10, 5:42am

How can I open the safe without a combination?
Bought a 1983 Bluebird. The dial turns freely.
Previous owner did not have a combination.

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[> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Jay Sills
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 10, 6:47am

Yes you can. Get a powerfull drill with a good carbide tip and drill it open. These safes were so well even with the best stethoscope a person cannot find out the combination. I have tried every trick in the book and cannot open mine. I have always wondered why the previous owners did not pass down the combo.

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[> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 10, 12:41pm

i took mine out and ground the weld off the back you can then reach inside and open to reset combo
hope this helps bob in ky

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[> [> Subject: Re: Intersec subway safe


Author:
Larry blakley
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Date Posted: 10/ 6/ 10, 5:42am

How did you ever get the safe out? On mine I can't see any bolts holding it in.

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Subject: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bryan Hughes
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 5:04pm

I am in need of a steering gear box for a 1972 BB RV conversion that my gospel group uses. I don't even know where to start. Any suggestions? Your help would be very much appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 8:15am

You could even call me with info as we need to replace this as soon as possible...or if you know of a gear box from another vehicle that would work with relative ease, let me know. (765) 744.8202

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[> Subject: Re: 1972 BB steering gearbox needed


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 10, 5:04pm


Try these links.

http://www.babsteering.com/

http://www.babsteering.com/products.htm#gears

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Subject: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Torbjorn Leine (on city water Joyful)
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 10, 4:55am

We are connected to yhe city water in the campground on one of these campers. The gauge shows half full fresh water tank, and it do not seems to rise, even with full pressure on the hose. May there be a valve we have not found yet???

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[> Subject: Re: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Bill w
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 10, 5:39am

Your fresh water tank does not fill when you are connected to an external water source UNLESS you flip the switch inside the electrical connection box to fill it. Hope this helps.

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[> Subject: Re: filling the fresh water tank on a camper


Author:
Joe Blow
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Date Posted: 09/ 25/ 10, 4:55am

First of all, when you say "on one of these campers" I don't think that may be enough information to identify what type of "camper" you are not familiar with and with hopes that someone will give you advice. If you went to a auto parts store, don't you think it would be wise to know what make,year and model of car or truck you wish to get parts for before you asked for advise or purchase parts? When you say "and it do not seems to rise", these fluid level indicators on older "campers" are not very reliable. but I'm just assuming that you are camping in an older "camper", for all I know you are camping in a 2011 Prevost Camper. but I'm thinking not! Hope I helped you there Jeb.

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Subject: summerizing motorhome


Author:
Gene (wondering)
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 10, 1:32am

We live in Michigan in the summer and winter in Arizona in the winter.
We would like to leave the bluebird there for the summer and are wondering what we have to do to beable to leave it there. I know I have to disconnect the batteries, but what else do you suggest.

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[> Subject: Re: summerizing motorhome


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 10, 1:32am

I'd disconnect the genset and house batteries, empty the holding tanks and remove all food that is not in glass or metal cans. The temps inside may exceed 150 degrees if the coach is in the sun, so any heat sensitive items like camera film, DVD's, and canned soda may be affected and should also be removed.

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Subject: Hydraulic step


Author:
mel
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 10, 8:24am

Anyone had problems with their step operating whenever it wants to??? Recently acquired 1984 Wanderlodge...the step worked at first...and then sporadically...then not at all. Appreciate any and all ideas!!

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[> Subject: Re: Hydraulic step


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 10, 8:24am

The step's action is dependent on a silver plunger along the door hinge. It is possible that this plunger on your coach is damaged or dirty. It has a chrome button about 3/8" in size and comes out with 2 phillips screws. Check the switch with a multi-meter before going on to other components.

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Subject: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
Doug
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 10, 7:27am

does anyone know where I can get a muffler for my 1987 BB Wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit, I have already tried Parliament Coach Corp. and they are looking, but no success.

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[> Subject: Re: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 18/ 10, 10:24am

Try Stephen Birtles at

http://www.dupreeproducts.com/

Mufflers may not be listed on the website,
But he can help with mufflers

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[> Subject: Re: 1897 bluebird wanderlodge 40' 8V92 detroit


Author:
steve gureasko
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Date Posted: 08/ 23/ 10, 7:27am

Auto-Jet muffler can build one. Phone #800-247-5391.
Last price I had was $333.48 plus shipping.
That is an exact duplicate of yours.

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Subject: musical horns


Author:
Jon Bailey
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:17am

Where os the musical horn located and can it be fixed? I also need the door bell unit replaced. It works but has static which my wife doesn't like. Jon

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:17am

Do not know you Model & Year. But the Horn has a switch with a flat ribbon wire connector, Follow this wire.

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/

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Subject: Electronic Master Switch


Author:
John C Smith Jr (Desparate John)
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:10am

My Electronic Master Switch circuit (1991 SP 36) has no current and has shut down toilet compressor, step retractor, gas detection control unit (no gas), windshield wiper, and maybe more. I assume the Electronic Master switch controls a relay switch of some kind, which, if I could locate it, I could bypass. I cannot find any information on the blue prints that came with the coach tat would help me locate it. Can anyone give me the information I need. I installed a bypass circuit for the toilet compressor so it works. Sheila & I are traveling in Alaska and need help.

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[> Subject: Re: Electronic Master Switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 10, 7:10am

You may have more than one problem.
I do not have a schematic for the SP , But I do not think the wipers, toilet, & step are powered through the electronic master

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Subject: leveling system parts


Author:
mardy
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 10, 4:09pm

Looking for rebuild kit for actuator from the levelor on a 79 bird model # is AP 2381 for the levelor just need to find a place for parts in general thanks

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[> Subject: Re: leveling system parts


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 10, 5:11pm

Hi Mardy,
Have you tried calling HWH? Their prices are usually pretty reasonable. If you'd rather tackle the job yourself, any hydraulic equipment shop should be able to rebuild the actuator or find you someone in your area that can handle the job. Where is yours leaking? or is it stuck?

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[> [> Subject: Re: leveling system parts


Author:
mardy
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 10, 4:09pm

thanks for the info shane yes have spoken with hwh about six times seems i always get the wrong person for the info i need wanted to sell me the whole thing and said there was no such thing as a rebuild kit for my model you are right will try local area shops i have a 78 bird and am working out al the kinks before hitting the road had to replace step now the hydralics etc etc but she a good bird

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Subject: 1982 PT $8500


Author:
1derer
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 10, 5:16pm

Anybody know about this bird? (sounds like a kind of deal I've been waiting for) Pix of its name banner at
http://ocala.craigslist.org/rvs/1816200597.html

ocala craigslist > for sale / wanted > recreational vehicles
Date: 2010-06-28, 7:27PM EDT
Reply to: mailto:sale-9bhbk-1816200597@craigslist.org?subject=1982%20Bluebird%20Wanderlodge%208%2C500%20-%20%248500%20(Belleview%20Fl)&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Focala.craigslist.org%2Frvs%2F1816200597.html%0A [Errors when replying to ads?]




Detroit Desil, 10k miles on out of frame rebuild, new trans, rubber good but old tires, 12.5k 4cyl desil gen, holding tank good, water tank good , all appliances work,
fridge, stove, oven , microwave, plumbing good, all service hook ups 30 and 50 amp inc, Free and Clear title. Needs some TLC, upholsrty would clean up but I'ld consider new, carpet is good, all the hard wood trim is in very good condition, bathroom is in good condition, cockpit is in good condition, closets also all hard wood, great cond, It needs a paint job, it needs cleaned, The A/C will probally need serviced, it has three, and 3-4 heaters, all central. It is being sold AS IS you remove it, This bus sold for 180,000.00 25 years ago, its not worth that now but as you can imagine it has all the bells and whistles one could have at that time. It is worth more than 10k, Call Mark between the hours of 9am til 7pm, you can come see it .New rebuilt starter installed 5/28 , Solar power with convertor, all service records as well.
Call me for any other details.352-653-8980 .



ēLocation: Belleview Fl
ēit's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

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[> Subject: Re: 1982 PT $8500


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 8/ 10, 5:16pm

1derer- I'd pass on this one given the appearance. My guess is that it would take several $$thousands$$ or even tens of thousands to get it road worthy. Sitting in the muck like that would wreak havoc with the air braking and suspension systems. Unless you have your own heavy equipment garage with a pit, paying someone else to fix these issues would be cost prohibitive. There are plenty of nice looking coaches with a good maintenance history for 20 to 30K on our billboard. You might also check out byebuybluebird.com for some others for sale. There was some discussion going on at the wanderlodgeownersgroup.com website earlier this summer.

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Subject: Closets


Author:
Mark H.
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Date Posted: 08/ 3/ 10, 3:34pm

Where are the closets in the bedroom? I see various bed configurations and i've seen closets behind the beds. But It seems that the only way to have hanging space is to get the two bed one on each side arrangement so you can walk up to the closet. Otherwise it looks like you have to climb up on the bed to open the closet doors and they dont look tall enough to store hanging stuff. Thanks, MH

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Subject: water fill switch


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 07/ 28/ 10, 2:03pm

I have A 1985 FC the water fill switch is not working
any help would be appretiated.

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[> Subject: Re: water fill switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 28/ 10, 2:03pm

Probably the Sporlan solenoid valve. it allows water to enter the fresh water tank or use the city water hookup use. it is probably under the bed take it apart and try to clean it.

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Subject: listing for sale


Author:
Bill Fehlmann
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 10, 8:43am

I have a l989 Bluebird for sale. How do I go about listing it on your forum? It's a fixer upper, intend to let it go cheap. Use wife's E-mail, my names Bill.

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[> Subject: Re: listing for sale


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 21/ 10, 2:50pm

How cheap is cheap? Photos?

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[> [> Subject: Re: listing for sale


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 10, 8:43am

this coach has been sold

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Subject: Question about 30A shore power


Author:
Marty Spaulding / Kalamazoo MI
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 10, 6:21pm

Hello all.

I have a question about 30A shore power. There are two inputs for this on my '86 PT40 Bird and I'm wondering:

1) Which one powers the battery charger ?
2) Can I plug into both at the same time if 220V is not available ?
3) If I do (2) should they be on different phases or is a single leg/phase okay ?
4) Is there a list of what is on which input ? Its not in my blue book.

I'm not trying to run AC or anything that requires big input ... but it would be nice to have the fridge and a few other things in spots where I can only get 110.

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[> Subject: Re: Question about 30A shore power


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 07/ 10/ 10, 6:21pm

Not sure which one powers the chargers- you will just have to plug them in one by one and see for yourself. It should be pretty easy to hear the charger hum when it's energized. Normally, when 50A is not available, we plug both 30A cords in. One goes to the 30A outlet on the campground post and the other goes to a 20A plug on the post too (with a 30A to 15A adapter plug)

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Subject: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
wayne in Texas
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 10, 5:19am

Have a Webster hyd. cooling fan on coach. Looking for a replacement solenoid thats mounted on top of main control valve. Its 12 volt D.C. Mines corroded and is froze closed,fan runs full speed all the time. any help would be appreciated. thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 7/ 10, 4:25pm

Wayne, can you see a name on that solenoid?

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[> [> Subject: Re: hydraulic fan on 89PT40


Author:
wayne in texas
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Date Posted: 07/ 9/ 10, 5:19am

HELLO ERNIE; Solenoid had a blue tag on it. The only visible words were Webster. It's about 1 1/2" square and 2" tall 12volt D.C. mounted on top of main control valve for fan. Thanks for the response.

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Subject: oil level


Author:
James
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Date Posted: 07/ 5/ 10, 1:20pm

1) Am working on an ISUZU FORWARD JUSTON, TIPER 4ton. The engine oil level reduces after moving about 2000 - 3000 km of service. At first this engine was using a monograde engine oil and later changed to a multigrade, shortly after it started behaving like this. I checked and there is no sign of oil escape to the combustion chamber, i recomended engine flushing and this gave some improvement but not satisifactory. Can some one advise?

2) Can some one advise on how i can install a battery and an invertor in a vehicle(200W-pure sine wave), i preffer using the m/v chaging system for charging both batterries.

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Subject: Replacement fabric


Author:
Becky English
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 10, 4:39pm

My husband & I have recently purchased a fantastic 1981 Bluebird. Interior is wonderful, except for the couch, which was badly stained by a leaking roof vent. I am trying to find somewhere to get fabric to match so that we can re-upholster the couch. Does anyone out there know where we can get our hands on vintage bird fabric? Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Replacement fabric


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 07/ 4/ 10, 4:39pm

You can contact Muriels in Ft Valley, Ga. You may be better off with newer, up to date fabric. 20+ year old material would be hard to come by and hard to work with, if you can find it.

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Subject: Clean the Radiator 1994 BBWanderlodge


Author:
Everett
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Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 10, 4:47am

I have a 1994 Bluebird Wanderlodge and I think the radiator needs to be flushed.
Can someone tell me how to clean it, what product to use.
Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Clean the Radiator 1994 BBWanderlodge


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 06/ 25/ 10, 4:47am

If cleaning the exterior of the radiator- remove the painted, louvered cover. Allow the radiator to cool and spray the fins with some simple green degreaser. Allow it to soak for 15 mins or so, but not dry. Flush out the fins with a pressure washer on a very LOW setting or just a garden hose with a focused nozzle. If you want to flush the inside and the whole cooling system for that matter, what are you going to do with 20 gallons of used coolant? Unless you have alot of experience working on your coach, it's best left to a professional. You need a pump to refill the system and purge the air out of the block once finished.

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Subject: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
Dale Maggio (Driveability info)
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Date Posted: 06/ 17/ 10, 3:25pm

Hi. My name is Dale and I restore old motorhomes. I have an Aero Cruiser which is my jewel. I am currently restoring a FMC. When that is complete and gone, I would like to look for a SP36 (89-91).

My question is about how their drivability is. Since working with the FMC, I am paranoid about pusher units. The FMC is tail heavy with the Chrysler 440 and tends to drift all over the road. The cure is to keep the water tanks full(they are up front over the steering wheels.) This is impractical. Especially if you dry camp as we do.

I really would rather not have a tag axel and I would like a pusher, so I'm wondering is there are any inherant steering problems with the SP36.

Also I was suprised to find that the FMC only has a 2-way fridge, 12V and 120V. No propane. This also makes dry camping impossible unless I want to run the genny for extended periods. Are most BBirds 3-way or should I factor a fridge into the future purchase?

-=Dale=-

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[> Subject: Re: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
Lane Richmond
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Date Posted: 06/ 16/ 10, 6:35am

I am not sure why you don't like tags or the wandering problems. I have a 38' PT that doesn't wander, is very quiet and the ride doesn't change with or without water in the tanks. Knowing what I know now and after much study I am very please not to have bought a coach with an engine up front. Stick with your desire for a pusher and you can't go wrong. Good luck.


-=Lane=-

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[> Subject: Re: pre-purchase SP36


Author:
ernie ekberg
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Date Posted: 06/ 17/ 10, 3:25pm

I just drove an 89 SP36 for a friend. He wanted to sit in the passenger seat and listen for any different noises, etc. The coach drove like a dream and we put about 75 miles on her with large hills and interstate travel. Has a lot of get up and go.

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Subject: 84 FC


Author:
Michael Long
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 10, 7:10am

Considering buying an 84 FC.
Known problems are:
Power steering pump
Generator not making A/C
Hydraulic jacks have leaks
Fwd A/C not working, compressor froze
Diaphram pump for fresh water leaking

Does anyone have an idea of how much it would cost to repair these issues?

Regards,
Mike

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
keith carpenter
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Date Posted: 03/ 4/ 10, 1:46pm

those things can vary in cost can you do any of the work your self power steering pump app.1000.00 gen repair from 150.t0 1200. jacks around 500. roof air 1200.water pump 150. could be more or less but it will cost 2000. 5000. per year to keep it going

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[> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Michael Long
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Date Posted: 03/ 5/ 10, 5:14am

Any ideas where to source parts, power steering pump and compressor?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 13/ 10, 10:17am

Hello, A local transmission shop could probably recomend a shop to rebuild the stearing pump, farm equipment repair shops for certain. Simular with the A/C compressor, a local truck shop could probably point you in a direction their.

There are many posts in the past about trouble shooting electrical issues that are almost certain to occur for a bird of this vintage; be nosey, check for heat at splice or connection points with full loads (DC volts), this can explaine why this or that does not turn on correctly. Find and open all electrical J-boxes and see if all looks OK. Keep notes on where those J-boxes are; a digital camera can be helpful here. If the wiring looks iffy and confusing, you can alway either label both ends of each wiring or play with one wire at a time; you do not even have to understand what that one wire does.

On and on... read the past posts. Most questions have been answered several time from several perspectives. Don

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 7:43am

I purchased a Power steering pump from Bab's Hydraulic 800-783-3748.
They are Blue Bird wise. Good support.

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 10, 4:14am

Do not be discouraged with repairs, It is 25 years old.
84 FC is a great Bus with the Cat 3208 turbo,with a dependable Allison trans. There are several FCs for sale in good condition, allow about 10K in repairs over the first two years, Tires, batteries, repairs upgrades etc. The Bird will be a better motorhome than anything on the market,
All parts or a substitute are still available. This is a fun hobby and travel in a Bird is great. Look at several Birds and it is all about condition, everything can be repaired. Attend a BlueBird Rally

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[> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Hutch (Blue Bird Wannabe (full time))
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Date Posted: 06/ 13/ 10, 12:42pm

Bill,or anyone,
Where are the Blue Bird get togethers posted? My wife and I are planning to become full timers in the next 2 years and would love to talk to folks about that and look at the Birds.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 14/ 10, 7:10am

Check the Vintage Birds Welcome Home Page.

there is information on several rallies.
and other BlueBird Wanderlodge specific web sites.

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[> Subject: Re: 84 FC


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 5:58am

everything can be fixed , repaired or replaced, It is 25 years old. these are great dependable vehicles after maintenance, and a few upgrades. Check the tires and batteries, and refrig, these are the expensive items, allow atleast $10,000 the fist year.

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Subject: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 6:37pm

I am trying to figure out the best and easiest way to repair a water leak in my shower. The leak is in the water supply line where it connects to the diverter valve. Problem 1 is,the plastic pipe going into the metal valve broke with pieces of the pipe stuck in the valve, and in the supply pipe. The second problem is, access is limited to an 8" circle behind the shower control valve. I can barely get my hand in; much less cut and join new pipe and valve. Any suggestions?

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[> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Bluebird Bob
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 5:51am

I have seen people widen the hole to fix the leak then put a large piece of stainless over the hole.
Doesn't look bad, either.

Bob Lawrence
84 PT36
York, Pa

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[> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 3:17pm

Thank you. That is certainly the best answer, so far.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 10, 3:47pm

Ike, you might try some PEX lines and fittings.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: '91 PT 40 Shower


Author:
Ike Jones
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Date Posted: 05/ 26/ 10, 6:37pm

Thanks, Ernie.

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Subject: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 10, 10:23am

I have a 30ft motormome now i would like to buy a used bluebird i tow a 21ft hobbie so lenth is important where is the 4ft used in the floor plan of 31ft/35ft cant tell from pictures some places i sail parking spots are short

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[> Subject: Re: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 16/ 10, 3:58am

Not exactly certain, but there seems to be more room in the galley,, salon, extra closet & storage, more under bay storage, and I think it effects the size of the generator. 31,33 ft Wanderlodges are rare, look at 35 ft, you will still be legal, The FC is a school bus chassis
Very maneuverable, and more choices available.

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[> [> Subject: Re: 31ft/35ft where is the 4ft used in floor plan


Author:
michael
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Date Posted: 05/ 17/ 10, 10:23am

thank you bill now i know what to look for in the floor plans its hard to find a place to park my 30ft with a 21ft hobie cat at some of the lakes and harbors i sail

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Subject: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 10, 12:15pm

Hello,

Iím curious to know how the Detroit 60 series with the 6 speed transmission compares to a 4 speed 8V92 performance wise. I would imagine that the 60 series being able to tune itself to the current driving environment (air pressure, temperature, engine speed etc.) plus two extra gears would allow it to feel as though it is always running at a sweat spot. Any comments from those who have tried both? How about cooling? A huge change, or are the newer busses simply too heavy to notice a marked change? And out of curiousity, how about fuel economy?

Thanks, Don
1987 PT40
8V92ta

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[> Subject: Re: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 10, 4:10pm

Don,
I put about 10 years each on a 475 HP 8V92 and a 500 HP Series 60. I noticed a little gain in power with the Series 60 but certainly not an overwhelming difference. There was a 1 mpg+ improvement in fuel economy with the Series 60. I now have an M450 with the 525HP Cat and, again, an improvement in power but a drop of nearly 1 mpg in economy. Not a good comparrison yet as I only put about 1500 miles on it so far.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Detroit 60 Series -vs- 8V92


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 10, 12:15pm

Hi Rich,

Iíd imagine each generation was heavier too w/perhaps one more gear. I guess there is only so much energy in a gallon of diesel. How do the busses compare as far as engine cooling on hot day, steep grade w/altitude etc.?

Thanks,

Don
1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: musical horns


Author:
Jon Bailey
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Date Posted: 04/ 28/ 10, 11:05am

Where can I get the musical horns repaired. Also where is the mechanism located? Thanks Jon

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 04/ 27/ 10, 5:47am

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/

follow the ribbon wire connector, it is under the dash someplace, depending on year and model.

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[> Subject: Re: musical horns


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 04/ 28/ 10, 11:05am

PMMI Corp. builds them and repairs them.

http://www.pmmi-electronics.com/horn.html

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Subject: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 10, 3:59pm

Greetings,
I am wondering about the diesel engines in these motor homes. Specifically the Detroit and cat engines in the 1987 thru 1990 models. I like the information I have found on this site about the quality of the Blue Bird/Wander lodges and I am convinced that this is the coach for me. However I am not sure about the engines. Are the Detroits good engines? And what about the Cat engines are they more reliable or economical than a Detroit? and what kind of Mileage should one expect with either. How many miles would you expect to get before having the engine rebuilt?
Any information will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Robert John

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[> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 03/ 31/ 10, 2:44pm

Robert- I am very happy with my 6V92 Detroit, but it is not a computer-controlled DDEC version. If you want to read a ton of info about Detroit 2-stroke engines, check out the Tejas Coach Works website at http://www.tejascoach.com/tips.html. The 2-stroke engines are simple and reliable. With good maintenance, one could expect 300K miles in a motorcoach, more in a commerical truck. Bluebirds have the Detroit engines in the PT36, PT38 and PT40... 300HP turbo Cat engines used in the late 80's FC's and SP models are also very reliable and a little speedier than the 6V92, but will not keep up with the 8V92 in most cases. For some reason, the 8V92's seem to need rebuilt more often, but we're not sure why. My guess is that they are more sensitive to the limitations of the cooling system on the pusher models and get hotter. Mileage with the Detroit engines will range from 5.5 to 6.5 MPG. The 300HP Cat engine will do a little better at 6.5 to 8 MPG, depending on your driving style.

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[> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 1/ 10, 12:36pm

I looked long and hard, talked to many diesel mechanics and settled on the 8V92. At 150,000 miles it still runs smooth with no smoke that I would see from the Cat engines. No the mileage is not great but a smooth running powerful engine is what I was looking for. Maintenance is the key. Filters and oil are cheap compared to repair. The pushers are much easy to work on than the FC and much quieter on the road. You won't make a mistake buying a Wanderlodge.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 10:11am

Thanks for the reply. How is the mileage on the 8V92? How many miles did it have when you purchased it? Did you have it checked out at a Detroit shop before you purchased it? If I wanted to do that what is important to check?

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Kevin
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Date Posted: 04/ 7/ 10, 7:04am

I did not have a Detroit mechanic check it before purchase. It had 149,000 when I purchased it. It has about 152,000 now. I get 6mpg at best. After start it does not smoke and it does not leak oil. I looked at different coaches that had CAT engines with mileage over 100,000 and they kept smoking after start. Maybe I was just lucky but diesel mechanics have told me I will get a long life from the 8V92. Hope that helps.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 8/ 10, 6:10am

Thank you. I hope you get great life out or your 8V92. Your answers have helped ease my concerns about the engine.

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[> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Robert John
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Date Posted: 04/ 6/ 10, 8:24am

Thanks for the reply. I do appreciate it.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: engines


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 04/ 12/ 10, 3:59pm

Hello,

For the years your referring toÖ The 3208ís are in the front control buses which are lighter and about a foot lower, better fuel economy. With the cat your talking quarts, the Detroit gallons, Iíve had both buses and Iíd say that the Detroit equipped buses (pushers) may in some cases have better access for maintenance, other times just a difficult of access but bigger bolts; for most regular scheduled maintenance the front control was about the same in effort as my previous Cummins equipped truck. The pushers are easier to crawl under, just donít squish yourself. The pushers in general have more subsystems and are therefore more complex, a FC is a great coach to start with, easier learning curve. The 6Vís do have the same cooling system as the 8Vís, which is a real plus for the 6V; you can easily overheat your engine oil on a hill with the 8V, and loose ALL oil pressure when you lift your foot off the accelerator. The cats just go slow and in comparison have a puny cooling system. Detroits use a single weight oil only, and you can use 50 weight if smoke becomes a problem. I suspect that buyers who purchase the bigger bus with the bigger engine w/all the bells and whistles are more prone to replace an engine rather than deal with the possible consequence of being stranded. I drove a 6V PT40 with over 300K miles, kind of moved like a 3208 and smoked, but it could have benifited with 50 weight oil and probably had a few more years of typical RV use in it; a lot of guys would have rebuilt that engine years ago, yet it was still completely usable. Don

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Subject: can opener


Author:
jim neale
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Date Posted: 03/ 4/ 10, 4:39pm

looking for can opener for a 1985 pt40 also rubber trim insert 7/16 inch for side trim thanks jn

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Subject: can opener


Author:
jim neale
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 10, 7:23pm

looking for can opener that wiil fit my 85 pt 40

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Subject: Exterior paint colors


Author:
John Dysland
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Date Posted: 02/ 23/ 10, 1:52pm

I have a 1984 FC. I want to get the paint touched up. Is there a sticker or some place on the coach that gives the color numbers? Thanks.

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Subject: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
John Harvat
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 10, 10:04am

I need to replace the ballasts in the upper lights in the bedroom. What is the best way to remove the valence board? I see hinged brackets both above and below the horizontal board that supports both the upper and lower lights. Can I remove the top plate horizontal screws and then allow the valence to swing down or do I have remove both the upper and lower ones. I have two left hands so I need step by step handholding on this.

Thanks in advance!!

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[> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 10:02am

Do not know your model and year , but there may be screws under the white tape covering on the bottom of the valance near the drape track

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[> [> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
John H
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Date Posted: 01/ 27/ 10, 5:50pm

The model is 1990WLWB. I looked at the drapery track an it appears that the track will have to be removed to see what is above it. I don't think it will get me to the outer valence plate that I need to remove. The Valence board is a good 6 inches up and 6 inches out from where the drapes are mounted. Thanks for the suggestion.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Access to upper flourescent lights in bedroom of 1990 40'pusher??


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 10, 10:04am

It has been a long time but I removed the valances in a '90 PT40 WB and, as I recall, there were angle brackets inside that required removal with an angle screwdriver. Have you checked with a hand mirror?

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Subject: leveling jacks


Author:
kgoodej
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:40pm

I am considering a 80 fc35 that does not have and has never had leveling jacks. Can jacks be installed now and an approximate cost? Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 5:52am

This is the jack experts

http://www.hwhcorp.com/aftermarket3.html

http://www.hwhcorp.com

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:40pm

Does it have springs or airbags? My past 1980 had springs and generally it would self level pretty well w/o using the jacks; even on fairly uneven surfaces. Airbags of that vintage might be too leaky to be as much of a sure thing. The bus will be heavy enough that on many surfaces you may not bother with the jack anyhow. Just some thoughts.

Regards

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Subject: Rebuilt diesel engines


Author:
Alan Stifelman (curious)
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:02pm

I've been looking at ads for used Bluebird Wanderlodges. I see many of them indicate that the diesel engine has been rebuilt. I thought these large diesels were good for a million miles or more, but I see so many that say they were rebuilt at less than 200,000 miles. Can anyone explain what that's about, or are my expectations just plain wrong.
Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Rebuilt diesel engines


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 2:02pm

Itís simple. At first a millionaire owned the bus. He just threw whatever monies the mechanics advised him to throw at it. In time he lost interest and sold it. The second owner, not quite as well off mostly did the same, but perhaps skimped a bit especially later on. The third owner and so on didnít have the same financial resources; perhaps not so religious about service. Perhaps a family member inherits the bus. Somewhere along the way the bus mostly sat for some 5 or 10 years, not continuous but it sat; the coolant became acidic, and wore at the engines inside. Now someone comes along and wants to run the bus, only the bus has been horribly and unintentionally abused. But now the bus is being push, and the engine is worn as if it has seen use typical of an engine requiring overhaul.

Personally, I was never really sold that a bus with low engine hours and miles was necessarily a good thing. Iím not suggesting that a bus with 700K miles is the best either. On my first bus the odometer was at about 87K miles, 2800 hours (dead hour meter). It really didnít matter to me if that was 87K or 187K, both numbers could be argued as good or bad on a 1980 BB. But buyers wanted to hear 87K when I went to sell it. Very few buyers are seriousÖ If they donít think, and with all the warts exposed, ďWow, thatís for meÖ!, it probably isnít.

Unless youíve known that bus for years, there is really no way to know how it was used. And like my current bus, as little as I use it, unless I keep the fluids clean and address issues as the first arise, it just racks up the miles just sitting thereÖ

Regards,

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: Recommended things to check


Author:
Marty Spaulding / Kalamazoo MI
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 1:04pm

Okay.
I'm preparing for my first road trip in an '86 PT40.
We've fixed every little nuance from lights to water filters in the "house", and the overall engine fluids stuff has been checked.
There are a couple things I need to know how to do:
* I have some crud in my hot water heater which shows up after draining and refills. I'm still not exactly sure where the water heater IS, let alone where a drain valve for it is.
* I know that I should bleed my fuel filter of sediment/water and the air chambers at the four corners ... how and when should I do the latter ?
* What else should be "DOH" checks that I do other than tire pressure before I roll out ?
I know that the thing that always gets you is the one thing you didn't check. What short list would those things be ?

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[> Subject: Re: Recommended things to check


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 01/ 26/ 10, 1:04pm

Hi Marty,

Your water heater is probably roadside behind the bed. Look in the rear compartments behind the bed and see if one doesnít have a bottom that can be lifted up. The water heater drain control will be around the bed, on the side of the bed on mine (air assist-I forget what itsí called, will help). Generally, the water tank itself is physically difficult work on w/o removing the surrounding structures.

In my experience, you donít have to worry to much about loosing prime. If the filter assembly, seals mostly, are put back incorrectly, then you may encounter priming issues. So if your just going to crack the drain valve and let a bit out you should be fine; perhaps loosening the top screws too to aid in draining. If your unsure of the old filter, you might want to drain the filter housing, thoroughly clean and place a new filter and refill with clean diesel. Pay special attention to correctly replacing the small O-ring on the T-handle. Your Detroit engine does not have general priming issue like a 3208 can have. A tiny prime issue that will stop a 3208 from running well or even starting, will just result in a bit of initial white smoke on a V92.

I found that if I left the retarder ON from the previous trip (the on and off switch), this would sometimes result in hard starting; as if the batteries/starter is shot. Make sure its OFF. Take your time, walk around the bus and see that nothing is still attached. No alarms should be buzzing, make sure all cabinet doors and drawers are secure. No leaves on the roof right, theyíll be sucked into the intake, clog that to the point where it sucks flat, and youíll be on the highway going about 5 mphÖ

Overall, be nosey. You know that the original rubber, hoses, grommets, insulators, etc., are now old and brittle and are all waiting to strand you. People have worked on you bus, some quite competent, othersÖ.morons. It is okay to remove covers and see if all is well. Peek in those J-boxes and see if you appliance wiring still look new or is the insulation falling off the wiring (like on my 1980BB heater wiring).

Regards,

1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: hydralulic problem


Author:
stan gravis
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Date Posted: 01/ 23/ 10, 10:29am

i have a 1993 WB 40 foot. between the pump on the back of the engine and going to the pump on the fan drive there is a block with three lines and a solenoid.i need the solenoid badly..sauer-danfoss who made the solenoid says no longer available..i have the solenoid partially blocked off with a nail inside it, therefore no fan control..i bypassed this block by tying two lines together, worked but gave two much pressure..made the radiator fan pump run at correct speed but caused too much pressure and ruined the pump..has anybody had this problem and how did you correct it?

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Subject: air compressor govenor


Author:
allan coolong
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 6:57pm

I need to know the location of the air compressor govenor on BB 1988 wb thanks

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[> Subject: Re: air compressor govenor


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 01/ 7/ 10, 11:43am

The air compressor govenor should be found mounted on the air compressor itself. It's about 4"long x 1.25"dia. Has a steel braided discharge hose coming from it.
It's a D-2 air regulator. Any big truck parts house will have them. Should be around $20.

Hope this helps,
Harold

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[> Subject: Re: air compressor govenor


Author:
ernie
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Date Posted: 01/ 21/ 10, 6:57pm

on a pt- it is located on the curbside inside frame rail. a wonderful spot some moron at BB designed for easy access

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Subject: LonestarBirds Mardi Gras Rally


Author:
Patticake Gureasko (The excited and happy)
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Date Posted: 01/ 16/ 10, 11:49am

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Subject: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BMC AND A PT WANDERLODGE


Author:
FIRST TIME WANDERLODGE BUYER (FTWLB)
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 10, 5:45am

Greetings,

I am a first time buyer of an RV and my desire is to purchase a Bluebird. My question is what makes the difference between the BMC and the PT Wanderlodge (besides price)? Thanks and Happy New Year!

FTWLB

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[> Subject: Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BMC AND A PT WANDERLODGE


Author:
Jerry L
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Date Posted: 01/ 8/ 10, 5:45am

It took me about a yerar of looking, test driving, reading reviews on everything from engines to ice makers. I ended with a Wanderlodge PT and am very glad. It is very quiet going down the road (compared to a FC model) and it is one well built machine. Good luck. Owning any kind of Wanderlodge is a pleasure.

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Subject: Compartment Heaters


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 01/ 3/ 10, 7:01pm

Hello Has anyone out there had to replace one of the electric compartment heaters that I have also heard called the freezeproof heaters. My 1983 has one under the bed at the watertank, one behind the kitchen sink, and one in the waterheater area. The heating element on one of them went out, and it is just a fan now. It may be just the switch that is not going to heat. What can they be replaced with, that will also secure. I have only found electric heaters that wont mount to the wall properly. Thanks

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Subject: 2009 Postings Have Been Archived!


Author:
Shane M. Fedeli
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Date Posted: 01/ 1/ 10, 2:26pm

Happy New Year to all... To review message postings from 2009, Click on Archives #1 from the tabs at the top of this page. Earlier postings can be reviewed by clicking Archive numbers 2, 3, 4, etc..

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Subject: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 09, 4:14pm

Hello. Can anyone tell me where to get the replcement filter element for my racor, its time for a change. I have an 83 PT40 with a 6V92. Also, I understand there is a procedure for changing it, just dont know what it is. Would it be a good idea to change the other two fuel filters at the same time? Will I get air in the fuel that wont purge out and then I will not be able to start? Thanks for the info.

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[> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 25/ 09, 2:40pm

Stu- I use Napa Gold #3799 for Racor. I use Napa Gold #3120 for engine fuel filter. I bought a small container/gas can and put about 1 gallon of diesel in that. I take the lid off the Racor and twist the filter out. I then insert the new element and add some fresh diesel. It takes a little while for it to settle and then I top it off, add the new gaskets and put the lid back on. The engine filter I add diesel to the filter and when it is full to the top, install it. Then I crank the engine. If it has been cold- like here in Texas, I'll have turned the block heater on a few hours prior. I never have had a problem getting air into the lines with this procedure. Ernie- 83PT40- 6v92 300,000 miles and running strong

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[> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 26/ 09, 10:43am

Thanks
I have two other fuel filters, a primary and a secondary, and my concern is that the Racor guage on my overhead, and it seems we have the same coach, is getting into the yellow. Since red is next, I expect that is not good. Would it be your guess that it is the Racor filter, or that the Racor is sensing the other filters are clogging up from age?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 26/ 09, 3:58pm

Stu- the gauge is for the Racor. I drove mine when it was in the red, last month. Bus ran sluggish. Switched them and are good to go. Do you have 1 or 2 filters at the back of your engine? Some coaches have been modified to run just the Racor and one primary spin on which is my setup. Ernie in Texas

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Stu
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 09, 9:54am

Thanks. I have two, so I run the Racor, then a primary and a secondary. I bought the part, and I am going to do the change out in a few days, and for the heck of it, I will change all 3 together so its easier to keep track of when it was done. Do you know if the generator pulls diesel through that Racor system also, or if the ONLY fuel filter the generator has is the one on the side of it?

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 12/ 27/ 09, 2:54pm

The only thing I know about the generator fuel is that on mine, there is a smaller racor under the front bumper that supplies the generator. You can change that one, same procedure. The filter on the Perkins is a pain to refill and I have wound up priming the engine so it will fire.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 09, 7:20am

Hi Stu,
Just be sure that you top off the spin-on filters on the back of the Detroit engine with VERY CLEAN fuel. Fill them to the point of almost overflowing- you can't afford to get any air or dirt in the system at that point. The Racor is a little more forgiving- it will purge air by itself if you get any in there. Like Ernie said, it still needs topped off with clean fuel too. Then genny should have a little, baby racor filter that is located up behind the right front bumper. I use 2 micron filters in the Racor's and 10 micron filters on the engine. On average, I change the Racor filters twice as often as the others. They are cheaper and easy to swap out while on the road.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Racor Filter Change


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 30/ 09, 4:14pm

Am I reading something wrong here? I always thought that the filters became finer the closer to the motor. So the larger (Racor) 10 micron filter would clear the bulk of contaminents and the smaller engine mounted filter at 2 microns, and very easy to clog, would be the final filtration stage.

I did place the little red O-ring on the T-Handle on the racor on the wrong side of the racor filter top once. Lost prime at a camp ground, very embarrising, made plenty of white smoke. Kind of like the time I didn't blow the leaves of the roof of the bus and they clogged the snorkel air intake and collapsed it.

Don't forget that some of the smaller racor filters for our generators need a free spacer installed in the filter body to insure proper filtration; a big racor factory oops as I recal.

Regards,

Don 1987 PT40

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Subject: 88 PT40 Sunroof Gasket


Author:
Bob Clement
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Date Posted: 12/ 29/ 09, 1:19pm

I have a 88 PT40 with a factory installed sunroof that is leaking and I need a new gasket for it. I talked to the people at Coachcraft and they were unable to help me. The only marking on the sunroof is on the glass that says "Blistex". Can any one help me with this?

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Subject: Happy Birthday Vintage Birds


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 12/ 19/ 09, 4:04pm

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to the VINTAGE BIRDS ON 25 YEARS!!!!

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Subject: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 4:47pm

Hi all,

I have a lighted 110v Switch under my kitchen sink that I'm not sure what it is for, any thoughts? Maybe the out side outlets, or heating holding tanks (if I have those...). The outside outlets kind of ring a bell, but it is COLD for Oregon, and if this turns on more heat tape etc., I'd like to know.

The AC load center has circuits for the holding tank heaters, does anyone know to verify if these are present, or if all birds of this vintage had them? I have the DC schematics, but no AC drawing.

I guess the folks who wrote the operator manual figured there were just too many switches and options to mention them all...

Regards,

Don
1987 PT40

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[> Subject: Re: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:46am

Don- I just checked with another '87 PT40 owner and he indicated that the lighted switch under the sink is for the Insta-hot dispenser. In my coach, there is an outlet in the wall under the sink for the insta-hot. You may be able to find an electric baseboard heater under your sink or behind your cabinets that could also be plugged in where the insta-hot is- in which case the lighted switch controls more than the insta-hot.

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[> Subject: Re: 1987 PT40 Switch under Kitchen Sink


Author:
Tom S.
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 4:47pm

Like Shane said the lighted switch should be for the insta-hot water. If I remember correctly there is a plug under the sink with one of the plugs being powered from the invertor (thats the one the insta-hot plugs into. The other plug there is heat tape for the water lines plugged into it. There is also a small electric baseboard heater and thermostat under there that is hard wired in.

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Subject: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:39am

My wife and I are going to buy a Bluebird, mid 80s early 90s. I have seen coaches listed with at laest 3 different diesel engines, 8V92, 6V92 Detroits and 3208 Cats. Any better than the other? We will be towing a small pickup.

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 2:31am

Mike- I've been really pleased with my 6V92, but speed is limited to around 70 MPH tops. If you live in TX or the southwest and want to really fly- the 8V92 is a must. The Cat's are very reliable, but also limited to a maximum speed of around 65-70 without some "tweaking".

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[> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 10:55am

How are the 6V92s for pulling hills?

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 11/ 28/ 09, 4:23pm

Mike- I've never met a hill that I could not get over. That being said- going through Yellowstone park at 8,000' above sea level, she's a little starved for Oxygen and slows to around 20 mph on some of the hills high in the Rockies. Traveling the interstates, we are never down below 45 MPH and can usually pass the slower trucks. The 6V's run nice and cool- same size radiator as the 8V.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 30/ 09, 5:37pm

I have a 6v92 with over 300k miles. I tow a 1 ton van on a large car hauler. I get 5 mpg and going up the mountains, I'm down to 20- but it is forward motion. I'm slow, but on the flats, I can do 75, easy. Ernie - no computers on my engine

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 11/ 29/ 09, 4:35am

Check out the History on this Forum, A pretty close guess is the 8V's were 450/500 Hp, The 6V was 330 HP, both at about 45,000 lbs with tag axle, The Cats were 210, 225,250, & 300 Hp depending on the model year, at about 32,000 lbs, single axle.
They all travel highway speeds, some climb mountains a little faster , all are very dependable & will get you where you are going.

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Tom T
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Date Posted: 12/ 1/ 09, 7:06am

You can't go wrong with the 8v92. It is strong and when taken care of will give you many happy miles. Run, don't walk, from Cat engines.

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[> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 5:13am

That's not nice , Cat Lover

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Mike Stacey
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Date Posted: 12/ 5/ 09, 3:26pm

What's the down side to a cat? I notice that most PTs seem to be Detroit and the FCs are cats. not sure we need one as big as a PT series but you never know.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 6/ 09, 6:55pm

Mike- I don't think that there is anything "wrong" with the Cat's. It is simply a matter of speed and choice. If you want to fly down the highway, get a PT with an 8V92 pre-DDEC. If you are looking for a classic coach that's not going to go much over 65 MPH- get a mid-80's FC. The only "problem" that I've seen with the Cat engine is accessibility. There's a lot of stuff crammed into a small space. The SP's and PT's have engines that are exposed on 2 or 3 sides and tend to be much easier to service belts, hoses and pumps on.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 12/ 7/ 09, 6:17am

The Cat or DD are both reliable if serviced and maintained, The Cat 3208 is plentiful, lots available, heads mains, injection pump can be serviced in frame, complete overhaul out of frame, can be replaced plus or minus $10k, 7 to 10 mpg.
DD has more HP & more weight to push can be inframe repaired, minor to major overhaul $10K to $25K.
4 to 7 mpg. It depends on your needs and budget, and how the Bird will be used. Full time, weekends, short or long travel etc.....

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[> Subject: Re: What engine??


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 12/ 9/ 09, 10:39am

Hi Mike,

Mostly what the others said. The PT's are much more intemidating size wise but less stressfull to drive, I found. Servicing a FC, while cramped, is no more challenging than a diesel pu truck. On a PT think in terms gallons rather than quarts and then multiply by the number of quarts you are now accustomed to.

On a PT I find that as you approach a bad hill on a hot day that you choose a reasonable spead that you can hold, and stick with that from the onset. It is easy to have the oil temperature shoot through the roof, and if that gets to hot, if you allow the engine to idle your oil pressure will drop to zero, alarms go off...! On a non-turbo cat, they are not being pushed to hard via the govenor, harder to destruct, uphill anyway.

For many, starting out with a FC would be a good learning experience, in prep for a PT. My past (people don't like the term "Old") FC1980 had a spring suspension, that worked pretty well on back roads, it was pretty short at 30 feet and you could get out of tight spaces. With any bird you have to ask yourself if you take that turn will there be an easy way out, and if you'll sink like a rock.

Unless the bird was very well maintaned it is probably not economical to think you will simply have local shops do repairs. Either buy one that is very well maintaned or plan on learning to do most of the work your self. A shop could easily spend an hour just looking for your battery chargers, let alone a relay.

What ever you get, you will hardly be aware that you are towing something.

As far as engines go, the 3208 is a basic four stroke diesel, the 92's are a less typical, now, two stroke supercharged engine. The 92's are much more substantial size wise, have replacable cylingers, so are more heavy duty. You can burn either engine up with poor treatment, neither were cheap in their day. Both have a tradition of going on and on if cared for.

Hope this helps,

Don
1987 PT40 8V92TA

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Subject: Looking for seller of 1987 FC35 in Torrance, CA


Author:
Esmi Heldo
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 7:36pm

I have been trying to contact the owner of the nice-looking 1987 FC35 in Torrance in the For Sale section of Buzzy's Billboard with no luck.

Does anyone have any idea whether that bus has sold?

Thank you, Esmi

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Subject: Bankruptcy???


Author:
Riley
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 10:10am

Have been shopping for '82 TO "85 Blue Bird for about 3 weeks. I was just informed that Blue Bird sold the Wanderlodge line one year ago and now the new company has filed for bankruptcy. Also, the Wanderlodge line is no longer in production.
Does anyone know if this is true?
If so, will parts be available in the future?

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[> Subject: Re: Bankruptcy???


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 12/ 3/ 09, 10:10am

Riley- for those years, parts are quite plentiful. BB used commercial bus and truck parts in the 80's. More proprietary stuff after 2000 made things a little more challenging. I've never had problems getting parts for my '85. We have a large database of manuals and schematics for most years available on our various forums.

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Subject: Power Steering Fluid


Author:
K J
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 09, 9:35pm

I just purchased a 1984 FC 35' Disel 3208 w/Turbo 250 hp Wanderlodge and am wondering what type of power steering fluid is used in the resevoir. Is it hydrolic or Transmission fluid, if so, Type F or GM type?

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Subject: Fires on 90s BB


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 26/ 09, 6:23pm

Within the last 6 months 3 coaches have caught fire. The main culprit is the battery cable that runs behind the battery bank in the rear forward. If you have sliding battery trays or not, it is a MUST that you examine these cables for chaffing. The result is major direct short and fire. I cannot emphasize this enough. Ernie

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Subject: 64 bird


Author:
joel hall (inuvik)
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Date Posted: 11/ 22/ 09, 5:49pm

anyone ever seen an international chassis with dayton style wheels? (these are the ones that don't have rims, they have a big ring for a rim. was looking at a bird, I believe it is a 64. it is not titled that yr, but it looks like one. it has the 391 ford gas with 6 sp auto. is this an ok set up? I know they are slow, but do they hold up? thanks joel hall 906 249 3458

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Subject: Primus circulating pump WL#3941937


Author:
Bill Thomas (bigtrack)
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Date Posted: 11/ 19/ 09, 1:15pm

Where can I buy a circulating pump WL#3041037 for my primus heating system? I have a 1993 Wanderlodge. I can not get in touch with Mar-Dex. Are they out of business?
Do you know of another place to buy a pump?

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Subject: where to winter


Author:
Jim
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 09, 6:58pm

We are planning our retirement within the next couple months and buying a bird. We want to go somewhere south west US. to be able to ride bicycles and walk etc. beach would be nice but too $$$. my dad used to go to yuma and later needles. and we need to be frugal!

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[> Subject: Re: where to winter


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 11/ 11/ 09, 6:58pm

The time to purchase is now. The prices for a quality, strongly built like a tank coach is rock bottom.

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Subject: 1997 Wanderlodge owners


Author:
Fred Hulse
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Date Posted: 10/ 30/ 09, 12:18pm

Hi Folks
Rick Archie (97WLWB) and I are attempting to gather some statistics and information and would appreciate it if any and all 97 Wanderlodge owners would send a message to me.
If you have been contacted by Rick please send the message regardless.
Thanks for your help.

fhulse@wildblue.net

Fred & Jeanne Hulse
Morristown Az.
1997 WLWB PT41

ps. apologies for the cross post,but I want to reach each and everyone

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Subject: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm

The Sun is shining and I just had fresh Chinook
Salmon. Does it get better than this? Question; We are going to purchase a 90s Bluebird and have been watching the ads. I need to know the differences between the BMC and the WANDERLODGE. I prefer the Cummins Power plant so was leaning to the BMC but don't know enough about it. I sold my Bluebird Wanderlodge last year and bought a Class "C". (DO NOT make this mistake). If you have a Bluebird you have the VERY Best. Someone please explain to me the differences (BMC or WANDERLODGE). Thank You Bob Neary

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 30/ 09, 5:02am

The BMC was made for just a fewe years in the 90s. The differences are that they do not have all the bells and whistles of a Wanderlodge. I would be proud to have either one. Ernie- 83PT40

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[> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bob Neary
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 8:12pm

Thank You Guys; What "Options are missing"? I think the Cummins gets better fuel economy than the Detroit and anyone who thinks we are not going to have higher fuel costs has his/her head in the sand. What is the Weight of the BMC? The Wanderlodge should still go mid to high 40s. Bob

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Jim Baker
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Date Posted: 10/ 28/ 09, 5:50pm

Having owned a BMC for 10 years, I can tell you that it is a fine piece of machinery. The Spartan chassis is no slouch - Spartan builds chassis for many Firetrucks, and the military, and unlike Bluebird Motorhomes, is still in business. The interior is all Bluebird, with great materials and lots of mirrors..of course. I think the GVW is around 31,000 lbs, plenty for a single rear axle. I have not owned other Bluebirds, so don't know what options are missing, but I haven't missed anything that I know of. I recommend BMC's. That being said, we just sold ours and are retiring from motorhoming after 40 years, so that is my piece - for whatever it is worth.

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 31/ 09, 3:42am

I believe the major difference was that BB tried to make a lower cost Motorhome, and used another chassis, I think it was a Sparton/Cummins. Also eliminate a few options. The BMC it still a very nice coach, Only a few years in production .

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[> Subject: Re: BMC or WANDERLODGE


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 11:12am

Bill hit the nail on the head. In an effort to boost sluggish sales Blue Bird started the BMC (Blue Bird Motor Coach) line. They used a Spartan chassis which has a lighter weight capacity and was not purpose designed/built by Blue Bird. Blue Bird added a fine body and interior which, while nicer than most any other motorhome out there, there are differences with the Wanderlodge that was built from the ground up by Blue Bird. The reduced weight capacity made it essential to cut down on the size of things such as engine, generator, battery banks, tank capacities, frills, etc. Overall, I agree with the others; it is a fine coach.

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Subject: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm

My 4 six volt batteries have finally given out and need replacing. With today's battery technology, has anyone tries using two high performance fishing trolling motor 12 volt batteries wired in series to replace the four 6 volt batteries wired in parrallel? If so, what kind of life are you getting from them?

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[> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 10/ 9/ 09, 3:31am

John- I've had the best results from a good Xantrex 3-stage charger and the 6V golf cart batteries that you get at Sam's Club. For the cost of the custom trolling motor battery, you could just replace your old battery boiler charger with a Truecharge 40+ and buy the cheaper golf cart batteries. Just an FYI- the 6V batteries are wired in series, not the 12V- those have to be wired in Parallel. The 6V batteries afford a much better reserve capacity due to thicker plates. Normally, you have two "pairs" of 6V batteries, each wired in series.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Batteries, 1979 F35


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 8:29pm

Shane thanks for the info! And the clarification on the battery wiring. You were a great help!

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Subject: roof air VS dash air


Author:
danny
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 2:29am

What will return better MPG over the road: Dash air or the roof tops powered by the genny?

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[> Subject: Re: roof air VS dash air


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 2:29am

Danny- Without knowing your current MPG and engine, it's hard to answer your question accurately. If you're running with a Cat3208 or DD6V92, use the genny for A/C cooling. The smaller engines are going to need all of the power they can get to keep the coach moving! My Perkins uses about 8/10 gallon per hour. It also rarely gets used hard enough- so driving down the road with it on and under load is good exercise. A "lightly" used genset will fail before one that's exercised regularly. The next time that you calculate your MPG, factor in another 8/10 gallon for every 60 miles and see how it affects your numbers. If you log your genny hours, coach mileage and gallons purchased at each fillup, you can easily calculate the difference. In my case, if I used the genset ALL of the time while traveling, it would reduce my MPG by a factor of around 0.4 MPG.

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Subject: convection microwave oven


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 12:28am

On our maiden voyage with out new to us Bird the micro convection oven quit. Anyone out there know where I can get a replacement. It is a Carosel 2 built over the stove measurements 24 5/8" wide,14 1/2" high and the depth is up to 22". It is not vented. Everything I have found is too big and needs space on the sides or is vented.

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[> Subject: Re: convection microwave oven


Author:
NH BIll
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Date Posted: 10/ 11/ 09, 12:28am

Sharp 930AK(Black) also available in stainless and white about $400

dimensions 24 5/8 x 14 7/8 x 19

Replaced original Sharp Carousel with this in our 83FC.

Only difference in size is height. The 930 is about .75" shorter so a fill strip at the top took care of it.
Nice replacement. Much faster than the old 600W unit and easy to use.

NH Bill

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Subject: closet door pull


Author:
Ralph Wilson
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm

was wondering if anyone out there knows where we can get a closet door pull for our bluebird. it is a 1999, plan # 1206, body #122700..they are gold in color.
any help or directions as where to look would be appreciated.
thanks
Ralph and DOreen

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[> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 08/ 17/ 09, 10:10am

Below is a copy of my post on the Wanderlodge Owners Online forum. The pictures won't show up here but you should be able to see the information to order. NOTE: Since I posted there, I received my handles and had two gold plated at a local shop. They are close enough so I didn't have to replace all.

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Bill & Ann, Wow, a coincidence!! I just went through this last week when one broke on our '99. The handles I have are made by Sugitsune and have the marking "LAMP" under the lift handle.



If yours are like the picture above, there is good news and bad news. Bad news is that they are discontinued and there are none available in brass either in the US or in Japan. Good news is that the importer has a limited quantity of the nickle (chrome) finish available for less than $12.00 each. I just ordered 8 pieces. Six will be used to replace all if it becomes necessary and I'm sending two out to a local custom plating shop to be brass plated. If the match is exact, I'll just need the one or if quite close, I can change the two that are side by side. As a last resort, I'll change all to the nickle finish as they should look "OK" set into the silver mirror.

Here is the contact info at the wholesaler:
Jim Smith
Sugatsune America, Inc.
221 East Selandia Lane
Carson, CA 90746-1414

310-329-6373
800-562-5267
FAX 310-329-0819

Jim gave me a local retailer who ordered them for me and they will be shipped direct to me from the CA wholesaler.

The model number of my original brass handles is "FH-100BM-11" and the nickle finish number that is available is "FH-100BM-00" . These are the ones with the spring, there is a similar handle without a spring too which carries an "AM" in the model number instead of "BM". Blue Bird had only one nickle finish in stock and no brass finish.

As far as removal of the old ones, that is a little tricky because, in their infinite wisdom, the factory decided not to use the screws provided which would have been visible on the inside of the door and, instead, glued the handle in with a gob of silicone. To remove the broken one, I drilled a hole about 1/2 way down from the top being careful not to go deep enough to go through the door and threaded a long lag screw into the hole again being careful not to go through the door. By pulling and wiggling the lag screw, the handle came free. Obviously, one should not try to pry out the flush handle as the mirror could be broken.

I'll post as soon as the handles arrive, should be in a few days. Now that I think about it, I may reconsider and have them all plated brass. That way I'm covered whether or not they match exactly and will still have spares.

Isn't this forum a wonderful way to share information about our Birds!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Ralph
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 4:47am

thanks for the response and apologize for not getting back sooner. have had a very busy summer then we came south and have been very busy.
i dont' visit the site very often. i'm going to make a copy of your letter and try to get things done there way, i didn't see any screws there either. i have a couple other problems , one is i don't know how to drain the air tanks for the brakes, don't even know where they are. and we have an antilock brake light that stays on. normaly it would go off after we start down the road a few miles. if you have any insite on either one of these, be happy to hear them, email at regular email..wilson4536@aol.com. we may post these problems on the site to..
thanks again. this is a good place to go, when we remember!!!
there's a bankruptcy auction at bluebird in fort valley, ga. next week end. thurs. oct. 15 and sat. oct. 17 at 10 a.m. alot of stuff there going. 15 new engines and 14 new traansmissions. and awhole lot of manufacturing stuff..sad...also oct. 22 thur. in colton, ga. 4 top-of-the-line wanderlodge vehicles at 11 a.m.
ralph

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: closet door pull


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 10/ 7/ 09, 5:00pm

Ralph, I have found that quite a few coaches with the ABS sensors, their light stays on. Ralph Fullenwider told me that there is a dirty sensor giving a false reading and does not affect the brakes. FYI
As for finding the sensor that is at fault--??

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Subject: Expenses


Author:
Lee
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm

Hello, Years ago 2 family members had Bluebird coaches. I loved them. I am now retired and looking to purchase a used Bluebird. It will be my full time home for the next several years. For several years I've spent about 6 months at a time in a small class A coach. I've found a well maintained FC 35 that I am thinking of purchasing. I'm trying plan for up keep expenses. I'm thinking of putting 10K aside to start and then adding $500.00 a month for upkeep. Will this be enough to keep the coach in good condition? I have adequate funds if more is needed. Thank you.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:47am

Your budget is adequate, however I recommend focusing on 87 and newer FC's or consider an SP. They are generally more servicable, and that is important. 86 and older tend to be more neglected due to the difficulty of working on the engine.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Lee
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Date Posted: 09/ 30/ 09, 10:45am

Thank you for the advise. I was looking at a 1983. The photos looked good and the owner said it was well maintained. I took a diesel mechanic friend with me to look at it. It did not look as good when we inspected it. To put in top shape would have required a lot of work. Owner insisted it was in top condition and wanted top dollar. I decided I wasn't interested. Still looking for now.

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[> Subject: Re: Expenses


Author:
Bob Maloney (87 fc)
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 3:49pm

I have a 87 FC for sale in exc cond if interested reply

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Subject: Auto Levelers


Author:
Gary Fisher
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 5:14am

I am looking at a 1977 FC35 that has the controls for levelers but no levelers. Where can I get them and I assume because the controler is there the coach had them at one time.

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[> Subject: Re: Auto Levelers


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 10/ 5/ 09, 5:14am

Google HWH leveler systems in Iowa, they are the original suppliers and a good company to deal with.

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Subject: diesel/gasser comparison


Author:
Steve Hutter
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 5:57am

I am trying to understand the full difference between a diesel or gasser
wanderlodge of any given year.
>
> It seems hard to find much info on the powertrain difference, could any gasser
peeps, give any insight to thier experience with a gasser unit.
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> The area that I can't seem to find any info on at all is the chassis. Other
than the gasser (usually a Ford industrial 391 (I think))Is there any difference
in an FC gasser unit as compared to the diesel. Do they both have the air ride
suspension? Do they both have airbrakes? Are the chassis identical? Do they both
have 22 inch tires? Do both have brake assist system (Maybe not a jake for the
gasser,but a retarder of some sort)? Are there any other difference other than
just the engine?
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> Any info would be great.

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[> Subject: Re: diesel/gasser comparison


Author:
Jerry R
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Date Posted: 10/ 2/ 09, 5:57am

In all my work looking at BB over the last 3 years I discovered the the rear diesel pushers are built stronger, are easier to work on and will last longer than their gas siblings. The other stuff (retarders, air bags, etc. are about the same. I am so glad I bought diesel (rear pusher NOT FC). I hope to get many years of fun from it. Diesel may cost a little more to maintain but well worth it.

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Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge


Author:
Cliff
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:43pm

I would like to keep the 49-ness of my bus,and also have the newer suspension etc and would like to keep it all BB wonderlodge (will keep the cummins eng) anything in the washington state? thank you for any info/ideas.

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Subject: 1949 35ft bluebird wonderlodge


Author:
Cliff (exited)
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Date Posted: 10/ 1/ 09, 9:02pm

I have a 1949 BB wonderlodge. I had been looking for a newer bus and stumbled upon this one. LOVE at first sight. the person i bought it from delivered to my home. on the way the air brakes failed. A big tow truck finished the delivery with minimal damage. I spent summer 08 gutting the interior, as there had been lots of critters calling it home.As i have been looking for parts and such most people don't have any idea what a wonderlodge is. so i am very happy to find groups of people who do know what they are.and that i hope they can give more info and ideas.

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Subject: Aqua Heater


Author:
Bernard Haag (confused)
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Date Posted: 09/ 28/ 09, 7:49pm

I have a 95 PT42 with a aquaheating system on board. Where do I find the switches to start her running on diesel and electric....if so can someone call me on my cell at 605-484-4585 anytime during the day...the fans will run when I place the thermostats on heat and high but there must be an additonal switch for the diesel side of her.....

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Subject: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
A. E. NEWMAN
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am

WHAT TIRE SIZE IS CORRECT FOR 1982 35' FC SIDE BATH?

11R 0R 12R

THANKS

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[> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 09/ 16/ 09, 8:12am

Either will work....I have a 83 35' FC and I have 12R....but I do believe that the early FCs came from the factory with 11R....12R may give you a more cushie ride.

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[> [> Subject: Re: TIRE SIZE?


Author:
Mike Hohnstein
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Date Posted: 09/ 27/ 09, 7:43am

You need to verify the width of your wheels. Typically an 82 will have 7" wide. That won't get it for 12R.
I chose to upgrade to 24" wheels as my 83 had 7". The 11R 24.5 tires, Koni's on the front axle, Gabriels on the rear AND new bushings on the rear axle panard bar greatly improved the road manners of my FC. The panard bars are on both axles, they are mounted above and paralelle with the axle. The bars controll side movement of the body realative to the chassis. Bolts have been known to break and any bird with over 100k miles need's the rear bar inspected.

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Subject: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?


Author:
ken bradbury
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 09, 10:54am

hi, i have a 78 bulebird wanderlodge with a cat 3208.
it has just 4 6v batteries. these are used to start the bus and for the everything in back.

i bought 2 new deep cycle batteries to separate the coach (back lighting and accesories) form the engine starter.

but i dont understand how to isolate these. is there a main 12v fues panel? is it above the driver?

it tried to find one main wire that feeds that panel, but i can,t?

i thought i'd connect my deep cycles to that fuse panel, hmm.

please help.

ken

707 540 1463

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[> Subject: Re: wiring questing separating engine from couch batteries?


Author:
Bob Griesel
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Date Posted: 09/ 22/ 09, 10:54am

There is a heavy red (#6) cable running behind the overheads on each side of the bus. This is the interior (coach) power. These cables join at the left front corner of the bus and run down to the battery compartment. Trace this cable run and find a logical place to separate it from the automotive system and connect it to the new batteries instead. Remember to provide a charge for the house batteries. A Schottky charge splitter or combiner relay can be used for this purpose.

Put a disconnect on the automotive batteries so they will be fresh when its time to start the Cat.

I suggest using the 4-6V batteries for the house and a group 31 or a pair of group 24 or 27 batteries to crank the Cat. This will provide more power for the coach and plenty for the Cat.

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Subject: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD


Author:
A. E. NEWMAN
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 09, 8:11am

I WANT TO BUY A 1982 35' FC SB, WITH AIR BAGS.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN I DRIVE IT, IT WANDERS ALL OVER THE ROAD, AND HAS WAY TOO MUCH BODY ROLL, YOU THINK IT WILL TURN OVER WHEN YOR DRIVE IT OR MAKE A VERY SLOW CORNER.
WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD ANY GROVE IN THE ROAD YOU THINK IT WILL ROLL OVER. THE STEERING IS VERY TIGHT. THE TIRES ARE THE 11R WITH 105 PSI MAX PRESSURE, SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT I NEED THE 12R TIRES.
THE COACH IS IN PERFICT CONDITION, BUT I CAN NOT DRIVE IT DOWN THE ROAD.
CAN ANYONE HELP.

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[> Subject: Re: BODY ROLL AND WANDERING ALL OVER THE ROAD


Author:
RM
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Date Posted: 09/ 19/ 09, 8:11am

Most likely need new shocks. Our improved dramatically (roll & porpoising when the new Koni shocks were put on front)
They are called wanderlodges (ha!) Also seems people tend to oversteer in the beginning. You need to relax on the steering wheel

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Subject: Tire monitoring systems


Author:
Dan B (information overload)
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Date Posted: 09/ 13/ 09, 7:17pm

I'm looking at TPMS and find PressurePro, Doran and Smarttire to be the most common brands advertized. I like the idea of the internally mounted sensors used with the Smarttire system. Does anyone have any experience with these brands that will help me make a decision based on user experiences instead of manufacturer's claims?

DanB
2004 M380
Broussard, Louisiana

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Subject: 87 FC 35 Generator??????


Author:
Bob Maloney
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Date Posted: 09/ 11/ 09, 12:26pm

I have a 87 FC 35 and the generator will not start from any starting console. The generator is an Onan 8.0 diesel I took the starter off and had it checked, checked out great. I put the starter back on and it still will not start. I then short the solenoid wire to the battery and it would start if was getting the signal from the console. I have since taken apart the console on the generator itself to find the Ford style starter solenoid inside and checked it out and it works fine. The ground side of the solenoid at this point seems to be getting the wrong signal as it should be grounding and in fact has 12 volts to it. The switch side of the solenoid at this point has a little over 8 volts when the starter switch is activated. The generator attempts to start as it should operating the fuel shutoff and finally for lack of a better word times out and either trips the DC output control or the push to reset circuit breaker. From this can someone either tell me what to look for or if at all possible supply me with a schematic. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Bob Maloney
Clay City KY

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Subject: Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC


Author:
Rob Porter
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 09, 5:51am

Looking for a web sight or any input on a price. This unit although not in terrible shape by any means, seems well used for its age. It has 200,000 plus miles. It is at a local dealer. This would be a first moterhome for us as we have had travel trailers in the past, so any input on this model for a first timer would also be apreciated.
Thanks
Rob P

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[> Subject: Re: Need help with value of a 1982 35 FC


Author:
Ted D
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Date Posted: 09/ 9/ 09, 5:51am

I would offer $20K and wouldn't pay more than $23K. There are many variables that can affect the price (engine hours, gen hours, tires, maint records, heating, cooling, fridge, etc. Good luck and there are no real price guides out there. Don't be in a rush. It took me over a year to find one and there are many owners VERY eager to sell.

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Subject: PT-40 weight


Author:
Cary Burton
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 09, 6:48am

We are looking to purchase a 40' 'Bird but are concerned about the weight on our driveway. Our driveway is 300 ft. long, straight back from the street, looks to be 3.5 to 4 inches of portland cement and in good condition. Do I stand much chance of damaging my driveway by driving the coach onto it?

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[> Subject: Re: PT-40 weight


Author:
Jim T
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Date Posted: 09/ 3/ 09, 6:48am

You should be fine. The only potential problem may be hairline cracks that may get larger as the coach rolls by. These birds are weighty beasts to go nowhere there is soft ground. Good luck.

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Subject: have extra power steering pump


Author:
don w
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 8:19pm

have extra factory recon power steering pump for 6v92 in 1984 40p would like to sell and also have fan coolant motor for same email if interested will take 650.00 for both

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[> Subject: Re: have extra power steering pump


Author:
Dennis Gaddy
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Date Posted: 08/ 30/ 09, 8:19pm

is this the power steering pump that mounts to right side of the air compressor or left side. if the right side i may be interested in it

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Subject: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm

We are preparing to take delivery on our new to us Bird and need to know the exterior clearance. Sure don't want to rearrange anything on the roof. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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[> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Shane Fedeli
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 5:44pm

Hi Pam- Good luck with the new coach! I believe that our 1985 PT40 is around 11'9" at the top of the dash A/C unit. I will usually try to avoid clearances of less than 12'6" due to variations in the ride height, bumps, etc... An easy way to check the clearance is to measure the distance to a fixed limb or garage opening and then pull the coach under the limb or doorway and subtract the distance to the antenna's, A/C unit and roof pods while someone else SLOWLY moves the coach forward. The air bag suspension can be adjusted up or down by several inches- so overall height could vary greatly. The distance from the ground to the bottom of your compartment door behind the front wheel should be around 17" and in front of the drive wheels around 18".

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[> [> Subject: Re: Exterior Height of 1986 PT40 Bird


Author:
Pam in Alabama
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 10:28pm

Thanks for the info Shane. I will be careful with the low clearances. I had a Class A that looked a little lower then the Bird. My main concern was where I need to park it in the yard when we get it home. Time to get out the pruning saw. And I may have to call the utility company to raise the wires going to the house.

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Subject: Engine wiring diagram


Author:
Stephen Borders
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Date Posted: 08/ 28/ 09, 8:14am

I am in need of a wiring diagram for a 92 wanderlodge wb40 for the engine controls to include the ignition switch and the rear ignition switch. I have the ddecII diagram but not the bus wiring to the engine.

thanks in advance
Stephen Borders

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Subject: 83 35FC fuel transfer pump location


Author:
Larry Brehmer
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Date Posted: 08/ 26/ 09, 7:44am

does anyone know where the fuel transfer pump between to the tank and racor is located on an 83 35FC.
I seem to remember someone told me years ago it was on the chassis drivers side rear near the tank. on the frame but I can't locate it.

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Subject: engine durability


Author:
Jeff Rasco (happy as a clam)
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 09, 9:21am

Interested in a mid 90's Wanderlodge. I have noticed that many get an engine rebuild around 100K miles. This seems early for such an engine. Why so early and what is the price range to have that done? Thanks. Jeff

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[> Subject: Re: engine durability


Author:
Bob T
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Date Posted: 08/ 24/ 09, 9:21am

I have a mid 80's with a Detroit diesel that has 160,000 and doesn't smoke after first puff at startup. When I was looking I was told to stay away from Cat3208 from several people including a couple of excellent lifelong mechanics. The detroit purrs going down the road and if I continue to take care of maintenance I expect it to last another 160K. Good luck.

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Subject: 3208 cat hard to start


Author:
mark DADSON
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 09, 7:11am

Hi folks,

I am looking at buying 1970 Wanderlodge with a 1975 3208 but it seems to be resistiant to starting without ether, once it is going it is fine and the smokes clears up. Alternatively, it starts easily,without smoking if it has been previously plugged in. Seems to me that would be very inconvenient when travelling on the road to have to think about plugging in or using ether. Does anyone know if the starting can be improved with new injectors or is this simply the nature of the beast?

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[> Subject: Re: 3208 cat hard to start


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 08/ 20/ 09, 7:11am

sounds like your batteries are low since it starts easily while being plugged in.

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Subject: latches to hold grills on cooling radiators -1995 bird


Author:
stan. m
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Date Posted: 08/ 12/ 09, 6:44am

bodyman ruined latches when removing for bodywork. would like to replace with new ones.latches hold grills over cooling radiators on drivers side on 1995 wanderlodge.

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Subject: Pickup Fuel Pump


Author:
Ken Beeler
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Date Posted: 08/ 7/ 09, 7:23am

I have a 1983 Bluebird Wanderlodge...need advice as to where I Please feel free to call....I have several questions and would love to talk to a seasoned birder. Engine stalls at low rpms. Has rebuilt Jasper 3802 with less than 4000 miles runtime. Phone 812-697-0212.

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Subject: Bluebird Magazine.


Author:
Brian Cloke
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Date Posted: 08/ 5/ 09, 8:28pm


Is there such a thing as a Bluebird Magazine ?
Thanks
Brian.

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Subject: '84 side mirror


Author:
Richard Miles
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Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am

looking for a passenger side mirror for an '84 FC.
Only need the glass replacement, the frame is fine.
Would anyone know where to locate one?
Thx, Richard

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[> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Haorld Prescott
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 7:28am

Richard, If you can get the screws out of the mirror itself, the glass can be replaced.

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[> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Richard Miles
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Date Posted: 07/ 30/ 09, 6:36am

would you know a place for replacement glass?
have been calling around locally with no luck.

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: '84 side mirror


Author:
Harold Prescott
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Date Posted: 07/ 31/ 09, 9:04am

I would suggest a local glass company. They will have to cut some mirror stock to your spec's.

Harold

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Subject: Warm Welcome


Author:
Jim Walters
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Date Posted: 07/ 27/ 09, 3:55pm

We have been taking a trip from home to Chicago to visit my oldest daughter and her family and parked at the truck stop at the intersection of 41 and 26 in Oshkosh. Got the Harley out of the trailer and rode over to the EAA. Located the Vintage Birds group and some others randomly parked by themselves. Unfortunately there weren't too many around, they were all at the air show, go figure! But I finally got to meet some other Birders. First met Dorothy Helland and apparently Nancy Brookshire was parked next door. She came over when she heard us talking. Had a great conversation and while we were there John Heck-Man came over. I introduced myself but I think he may have been pre-occupied. Don't think he recalled when I went to check out a Wanderlodge in Angola, IN for him. Too many things going on to remember everything, I'm sure. Anyway, the rains were coming and so we split and went back to the truck stop before we got drowned on the bike. I am sitting here at this moment waiting for the rain to stop and hopefully get over to Camp Scholler again and meet some more Bird owners. The two ladies were a great start to what I believe will be an outstanding experience.
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Subject: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider


Author:
Anita
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 5:12am

approx 2"X1/2" hard plastic type slider/spacer, 4 to each chair, mine have decinegrated/broken where can these be purchased, bluebird equipment for captains chairs

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[> Subject: Re: slider/spacers for captains chairs slider


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 07/ 24/ 09, 5:12am

Anita, with a lot of these coaches that we have remodeled, some folks use metal washers as spacers. Cheap and easy to find. Ernie

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Subject: For sale birds at OSHKOSH?


Author:
Elliot Harris
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Date Posted: 07/ 23/ 09, 7:33pm

Wondering if any for sale birds will be at Oshkosh? Great chance for wannbees to see 'em.

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Subject: generator starter on 87fc35


Author:
bob maloney
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Date Posted: 07/ 20/ 09, 5:07am

does anyone know an easy way to get to the starter on a 87 fc 35
tks bob maloney in ky

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Subject: purchasing vintage Blue Bird


Author:
Pat Karpf
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Date Posted: 07/ 19/ 09, 4:17pm

We are considering the purchase of an early 80's Blue Bird Wander Lodge. Can you give us a quick lesson it valuing?
The NADA shows avg. price approx. 10,000, but I see some listed at 40,000+ and then some at closer to 20,000. How do we know what to offer?
Also, we know it needs some body work (not to bad) but what are other things that may need special attention. This will be our first RV and probably our last. We are retired and will use it for a few years God willing.
We know anything this old requires ongoing maintenance but we would like to not have too many surprises.
Thanks,
Pat

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Subject: starter


Author:
bob maloney (gen starter)
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Date Posted: 07/ 14/ 09, 12:56pm

does anyone know an easy way to get so starter on 87 fc

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Subject: Hot water heater


Author:
Prime Time Coach
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 09, 4:14am

I own a 1985 FC35 that needs a hot water heater. Has any one replaced one. If so where did you get the water heater?

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[> Subject: Re: Hot water heater


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 12/ 09, 4:14am

Stephen Birtles 77fc35

http://www.dupreeproducts.com

telephone 888 668 4288
or 905 328 0162

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Subject: hot water heating system


Author:
Mitch
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 09, 10:17am

My friend has a 1983 Wanderlodge he is repairing the hot water system for the domestic water supply. We are wondering if we can get a copy of a "blueprint" or an "as built" which would show the layout and general or specific design of this system. He has a 35 foot model with the Cat 3208 in the front. Unfortunately, the bus was left with water in the system during freeze-up over the winter by the previous owners. The entire system needs repaired potentially, maybe even the ice maker and on-demand hot water heater under the kitchen sink. Thanks for any leads to a visual diagram which shows something similar to his layout.

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[> Subject: Re: hot water heating system


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 07/ 2/ 09, 10:17am

Most drawings and schematics will be found here;

http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/

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Subject: 1980 FC CAT engine replacement


Author:
Dan
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Date Posted: 06/ 23/ 09, 9:07pm

Any tips on the best way to pull the motor and trans would be appreciated.

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Subject: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
Ray
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm

Hi everyone. My question may sound strange, but here it is: Has anyone out there ever seen or known of a Wanderlodge with bunks in it? I'm assuming they would have to be an aftermarket redo. I love my PT35, but it's kind of small for the family. If anybody has ideas, I would appreciate them.

Thanks.

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[> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
NH Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 6:08pm

There was a 85FC known as "Linda Lou's Lucky 4 Band"

I think it was sold within the past couple of weeks at auction. Was in pretty rough shape. It had been converted to bunks in the back for a family that traveled as a band.

Here is a link to a thread on another forum that was about this coach.

< http://www.wanderlodgeownersgroup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3123&highlight=Bunk+Beds >

NH Bill 1983 FC 35 "Casa Billisa"

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[> [> Subject: Re: Bunks in a Bluebird


Author:
Ray (Ray Daugherty)
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Date Posted: 06/ 19/ 09, 7:05pm

Thanks Bill. The info is appreciated.

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Subject: fixing 8" well water pvc pipes


Author:
mikeal curtis (inquisitive)
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Date Posted: 06/ 8/ 09, 7:15pm

I have 8" pvc pipes that exploded, full of well water that goes to a new subdivision. what is the best way to repair it for cheap?

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Subject: Oil Pressure gauge


Author:
John O. Rud
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 09, 3:39am

Does anyone know what is the model of the Teleflex oil pressure gauge on a 88 XXV wanderlodge.
Thanks in advance.

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[> Subject: Re: Oil Pressure gauge


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 06/ 6/ 09, 3:39am

The problem may be the oil pressure sensor, If it looks like this oil pressure sensor on the right lower side of this generator, The old Bluebird is #3811254.
I can not find the guage number, will keep looking....

http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/52361795


Call a BB school bus dealer, They will give you the manufacturers # or will sell the part. $ 55.00 four years ago.

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Subject: generator wiring


Author:
william clay (still hopeful)
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Date Posted: 06/ 4/ 09, 1:51pm

Hi again everyone,I had written the question yesterday about the control box wiring,what I forgot to say was,the wiring to the control,was maybe from the remote start system and I did not unhook it,it was unhooked & the genset was also completely removed. So back to the last question about the wiring, can someone tell me which color wire goes on what number terminal....THANKS AGAIN.!!!!!

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Subject: GENERATOR wiring


Author:
bill clay (hopeful)
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Date Posted: 06/ 3/ 09, 7:09pm

Hi everyone, I`m working on an 1983 or 84 bird with a kohler/perkins 12.5 genset,the problem i have now is the wiring to the terminal strip in side the base control box. the terminals on the strip are labeled the problem is the wires to the strip from the remote start switches are not, the unmarked in comimg wires are-purple,brown,blue,green, yellow & black,.if any one can tell me which terminals these go on,I would be very greatful, the print i found was`nt very helpful...THANKS FOR YOUR TIME..

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Subject: Old vs Older!


Author:
Rich Franco
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 09, 10:42am

Hello to all,
I'm going to be in the market for one of these coaches and really the question is: Do I get a sorta new coach, 90's or find an older coach and spend some time and money getting it back in shape? I'm in Orlando, Fl and assume that there are a few places to have the work done, if needed. My range would be $20,000 to $80,000 for this coach. And we might spend a year or so living in it.
Thanks,
Rich

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Mr C.
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Date Posted: 05/ 13/ 09, 5:49am

I would take my time and look carefully. It took me about a year to find a later 80's coach that was and still is in beautiful shape. These coaches are worth the investment. Have fun but don't rush.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Rich
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Date Posted: 05/ 14/ 09, 12:34pm

Mr. C,
Thanks for the info. Are there any really good years or any bad years I should be aware of? In your opinion, what the best year/motor/size to look for?
Rich

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Mr. C
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Date Posted: 05/ 15/ 09, 7:29am

In my searches I leaned toward 1985 or later. I did not like the FC (forward control/engine up front) models just as a personal preference. The rear pushers seem easier to work on and have more underneath storage. There was a guy in Florida selling an 86 that looked like it was in nice shape. Check Ebay, Craigs list and RV trader. Good luck.

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
happyday09 (happy)
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 09, 11:44pm

Agree with Mr. C. -- go with a diesel pusher, mid-late '80s. You won't find a newer one that's also well maintained in your price range. Friend works with a dealer and reports lots of problems with the newer models. Our '88, previously one owner, is amazing!

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[> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:26pm

Hello,

Busses are very expensive to have worked on, if your looking for simular quality as new. And you can be nickel and dimed to death. If your willing to do much of the work yourself, not so bad. The newer the bus is, the greater the likelyhood that the recent owners still could afford to mainetane that bus...

The difference between a 1980, 1987, 1994 can be as if walking through a time machine. The wiring, for example, is much better thought out in my 1987, than my old 1980. The paint on my 1987 is much nicer than on my 1980, price a quality paint job... But some people really liked the rustic look of the 1980 (but one neighbor hated it!)

A FC will get better fuel economy than a pusher, and have less push and more noise up front. There is more storage in a pusher. But FC's can be smaller, which might be desirable.

This is a buyers market to be sure, more so last summer I suspect, even with the bad economy. Money talks, most "Buyers" are in fact dreamers. You could end up with a hell of a bus at the middle of your price range.

Regards.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Old vs Older!


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 28/ 09, 10:42am

I should also add that in my personal experience going from a 1980 FC to a 1987 PT is that service is more involved with the PT. Everything is MUCH larger on a PT from a regular maintenance standpoint(fluid and filters).

Keeping a 3208 serviced is not much different than a powerstroke or cummins on a pick-up truck, but a 92 series detroit is a substantually bigger beast. And is lagistically more involved, so far as adding and removing fluids.

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Subject: Battery System


Author:
Urnie Krueger
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 09, 4:40am

I have a 1983 FC35 and would like to be able to wire the batteries so one is used only to start and run and the others for the house power. It would be nice to get up in the morning and not have to jump start the unit.
I would appreciate it if anyone could send me a wiring diagram.

Thanks

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[> Subject: Re: Battery System


Author:
Sam
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Date Posted: 05/ 25/ 09, 4:40am

One Battery is not going to start your 3208. If you are running your batteries down at night( I assume you are dry camping)you can start your generator to kick your batteries back up enough to start the engine.

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Subject: transmission


Author:
todd
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:05pm

my 1982 has been sitting awhile now trans wont shift out of first gear is there any valves or soleniods that get stuck thanks

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[> Subject: Re: transmission


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 20/ 09, 3:05pm

Hello,

Verify with a partner that the shifter does in fact move the shift lever on the transmission; this slipped on my FC 1980 at the transmission. Both levers have detents for the same number of selections; after you've played with it a bit it becomes fairly easy to tell if your in the correct notch or not.

Hopefully it is something as simple as that. Low fluid, contamination maybe, or perhaps something broke. Is this a problem that worsend over time or occured with a bang, or the bus sat for years. A service manual could be a good starting place.

Regards.

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Subject: Radiator or radiator core


Author:
happpyday09 (happy)
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Date Posted: 05/ 18/ 09, 11:48pm

Any suggestions on where to find a radiator for an '88 Bird 8v92 Detroit pusher? An OEM part number would help. Thanks!

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Subject: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 6/ 09, 10:28am

Hi all,

My 2 foot stack of manuals is missing the page that tells me what the front air leveling valve is. I know that their are two simular (same?)in the back, but the one up front is leaking badly. Can anyone tell me what part this should be? Any help would be appreciated.

Regards,

Don
1987 PT-40
Beaverton, Oreong

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[> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 19/ 09, 5:40am

Our 88 FC has two height or leveling valves in the rear and one up front, This part works for us and is probably the same,
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1272546788.1237466239@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadegkgheddfcfkmcgfmdfoldflm.0&oid=149814

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 03/ 19/ 09, 5:44am

You may want to order a few PPV valves they leak around the housing, there are atleast two, or three or maybe four on your Bird.
http://www.ryderfleetproducts.com/cgi-bin/ryderfp/products/product_detail.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1272546788.1237466239@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadegkgheddfcfkmcgfmdfoldflm.0&oid=48389

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[> [> Subject: Re: Leaking Front Air Bag Leveling Valve


Author:
Don
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Date Posted: 05/ 6/ 09, 10:28am

Bill,

Thanks for the help, I purchased 3. Took about 1-1/2 hours to replace the valve up front, messy, but straight forward enough. A shop could probably get in done in an hour including paperwork if you handed them the part. Level height stayed the same and the bus will sit level overnight now. $30 each on ebay.

Regards, Don

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Subject: air operated oil fill....


Author:
william (joyful &learning)
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 09, 10:22am

does anyone know how the air powered oil fill system works and or what it is suppose to do? I can`t find anything in the books we have about it...

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[> Subject: Re: air operated oil fill....


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 3:39pm

The bulk oil system uses air and oil. The oil is added to the reservoir by the propane tank. You dial the amount of quarts to add to the crankcase and it is supposed to deliver that amount. I had one on my FC and never used it, as I did not know if the previous owner did not keep it clean and I did not want to dump some nasty stuff in the engine. I always just looked at the dipstick and take the oil inside. Of course, the system was designed to keep oil spills off your carpet. My current PT does not have that.

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[> Subject: Re: air operated oil fill....


Author:
Rich D.
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Date Posted: 05/ 5/ 09, 10:22am

On my 1990 PT40 the switch added air pressure to the oil tank allowing you to use the metered hand held nozzle to add oil to the engine oil fill. On my 1999 LXi43, the filler is plumbed to the engine oil fill. Simply (after activating the pressure switch) push the button to add engine oil.

If you are in doubt of what is in the oil reservoir, open it up when there is no air pressure and shine a bright light into it. You should see clean oil or, as Ernie says, don't use it.

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Subject: A/T switch


Author:
william (learning the bird one switch at a time)
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 7:39am

I`m working on this 1983 bird for my boss,he had just bought it,(needs alot of repairing).the operator manuel shows the dash lay out,and the switch on the upper r/h side of the dash says-(A/T),the manuel says this is the-A/T switch~~~~~DUHHH~~~,Maybe i`m just having a bad day,but does anyone know what this switch is to control. THANKS for any answers...

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[> Subject: Re: A/T switch


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 4:24am

Anti-theft,
It opens the ignition circuit

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[> [> Subject: Re: A/T switch


Author:
william (happy & learning)
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Date Posted: 05/ 3/ 09, 7:39am

THANKS Bill,I didnt think of that,now can you answer the one about the (air operated bulk oil system?) or do you know anyone who can?/ THANKS again!!

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Subject: need an engine compartment (view of one all together)


Author:
william clay (head ache,but hopeful)
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 09, 7:56am

HI all,Ive been working on this 1983 wanderlodge (3208 w/turbo).Its not mine,it was a basket case,wouldnt run etc,,.{got it running!!!!).I need a picture looking down on the engine to see where all the stuff mounts.It has the square type air cleaner(it was also missing) its coming along but to slow for me.... any photos would be a great help

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[> Subject: Re: need an engine compartment (view of one all together)


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 05/ 1/ 09, 7:56am

Lots of pictures at this site.

http://www.pbase.com/iamflagman/image/40166049

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Subject: BB,bulk oiler, plumbing & purpose..??


Author:
william clay (getting to know the bird~~~new to bird camper)
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Date Posted: 04/ 30/ 09, 4:57pm

I`ve been working on a 1983 wander lodge w/a 3208-turbo (getting it to run)-etc,, an does anyone know how the bulk oil is plumbed up and what is it`s purpose?? I think its mounted on the left side infront of the propane tank .. If any one can answer this, i`ll say I learned something today.. & I have some more questions...

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Subject: 1983 PT35


Author:
Ray Daugherty
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 8:05pm

Hello. I recently purchased a 1983 PT35. The reason for my post is that no matter how hard I try, I cannot locate any info on a 35 ft. PT. All the info I come across indicates 36 and 40 ft. lengths. I am very happy with the coach, has a few minor problems, but we really enjoy it.

Thanks, Ray Daugherty

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[> Subject: Re: 1983 PT35


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 2:35pm

Ray, If you look in the history section under model changes, it shows `83 PT's in 35' 38' and 40' but when you look at the pictures it shows a PT 36, I think that is one of those cases where the actual length was in between and sometimes it got called a 35' and sometimes a 36'. Maybe somebody else will jump in with more info. I have a FC 31 and it measures 30'10"
Dave,
Mesa AZ
1980 FC31 SB

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[> [> Subject: Re: 1983 PT35


Author:
Ray Daugherty (Ray Daugherty)
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Date Posted: 04/ 25/ 09, 8:05pm

Thanks for the help Dave. I looked at that section and it helped out. I appreciate your response. Happy motoring!

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Subject: Vertical clearance


Author:
Earl (happy)
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 09, 9:46am

Does anyone know the vertical clearance required for the Bluebird 1987 pusher and the 1987 forward control coaches?

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[> Subject: Re: Vertical clearance


Author:
Bill
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Date Posted: 04/ 18/ 09, 9:46am

A safe number would be 12 1/2 to 13 feet

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Subject: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
rtpn60
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Date Posted: 04/ 3/ 09, 8:02pm

I was looking at the limited room in my old 78FC35 for batteries. The original location is pretty good for the four 6v batteries in series-parallel, well vented easy access, and not a bad deep cycle "house" bank. But I want a seperate starting battery too. The area under the passenger side looks like a good place for an 8D starting battery and is located right next to the starter, and would still leave storage room for windshield washer fluid, and spare oils & anti-freeze.

The inverter mounted under the drivers couch would be a short run to the deep cycle batteries and keep my very expensive ProSine 2000 clean, dry, and safe. The only other bays I have is one under the kitchen with the old chargers, and one on each rear side of the bedroom. So my options are limited.

BUT, I do have some "extra" space between the holding tanks and front wheel on the drivers side and between the entry door and propane tank on the passengers side. Just needs an access door installed and I could expand my deep cycle bank if needed. OR I could use a couple of 12 volt starting batteries in the original 4x 6v bay under the drivers seat and put the 8D in the new location to free up the front passenger bay for the Prosine?

My only other variable is that i'm adding a Jacobs Retarder and it can draw up to 275 amps. On the school bus I'm removing this from it has a dedicated 8d battery and uses another 8d for starting with a 160 amp alternator. I'm wondering why they didn't just share the starter battery? Could be for longevity as maybe this large continous load can shorten the life of a starting battery? Could I run this from my house bank while in motion? Or should I also install another 8d in one of my new found spaces to copy the original school bus design? The small bay under the kitchen that housed the old chargers could be a dedicated batter bank for the retarder? Being mounted in the middle of the drive shafts the run wouldn't be too long.

Looking for other thoughts and opinions to see if I'm missing anything here? If 2 heads are better than one then this should be a real Picaso when completed!

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 02/ 6/ 09, 8:22am

Mike,
I don't know if you have a Redi-Line generator in the passenger side front compartment like I do, but I just read in the Redi-Line manual a few minutes ago that Batteries should NOT be mounted in the same compartment.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 10:45pm

No Dave I do not. They put those in after my 78 was built. The only thing in there now is a resevior for the windshield washer (that doesn't work) so I'm pondering what to do in that bay. The starter is about 12 inches from the bay so it seems a good place for a starting battery. Then use the normal battery spot for the house deep cycle batteries.

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
mike hohnstein
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Date Posted: 02/ 8/ 09, 7:35am

I have an 8D in the road side front, 4 6v AGMs and the Heart inverter/charger in the battery boiler bay and two Optima 12v on the gen set tray. They are all tied together going down the road, a battery combiner solinoid seperates the 8D when the ignition is off.
The original 'bird set up was only 4 6v and the retarder operated OK. Make sure you have lots of grounds, I cannot over emphisize the need for effective grounds, lots of them.
Last summer, I lost the ground path to the AGMs and the alternator went to 16 volts, not good at all. I had to unhook the alternator cable and run on the gen set to make it home. Turned out the faulty cable was @ the original battery box, wasn't easy to see. Cleaned up the connection and all was good. Of course this was after I replaced the two hundred dollar LeeceNeville voltage regulator.
Watch All the grounds my friend.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 7:39am

Thanx Mike. So you're not using your factory battery trays under the drivers seat or is that different on an '83? I'm thinking of the same arrangement but in diffenerent locations. Are you happy with the 4-6v battery setup for house? Do you boondock often?

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[> Subject: Re: Battery Thoughts on an Old Bird


Author:
Mitchell
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Date Posted: 04/ 3/ 09, 8:02pm

You should keep in mind that batteries often "leak" while being charged. If one battery is weaker than the others it may cause the alternator to over charge the others causing a boil over. Just be careful as to where you install them, consider where it "might" leak into. Just food for thought.........Bro ;}

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Subject: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:49pm

does anyone have # for wanderlodge parts or service the ones ive got just give a busy signal 24/7. also does anyone have those lock down knobs that hold the monitor panel down above front of driver on 1985 wanderlodge and what years did they use this style i would like to put back together original if not im open to sugestions thanks

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[> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 03/ 11/ 09, 5:30pm

Mike,
Apparently you haven't heard the sad news.
Blue Bird is shut down.
There have been notices on this and other forums.
For your question, I don't have an answer for you but I'm sure if you ask in on the Wanderlodge Owners Group forum, (link on previous page) you WILL get an answer in a short time.
You will probably get an answer here too but things seem to happen faster on W.O.G. Many of us belong to both and to other forums too.
With the factory gone these forums are all we have to get information and help one another.
Dave

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[> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:38pm

Dave im so sorry for all to hear this my heart sunk while reading your replie, it seems that with all these gov bailouts and business incentives something could be done. ive always believed that if there is a will there is a way but maybe those involved just lost there will, it would be easy during trying times as these. there are more resources than just banks grants are given for these cases but one has to know where to go and how to write it also. im just a construction worker in the nuclear industry if ive learned nothing else is 1 can make a dif! but the true strength is in numbers!!!!!!

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[> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:48pm

i found the latch not shure of size will contact co the latch is a pawl style compression latch and below is the copied description of the product on ebay i will send link in next msg so just copy from lft to right and down and paste in address bar then enter hope this helps someone

SOUTHCO ADJUSTABLE COMPRESSION LATCH 16-10-311-14

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: monitor panel knob


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 03/ 12/ 09, 2:49pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SOUTHCO-ADJUSTABLE-COMPRESSION-LATCH-16-10-311-14_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQitemZ170178782697QQptZMotorsQ5fRVQ5fTrailerQ5fCamperQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

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Subject: couch for bluebird


Author:
Betty Smith
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 6:26pm

I have looked everywhere for a new couch for our 1988 motorhome and cannot find any sites for the kind of couch that was put in them. I find the Jacknife sofas, and possibly they fit. Does anyone know where I can look or would the cost be about the same to have it reupholstered. Thanks Betty

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[> Subject: Re: couch for bluebird


Author:
Bruce
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 6:26pm

We just had our couch recovered. It is similar to the one you described. There are no couches on the market that will work if yopu have the heaters under the sofa. The entire couch can be disassembled and removed in pieces. If you send me your email I will send you some pictures of our sofa.

Bruce
birdshill123@yahoo.com

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Subject: fan motor bb98 w 500detriot


Author:
jack gallagher (desperate)
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 3:21pm

desperatly need fan motot for 1998 BB wander detroit 500hp engine..if u have one dont hesitate to call me 254 934 2525.bb parts not yet avaiable i tried. any sugesttions greatly appreciated

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[> Subject: Re: fan motor bb98 w 500detriot


Author:
Bob Lawrence
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Date Posted: 03/ 8/ 09, 3:21pm

Have you tried a school bus supply parts house?

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Subject: 87 BB 35'


Author:
Dan Sullivan
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Date Posted: 03/ 6/ 09, 10:50am

Looking for A driver side windshield installed around Houston.

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Subject: Windshield Moter Question


Author:
Steve Purdy
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Date Posted: 02/ 26/ 09, 2:22pm

I have a 1994 BB BMC 37' The windshield moter on the drivers side has quit working. Are these units seperately fused? Are they connected by a rod to one moter that may of fell off or are they seperate moters? Is there a place to purchase them still or are they pretty much standard like school buses?
Thank you in advance

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Subject: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
Tommy Rountree (Urgent)
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 4:21pm

All:

I know that rumors have abounded over the last several weeks concerning the demise of BB and Coachworks and from what I have read on this group and others that the "end" has arrived. There is a wealth of information in the possession of CCW that could be in danger of being lost forever. Those of us who have BB coaches are represented by three strong groups: Vintage Birds, Wanderlodge Owners Group and Wanderlodge Owners On-Line.
The members of these three groups represent hundreds of talented individuals from all walks of life. It seems to me that the time has arrived for everyone to come together and try to put together a unified group to attempt to acquire the data and make it available for all of us.
We may have only one chance to obtain and preserve the wealth of information that exists somewhere between Ft. Valley and Riverside.

What do you say, folks - that we collective start getting together a group to approach CCW's creditors, bankers, liquidators, etc. to try to preserve this information?

Three catastropic things could happen if we do nothing: 1) Some company will buy the BB name and assets (whatever they are) and produce an inferior product. 2) Somebody will obtain the data and profit from it at our collective expense. Or, 3) some liquidator will come in and destroy forever almost 40 years of knowledge that could be available for everyone to use for years to come.
__________________
Tommy
1994 WLWB 40
FMCA #31522

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[> Subject: Re: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 10:08am

The wanderlodgeforum.org has 1500+ members. I guess you could call that a significant number of owners and wannabees?

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[> [> Subject: Re: Ft. Valley Closed


Author:
tommy rountree
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Date Posted: 02/ 24/ 09, 4:21pm

Ernie I have posted now on all four groups - if there are any more out there, let me know.

Tommy in Alabama
1994 40' WLWB
FMCA # F31522

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Subject: slide seal for M380 Bird 2003 model


Author:
Jamie Erwin
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 09, 6:04am

does anyone know where I can purchase a seal for the galley slide on a 2003 Bluebird M380? or does anyone know who makes these seals, they are not HWH seals Thanks in advance.

Jamie Erwin

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[> Subject: Re: slide seal for M380 Bird 2003 model


Author:
wayne (driven)
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Date Posted: 02/ 21/ 09, 6:04am

Hi Jamie, the air seals are supposed to be made by Bottoms & Associates and they are located in Georgia. They are still in business and the seals are available. Supposedly HWH also makes a seal to the same specs that could be used.
Jamie, how long have you had your M380 and how do you like it? I am looking at coachs and that model is one I was thinking about.
Wayne

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Subject: cat belt conversion


Author:
mike
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Date Posted: 02/ 18/ 09, 1:59pm

1985 FC 3208 cat turbo, does someone make a serpentine belt conversion for our older cats, seems would be more reliable but maybe not cost worthy.appreciate any input. mike.

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Subject: water lines


Author:
mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 9:10pm

hi everyone, i just want to thank ernie for the input the jacks work fine since topping off it still leaks but havent gotten under yet. anyways in trying to save a buck i never hooked up electric last winter and didnt drain system well weve got a leaker now ive got the accumulater that broke under the single bed drivers side and also broke the large filter under the kitchen sink i talked to bb last yr and they said would try and find and never called back and i havent been able to find on net either its about maybe 18 inches tall and has a 45 fiting at top and bottom. if anyone knows where to get these items i would appreciate i spliced it with water line i still have leaks but ill just hav to track down 1 at time mike(miami ok) nukelabor@yahoo.com cl #918-320-1464

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[> Subject: Re: water lines


Author:
Darrell Hicks (Southky)
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Date Posted: 02/ 11/ 09, 11:33pm

Recently purchased 88 fc from Tenn Rv . I Believe quite possibly that unit was not winterized correctly because of two leaks already found . While filling with fuel a quite large amount of water came out from bottom of coach in the area you described, but because of the weather have not had a chance to pinpoint. In the next few days I hope I have a chance to examine where water came from. In any case, if you find out anything else about replacement, or a fix, it would be greatly appreciated to send me info, or maybe I could call you if ok. Thanks Darrell

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[> Subject: Re: water lines


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Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 5:25am

Most of these accumulators have been bypassed. mine does not work and do just fine without it. Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: water lines


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mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 12/ 09, 9:10pm

thg accumulator has an air valve was its original purpose to pressurize lines to flush, thats all i can think of also if not need then it would be a good place to replace qith a good filter. do u have any suggestions as to a preferred filter. i believe there is the original manuals for my unit but i cant find them at this time the coach has been in dry dock so to speak last couple yrs as my dad had a return battle with cancer, he has just finished his final course of chemo and has done well plus hes 87 we all have been amazed. anyway im ready to try and get back on course i love this rig and am eager to get her back in use my next biggie is replace the dry rotted michelin on back its a shame cause they still have full tread but cracked bad. u haven't lived until you have a front tire blow out on you actually dissintegrate thank god for all those belts the rim never touched the ground. mike

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Subject: Water Heater Element


Author:
Dave Ward
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 3:41pm

I need to replace the electric heating element in the water heater of my 1980 FC-31.
Nameplate says Raritan Engineering, Millville, N.J.
It is a 1250 watt element, looks fairly normal but is old style 4 bolt mounting rather than screw in element. Any help appreciated.
Dave
VB-1508
1980 FC-31

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[> Subject: Re: Water Heater Element


Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 8:33am

Hey Dave, so you found out the element was bad? I think Raritan Engineering is no more? I ended up replacing mine with a Kuuma Products 11 gallon water heater from Randy Dupree at www.dupreeproducts.com for about $242 plus $55 shipping to Mesa.

It's almost a direct replacement but due to mounting issues it interfers with my 50amp power receptacle. I'd really like to keep it in the recessed space but am considering raising the bed 1/2" so the water heater can be adjusted anywhere under the bed to accomodate easier plumbing.

I'll have the bus over at the house this Wed & Thur if you'd like to stop by, Camino & Santa Barbara.

Cheers,

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[> [> Subject: Re: Water Heater Element


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Dave
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Date Posted: 02/ 9/ 09, 3:41pm

Mike,
I found a web site for Raritan and I can buy the element direct from them but am going to see if there is anyplace that has it locally before I order it.
I did get a reply from John Finn on the other board saying that Dupree products is a Raritan dealer.
I'll definitely try to come by while you have the coach at the house.
Dave

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Subject: leveling jacks


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mike bresnehen
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:22pm

hi everyone, ive got a 1985 35fc rb, could someone advise me as to what type of oil is used in the jack system and how full is reservoir to be filled and also is there a rebuild kit for jacks as 1 is leaking but still works but all will not extend far before recycling im assuming because of low fluids but not shure.

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[> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


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Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:47am

Mike, transmission fluid is in your hydraulic system. Retract the jacks, and fill the tank. The tank does not have to be full. Is the jack or the actuator leaking? Ernie-83PT40 in Texas

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[> [> Subject: Re: leveling jacks


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mike
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 5:22pm

ernie, thanks for the reply in reference to the leak i havent isolated it other than its the drivers rear leaves puddle. i believe the cause was my fault as i drove bb for about 150 mile before noticing i had not turned of jack pump switch and levers were all in retract position if trans fluid what type should be used dexron 3 seems most common

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Subject: BMC 1994 Hydraulic jacks


Author:
Steve Purdy
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Date Posted: 02/ 7/ 09, 12:43pm

Couple of questions about a 1994 BMC Bluebird 37.5 ft. I just purchased the unit with 43,000 miles with a 8.3L turbocharged diesel. Unit had been sitting for a few years
1. ECU on the transmission is bad. Are there any used parts suppliers for these
2. Brakes will not build up pressure to unlock parking brake. Compressor is working. Any suggestions
3.Cannot get the hydraulic jacks to operate No power to control panel from what I can tell. Are they fused<
4, And lastly it has a combo washer/dryer splendid model and I can't figure out how to open the door.
Unit was inherated to the person I purchased it so he has no information of the unit. I have always wanted one and this was one way I could do the work and enjoy the benefits. I am mechanically inclines just need some guidance on where to go from here.
Thank You for your time,

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Subject: general


Author:
CARY BROOKS
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 09, 2:15pm

Hi guys, I'm a 1st time poster, but I've follow this site for a number of years. I'm in the market for a coach (3-5 years)& I've decided on a Bluebird. I even have my wife on board with the whole idea! But my questions are many. I have looked at the coaches for years and I'm pretty familar with years, models, powertrains etc. My budget has me in a mid to late 80's coach. Problem ONE is, I've never driven one. I grew up with a Newell (please don't hate me it was an awesome bus) in our family, and was bitten by the coach bug at a very early age. I'm very certain I can handle one; But would really like to drive one to know what I'm in for. Secondly, I would really like to hear some thoughts on what I should be looking for in a coach. Far beyond "Clean inside & out" and "only driven on Sundays to church and back". I mean questions like, Cat VS Detroit, 8V92 VS 6V92, Allison VS Zf trans. I undersatnd that the year and model will have a great deal to do with powertrain combo's.I've been thru "Buzzy's checklist" which is helpful. But are there any combo's that are an "Ideal" set up in the rigs? What I'm hoping to find is a PT40. Any thoughts would be a great help. I have lot's and lot's of questions; Hope it will be OK to pick everyone's thoughts.
I've noticed that none of these bad boys have spare tires.?
So..... Whattya do? I'm all over the tire maintenance thing; but you're in Hells Half Acre and you lose a tire.
Looking forward to hearing some thoughts Cary Brooks Valparaiso IN

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[> Subject: Re: general


Author:
Ernie Ekberg
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Date Posted: 02/ 2/ 09, 3:30pm

Cary, the first thing to look for in a perspective coach is mileage. If it has low miles and is 20 years old, that may be a problem. Second I would look at if there are any body fluids leaking on the ground. 6v's- which I have a PT40 is underpowered. I can live with that. 8v's are more powerful and can pull hills without downshifting. BMC's are nice, also but were built in the 90s.
AS for a blowout- get Coachnet roadside assistance. It is available from around $125+ a year. Money well spent. Ernie

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[> [> Subject: Re: general


Author:
CARY BROOKS
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Date Posted: 02/ 2/ 09, 4:41pm

Ernie, Thanks for the input. Not real sure what the BMC is. I've seen them for sale labled as Bluebirds but I noticed they are built on a Spartan chasis, and they don't look like a Wanderlodge. Were these a "budget coach" line? I've also noticed alot of Wanderlodges for sale that show rebuilt or replaced powerplants, but the total mileage on the coach in most cases is under 150K miles. It has me a bit suspicious; I've always heard that diesel engines were barely "broken-in" until 200k miles. Could it be a sign of neglect/abuse? Thanks in advance, Cary

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: general


Author:
Ernie
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Date Posted: 02/ 5/ 09, 2:15pm

The BMC's were introduced as the "affordable" way to own a Wanderlodge. They are built just as well, not as many features, but on a Spartan chassis. I would not hesitate a bit to own one of these.As to the powerplants. Yes, with more hours and days of just sitting, things deteriorate rather quickly.

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