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Matt Terwilliger and Jamar Butler matching up this afternoon -- bearcatattack, 12:07:10 12/07/02 Sat
Matt T's Troy squad travels up to Lima this afternoon to take on Jamar.Ill try and give a full report

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- A friend of mine -- KB, 13:28:56 12/07/02 Sat
- Jamar is what every UC recruit should be like.Scores 31 leads Shawnee over Troy with a 3 point play 76-74 -- bearcatattack, 00:08:20 12/08/02 Sun
- Butler had 29! -- KB, 00:10:02 12/08/02 Sun
  - I was close.great game.Story link in post -- bearcatattack, 00:29:37 12/08/02 Sun
  - Game winning 3 point play actually with 8 seconds left! (NT) -- bearcatattack, 11:46:17 12/08/02 Sun
Thank you football team!!! -- WacoBearcat, 18:01:57 12/07/02 Sat
Thank you football team!!! Because it's going to be a long, long year for the basketball team. This is the worst shooting team I have seen in a long time. This is definitely a transition year for Bearcat basketball.

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- Got to be the worst Bearcat Bball team with Huggs as coach. (NT) -- Billy Bearcat, 18:03:45 12/07/02 Sat
- This team will definitely test Huggs' coaching ability. -- Chatcat, 19:08:08 12/07/02 Sat
  - 18 for 60 from the Field.St Rita's School for the Blind could give UC shooting tips -- bearcatattack, 23:52:00 12/07/02 Sat
Bearcats Land White -- KB, 19:27:59 12/06/02 Fri
Per Teleps site!

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- Heck Yeah!!! (NT) -- coffeypt, 19:36:16 12/06/02 Fri
  - Now let's get Center with 5th scolly! -- KB, 19:52:23 12/06/02 Fri
    - Next up...Alexander Johnson! (NT) -- JP, 21:33:59 12/06/02 Fri
- Hey KB.... -- Marcus, 10:45:14 12/07/02 Sat
  - I agree on Johnson not Bender! -- KB, 11:17:45 12/07/02 Sat
Does anyone know what Steve Logan is doing? -- brenttm10, 12:39:54 12/06/02 Fri
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- yeah. he's screwing up his chances of playing nba ball. he's not talented enough to hold out for a whole season, and then come back and be productive. he'll probably be playing in the cba or something if he doesn't sign. i love steve logan, but he's really being an idiot. -- uc matt, 16:04:03 12/06/02 Fri
TO MARCUS AND MARCUS ONLY PLEASE! -- KB, 07:14:58 12/06/02 Fri
When will White commit to UC.As you know i have know sources but am a big fan.Really would like to know when he will announce for UC!

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- Know sources? No sources or known sources? There is a huge difference. (NT) -- Not Marcus, 09:43:42 12/06/02 Fri
- Is Kevin Bays not the one with assistant coaches Cell #'s -- C_USAFAN, 10:51:52 12/06/02 Fri
? Marcus!!!!!!!When Will White Announce for UC? -- KB, 22:24:30 12/05/02 Thu
If you say it's in the bag?????

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- Calm down Junior -- bearcatattack, 23:28:25 12/05/02 Thu
  - Bearcatattack, he was just asking a question. No need for this board to start crap again. (NT) -- BJ, 23:40:52 12/05/02 Thu
  - You are correct about being patient, though. (NT) -- BJ, 23:45:25 12/05/02 Thu
- Please attack!!!! You MUST worship kb hear -- revelation, 01:14:08 12/06/02 Fri
  - Here dumbass.Not hear -- bearcatattack, 01:33:10 12/06/02 Fri
James White - Mizzou Board -- W. Patrick, 08:53:16 12/05/02 Thu
I some info over at the mizzou board - they are basically conceding this one to Cinci - it seems there sources are stronger than what I am even seeing here - looks good
http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/display.php?message=519164&PHPSESSID=dc2fd5023952601937f821fd3b262845

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- It's amazing how we get blasted everywhere... -- evansvillebearcat, 12:51:54 12/05/02 Thu
  - Sour grapes. They got Albert White over us, and I don't remember everyone bad mouthing Missouri over it. Some program's fans just live in a delusional world filled with heavy denial. Hopefully from what's been said about James, he wouldn't go to Mizzou now even if the reports had been false. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 13:22:54 12/05/02 Thu
    - I hope your right Rob, but I doubt he read the Mizzou board. When is white supposed to announce? (NT) -- evansvillebearcat, 15:23:16 12/05/02 Thu
      - Ealier in the week, I had heard it would be either today or tomorrow. Not sure if those reports were accurate or not. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 16:58:22 12/05/02 Thu
        
        End of the this weekend it will be official -- bearcatattack, 20:48:03 12/05/02 Thu
AJ a Bearcat??????? -- X-Poster, 12:40:56 12/04/02 Wed
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- UC could still take Johnson -- bearcatattack, 13:07:14 12/04/02 Wed
- There will only be room if White chooses Missouri. -- JJ Powers, 15:02:38 12/04/02 Wed
  - Wrong! -- X-Poster, 16:18:51 12/04/02 Wed
  - Wrong on this one... -- Marcus, 23:16:47 12/04/02 Wed
    - IF White is in the bag???? -- KB, 23:26:07 12/04/02 Wed
Im told James White will transfer to UC for the Winter Quater -- bearcatattack, 15:36:35 12/04/02 Wed
Just got a email from a AAU coach that spoke with James White.Great news if true

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- Any other details you can relate? -- Bearcat Chad, 16:27:30 12/04/02 Wed
  - White has something like a 44 inch Vertical leap -- bearcatattack, 17:09:10 12/04/02 Wed
- What I was told tonight... -- Marcus, 23:18:51 12/04/02 Wed
  - So are they getting White???? -- KB, 23:23:34 12/04/02 Wed
Top 10 Sophomores in Ohio -- Chatter, 10:53:51 12/03/02 Tue
1 Jamelle Cornley 6'5 2005 PF Columbus OH Brookhaven

2 Travis Walton 6'1 2005 PG Lima OH Senior

3 Ross Morin 6'7 2005 PF Cincinnati OH Princeton

4 Ben Raymond 6'5 2005 WF Toledo OH St. Johns

5 Marcus Council 6'0 2005 PG Akron OH Garfield

6 Jason Snow 6'2 2005 PG Canton OH McKinley

7 Greg Orton 6'3 2005 2G Huber Heights OH Wayne

8 Dwayne Jackson 6'3 2005 2G Cuyahoga Falls OH Walsh Jesuit

9 John Wolfe 6'2 2005 2G Cincinnati OH St. Xavier

10 Rayshaun Hamilton 6'5 2005 WF Akron OH Center-Hower

I hear Cornley is the third best player in Ohio after LeBron James & Jamar Butler

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- Jonny Wolfe is a dawg. Hes already getting recruited by Duke and LSU. He attended Duke B-Ball camp this year and made 75% of his 3's. He's white too, and gonna be a good one. (NT) -- Bryan, 15:59:51 12/03/02 Tue
  - Cornelly is a HELL of a lot better than any other Ohio Sophmore -- bearcatattack, 17:59:58 12/03/02 Tue
  - I don't care if he is green! If he can shoot the 3 like Field, let's sign him up. (NT) -- JJ Powers, 09:09:01 12/04/02 Wed
  - J dub -- Willis, 22:30:34 12/04/02 Wed
- Johnny Wolf -- Willis, 22:27:39 12/04/02 Wed
Looks like Johnson is interested in UC yet again -- bearcatattack, 12:57:36 12/04/02 Wed
Not sure if UC will take any more midnight phone calls from Johnson backing out of his commitment

A week ago the first school mentioned by 6'10 Alexander Johnson from North Bridgton (Bridgton Academy) ME when we talked with him at the War on the Shore National Prep School Invitational Tournament in Milford, DE, on Sunday, November 24th, was the University of North Carolina. However, now it looks like Cincinnati is once again the "flavor of the day." And this would make perfect sense, because the Bearcats came close to getting Johnson the first time around a year ago.As a matter of fact, Johnson even mentioned this fact when he gave us his list of schools, which included North Carolina, Alabama, Cincinnati, Duke, and Georgia, at the War on the Shore.

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- Well, let's hope UC is the one that eeks it out this time. I'm anxious about JW first. (NT) -- BJ, 16:37:33 12/04/02 Wed
Any news on White? D-day is coming! -- Bearcat Chad, 09:30:36 12/04/02 Wed
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Any news on White? -- Bearcat Chad, 16:15:01 12/02/02 Mon
I hope he's Cincy bound!

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- http://www.showmenews.com/2002/Dec/20021202Spor001.asp -- bearcatattack, 16:17:16 12/02/02 Mon
- on james white -- BIGMAN, 08:01:57 12/03/02 Tue
My trip Lima!(LONG) -- KB, 12:46:24 12/01/02 Sun
1st of all i would like to thank all the nice people of Lima.For making me and my family feel at home.Not going to mention names but they know who they.(GREAT TIME).He's my thoughts on the games i saw.Jamar played very well friday nite scoring 20 points in the 1st half and 20 points in the 2nd half.To finish with 40 also chipper in 6 asts(could have had more) if his teamates could finish.Very good game to watch up and down type game Shawnee won 88-74.Thats the type game Jamar loves.Saturday Jamar had off shooting nite.Missed 11 in a row at 1 point.But came up big at crunch time to score 9 in the 4th qrt.As far as the things he does well.He's biggest strenth is making his teamates better.GREAT PASSER.Also has gotten a lot more athletic and stronger in the last few months.Still looks to be 6-2 or 6-3.But now looks to be about 180-185.More later.

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- Spelling! -- KB, 14:20:11 12/01/02 Sun
- Thanks for the report. (NT) -- BJ, 21:25:19 12/01/02 Sun
  - Me too, thanks K. (NT) -- coffeypt, 23:25:54 12/01/02 Sun
- Northwest Ohio Basketball is Solid -- bearcatattack, 00:45:26 12/02/02 Mon
  - BearcatAttack. Thanks for letting us know where you played (NT) -- WhoCares, 15:09:05 12/02/02 Mon
    - If you don't care where he played, then why would you waste precious time in your day to let him know? Unless your time is worthless.... (NT) -- JMac, 15:50:27 12/02/02 Mon
james white -- TW, 17:37:56 11/29/02 Fri
Any news on James White? Heard he was visiting Missouri this weekend.

GO CATS'

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- Early word out of Columbia is that J White really liked Missouri. The rumor mill out of Columbia has him committing there by the end of next week. -- John J. Powers, 10:13:11 12/02/02 Mon
Jamar Butler goes for 40 in opening night against Elida. -- bearcatattack, 23:40:42 11/29/02 Fri
post morem recruit Tack Minor looks like unreal lately as well,Scored 72 points against top 20 Junior Daniel Gibson,Tack is not a PG but damn the kid can score.Maybe when LSU fails to do anything as usual he will consider transfering

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- As good as Tack is.....he's a problem on the basketball court with his selfishness. He will probably turn out to be a great player, but he reminds me some of Kenny Satterfield.....how many games did he lose for us calling his own number? Good luck Tack. Can you provide a link for the info on Butler? (NT) -- Chatter, 10:18:06 11/30/02 Sat
  - Had to wait until the morning papers -- bearcatattack, 10:35:02 11/30/02 Sat
    - I figured it up......Tack is averaging 44 points per game so far. 28, 33, and 72 points in his first 3 games. Unreal. (NT) -- Chatter, 14:07:40 11/30/02 Sat
- That's Funny BearcatAttack , Haven't you said all along you didn't want Tac? Now you hope he transfers? (NT) -- AZ CAT, 11:29:07 11/30/02 Sat
  - Negative -- bearcatattack, 11:39:31 11/30/02 Sat
    - I would love to say something negative about Tack Minor, and other than his selfishness, I keep remembering the recruiting experts conveying how nearly impossible he was to guard. That is definitely a weapon. Although he had several games where he was 0fer also. I would have liked to have seen him in a Bearcat uniform, but I also concede their may have been tension with Huggs and other players if he was a ballhog. (NT) -- Chatter, 14:01:12 11/30/02 Sat
Future Bearcat from hometown Cincinnati and current teammate of Mike Pilgrim? -- Chatter, 13:17:33 11/27/02 Wed
Norm Plummer. Didn't he go to Fairfield? I think he's currently at Brewster Academy with Pilgrim. Hoop Scoop says he'll be in prep school for 2 years, but revealed they were surprised how good he was and I guess he'll be moving up their list of 5th year players. Possibly a guy we should be keeping an eye on? Here's the scoop from Hoop Scoop:

"Plummer is one of these guys who was a senior a year ago, but who is now trying to pass himself off as a junior, because he plans to be in prep school for two years. However, for our purposes he's a 5th year player this year and he'll be a 5th year player again next year. We also question Plummer's outside shooting, but after a 20-point performance on Saturday against Milford (Academy) CT and a 32-point and six-steal performance yesterday against Hargrave Military Academy, there is no doubt in our mind that he was one of the top 10 players here based on performance." - Hoop Scoop

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- Clark Francis is an idiot... -- The Facts, 08:29:10 11/30/02 Sat
  - If this kid shines above Pilgrim, does UC take a look at him for the Class of 2004? How good is he? Is he as good as Francis makes him out to be? -- Chatter, 10:20:20 11/30/02 Sat
Alexander Johnson a name from last year -- bearcatattack, 12:42:26 11/25/02 Mon
Will not be attending Georgia next season,Alabama has commitments from a bakers dozen big men for next season as well,Akini Adkins,Shawn Taylor and Jemario Davidson.To bad UC will be out of scholarships thier would not be a better understudy to Whaley than Johnson for 1 season.

MILFORD, Del. - Alexander Johnson is spending this school year in Maine for a reason - to qualify for NCAA play. But the merit of that goal doesn't mean the kid has to like the journey to get there.

Such is Johnson's current existence at North Bridgton (ME) Bridgton Academy.

"Ain't nothin' up there but trees," the Georgia post player said Saturday night here at the War on the Shore. "It takes 45 minutes to get anywhere. I just watch football games and talk on the phone. No good food, either - ain't no soul food."

But there is promise of a different destination come next fall. According to Johnson, Alabama is the only school recruiting him hard right now, but Indiana, Oregon and Colorado apparently are sniffing around.

He can't go to Georgia - his original commitment coming out of high school - because the Bulldogs are out of grants for members of the Class of 2003.

Rest assured, though: He'll end up somewhere.

"He's ready to play at the next level," Bridgton assistant Al Lewis said after Johnson had 20 points and 10 rebounds in a win over Burlington (NJ) Life Center.

"He could help a lot of teams right now. He needs to work on playing had all the time, but he has all the tools necessary to be very good at the next level."

Including an effective jumper. He made good on four of his five three-point attempts Saturday night.

"I'm a big man," Johnson explained, "but I like to step out and face up. I'm really focusing on my mid-range game right now."

As for a choice in the spring?

"I just want a good coach," he said. "A coach who lets his big men step out and take the three every now and then."

He'll take another shot at the SAT in December.

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- He's not coming to UC.....I don't believe they're recruiting him, most likely from getting screwed by him at the last minute. He'll most likely resurface at that cheating Georgia school. (NT) -- Chatter, 11:50:24 11/29/02 Fri
To anyone I have offended over the past couple of months...I apologize. The bottom line is we are all bearcat fans. Let go cats! -- The Truth Hurts, 19:53:32 11/26/02 Tue
and that even goes out to you Egg.

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- The truth apologizes.......it must be Christmas season! (NT) -- Chatter, 11:49:05 11/29/02 Fri
uc basketball -- big paul, 07:51:24 11/27/02 Wed
hey bearcat fans i was wondering if anyone heared anything about this guy brandon bender at cicnicnnati state is uc recruiting him are what?

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- The only people that really know for sure are Huggins, Bender, LeGree and Dick Vitale. (NT) -- John J. Powers, 09:07:39 11/27/02 Wed
- I was listening to Lance's show the other day and I caught the tail end of something where he was saying that he had talked to Cincinnati State's coach and he said UC's coaches have had zero contact with him regarding Bender. Never say never, but I'd say there's a 99.9% chance Bender doesn't play for UC. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 13:12:43 11/27/02 Wed
- Obviously, all our info is wrong. The guy isn't coming to UC. I read on rivals a while back that he was considering UAB. (NT) -- Chatter, 11:48:09 11/29/02 Fri
Brandon Bass -- Chatcat, 12:33:21 11/27/02 Wed
Has Brandon Bass committed to or signed with anybody ?

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- No,UCONN is said to have the lead -- bearcatattack, 12:58:04 11/27/02 Wed
- Occasionally, I think if Bass waits until Spring that he might reconsider UC as his options diminish. Although with White possibly coming and Pilgrim already signed, I guess the SF and PF positions are taken. Had he signed with UC early, I believe Pilgrim would not be a Bearcat. I think Bass is stupid for waiting as long as he has. Clearly, the college recruiting game has changed, and players need to choose sooner or watch their choices diminish. (NT) -- Chatter, 11:46:49 11/29/02 Fri
I was told today that transfers to not count against recruiting...... -- Chatter, 17:25:41 11/26/02 Tue
....meaning, if we get White.....we can still sign one more for our 4 scholarships....Pilgrim, Whaley, Nick Williams...and ??????. I was told transfers are not including in recruiting classes or count in the 5/9 rule. Anyone know the truth?

That would explain why Huggs is planning on bringing in 5 studs next year.

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- If a player is awarded a basketball schollie, at some point it will count as such. He could be given other grant in aid, such as the soph guard from Tx., but the NCAA watches these things closely (true?). (NT) -- beck, 07:57:10 11/27/02 Wed
  - Are transfers counted in the 5/8 scholarships rule is the question -- bearcatattack, 12:04:32 11/27/02 Wed
Robert Whaley update -- Chatter, 08:29:28 11/24/02 Sun
Whaley, Epperson lead Cougars to win over Grayson County

"The Barton County Community College men's basketball team improved to 8-0 for the year, winning during the first day of the Midland College Classic. The Cougars knocked off Grayson County by a 70-61 score in Midland, Texas.

No. 1 ranked Barton will play today at 5:45 p.m. against Odessa College at Midland.

Highlights
Some key runs propelled the Cougars to their second win over Grayson this season by just about the same final. Barton won earlier this year in Great Bend by a 72-59 score. Both games have been the lowest scoring outputs for the Cougars this season.

The first key run came in the first half with Barton County leading 16-13. The Cougars, keyed by eight points from Robert Whaley, went on a 12-4 run to push the margin to 28-17. Barton held that lead right around double digits for most the remainder of the first half.

Another big run came early in the second half after the Vikings bolted out of the gates to cut the lead to 39-33 with 16:30 to play in the game. Rodney Epperson played a key part in a 14-4 run over the next six minutes to give the Cougars a 53-37 lead. The big play in the spurt was a 4-point play by Epperson, who drilled a 3-pointer and added the free throw when he was fouled on the basket.

Grayson made one more run at Barton following the Cougars 14-4 run with a 7-0 run of its own to make it a 53-44 game. But a Whaley field goal and ensuing free throw, followed by a Justin Rose teal and an Epperson layup quickly pushed that lead back to 58-44. The lead remained double digits until the final minute as three 3�s by Grayson at the end of the game cut into the Cougar�s lead.

Whaley led the way for the Cougars 23 points on 10-of-18 shooting from the floor. Epperson added 20, hitting 4-of-8 3-pointers. The 20 points is a career-high for the Barton County freshman, surpassing his 19-point effort against SMS-West Plains.

Stats
Stats can be found at www.bartonccc.edu/sports

Coach Ryan Wolf comments
Playing Grayson is like playing Princeton, they are so patient with the ball. I felt we really did a good job of playing defense, especially in the first half. We forced four or five shot clock violations on defense and held them to one offensive rebound in that first half.

Beating Grayson by 9 is like beating some other teams by 20, since the pace is so slow. We had it up to 15 or so a few times but couldn�t get it up to 20. But then again, they really wouldn�t let you get away from them." - Barton County Website

Whaley had a "DNP" in their previous game......had me worried that he was punished or something. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't know about the kid's overall skills or if he's D-1 material in terms of playing defense and other things......but the Barton County frosh, 6'8" Rodney Epperson looks like a kid UC should recruit. Again, I'm not at their games, but on paper......he's 6'8" and shoots the 3 really well, can slash.......he seems to have a strong offensive game. Put it this way: He's the second scoring option on a JUCO team that has Louisville's top recruit, Nouha Diakite.....so that says something. Poop Scoop rates Diakite an "8" out of 10 in terms of talent.....so I guess since Epperson (a frosh, no less) must be rated about the same if he's carrying the secondary scoring load after Whaley.

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- More on Epperson -- Chatter, 08:39:59 11/24/02 Sun
  - funny you called them names (poop scoop) but yo put so much stock in there rating -- revelation, 17:02:33 11/24/02 Sun
    - The guy has played one division I game and didn't look that good and suddenly he's washed up. Bwahaaaa! You crack me up. Field Williams didn't look that good either. In fact, I remember Steve Logan's first game.....he didn't look that good. In fact, I remember alot of guys first games.......NONE OF THEM LOOKED THAT GOOD. Get a clue. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:54:56 11/24/02 Sun
Any word on whether White committed? -- Bearcat Chad, 20:44:53 11/24/02 Sun
Any tidbits on his visit?

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- Nobody will know for at least a week... -- snart, 21:44:14 11/24/02 Sun
James White and Dad with Huggs at Montgomery Inn -- Eggsavier, 00:30:31 11/23/02 Sat
Huggins always takes recruits to Montgomery Inn, usually in Montgomery as opposed to the boathouse. No UC Players were there.

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- White was wearing a Chrebet jersey at the game.... -- JMac, 11:27:32 11/24/02 Sun
Good Luck with James White -- W Brainard, 09:42:33 11/24/02 Sun
Hope James finds a good place. He's a good kid and very
talented. James needs a new start. Florida had its best recruiting year last year. I think it was Billy getting Christian Drejer that broke the camel's back. That means that James would have been competing for minutes with James Lee, 6-9 240 (beat James in the McD slam dunk last year and is a better player than James at this stage in his career), Bonnell Colas 6-9, 225 (a good player that James would compete with head to head), Mat Walsh, 6-6, 205 (plays inside/outside like Mike Miller, has 27, and 20 pts. first 2 games), Adrian Moss 6-9, 238 (a banger, rebounder with a double-double in 2nd game), and Drejer 6-9, 210, who may be the 2nd most talented member on this team (after Brett Nelson) and is listed as a guard! Florida has a deep deep team this year with 11 very good players and scorers (w/o James) Nelson, Drejer, and Colas are hurt and the team will be full strength in 3 weeks . That's too much for James. He needs less competition and more minutes to get better. If your roster has the space he's the guy, and he may be an impact player one day (and the day after that he will be in the NBA), but he is not yet competing at his potential.

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- Left out Matt Bonner from list White competed with at UF -- W Brainard, 09:51:42 11/24/02 Sun
nothing to do with recruiting... -- Potvin, 13:14:37 11/23/02 Sat
This doesn't have to do with UC recruiting but as a loyal Bearcat fan who lives in New Jersey I have a collection of 40 tapes from UC nationally televised games from the past five years and I'd like to get every game from this season on tape. I know most games are televised locally in Cincinnati and Ohio but since I don't live there I was hoping someone could make me a copy of tonight's game and other games that are not televised. I would reimburse anyone who can help me out and give some extra cash. If anyone can help me out email me at: Samhain425@aol.com or Potvin413@aol.com Thanks

Potvin

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White leaning towards Cincy!! -- Brent10, 07:33:28 11/23/02 Sat
James White is leaning towards UC. He likes UC style of play "wide open". He will visit Missouri next and make a decision in 2 weeks.

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Buford -- Cliff, 19:33:12 11/21/02 Thu
I listened to Anthony Buford on Lance's show and he is excellent. He said a couple of interesting things.

Huggins told him he is bringing 5 studs into the program next year. This statement is interesting in two ways. It confirms the number of available ships for next season, it also raises the question, even though we have only three players signed, does he have two more ready and waiting for the spring signing period.

It sounded like they will go hard after White from Florida, but they will want White to know what is expected of him if he decides to come here. He said White has some additional baggage aside from the fact he wanted to play more than 20 minutes a game as a freshman.

If White is the fourth recruit, who is the fifth? Could it be that Bender is in his plans as long as he keeps his nose clean? He plays the position we are looking for. I would prefer a player with more than two years of eligibility. We will be Junior heavy in my opinion.

In any event it appears we will have five new players next year so we can keep guessing on the fifth scholly.

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- fifth guy is bender according to vitale -- jdcat, 21:14:40 11/21/02 Thu
  - Sounds to me like vitale got cincy state confused with cincy but i do think it's a good possibility (NT) -- bearcatb, 21:49:36 11/21/02 Thu
- I think Buford said 5 as a general number......he could have just as easily said 4......I don't think it confirms anything. I think Mike Ryan or someone from the Post should contact Cincy State and try and get the scoop. (NT) -- Chatter, 06:32:56 11/22/02 Fri
  - If Bender becomes a Bearcat I'll give Rob my paycheck to split amongst the group of you. I just dont see it happening. -- Mike In Clifton, 08:08:52 11/22/02 Fri
    - Mike, why don't you just give ME the paycheck, so I can split it amongst myself! (NT) -- BJ, 10:57:23 11/22/02 Fri
As usual, all of your speculation is WRONG! ...AGAIN! NYCAT, good call (heavy sarcasm) -- The Truth is Back and Still Hurts, 06:43:40 11/21/02 Thu
From today's Enquirer:

Pilgrim's letter completes UC class

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The University of Cincinnati completed its fall recruiting class Wednesday when it received a signed letter-of-intent from Purcell Marian High School product Mike Pilgrim, a 6-7, 210-pound forward playing this year at Brewster Academy in Wolfeboro, N.H.

"Pilgrim really helps our athleticism," Huggins said. "He's as athletic as anybody who was out there on the circuit all summer."

Said assistant coach Andy Kennedy: "He's trying to make the transition from being primarily an inside guy to a combo forward who can make shots and put the ball on the floor."

James White, a 6-7 forward who received his release from Florida and has announced his intention to transfer to another school, will visit UC this weekend.

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- Please forgive me, Mr. Truth, for asking the obvious...But since you -- NY CAT, 09:49:10 11/21/02 Thu
  - Perhaps the obvious was that he signed the letter last week in New Hampshire, mailed it to his parents for signature....hmmmm, wonder why they call it a signing period when it should just be a day according to your and Eggsavier's thoughts. -- The Truth Hurts, 19:27:24 11/21/02 Thu
    - All the speculation was hilarious. I just ignored it. Most reasonable people didn't give it even a passing thought. (NT) -- JP, 19:49:24 11/21/02 Thu
    - What a short memory you have Mr. Truth...wasn't -- NY CAT, 19:53:02 11/21/02 Thu
      - Didn't forget Hiram and his mom...just had never heard Pilgrims parents come out and say they wouldn't want him to come to UC like Ma Fuller...anyway, NYCAT, I see your point....just thought some were jumping on Pilgrim for no reason. Anyway, here's looking forward to him in UC uniform next year. (NT) -- The Truth Hurts, 22:55:47 11/21/02 Thu
- Truth has got to go. Adds nothing but tries to piss everybody off. Acts like he is 12 years old. He would be much better suited to be a UK fan. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 10:29:03 11/21/02 Thu
  - Funny how quick Posters can turn on an 18 year old kid. Who knows why his LOI isn't here. No need to start bashing him. Just 3 weeks ago everybody was pumped about getting him. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 09:32:01 11/16/02 Sat ....which side of this are you on Eggonyourfaceasusual? -- The Truth Escapes Eggsavier, 19:32:21 11/21/02 Thu
    - TRUTH ARE YOU THAT STUPID? What part of "who knows why his letter isn't here don't you get" -- Eggsavier, 23:25:32 11/21/02 Thu
      - Can't believe I have to spell this one out for you Egg, but I reposted your post to show that one minute you were saying ease up on Pilgrim and the next your blasting me for posting the article and blasting the people who blasted him and speculated he was afraid to come her because of James White's interest, etc. That is why I asked which side of this argument were you on? -- The Truth Continues to Escape Eggsavier, 06:39:02 11/22/02 Fri
White visiting Cincy this weekend per Insiders. -- bearcatfanatic, 01:51:42 11/21/02 Thu
Insiders confirmed James White is visiting UC this weekend.They said UC will be pushing hard for committment before he leaves.If he does'nt committ he will be visiting Missouri.

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- White's visit -- TMac_bearcat, 23:39:53 11/21/02 Thu
Anyone else that Brandon Bender is a Bearcat???? ANy truth to this??? -- Bryan, 15:47:18 11/21/02 Thu
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- I found out he plays for Cincy State. He averaging in double figures. (NT) -- Bryan, 15:51:42 11/21/02 Thu
James White a Bearcat by the end of the weekend? -- Bearcatattack, 11:24:28 11/21/02 Thu
There might not be a better player to host James W than the person who's position he would take next year L Stokes.Stokes has made huge leaps in his game and physique in the last 4 years almost as big a testament to Huggs system as Burger King Steve Logan was 5 years ago.White could leave UC a top 10 lottey pick in 2 years.Include 25 lbs on his slight frame with his athletic ability and White will have that lottey money no question

James White is on the road this weekend. The former Gator will take his first official visit since the transfer.

Cincy To Host Forward

James White, a forward with three years of eligibility remaining, will make an official visit this weekend. White, according to our sources, will visit Cincinnati.

The visit is his first since opting to transfer from Florida two weeks ago. Our sources still think Missouri is likely to receive a visit should the Bearcats not capitalize on their opportunity. You can bet the Bearcats will push for a commitment with White on campus.

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Has UC received Pilgrims' LOI? -- Bearcat Chad, 18:37:54 11/19/02 Tue
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- Today is the last day of the Fall signing period...Is something going on behind the scenes? (NT) -- NY CAT, 10:44:29 11/20/02 Wed
  - The letter has to be signed today, but it can be delivered up to thirty days (I think) after the signing period and still be valid. As long as its dated, and probably notarized, by today. (inside) -- Mike In Clifton, 21:48:56 11/20/02 Wed
- yes (NT) -- oarphan54, 13:58:33 11/20/02 Wed
- Maybe (NT) -- Pressure, 15:25:01 11/20/02 Wed
  - Kinda (NT) -- revelation, 22:11:17 11/20/02 Wed
    - sorta, but not really (NT) -- Unsure, 22:26:56 11/20/02 Wed
James White -- TW, 21:41:23 11/17/02 Sun
Any news on James White? Visit to campus?

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- News I have gotten -- bearcatattack, 17:08:56 11/18/02 Mon
  - White is kidding himself if he believes he can be drafted in 03 -- bearcatattack, 17:14:08 11/18/02 Mon
    - NBA "Draftability" -- Crewdogz, 20:48:32 11/18/02 Mon
- Latest Update on White -- NY CAT, 13:38:53 11/19/02 Tue
  - Syracuse? Ever heard of Carmelo Anthony?.....IU has alot of good young players there now and coming in.......and Mizzou isn't at the same level as UC in terms of talent right now. Talk about the path of least resistance to play and chances to make a national impact on the polls........UC is the place. Stokes completes his eligibility, who is White going to compete with......Kirkland? I think White can beat Kirkland out, no disrespect o Armein, but White was a top 10 player in his class. Plus, it's not like he hasn't played bigtime college basketball before. I never understand these situations that seem like a no-brainer. Plus, I read where UC's quarter system makes it easier than most schools for White to catch up on his academics. Can you say, "No-brainer"???? I hope White sees the Light. -- Chatter, 16:06:41 11/19/02 Tue
    - Whites grades are in the crapper -- bearcatattack, 16:16:48 11/19/02 Tue
    - Why is it always a no-brainer for kids to come to UC? -- Eggsavier, 16:55:12 11/19/02 Tue
      - UC should win easily on James White -- bearcatattack, 19:43:19 11/19/02 Tue
      - I have said it's a no-brainer in regard to big men and now James White because historically the last few years we have been seriously lacking in future guys over 6'9" and a kid could come here and almost play right away. Same goes for White....I think there's a huge opening for a former top 10 player to start at UC. Just my opinion. Obviously not popular with you. (NT) -- Chatter, 20:55:22 11/19/02 Tue
        
        i'm just a big dork -- Eggsavier, 21:13:25 11/19/02 Tue
        
        I should have added, a top 10 player who plays SF when we're losing Stokes. Peace. -- Chatter, 22:21:41 11/19/02 Tue
Great Article on White & Cincy's recruiting class-- Thanks Hoop Scoop -- Bearcat Chad, 17:31:57 11/19/02 Tue
http://www.hoopscooponline.com/visitors/scoop.html

Friday, November 15, 2002 - Our New York City Editor Ron Naclerio tells us that he talked with James White, who announced that he will transfer from the University of Florida earlier this week, at the Coaches versus Cancer doubleheader last night at Madison Square Garden and it appears that three schools (Missouri, Cincinnati, and Syracuse) are at the top of White's list. We also have heard from other sources that Georgia Tech and Indiana are also involved and that his parents and others advising him what White to take his time and explore all of his options. This is important, because other people seem to think that Cincinnati is the heavy favorite and, as a result, it's only a matter of time before the Bearcats get this one done. If you will recall, White, who was ranked as the #1 5th year player by the HOOP SCOOP two year ago, is a phenomenal athlete who thrives in a uptempo setting, but needs to work on his outside shooting and other perimeter skills. In other words, White is a stereotypical Bobby Huggins type player. We also know that Cincinnati has one more scholarship available and they are looking for the best available player to complement their current recruiting class, which is ranked #4 on our list of the Top Recruiting Classes To-Date for the Class of 2003 and includes 6'10 Robert Whaley from Barton County (JC) KS, 6'4 Nick Williams from Chipola (JC) FL, and 6'8 Mike Pilgrim from Wolfeboro (Brewster Academy) NH. However, if the Bearcats get White, we would not include him with the Bearcats' current recruiting class. Remember, it's not our editorial policy to include transfers when ranking recruiting classes. Speaking of Cincinnati's recruiting class, we think it perfectly illustrates a point that we've been harping on more and more as time goes on. If you're a school like Cincinnati, Oklahoma, Iowa State, Kansas State, or Texas Tech, which already are top level programs or rapidly moving in that direction, you often aren't going to get the respect that you deserve. And a big part of the problem is that junior college players don't get the same type of notoriety that the top high school players do, especially if they are McDonald's All-Americans. Remember, when Oklahoma advanced to the NCAA Final Four last March, everybody talked about the fact that the Sooners didn't have any McDonald's All-Americans on the roster and, as a result, most people assumed that they didn't have that much talent. And they still don't have a McDonald's All-American on the roster, but the Sooners do have the 5th highest talent rating in college basketball by the HOOP SCOOP and, despite last night's opening game loss to Alabama, is one of the pre-season favorites to win the National Championship this season. This also comes into play when everybody ranks their top recruiting classes this time of year and contrasting Arizona's recruiting class with Cincinnati's recruiting class is especially interesting. Dave Telep of the InsidersHoops.com, who is widely recognized as one of the top people in the business, told me today that the criteria that he used to rank the Wildcats recruiting class #1 in the nation on his web site was the fact that Lute Olson signed the best power forward - 6'10 Ndudi Ebi from Houston (Westbury Christian) TX - the best point guard - 6'3 Mustafa Shakur from Wynnewood (Friends Central) PA - in the nation. And, while we agree with Telep on this point, I also think is important to look a little deeper when comparing the two classes. As a matter of fact, Arizona's third recruit - 6'10 Kirk Walters from Grand Rapids (South Christian) MI - is not ranked among our top 100 senior nationally and, as a result, the Wildcats recruiting class doesn't measure up with the classes that are ranked ahead of it once you go past two players. In contrast, Cincinnati's recruiting class includes the #1-ranked junior college player in Whaley, a top five junior college player in Williams, and the #6-ranked 5th year player by the HOOP SCOOP in Pilgrim. So, if we break it down on a scale of 1-100, with 100 being the best and one being the worst, I'd make Ebi's worth 95 points, Shakur worth 93 points, and Walters worth 30 points for a total of 218 points. In contrast, I'd make Whaley worth 92 points, Williams worth 90 points, and Pilgram worth 80 points for a total of 262. However, to play devils advocate for a second, the word we get from those who have seen Whaley play this fall, he still doesn't play hard all the time and often doesn't use his size to dominant inside the way he should and, as a result, it appears that he still has the same old question marks that haunted him in high school. So let's assume that we have Whaley ranked too high and drop him to 80 points or even 60 points. That would mean that Cincinnati still would be ranked 12 to-32 points ahead of Arizona. In other words, we not only disagree with Telep, but we don't think it's even close. Part of the problem is that Telep doesn't appear to know how good Pilgrim has gotten since we all saw him last spring at the Bob Gibbons Tournament of Champions. And the same thing often happens with junior college players, because we're often only as good as our sources. Remember, our beat his watching the top high school players in the nation and we're often dependent upon second hand information when ranking junior college players. And compounding the problem even further is the status quo mentality that a lot of people in the business seem to have. Most people seem to think that if you land three or four McDonald's All-American's, you automatically have the best recruiting class. However, I never know how it's going to turn out until I've assigned every player a rating on a 1-10 scale and add up all the numbers. Sure, we miss the boat sometimes, but our track record is pretty good. If you will recall, we were the first one to have 6'7 Carmelo Anthony from Mouth of Wilson (Oak Hill) VA ranked as the #1 player in the Class of 2002. Actually we were out there all by ourself on this one for about eight months and, even in the end, not very many people had Anthony ranked as the #1 player nationally in his class. However, we look pretty good right now, especially after his 27 points last night versus Memphis in the first game of the Coaches versus Cancer doubleheader. We also had another player - 6'8 Kevin Bookout from Stroud (H.S.) OK - in that doubleheader ranked higher than anybody else in his class in our final rankings. If you will recall, we had Bookout, who now appears to be one of the leading candidates for Freshman-of-the-Year in college basketball this year, along with Anthony, ranked #10 nationally, but he wasn't named to the McDonald's All-American Team last spring. And, as long as we're on the topic of Oklahoma, didn't we have the Sooners' recruiting class ranked #2 in the nation in 1999-2000 ago and #6 in 2000-2001? And didn't everybody miss on the Sooners pre-season a year ago due exactly to the point we are trying to make? If you will recall, Oklahoma signed 12 players during that two-year period of which nine were junior college players and one was a 5th year player. Another player we had a lot higher than everybody else in our final rankings last spring was 6'7 Curtis Withers from Charlotte (West Charlotte) NC. We had Withers ranked #31 in the nation. In contrast, Bob Gibbons of All-Stars Sports, which is based in North Carolina, had Withers ranked no higher than #157 in his final rankings. We bring this up, because the word on the street is that Withers has turned out to be a major surprise in practice this fall and, as a result, will likely be one of the leading candidates for Rookie-of-the-Year honors in Conference USA this season. And these are only a few of the latest examples. In other words, our rankings of the top recruiting classes and talent ratings have not only withstood the test of time, but the insight we provide you with isn't available anywhere else and our ability to put all the pieces together and analyze whatever information is at hand is second to none. And that's why can't afford to be without a subscription to the Member Section any longer. So click on subscribe right now!

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Why Hasn't Pilgrim Signed his LOI Yet? -- NY CAT, 21:05:27 11/15/02 Fri
Is he afraid that White will transfer to UC and take away some of his playing time? He was really "hot" for UC when he verballed 3 weeks ago...could he be having 2nd thoughts?

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- Yup, thats what im guessing. Pilgrim isnt that good anyway, i saw him play mnay times last year. He isnt UC material. (NT) -- Bearcat Bryan, 22:21:09 11/15/02 Fri
- He needs UC more than UC needs him......if we get White, Pilgrim changes his mind and doesn't come, then maybe we still have a scholarship for Femi (NT) -- The Court Jester, 07:19:18 11/16/02 Sat
  - Only God Can Judge Me -- MP Savior, 15:56:57 11/19/02 Tue
- Funny how quick Posters can turn on an 18 year old kid. Who knows why his LOI isn't here. No need to start bashing him. Just 3 weeks ago everybody was pumped about getting him. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 09:32:01 11/16/02 Sat
  - Pilgrim... -- NY CAT, 09:56:13 11/16/02 Sat
    - Pilgrim signed LOI on Friday -- Brewster Academy, 10:13:49 11/16/02 Sat
    - Question Answered,UC should have Mike P'shis LOI by Monday -- bearcatattack, 10:46:41 11/16/02 Sat
    - NY Cat- Not referring to you. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 16:45:18 11/16/02 Sat
- I don't think Pilgrim and White are competing for PT -- snart, 10:37:14 11/16/02 Sat
  - But with Kirkland and White at the 3 position, do you need Pilgrim as much as you need some Center prospects? (NT) -- The Court Jester, 12:47:54 11/16/02 Sat
    - And just who would that be? -- snart, 14:31:11 11/16/02 Sat
    - I'm not worried about the positions of these recruits. . . -- Ray Pfriem, 22:01:31 11/17/02 Sun
      - Plus, Whaley, Kareem, Max, and sometimes Hicks would anchor the post position pretty well. (NT) -- BJ, 11:27:46 11/18/02 Mon
Review of game #2 -- Cliff, 22:59:35 11/14/02 Thu
I don't have the stats or score in front of me so the numbers might not be right, but here it goes. UC won 18 points which was a pleasant surprise.

Starters were Hollman, Max, Stokes, Field and Bobbitt. Hollman had trouble with the D, in fact AIA scored on a lot of give and goes and pick and rolls. The lack of a defensive center really showed. Offensively, Field Williams was the man. He had 21 points in the first half with several buckets coming from 25 ft. out including the closing shot at half. We were only up 3 or 6 points at half and we were shooting over 60% from 3 point land.

The second half was a different story. Part of the reason may be because AIA center was in foul trouble and we had a lot of trouble matching up with him. Our defense was much more active. UC was up by 20 with 10 minutes to go. With 5 minutes to go UC had its walk-ons in.

Tony Bobbitt showed he can play offense and defense. He anticipates very well. His shot was off a little, but I will gaurentee you he will have at least several 20 point games. From the center spot I thought Flowers showed improvement, but looked more like a power foward than a center. Hollman was very average. No offense at tall. Our JC center (whose name I forget) played fairly well. He made several jump hooks and got a handfull of rebounds.

This is going to be a year where somebody different will stand out each game IMO. All three freshmen showed flashes of brilliance at times (Kirkland, Moore, Hicks). Each are athletic and each can play offense and defense. They are still learning and it will be fun to watch them grow.

Stokes played OK and Barker played well. He made several outside shots and gave us a spark on defense. Clearly the player of the game was Field. His defense has improved dramatically, he got more than his share of rebounds and shot lights out. I would never have believed we could get this much out of him. He still has difficulty driving to the basket, but this game it wasn't needed.

I am encouraged after this game. I saw some positive things on defense which was my biggest concern. On offense with Field and Bobbitt in the game, nobody will zone us.

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- Great review. Thanks Cliff. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 23:47:44 11/14/02 Thu
  - Wrong number, Rob. Sorry. LOL! -- BJ, 02:25:57 11/15/02 Fri
    - Don't sweat it BJ. Any pub is good pub right? (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 12:46:53 11/16/02 Sat
- Thanks for the review. Field will have a Big Year if he can play good enough D. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 07:17:41 11/15/02 Fri
Cats register 3 new recruits in the Bearcat draft -- bearcatattack, 10:37:40 11/13/02 Wed
Also if James White does transfer UC will still be able to offer a scholarship to another player in next years class.Transfers do not count in the 5/9 rule.White would be the 12th scholarship player if Eugene land and Derek Hollman leave in 2003

http://enquirer.com/bearcats/2002/11/13/ucsign.html

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- Are you sure? I heard he would count as the final available scholarship. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 13:18:50 11/13/02 Wed
  - My count: -- BJ, 14:00:19 11/13/02 Wed
    - 2003 scholarship players 1-12 -- bearcatattack, 18:02:59 11/13/02 Wed
- Of course transfers count towards the 5/9 rule. If White is offered a scholarship for next season, he will be the last signee. (NT) -- JP, 22:28:27 11/14/02 Thu
Nick Williams 16.4 PPG average through 5 games plus broken Foot -- bearcatattack, 10:03:17 11/14/02 Thu
out 4-6 weeks with a broken right foot

Nick Williams, the talented 6-4 combo guard from Chipola J.C. in Marianna, Fla., broke his foot last Friday and is out for 4-6 weeks.

Rivalshoops.com confirmed the injury with Chipola Head Coach Ryan Cross. Williams committed to Cincinnati earlier this fall.

"On Monday, they put a screw in his foot, and they expect him back in four to six weeks," Cross said. "In the worst case scenario, he will be back to play January 3rd when we come back from the Christmas break."

Williams was injured in a victory over Jefferson Davis on Friday night. He was averaging 16.4 points per contest in the Indians' first four games, all victories. Chipola managed to win on Saturday without Williams to improve to 5-0 this fall.

"It was just kind of a freak thing," Cross explained. "He was running down the floor and stepped on a guy's foot, breaking his fifth metatarsal bone."

Cross said that doctors have told him that the screw inserted into Williams' foot won't be removed until the season's end [sometime in March], at the earliest. It could even be left in permanently, as it is not expected to affect Nick adversely in any way.

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- Is this becoming a trend? If so, it sucks! -- John J. Powers, 11:57:21 11/14/02 Thu
  - And Eric Hicks, too! -- BJ, 12:42:13 11/14/02 Thu
    - Yes, I was specifically talking about JUCO's, due to the fact in High School, it is mostly a family Dr. that gives treatment. However in JUCO land, they have team Dr.s that really do not appear to be looking out for the players best interest. (NT) -- JJ Powers, 12:47:46 11/14/02 Thu
Don't worry be happy -- beracatfan, 13:28:31 11/13/02 Wed
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Don't worry about White -- bearcatfan, 15:59:54 11/12/02 Tue
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- I'm not. I think that he'll be OK:) (NT) -- coffeypt, 18:36:43 11/12/02 Tue
  - Does he have a intestinal virus or such? -- bearcatattack, 18:40:42 11/12/02 Tue
    - What happened to him? I must have missed that one. (NT) -- BJ, 20:07:08 11/12/02 Tue
Okay, I'm gonna throw egg on my face......I researched the past recruiting rankings and made myself look stupid....here goes -- Chatter, 17:18:23 11/11/02 Mon
I have complained that UC doesn't get the top recruits. Well, I will show how many Duke gets in my next post.....but UC has gotten more than I thought. Rankings according to Hoop Scoop. If they were a JUCO or 5th year prep player....Hoop Scoop just gives them a rating on a scale of 1-10. A (10) is a top 5 player. A (9) is a top 10 player. An (8) is a 11-40 player ranking. A (6) is a 41-70 rated player. A (4) is a 71-100 rated player. A (3) is a 100-300 rated player. A (2) is 300+.

1990 - No top 100 recruits
1991 - #45 Lazelle Durden
82 John Jacobs
24 (by transfer later) Keith Legree
1992 - #49 Keith Gregor
1993 - #2 Dontonio Wingfield
49 Darnell Burton
85 Marko Wright (transferred out)
96 Jackson Julson (transferred out)
1994 - #7 Danny Fortsen
61 Bobby Brannen
1995 - #15 Mel Levett (I can't believe he was that high)
1996 - #17 Kenyon Martin
94 Johnny Carson (transferred out)
1997 - None
1998 - #63 Steve Logan
64 Eugene Land
Pete Mickael (8)
Donald Little (8)
Alvin Mitchell (4)
1999 - #3 Kenny Satterfield
43 B.J. Grove (he's lived up to that ranking)
Dermarr Johnson rated a (10)
96 Leonard Stokes
2000 - #98 Field Williams
Immanuel McElroy (8)
Jamaal Davis (8)
Antwan Jones (8)
2001 - #24 Jason Maxiell
Derek Hollman rated a (4) by Hoop Scoop
Taron Barker (3)
Jim Hubbard (3)
2002 - #40 Eric Hicks
100 Chadd Moore
160 Armein Kirkland
Bobbitt rated an (8) by Hoop Scoop
Kareem Johnson rated a (3)

By comparison, here's Xavier's top 100 players since 1990:
1990 & 1991 - none
1992 - #90 Joey Rey (transferred out)
1993 - 70 Sherwin Anderson
1994 - 84 Brien Hanley (what happened to him?)
1995-96-97- none
1998 - #24 Lloyd Price
Aaron Turner (8)
Desmond Walker (6)
Obi Harris (6)
Kevin Frey (3)
Brandon McIntosh (3)
Garvin Davis (2)
1999 - none
David West (4)
Chalmers (3)
Young (3)
Marcus Mason (3)
2000 - #18 Romain Sato
Anthony Coleman (2)
2001 - #85 Keith Jackson
129 Jaison Williams
172 Will Caudle
2002 - #95 Dedrick Finn

I will research Duke, Kansas, and Arizona and see how many top 20's they get every year....lol.

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- Don't forget Huggs boy D. Flint. I know he was highly (over) rated (NT) -- bearcatb, 18:34:31 11/11/02 Mon
  - I always felt that Damon was a victim of circumstance. . . . . -- Mike In Clifton, 21:51:32 11/11/02 Mon
    - I just thought he was'nt that good -- bearcatb, 00:07:28 11/12/02 Tue
    - I remember Damon shutting down Stephon Marbury in the sweet sixteen game that year to get to the elite 8 (NT) -- evansvillebearcat, 06:58:32 11/12/02 Tue
- Brien Hanley went on to Kansas State and was an offensive lineman on the football team. The Bengals brought him in as an undrafted free agent the year he came out, but he obviously didn't make it out of training camp. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 17:21:09 11/12/02 Tue
I guess the Florida Reptile fan neglects to forget UC -- bearcatattack, 13:01:29 11/11/02 Mon
has 8 millionaires on NBA rosters,11 straight NCAA tourney appearances and a weight training program that is a model for NCAA programs? And the consenus on thier posts are how could UC improve on White's situation and progress as a player ? Anyone feel like correcting the fans of a team who 95% of the fan following is no doubt on mental disability?

http://www.gatorcountry.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=36588&forum=2&start=0

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- man, that thread keeps growing, and growing, and growing. (NT) -- coffeypt, 13:46:16 11/12/02 Tue
Taken from today's Cincinnati Post -- Bearcat Rob, 13:37:59 11/12/02 Tue
This is taken from today's Post:

"James White, who quit the University of Florida team on Saturday, said he currently has only one school on his places to transfer list--UC"

CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE POST ARTICLE

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Monty St Clair to the RedHawks -- Bearcatattack, 11:02:32 11/12/02 Tue
per Channel 9 last night.This kid is going to be a very solid player whereever he would have went.Very nice pick up for Charle Coles.Kid can really shoot as well

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- Monty -- JMac, 13:26:32 11/12/02 Tue
Insiders Update on White -- Bearcatfanatic, 23:14:09 11/11/02 Mon
At 7:00 pm Insiders is saying they believe the three early schools White's considering are Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse.

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- White and the Cats -- Bearcatattack, 10:45:02 11/12/02 Tue
James White -- twillson77, 20:54:03 11/11/02 Mon
Does James White have any ties to the school such as former teammates, etc?

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- He went to newport Prep where I believe DJ played at as well. both went on to other schools for there senior years (NT) -- bearcatb, 00:16:10 11/12/02 Tue
Dunk you very much -- John J. Powers, 15:05:43 11/11/02 Mon
Whaley + Max + Hicks + White (still a rumor) = up up and away baby!

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- PG- Kirkland So. SG- Bobbitt Sr. SF-White So. PF-Maxiell Jr. Sr.-Whaley- - - SG- Williams PG- Williams PF- Hicks 1st three off the bench, there is not a better 8 in 2003-2004. (NT) -- DP, 15:49:27 11/11/02 Mon
  - PG's - Kirkland, Chadd Moore, Nick Williams / SG's - Bobbitt, Field Williams, Nick Williams, Kirkland / SF - James White / Kirkland / Pilgrim / PF - Maxiell / Hicks / C - Whaley / Flowers / K. Johnson.............Starting 5 to 9 or 10 players are nearly untouchable by most of the country! Unreal! Hope it's true. -- Chatter, 15:59:41 11/11/02 Mon
    - Here's to hoping that Whaley will come to UC and not the NBA! (NT) -- coffeypt, 19:08:53 11/11/02 Mon
James White to be a Bearcat? -- Bearcat Rob, 21:40:33 11/10/02 Sun
Here's the link from a Florida site.

James White leaves Gator basketball team

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- That would be a huge transfer. White was rated a "9" by Hoop Scoop which is an immediate impact player. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:52:27 11/10/02 Sun
- Found a great site with just about everything you ever wanted to know about James White. I can't get the link to work on the front page, so click on this post and the link will be inside. -- Bearcat Rob, 22:19:38 11/10/02 Sun
- IF, he transfers here, can he start practicing with the team once classes start for winter quarter? -- John J. Powers, 09:37:01 11/11/02 Mon
  - Yes if he is academically qualified to play this season -- bearcatattack, 11:54:24 11/11/02 Mon
    - Is it possible to transfer on Nov 12th? It is not like High School where everything just transfers over. Won't he have to wait until Dec when exams are over and sign up at the start of Winter Quarter? -- John J. Powers, 13:34:11 11/11/02 Mon
      - Yes -- bearcatattack, 13:45:51 11/11/02 Mon
      - Yes -- bearcatattack, 13:47:04 11/11/02 Mon
- It's True, It's True...Trust Me. -- Marcus, 12:55:03 11/11/02 Mon
  - Hopefully White develops his game and adds weight with his transfer year -- bearcatattack, 13:08:39 11/11/02 Mon
    - develop his game and add weight -- John J. Powers, 15:56:38 11/11/02 Mon
- White article -- CUSA_FAN, 14:14:44 11/11/02 Mon
More on 2004 recruits......from Insiders.com (same prospects as below but more info about them) -- Chatter, 15:29:08 11/10/02 Sun
We all know UC isn't going to get any of these 4 to 5 star recruits. Last year, our intial recruiting list was Shannon Brown, Tack Minor, Corey Gibbs, Shawn Taylor, Richard McBride, etc., etc..........and then we end up with Whaley, Nick Williams, and Pilgrim......3 guys that NO ONE ON THIS BOARD EVEN KNEW WE were recruiting until a few weeks before they signed. My point is......this list is a very impressive group, in terms of talent, so don't look for them in a UC uniform any time soon......lol.

PG Darius Washington **** (4 star recruit out of 5 possible)(Edgewater H.S./ Orlando, Fla) 5'11"/160 23.0 ppg medium interest. Being recruited by UC, Fla., Fla St., UK, Mich, North Carolina (who aren't they recruiting?), Tenn..........my comments: Why are we even recruiting a PG in this class when Butler has already verballed? Are we trying to piss him off?

PG Jamar Butler **** (4 star recruit) (Lima, OH) 6'2"/185
30.8 ppg, verballed to UC already. Insiders comments: "Super defender who gets in your grill on defense. Has range on his jumper and is a strong, steady athlete. Is expected to help the Bearcats early in his career."

SG Jason Rich **** (Lake Highland Prep/ Fla.) 6'3"/ 180
Insiders comments: "One of the more charismatic players to come along in recent memory. One of the five best players at the 2002 Hoop Jamboree; earned invite to Nike All-American Camp. Rich is a superior athlete and maybe the state's best dunker since Vince Carter. Slasher, scorer with range and determination. Best compliment we can pay him: his peers look up to him and respect his game."
Interest from UC, Fla., Fla. St., NC (again?)

SF Roy Bright **** (Durham, NC) 6'5", 195 28.0 ppg
Insiders Comments: "Was second in the state of North Carolina as a sophomore at close to 30 a game. Routinely posted double-doubles and hit for 35 or more on many occasions. Probably the top prospect from Durham since Tracy McGrady played at Mount Zion in '97. Was a second team all-state performer. Nearly captured the MVP award at the 2002 adidas ABCD Underclassman All-Star game. Great athlete with an improving jumper."
Recruited by: UC, Fla. St., N.C. St., Okla.

PF Al Jefferson ***** (Prentiss, MS) 6'9", 265 28.0 ppg
Ranked as the #1 PF in the 2004 Class.
Insider's Comments: "He's spent time at the top of the 2004 rankings and rightfully so. He's a specimen with size, skill and more importantly he produces results. He's a load and loaded with athleticism. Can really score on the blocks, make key rejections and punches the clock each time out. Super prospect. High scoring game was 46 pts."
According to Insiders, UC has offered, as has Alabama, Fla, UK, LSU, and Mississippi.

PF Charles Rhodes **** (Jackson, MS) 6'8"/ 220
Insiders Comments: "High-major post player with plenty of athleticism and passion. Once he harnesses the package, the sky is the limit. Can face you up on the perimeter, but we think he's just too good a post player that he'll make his mark in the paint. Nike Hoop Jamboree and All-American Camp invitee."
Recruited by: UC, Miss., Miss. St.

PF Matt Terwilliger *** (Troy, OH) 6'10"/ 205 13 ppg.
Insiders comments: "Helped his Team Ohio squad to a second-place finish in the #2 division of the 2002 Big Time. Has a chance to really be a skilled scorer in college if he continues to fill out his skinny frame. Offered by the Cincinnati Bearcats as a rising sophomore. Good touch."
Offered by UC. Recruited by UD and Purdue, also.

Others have mentioned the Lofton kid out of Kentucky as a possible recruit, also. I'd like to see UC recruit that Rodney Epperson kid out of Barton....he's only a frosh and is 6'8" and can nail the 3 pointer.....he's currently 10-18 from three point range.

Any more info.....please inform us....thanks.

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- I wouldn't agree that no one knew UC was recruiting their 3 current commitments until a few weeks before they committed. The Enquirer ran an article in the summer naming Nick Williams as a target. I think a lot of us also knew UC was recruiting Whaley and that UC coaches planned to monitor Pilgrim in prep school (his summer play moved him way up the charts and made the coaches feel he was worthy of a scholarship in the early signing period). Just because a guy's rated highly doesn't mean he's UC's top target. I know Whaley and Williams were top UC targets, and Pilgrim approached that level as well with his summer play. From what I've heard, UC stopped recruiting Minor, Gibbs, and Taylor, not the other way around. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 20:31:09 11/10/02 Sun
  - I guess I really didn't say it the way I wanted to say it. Although Whaley, Williams, and Pilgrim were targets, they weren't talked about that much where we thought they were at the top of the list. My point was that we rarely get the kids in the top 50 of high school. I didn't do a good job of saying that. Anyway......I don't think we'll get any of those kids on that list except, obviously Butler and I think it's a lock that we'll get Terwilliger. Sorry. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:48:14 11/10/02 Sun
    - Wingfield, Fortson, Johnson, Satterfield, Maxiel, Hicks were top 50 and there were more.... -- The Truth Hurts, 06:52:27 11/11/02 Mon
      - You're so full of crap, Truth. -- Chatter, 09:20:01 11/11/02 Mon
      - Huggins has been the proud coach of 5 Mcd's -- bearcatattack, 12:39:02 11/11/02 Mon
        
        Other than '99.......they've been pretty scarce. I can't believe Damon Flint was a MD AA......unreal. (NT) -- Chatter, 13:46:44 11/11/02 Mon
Here's an update on a guy I've been told by a sometime reliable source that UC is still recruiting out of Southern Idaho JUCO (same school as Bobbitt) -- Chatter, 15:44:09 11/10/02 Sun
Update on Sani Ibrahim........formerly of Oak Hill Academy (same school as Chadd Moore):

"Sani Ibrahim scored 25 points, pulled down 14 rebounds and swatted 6 shots in CSI's 83-65 win over Northwest College. Ibrahim was an efficient 8-13 from the floor and 9-10 from the line." - Insiders.com

If we're not recruiting him, we should be. Seems like the same type of deal as Whaley. Awesome talent going the JUCO route. Typical UC type of player. My source cites the Oak Hill connection with Chadd Moore and the CSI connection with Bobbitt and his coach. Makes sense, but I have no other confirmation on this. I don't know if Sani is going one or two years of JUCO before he transfers to Div. 1. I think his grades needed help.

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- I think that guy thought about going pro out of hi school. If he performs well all year I'm sure thats the route he'll take. Most top programs have a connection with oak hill not sure that will help. I'd like to get a 4 year big man in here (NT) -- bearcatb, 23:20:27 11/10/02 Sun
  - He pretty much has to play 2 seasons of JC -- bearcatattack, 12:01:22 11/11/02 Mon
UC in the hunt for another high school PF -- Chatter, 16:10:39 11/07/02 Thu
According to Insiders.com:

We spoke with Tyrone Fuller, head coach at Montclair Prep, and he told us that Nick Stiggers will likely wait until spring before making a college choice. According to Coach Fuller, Stiggers has offers from Arizona St., Fresno St., Miami, Cincinnati, Long Beach St. and Georgia. Stiggers will probably visit ASU and Fresno St. sometime in the next couple weeks. He may visit Cincinnati and Miami in the spring.

Nick Stiggers
Hot News:
Not Ready For Decision
-by PrepWestHoops.com Oct 30, 2002
Not Verballed and on Market
-by PrepWestHoops.com Oct 15, 2002
Hoops star elects not to play football
-by WeAreSC.com Sep 8, 2002

Features:
Top Uncommitted Players
-by PrepWestHoops.com Nov 1, 2002
Stiggers Will Sign In Spring
-by PrepWestHoops.com Oct 30, 2002

Ht: 6-7 Wt: 240
Position: PF
Recruited as: PF
National Rank: 24
Birthplace: Van Nuys, CA
Class: 2003 Senior
AAU Team: Memphis YOMCA
High School: Montclair School
(Van Nuys, CA)

Biography:
A skilled and talented baseline forward, Stiggers is well put together and uses his body and his skills to overpower high school competition. He lacks explosiveness, but high majors love his ability to score around the basket.

Schools of Interest:
School Interest Level Offer? Visit Date
Arizona State Med Interest No None
Cincinnati Med Interest No None
Fresno State Med Interest No None
Georgia Med Interest No None
Long Beach St Med Interest No None
Miami (Fl) Med Interest No None
Arkansas Low Interest No None
USC Low Interest No None

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- do we have a chance -- BC, 18:49:38 11/07/02 Thu
  - basketball -- ben grate, 15:02:22 11/09/02 Sat
    - Who are you? Who, Who, Who, Who? (NT) -- The Who, 16:34:25 11/09/02 Sat
- basketball -- ben grate, 01:06:43 11/11/02 Mon
- basketball -- ben grate, 01:09:57 11/11/02 Mon
Barton County C.C...........are we recruiting Rodney Epperson? -- Chatter, 13:00:47 11/10/02 Sun
The kid is 6'8", a freshman, and so far he's hit 10-18 three pointers for over 50%. He's also rebounding well. Scary. Hope we are. His high school stats back up what he's doing.

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NKU game review -- Cliff, 21:20:50 11/09/02 Sat
Typical first game. Some nice stuff and and lot of not so nice stuff. Even though NKU only had 51 points, it looked the the defense has a way to go.

The big concerns as expected are the point guard and center positions. Taron started at point, but did nothing to solidify the spot. He shot poorly and did everything else average. Interestingly the first player to come in at point was Kirkland. Kirkland showed he can handle the ball, but his lack of experience showed. Next at point was Bobbitt who played OK at point, but looks more like a 2 guard. Make no mistake about it, Bobbitt is a player. Chad Moore didn't get into the game until 8 minutes to go which should tell you something. But, he played the rest of the game and gave some spark to the team, both on offense and defense. I still think at this point he is going to see a lot of bench time.

Field and stokes were solid, each doing what they do best. Hicks didn't get into the game until late also, but like Moore he showed some spark. Blocked a couple shots, had a couple of baskets, but looked lost at times. Hicks will be a big time player in the next year or two once he gets healthy.

Underneath, it was a lot of players doing the same thing. The best offensive players are Flowers and Land, but both are too short and too slow to be full time centers. Hollman and Johnson are active put have fewer skills. Johnson will get some points, but I doubt Hollman will. I think it will be mix and match at the center and power forward position when Max is out.

It will be an interesting year. We may lose some games we should win, because we are going to have to count on our outside shooting more than in the past. If several players emerge we can battle for the conference title again.

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- Thanks for the review, Cliff (NT) -- BJ, 23:37:17 11/09/02 Sat
- I think Hicks had five (5) blocks not 2 -- Eggsavier, 07:12:10 11/10/02 Sun
  - TRUTH GROW UP! Wasn't my post Cliff. (NT) -- The Real Eggsavier, 07:45:04 11/10/02 Sun
I didn't post the last message. I will go on a limb and say it was Truth or BearcatAttack. Thanks for the Post. Nice to hear about the games when you live out of town and can't go or they aren't on TV. TRUTH GROW UP! -- Eggsavier. The Real Eggsavier, 07:44:06 11/10/02 Sun
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2004..... -- The Truth Hurts, 09:17:21 11/09/02 Sat
From Telep's site:

PF1 ***** Al Jefferson (2nd player overall)
(Prentiss Senior HS)
Prentiss, MS 6-9/265/28 Alabama, Cincinnati, Florida, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State

PG NR **** Darius Washington (#4 PG/ #19 overall)
(Edgewater HS)
Orlando, FL 5-11/160/23 Cincinnati, Florida, Florida State, Kentucky, Michigan, North Carolina State, Tennessee

SF NR **** Roy Bright (#4 SF/ #21 overall)
(Northern HS)
Durham, NC 6-5/195/28 Cincinnati, Florida State, North Carolina State, Oklahoma, Tennessee

PG NR **** Jamar Butler (#5 PG/ #23 overall)
(Shawnee HS)
Lima, OH 6-2/185/30.8 Committed to Cincinnati

SG NR **** Jason Rich (#7 SG/ #32 overall)
(Lake Highland Preparatory)
Orlando, FL 6-3/180/- Cincinnati, Florida, Florida State, North Carolina

PF NR **** Charles Rhodes (#19 PF)
(Lanier Senior HS)
Jackson, MS 6-8/220/- Cincinnati, Mississippi, Mississippi State

PF NR *** Matt Terwilliger (#30 PF)
(Troy HS)
Troy, OH 6-9/205/13 Cincinnati, Dayton, Purdue

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- Telfair considering U of L (NT) -- The Truth Hurts, 09:18:08 11/09/02 Sat
  - Telafair is going to stay on the East Coast -- bearcatattack, 11:59:10 11/09/02 Sat
    - Add in 3 other players that decided on Prep School for another season -- bearcatattack, 12:06:42 11/09/02 Sat
      - Is Alexander Johnson still going to Georgia after a year of prep school? (NT) -- Chatter, 13:54:58 11/09/02 Sat
        
        Looks that way -- bearcatattack, 15:41:49 11/09/02 Sat
Bass visiting UCONN -- bearcatattack, 11:06:22 11/02/02 Sat
If Bass waits until spring UC odds improve greatly

http://www.ctnow.com/sports/hc-ucmen110 1.artnov01.story

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- I doubt we will get Bass -- JMac, 15:32:19 11/06/02 Wed
  - I would think we'd have a good shot at Femi. Alot of programs have filled their available scholarhips. Sometimes, top players slip during their senior year, and other unknown top talent rises to the occasion. There are plusses and minuses to signing your entire class early, and advantages to waiting to see what other talent emerges. UC will get the talent that newly shows itself this coming high school b-ball season. (NT) -- Chatter, 16:48:13 11/07/02 Thu
    - Femi might have some eligility issues in the spring -- bearcatattack, 19:01:40 11/07/02 Thu
      - Femi has North Caroloina trying to get him interested -- Bearcatattack, 19:22:55 11/07/02 Thu
        
        Does he go to N.C. and sit behind some of their higher rated recruits who will obviously get priority, or does he go to UC and get some PT right away? Seems like a no-brainer to me, but the kids let the recruiters screw with their minds. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:49:37 11/07/02 Thu
        
        UC is pretty staked in the frontcourt -- Bearcatattack, 11:23:35 11/08/02 Fri
        
        I don't feel like UC is "staked" in the frontcourt. Who do they have next year? Whaley, Flowers, K. Johnson, Maxiell, Hicks, Kirkland? One player over 6'9" is not enough. While other CUSA teams are consistently getting the 6'9 / 6'10" players, UC is not. Maxiell, Hicks, Johnson, Kirkland are all 6'7" or shorter. I don't consider them big men. We need another big man. Varem is only 6'5". I'd rather have Femi Ibikunle. (NT) -- Chatter, 16:26:20 11/08/02 Fri
        
        The point being Femi would backup Whaley for at least 1 season -- Bearcatattack, 11:23:21 11/09/02 Sat
        
        I heard Varem is strong for Indiana. The quote I read was from Varem talking about being a christian and coach Mike Davis being a christian, too. I'm not sure Varem will come hear with all the foul language..........JUST KIDDING. (NT) -- Chatter, 13:57:15 11/09/02 Sat
Huggins on ESPN's Sunday Conversation after the Jags/Giant game. -- Eggsavier, 23:13:13 11/03/02 Sun
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Starting lineups and backups? -- Chatter, 16:37:09 11/01/02 Fri
Here's my latest idea for starters:

PG Bobbitt
SG Stokes / F. Williams
SF Flowers
PF Maxiell
C Kareem Johnson

That gives you 4 legit scoring threats (all except Johnson) and 3 legit rebounders, good perimeter defense, and good interior defense.

Here's what the lineup is predicted to be:

PG Barker / Bobbitt / Moore / Lucas
SG Bobbitt / Field Williams / Stokes / Kirkland / Meeker
SF Stokes / Flowers / Kirkland
PF Maxiell / Flowers / Hicks / Land
C Kareem Johnson / Flowers / Hollman / Grove (?)

Who do you think will start and then who else do you think will play atleast close to 10 minutes per game?

I listed the predicted starters, and here's my 10+ minute backups:

Flowers, Field Williams, Land, Hollman

I think Moore, Kirkland, and Hicks will get more minutes about the halfway point of the season......all will take time to put it together. I am really clueless about where Hicks stands in his progress.......you rarely hear anything about the guy of late......so it appears he's not in their plans this year.

My prediction about Hollman is mainly because I think Johnson will be foul prone because he guards bigger guys. I think Hollman and Land will rotate at Center to give fouls and rebounds.

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- I really feel this team has 7 starters: Barker, Bobbitt, F. Williams, Stokes, Flowers, Maxiell, K. Johnson. Those 7 players will play the bulk of the minutes and any other playing time is up for grabs from the remaining players. (NT) -- Chatter, 16:40:23 11/01/02 Fri
- I think -- BJ, 18:52:14 11/01/02 Fri
- How in the world is Flowers going to play the 3? What 3 can he guard- Dwayne Wade? Why do you always put a Big Man in the 3? -- Eggsavier, 10:11:43 11/02/02 Sat
  - You jump chatter for putting a 4/5 at the 3, then you go right off and put a 2 at the 3....Field Williams is 6'2" last time I heard. Leave it to you to put your ignorance on show again there buddy! -- The Truth Always Hurts Eggsavier, 22:15:06 11/02/02 Sat
    - TRUTH. GROW UP. Is it your goal to be an asshole? Is that your whole point of coming on this board to be an A-Hole and stir things up? You are the typical internet poster who is a tough guy on the internet and is a _ in person. -- Eggsavier, 07:19:28 11/03/02 Sun
Orr from LaSalle. -- Bearcatfanatic, 18:27:02 11/01/02 Fri
He is a junior from Lasalle and related to Louis Orr.Just wondering from anybody if he has a chance going D-1 or how good he is.Someone that I know says he grew 2 to 3 inches over the summer and is now 6-6 to 6-7 and he plays the three.He also said he's heard that he doesn't think he wants to play for Louis and that he's a big Bearcat fan and goes to all the home games that he can.Of course this is from one mouth to another mouth and don't know if there's any credibility here but just wondering on Chatter or KB's or anyone in the know how good is this kid.Could he become a late bloomer because I don't see him listed on any recruiting boards.

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- Justin Orr has D-1 talent,Very Smooth player -- bearcatattack, 19:13:56 11/01/02 Fri
  - Pilgrim and Orr are cousins by the way -- bearcatattack, 23:48:21 11/01/02 Fri
  - Pilgrim and Orr are cousins by the way -- bearcatattack, 23:49:07 11/01/02 Fri
I need confirmation on an Ohio High School Junior...... -- Chatter, 16:47:50 11/01/02 Fri
An inside source told me that UC is recruiting a kid from Steve Logan's high school named, Chris Moore. He's 6'9", I'm told and suppose to be pretty good. I believe the school is Lakewood St. Edward?

Please confirm if you have any inside info.

Thanks, Chatter

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- Ive seen Moore play,Im not sure if UC is recruiting him -- bearcatattack, 19:01:28 11/01/02 Fri
Future UC player? -- Chatter, 16:51:47 11/01/02 Fri
7-0 center Chris Alexander of Iowa State has been suspended indefinitely from the men's basketball program for a violation of team rules. The suspension resulted from a fight at a local bar involving Alexander during the weekend. Alexander was charged with serious assault, which is a serious misdemeanor. He faces one year in jail time and/or a $1,500 fine if convicted. Alexander was brought to the Ames Police Department and later released on his own recognizance. Chris Alexander helped lead Indian Hills (IA) CC to a Region 11 title and a fourth-place national tournament finish as a freshman. He averaged 11.9 points and 8.1 rebounds while shooting 73.6 percent from the floor.

Okay, it's a joke........lighten up.

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Mike Pilgrim's prep school coach to be on the Greg Swaim Show tonight -- Bearcat Rob, 17:39:14 10/27/02 Sun
There is a chance Pilgrim will be on as well. You can hear the show at 9:00 by CLICKING THE LINK HERE

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- I can't access the archive of the show. Could someone give a re-cap?? Thanks! (NT) -- coffeypt, 00:43:27 10/28/02 Mon
  - He didn't really say that much. Just that Pilgrim's athleticism and defense make him a perfect fit for the Bearcats. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 13:27:29 10/29/02 Tue
    - Thanks Rob. So I quess that Mike didn't speak. (NT) -- coffeypt, 14:44:51 10/29/02 Tue
      - No. He was in study hall at the time. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 12:57:35 10/30/02 Wed
Starting Lineup? -- JMac, 14:47:24 10/27/02 Sun
What do you guys think the starting lineup is going to look like? I guess the only questions are at SG and C. This is how I would like to see it:
PG Taron Barker/Chad Moore/Jamal Lucas (Tony Bobbit can play her too)
SG Tony Bobbit/Field Williams/Armein Kirkland
SF Leonard Stokes/Eric Hicks/Armein Kirkland
PF Jason Maxiell/Derek Hollman/Eugene Land
C Rod Flowers/Kareem Johnson/Derek Hollman

Flowers has looked very impressive in my opinion from the first practice I went to and the scrimmage this Saturday. He is always in the right spots for rebounds and has a great offensive game. His defense could be better I guess but I don't think it is that bad really. I think Hicks will need some time to adjust to the college game. Bobbit is a dawg. He is a very, very good player in my opinion, wouldn't be surprised if he challenged Wade and Gaines for C-USA player of the year. I love Field but Bobbit deserves the spot.

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- That would be my starting line-up as well. The only exception could be Johnson instead of Flowers at Center. I think Barker, Bobbitt, Stokes, and Maxiell are locks. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 17:31:03 10/27/02 Sun
  - I'd put Kareem ahead of Flowers as well, Rob. (NT) -- Mike In Clifton, 21:40:51 10/27/02 Sun
  - Flowers is as tall as Kareem and can rebound as well and his offensive game is clearly better. I guess you guys want Kareem for defense? That makes sense since our guards and Maxiell are effective scorers. (NT) -- JMac, 15:35:47 10/28/02 Mon
    - I think I'd probably go with Flowers also from how he's looked this summer and since practice started. I was just saying Johnson could be the starter. It will be interesting to see how they both look when the exhibition season gets started. (NT) -- Bearcat Rob, 18:05:13 10/28/02 Mon
      - Important thing, regardless of who starts, is Huggs will have some good options inside, hopefully 4-5 deep with big men by the time all is said and done. (NT) -- BJ, 00:08:19 10/30/02 Wed
Has UC closed it's 2003 recruiting and started working on 2004 exclusively? -- Chatter, 08:40:25 10/27/02 Sun
I can't read Huggins mind, but here's what I think:

They were pursuing Bass, Varem, and now this Femi kid. Bass isn't even going to visit UC which looks like he's not going to choose UC......surprise, surprise. Varem seems high on Indiana and Mike Davis.......so we're probably out on him.

I think UC is exclusively looking for a big man. If a good one comes along and chooses UC, then they take him. I don't think they'll waste a scholarship on a lower tier backup center.....they really don't need to with Kareem Johnson, Rod Flowers and Whaley here next year. And if Land and/or Hollman gains another year of eligibility, they could be strong underneath. Remember the '92 team really only had decent size in Corie Blount. Reicheneker really kinda stunk and that team got by anyway. Alot of 6'10" to 7' guys can't jump anyway and usually don't grab as many rebounds as the shorter guys with hops.....so it seems (B.J. Grove, Donald Little).

It wouldn't surprise me to see UC find some diamond in the rough center this Spring and take them (ala Kareem Johnson this past Spring). Could it be Ben Elias or this Femi kid? Or someone else who's yet to emerge in JUCO?

The fact that Terwilliger was sitting on UC's bench, Saturday, tells me that they're already hitting '04 hard. If they only have 4 scholarships available and they have Jamar Butler and Terwilliger verballed by this Fall......they can work hard on the other 2 available spots and finish '04 off, hopefully.

Anyone know who else they're recruiting in '04? I hear this Roy Bright kid. Are they recruiting any of these players in Ohio......like Aaron Agnew, Jamal Cornley (spelling), etc.........what BIG underclassmen are they recruiting that they have a shot at?

Back to Land and Hollman: If they gain another year, that would make next year's team pretty darn awesome. We only lose Barker and Stokes, I believe, off the top of my head.

If Land and Hollman can return....next year's squad:

PG Nick Williams, Chadd Moore, Jamal Lucas
SG Bobbitt, F. Williams, John Meeker
SF Flowers, Kirkland, Pilgrim, Hicks
PF Maxiell, Flowers, Hicks
C Whaley, K. Johnson, Land, Hollman, Femi

Gee, do you think they think Hollman and Land won't get another year? They'd have 18 players if those two return. Of course Lucas and Meeker are walk-ons. That would mean either they don't fill the last scholarship this year or one or two guys would have to pay their own way.

More than likely neither will get another year....and I'm sure that's what UC is counting on.

So if we don't get Femi, the center position needs a third backup.

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- Some other names from the State of Ohio -- Chatter, 09:03:12 10/27/02 Sun
  - Johnny Wolf -- JMac, 14:42:04 10/27/02 Sun
- More Ohio recruits -- Chatter, 09:08:29 10/27/02 Sun
  - Gonry is a MAC level player -- bearcatattack, 14:05:01 10/27/02 Sun
    - Agnew really isn't Huggs type of player though, now is he? Isn't he like 350 lbs? I guess if he grows to 7'1 or 2" everyone will be after him....so we would take him I guess......who knows. I hear he's like the 3rd or 4th best player in '04. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:59:15 10/27/02 Sun
- First off chatter, I think your an alright person -- bearcatb, 09:45:33 10/27/02 Sun
  - My idea is to play 3 big men at times for rebounding....that's the only reason....I don't consider some of those guys wing players, I'm not stupid. The '92 team didn't really have a wing guy did it? Sometimes they had Blount, Nelson and Martin in the game at the same time......you have to adjust to your opponent. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:56:36 10/27/02 Sun
- I heard freshman Daquean Cook out of Dayton Dunbar is pretty awesome, he's already like 6'4" and plays the wing (NT) -- Chatter, 17:49:33 10/28/02 Mon
Is UC going after Pilgrim as a fall back because they feel they are going to miss out on Brandon Bass and Jeff Varem or is he a Nice Pick-Up? I never heard of the kid until a month ago and he played for Purcell Marian? Were there any Top 10 Programs recruiting him. -- NC CAT, 11:26:28 10/25/02 Fri
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- Hometown kid that UC was actually helping out -- .bearcatattack, 11:39:41 10/25/02 Fri
  - I really feel for Mike here. He has to choose between family and a program that's been looking out for him since HS. It'll be a tough choice for him. (NT) -- BJ, 12:02:41 10/25/02 Fri
    - We will know in 2 hours -- bearcatattack, 13:10:36 10/25/02 Fri
- WOW! Check out the pictures Brewster on their site ! Why would anyone want to leave there? It looks like a freaking County Club! (NT) -- John J. Powers, 14:20:05 10/25/02 Fri
  - http://www.brewsteracademy.org/Pages/Athletics/AthleticCenter/announce_smith.html -- bearcatattack, 14:29:25 10/25/02 Fri
    - Brewster Academy -- Brewster Academy, 20:58:41 10/26/02 Sat
      - Thanks for not taking "the lobster thing" the wrong way. More importantly, Please check back throughout the year and fill us in about your team and how Mike has been playing. Best of luck to your ballteam!! -- John J. Powers, 14:23:30 10/28/02 Mon
So, what's next? -- BJ, 16:17:13 10/25/02 Fri
Good class of three now. Do we stand pat, and get five next year, or do we use the fourth? I favor standing pat, then loading up with a complete freshman class next year.

Thoughts?

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- Go big -- Cliff, 18:43:08 10/25/02 Fri
  - Only have 4 open scholarships in the 04 class -- bearcatattack, 10:45:11 10/26/02 Sat
    - just how good is he -- BC, 11:13:21 10/26/02 Sat
      - First thing is Mike P has to do is learn the SF postion -- Bearcatattack, 11:40:15 10/26/02 Sat
        
        Fulks to Brown -- bearcatattack, 11:48:06 10/26/02 Sat
      - I think if Kirkland learns to play solid defense, he will be the new SF for the next 3 years after growing pains his frosh year.....just my opinion. From what I hear, the UC staff is even more impressed with Kirkland, now that he's at UC. They think they got a steal. (NT) -- Chatter, 16:28:03 10/26/02 Sat
        
        Are you forgetting about Hicks or do you see him only playing the 4? Few months back posters were talking about Hicks being all world. -- Eggsavier, 17:04:41 10/26/02 Sat
        
        Please stop flaunting your ignorance, Egg! -- The Truth Hurts, 19:15:05 10/26/02 Sat
        
        Why are you always trying to start shit? -- Eggsavier, 20:48:16 10/26/02 Sat
        
        I try to be positive, but right now, until he proves otherwise, I think Hicks is on the back burner. He dug his own grave so far, and until he shows otherwise, I don't think he'll contribute much this year. I hope he proves me wrong.....but so far, he hasn't impressed much. (NT) -- Chatter, 21:37:09 10/26/02 Sat
        
        Chatter, message was directed at Truth not directed at you. (NT) -- Eggsavier, 09:00:56 10/28/02 Mon
off the topic -- upstate bearcat, 11:53:47 10/27/02 Sun
do anyone here know where I can find the schedule of Lebron James basketball team. I am moving to dayton and I hear his team plays in a tourney at the arena but you have to get tickets through the sponser and not the arena.

thanks

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- http://www.stvm.com/vm_athletics/ath_BBK.htm -- bearcatattack, 13:54:12 10/27/02 Sun
  - Thanks (NT) -- upstate bearcat, 08:01:38 10/28/02 Mon
Has UC closed it's 2003 recruiting and started working on 2004 exclusively? -- Chatter, 08:31:32 10/27/02 Sun
I can't read Huggins mind, but here's what I think:

They were pursuing Bass, Varem, and now this Femi kid. Bass isn't even going to visit UC which looks like he's not going to choose UC......surprise, surprise. Varem seems high on Indiana and Mike Davis.......so we're probably out on him.

I think UC is exclusively looking for a big man. If a good one comes along and chooses UC, then they take him. I don't think they'll waste a scholarship on a lower tier backup center.....they really don't need to with Kareem Johnson and Whaley here next year. Remember the '92 team really only had decent size in Corie Blount. Reicheneker really kinda stunk and that team got by anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me to see UC find some diamond in the rough center this Spring and take them (ala Kareem Johnson this past Spring). Could it be Ben Elias or this Femi kid? Or someone else who's yet to emerge in JUCO?

The fact that Terwilliger was sitting on UC's bench, Saturday, tells me that they're already hitting '04 hard. If they only have 4 scholarships available and they have Jamar Butler and Terwilliger verballed by this Fall......they can work hard on the other 2 available spots and finish '04 off, hopefully.

Anyone know who else they're recruiting in '04? I hear this Roy Bright kid. Are they recruiting any of these players in Ohio......like Aaron Agnew, Jamal Cornley (spelling), etc.........what BIG underclassmen are they recruiting that they have a shot at?

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- DeAron Williams 6'7 Jr -- bearcatattack, 14:08:41 10/27/02 Sun
  - I've heard him mentioned on Bob Gibbons before (NT) -- Chatter, 22:00:37 10/27/02 Sun

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