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Date Posted: 17:07:40 10/19/04 Tue
Author: Nick T.
Subject: Re: freedom to chose --NOT
In reply to: Former Member 's message, "freedom to chose --NOT" on 22:36:37 10/18/04 Mon

Hey Former,

Thanks for the information. I read your description a couple of times, it seems to me that the process is changing now from a one man (Sam Mule Lee) show to a sort of legalistic process. It sounds like they want to give lip service to the old arranged marriage by faith, and try to fulfill the law of ubf but scale back to semi-arranged marriage by faith. Is that the impression you get?

How about all the other issues that ubf is known for? How about marrying two people who are still complete strangers? I don't think sharing ubf daily bread at 6 am on ubf property is really a way to get to know somebody. You don't think so either, do you?

I would like to caution young people to not think ubf is renouncing their arranged marraige system, because it is the power base of the ubf leadership. I think if ubf messes with their arranged marriage system too much then it may cause them to lose to control. And when they lose control of the recruit, the ubf will cease to exist, literally. Here is an example.

I remember the reform Koreans tried to defend the ubf arranged marriage by saying "What if we get someone who nobody wants to marry? We can't have everyone getting married but a few ugly people, etc. We have to keep the spiritual atmosphere around here." They were really worried about this issue. I was not sure what their ultimate idea was at that time, but now it seems to me it was not about ensuring everyone's happiness, it seemed like it was to perpetuate the old system in order to maintain control over the individuals. Think about it. How can they maintain their control over the group if they cannot control the individual? I don't see how they can.

If they allowed the individual to choose their own marriage partner, a certain portion could not marry happily (I am saying this as hypothetical, to me most of those ubfmarriages are pretty miserable). Then this unhappy minority would put large cracks in the system. I think ubf uses marriage to buffalo people into thinking that ubf is THE source of God's blessing, and that all who follow ubf shepherds will be blessed.

But if people would see that the system did not work, then many would be able to see thru the ubf and reject and walk out. By allowing the arranged marriage charade to be even partially modified, the reform Koreans thought the whole shepherding system would collapse.

This marriage issue actually ties in perfectly with what PECAS wrote. The marriage issue is ubf's favorite way to stop a young believer from seeking God's will personally.


To me, the control of the marriage issue is the ultimate goal of ubf leaders. They believe if they control the individual, they can control his/her marriage. If they can control the marriage, they can control the family. If they can control all the families, they can control whole chapters and the whole ubf. It is all about control.

Also, I would like to say that they have no authority from the Bible to do arranging of marriages. Jesus, Peter, Paul, none of them ever dared to arrange even one marriage! If Jesus Christ himself did not arrange marriage, who is your ubf leader to try to arrange your marriage in the name of God? Your ubf leader is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

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