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• don't let uncle rip see this -- mugwump, 12:14:51 11/10/09 Tue
  The senior official claims the US has played an influential role in encouraging the watchdog to underplay the rate of decline from existing oil fields while overplaying the chances of finding new reserves.
  
  The allegations raise serious questions about the accuracy of the organisation's latest World Energy Outlook on oil demand and supply to be published tomorrow – which is used by the British and many other governments to help guide their wider energy and climate change policies.
  
  
  'There's suspicion the IEA has been influenced by the US' Link to this audio In particular they question the prediction in the last World Economic Outlook, believed to be repeated again this year, that oil production can be raised from its current level of 83m barrels a day to 105m barrels. External critics have frequently argued that this cannot be substantiated by firm evidence and say the world has already passed its peak in oil production.
  

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• US forces alterations in key oil stats -- mugwump, 12:13:30 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency
  

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• -- -- Winston, 12:12:06 11/10/09 Tue
  Robert Kiyosaki: Silver is the best hedge against inflation! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfgrAKS-sto
  

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• @ Craphouse Crapecs Check ... -- MoreGold, 12:11:30 11/10/09 Tue
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

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• infallible indicator?? -- mugwump, 12:09:02 11/10/09 Tue
  http://safehaven.com/article-14984.htm
  

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• -- -- Winston, 12:02:25 11/10/09 Tue
  latest AAII: 22% bulls; 56% bears.
  

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• Wonder if frustrated is buying GSS..... -- Kitcotodd, 11:53:39 11/10/09 Tue
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• big brother is watching -- 2bro2b, 11:37:29 11/10/09 Tue
  The subpoena (PDF) from U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison in Indianapolis demanded "all IP traffic to and from www.indymedia.us" on June 25, 2008. It instructed Clair to "include IP addresses, times, and any other identifying information," including e-mail addresses, physical addresses, registered accounts, and Indymedia readers' Social Security Numbers, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and so on.
  
  But the Justice Department never replied. "This is the first time we've seen them try to get the IP address of everyone who visited a particular site," Bankston said. "That it was a news organization was an additional troubling fact that implicates First Amendment rights."
  
  http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/09/taking_liberties/entry5595506.shtml?tag=mncol;txt
  
  Making a list checking it twice gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
  
  First they came for the indymedia unprogressives, and I did not speak out—because I was not an indymedia unprogressive.
  

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• PM Stocks -- jesse22, 11:33:29 11/10/09 Tue
  Looks like yesterday's performance of the PM stocks (outperforming the POG)was just a one day wonder. Their back to normal now.
  

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• @ Doran -- fedfighter, 11:23:58 11/10/09 Tue
  Was that you that sent Sinclair the article about the history of fiat and if it was did you see the mention you got?
  

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• cheap wheels -- mugwump, 11:20:35 11/10/09 Tue
  no, it won't survive a hit by a truck
  http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/tata-nano-the-worlds-cheapest-car/
  

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• Well...... -- Hambone, 11:20:20 11/10/09 Tue
  Sold my NEM puts for a Big Mac profit.
  
  Should have waited for the gap fill, but didn't.
  

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• Spot -- philbond007, 11:17:07 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Too the coffee shop!!!
  
  
  
  
  

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• barney frank and male prostitute -- mugwump, 11:16:35 11/10/09 Tue
  another winner from massachusetts
  http://investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=2234&mn=236288&pt=msg&mid=8164335
  

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• obama's hit list -- mugwump, 11:12:45 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2352315/posts
  

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• -- -- Winston, 11:09:50 11/10/09 Tue
  
  
  http://athbo.squarespace.com/
  

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• don't send them into action -- neer-do-well (puzzeled?), 11:09:47 11/10/09 Tue
  neer-do-wellHow does a single man with 3 pistols take on ? at least 43 military field ready soldiers and do so well? He would have to reload. No one made a play for him?
  No eye witness accounts?
  BS
  

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• Been shorting CDE everytime they bump it up -- APOLLO, 10:52:12 11/10/09 Tue
  really has that "goodnite" look to it. Other than that, tough day to make a lot of money.
  

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• If only -- WALIAC, 10:47:32 11/10/09 Tue
  
  We had a way of getting to all those foreigners who keep buying treasuries and telling them that we're not going to pay. Of course, I'll bet most of them are being sold to the fed anyway...
  

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• bought more semafo -- mugwump (), 10:44:42 11/10/09 Tue
  big profits, huge cash flow, dirt cheap
  http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SMF.TO
  

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• dollar resumes march to zero -- mugwump, 10:42:31 11/10/09 Tue
  poo and pog climbing
  http://www2.barchart.com/mktcom.asp?code=BSTK
  

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• A governor -- WALIAC, 10:36:20 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Is a device put on a machine for the purpose of preventing it from spinning out of control. What then is the solution when the governor itself is spinning out of control?
  

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• Pyrite -- Sherlock, 10:26:46 11/10/09 Tue
  Deeply saddened upon reading of the loss of your dear wife. My condolences to you and your family.
  

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• nystrom- pithy and loaded with fact -- mugwump, 10:24:33 11/10/09 Tue
  In retrospect, seeing that Franklin half was a life altering event. It got me interested in coins and money, got me started collecting, and provided me with an education that I otherwise would have missed completely in my public schooling. The old coins were elegant and beautiful. Through them I learned of art, economics, history and culture. At the same time, the new copper clad bicentennial coins were making their way into circulation. I wondered why the new coins were made of silver-colored copper sandwiches instead of real silver, and was told that "there wasn't enough" silver to go around. It was only much later that I learned the real reason - not that there isn't enough silver, but that the value of our money is being steadily eroded through inflation. The result is that even pennies today are no longer made of copper.
  
  My education naturally allowed me to understand the language of Ron Paul, back when most others still thought he was a kook. It was through Dr. Paul that I began to understand the link between sound money and Liberty - another subject that was somehow missed in public school.
  
  But something I've only recently been coming to grips with was hammered home this weekend as I read Charles Goyette's excellent new book The Dollar Meltdown. My entire life has been lived during a period of declining American living standards. The collective cultural mythology of 'the richest country in the world' has been so blinding that until recently, I had failed to acknowledge this simple fact.
  
  The Dollar Meltdown puts America's decline it into a sweeping context that makes our collective outcome impossible to ignore: Plunging living standards, a steadily eroding currency and massive inflation in a nation that has lost its industrial base. If you think things are bad now, they're only going to get worse. To quote Goyette: (p.9)
  
  
  
  Gold's recent advances signal that we are in a period of major transition now. The American dollar's role as the world's reserve currency is inherently unstable and the signs of a breakdown are all around. Just as the monetary authorities have been unable to reinflate the high-tech bubble or the real estate bubble, when the dollar bubble is finally burst, no other paper currency will be able
  

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• Was that a pullback we just had? -- playrightman, 10:22:48 11/10/09 Tue
  LOL!
  

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• don't tax me or thee, tax the tax-advantaged retirement account behind the tree -- 2bro2b (), 10:10:19 11/10/09 Tue
  The biggest pools of money for developed-economy governments to tax are the various types of tax-advantaged retirement plans.
  
  http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/JubaksJournal/get-ready-for-the-big-tax-squeeze.aspx?page=2
  
  I got a firsthand demonstration of the tax squeeze about a week ago. I'm the treasurer for the cooperative that owns the building where I live in New York City. November is budget time, and I met with the management company that runs our building to walk through what it would cost us to run our building in 2010.
  
  It was shocking.
  
  Wages for the workers 3% here, 5% there.
  
  Fuel to heat the building is going to cost us about 38% more in 2010 than it did in 2009.
  
  And taxes. Our management company estimates that real-estate taxes will go up 18% in 2010. That's a huge hit and even more painful than the much larger percentage increase in the cost of fuel, because our real-estate tax bill is roughly five times the size of our heating-oil bill.
  
  An 18% tax increase on top of a 12.5% tax increase? Welcome to the post-financial-crisis United States of Debt.
  
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  Thankfully all this pulp remains cheap so the printing won't cost anybody anything.
  
  Retirement plans? Lure'm into the calm water then rip their faces off.
  
  -overheard at a Street watering-hole, of derivatives
  

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• old fashion co losing money the old fashion way -- mugwump, 10:15:30 11/10/09 Tue
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chicago-Rivet-Machine-Co-prnews-757102522.html?x=0
  

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• Keynes was right... -- WALIAC, 10:12:51 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Gold IS a barbaric metal.
  
  Just barbaric enough to be the only protection we have against the barbarians of a man-made, untrustworthy government.
  

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• altius to form new co with private concern -- mugwump, 10:12:31 11/10/09 Tue
  they'll mine iron ore in labrador
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Altius-Announces-Plans-to-iw-4018525802.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• Mag Silver ...Cinco de mayo Moly & gold -- BUFFORD, 10:11:09 11/10/09 Tue
  moly find ...........huge
  
  
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/MAG-Silver-Expands-HighGrade-iw-47792017.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• svm declares 2 cent dividend- wow!! i'm rich!! -- mugwump, 10:10:05 11/10/09 Tue
  http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/091110/0557397.html?.v=1
  

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• la mancha makes $3 million -- mugwump, 10:08:48 11/10/09 Tue
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/La-Mancha-Reports-Another-iw-3570949123.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• Thanks Philbond - that's a great site -- APOLLO, 10:08:02 11/10/09 Tue
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• Justice Dept. Asked For News Site's Visitor Lists -- duppy, 10:01:32 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/09/taking_liberties/entry5595506.shtml?tag=mncol;txt
  
  becareful out there....
  dUp
  

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• JoeB -- siempre33, 09:55:19 11/10/09 Tue
  
  if it weren't for PBS/NPR there wouldn't be ANOTHER
  perspective for public consumption....other than the
  usual tripe of the MSM....Moyers in particular is a
  very effective interviewer in getting at the core of
  his subject...The Truth...go over the Moyers archive
  and take a listen....making WDC accountable...
  health industry lobby....outstanding programe!
  
  http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/archives/archives.php
  

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• Apollo @NAZ chart -- philbond007, 09:52:34 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Here's "Rambus - Nov 8" weekly chart picked from the fellas at Xiphos, and a link to the rest of them:
  
  http://xiphostrading.tumblr.com/
  
  
  
  

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• Nickel article.... -- siempre33, 09:46:40 11/10/09 Tue
  
  also 'Metals Outlook 2010' link...
  
  http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/Article/Nickel-is-the-metal-of-the-future-analyst/502202.aspx
  

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• Bill Moyers lets loose on Rupert Murdoch -- siempre33 -- JoeB, 09:44:52 11/10/09 Tue
  
  I have little use for Murdoch, but Moyers ain't much better. He's to public corporate media (PBS/NPR), what Murdoch is to private corporate media.
  

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• @ Charles On COAST TO COAST Last Night ... -- MoreGold, 09:42:07 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Pretty scary stuff.
  
  Basically USD meltdown.
  
  ........... The problem is most nations do not want a strong currency.
  
  Sooo... Store your wealth by other means, and let the fiats devalue, to be used mainly for trade function.
  

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• rabidly levitating the corpse -- 2bro2b, 09:41:49 11/10/09 Tue
  Economists at Morgan Stanley measure the amount of cash circulating in the global economy as a percentage of total economic activity.
  Large money injections by the world's central banks have pushed that gauge to its highest level by far since Morgan Stanley began tracking it 30 years ago.
  
  
  
  http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/article/108114/for-stock-investors-bad-economy-isnt-bad
  
  
  
  No pushing-on-a-strings attached...
  
  Long: Pop zombie movie fad.
  
  Please, let this ghastly obscenity rest in
  its rightful resting place. The medium of exchanges
  puts on a good show but its starting to smell,
  at least they could add some formheldahyde to the ink.
  
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  So while the basic economic motors such as sales, employment and credit remain on life support,
  the continued expansion of cheap money means that a basic pillar of the stock market remains in place.
  
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  Look Jane, there's Ben. See Ben run. In place. See Spot.
  See Spot run. Run, Spot, run. From Ben, he's dickless and frothing at the mouth.
  
  http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Fp1TvPT3pZg/RrkwiEw0TmI/AAAAAAAAAGc/JhDEQ-sAsBE/s400/pg_TyphonTomb2.jpg
  

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• Monoimos,......Nice Canuck Family.... -- ROGUEPIERRE, 09:39:10 11/10/09 Tue
  They were all a delight and all seemed to smell like they had showerd.....Amazing!!!!
  

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• Pretty funny - re Murdoch -- APOLLO, 09:37:05 11/10/09 Tue
  The Liberal Elites are self-consumed - engulfed in emotional flames, about the fact that there is a news outlet out there that's not in their back-pocket.
  

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• @ Would Be Nice To Decouple From ... -- MoreGold, 09:34:30 11/10/09 Tue
  
  The DOW here.
  

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• the pros say....Silver will outshine Gold -- siempre33, 09:24:20 11/10/09 Tue
  
  yeah, that's what I keep hearing....
  
  http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/twst/091109/smallcapvalue45.html?.v=1
  

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• Bill Moyers lets loose on Rupert Murdoch -- siempre33, 09:19:59 11/10/09 Tue
  
  Media icon Bill Moyers objects not just to Rupert Murdoch’s politics but to the damage he says the mogul has done to the ailing Fourth Estate. And in this critique, the venerable journalist doesn’t hold back: “If Rupert Murdoch were the angel Gabriel, you still wouldn’t want him owning the sun, the moon and the stars. ... But Rupert Murdoch is no saint. He is to propriety what the Marquis de Sade was to chastity.”
  
  boy! he had that right....
  
  http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070701_bill_moyers_lets_loose_on_rupert_murdoch/
  

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• Who is Rupert Murdoch? -- doran, 09:13:41 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/07/b122948.html
  

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• Goldies -- siempre33, 09:09:22 11/10/09 Tue
  
  most will take a hit at the open....
  the exception: DMM.TO
  

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• Murdoch's War on Journalism -- doran, 09:05:41 11/10/09 Tue
  Outfoxed examines how media empires, led by Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, have been running a "race to the bottom" in television news. This film provides an in-depth look at Fox News and the dangers of ever-enlarging corporations taking control of the public's right to know.
  http://www.outfoxed.org/
  

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• Nevsun--NSU -- playrightman, 09:01:38 11/10/09 Tue
  Very enthusiastic endorsement of the company from Peter Grandich late last week. Cheap at $3, says he, with the promise of production in 18-24 months from now. He regards it as a prime takeover candidate. Yeah, I own some.
  

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• Smythe -- Miniminer, 09:00:46 11/10/09 Tue
  I think that even though the usd is weakening, cash will be the ultimate asset...It is VERY RARE..!
  
  Of course All of this rests with the outcome of FedReserve's 'unconventional monetary policy' meaning that if they can inject new debt and credit FASTER than the contraction, assets probably will rise and value of dollar fall . That's what is happening now..Bernanke is bailing the boat but where is he dumping the buckets?..into the otherside of the boat-unintensionally filling it back up?
  

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• Gold is the most liquid -- Smythe, 08:59:40 11/10/09 Tue
  "Gold and silver owe their monetary role to their property that they are the most marketable goods in existence. In more details, gold is most marketable in the large, and silver is most marketable in the small. The first property is synonymous with "most liquid", the second with "most hoardable". With advances in metallurgy making molar processes more affordable, the hoardability of gold has caught up with that of silver, justifying the movement to replace bimetallism with gold monometallism."
  
  http://www.gold-speculator.com/appenzell-daily-bell/6546-interview-dr-antal-fekete.html
  
  "Real bills are most liquid: only the gold coin has greater liquidity. They are the best earning asset a commercial bank can have."
  
  http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/fekete/2009/1030.html
  

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• Chuck's 2 cents -- siempre33, 08:50:10 11/10/09 Tue
  
  There was all kinds of rumbling, stumbling, bumbling going on in the U.K. overnight, as the rumors were flying that the ratings agency, Fitch, said it would lower the U.K.'s AAA rating... Finally it was confirmed that this was stated in an interview with Reuters, and not an official communiqué' by Fitch... But, dear reader, when there's smoke like this, you can bet there's fire! The pound sterling has taken this news like a blow to the mid-section...
  
  also....81 Billion in Treasury auctions this week...
  

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• @deflationary spiral - Miniminer -- Smythe, 08:44:01 11/10/09 Tue
  what you describe is a rush to liquidity. I am betting that gold is the ultimate liquid asset. Prechter differs. The liquidation seems to me to be cascading down Exter's liquidity pyramid, in which case gold will be the ultimate beneficiary ?
  

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• 'Undeployables' sent to the Afghan front -- doran, 08:32:55 11/10/09 Tue
  Investigations launched since then - in part in response to our article - have revealed that the plight of members of Echo Platoon is not an isolated one. It is, in fact, disturbingly commonplace on other bases throughout the United States. It is from these "holdover units", filled with disgruntled soldiers who have gone AWOL, many of whom are struggling with PTSD from previous deployments in war zones, that the military is hoping to help meet its manpower needs for Afghanistan.
  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KK10Df08.html
  

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• Which big country will default first? -- doran, 08:30:06 11/10/09 Tue
  No leading economy has defaulted on its debt since the 1930s, yet conceivably that could be the fate of the United States, Britain and Japan, an indication of the wrong-headedness of policies taken to address the downturn. The world should hope that the urge for fiscal responsibility hits London, Washington and Tokyo pretty soon. - Martin Hutchinson
  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KK11Dj01.html
  

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• It’s About the Death of Small Business -- doran, 08:25:51 11/10/09 Tue
  Numerous analysts have made the point that in all previous post-war recoveries, it was small business that led job creation. During the 1980s and 1990s large businesses lost employment and small businesses grew. The fact that job losses at small business are evidently far higher than those at large businesses does not make this look like any recovery at all.
  http://blog.atimes.net/?p=1224
  

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• MarineTraffic.com Live Map Vessels Ports Gallery -- doran, 08:22:57 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/
  

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• Oil floats high on easy money -- doran, 08:21:00 11/10/09 Tue
  Conspiracy theorists need only look at the number of tankers berthed over the horizon from Singapore to find support for the notion that speculators are helping to drive up the cost of oil. Media pundits favor the "China demand fits all" approach. Reality seekers in the United States should delve a bit deeper, and look a bit closer to home. - Julian Delasantellis
  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KK11Dj02.html
  

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• Prechter -- Miniminer, 08:18:59 11/10/09 Tue
  Deflationary Spiral---
  
  Some people are beginning to see how a deflationary spiral works. As explained in Robert Prechter’s best-seller Conquer the Crash, debtors are forced to sell all they can, even their best assets, to raise cash and satisfy creditors. That’s one reason why gold and silver prices do not rise in a deflationary spiral. When the sub-prime mortgage market crashed, guess what: other bonds, including supposedly safe municipal and corporate bonds, also fell.
  
  Even if most price declines are due to forced selling, that selling in turn will decrease the total value of investments, which will curtail individuals’ and companies’ economic activity, which leads to an economic contraction, which will stress the issuers of such bonds to the point that they cannot make interest payments or return principal.
  
  Despite this description, a deflationary spiral is not linear. When the debt burden becomes too great for the economy to support and the trend reverses, reductions in lending, spending and production cause debtors to earn less money. Defaults rise because they can't pay off their debts. Default and the fear of default exacerbate the new trend in psychology, which in turn causes creditors to reduce lending further.
  
  Just as the previous boom fed on optimism, a deflationary spiral feeds on pessimism. The resulting cascade of debt liquidation often results in deflationary depression. To raise cash to pay off loans, borrowers will desperately try to sell everything that’s not nailed down, including stocks, bonds, commodities, real estate, even art and collectibles. Prices for these assets plummet.
  
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  at this point, the Fed has filled alot of the hole except it will have to figure out a way to convince the masses to take on more credit. As of last report, consumer credit has contracted for 14 straight months and the year on year rate of decline is -7.5% Does the Fed and govt have the stomach for more bailouts? remember , it's a deflationary spiral which is bound to find effeciencies(productivity,firing)and cause a temporary upturn only to meet more pessimism...we may be close to another round down in the spiral.
  

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• Says it all -- Smythe (), 07:49:09 11/10/09 Tue
  Brown after he wrote a letter to mother of dead soldier and spelled the name wrong. Also, Poppies as jinogoistic military re-inforcement, in Murdoch's rag :
  
  
  

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• Great Charts Philbond -- APOLLO, 07:27:17 11/10/09 Tue
  NAZ Chart - very bullish. Looks like it will carry the SM higher. Gold's got a little room to run before the USD turn around/bounce - looking to sell @ USD 72
  

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• Close that gate.............but the cows already escaped! -- AZAU, 07:12:46 11/10/09 Tue
  EU nations back new bankers' pay, capital rules
  EU finance ministers back tighter rules for bankers' pay, capital requirements for securities
  
  * On 6:42 am EST, Tuesday November 10, 2009
  
  BRUSSELS (AP) -- European Union countries on Tuesday backed new financial oversight rules for bankers' pay and for how much extra capital banks should set aside to cover high-risk investments.
  
  The new rules, agreed by finance ministers, still need the support of the European Parliament before they could enter into force in late 2011 at the earliest. Finance ministers said they were prepared to negotiate the details of the rules with lawmakers before they are finalized.
  
  The rules would, for the first time, give financial supervisors the right to examine and fine banks if their pay reward programs trigger high-risk behavior, when traders or executives expose a bank to long-term losses by focusing too much on their own pay packets.
  
  They also increase capital requirements and transparency for some assets that banks hold in their trading book and for resecuritization instruments, which ministers said "entail higher risks on account of their complexity and their sensitivity to losses."
  
  The wide network of complex financial investments -- such as collateralized debt and securities -- sparked last year's financial crisis. Banks seized up lending because they were unsure about their own and others' potential losses when the underlying assets of such investments -- such as U.S. subprime housing loans -- slid rapidly in value.
  
  The European Commission, which drafted the rules, said they would help "put an end to the culture of excessive risk-taking for short-term success at the expense of long-term profitability and sound risk management."
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• When folks found out about clandestine Lloyds taxpayer bailouts....... -- AZAU, 07:10:21 11/10/09 Tue
  Lloyds Bank cutting or moving 5,000 more jobs
  Lloyds Banking Group says 5,000 jobs affected in latest cuts as it reorganizes operations
  
  * On 7:00 am EST, Tuesday November 10, 2009
  
  LONDON (AP) -- Britain's Lloyds Banking Group PLC said Tuesday that it plans to cut about 4,300 jobs and transfer 680 more in a series of reorganizational moves in its group operations, insurance and retail division.
  AP - People enter the headquarter of Lloyds Banking Group in the City of London, Tuesday, Nov. 3, 2009. ...
  
  The bank, which was bailed out by the government, had already announced a total reduction of 6,400 jobs in the first half of the year. It employed about 118,000 people at the end of June.
  
  It said the latest round of job-cutting would affect 5,000 employees, including about 2,400 contractors, temporary staff and offshore personnel.
  
  Lloyds said 680 of the affected positions will be redeployed to one of seven sites in its retail division.
  
  "This Lloyds Banking Group announcement of 5,000 job losses demonstrates the depth of corporate arrogance within this taxpayer-supported bank," said Rob MacGregor, a union national officer.
  
  He called for an agreement with the company that there would be no compulsory layoffs.
  
  "We will continue to work closely with our colleagues affected by today's announcement to help them through these changes over the coming year," said Mark Fisher, group integration director at Lloyds.
  
  The government,which holds a 43.4 percent stake in Lloyds Banking Group, announced last week that it would inject another 5.7 billion pounds to take up its share in Lloyds' planned record-breaking 13.5 billion pound rights issue.
  
  Lloyds announced at the same time that it would dispose of more than 600 branches, or 4.6 percent of its total, over the next four years to appease EU competition regulators.
  
  Lloyds Banking Group was formed in January when Lloyds TSB took rescued Halifax/Bank of Scotland.
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• Well, looks like Gila blew another gasket last evening, -- AZAU, 07:07:00 11/10/09 Tue
  he seems to run at an elevated temp and pressure, from the beans, no doubt!
  
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• CC .. -- Delta-au (), 06:23:29 11/10/09 Tue
  a dollar break here would prolly test 71'ish, another 5% down .. or .. for PoG fans .. 5% UP ..
  
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• Dollar -- CoralCalcium, 06:13:19 11/10/09 Tue
  Looks like a double bottom. Hope I'm wrong and they can't hold it.
  

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• $USD .. just needs a leeeetle ... -- Delta-au, 06:01:27 11/10/09 Tue
  P U S H ...
  http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=D&yr=0&mn=6&dy=0&id=p02528035370
  

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• korea warfare -- mugwump, 05:56:19 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573527,00.html
  

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• Platts 4th Annual European Carbon Capture and Storage .. -- Delta-au, 05:54:02 11/10/09 Tue
  Dear Mr Delta,
  
  2010 from policy to practice
  
  Platts 4th Annual European Carbon Capture and Storage: From Policy to Practice conference will continue to provide attendees with an unrivalled update on Europe’s developing CCS market, funding allocation, policy changes, lessons learned from European and international case studies and practical solutions to the challenges of commercialisation — supply chain infrastructure, storage liability, public support and finance.
  
  Key presentations include:
  
  Keynote address: From demonstration to commercialisation
  Dr. Graeme Sweeney, Executive Vice President, Group CO2 Management, Shell International Petroleum Company
  
  Keynote address: CCS – Capitalising on first mover’s advantage
  Nick Horler, Chief Executive Officer, ScottishPower
  
  Keynote address: Carbon, cost and consequences
  Milton Catelin, Chief Executive Officer, World Coal Institute
  
  Keynote address: The challenge of making CCS happen
  Paul Golby, Chief Executive, E.ON UK
  
  Keynote address: Building upon BP’s CCS and environmental experience
  Gardiner Hill, Director CCS Technology, BP
  
  Keynote address: What do we learn with the Lacq CCS Industrial demonstration?
  Manoelle Lepoutre, Executive Vice President, Sustainable Development and Environment, TOTAL
  
  
  The above was detected as Spam ..
  

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• india goes from price taker to price maker- holmes -- mugwump, 05:53:20 11/10/09 Tue
  And with this purchase from the IMF, India has gone from being a price taker as a jewelry consumer to being a price maker as an investor. This is the sort of change in government policy that we watch for in shaping and maintaining our investment models. It is significant that India, the second largest country in the world by population and the largest gold jewelry consumer, may have created a new floor for gold at $1,000 per ounce.
  
  The presence of a big bullish buyer tends to create a big bullish buzz for gold. We’re seeing it now – gold on Friday surpassing $1,100 an ounce – and history suggests it may last a while.
  Around this time in 2005, for example, Russia announced that it was doubling its gold holdings from 5 percent to 10 percent of its reserves. At that time, gold was selling for about $490 an ounce. A year later, the price was up 30 percent.
  
  Of course, Russian purchases weren’t the only thing that drove up gold – back then the dollar was dropping, federal deficits were colossal, markets were volatile and investors faced negative real interest rates.
  
  \We have the same conditions now, but on an even greater scale following the credit crisis, steep recession and the massive economic stimulus programs created around the world.
  
  Our consistent suggestions is that investors consider a maximum 10 percent allocation to gold – half of the exposure in bullion and the other half in gold equities. The factors we’ve described above tend to be positive for gold and gold investing – the vote of confidence by a serious buyer like India may make a good situation even better.
  
  Frank Holmes is CEO and chief investment officer at U.S. Global Investors, a boutique investment advisor specializing in natural resources and global emerging markets. The company manages the U.S. Global Investors World Precious Minerals Fund (UNWPX) and the U.S. Global Investors Gold and Precious Metals Fund (USERX). Read more insights from Frank Holmes and the U.S. Global Investors investment team at the investment blog “Frank Talk.”
  

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• -- -- Winston, 05:43:52 11/10/09 Tue
  Tim Knight chart--oil at a 50% retracement level:
  http://slopeofhope.com/2009/11/taking-a-queue-from-crude.html
  

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• ackerman's next target- $1134 -- mugwump, 05:40:31 11/10/09 Tue
  We doubt such troubles lie in store for Comex gold, however. Even though the December contract dropped back $10 to end the day, we are still holding to an 1134,50 target that has been a long time in coming. Quite a long time, actually, since it was first signaled back in May when gold was trading around 935. Accordingly, we’re advising subscribers with long-tern positions to lighten up if and when the rally hits 1134.50, a “Hidden Pivot” resistance. We strongly expect a tradable pullback from that number just as we are seeing from 1111.90. Please note, however, that if the rally were to push past the 1134.50 target by as little as $2-$3 on the day it is first hit, we’d infer there’s enough buying power for a short- to intermediate-term finishing stroke to at least 1174.90.
  

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• Robert Green Ingersoll, "Orthodoxy" (1884) -- doran, 05:16:28 11/10/09 Tue
  Is there an intelligent man or woman now in the world who believes in the Garden of Eden story? If you find any man who believes it, strike his forehead and you will hear an echo. Something is for rent.
  

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• Robert G. Ingersoll -- doran, 05:02:27 11/10/09 Tue
  The agnostic does not simply say, "l do not know." He goes another step, and he says, with great emphasis, that you do not know. He insists that you are trading on the ignorance of others, and on the fear of others. He is not satisfied with saying that you do not know, -- he demonstrates that you do not know, and he drives you from the field of fact -- he drives you from the realm of reason -- he drives you from the light, into the darkness of conjecture -- into the world of dreams and shadows, and he compels you to say, at last, that your faith has no foundation in fact.
  http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/ingersoll.htm
  

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• Robert Ingersol was a scientologist -- mozel, 04:49:47 11/10/09 Tue
  before they had a name.
  

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• healthcare reform is economic malpractice -- mugwump, 04:49:11 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.safehaven.com/article-14970.htm
  

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• @irony - Iainmac -- Smythe, 04:46:38 11/10/09 Tue
  put it in quotes for dopes like me.
  
  Anything else you want to pick at ?
  
  Yes. Yesterday. "Geologists like jnr explorers". They would wouldnt they ?
  

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• sino gold- new high -- mugwump, 04:40:13 11/10/09 Tue
  http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SGX.AX
  

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• randgold makes $11 million- so what? -- mugwump (), 04:35:18 11/10/09 Tue
  semafo made $13 million
  http://www.marketwatch.com/story/randgold-swings-to-profit-in-third-quarter-2009-11-10?siteid=yhoof2
  http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/external/reuters/SIG=118cks9u6/*http%3A//www.reuters.com/legacyArticle?duid=mtfh31153_2009-11-09_21-15-50_bng459417_newsml&rpc=44&type=marketsNews
  

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• gss record gold sales -- mugwump, 04:32:15 11/10/09 Tue
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Golden-Star-Reports-Another-iw-3688018441.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• is it too late to buy gold? -- mugwump, 04:29:00 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=86625
  

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• rob davies- minesite -- mugwump, 04:24:16 11/10/09 Tue
  Gold Hits $1,100 As The Anglo-Saxon Economies Show Signs Of Becoming Addicted To Stimulus
  
  By Rob Davies
  
  Without doubt the most important news last week for anyone interested in commodities was the announcement that India bought 200 tonnes of gold from the IMF. It might only represent US$6.7 billion out of the country’s US$277 billion of reserves, but its significance is greater than that. In combination with buying interest from other central banks, this move indicates that central banks this year will become net buyers of gold for the first time since 1998.
  
  Not all central banks are equal of course, but it is instructive to note that some of them are moving nominal assets like dollars into hard assets like gold, while others are doing the opposite. The Bank of England is creating more nominal assets through quantitative easing and the US Federal Reserve is doing something similar with its ultra low interest rate policy.
  
  Another rise in US unemployment to 10.2 per cent, the highest unemployment rate seen for 26 years, was all the markets needed to be confirm their view that US rates will stay low for as long as necessary, for an “extended period” in the official jargon.
  
  The reaction to both news items was to push gold up to new high of US$1,109 an ounce, and to widen the spread between 10 year and two year US Treasuries to 264bps. Investors have decided that the authorities in the UK and US are simply going to print enough money to inflate their way out of this crisis.
  
  This view accords with that of Bill Gross who runs PIMCO, the world’s biggest bond fund manager. He believes that lax monetary policy over the last decade or so in conjunction with the growth in the shadow banking system and aggressive (or even irresponsible) lending by the traditional banks has inflated asset prices across the board.
  
  Some observers might think that the solution to this would be for asset prices to fall. But no, Gross argues that the only solution is for governments to continue pumping money into the developed economies in order to maintain asset prices at current levels. Like an addict, the only solution is more and more stimulus.
  
  That means anyone looking to buy cheap houses, cheap shares or cheap metals is going to be disappointed. After all, both the UK and the US governments have got vast shareholdings in banks that need to be refinanced and eventually sold off. It’s not just a case of the authorities changing roles from poacher to gamekeeper. They are playing both roles at the same time.
  
  In such an environment it is therefore no surprise to see gold rise and base metals follow in its footsteps. Over the past week, a 1.3 per cent fall in the dollar was mirrored by a 1.1 per cent rise in copper to US$6,526 a tonne, although the other metals were weaker. Aluminium fell 2.6 per cent to US$1,885, and nickel dropped 3.8 per cent to US$17,805. Lead fell 0.2 per cent to US$2,415 per tonne, while zinc fell 1.7 per cent to US$2,,185 a tonne.
  
  The sheer scale of the liquidity being pumped into capital markets by the Anglo Saxon central banks will be enough to overwhelm any doubt about the bearish outlook for the short term. In the medium term, the authorities will be sincerely hoping that normal economic growth will be resumed and that this will allow the stimulus to be gradually reduced.
  
  If that doesn’t work then the Indian central bank might be getting visitors from London and Washington asking for instructions on Plan B.
  
  
  
  
  
  
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• I'm so sorry -- Iainmac (), 03:25:15 11/10/09 Tue
  I was being ironic.
  
  http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Irony
  

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• You misunderstand, I'm afraid -- Iainmac, 03:26:58 11/10/09 Tue
  I was referring to people who pay Mahamstra $450 a year for his "advice".
  
  Any more posts you want to find and pick at?
  

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• Father of “Kalashnikov” turns 90 -- doran, 03:24:38 11/10/09 Tue
  The rifle came into its own during the Vietnam War when US troops often removed AK-47s from dead Vietnamese soldiers, preferring them to their own sophisticated, but unreliable US-made M-16 rifles.
  http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News.html
  

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• @Perhaps it's a cunning plan -- Iainmac, 23:23:34 -- Smythe, 03:24:31 11/10/09 Tue
  
  "to bankrupt the complete f*ckwits of the world...."
  
  that would be the savers and producers and the guy who worked all his life for a pension. Nice.
  

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• @Keynes was right.... -- Iainmac, 21:23:32 -- Smythe, 03:21:32 11/10/09 Tue
  Gold was good for a time when Govts were LESS trustworthy than they are now ? LOL !
  
  Keyenes was almost NEVER right. Maybe only about the most solid empirical relation in economics(according to him, and based on Gibson) , the correlation between POG and the general price level, and even then he ignored his own conclusion, and decided that gold was barberous.
  

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• After 950 tries woman in Korea passes test for driver's license -- doran, 03:13:01 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.examiner.com/x-28320-World-News-Examiner~y2009m11d9-After-950-tries-woman-in-Korea-passes-test-for-drivers-license
  

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• Lucky escape on train track -- doran, 03:10:00 11/10/09 Tue
  http://media.smh.com.au/national/breaking-news/lucky-escape-on-train-track-848710.html?from=timeout&sy=smh&source=smh.com.au%2F
  

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• terrorist, extremist, Islamic, Muslim.... -- siempre33, 02:56:23 11/10/09 Tue
  
  to divert attention away from the real Story,
  these words serve their purpose extremely well...
  
  the "believe it or not" remarkable ongoing saga
  playing out behind the scenes; the power struggle
  is in its death throws....the Truth is told....
  

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• China to Overlook Call for Yuan Gain, Researchers Say -- doran, 02:23:54 11/10/09 Tue
  http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aVAr3z74IwEw&pos=1
  

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• Robert G. Ingersoll's Vow -- doran, 02:03:52 11/10/09 Tue
  When I became convinced that the universe is natural-that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood, the sense, the feeling, the joy of freedom. The walls of my prison crumbled and fell, the dungeon was flooded with light, and all the bolts, and bars, and manacles became dust. I was no longer a servant, a serf, or a slave. There was for me no master in all the wide world-not even in infinite space.
  
  I was free-free to think, to express my thoughts-free to live to my own ideal-free to use all my faculties, all my senses-free to spread imagination's wings-free to investigate, to guess and dream and hope-free to judge and determine for myself-free to reject all ignorant and cruel creeds, all the "inspired" books that savages have produced, and all the barbarous legends of the past-free from popes and priests-free from all the "called" and "set apart"-free from sanctified mistakes and holy lies-free from the fear of eternal pain-free from the winged monsters of the night-free from devils, ghosts, and gods.
  
  For the first time I was free. There were no prohibited places in all the realms of thought-no air, no space, where fancy could not spread her painted wings-no chains for my limbs-no lashes for my back-no fires for my flesh-no master's frown or threat-no following another's steps-no need to bow, or cringe, or crawl, or utter lying words. I was free. I stood erect and fearlessly, joyously, faced all worlds.
  
  And then my heart was filled with gratitude, with thankfulness, and went out in love to all the heroes, the thinkers who gave their lives for the liberty of hand and brain-for the freedom of labor and thought-to those who proudly mounted scaffold's stairs-to those whose flesh was scarred and torn-to those by fire consumed-to all the wise, the good, the brave of every land, whose thoughts and deeds have given freedom to the sons of men. And then I vowed to grasp the torch that they had held, and hold it high, that light might conquer darkness still.
  http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/09/robert-g-ingersolls-vow.html
  

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• US Army attack 'not terror plot' -- doran, 01:58:43 11/10/09 Tue
  The FBI says that a US Army major suspected of killing 13 people was not part of a "broader terrorist plot".
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8351740.stm
  

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• North Korea warns of naval clash -- doran, 01:56:48 11/10/09 Tue
  North Korea's navy has accused South Korea of sending warships across their maritime border to stir tensions.
  
  The North warned that further incursions across the disputed border could spark retaliations
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8308564.stm
  

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• Korean navy ships 'exchange fire' -- doran, 01:54:39 11/10/09 Tue
  Naval ships from north and south Korea have exchanged fire along their disputed western sea border, with a North Korean ship suffering heavy damage before retreating
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/10/north-korea-south-navy-ships-exchange-fire
  

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• Old People Talking About the Internet: Rupert Murdoch Edition -- doran, 01:50:34 11/10/09 Tue
  http://gawker.com/5400442/old-people-talking-about-the-internet-rupert-murdoch-edition
  

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• Murdoch Plans To Hide His Sites From Google, The World Yawns -- doran, 01:47:29 11/10/09 Tue
  News Corp. is a huge media conglomerate – is Google scared? Notsomuch. The company seems more concerned with which Sesame Street character to feature on its homepage. Google has long made it clear that all it takes is a few simple edits to the “robots.txt” file, and the spiders from Mountain View will scurry on down the road.
  
  In a statement, a Google spokesperson said Google News consistently sends news sites about 100,000 clicks a minute, but that no one’s forced to be indexed. “Publishers put their content on the web because they want it to be found, so very few choose not to include their material in Google News and web search,” the statement said. “But if they tell us not to include it, we don’t.”
  http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/11/10/rupert-murdoch-get-lost-google/
  

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• Murdoch: Get lost, Google -- doran, 01:44:38 11/10/09 Tue
  News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch said he would consider blocking Google spiders from indexing his companies' content.
  http://features.csmonitor.com/innovation/2009/11/10/rupert-murdoch-get-lost-google/
  

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• The Fellowship (Christian organization) ...From Wikipedia -- doran, 01:41:33 11/10/09 Tue
  Author Jeff Sharlet did intensive research in the Family's archives, before the Family archives were closed to the public. He also spent a month in 2003 living at a Fellowship house near Washington, and wrote a magazine article describing his experiences. In his 2008 book about the Family, he criticizes their theology as elitist, an "elite fundamentalism" that fetishizes political power and wealth, consistently opposes labor movements in the US and abroad, and teaches that laissez-faire economic policy is "God's will." He criticizes their theology of instant forgiveness for powerful men as providing a convenient excuse so that elites who commit misdeeds or crimes can avoid accepting responsibility or accountability for their actions.[18]
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29
  

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• if you want to see Zionist Media in action -- crazytimes, 01:39:56 11/10/09 Tue
  Go to this link. It is a "map" of "popular" news stories. It has been nothing but Fort Hood since it happened, drowning out all the other categories of news.
  
  http://www.newsmap.jp/
  

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• Nice Canucks -- Monoimos, 01:33:06 11/10/09 Tue
  On a flight to Orlando form memphis I sat next to wonderfull Canuck family coming from Alberta to enjoy Disney. He ran a power plant and had very positive things to say about renewable energy although his plant was coal fired.
  
  They were all a delight and all seemed to smell like they had showerd. They had nothing bad to say about America
  and seemed to be happy about being here.
  
  He had never heard of Kitco or the Kitco Voy group. I hope he doesnt come here because once he does his view of all Americans will change.
  

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• The Political Enclave That Dare Not Speak Its Name -- doran, 01:27:26 11/10/09 Tue
  The Sanford and Ensign Scandals Open a Door On Previously Secretive 'C Street' Spiritual Haven
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062504480.html
  

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• The Propaganda Machine at the Wall Street Journal -- crazytimes, 01:26:14 11/10/09 Tue
  Dr. Phil and the Fort Hood Killer
  "His terrorist motive is obvious to everyone but the press and the Army brass. To kill your fellow Americans—as many as possible, unarmed and in the most helpless of circumstances, while shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is great), requires, of course, only murderous hatred—the sort of mindset that regularly eludes the Dr. Phils of our world as the motive for mass murder of this kind"
  
  
  By.........................................Dorothy Rabinowitz
  
  
  
  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574525831785724114.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular
  

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• 2_point, 19:19:06 -- philbond007, 01:09:41 11/10/09 Tue
  
  It probably started with my post at goldtent of LilDevil's NASA link on the 2012 end of the world hype. Being the Hagee/Robertston freaks they are, this didn't fit well into their "Jesus is returning" by 2012 theme. In hindsight, I can see how Smythe's Haaretz link really put things over the top and qualified me as some kinda Jew hater in their eyes.
  
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• fraily market recap -- BUFFORD, 01:02:13 11/10/09 Tue
  http://breakpointtrades.com/controls/preview.php?la_id=817
  

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• The Deceivers are not decieving as well anymore. Beware the World -- crazytimes, 00:55:24 11/10/09 Tue
  
  http://www.sott.net/articles/show/196321-Cry-Weapons-Smuggling-And-Let-Slip-The-Dogs-Of-Deception
  
  
  Cry "Weapons Smuggling!" And Let Slip The Dogs Of Deception
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  Joe Quinn
  SOTT.net
  Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:39 EST
  The recent alleged discovery by Israel of a boatload of "Iranian weapons destined for Syria and Hizb'allah" is designed to distract from growing global public awareness that Israel is a terrorist state guilty of the most despicable war crimes.
  
  The UN fact finding mission on the Israeli attack on Gaza from Dec 27th 2008 to Jan 18th 2009, aka "The Goldstone Report" was released on September 15th 2009. Initially the scope of the investigation was limited to violations of international and human rights law by Israeli forces alone. The official wording was:
  
  to dispatch an urgent, independent international fact-finding mission, to be appointed by the President of the Council, to investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law by the occupying Power, Israel, against the Palestinian people throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territory, particularly in the occupied Gaza Strip, due to the current aggression, and calls upon Israel not to obstruct the process of investigation and to fully cooperate with the mission.
  
  Given that it was patently obvious to the entire planet (or most of it) that Israel unilaterally bombed the hell out of the Gazan population for over three weeks killing 1000 civilians, among them 400 children, (4 Israeli civilians were killed) the above wording seemed reasonable. But Israel has never paid much attention to what the world thinks or knows, and even after the scope was expanded to include:
  
  all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law that might have been committed at any time in the context of the military operations that were conducted in Gaza during the period from 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, whether before, during or after.
  
  Israel still balked and refused to co-operate with the investigative team, blocking their entrance to Gaza from Israel. Even the appointment of South African judge Richard Goldstone, a devout Jew and fervent defender of Israel's "right to peace and security", to head the investigation was not enough for the Zionist zealots.
  
  Judge Richard Goldstone defending his report that condemns Israeli war crimes in Palestine
  
  What the Israeli government seemed incapable of grasping was that the result of the investigation would be determined not a priori by its statement of mandate but a posteriori by the evidence. Israeli officials had full freedom to present their case before the investigative team. The problem of course is that when it comes to objective data and the truth about the Israel/Palestine conflict, the Israeli government's arguments consistently collapse into defenseive mode.
  
  When all the deputations and depositions had been heard, the report was released. It's main finding was that:
  
  the Israel Defence Force (IDF) and Palestinian armed groups committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity. While the report condemned violations by both sides, it more strongly criticized Israeli actions.
  
  The details of these "war crimes" by both the IDF and Palestinian armed groups were:
  
  Blockade of Gaza allegations
  
  The Israeli military action was directed at the Gaza population as a whole. The Gaza blockade represents the continuance of an overall policy of disproportionate force aimed at collective punishment. The report read, "Families are still living amid the rubble of their former homes after the attacks ended, as reconstruction has been impossible due to the continuing blockade (of Gaza by Israel)".
  
  Civilian targeting allegations
  
  The report disputed Israel's claim that the Gaza war was conducted in response to rockets fired from the Gaza Strip, saying that the war was targeted against the "people of Gaza as a whole." The report exact words were that Israel's military assault on Gaza was designed to "humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability".
  
  Al-Maqadmah mosque incident
  
  In the incident, the report stated that the Israelis intentionally bombed the al-Maqadmah mosque on the outskirts of Jabilyah when between two and three hundred men and women were inside during evening prayers, killing fifteen of them. Goldstone said, "Assuming that weapons were stored in the mosque, it would not be a war crime to bomb it at night... It would be a war crime to bomb it during the day when 350 people are praying".
  
  The report focused on 36 cases that it said constituted a representative sample. In 11 of these episodes, it said the Israeli military carried out direct attacks against civilians, including some in which civilians were shot "while they were trying to leave their homes to walk to a safer place, waving white flags". According to the report, other alleged war crimes committed by the IDF included the "wanton" destruction of food production, water and sewerage facilities. The report also asserts that some attacks, which were supposedly aimed to kill small numbers of combatants amidst significant numbers of civilians, were disproportionate.
  
  The report concluded that Israel violated the Fourth Geneva Convention by targeting civilians, which it labeled "a grave breach".
  
  Zeytoun incident
  
  According to the investigation by the mission members, based on interviews with family members, neighbors, Palestinian Red Crescent personnel, submissions from various NGOs and visits to the site, a hundred members of the extended al-Samouni family were gathered together in one house after the fighting in the area was over, ordered there by Israeli soldiers patrolling their Gaza neighborhood of Zeytoun as part of the ground phase of the Gaza War. When five men stepped out of the house to collect firewood, a missile hit them - fired, possibly, from an Apache helicopter. Several more missiles followed, this time aimed directly at the house. In all, 21 family members were killed, including women and children. When the surviving al-Samounis attempted to leave and make their way to Gaza City, they were told by an Israeli soldier to return to the house.
  
  Al-Fakhura school incident
  
  The report says that IDF's mortar shelling near the United Nations-run Al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp, which was sheltering some 1300 people, killed 35 and wounded up to 40 people. The investigation did not exclude the possibility that Israeli forces were responding to fire from an armed Palestinian group, as Israel claimed, but said that this and similar attacks "cannot meet the test of what a reasonable commander would have determined to be an acceptable loss of civilian life for the military advantage sought". The mission criticized IDF for the choice of weapons for the supposed counterstrike and concluded that the IDF strike at the Al-Fakhura street violated the law of proportionality.
  
  White phosphorus allegations
  
  The report found that Israeli forces had been systematically reckless in their use of white phosphorus. Its authors highlighted the Israeli attack on the UN Relief and Works Agency compound in Gaza City on 15 January, the attack on the Al Quds hospital, and the attack on the Al Wafa hospital, each of which involved the use of white phosphorus. They described its use as disproportionate or excessive under international law. More generally, the UN report recommended that "serious consideration should be given to banning the use of white phosphorus in built-up areas."
  
  Human shields allegations
  
  The report also accused Israel of using Palestinians as "human shields" and torturing detainees. These barbaric practices are not unique to the Gaza war, but this is the first time Israel has been formally cited for such behaviour. The revolting irony here is that Israel explained away the high number of civilian casualties by accusing the Palestinian armed groups of using the population as "human shields."
  
  I'll stop there. Naturally there were many more incidents where Israeli forces deliberately targeted and murdered civilians on the way to reaching the total of at least 1000 dead, but the above gives a general idea of the way the IDF troops and air force conducted themselves.
  
  Of course, it would not be in keeping with the (revised ) mandate and scope of the investigation if I left out the details of those "war crimes" committed by Palestinian armed groups. So here they are, or rather here it is:
  
  The report also stated there is evidence that Palestinian armed groups committed war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity by deliberately launching rockets and firing mortars into Israel, calculated to kill civilians and damage civilian structures. The report accused Palestinian armed groups of causing psychological trauma to the civilians within the range of the rockets. It also concluded that killings and abuses of members of the Fatah political movement amount to a "serious violation of human rights."
  
  That's it, one paragraph. Four Israeli civilians killed by wayward sugar-fueled rockets apparently amounts to joint complicity by Palestinian groups in war crimes. Sounds rather one-sided, does it not? Even so, Israel was not happy with the final report or the fact that on October 15th the UNHRC endorsed it, a move that may send it on to more powerful UN bodies, like the Security Council, for their consideration. Israeli President Shimon Peres said:
  
  "[the report] makes a mockery of history, it does not distinguish between the aggressor and the defender. War is crime and the attacker is the criminal. The defender has no choice. The Hamas terror organization is the one who started the war and also carried out other awful crimes."
  
  Of course, Perez and his ilk would say such things, because lying comes naturally to them. The reality is that, as even Israeli daily newspaper Haartez reported, the attack on Gaza was planned by the Israeli government six months in advance. To kick off proceedings, the Israeli government broke a five-month-long ceasefire with Hamas by assassinating six Hamas officials in Gaza six weeks prior to the attack on November 4th 2008, and then used Hamas's response to justify the attack in December.
  
  True to form, on November 3rd, the US House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed resolution H. Res. 867 (344 for-36 against), calling the report "irredeemably biased and unworthy of further consideration or legitimacy." And yes, lies come naturally to the majority of members of Congress too, just in case you were wondering.
  
  The Israeli and US complaints notwithstanding, a majority of European nations welcomed the report and it's findings, with even the French and British governments supporting its findings.
  
  Of course, it would not be in keeping with the duplicitous nature of either the Israeli or American governments to take a slap from world opinion lying down. And so, right on cue, like the proverbial bolt from the blue, on November 4th, one day after the Congressional resolution condemning the UN report, Israeli forces just happened to detain, with the help of US intelligence, what they said was a cargo ship loaded with Iranian weapons destined for Syria and Hizb'allah.
  
  Antigua-flagged Francop on it's way to the Israeli port of Ashdod
  
  Is the fact that this weapons haul happened on the same day that the UN was considering the Goldstone report just an amazing coincidence? Or is it just pure luck? What we can say for sure is that the discovery of a boatload of "Iranian weapons" and the wonderful photo op for the Western media that it provided, was perfectly tailored to distract attention from the damning Goldstone report and refocus it on the US/Israeli message that Iran and Syria and Hizb'allah, and by implication the Palestinian people, are the real problem in the Middle East.
  
  The Israeli ambassador to the U.N. wasted no time in complaining to the United Nations on Thursday that this was "an Iranian attempt to skirt a U.N. arms embargo and supply weapons to the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah."
  
  Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got in on the act and made it abundantly clear what his point was:
  
  "This is a war crime that the General Assembly meeting today should investigate and discuss," Netanyahu told reporters in Tel Aviv. "It is a war crime that the UN Security Council should have a special meeting over. It explicitly violates Security Council decisions."
  
  "It is a war crime that we know the Iranian regime intended for Hizbullah to carry out after they already fired thousands of rockets at our communities. This is what the international community should focus on especially today," he added.
  
  I believe his point was to stress that this was a "war crime" and - somewhat more subtly - hint that two can play the U.N. game. Of course, the only difference between Netanyahu's "war crime" claim and the Goldstone report is that the Goldstone report is based on objective data while Netanyahu's "boatload of Iranian weapons" evidence bears all the hallmarks of a Mossad operation. In truth, unless he is lying (very possible) Netanyahu seems a little confused about what constitutes a war crime.
  
  Netanyahu and Obama joke about the definition of "war crime"
  A shipment of weapons to Hizb'allah is not a "war crime". It is a shipment of weapons that has not even reached its destination, and in the case of the Francop, never will. For a more precise understanding of what a war crime is, the Israeli Prime Minister should look back over some of the military video of "Operation Cast Lead" earlier this year when his stormtroopers bombed schools and hosptials and refugee camps in Palestine.
  
  Israeli government sources claimed that cargo certificates showed the Francop had sailed from Iran and was bound for Syria, from where the weapons would be transferred to Hezbollah in Lebanon. For some unknown reason however, the Israeli military refused to show the documents that would confirm this.
  
  A UNIFIL (UN Interim Force In Lebanon) spokesman said the group considered the charge the weapons were destined for Hezbollah as yet "unproven."
  
  An official with Cyprus-based United Feeder Services told Reuters it had acted as the time charterer and carrier for the Francop, charged with loading and discharging the vessel.
  
  
  Come one come all! Francop weapons on display for the world to see in Israel
  
  "The vessel sailed from Damietta (Egypt), and was bound for Limassol, Cyprus and then Lebanon, Turkey and back to Damietta," the official, who declined to be named, said.
  
  "We are not allowed to open up containers to see what is inside," he said. "We do not have much information. We just know that the vessel was seized and was forced to go to Ashdod to check the cargo."
  
  Given that the Israeli government refused to provide the damning cargo certificates that would corroborate their claim that the ship had sailed from Iran, we must assume that they are lying and that the ship and cargo began its journey in Damietta, Egypt.
  
  IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi (himself a war criminal) said yesterday that the capture of the Francop was part of an extensive battle.
  
  Speaking at the Kirya army base, he said, "I would like to express my appreciation to the navy men and to the Mossad men. Without them the intelligence would not have been this accurate."
  
  The fact that the Mossad was involved simply serves to increase suspicion that we are dealing with deception and fantasy rather than reality when it comes to the origin of this particular boat load of weapons.
  
  While Israeli officials have stated that the weapons on board were "Iranian made", the truth is somewhat different. Writing on several of the boxes is in Spanish ('disparos', 'espoleta') and describes American made anti-tank weapons (CSR 106 M40). Correct me if I am mistaken, but last time I checked the official language of Iran was Persian, and in Syria and Lebanon they generally speak Arabic. And Iran doesn't make Spanish versions of the US 1960-70s era M40. The largest rockets in the shipment were 122-millimeter Katyushas, which have a range of about 20 miles. Compared to the Israeli arsenal of US made fighter planes, tanks and war ships, not to mention hundreds of nuclear weapons, the Francop appears to have been carrying a cargo of 320 tons of aging weapons that are of little threat to anyone, let alone Israel.
  
  Since the discovery, Hezbollah has staunchly denied any link to the weapons seized from the Francop.
  
  Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, in a joint press conference with his Syrian counterpart Walid Muallem, dismissed the Israeli allegations out of hand and stated that the ship was not carrying Iranian-made weaponry for Syria or Lebanon, but was in fact "carrying Syrian-made items for consumption in Iran."
  
  The closest approximation to the truth that can be gleaned here is that either Iran had sold the weapons to Syria, or Syria had sold the weapons to Iran. Either way, there is nothing unlawful about the shipment if we consider the reality of the international arms trade. The white phosphorus that Israel used against Palestinian civilians in Janurary this year was manufactured and sold by the USA. Ten times the amount allegedly snared by the Mossad and the Israeli Navy aboard the Francop was delivered by the US to Israel in the midst of the Israel's war crimes in January. You can be sure that cargo included weapons fresh off the assembly line. The entire Francop arms shipment is nothing more than a propaganda stunt by Israel and the US to distract attention from the recent Goldstone report and the ongoing criminality and illegality of the state of Israel.
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• Coast to Coast -- Prime8, 00:46:58 11/10/09 Tue
  Monday Night, 10 p.m. PST. Charles will be on Coast to Coast AM George Noory to discuss his book and the coming currency crisis. The program will be broadcast live in every major city in the country. Please click here for a list of Coast To Coast Affiliate Stations.
  
  http://www.coasttocoastam.com/affiliates
  
  more
  
  http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/dollar-meltdown-book-review.html
  

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• @ Sirius/XM . -- Prime8, 00:29:52 11/10/09 Tue
  one should be able to do a free 2-3 trial on the net i believe.
  

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• Mish email from Faber -- Prime8, 00:27:42 11/10/09 Tue
  Mish says:
  Today, 8:20:53 PM
  “I received this email today from Marc Faber ....
  
  Further attempts to reflate will do nothing but create a currency crisis, crash the economy, and add to future liabilities that cannot be paid back. A global economic crisis is coming. When and how it manifests itself is all that remains to be seen.
  
  Agree on this one....
  Kind regards
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• Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, whistleblower -- pu-ukani, 21:55:59 11/09/09 Mon -- Gidsek, 00:13:07 11/10/09 Tue
  hmmmm Pierre Lassonde said in that interview on KingWorld that was posted here the other day that conventional oil production peaked in 2005. Not that Pete is an oil eggspurt or anything but it pays to listen to him usually.
  
  Other the hand maybe the whistle blower works for the vampire squid and they're getting ready to have us on again.
  

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• @ Sirius/XM ... Bill Fitzhue On #16 ... -- MoreGold, 00:07:00 11/10/09 Tue
  
  This guy does amazing classic vinyl mixes, 1/2 hr. on right now for anyone subscribing.
  
  If your into music you have to listen to this!
  

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• @ Way Way Waaaaay Out There In Swammi Land ... -- MoreGold (), 00:01:51 11/10/09 Tue
  
  WTF... How long can you keep issueing and reiterating your same losing prognostications, and still have liquid investors ready to put up even more dough ???
  

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• Spamryn @ m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob, 23:38:20 11/09/09 Mon
  Friend:
  
  I am SURE that she is yer "type"
  Butttttttttttttttttttt
  Don't st0p whinin'...........LOL
  
  Big Bob
  (My bro is back in Honolulu Now
  I got him set-up & Tradin'
  He's doin' pretty well on my Recos
  Undoubtedly even u dipshits r doin' OK
  As long as GOLD is Flyin'
  
  But I never $ea nuthin' buttttttt
  Day-Trade$ & Bitchin' Hear
  Sew I'll leaf u 2 yerselves
  
  I know u Twits think there is N0 Future
  And, undoubtedly, for u there is nAUght
  
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• Koreas shooting at each other -- Mikikis, 23:32:56 11/09/09 Mon
  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/n-korean-patrol-boat-damaged-in-clash-with-s-korean-navy/story-e6frg6so-1225796156632
  

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• Perhaps it's a cunning plan -- Iainmac, 23:23:34 11/09/09 Mon
  to bankrupt the complete f*ckwits of the world....
  

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• Even funnier -- Mikikis (), 23:05:37 11/09/09 Mon
  Mahendra's latest attempt to "get it right".....(Nov. 4th)
  
  "Dear Members,
  
  Gold is sitting at record high at $1,092 but we are not interested. In the final run of bull market, prices can move to any level but always after the final run bear market starts and that's what we see. It can move more than two percent or even five percent but the crash after this bull market will be very severe for gold so I once again warn investors to trade carefully. The rises and falls of gold will be similar to those we witnessed in oil in 2008.
  
  
  
  Buy Sep 2010 puts in gold and come back to me after a few months and let me know how much money you have made. During the fall of oil hardly few people made money and rest crowd was just watching it fall. Hardy fewer had guts to sell on the top.
  
  
  
  Stock markets are trading in uncertain zone. Jobless rate is still rising, banks are still not lending and people still don’t want to borrow. Only excess liquidity is holding this market. The richer and the wall street gang are celebrating but main street is showing a different picture. Anyway our job is to give you a direction of future coming trend. Here is what I see today after the rate decision:
  
  
  
  Buy Dollar fearlessly as all planets are saying that only rising dollar can save the world, and only rising dollar will bring Dow to 32,000. Dollar Index is trading around 76.20 and this is a fantastic level to buy. I don't care about FED rate decision at all at this stage because whatever Fed decision comes out, will force dollar to move rapidly higher. If dollar falls from here it will end the history of USA and at this stage I don't see that happening.
  
  
  
  Gold and other metals are in the final phase and we will see crash soon. History will remember this coming fall so please avoid it. It is fine if you are not making money in this rising trend because it can trap you in the fastest fall. Gold top will be $1,097 or $1,107 and silver won't able to break previous highs from here. Their down ward journey will start."
  
  http://www.mahendraprophecy.com/LatestFlash.asp?Id=500&Page=1
  

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• Funny -- Mikikis, 23:00:30 11/09/09 Mon
  "I am reliably informed that Bill Murphy of GATA 'fame' has just written to his shee.. SORRY!... his subscribers today and informed them that...
  
  "I am raising the price of a Café subscription from $199 to $299 as of midnight on Sunday, November 15."
  
  
  But wait up! Isn't this is the very same Bill Murphy of the very same GATA that wrote on February 25th , 2009 about the company called ECU Silver (ECU.to) and stated clearly that:
  
  "If this stock (ECU.to) is not at $3 US, or CDN, by the end of the year, I will cut the Café’s subscription price in half for 2010, or $100 versus the now $199 … which means I will lose hundreds of thousands of dollars if this dog does not hunt … am putting my money and my mouth where my money is. So be it … either way."
  
  So let's just check on ECU.to and see how close it is to that magical $3 barrier:
  
  Hmmmm...does the phrase "EPIC FAIL" mean anything to you?
  
  Clearly, Bill has not suddenly turned into a twisted, scheming, lying and manipulative moneygrabber (nay nay, perish the thought) but has simply suffered from a bit of memory lapse. So therefore, IKN takes it upon itself to do the right thing and inform Bill Murphy of GATA about his piece of harmless forgetfulness. All you need to do is pass this post on to Mr. Murphy and I'm quite sure he'll send out another mail to GATA-types where he offers to stand good on his own word of honour and drop the price by a c-note rather than raise it."
  
  http://incakolanews.blogspot.com/2009/11/bill-murphy-of-gata-has-nasty-case-of.html
  

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• Gila - Why don't you ask Tamryn to set up a special site for you and Miro -- morbius, 22:49:00 11/09/09 Mon
  You two could have a ball. I'm sure if you ask nicely.......
  

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• Geeze -- Gila_Bob (), 22:40:18 11/09/09 Mon
  Friends:
  
  If ya cannot save yer OWN A$$
  Don' l00k fer Help from Mois
  
  Yer the f*cker$ whinin' about thee Ap0c0lyp$e
  Ain't there sum kinda Shit-fer-Brains
  Tea-Bagger $upp0rt Gr0up???????????
  
  LOL
  
  Big Bob
  (l00k at the "content" here..................PATHETITIQUE!!!!!!!
  jU$ta Fox Nude$ re-hash mixed with RepublicRAT Tawkin' point$
  
  U Turkeys DESERVE Each Udder
  Enjoy the Stye...........shit
  Invite thTARD Backque............)
  

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• Rack.........yes, Golden, Colorado...........he said he has plenty for -- AZAU (), 21:55:23 11/09/09 Mon
  everybody. But I think he lives in a Foo-Foo house; not very sturdy. You could hide out in the mountains. Prolly find his exact location by the methane plume.
  P.S., they grow tons of beans in colorado.
  

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• pu-ukani........oil........they almost had everyone convinced there -- AZAU, 22:00:32 11/09/09 Mon
  is no peak oil. Govt studies and statistics == professional Liars to calm the herd. You do want the herd to stay calm, now, don't you?
  

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• Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower -- pu-ukani, 21:55:59 11/09/09 Mon
  The world is much closer to running out of oil than official estimates admit, according to a whistleblower at the International Energy Agency who claims it has been deliberately underplaying a looming shortage for fear of triggering panic buying.
  
  The senior official claims the US has played an influential role in encouraging the watchdog to underplay the rate of decline from existing oil fields while overplaying the chances of finding new reserves.
  
  The allegations raise serious questions about the accuracy of the organisation's latest World Energy Outlook on oil demand and supply to be published tomorrow – which is used by the British and many other governments to help guide their wider energy and climate change policies.
  
  In particular they question the prediction in the last World Economic Outlook, believed to be repeated again this year, that oil production can be raised from its current level of 83m barrels a day to 105m barrels. External critics have frequently argued that this cannot be substantiated by firm evidence and say the world has already passed its peak in oil production.
  
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency
  

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• Heeez jes' kidding -- Earl, 21:54:27 11/09/09 Mon
  Gov. David Paterson told the state Legislature on Nov. 9, 2009, if there aren't immediate cuts made to education and hospitals New York State will be broke before Christmas.
  
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• Rack......necessities. -- AZAU -- Rack, 21:52:45 11/09/09 Mon
  Do you have Gila's address? No sense me doing all that preparation when I could just move in with him.
  

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• what will happen as the SM goes to bubble heights...... -- AZAU, 21:50:50 11/09/09 Mon
  with no underlying revenue streams....
  
  you do the math.
  
  
  hey, hey.
  

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• Rack......necessities. -- AZAU, 21:47:48 11/09/09 Mon
  Ask Gila with his 500 pounds of anasazi beans...heh, heh.
  

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• when the final collapse begins, it will likely happen very -- AZAU, -- Rack, 21:41:41 11/09/09 Mon
  What steps have you taken?
  Just comparing in case I missed something. Agreed, we do not have long.
  

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• oh, No! ...........Adult Supervision Strikes Again! .......... -- AZAU, 21:40:24 11/09/09 Mon
  EU objects to Oracle's takeover of Sun
  European regulators object to Sun-Oracle deal; Oracle to fight "profound misunderstanding"
  
  * By Jordan Robertson, AP Technology Writer
  * On 9:18 pm EST, Monday November 9, 2009
  
  SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- European antitrust regulators have formally objected to Sun Microsystems Inc.'s planned $7.4 billion sale to Oracle Corp., escalating a battle over a deal that has already been cleared in the U.S.
  
  The so-called "statement of objections" that Sun received Monday from the European Commission isn't entirely surprising, since the commission already expressed concerns about possible harm to the database market from an Oracle-Sun tie-up when it launched a formal antitrust probe of the deal in September.
  _____________________________
  
  How dare you prevent monopolies!
  

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• golden star loses a cent -- ballgame, 21:27:39 11/09/09 Mon
  Production was up but apparently so were costs. An impairment charge plus some derivitive loss and the bottom line bleeds red again. Doesn't look like breakoutworthy news.
  
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Golden-Star-Reports-Another-iw-3688018441.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• -- -- Winston, 21:25:02 11/09/09 Mon
  collapsing credit at all levels--I think of it like rapid decompression on a 747. Everyone is left gasping for...cash in hand.
  

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• Keynes was right.... -- Iainmac, 21:23:32 11/09/09 Mon
  In his first book, Indian Currency and Finance , published in 1913, Keynes wrote: "A preference for a gold currency is no longer more than a relic of a time when governments were less trustworthy in these matters than they are now . . . "
  
  
  http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/db8b3404-cd99-11de-8162-00144feabdc0.html
  

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• amazing how many of the junior charts are turning parabolic -- Nuclearson, 21:21:00 11/09/09 Mon
  will the party stop at DOW 10,500?
  
  we wait and watch..
  

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• AZAU that is what I am thinking -- Nuclearson, 21:12:18 11/09/09 Mon
  gold and silver that people hold till the crash will never be trading it for paper
  they will be trading it for stuff
  good stuff
  

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• if things continue the way they are with the dollar and gold -- Nuclearson, 21:10:48 11/09/09 Mon
  then mahendra will be all washed up
  he is putting his entire reputation and career as a soothsayer on the line with his call that the dollar is going to 120
  and gold will crash to 400
  
  what a dunce
  him and prechter should get along good together in their fallout shelter hiding from their paid subscribers that lost their asses listening to them
  

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• I continue to find it amusing how people that obviously do not understand the bible -- Nuclearson, 21:08:05 11/09/09 Mon
  think that the old testament is still in force...in fact none of it is to christians...it really should be left out. It is there only for history and to make the book fatter.
  
  It is for the jews, it is still their law I guess since they do not believe anything about the new testament..
  
  I guess it is just for people like skinee to confuse his mind and make him think stupid thoughts
  

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• collapsing bank credit..........rapidest ever....this is the death knell of a -- AZAU, 21:03:24 11/09/09 Mon
  pure credit based economy. Once it collapses, it will be cash or barter....or gold, silver.
  

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• Marc Faber, possible rebound of the dollar; well, I might agree as a trader, but -- AZAU, 20:54:38 11/09/09 Mon
  when you see US buying its own bonds, this is a point of no return. Continued zero interest and massive stimuli and injections guarantee the demise of the dollar. The big question is whether the asian producer economies can transition to gold, and whether there is enough gold, for the dollar collapse to accelerate down the TEWBS!
  

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• -- -- Winston, 20:51:15 11/09/09 Mon
  total bank credit is decreasing at a rate never before seen in the history of modern data collection. This is being reflected in consumer credit, business credit, all forms of credit - except for Federal Government debt.
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• Miniminer..........when the final collapse begins, it will likely happen very -- AZAU, 20:46:47 11/09/09 Mon
  quickly, like the Soviet collapse. There will be no time to prepare. So you must be ready, already.
  

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• Azau -- Miniminer, 20:42:49 11/09/09 Mon
  It's just feckin torture watching the system implode while the bankster parasites do their business right out in the open now. They don't even care what the people think because they have the politicos under their thumb protecting them..... The repubs and dem's are the same monster and have us trapped---throw these people out and hunt them down.....sickening.
  

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• the coffin boys -- mugwump, 20:20:48 11/09/09 Mon
  rom the November 2009 HRA Journal
  
  David Coffin & Eric Coffin, HRA Advisories
  
  
  
  India’s central bank taking 200 tonnes (6.4 million oz) of gold from the IMF in an off market trade has certainly lit a fire under the yellow metal. While a trade of that nature was anticipated, India, which is about the savviest of commercial gold players, was not atop the expected buyers’ list. Given the greenback was steady and that gold’s chart went near vertical when the overnight rumor became official, it is likely that the big long position that came into the market forced some covering on the short side. Is this more than a spike?
  
  
  
  We think India’s move could be, in part, a signal it should have a bigger chair at economic tables, which we agree with. Since Indians are the biggest gold buyers on the planet, lifting a perceived overhang from its market has the side benefit of protecting an existing wealth pool of its citizens. And the near US $7 billion price tag is not large against India’s $260 billion foreign reserve holdings.
  
  
  
  However, it does have a bigger impact on gold’s market (about $115 billion annually, now) and that got noticed. Also, it will further establish the notion of a currency basket that includes gold as a global trading medium, and conversely a weaker greenback. That should continue the move of capital into gold as $ hedge.
  
  
  
  In saying that, we realize that it would be tough for gold to replace the oil market as a home for dollar hedge trades simply because of the oil markets much larger scale. But oil can not continue to gain without causing major problems for the near term economy, nor can oil rise if other energy components are not doing the same. Scale aside; gold makes sense as a place to place anti-dollar bets, and especially for players worried about longer term wealth preservation. But so too do other metals.
  

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• carmack -- mugwump, -- Carmack, 20:18:17 11/09/09 Mon
  I know you don't "like" Bush you "love" the BushWacker and the million dead Iraqis !!
  

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• lord jim sez- send in the clowns -- mugwump, 20:16:31 11/09/09 Mon
  whoops, he said," bring in the comets"
  http://jsmineset.com/
  

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• carmack -- mugwump, 20:12:53 11/09/09 Mon
  i didn't like bush
  i don't like obama
  hey, i'm an equal opportunity taxpayer
  

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• PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail -- skys39, 20:12:28 11/09/09 Mon
  http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583
  
  i would like to see them try this on the gang bangers
  
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• slw makes $33 million net- 45 million cash flow -- mugwump, 20:10:51 11/09/09 Mon
  hey, they're smoking
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Silver-Wheaton-reports-record-prnews-3171293225.html?x=0&.v=11
  

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• silvercorp- another powerhouse -- mugwump, 20:06:45 11/09/09 Mon
  nice net income and cash flow
  http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/091109/0557095.html?.v=1
  

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• Mugsie - BushWacker eyes lol -- Carmack, 20:03:38 11/09/09 Mon
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPOIS5taqA8
  

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• semafo's a little powerhouse- strong earnings and cash flow -- mugwump (), 20:00:24 11/09/09 Mon
  SEMAFO Reports Record Net Income of $13.4 Million for the Third Quarter 2009
  Mon Nov 9, 1:26 PM
  
  http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/09112009/30/link-f-cnw-semafo-reports-record-net-income-13-4-million.html
  
  Cash flow from operating activities up by 21% to $24,301,000
  
  SEMAFO TSX-SMF
  http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SMF.TO
  

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• don't comply with obama?? -- mugwump, 19:51:26 11/09/09 Mon
  get 5 years in the clink
  http://www.thedailycrux.com/content/3333/Healthcare/eml
  

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• A month of soliciting -- Carmack, 19:51:10 11/09/09 Mon
  advice from high level over paid experts when all Obombomb need do is look at the numbers.
  
  * 13 000 Russian casualities
  
  *1 million dead Afghanies
  
  Between December 25, 1979 and February 15, 1989, a total of 620,000 soldiers served with the forces in Afghanistan (though there were only 80,000-104,000 serving at one time): 525,000 in the Army, 90,000 with border troops and other KGB sub-units, 5,000 in independent formations of MVD Internal Troops, and police forces. A further 21,000 personnel were with the Soviet troop contingent over the same period doing various white collar and blue collar jobs.
  
  The total irrecoverable personnel losses of the Soviet Armed Forces, frontier, and internal security troops came to 14,453. Soviet Army formations, units, and HQ elements lost 13,833, KGB sub-units lost 572, MVD formations lost 28, and other ministries and departments lost 20 men. During this period 417 servicemen were missing in action or taken prisoner; 119 of these were later freed, of whom 97 returned to the USSR and 22 went to other countries.
  
  There were 469,685 sick and wounded, of whom 53,753 or 11.44 percent, were wounded, injured, or sustained concussion and 415,932 (88.56 percent) fell sick. A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops. There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases. Of the 11,654 who were discharged from the army after being wounded, maimed, or contracting serious diseases, 92 percent, or 10,751 men, were left disabled.[71]
  
  After the war ended, the Soviet Union published figures of dead Soviet soldiers: the total was 13,836 men, an average of 1,512 men a year. According to updated figures, the Soviet army lost 14,427, the KGB lost 576, with 28 people dead and missing.[72]
  

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• Almost 2 million in 2 months -- Carmack (), 19:27:17 11/09/09 Mon
  In the light of various attractive Government incentives currently being offered to consumers, car sales across China saw a 75.8% rise for the month of October. The surge in car sales is being viewed by many as another sign of the fact that the country's economy is rapidly growing.
  
  As many as 946,400 personal cars were sold across China in October, a sharp rise compared to the figure of 538,500 recorded for the same month last year. This is, however, slightly lower than the September sales figure of 1.02 million units. The data has been confirmed by the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers." fossil fuel sucking new cars hit the road in China in 2 months.
  
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• Wheaton beating them on all threez Silver that is -- BUFFORD, 19:24:06 11/09/09 Mon
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Silver-Wheaton-reports-record-prnews-3171293225.html?x=0&.v=11
  

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• Luuuuuuuuuuuc!!!! -- siempre33 (), 19:21:15 11/09/09 Mon
  
  Luc Robitaille, a long-time Kings fan favorite,
  was originally drafted 179th in 1984 by LA....
  
  he will be inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame
  tonight in Toronto, as the highest scoring left-winger
  of all-time....more on Luc here...
  http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/subject.aspx?subjectid=57771
  
  
  

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• @ Who'da thunk it! @ philbond007 - 09:05:52 11/09/09 -- 2_point, 19:19:06 11/09/09 Mon
  ref: http://www.voy.com/64855/1254435774.html
  
  I'd have thunk it !
  
  Phil - you are not allowed to make that
  kind of stateMENT ( reference ) at the Gold-Tent
  forum lest ye be banished
  
  be aware that some of them ( may ) post at this venue
  http://goldtent.net/wp_gold/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/georgia-1.jpg
  the first on the Left ( of that picture ) does
  ( Foxy )
  profiling R US
  
  across the message boards
  
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• So why is once criminal Usury now common practice? -- doran, 19:11:33 11/09/09 Mon
  Brett Weiss, Maryland Bankruptcy Blog answers this question in his article Whatever Happened to Usury Laws?
  http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2009/04/09/credit-card-debt-trap-is-usury
  

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• Only a coward submits to known thieves and thugs -- RIP, 18:57:36 11/09/09 Mon
  Your move.
  

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• Once the collapse begins, it cannot stop.... -- AZAU, 18:56:26 11/09/09 Mon
  The people must be flogged even harder to extract more tribute from them to the banksters. That die is cast, and there is no reversing the collapse.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 18:51:10 11/09/09 Mon
  see y'all later
  
  RIP, i'll try and get here sooner tomorrow, but don't hold yer breath
  

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• Teh goo requested people admit they could not live without banksters -- RIP, 18:51:00 11/09/09 Mon
  ...and guess what the people did?
  Just like going to war with Iraq.
  
  What a sad piece of shit this has become.
  

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• When the people surrendered the last control over the banksters -- AZAU, 18:42:33 11/09/09 Mon
  last year, it was a singularity, that now sucks everything into it from everywhere. Collapse.......into a black hole.
  

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• @ it's their last ditch effort to save the evil system they have created -- RIP, 18:39:12 11/09/09 Mon
  All that needs done...is a majority of the debt purged from the system.
  The question is....can the economy withstand it?
  
  Bankers say...tough shit.
  We have ours.
  
  And that is the failing of bailing out ANY bank.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 18:38:56 11/09/09 Mon
  Central Bank of Turkey
  
  Overview of the Inflation Report October 2009
  http://www.tcmb.gov.tr/yeni/eng/
  
  you're going to have to navigate a little to get this pdf. 11 pages and several charts.
  
  "Resource utilization is anticipated to remain below the long-term average for some time"
  
  check out the chart on page 7, the "Inflation Forecast" they have a 5 quarter period between 2010 Qtr 3 and 2011 Qtr 3 they call a "Control Horizon"
  
  interesting choice of words.
  

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• RIP..........it's their last ditch effort to save the evil system they have created.... -- AZAU, 18:34:17 11/09/09 Mon
  that feeds on the body and soul of everyone. Such a system cannot survive. Collapse is guaranteed by greed.
  

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• Robert G. Ingersoll -- doran, 18:34:00 11/09/09 Mon
  "The Gods" (1876) as published in The Gods and Other Lectures (1879); this was one of his earliest versions of what became known as his "Creed". Some variants:
  Justice is the only worship.
  Love is the only priest.
  Ignorance is the only slavery.
  Happiness is the only good.
  The time to be happy is now,
  The place to be happy is here,
  The way to be happy is to make others so.
  Wisdom is the science of happiness.
  

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• Robert G. ingersoll -- doran, 18:31:41 11/09/09 Mon
  "The Gods" (1876) as published in The Gods and Other Lectures (1879)
  
  While utterly discarding all creeds, and denying the truth of all religions, there is neither in my heart nor upon my lips a sneer for the hopeful, loving and tender souls who believe that from all this discord will result a perfect harmony; that every evil will in some mysterious way become a good, and that above and over all there is a being who, in some way, will reclaim and glorify every one of the children of men; but for those who heartlessly try to prove that salvation is almost impossible; that damnation is almost certain; that the highway of the universe leads to hell; who fill life with fear and death with horror; who curse the cradle and mock the tomb, it is impossible to entertain other than feelings of pity, contempt and scorn.
  

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• Money ain't worthless -- RIP, 18:30:08 11/09/09 Mon
  It's harder than ever to come by.
  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/us-banks-expect-tighter-credit-terms/article1356890/
  
  Some people need to give their head a shake.
  
  By creating banks too big to fail....the goo has created an environment in which no one will lend.
  Congrats....assholes.
  

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• miniminer............yes, and unfortunately it will end badly, -- AZAU, 18:25:29 11/09/09 Mon
  with the money becoming worthless.
  
  There really is noother outcome that will restore sanity and honesty. Goodbye frn.
  

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• pitchforks -- Miniminer, 18:22:17 11/09/09 Mon
  ...I mean really, this bs economy is about counting money..the counters make up ways to count more and call it 'production'.the Govt says it is growth because they are owned by the top counters...makes as much sense as calling McDonalds hamburgers a 'product'..a feckin hamburger is food and destroyed after it is produced, it does nothing for the economy....look at the counters take the Dow up, and it is new 'production'
  

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• Leviticus 11:1-47 (King James Version) -- doran, 18:20:37 11/09/09 Mon
  http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Leviticus+11%3A1-47
  

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• @@Why Can't I Own a Canadian? -- skys39, 18:17:27 11/09/09 Mon
  early hebrews broke the covenant..so it does not apply today
  

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• - -- faloffal, 18:13:39 11/09/09 Mon
  France and Philippines Central banks point to ENERGY as the deflation culprit
  
  Won't be long before they 'do something' to a oil artery, maybe block it.. YEAH! give you heart attack in pocketbook, one more time... bomb your new 'stuff' cause you can't 'handle' those new toys!
  
  so, i'm guessing, those guys in developing world with NEW wheels, gaz hogs, big car for the gRowing family,,, maybe they gonna get the shaft here soon
  

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• - -- faloffal, 18:06:35 11/09/09 Mon
  Bank of France explains deflation parameters
  http://www.banque-france.fr/gb/publications/telechar/focus/focus_3.pdf
  
  "If, however, the rate of inflation falls
  into negative territory, to –1% per year for example, and this decrease is expected to last, this is deflation"
  
  wooopsie...
  
  lookie all those NEGATIVE numbahs at Philippine Central Bank inflation stats!
  

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• @ cotton -- RIP, 17:58:08 11/09/09 Mon
  The Confederacy was backed by cotton bonds...until they lost New Orleans.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:57:40 11/09/09 Mon
  St.Andrews SAS.to
  
  Bufford
  
  part of the complex heading higher!
  
  FrancoNevada ~support~ doesn't hurt either. SAS another strange loop. Nice add
  

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• Thank you for reminding us of that letter -- Iainmac, 17:53:07 11/09/09 Mon
  which has been circulating the internet since the year 2000
  
  http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:53:03 11/09/09 Mon
  mozel
  
  cotton is good, it's Egypt's big cash crop. If the USA needed cotton back in mid 50's then they would of surely supported Nasser, who wanted to trade cotton for armaments.
  USA South is a topic for today. Well guys, was the USA South going to support Egypt? Help them build Aswan High Dam so they could grow even more cotton?
  
  Russia needed cotton, so they did the arms deal.
  
  once it went thru, France/England/Isreal attacked, and bombed the military hardware before Joe6pack Egyptian could be properly trained.
  
  Sell no wine before it's time!
  

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• @Why Can't I Own a Canadian? -- mozel, 17:44:53 11/09/09 Mon
  *Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to
  people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an
  observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
  Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following
  is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was
  posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:*
  
  Dear Dr. Laura:
  
  Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
  learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as
  many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle,
  for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to
  be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however,
  regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
  
  When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing
  odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the
  odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
  
  I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
  In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
  
  I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period
  of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I
  have tried asking, but most women take offense.
  
  Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
  provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
  claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
  Why can't I own Canadians?
  
  I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly
  states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
  
  A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination -
  Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree.
  Can you settle this?
  
  Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
  defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
  vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
  
  Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
  their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
  should they die?
  
  I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
  unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
  
  My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops
  in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
  different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
  and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
  getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
  just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
  who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
  
  I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can
  help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
  unchanging.
  
  Your devoted fan,
  skinee
  

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• Good on Blankfein -- RIP, 17:43:55 11/09/09 Mon
  He's daring you.
  
  How much do you care?
  

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• Blankfein..........god -- AZAU (), 17:37:21 11/09/09 Mon
  of course he has to take a little "bonus" now and again,
  with god's work bein' so expensive and all that....
  

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• Key oil figures were distorted by US pressure, says whistleblower -- Iainmac, 17:40:27 11/09/09 Mon
  The world is much closer to running out of oil than official estimates admit, according to a whistleblower at the International Energy Agency who claims it has been deliberately underplaying a looming shortage for fear of triggering panic buying.
  
  The senior official claims the US has played an influential role in encouraging the watchdog to underplay the rate of decline from existing oil fields while overplaying the chances of finding new reserves.
  
  The allegations raise serious questions about the accuracy of the organisation's latest World Energy Outlook on oil demand and supply to be published tomorrow – which is used by the British and many other governments to help guide their wider energy and climate change policies.
  
  http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/09/peak-oil-international-energy-agency
  

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• Blankfein..........god's little helper.... -- AZAU, 17:38:46 11/09/09 Mon
  give him a pitchfork.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:37:31 11/09/09 Mon
  Central Bank of France
  
  http://www.banque-france.fr/home.htm
  
  if you go to this site, have a look at the "Future of Financial Regulation"
  
  they talk about current financial crisis being a crisis because it was not regulated
  
  jeez, if only. My life would of been, like 'totally' different dudes.
  

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• Franco Neveda record gold revenue -- BUFFORD, 17:36:30 11/09/09 Mon
  thats what is supposed to happen in a gold bull market ...
  
  
  http://www.franco-nevada.com/files/11-09-09.pdf
  

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• AZAU - Blankfein - The Shadow knows..... -- morbius, 17:34:47 11/09/09 Mon
  
  

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• Blankfein had better STFU........ -- AZAU, 17:29:33 11/09/09 Mon
  what a totally immoral @sshole.
  

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• Japan, Germany and Iraq did not ask for those bases -- RIP, 17:25:51 11/09/09 Mon
  They simply got them.
  

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• Lloyd Blankfein, goldman doing "god's work"........... -- AZAU, 17:24:04 11/09/09 Mon
  If that's true, I would hate to see the devil's work.
  
  Is there anything more evil that Goldman Sachs, the Vampire Squid?
  
  Feeding on the taxpayer, whilst destroying what is left of their destruction of the US economy.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:23:16 11/09/09 Mon
  glad to hear your son is recovered LSteve.
  
  My daughter was not too long ago visiting Washington State.
  

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• @ South did NOT ask for all those bases there -- RIP, 17:22:59 11/09/09 Mon
  How could they refuse?
  

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• LSteve - Seattle -- WileE, 17:21:41 11/09/09 Mon
  I like the Brooklyn Oyster House. 2nd and Univ. Good happy hour and nice place to dine if you are by yourself. Sit at the bar and have diner. A few blocks from the convention center.
  

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• pog highs -- skys39, 17:21:22 11/09/09 Mon
  we are that much closer now to total devastation
  
  reserve your seat on the next rocket ship outta here while you can
  

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• Permabear..........the occupied Confederacy........ -- AZAU, 17:20:56 11/09/09 Mon
  That, and the warm weather are the reasons for the military bases across the South. Of course, it beats the hell out of the dying rust belt north. South did NOT ask for all those bases there.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:20:54 11/09/09 Mon
  belated Condolences to Pyrite.
  

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• Point is...be careful out there -- RIP (), 17:14:20 11/09/09 Mon
  You know which sector generally loses its liquidity first.
  Now is hardly the time to be cocky.
  
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• funny how... -- skys39 (), 17:13:32 11/09/09 Mon
  the 22 fema camps almost equal in capacity as the number of 'teabaggers'
  
  ;;;;;;;;
  
  the rest are reserved for 64855
  
  
  
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• the boy -- LSteve, 17:14:20 11/09/09 Mon
  My son is all better except for an ocassional cough. I pumped vitamin D and green tea into him. His football team goes to the Iowa 4A football semifinals Friday night. He starts and usually plays most of the game as a defensive tackle.
  
  He had me worried for a while. Both him and my wife caught this crud. My daughter, my youngest son and me never got it. Interestingly their skin color is quite pale while my daughter, me and my youngest son have a slightly darker skin tone.
  

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• -- -- Winston, 17:08:27 11/09/09 Mon
  interesting swine flu treatment directions/daily log
  this is a link to a .doc file for Word
  http://www.netographer.com/images/mt_medic/Swine_Flu_Tx_Log.doc
  

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• You could call it lipstick on a pig -- RIP, 17:08:01 11/09/09 Mon
  ...but I won't be so cruel...until I get a sniff of the funds' target.
  

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• faloffal -- RIP, 17:05:26 11/09/09 Mon
  Do you never wake up in the morning?
  

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• DROOPY - Ode to Trotsky -- APOLLO, 17:04:50 11/09/09 Mon
  DRDGOLD to seek judicial management order for Blyvoor
  9 November 2009
  113/09-jmd
  
  Johannesburg, South Africa. 9 November 2009. DRDGOLD Limited (JSE: DRD; Nasdaq: DROOY) has announced that – in a bid to save its 74%-owned Blyvoor mine from liquidation – it intends applying to the High Court of South Africa for a judicial management order over the struggling operation.
  
  DRDGOLD CEO Niël Pretorius said today that the application, in terms of the provisions of Section 427 of the South African Companies Act, had been prompted by Blyvoor’s inability to continue to sustain losses which had now reached R27 million a month.
  
  “Restructuring at Blyvoor flowing from the recent consultation process in terms of Section 189A of the Labour Relations Act is not delivering the expected turnaround as rapidly as we had hoped, and the mine is also finding it very hard to shake off the effects of the recent four-week strike; we now need a rescue plan that holds real promise of saving Blyvoor from insolvency,” Pretorius said.
  
  “Judicial management is the only appropriate course of action for us to take in the face of the combined negative impact of circumstances beyond the control of the board of directors and management.”
  
  These circumstances, which had seen Blyvoor plummet into sustained losses from ‘a period of handsome profits’ which lasted until April this year, included:
  
  * the 16% drop in the average Rand gold price received between 1 April 2009 and 30 September 2009 due to the strengthening of the Rand against the US Dollar;
  * extensive damage caused during May 2009 to higher-grade underground production areas at No 5 Shaft by seismic activity, restoration of which is expected to take until March 2010 to complete;
  * power utility Eskom’s higher winter tariffs, compounded by a 32% price increase effective from 1 July 2009, and the likelihood of further increases in coming months; and
  * the wage strike by the National Union of Mineworkers, which resulted in the loss of 8 000 ounces of production worth R60 million.
  
  “In terms of a judicial management order, the court appoints a judicial manager who has a wide range of powers at his/her disposal to take such actions he/she deems necessary to save the business,” Pretorius said.
  
  These could, for example, include giving certain creditors temporary preference over others and agreeing compromises with creditors without the risk of committing an act of insolvency and thereby exposing the mine to liquidation.
  
  DRDGOLD envisaged Blyvoor remaining under judicial management until after access to the seismicity-damaged, higher-grade areas at No 5 Shaft had been regained, Pretorius said.
  

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• I grew up in the Seattle area - best city in the US -- APOLLO, 17:03:37 11/09/09 Mon
  wonder why I ever left. Head towards Pioneer Sq - pleny of good places to Eat 3rd ave near Pioneer Sq
  

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• - -- faloffal, 17:00:33 11/09/09 Mon
  how's your son LSteve?
  
  is he recovered?
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:59:13 11/09/09 Mon
  you missed your calling RIP
  
  magazine advertising sales!
  
  fwiw, i tell the ladies i know that 'cosmetics work'
  
  seriously!
  

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• Seattle -- LSteve, 16:54:24 11/09/09 Mon
  This week I'm in Seattle. Right now I'm at the Convention Center in downtown Seattle for the AeroTech Congress. Any restaurants anyone recommends or something that is must see.
  
  So far so good with my AU and AUY. SSRI is a bit of a dog but it should pick up. Not selling till the charts tell me to. Not listening to my emotions anymore:)
  

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• Let me ask you -- RIP, 16:53:59 11/09/09 Mon
  ...should POG hit new highs the same day Revlon does?
  
  Are you comfortable with that?
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:51:47 11/09/09 Mon
  http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COPPER&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=0&id=p59764788119
  
  copper, rounding top, macd diverging
  
  buy more!
  

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• What stock busted to new highs today? -- RIP, 16:50:23 11/09/09 Mon
  Yes, Revlon.
  
  Here's RobotTrader.
  http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mad-dash-year-end-statement-print
  

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• CEF may raise up to $1,000,000,000.00 -- RIP, 16:42:43 11/09/09 Mon
  http://fin-info.com/$main$nobody,,19329909$2d90d1d8dd92/press_release.phtml?symbol=CEF.A&_time=2009-11-09%2016:10:02
  
  Easy on the pedal, guys.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:39:17 11/09/09 Mon
  Central Bank of Egypt
  
  http://www.cbe.org.eg/
  
  newsrelease pdf Nov 5 highlights the Egyptian inflation rates.
  

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• faloffal -- siempre33, 16:36:27 11/09/09 Mon
  
  you don't want to be taken seriously?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  okay
  

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• Did tea partiers exist prior to Obama? -- RIP, 16:36:21 11/09/09 Mon
  If not....why not?
  
  Or did they need a weeping Glen Beck that bad?
  

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• Ron Paul was the originator.... -- siempre33, 16:33:08 11/09/09 Mon
  
  of the Tea Party concept....
  as usual it was diverted and convoluted
  by the neocons and other detractors,
  but originally a great idea:
  to protest higher taxes and the
  Big Brother guv concept....
  
  http://www.google.com/search?q=ron+paul+tea+party&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLR
  

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• edit -- Glyndwr (), 16:16:00 11/09/09 Mon
  Rude...
  

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• Must be why CC rates are now 30%. -- morbius, 16:28:08 11/09/09 Mon
  Because there is no inflation, of course.
  

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• SilverFox :: Philex -- siempre33 (), 16:24:03 11/09/09 Mon
  
  PXMFF has turned it around, so not the same co.
  that it was couple years ago....most people relate
  Philex with PGI, which is the wrong way to go...
  this is the parent co. which has turned quite profitable...
  check out my board at SH...
  I'll be posting more stuff there shortly...
  as soon as I recover from my resveratrol shots...LOL..
  
  http://www.stockhouse.com/Bullboards/SymbolList.aspx?s=PXMFF&t=LIST
  

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• For those who like Juniors.. -- Glyndwr, 16:24:03 11/09/09 Mon
  'Bad Day Cure' - http://www.wimp.com/cureday/ : ) bbl
  

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• Stocks Soar as G20 Says Cheap Money to Continue -- RIP, 16:21:45 11/09/09 Mon
  Must be why CC rates are now 30%.
  
  Party on, dudes.
  

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• Chrisalias & Mudturtle - my mistake -- APOLLO, 16:21:27 11/09/09 Mon
  BOD meeting is in the 2nd week of DEC for a Jan pay-out on HL+C
  

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• Chrisalias - the HL BOD meeting is this month -- APOLLO, 16:17:50 11/09/09 Mon
  my guess is they will pay-out a total catch-up mid-Jan when the Dividend announcement from Nov BOD would be due.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:15:57 11/09/09 Mon
  silver fx
  
  half the people on this board owned it or used to, and have the scars to proove it. Pop a few veins today, this is what I get for vibing. Can't argue with the Philippine Central Bank inflation numbers. They only help gold. But wrathful is the mountain, and paradise is fleeting.
  

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• Apollo -- Chrisalias -- SilverFox, 16:12:04 11/09/09 Mon
  According to a few of my charts we have just turned positive last week. This can last for a few days. Some shares seem over exteneded. But if we are entering part two than the rules will be a changing. Still watching what to do myself. AS I had stated last week went in fully invested at that time. We wait.
  

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• @ boy, did i hit a nerve -- RIP, 16:11:17 11/09/09 Mon
  Hardly.
  I've owned this junk for 8 years.
  
  Another example of a company not giving two dumps for their shareholders.
  The result is simply being ignored.
  
  And some would condemn naked shorts.....rotflamo
  God speed to them.
  

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• faloffal :: Philex -- siempre33, -- SilverFox, 16:09:18 11/09/09 Mon
  Owned this baby in the past the only thing I ever received from it was heart ache!!
  

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• thanks earl .. -- Delta-au, 16:08:49 11/09/09 Mon
  the U25's have a completely different usage of the word teabagger ..
  

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• Apollo -- Chrisalias, 16:07:46 11/09/09 Mon
  Thanks Apollo...IAG looks interesting. I'm still holding HLpC and was planning on holding thru the dividend payout(can't remember date at the moment)
  However, most trades for me are swing trades. I own 2 that you mentioned. I have Jan 2010 Calls on HL and Jan 2011 Calls on AUY.
  
  Thanks for the quick reply. I'm now looking at IAG and GG
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:06:21 11/09/09 Mon
  boy, did i hit a nerve
  
  yuo guys take me too seriously
  

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• "teabagger" increasingly used here .. -- Delta-au -- Earl, 16:05:30 11/09/09 Mon
  Protest groups .......... they take the term from the "Boston tea party" of pre-revolution days.
  

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• faloffal :: Philex -- siempre33, 16:04:58 11/09/09 Mon
  
  WRONG!
  PXMFF it has changed drastically over the past year or so....new management, new share structure....
  and only about 20 million shares available for trading
  outside the Philippines....there's real leverage there,
  which is what I ALWAYS look for in a junior miner....
  they also have fairly large institutional investors
  and growing oil interests, which you won't find in PGI..
  

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• BTW - we negated the H&S forming on the HUI today -- APOLLO, 16:03:24 11/09/09 Mon
  with a close north of 454. CDE on the other hand, still looks good for that formation.
  

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• faloffal -- RIP, 16:03:20 11/09/09 Mon
  Why would you suggest anyone buy PGI?
  They are in debt to their mother....up to their ears.
  They are also illiquid.
  
  I see a buyout coming.
  But I doubt it will be at a great price.
  
  75 cents?
  All depends who holds it.
  I have enough of the junk....lol
  

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• - -- faloffal, 16:02:45 11/09/09 Mon
  ding, ding
  
  trading over
  

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• Damned if GooRoo didn't close at the opening high. -- Earl, 16:02:38 11/09/09 Mon
  
  One of it's best days ever. Now we wait for the nooz.
  
  Surprised that it wasn't knocked down on a 100 share order at the close.
  

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• Every 20 miles or so was under construction . -- Rack, 16:02:37 11/09/09 Mon
  Stimulus-we deserve it. Such BS
  

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• - -- faloffal, 15:54:54 11/09/09 Mon
  siempre,
  i remember doing a technical analysis of MotherCompany years ago. You should sell mothercompany and buy the gold sister.
  

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• Chrisalias - I don't play the Jrs -- APOLLO, 15:54:28 11/09/09 Mon
  I would say GG/IAG/HL/AUY are the strongest. I assume you still have your HL+C - would hold that until mid-Feb & then dump as that is seasonal peak for Silver. ITs OK to hold LT too, but if you swing trade, then from here to mid-FEB is HL time. I also have the YMAGF - AUY 2/172010 warrants - YOU MUST SELL BY 2/12 or they go up in smoke. But the stock (AUY) has consistently over the past 30 days, led in volume (maggot alert) & those warrants are about to go into the money - so leverage is pretty significant given they've been trading around s buck - as oppose to paying $12.50 for the stock. You could also pick up some GGWS which GG's warrant expiring one year from this FEB - GG's going higher & there is certainly some leverage there - those warrants are out-of-the-money, but not by enough to be deterred. The stock could move up into the AEM range & that certainly takes the warrants into the money. Warrant play is tricky though & unlike the AUY warrants, the liquidity in GGWS is not great.
  

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• home of babe the blue ox -- 2bro2b -- Earl, 15:53:35 11/09/09 Mon
  I didn't see any pipelines in progress but they were busy tearing down a perfectly serviceable hill outside of Bemidji when I went thru there in early Sept.
  
  Every 20 miles or so was under construction ....... ND to Chisolm.
  

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• fedfighter -- AU_NB, 15:53:03 11/09/09 Mon
  Thanks. Bill Sardi had mentioned the same Italian study that showed effectivness against influenza.
  
  "In 2005 researchers in Rome, Italy wondered what backup treatment could be used in the event vaccines were unavailable or were ineffective against a fast mutating flu virus that had developed resistance to vaccines or anti-viral drugs like Tamiflu or Relenza.
  
  
  "Flu viruses require a host cell to replicate. The Italian researchers report that resveratrol, known as a red wine molecule, completely blocks entry of flu viruses into the cell nucleus in animals at a human equivalent dose of ~70 milligrams. [Journal Infectious Disease 2005 May 15; 191(10):1719–29] So the virus would enter the lungs, antibodies would still be generated to produce long-term immunity, but the virus could not duplicate into millions of daughter virions as it normally does. Resveratrol works on closing the cellular doorway rather than destroying the virus itself. Therefore it is a totally non-toxic approach to control of influenza viruses. Furthermore, resveratrol does not provoke viral resistance."
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi129.html
  
  Study from your source:
  
  http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/may3105resveratrol.html
  
  
  I'm taking 250 mg pills. Seemed to rejuvenate the legs and reduce the appetite.
  
  I like a little more body to my wine than most Pinot Noir.
  
  Thanks.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 15:52:49 11/09/09 Mon
  Hungary Central Bank
  http://english.mnb.hu/Engine.aspx?page=mnben_infrep_en&ContentID=0
  
  considering all the excitement in this Country in TimeWave, have a look at pdf file
  
  "Projections for inflation and growth in the August 2009 issue of the Quarterly Report on Inflation"
  
  note the RealTime bottoming of GDP, before it's expected to 'take off'
  

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• i see the term "teabagger" increasingly used here .. -- Delta-au, 15:52:30 11/09/09 Mon
  whatsa one of them do?
  

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• Military/health care spending -- WALIAC, 15:50:03 11/09/09 Mon
  
  Has everyone lost sight of the spending tactics?
  
  One side screams, "We can't afford war!" while the other screams, "We can't afford (any domestic program)!"
  
  And they 'compromise' by voting for both. Makes all kinds of sense in a cartoon world looking to spend fiat.
  

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• resveratrol -- siempre33, 15:49:46 11/09/09 Mon
  
  good idea!
  just had some with my avocado & cheese sand....
  
  http://www.voy.com/64855/1254435896.html
  

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• faloffal :: Philex -- siempre33, 15:45:54 11/09/09 Mon
  
  you should own the Mother Company.....
  
  http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=PXMFF.PK&t=2y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=PGI.V
  

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• Earl-- home of babe the blue ox -- 2bro2b, 15:44:19 11/09/09 Mon
  Late this summer, Enbridge Energy began building a crude oil pipeline from Canada, across northern Minnesota to Superior, Wis. The Bemidji area alone saw an influx of close to 800 well-paid pipeline workers. Some were hired locally, and some come from other parts of the country.
  
  And there’s another project stimulating the local economy. The city is building a $33 million facility that includes a hockey arena for Bemidji State University.
  
  http://www.ifallsdailyjournal.com/news/business-news/bemidji-tale-two-economies-tom-robertson-minnesota-public-radio-111
  
  Beat Beavers! Beat Beavers!
  

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• Pretty funny seeing JoeB quoting Vance -- RIP, 15:43:38 11/09/09 Mon
  Perhaps he should read more about his views.
  Here's one.
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance180.html
  
  Here's an archive
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance-arch.html
  

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• ... deploy that loot ... -- BWP, 15:43:01 11/09/09 Mon
  "Record Bonuses Return to Wall Street as Big Three May Award $29.7 Billion"
  
  ... yeah, payday fer the planet-savers ... me, I get squat ... well, feck 'em ... I ain't recyclin' no more ....
  

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• Apollo -- Chrisalias, 15:41:21 11/09/09 Mon
  What looks good here? I want to increase my precious metals exposure here. Placing low-ball orders a few days ago did not work out...so now I'm willing to chase I suppose.
  Probably indicates a top.
  I'll still go in for a little more. Which of the stocks do you still feel have room to run?
  
  Thanks
  

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• Resveratrol has an antiviral action against polyomavirus -- Smythe, 15:36:45 11/09/09 Mon
  CONCLUSION: Resveratrol is cytotoxic and inhibits, in a dose dependent fashion, the synthesis of polyomavirus DNA in the infected cell. Furthermore, this inhibition is observed at non cytotoxic concentrations of the drug. Our data imply that cyto-toxicity may be attributed to the membrane damage caused by the drug and that the transfer of polyomavirus from the endoplasmic reticulum to the cytoplasm may be hindered. In conclusion, the cytotoxic and antiviral properties of resveratrol make it a potential candidate for the clinical control of proliferative as well as viral pathologies.
  
  Medline published clinical trials search here :
  
  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez
  

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• you can just type in any song and they'll play it for you -- Earl, 15:34:09 11/09/09 Mon
  
  How about a site where ya can jest hum a coupla bars?
  

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• ... gold's still over $1100 and lookin' good ....... -- BWP, 15:34:01 11/09/09 Mon
  ... I think we got us a convoy ... breaker, breaker ... 10-4 good buddy ... watch fer the smokey at 722 ....
  

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• WileE -- siempre33, 15:31:25 11/09/09 Mon
  
  Oh yeah, I've known about Pandora for the last two years. It's great! Thanks for the recommendation.
  
  There's also a site called Grooveshark where you can just type in any song and they'll play it for you. Pretty spiffy. The website is
  http://www.grooveshark.com/
  

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• hey- semafo made more than -- mugwump, 15:30:36 11/09/09 Mon
  kgc and cde combined!! lol!!
  

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• US to send $100M worth of weapons to Georgia – intelligence -- doran, 15:30:25 11/09/09 Mon
  The head of the General Staff, Aleksandr Shlyakhturov, told the agency that, according to the information at their disposal, “Georgia, is still getting military assistance from NATO members, Israel and Ukraine.”
  http://www.russiatoday.com/Top_News/2009-11-09/us-arms-georgia.html
  

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• The Anti-Federalists on Standing Armies -- JoeB, 15:30:15 11/09/09 Mon
  
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance110.html
  
  snippet:
  
  It is not just the Anti-Federalists who were opposed to standing armies. James Madison, "The Father of the Constitution," voiced his concern as well:
  
  A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.
  
  Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.
  
  Thomas Jefferson not only included standing armies in the Declaration of Independence as a component of British tyranny, he likewise despairingly described them elsewhere:
  
  There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors that those governors, whether legislative or executive, should be restrained from keeping such instruments on foot but in well-defined cases. Such an instrument is a standing army.
  
  Were armies to be raised whenever a speck of war is visible in our horizon, we never should have been without them. Our resources would have been exhausted on dangers which have never happened, instead of being reserved for what is really to take place.
  
  Nor is it conceived needful or safe that a standing army should be kept up in time of peace.
  

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• semafo net up 25% -- mugwump, 15:29:20 11/09/09 Mon
  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/SEMAFO-Reports-Record-Net-cnw-249761261.html?x=0&.v=1
  

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• Well...... -- Hambone, 15:29:00 11/09/09 Mon
  Bought some NEM puts.
  

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• Nothin is more "Compulsive Redistribution" than the miltary -- RIP, 15:28:22 11/09/09 Mon
  Both in human and financial terms.
  Socialism at its finest.
  
  If this is what your country is actually based on....then you can rot.
  

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• I'm no Obama fan.....but that is pure horseshit -- RIP -- Permabear1, 15:28:00 11/09/09 Mon
  I have posted on this subject in the past. Again, it is pure economics. Military spending is a huge welfare subsidy to the Old South. Military bases are numerous as are military contract companies all across the old Confederacy. My dad was a marine during WWII and told me once, "if it wasn't for marching and soldering, half the old South would have stayed out of work after the Great Depression. Sure, the old days have changed and high tech and medical research has come to the south. However, if you factor in the bases, military spending is the federal tit that southerns have clasped onto and they suckle on it from morning to night. The right wing hypocrisy IS part of the Red State culture.
  

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• - -- faloffal, 15:27:42 11/09/09 Mon
  blocked arteries
  
  how do you leverage Oil Transportation pinch-points?
  
  ike, suez
  ____, hormuz?
  stay awake
  catch a snooze
  

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• Shorted CDE a few minutes ago to hedge today's gains -- APOLLO, 15:27:16 11/09/09 Mon
  total pig
  

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• The First twenty or so, Federalist Papers -- APOLLO, 15:23:05 11/09/09 Mon
  which framed the reasoning behind the US COnstitution, were on the subject of "Trade - International" and "Security" - identifying those two primary reasons to ratify a Union of the States into a greater cause. SO bitching about the Military makes no sense - it was the original intent of our Founders to have a strong central security aparatus, as well as a strong united front for international trade. What has crippled the US is the "Social Engineering" that men like B Obama (LBJ & Rosevelt were primary & Bush Jr was a moronic extender of such) who have diverted our resources via "Compulsive Redistribution" means - for which the constitution not only does not provide, but which destroys the Gov of the People - which was founded on the principal that the Gov cannot usurp the rights of its citizens, by perform acts a citizen cannot. A citizen has the right to trade an defend itself - he/she does not have the right to walk into one neighbors house & say "you have too much, I am taking some of yours to give to the neighbor across the street who has less" - such is thievery & such is our current GOv - it is no longer the Gov of the People, but an entity that usurps arrogantly usurps the rights it was originally granted.
  

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• US Generals Flood Israel for Exercise against ‘Specific Threats' -- doran, 15:23:04 11/09/09 Mon
  One senior IDF source told BBC magazine, “I've never seen so many American generals.”
  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23920.htm
  

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• A link? Is that what you'd like AU_NB? -- fedfighter (), 15:04:30 11/09/09 Mon
  http://www.curevents.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-16107.html
  
  BTW It seems there a question about its effectiveness in supplement form so better to drink it straight from the bottle and even then there is the question of its bioavailibility after 24 hours being exposed to air. DYODD
  
  Oh and Pinot Noir is reputedly the most potent grape for Res
  
  Enjoy
  

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• RIP -- Hambone, 15:20:49 11/09/09 Mon
  Oh, it's all George. I see.
  
  One of these days you'll give a straight answer to a straight question.
  
  Maybe.
  

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• Hambone @ He's a puppet to the green? -- RIP, 15:19:44 11/09/09 Mon
  Do you have no clue what I was saying?
  

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• C'mon Hambone -- RIP, 15:18:18 11/09/09 Mon
  Mocha Man inherited two wars and a financial disaster.
  Thanks, George.
  
  The next few weeks should be telling.
  

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• RIP -- Hambone, 15:17:48 11/09/09 Mon
  And Obama? He's a puppet to the green?
  
  Yeah, that's a real reason to admire him.
  

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• Hambone -- RIP, 15:14:41 11/09/09 Mon
  Using green words.....big money demands a big international footprint.
  
  Domestic health care isn't a footprint.
  

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• ... reportin' on my goldies .... -- BWP, 15:14:34 11/09/09 Mon
  ... outta sixteen juniors, eight are flat, six are down 3% ta 5% and two are hittin' new highs ... so there ya go ... a Voy Confidential memorandumb...
  

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• RIP -- Hambone (), 15:10:22 11/09/09 Mon
  I wonder how you do that? You're no Obama fan but blame the military spending. Geez, who's the president? And is he in charge of the military, I mean being the commander in chief and all?
  
  So his policy must be peace and removal of all troops, yet those sneaky generals, behind his back are conducting a war he doesn't want.
  
  Explain that dichotomy to me RIP.
  

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• RIP - But Boobus ain't PAYING for the war -- morbius (), 15:09:16 11/09/09 Mon
  (he thinks). He CAN understand being forced to buy insurance however (if he is uninsured). He can also understand if he HAS insurance, he will be paying more and/or getting less after the gummint mandates covering 30 million more people.
  
  Other than that observation, you are absolutely correct. The 'tea-baggers' lack of concern for the ongoing wars is disgusting. A lack of concern shared by the Obamaites, BTW. Bush war, BAD. Obama war, GOOD. USA #1 Ugh....Ugh.....Ugh...
  

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• - -- faloffal, 15:11:19 11/09/09 Mon
  http://www.bsp.gov.ph/statistics/spei_new/tab48.htm
  
  philippines stats
  note the negative numbers for inflation, starting in December 2008, and appearing in a second row in June 2009.
  
  if this trend continues a third row will go negative in November.
  

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• For everything the administration does -- RIP, 15:09:30 11/09/09 Mon
  ...they check the pulse of the financial markets first, the electorate second.
  
  Obama won't do shiet without knowing what he is getting into.
  Even if it is 50,000 more troops for Afghanistan.
  
  The markets want it.
  How bad DON'T you want it?
  

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• BUFFORD, -- Carmack (), 15:06:10 11/09/09 Mon
  Good one on Krudlow !!!lol
  
  All his blow harding about "trickle down economics" for all those years certainly worked out well !
  

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• Food Inc.....the movie, Monsato and Clarence Thomas -- BUFFORD, 15:06:24 11/09/09 Mon
  sure put a fecking on those soy been farmers.
  
  If you get a chance to watch this you'll NEVER be buying one of those industrial chickens to eat again......
  
  I'm trying to upload to file dropper but it hasn't worked the last few trys....must be too controversial
  

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• @ have raped the American citizen for all he's worth. -- BWP, 15:05:25 11/09/09 Mon
  ... it's worse than that ... at least back then ya could start over ... it's all changed now ... there's no goin' back or startin' over .... we got nowhere ta turn 'cept ta the people that got us here ... and it ain't only 'Merka ...
  

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• Soldiers claim war zone contractors exposed them to toxins -- doran, 15:04:38 11/09/09 Mon
  Nashville lawsuit one of several over 'burn pits' in Iraq and Afghanistan alleged to contain dioxin, asbestos and human corpses
  http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2009/11/8/soldiers_claim_war_zone_contractors_exposed_them_to_toxins
  

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• sold some HL "common" I bought at 1:50 -- APOLLO, 15:03:54 11/09/09 Mon
  x - hope we close near the highs - will buy back for another push in the morning if we do.
  

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• Where is Mugsie saying -- Carmack, 15:03:44 11/09/09 Mon
  Fissical at "eleven" and we're in "heaven" ????
  [Must be hosting a teabag licker party with Apolling as guest speaker! ] Har !
  

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• I'm no Obama fan.....but that is pure horseshit -- RIP, 15:03:28 11/09/09 Mon
  The money spent on the military, if deployed to health care, could easily cover it.
  Tea baggers don't complain about military spending.....why would they worry about something as essential as health care?
  
  If you wanna be frugal....fine....I respect that.
  But to be so selective...is quite disgusting.
  

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• white Republicans are ’scared of me’ @doran -- BUFFORD, 15:02:54 11/09/09 Mon
  they're scared of him around their wifs
  

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• Before this is over - -- Hambone, 14:58:18 11/09/09 Mon
  it looks like to me that between them, the Obama administration and the Federal Reserve will have raped the American citizen for all he's worth.
  

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• RNC chair Steele: Some white Republicans are ’scared of me’ -- doran, 14:57:28 11/09/09 Mon
  During a weekend interview, Michael Steele told NewsOne's Roland Martin that he has experienced fear from other selected members of his party because of the color of his skin.
  
  "I mean I've been in the room and they've been scared of me," the RNC chairman said about fellow Republicans.
  http://rawstory.com/2009/11/steele-white-republicans-fear-me/
  

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• Larry Kudlow will have trouble expalining why the market is up -- BUFFORD, 14:57:26 11/09/09 Mon
  with the healthcare bill that Congreess just voted on.
  
  He should explain to Fox News why his tongue is shit stained brown from licking all those Neocon sphincters all those years.........What a C...sucker
  

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• ... depopulate yer globe ... -- BWP, 14:56:21 11/09/09 Mon
  "WASHINGTON (AP) -- About a million Maclaren strollers sold by Target and Babies "R" Us were recalled Monday, after 12 reports of children having their fingertips amputated by a hinge mechanism."
  
  ... yeah, what a waste ... just taser the kids ...
  

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• fedfighter - Resveratrol -- AU_NB, 14:56:15 11/09/09 Mon
  Study/Trial Source ?
  
  tia
  

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• GSS/GSC is a gnat on a camel's azz. -- RIP, 14:56:06 11/09/09 Mon
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• Hambone -- siempre33, 14:56:03 11/09/09 Mon
  
  check out the chart....musta been around 8.00
  
  
  

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• Dow top today and Hambone treats everyone to restaurant meal -- MichaelH, 14:54:59 11/09/09 Mon
  Isn't that right Hambone?
  

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• @ Still think we have a very good week ahead of us. -- BWP, 14:50:25 11/09/09 Mon
  ... week? ... we got twenny years o' glory comin' our way ... nobody's gonna bitch-slap the yellah crap anytime soon, I tell ya ....
  

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• new production highs for Philex -- siempre33, 14:50:23 11/09/09 Mon
  
  October Gold = 9393 oz.,
  which accounted for 74% of production,
  most of the rest was Copper.....
  
  http://philexmining.com.ph/images/stories/Philex/documents/dc2009-7190_px.pdf
  

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• Hey Winny, know about.... -- fedfighter, 14:49:38 11/09/09 Mon
  SUPPLEMENT/MEDICATION /COMPOUND NAME: Resveratrol
  
  USE: Anti-viral effect versus influenza-A.
  
  “We have shown that RV [resveratrol], a natural polyphenol whose concentration in red wine is 1.5–3.0 mg/L, can inhibit the in vitro and in vivo replication of influenza A virus without producing any significant toxicity.” The level of virus found in the lungs 6 days after infection was 98% lower in treated mice than in the placebo group” SOURCE
  

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• "Consumer Healthcare Option".............must be good, markets up -- BUFFORD, 14:49:34 11/09/09 Mon
  Gold up .............the Senate will pass this late some nite just before they go on their junkets for the Xmas holidays.
  
  Many say this will backfire on the Democrats, I say it will backfire on the Republicans and then you'll see the lopsided huge majority of the Democrat Senate and Congress pass a shitstorm of their legislation in O'Quincy's second term.
  
  Repuyblicans will then be using the "N" word likes its French word..............
  
  
  I say...........there's atleast a 60% margin on any heatthcare line item on any bill so let the competion begin just like they do at Walmart. The single payer system is on its way whether U bugz like it or not
  

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• Is GSS earnings announcement weighing down the group? -- Kitcotodd, 14:48:47 11/09/09 Mon
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• We're coming back a bit now - need to close near the highs -- APOLLO, 14:46:33 11/09/09 Mon
  or I'll short CDE for a hedge on tomorrow's action. Still think we have a very good week ahead of us.
  

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• Well.... -- Hambone, 14:43:12 11/09/09 Mon
  So far, selling my RBY into this morning's rally worked out.
  
  I'm content.
  

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• ZeroHedge on Exter's loopy pyramid - Earl -- Smythe, 14:41:55 11/09/09 Mon
  maybe that got that wacky theory right here ? Poor saps. LOL !
  

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• IOWs....I don't care if anyone naked shorts any company I own -- RIP, 14:41:29 11/09/09 Mon
  It will only hurry what would have happened anyways.
  
  Management should stop treating shareholders like tax cows.
  

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• siempre33 -- Hambone, 14:40:42 11/09/09 Mon
  What did I miss? You mean right now, or earlier?
  

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• - -- faloffal, 14:40:28 11/09/09 Mon
  my ideas appear be too abstract for trading hours
  siempre
  
  it may be a consequence of my modeling work at the moment.
  
  is Philex (pgi.v) a good candidate for 'strange loops'?
  

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• new high -- siempre33, 14:37:08 11/09/09 Mon
  
  Gold @ 1111.11
  

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