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APMEX is having a sale on numismatics now.. -- Nuclearson, 02:41:41 11/23/09 Mon
prices even lower...
that is why I have concentrated on straight bullion..
I think Tamryn is right, when it comes time to use bullion for trading they will not give you twice as much food for a prettier coin
To call Reagan a Hollywood actor, while technically accurate, is actually -- mozel, 02:37:54 11/23/09 Mon
an insult to the real actors in film. Reagan could speak the lines of a movie role but he couldn't act. That was part of his secret for winning over a great number of the ordinary American people. His very lack of artifice made him believable, even when he favorably mentioned gold and freedom and divine blessings. It's easy to see why the gasbag atheist America bashers hate his memory.
Reagan surely busted the budget. On the other hand, though, did Congress enact the Grace Commission recommendations to cut wasteful spending ? No, I think not.
"still some inflammation in the esaphagus" Raja -- Nuclearson, 02:26:57 11/23/09 Mon
do you drink fluoridated water or use fluoride toothpaste? That is usually a cause for that condition..
John Perkins new book Hoodwinked -- siempre33, 01:23:39 11/23/09 Mon
The trip to Iceland was amazing. In 2007 the World Bank classified it as the 3rd wealthiest country on the
planet (per capita). Today it is considered the first developed country to go bankrupt, primarily because it
got “hit” by economic hit men.
Winifred and I were there last week for the premiere of an amazingly beautiful, and sobering, story
of how EHMs destroyed the economy — and many of the natural resources — in this spectacular country.
We were the guests of the producer — a successful and dedicated Icelandic businessman — and also there to speak
to the media and at an overflow crowd at the University of Iceland. The by-invitation-only premiere was held in a
1000 seat movie theatre and was completely packed. We sat next to the president and his wife. The film crew received
a 10-minute standing ovation at the end.
The movie is extremely well-done, has magical scenes of the country and a Dolby
sound-track. Not available to the general public yet, as it will be making the film festival circuit.
Mikikis -- Raja, 00:50:58 11/23/09 Mon
Never heard of L-Tyrosine. How much would I need to take with 500mg of L-Tryptophan? Why not give up L-Tryptophan altogether? I think I get all the aminoacids from meats and eggs, right?
What is the name of the other alternative you mentioned? I would like to google it and find a seller.
IDT -- Raja, 00:46:26 11/23/09 Mon
I will give it a try. I will take Omeprazole every other day for a couple of weeks and if there are no problems, I will get rid of it as well. Thanks for the suggestion. I have been afraid of the return of ulcer. I have had stomach pains since around 1976 or so only to find, decades later, that I had H. Pylori (my brother called me on that one as soon as he found out what he and I had and the newly recommended treatment). I have been free of this bug ever since.
I went on Omeprazole about 18 months ago when I developed difficulty in swallowing even water, and discovered that I had an ulcer in the esaphagus. Last time I was tested, about 6 months ago, I had no ulcer but still some inflammation in the esaphagus.
Thanks for the suggestion.
A feckin' Hollyw00d Actor -- Gila_Bob, 00:44:39 11/23/09 Mon
Friends:
That "imagined" his WWII Service
Nearly TRIPLED the Deficit in 8 Short Years
Traded Weapons with the "moderate" mullahs of Iran
Fired Volcker & hired Green-splatt...........
And muzzle's her0
Sorta Fits.............He wuzz WHITE though.........LOL
Big Bob
(It's nice when one of the Card-bored Hater$
Cum$ outta the Kloset
To0 supp0rt sum one who actually Contradict$
Allah the shit they spew every day hear about what they "allegedly" Believe
That's why they'll line-the-$treet$
Wavin' their Little Flaggie$
When Fascism Cums to t0wn
Raja -- Mikikis (), 00:35:45 11/23/09 Mon
5HTP is one step better than L-Ttyptophan. More efficient. Just be careful not to focus too much on seratonin and forget the dopamine....most anti-depressants focus almost entirely on seratonin and end up causing dopamine issues. There are important interdependencies there that are ignored. It would be a good idea to supplement a bit of L-Tyrosine to counterbalance the Tryptophan.....even better would be for you to just get an Amino liquid or pill that has them all in there...more balanced.
You may also find kava kava better for sleeping....do your research...the liver damage danger is mostly BS.
Sorry about the withdrawal comment, reading it again I realize that I misread that part of your post.
Congrats on getting off the meds...your body probably appreciates the change very much....
Take care.
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Raja -- IDT, 00:37:40 11/23/09 Mon
Take a look at Priosec's side effects. It causes joint pain. I took the stuff for 4 months this year after having developed gastritis in the esophagus and small intestine. After a couple of months on the stuff I felt like I had aged 20 years. All my joints ached all the time. In month 4, I cut back and took my daily pill every other day. I felt better but figured the crap wasn't doing me any good. So, I quit altogether. All the joint pain went away in about a week. Instead of the Priosec I take some magnesium and deglyserized licorice (DGL). I'm healing up. Being away from the friggin job helps as well.
lonestar and others -- Raja, 00:33:30 11/23/09 Mon
I hope my optimism about getting rid of depression is well founded. If it returns, I have the medication bottles. I will keep them for a few months just to make sure.
I see The America Hate Mongers have ridden American invented personal puters in on the American -- mozel (), 00:31:11 11/23/09 Mon
digital highway to spew and drivel their Inner Jew's America Hate in Mex Speak, Gas Baggery, and Commonwealth Commie Cluster Flutter.
Reagan had his faults and they were not small nor few but he was ten times what any other country hath brought forth lately for a leader, with a handful of exceptions.
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mikikis -- Raja, 00:30:24 11/23/09 Mon
I am not sure I understand what you are saying. I do use one 500mg L-Tryptophan supplement as a sleeping aid for a few months now. I have NO withdrawal symptoms. I would have had the symptoms after I had given up a third of the dosage of Serzone I was taking (I tried to get off of it several times over the years). Being a researcher at heart, I have been observing my own feelings and behavior. I have never felt better. It has to be due to D3. I have been taking a multi-vitamin/Mineral pill and a vitamin B complex pill for as long as I can remember. Only D3 was a new addition a year ago.
Palin invited to dine with evangelist Graham -- doran, 00:29:37 11/23/09 Mon
The Charlotte-born evangelist had never met Palin, who is now on a national book tour promoting her new memoir, "Going Rogue: An American Life." But Graham's oldest daughter, Gigi, told McClatchy Newspapers last year that he commented to her that Palin, whom he watched on TV during the election campaign, was "mighty pretty." http://dailyme.com/story/2009112200006855/palin-invited-dine-evangelist-graham.html
Delta-au -- Raja, 00:24:07 11/23/09 Mon
No ailment I have was listed as side effect. Now, I am only on a blood pressure prescription medication. All others are supplements.
The Vet .. -- Delta-au, 00:23:37 11/23/09 Mon
thanks for that CRU(DD) linkage .. my Fed MP is a skeptic on the opposition benches, so I'll be shooting some more stuff
to him about all this crap ..
..
Raja -- Mikikis, 00:22:21 11/23/09 Mon
Go look up amino acids, magnesium and the entire Vitamin B complex and their effects on depression and other mental issues....there is much more to it than just Vitamin D.
Specifically look up how 5HTP fares against SSRIs (and L-Glutamate as a precursor for GABA)....and how dopamine needs to be balanced with seratonin and how L-Tyrosine plays a role in that. Too much dopamine stimulation will deplete seratonin levels...and vice versa.
You should probably supplement a bit as you wean off the anti-depressant so as not to have withdrawal symptoms as well...JMHO.
Delta-au -- Raja, 00:22:20 11/23/09 Mon
It "was" Serzone. It was banned in Germany a couple of years ago because of noticeable number of people developed liver damage but I had no choice. No alcohol is allowed while on this medication, not that I was ever fond of alcoholic drinks anyway. No other anti-depressant worked for me and these others had unbearable side effects.
AGW - this should kill the so called models... -- The_Vet, 00:17:57 11/23/09 Mon
Not only are there the damning emails, but there are programmers READ_ME files in the downloaded data as well..
Some have just started to pick it apart and guess what.. the whole thing is full of manipulation and falsification to make the models fit the theory not the data!
Love the ironic title. Got this from reader, Glenn. I’m out of my depth trying to read the code–and apparently so were several folks at CRU. If what he, and the techies at the links, say is true, it’s no wonder they had to spin this for 10 years–it’s all absolute bullshit.
Here’s Glenn’s take with links:
The hacked e-mails were damning, but the problems they had handling their own data at CRU are a dagger to the heart of the global warming “theory.” There is a large file of comments by a programmer at CRU called HARRY_READ_ME documenting that their data processing and modeling functions were completely out of control.
They fudged so much that NOTHING that came out of CRU can have ANY believability. If the word can be gotten out on this and understood it is the end of the global warming myth. This much bigger than the e-mails. For techie takes on this see:
PLA.AX .. going for a Monday sprint .. -- Delta-au, -- The_Vet, 00:13:02 11/23/09 Mon
I saw it just sitting there a couple of hours ago, and couldn't resist buying a few more.. It took off minutes later... Gota win once in a while....
lonestar -- Raja, 00:07:08 11/23/09 Mon
I don't have either Rheumatoid or Osteo arthritis, per my physician. He does not know what kind it is! I have no swelling at all and no nodules on hands, etc., even after 20 years or so of arthritis. At present, my pains are under good control using glocosamine/Chondrotin, MSM and Serrapeptase. I am afraid I have graduated to 120,000 IU each twice a day of serrapeptase to accomplish this. The only problem is that I can't go for a walk for more than about 200 yards or so when the joints begin to hurt. So, I am homebound mostly although I do drive and go grocery shopping for a few items without any trouble.
I am on Prilosec because of stomach pains and esophageal ulcer (which is now cured). Anything acidic and my joint pains become unbearable. I can't take even trace of any dairy product or nightshade family of vegetables. Only a few days ago, I took a very thin slice of red onion on a hamburger and the next day the pains went through the roof! They are now under control. SOOOO....vinegar is out. I also can't stand its taste.
Thanks for sharing information. That' how we all learn from each other.
I do have something to share with everyone: I have been on an anti-depressent since about 1988 until now. Since I have been taking 8000 IU of Vitamin D3/day for about a year now, based upon b-w' post, I felt I might not need this medication. I eased off 1/6th each week with no feeling of depression. As of today, I am not taking any and I never felt better in that department.
So, in my case, the depression was caused by vitamin D deficiency. I am hoping that, in about a year, my arthritis may go away as well. One can hope....
MoreGold - silver -- Mikikis (), 23:54:57 11/22/09 Sun
Let it soar.....I've got plenty.....sell high, then sell more higher...then sell even more higher....my silver is for my son....so there is no rush really to sell unless it goes up in a parabolic way....
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fedfighter - Greenspan -- Mikikis (), 23:47:05 11/22/09 Sun
So was his hand forced then (Greenspan's to start the bubbles)? Seems improbable...do you have a link to that story/article?
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@ I would like to see silver hit $20 this week -- Mikikis -- MoreGold, 23:52:59 11/22/09 Sun
You and everyone else is waiting "For A Correction".
I've been buying small amounts along the way, ready to buy more on a pullback.
It may just do what most everyone doesn't expect, soar.
@ Completely One-Sided Article On SILVER In USA TODAY !!! -- MoreGold, 23:48:30 11/22/09 Sun
And Bullish ???
Silver price soars on heavy demand, high hopes for gains
By John Waggoner, USA TODAY
Gold has been getting all the press, but silver is on a streak, too.
Silver has soared to $18.45 an ounce from $10.79 at the start of 2009, a 71% gain. In contrast, gold has gained 32%, closing at a record high of $1,141 Thursday.
But silver is nowhere near a record. When gold hit its 2008 high of $1,011.25 an ounce in April of that year, for example, silver continued to rally to $19.30. And it is nowhere near the record high of $49.50 an ounce it hit in 1980, when Nelson and William Hunt unsuccessfully tried to corner the market.
Pushing silver higher now:
•Gold. Gold and silver often move roughly in tandem, prompted by fears of inflation and the lower value of the U.S. dollar on the currency markets.
•Heavy demand. At $18.45 an ounce, silver is far more affordable than gold. Sales of Silver Eagles from the U.S. Mint have soared to 25 million 1-ounce coins so far in 2009 from 19.6 million for all of 2008. Demand has been so high that the U.S. Mint is making only 1-ounce silver coins and no proof sets – high-quality collector issues.
Another source of demand: silver exchange traded funds, which invest directly in silver bullion. The iShares Silver Trust (ticker: SLV) has $5.4 billion in assets and is growing in popularity as the white metal soars. Several foreign silver funds are also big bullion buyers.
•Big hopes. People expect silver to play catch-up, says Jeff Nichols, senior economic adviser for Rosland Capital. It usually takes about 16 ounces of silver to buy 1 ounce of gold. Now it takes about 62 ounces of silver to buy an ounce of gold. "We expect the gold-silver ratio to move toward its historical mean as silver outperforms gold in percentage terms over the next few years," Nichols says.
Unlike gold, which is used mainly for investment purposes, about 50% of all silver goes for industrial uses, according to The Silver Institute, a trade group. Although silver is still used in film photography, it's mainly used in electronics now, says Philip Klapwijk, CEO of GFMS, a precious metals consulting firm.
Because of the worldwide economic downturn, industrial use of silver has fallen.
Yet demand for silver could pick up.
"Longer term, much of the growth in industrial demand will come from silver-zinc batteries that will be replacing lithium-ion batteries in electric cars," Nichols say
I would like to see silver hit $20 this week -- Mikikis, 23:45:50 11/22/09 Sun
I'll sell a bit at that price.....hold for a correction lower to fill back up....or not.....$20 would be a nice price for whatever I do sell....
@ Mikikis -- fedfighter, 23:43:47 11/22/09 Sun
Re; the Raygun/Greenspan thing, Bix Wier, a GATA guy, has got the weirdest take on that, you should read his Road Tp Rutta, some time, Long story short, Wier claims Greenspan is one of the good guys which of course sounds impossible but Wier really makes it sounds feasible,
morbius -- Mikikis (), 23:43:09 11/22/09 Sun
You seem to have had almost identical conversations with both crazytimes and mozel on different days apparently expecting something or other each time....what exactly did you expect on either occasion?
(nice touch with the popcorn pic)
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Interesting chart taken from kitco (Quad G) -- Mikikis, 23:41:10 11/22/09 Sun
Mikikis - Which particular wind did you have in mind? -- morbius (), 23:37:14 11/22/09 Sun
Ever sail in the Trades? Awesome.
Just passing the time..
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morbius -- Mikikis, 23:35:33 11/22/09 Sun
You sure do like pissing in the wind....getting real good at it apparently......maybe next time you'll have a different outcome?.....you should definitely try again, makes for some mild entertainment.....
@ Rev Up The Printing Presses ... Phase II Of -- MoreGold (), 23:31:33 11/22/09 Sun
The USA Econ Meltdown is probably near.
The stink is in the air.
The Bammah made sure the SACKS men are CASH Loaded going in, so shits gonna fly and many new Billionaires from NYC will be born...
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Sid the Science Kid - PBS show -- mercury, 23:33:40 11/22/09 Sun
entire episode the other day all about why vaccines are good and why children should make sure they get one (or more)!
@ AZAU -- fedfighter (), 23:21:21 11/22/09 Sun
Your posts are one reason for coming to this site but that was a very cheap shot about Greece. You know anything about Amertka's role in the coup that installed the fascists there?
If you don't educate yoursef.
Support Project Camelot - make a donation: -- morbius, 23:07:00 11/22/09 Sun
Why bother? They are in TOTAL CONTROL. We are SCREWED. Spread 'em and enjoy it.
Project Camelot -- kapex, 23:03:40 11/22/09 Sun
23 August 2009
We have been again contacted by the insider source we have called Hawkeye. We reported his messages in some detail last year (2008), when he - like many others - was warning against serious problems he understood were set to occur last October.
These problems did not manifest - apart from the global financial crisis. We wrote to him again in March 2009, having not heard from him for six months. He replied immediately, but his messages were obscure and in the absence of hard details we did not publish them.
In his latest message, received today, Hawkeye warns of events set to occur in October 2009 - January 2010, and again earnestly advises us to find our 'refuge'. We felt we should share with you the information we have. Some of what he refers to is clearly stated, but other parts of his message are more opaque.
We have received nearly 100 messages from Hawkeye since he first contacted us in October 2007. He is educated, dignified, well-informed, courteous, not as young or strong as he was, and at least at some stages in the past has been well-connected on the 'inside'. He refers to the controlling elite as the 'Roths' [Rothschilds] and states that they are 'Z' [Zionists]. He dislikes and distrusts 'O' [Obama] and refers to him as "the shineboy". The way he writes suggests to us very strongly that he is authentic.
The messages below are presented like an e-mail history, with the most recent at the top. For the whole message exchange, read from the bottom up, from where it all slowly gathers momentum.
A final note: unlike our sources Henry Deacon, Jake Simpson and Elizabeth Nelson (all of whom we've spent considerable time with, have gotten to know personally, and whose real ID and bona fides we have fully verified), we have not met Hawkeye, and have no proof of identity.
_____________________________
From: [Hawkeye]
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009, 04:22
To: Kerry and Bill at Camelot
Subject: Re: My Dear Bravehearts....Re: 2009: the aftermath
Well, a defining question, for sure?
Sometimes I have heard that the mouse is hardest to find when in the shadow of the housekeepers broom...eh?
Follow the Bush south?
From: Kerry and Bill at Camelot
To: [Hawkeye]
Sent: Sun, 23 Aug 2009, 01:51
Subject: Re: My Dear Bravehearts....Re: 2009: the aftermath
Thanks very much... where do you recommend we go?
Kerry
From: [Hawkeye]
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009, 19:20
To: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Subject: My Dear Bravehearts....Re: 2009: the aftermath
Hello Bravehearts,
Seems you are very busy these days.
I have observed from a distance, and reviewed some articles, and the YouTube productions.
Unfortunately, I am under terrific fire these days myself, and can say little at this time.
However, I will risk saying this, as I worry about your work when I hear certain stories,
Bravehearts, do not be deceived by those who claim the Roths have lost control of anything.
All the gibberish of such talking heads have no clue to what they are really dealing with, sad to say.
If one has not been in the circle, they have no reliable information, just hearsay.
As of now, all the plans are in place, in progress, and there are now no mistakes, no bad decisions.
The Program is perfected, and running quite smooth, unfortunately.
We may wish that were not the case, but my friends, they do own and run this world, period.
It is like a game to them, and they thrive on the chaos. For Instance: The Swine Flu is merely a test to see how far the masses have come in being obedient. More severe tests are in the making as I speak. Although it is now extremely difficult to find a safe place, as there are technologies now existing that can find you/your DNA at any time on the planet. Specialized shielding helps, but one cannot stay in a hole for ever so to speak.
Nice to talk with you again. I will return as I can, as those Bastards in [-------] have made life difficult for me the last few months....but my "protection" is still in place, albeit getting very thin.
As soon as Edmd. Roths past influence is diminished, all previous working "agreements" (they really have none, as I am just a past item not yet gotten to yet...it is not worth much time to spend on pawns you see) completed, I will be dust in the wind.... perhaps before Christmas, one never knows with these loonies.
Kindest regards,
[Hawkeye]
PS: As you recall, I have invited you to observe this fall carefully, much military activity everywhere, even Afg. where (22 K) many of my friends are working the yellow brick poppy road....watch out for the cross-hair situations here at home that may leave you with few outs, however...in the next few months. that is all I can risk saying about that right now. Just move with one eye to the front, and one to the rear.
From: [Hawkeye]
To: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Sent: Weds, 20 May 2009, 08:49
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Just in from being approached by Roth's goons warning me again...they are getting testy with me, so, what is next I know not yet.
They found my hideout using advanced GPS/scanning, had some stuff on me I forgot to leave somewhere else. Have to move, a most difficult thing for me now.
Bravehearts... suggest you watch this progress....from a safe distance please... Sinclair/Obama/Military
Just advancing the continuum data.... October/Economic and Military activities
This is connected to the scenario I wrote about last time:
Certain Military is not oblivious to Obama's insertion into the White House.... by the Roth's Z goons
Wish he had not put this on his site, just serves to create more problems for October-January.
Watch this evolve into a late fall affair. Rougher times ahead, get situated now.
BTW, they are going to make Leo Z sound like an idiot...poor guy got zapped out.
regards,
[------]
From: [Hawkeye]
To: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Sent: Fri, 27 March 2009, 08:55
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Will speak little about it, as military remnants are trying to attempt another formation, soon, this year, Oct-Dec time frame, and what I say could possibly jeopardize some periphery aspects. This one will fail, but one must admire the courage of a few good men. Eh? Why fail?, not broad based enough in my opinion.
A "Machine" must have many aspects, military, economic, social sentiment, plenty of greased wheels, and a general "will" to do or die. Do Or Die!...bottom line.
We have a society now by design made up of many "employed" persons who must jump to some "boss's" demands, whether it be civil or military.
The threat of unemployment, and loss of benefits, retirement pay, etc. has become a serious factor in people's lives. A successful "machine" must take into consideration these aspects, and have in place an alternative plan to overcome all obstacles. From my perspective, no such "machine" exists, sad to say. The "tea parties" you read about are curious, and infiltrated, and they're successes will be meager unfortunately. There are no surprises on the horizon, just various attempts involving isolated scenarios. Many good people will be hurt, imprisoned and worse.
Even fairly informed and good willed people just have no clue as to the power of this Roth Machine. Their tentacles reach every aspect of life as we know it, and grows exponentially by the day. That is why I encourage everyone to get out of the city, and find a well hidden safe place. The masses will not be a freedom loving person's friend.
Until the Fed Res is dismantled, and lobbyist disenfranchised, and congress cleaned up, there will be not even a chance for any major changes. Tell me some good news, all YouTube bobbing heads! Just make me wrong in my analysis.
Like we use to say in [-------], guns make for a peaceful bunch of neighbors. Mutual respect is key out there.
Violate a man's rights, and there is hell to pay. Everyone knows where they stand. Ain't no slip-sliders. eh!
Horse thieves are hung at dawn, and that was the fair warning to the next wanna be thief.
Few of us left, sad to say.
Sometime when you get around to [-------], perhaps we can sit down and visit, if we still be around.
I am leaving again soon, and will not be back very often, so emails may not get much attention, and telephones will be out of the question, less tracking devices, the better...so saddle up, L & L.
Your friend,
[------]
From: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
To: [Hawkeye]
Sent: Fri, 27 March 2009 07:36
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Very many thanks, [------]
And we enjoyed the YouTube video! (downloaded for posterity...)
May we ask: you wrote
There is no machine in place that can articulate a serious challenge, that would not be taken out first, as that is what happened to another machine last fall.
What was the ‘other machine’?
With very best wishes, Bill
From: [Hawkeye]
Date: Thu, 26 March 2009 09:17
To: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Hello Bill,
Well, some things I know more about than others, as I am now away from the main loop, and now I only occasionally talk to some of the pawns downline.
What I have talked about has been in the mill for a long time, personally I know some things have been planned since 1979. O was just one among several possibilities, and his flagrant ego got him the precarious position. If you will, the "shineboy" as some insiders call him, made it bigtime, he has a gift of gab, and can massage the minorities , but he is on a tight wire, and a short leash, with a 100% prescription agenda. Roths like bullshitters...to a point, then they are gone.
Last year, there were many operations going on, some of which received no press, and appears nothing major happened, but it did, and has not come to light, if it ever will, some good men are now gone, and resulted in changes in attitude
among the high ranking military. Coup is not a good word, rather I would say more very silent covert proceedings still in the making, military in nature.
Right now, I do not know how to stop the Roths, and those around them. There is no machine in place that can articulate a serious challenge, that would not be taken out first, as that is what happened to another machine last fall.
Certain high level military people are really pissed off, and it is all they can do to keep from doing something...and the Roths have them by the balls. I know of what I speak, as their grip cost me dearly.
I watch the news, and hear the stories...a lot of pissers just making noise. If one has not worked for the association, they have no clue. The place is going down, and the Roths are hell bent to be the supreme rulers of this planet...make no mistake about it. They will do whatever it takes. The yakking on the tube is all programming for the masses who also have no clue.
For me, yes I would like to see change, would even help in the right situation, but I would be taken out before we ever got to first base, I just know too much, and I am left alone because I am quiet, and I love my family...VAV, the rock and hard place game. I am doomed either way. Bastards.
Regards,
[------]
From: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
To: [Hawkeye]
Sent: Thurs, 26 March 2009 07:29
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Hi, [------]:
It’s a great pleasure to hear from you again. We hope that you are yours are physically, emotionally and spiritually fine and well.
Everything is in place, and what you see is well planned and orchestrated... no mistakes, no failures.
Imagine this, if you know what an Economic Hitman is, Imagine O and a dozen or so other well placed performers in key positions around the globe.
Fully understood, and this is exactly what it feels like.
May we ask, in clarification:
* Last year (August => end October) you gave the strong, informed impression that some pretty bad things were slated to go down around about the time of the election... not JUST the vast economic mudslide. We were expecting all kinds of dire events (not just warned by yourself, but by many others as well). It SEEMS as if things have changed a little from the best-informed predictions and good information that many were privy to. Have we read that properly?
* Was it always planned that Obama would be President? Or was there a power struggle which Obama won? (Our info is that Hillary was expected to win, but there was a kind of coup. We also know a credible person who met Obama when in his twenties, and who swears that he KNEW then that he would be President. That’s about 25 years ago.)
* Is Lindsey Williams essentially correct? (Refresher: we wrote this summary: )
In brief, Lindsey reported in June 2008, when oil was then at more than $140/barrel, that he had been informed - by a very senior insider source - that the price would be engineered to fall to less than $50/barrel by the November election. At the time this seemed almost impossible to believe... but that was exactly what happened.
The plan, Lindsey stated he had been told, was to bankrupt the Middle Eastern oil producing nations, who would be faced with a catastrophic decline in revenue. They would then be forced to dump their dollar reserves.. which would in turn have a devastating knock-on result on the American and then the global economy. This final phase, says Lindsey, is in progress, is unstoppable, but has not yet occurred.
Lindsey specifically states that one important recent interview (done not with us, but with The Byte Show) is not copyrighted, and we consider this update from Lindsey to be the most detailed and informative interview he has yet done. For anyone following George Green's and Bill Deagle's economic warnings, and who would appreciate more detailed information, we recommend Lindsey Williams' update as essential listening.
* What do you feel/think/know may happen - and when? - with domestic military control in the US?
* What implications for the economies / infrastructure / societies of other regions (Europe? Australia? Asia?)
* What will happen to the prices of (a) paper and (b) physical gold and silver?
* What other events may happen, and when? (Stealth virus outbreak? War?)
With our very best wishes,
Bill and Kerry
From: [Hawkeye]
Date: Tues, 24 March 2009 18:30
To: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
Subject: Re: 2009: the aftermath
Hello Bravehearts,
Nice to hear from you.
I am OK, waiting for the turn, as I am ready.
Everything is in place, and what you see is well planned and orchestrated...no mistakes, no failures.
Imagine this, if you know what an Economic Hitman is, Imagine O and a dozen or so other well placed Performers in key positions around the globe.
Imagine that they have been programmed to do exactly as they are doing, some now for 40 years or more, and then imagine this big monopoly game going on, and they are the players/not the real owners of the properties, and we of course are NOT Players, Performers, or hardly to be considered ignorant observers....we are the fatted calves, awaiting the slaughter for the delight and entertainment of the OWNERS...our alleged OWNERS.
The "Bankers" already own all the properties on the board, and so now they are consolidating them into one big property called EARTH. The earth is now theirs, and they are now in progress of the final management act....Complete, and Absolute Control....The Ultimate level of Control, and corruption.
A word of caution please...Watch out for those who claim to be alleged defenders of our Rights and Freedoms...
Most are literally allowed to Perform their role of creating more chaos. Chaos is one of the management tools of The Roths.
Things are going to get even nastier for the next year or two.
Make sure your safe place is in readiness.
Kindest Regards,
[------]
From: Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
To: [Hawkeye]
Sent: Sun, 22 March 2009 08:55
Subject: 2009: the aftermath
Dear [------]:
We’ve not heard from you since the end of October, and wonder if (a) you are online and (b) all is OK in your world.
The slow financial avalanche still gains momentum. We hope you have not been too badly affected by these events.
But - unless we are missing loud signals! - nothing else catastrophic APPEARS to be happening. There seems to be evidence that we are on a different timeline: many well-informed people - you were not the only one! - had fully expected a host of very serious incidents to impact us from last October on.
What did we miss? This is an honest question.
We do not trust Obama, and there are many alarming signs to watch - well-described in Alex Jones’ excellent The Obama Deception:
A New Alliance -- mercury, 22:50:07 11/22/09 Sun
This has taken decades, but for the first time ever
Many of the environmental organizations have joined together with the true land managers, ranchers and farmers, against the tyranny of the state regulators.
A great example is Defenders of Wildlife. Their anti-agriculture stance has turned around 180 degrees. Just one example.
This is a recent development, you have not read about it anywhere else.
Raja- I too have arthritis -- lonestar (), 22:43:13 11/22/09 Sun
It got progressively worse to the point that I just gave up on finding any relief. On day a friend recommended that I begin taking Bragg raw, unfiltered, organic vinegar. I figured what the hell, I'll try it. Well after a few weeks I really started feeling a little bit better. As the months went by i felt much better. I have been using it for about 20 years now, and have very little pain. I know that it sounds crazy, and that vinegar is not a medicine, but I think that it has reduced swelling in me. I take a teaspoon or two every day mixed in a glass of water. Fortunately, I like the taste of vinegar. Actually, I crave it and have all of my life. Anyway, like any homecure what works for one may not work for another
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America IS Alive -- mercury, 22:42:41 11/22/09 Sun
There are wonderful movement afoot all over the place.
This group started replacing asphalt with trees on Los Angeles area playgrounds. They are gaining traction. The president is an electrifying speaker.
... hostile sheeple ... -- BWP, 21:31:24 11/22/09 Sun
"Fed under fire as public anger mounts"
... yeah, like they're shakin' in their boots ... frankly, they're laffin' at us ... they don't give a shit what we rant about 'cause they'll send in a S.W.A.T. team the second ya flash some iron ...
@ Will there be mustard? -- BWP, 21:19:51 11/22/09 Sun
... there's always mustard ... I seen caravans haulin' mustard in the Sahara ... it's what ya use when ya run outta ear wax ....
@ even if it took a few years to get there -- BWP, 21:15:07 11/22/09 Sun
... impatient, are we? ... next target is $1867.43 ... and it'll come swiftly like a baby seal to a club .... scribe that inna Book Of Mysto ... smo-o-o-o-o-kin' .....
too bad civilization as we know it is toast ..BWP -- Pyrite, 21:13:49 11/22/09 Sun
Just so long as I can have a fresh rat for dinner while I watch the banksters twist, I'll be happy.
And maybe some mustard.
Will there be mustard?
no surprise -- Miniminer, 21:12:38 11/22/09 Sun
The politicos are fiddlin with healthcare while rome is on fire....better buy up a bunch of chinese shit before the prices triple overnight
walmart has a microwave for $18 on friday and a 3g laptop for $198
these prices are fantasy stuff. I bought a microwave in early 1980's for $800,or one ounce of gold by mudturtles scale. thats fecked up I tell ya and even BWP may almost agree
Hey Brian, what's Mysto's next target number? -- The_Vet, 21:11:44 11/22/09 Sun
His first target was spot on even if it took a few years to get there, but then we are a patient lot.....
... gold's is gonna go so high that yer testicles will 'splode .... -- BWP, 21:11:43 11/22/09 Sun
.... todamoon, baby ... it's all good .... too bad civilization as we know it is toast ...
@ They could have chosen to be American but they chose to be Jewish. -- BWP, 21:01:07 11/22/09 Sun
... at some point, yer gonna have ta come ta grips with the fact that yer country got fucked over by AMERICANS .... AMERICANS of all cultures 'n religions ... the only thing common ta all of 'em were their greed and corruption ... there ain't no external boogyman ... deal with it ... ya got fucked over by yer own ....
mozel ! -- LilDevil, 20:59:53 11/22/09 Sun
".........morbius, 19:58:57 11/22/09 Sun
How about answering the question. After you have exposed the Jews as the focus of evil in the world, what next?........"
the works of darkness and the works of the light are mutually exclusive ... -- mozel (), 20:55:05 11/22/09 Sun
"Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men." (the vision of Isaiah)
Whoso hateth in secret this:
"You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."—Jesus, from the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:14-16.
America is a land of purpose:
"For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill, the eyes of all people are upon us; so that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall shame the faces of many of God's worthy servants, and cause their prayers to be turned into curses . . ."—John Winthrop, aboard the Arbella, 1630
"As Ronald Reagan emphasized, America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere."
And, "As Ronald Reagan said in his farewell address to the nation, 'I've spoken of the Shining City all my political life. …In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still.'"
But, how can there be harmony and peace in a city in which dwell them, "The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace" ???
They have brought about the foreign policy and the monetary policy and the political schemes which hath shamed the faces of them who promised to make on this continent a city of light ...
They have, for the sake of their interests, dimmed the beacon light which guided freedom loving people everywhere.
They could have chosen to be American but they chose to be Jewish. Let them be as they have chosen and go where they belong.
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... DA 'SPLOSION CONTINUES !!! -- BWP, 20:55:00 11/22/09 Sun
... look at that yellah crap take off! ... MYSTO TOLE YA! ... yeah, he did ... and no, there ain't no major correction due 'til it hit's $1867.43, my next target ....
@ After you have exposed the Jews as the focus of evil in the world, what next? -- BWP, 20:49:29 11/22/09 Sun
... that's a simple one ... loss of votin' rights, removed from most jobs, denied access to higher education and sent to concentration camps ... been there, done that .... this time it won't be so easy ....
this is how you turn junk into junk silver... -- Nuclearson, 20:44:28 11/22/09 Sun
bought a 1937 telephone at a yardsale for $20
cleaned it up, put on ebay and sold it for about $170
got an apmex email they are selling morgans/peace dollars for 2 bucks over spot.
MichaelH - That's right. Wait 10 years for this -- morbius, -- MichaelH, 20:04:01 11/22/09 Sun
Naw, I studied this crap (cycles) for 10 years. But it's just a quick parabolic down and will soon continue where it left off (UP big).
mozel - Well, thanks for that info... -- morbius, 19:58:57 11/22/09 Sun
How about answering the question. After you have exposed the Jews as the focus of evil in the world, what next?
mozel, do you really believe the claims made at YOUR link above?
There's no need to convince me that many of the varies 'Salvation Manuals' contain many primitive and bizarre rituals but its a little far fetched to believe that most Jews even read much of the Talmud let alone practice some dusty old ritual contained within.
Scientology, Mormon, Judaism and many other 'Salvation Manuals' are better left on the shelf IMO.......
Got sweat lodges?
Got 5am prayer calls?
Got hunger pains?
Got Sun/Sat appointments?
Got doors to knock on?
Got boiling pots of water to dance round?
Got chants to murmur?
Got hungry volcanoes to satiate?
Got vows 'O' silence?
Got self Flagellation? Ouch!
Better them than me lol
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I see irrational exuberance is setting in within the Bughouse -- MichaelH, 19:33:40 11/22/09 Sun
Not with me. Top, definite top in gold Monday.
Hmmm.......................................... -- forthecraic, 19:14:08 11/22/09 Sun
Could be that the Hamptons might be missing some several key player for "Turkey Day".Looks like a huge contango developing.
"Gold is getting frothy" -- AZAU -- The_Vet, 19:04:42 11/22/09 Sun
Just checked mine... It's just as hard, heavy and solid as it always was... The fiat notes in my wallet definitely feel more flimsy though....
Irrational Excluberance -- forthecraic, 19:03:15 11/22/09 Sun
Yep! Happen right now. Stay tuned. Get a good nights sleep if you can't trade Nikkei direct. Har. MY money is a close below $1,000 by mkt close Wed.or The next Monday open on NY. Buy insurance if you can. This portends to be a nasty whiplash.
Test the limits of soveign debt and national solvency...... -- AZAU, 18:48:15 11/22/09 Sun
Greece tests the limit of sovereign debt as it grinds towards slump
Greece is disturbingly close to a debt compound spiral. It is the first developed country on either side of the Atlantic to push unfunded welfare largesse to the limits of market tolerance.
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 5:58PM GMT 22 Nov 2009
Euro membership blocks every plausible way out of the crisis, other than EU beggary. This is what happens when a facile political elite signs up to a currency union for reasons of prestige or to snatch windfall gains without understanding the terms of its Faustian contract.
When the European Central Bank's Jean-Claude Trichet said last week that certain sinners on the edges of the eurozone were "very close to losing their credibility", everybody knew he meant Greece.
The interest spread between 10-year Greek bonds and German bunds has jumped to 178 basis points. Greek debt has decoupled from Italian debt. Athens can no longer hide behind others in EMU's soft South.
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mozel - What exactly are you looking for? -- morbius, 18:16:16 11/22/09 Sun
Awakening everyone to the realization that the Jews are the focus of evil in the world? And then what?
@morbius @Lying is what it is. But they do also mock with lies, -- mozel, 18:06:46 11/22/09 Sun
a faint, weak species of propaganda by one person, but powerful in mass media hands.
USD Carry Trade .. -- Delta-au, 17:53:04 11/22/09 Sun
With near-zero U.S. interest rates and easy funds readily available, investors have borrowed huge sums of money in dollars to purchase higher-yielding assets overseas in carry trades to achieve better returns. Analysts say there's every indication dollar carry trades could get bigger.
"The dollar carry trade could be bigger than the yen carry trade and could go for years -- at least three or four," said Richard Franulovich, senior currency strategist at WestPac in New York.
Increased carry trade in the dollar would likely result in further declines in the dollar, which has fallen 7 percent so far this year against a major currency basket , weighed down by increasing risk appetite and low interest rates.
Estimates from Pi Economics suggest the dollar carry trade may have reached $250 billion to $550 billion in the first half of 2009. At the height of the yen carry trade, transactions were said to have hit $1 trillion, accumulated from 2004-2007.
I am old fashioned I guess---old school... permabear1 -- Submariner, 17:48:50 11/22/09 Sun
I used to think this way. Keep your word even if it hurts.
However, if the mortgage contract contains language addressing what happens if, for whatever reason, you can no longer fulfill the terms of the agreement, then I see no moral issue so long as the sanctity of contract is not violated, i.e. its terms are fulfilled.
outstanding forward swap contracts .. -- Delta-au (), 17:34:44 11/22/09 Sun
The following is a list of outstanding forward swap contracts with the Federal Reserve, Bank of Japan, People's Bank of China. They are not included in foreign exchange reserves, but can bolster the reserves when credit is taken out, and reduce the reserves when credit expires. The Fed has extended its credit deadline to Oct. 30, 2009 for those nations listed below. Japan's deadlines are April 30, 2009, but may be extended. China's table list below are a lines of credit, and does not show actual withdrawals, and are valid for 3 years.
Rank Country/Monetary Authority Foreign exchange swap with Fed
(millions of USD) Figures as of
1 European Union European Central Bank -264,100 Nov 2008
2 Japan -97,000 Nov 2008
3 United Kingdom -54,300 Nov 2009
4 Brazil -30,000 Dec 2008
4 Mexico -30,000 Dec 2008
4 South Korea -30,000 Dec 2008
7 Sweden -25,000 Nov 2008
8 Australia -21,600 Nov 2008
9 Switzerland -20,800 Nov 2008
10 Denmark -15,000 Nov 2008
Rank Country/Monetary Authority Foreign exchange swap with BOJ
(millions of USD) Figures as of
1 South Korea -20,000 Dec 2008
2 Indonesia -12,000 Feb 2009
3 Thailand -6,000 Dec 2008
3 Philippines -6,000 Dec 2008
5 Malaysia -3,000 Dec 2008
5 India -3,000 Dec 2008
Rank Country/Monetary Authority Swap credit line with PBC[20]
(millions of Yuan) Issue date
1 Hong Kong -200,000 Jan 2009
2 South Korea -180,000 Dec 2008
3 Indonesia -100,000 Mar 2009
4 Malaysia -80,000 Feb 2009
5 Argentina -70,000 Mar 2009
6 Belarus -20,000 Feb 2009
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Club of Rome -- Smythe, 16:41:16 11/22/09 Sun
"The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself.....we are facing an imminent catastrophic ecological collapse" and "our only hope is to transform humanity into a global interdependent sustainable society, based on respect and reverence for the Earth"
- Club of Rome
Climate sceptics persist against Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull .. -- Delta-au, 16:37:30 11/22/09 Sun
NOTE THE DATE ..
MICHAEL BACHELARD
November 8, 2009
CLIMATE change sceptics in the Liberal Party will not be silenced despite Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull's contention there is ''overwhelming support … right across the board'' within party ranks for a carbon trading scheme. The sceptics dominated debate on climate change in a meeting of the Victorian division of the Liberal Party yesterday.
One rank-and-file Liberal member was given rousing applause when he said global warming was a natural phenomenon and the theory that human activity had caused it was ''absolute rubbish''. Another speaker said those proposing action on climate change were working towards creating a ''world government'', while a third said any engagement on the issue would signal that the Liberals had ''raised the white flag''.
The grassroots debate highlights the huge task Mr Turnbull faces as he tries to bring his party with him on amendments to the Government's carbon pollution reduction scheme.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd taunted Mr Turnbull in a speech on Friday, saying sceptics - ''world government conspiracy theorists'' - and the Opposition Leader were ''holding the world to ransom'' by sabotaging progress on a global treaty. Mr Rudd's attack came as international negotiators all but conceded there would be no agreement this year to satisfy both rich and poor countries at the Copenhagen summit next month.
Cassini Sends Back Images of Enceladus as Winter Nears -- LilDevil (), 16:29:47 11/22/09 Sun
This unprocessed image was captured by NASA's Cassini spacecraft during its Nov. 21, 2009 flyby of Saturn's moon Enceladus. It shows the ridges and fractures on the surface of the icy moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/cassini-b-20091121.html
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Bilderberg Lackey -- Smythe, 16:16:25 11/22/09 Sun
Oh, the horror ! LOL !
"Mr Van Rompuy, 62, who was appointed to the newly-created £320,000-a-year post at last week's special EU summit, set out his stall on direct Euro-taxes during a private speech at a recent meeting of the Bilderberg group of top politicians, bankers and businessmen. The group officially meets in secret, but when selected details of his remarks leaked out, his office was forced to issue a public statement on his behalf.
"The financing of the welfare state, irrespective of the social reform we implement, will require new resources," he said. "The possibility of financial levies at European level needs to be seriously reviewed.""
The proposed NWO tax orgy -- Smythe, 15:59:29 11/22/09 Sun
is running into an ice cold bath of leaks. Someone should tell the EU head bozo before he makes an even bigger fool of himself :
"New EU president Van Rompuy wants the EU to run on CO2
Carbon taxes will provide the EU with its own revenue stream. That's the dream of the new EU President"
Liberals (aka .. Conservatives) disarray over climate deal .. -- Delta-au (), 15:47:39 11/22/09 Sun
MICHELLE GRATTAN
November 23, 2009
ANGER has deepened within the Opposition over emissions trading, with internal criticisms that chief Liberal negotiator Ian Macfarlane has become too close to the Rudd Government. Opposition figures were shocked and infuriated when the Government revealed it would not announce its compromise offer on emissions trading until tomorrow - only to discover that Mr Macfarlane had asked for the delay. Mr Macfarlane admitted he and Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull decided last Monday - when it was clear negotiations would go into the weekend - that the Opposition party room should consider the outcome tomorrow and the plan should not be unveiled by Labor until then.
The move gives opponents of the scheme less time to mobilise against it. Mr Macfarlane said he had not wanted the Government to pre-empt the party room discussion with an announcement. ''My goal is that the MPs and senators hear the outcome of the negotiations from me - not from the press, not from the Government.'' But he neglected to tell the manager of Opposition business in the House, Christopher Pyne, who was taken by surprise when Climate Change Minister Penny Wong outlined the timetable on television yesterday morning.
.. http://www.theage.com.au/environment/climate-change/lib-disarray-over-climate-deal-20091122-isu2.html
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SMH chimes in .. -- Delta-au, 15:43:50 11/22/09 Sun
Email leaks 'aimed at climate summit'
DAVID STRINGER
November 23, 2009 - 6:44AM
A leading climate change scientist whose private emails are included in thousands of documents stolen by hackers and posted online says the leaks may have been aimed at undermining next month's global climate summit in Denmark.
Kevin Trenberth, of the US National Centre for Atmospheric Research, in Colorado, says he believes the hackers who stole a decade's worth of correspondence from a British university's computer server deliberately distributed only those documents that could help attempts by sceptics to undermine the scientific consensus on man-made climate change.
Trenberth, a well-respected atmospheric scientist, says it does not appear that all the documents stolen from the university has been distributed on the internet by the hackers.
well .. "The Australian" newspaper has just reported the story .. -- Delta-au, 15:28:53 11/22/09 Sun
COMPUTER hackers have broken into Britain's leading climate science research centre, making public thousands of private emails between top climate change scientists and, in the process, laying bare their bitter disagreements about the cause of climate change. The emails -- more than 2000 of them, plus 3000 documents -- began appearing online late on Friday, and are widely available.
Some are malicious -- in one, the head of Britain's Climatic Research Unit, Phil Jones, says he is "cheered" by news of the sudden death of a prominent Australian climate sceptic, John L. Daly, who died of a heart attack at his Launceston home in 2004. Others show scientists referring to sceptical colleagues as "prats", "charlatans" and "idiots". The emails also acknowledge the frustration of trying to find evidence to "prove" man-made climate change.
In one email, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the US Centre for Atmospheric Research, who supports the theory of man-made climate change, says: "The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't."
@Lil Devil @ There's a concealed international Jewish trade in asportated body -- mozel, 15:05:22 11/22/09 Sun
parts, too, you know, but it's not ritualized ...
Were those bodies found drained of blood, concerning which there were public trials, merely fictitious ?
i'm guessing many here dooone know that .. -- Delta-au, 14:59:59 11/22/09 Sun
this week .. the Aust Goo is ..
* voting on an emmissions trading scheme (ETS) ..
* IOW a climate pollution reduction scheme (CPRS) ..
and .. PM KRudd wants it to be passed before Copenhagen ..
and the msm is still not over the Phil Jones CRU story ..
Some real Big Rocks are being turned over at the mo, -- Glyndwr, 14:43:20 11/22/09 Sun
exposing many crabs and 'roaches to the light of day.
We next need to see -
1/ - If they start to run for cover.
2/ - If 'more' start to notice.
Aliens and Fraud -- LSteve, 14:42:36 11/22/09 Sun
Do a google search on Col. Steve Wilson. Interesting stuff, anyway he maintains that Kissinger is the head of all the alien secret stuff.
I can't wonder if these guys know something that is going to happen and thus they have allowed all the fraud, derivatives and tungsten. I wonder if when this event happens the massive fraud will be forgotten or rendered moot.
'Rise of the Tea Bags' - Still Rising... -- doran, 14:40:57 11/22/09 Sun
Oh Lord have mercy, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I could only take a few minutes of teh stoopid. Can these people tie their shoes without assistance? http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7508
"finish your damn contract" saith the Damning Creditor Soul -- mozel -- Permabear1, 14:38:37 11/22/09 Sun
Hell, why even require a payment!?! Housing should be a right!
Humm...just like health care I guess. There appears to be inconsistency surfacing. It's socialism when I say it's socialism and capitalism when I say it's capitalism.
Sarah Palin - America's Evita -- doran, 14:34:22 11/22/09 Sun
Republican Party --- now a far right fundamentalist cult --- http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7525
- WileE a state-run health care system can knock off the oldies (non-cost-effective to save). -- wuhcuh, 14:32:18 11/22/09 Sun
Don't insurance companies already ration health care? Incidentally, I have known and talked to former military people on Tricare and V.A. They have almost unanimously told me it is a great quality of care. Those wouldn't happen to be government run health care systems would they?
Government Health care -- wuhcuh, 14:26:31 11/22/09 Sun
Obama's health care program is estimated to cost 1 to 2 trillion dollars over 10 years. The current cost of the financial exposure from the banking/housing crisis is estimated to cost around 24 trillion dollars. In my opinion, the Gov and the media are keeping the masses stirred up about the 100 billion dollars a year, so they don't focus on the 24 trillion dollars the banks stole. The amount of energy invested in the subject of health care is HUGE. wtf? Now would be a good time to unplug from the matrix. The magician has you watching his left hand, while his right hand steals your wallet. In my book, 24 trillion is a little more than 2 trillion. Where's the largest amount of anger invested? Health care or Bank bailouts?
2bro2b -Bird, bird, bird, bird's the 4-letter word. -- wuhcuh (), 13:53:30 11/22/09 Sun
Now that's funny, and an interesting observation. A bunch of old people drawing benefits with a reduction in younger population would not be convenient. They'll have to pull grandpa's job as a greeter at Walmart and put him back unloading trucks on the dock.
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The apocalypse won't happen if ..I.. have anything to say about it. -- Pyrite, 13:50:58 11/22/09 Sun
I read all the doomsday scenarios with attention and grave concern.
I pay attention and post my anonymous indignance in high dudgeon.
I shall not rest.
Not on my watch.
democrat wakes up to reality -- mugwump obamacare really sucks -- wuhcuh (), 12:54:00 11/22/09 Sun
The reality is, there is a demographic shift occurring. With the "graying" of America, there will be less young people to pay into benefits for old people. A couple of years ago, I was at a retirement planning event. The facilitator said at that time there were 2 people paying in for every person drawing Social Security benefits. They also said When I retired, there would be one person paying in for every person drawing benefits. Where are they going to get their benefits from? It's not logical for it to work like that. You can't divide one persons paycheck up between 2 households. Let's say the government doesn't address the medical issue. How will the costs be reflected by the insurance companies and how will they maintain their profit margins? The young people right now are paying for Social Security, and socialized health care through Medicare, and Medicaid and the Veteran's Administration. They have families parents and relatives. Why is it their responsibility to fund the socialized health care of a bunch of old geezers? They weren't around to protest the the events leading to the current financial conditions. Social spending is a 2 way street. Wouldn't it be equally as acceptable for all of those people over 60 to receive the exact same benefits they're wishing on the young?
1.No medical care for the young = no medical care for the old. If you want it, do like they do and get your checkbook out.
2. No Social Security for the young = No Social Security for the old. (They'll never see it, so why should they have to pay into it.)
3. Insurance Premiums for the young = insurance premiums for the old. (Why should they be the ones paying the majority of the insurance?)
Incidentally, both employees and employers pay large health care insurance rates. If I had a business, and I wanted to increase my competiveness and profit margin I would look for a way to offload my insurance costs. At the next election, I would be donating to the party most likely to reduce those costs. My bet is the Republican party will pay heavily in the next election for their lack of solutions in easing the insurance burden on businesses.
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Real Estate .. -- Delta-au, 13:47:33 11/22/09 Sun
US pre crash prices @ 5 times earnings ..
Canada @ 7.4 times ..
Australia @ 7.8 times .. but we're different .. THIS time ..
..
With the "graying" of America, there will be less young people to pay into benefits for old people -- 2bro2b, 13:47:04 11/22/09 Sun
As I understand it, if given only choice between a swine flu or bird flu pandemic/pestilence, swine flu wiping out the aged, infirm, frail and elderly is far preferable.
Bird flu leaves behind the dependent, wiping out the young and healthy by driving robust immune systems into overdrive with 50% lethality. A dystopian recipe given public benefit schemes of generational accounting, passing the maxed out American Express charge card onto those expected to be around and slave to pay it off. Bird, bird, bird, bird's the 4-letter word.
"With the "graying" of America, there will be less young people to pay into benefits for old people" -- Nuclearson, 13:15:19 11/22/09 Sun
wait till this engineered pandemic gets to going at full speed, there is no other age group of cattle that line up more compliantly for their shots than the greatest generation...
ABS: anti-lock braking system needs bubbles purged from lines -- 2bro2b, 12:48:55 11/22/09 Sun
The utter collapse in ABS products such as ABS CDOs, SIVs, Arbitrage conduits, and others is presented by the next chart. If one were to remove the government-guaranteed attempt to jump start securitization, it becomes clear that the Fed is doomed to failure at reigniting the securitization spark.
"finish your damn contract" saith the Damning Creditor Soul -- mozel, 12:45:12 11/22/09 Sun
"You shall not press down upon the brow of the belabored this crown of thorny numbers. You shall not crucify man unkindly upon a crossed out sum beyond the the digits of everybody's desktop calculator." saith the Damned Debtor Soul
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Raja & slippery slope -- Deepbreather (), 10:56:14 11/22/09 Sun
It is no longer a "slippery slope", Raja. It is approaching a freefall. Denial is the first stage of grief...and we are in DENIAL. Worst case, the projection is for a glide path of demise for the U.S. hegemony. Of course, some "head in the sanders" consider this "condition" to be a momentary inconvenience. History documents that one cannot predict or control evolving instability. A society can go from order to chaos virtually overnight...even this latest empire...the one "god shed his grace on". Oh by the way, Kissinger did not originate the term "cannon fodder". The term dates back to the 19th century. Kissinger should be in prison for his pyschopathic behavior.
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-- -- Winston (), 12:19:09 11/22/09 Sun
Q&A with Dr. Niman, (PHD in Biochemistry)
re: the flu has mutated so that it now has "D255G" receptor binding aspect to it.
Q. Dr. Niman, do you happen to know what the percentage of all the D225G cases were fatal? I'm trying to get an idea of the Case Fatality Rate (CFR) of the mutant strain. Thanks!
A. It is very high for the known outcomes. It is 4/4 in Ukraine, 2/3 and counting in Norway, 2/2 in Brazil. 0/1 in China.
Q. Dr. Niman, could you give a guesstimate % as to whether or not this virus mutation will continue to grow or grow a little and die out on its own?
A. I don't see this change dying out anytime soon. For 1919 (Spanish Flu) there was only one isolate and it had D225G.
Gerald Celente :: now forecasting 'the greatest depression' -- siempre33 (), 11:51:46 11/22/09 Sun
[Biggie, if this is 'fascist' stuff, sign me up!]
Since 1980, Celente has made at least 40 accurate predictions about major world events. In 1986, he forewarned of a major global stock market crash, which occurred the very next year, and is now commonly known as Black Monday. Throughout the 1990’s, many other forecasts came true, including the collapse of the Soviet Union, surges in global terrorism, the popularity of spiritual and new age philosophies, public backlash against globalization, upsurges in online shopping, and the 1997 Asian financial crisis, to name a select few. In the new millennium, predictions-turned-real are the correction of the dot-com bubble, the 2001 recession, emerging bull markets for gold, the rise of alternative energy, the collapse of the heavily-inflated real estate bubble, and unsurprisingly, the ‘Economic 9/11’ that we are currently witnessing.
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how many Rhodes must a man walk free -- 2bro2b, 11:44:05 11/22/09 Sun
generally two- to fivefold between business leaders and doctors or lawyers, or five- to tenfold with professors, scientists and public servants -- were often rationalized by Rhodes scholars as reasonable additional compensation to balance the lower standing of business jobs among their peers.
When differentials could become a hundredfold or far more -- and as investment banking and similar firms started to recruit young Rhodes scholars who had degrees in math, physics or even history, English and theology -- the yawning prospective wealth chasm understandably became impossible for many to ignore.
After the Assassinations of RFK & MLK -- Gila_Bob, 11:27:31 11/22/09 Sun
Friends:
When the Fascists stretched their Newfound Power
To the Limit
It was the Riots & Protests in the 1960's & 1970's
That eventually brought a Halt
To the Vietnam War & the "policy" Of Eliminating
Dissenting Views.............
It was the Policy of NOT PAYING for the War
That led to the Inflation of the 1970's
It wasn't Welfare excepting for the Minions of the MIC
So it ALL looks pretty similar Today
And many of the same Fascist Impulses
Are beginning to Rise Again
To save the Whitebread Welfare State
That is right at the Heart & Soul
Of thee MIC & the DOD Budgets
0n which thee IllU$ion of Empire Depends
The Idea that you can Take Over the Whirled on Kredit
Was All Weigh$ misbegotten............
And the Idea that you can blame the Collap$e
On the Banker$ that serve this Beast
Or the people with No Health Insurance
Is about as Retarded a POV
As U can Develop
Buttttttt
It's thee Olde Southern White Cracker -- Southern White Elite Logique
Keep the Poor White Trash
Worried about Darkies & Emojados Taking Their Job$
While you $ell Their $hare-Cr0ppin' A$$ Down-the-River
Big Bob
(And MANY here, if they t00k even a FEW Minute$ to Reflect
Would realize that they are PERFECTLY Aligned with Fascism
jU$t like GOLDbrick
Who was at least Honest Enough to Admit It)
all weighs 33 -- Gila_Bob, 10:56:15 11/22/09 Sun
Friend:
The 1963 coup d'etat was RUN
By a Vice President GREEDY for Power
An FBI Director who was the Lavrenty Beria of the US
A CIA LOYAL to A. Dulles & the Cuban Exiles & the MIC
AND a Mafia eager to get back their Cuban Holdings
At the Behest of the Military-Industrial Complex
It was a Fascist Coup
Any Future "coup" will be Run
Largely by those Same Interests
It will be Fascist in Nature
And MANY Here will bee Oh!! Sew Happy!!!
Big Bob
(Celente is an Outright Fascist
Desiring to Take what he cannot Win in an Erection
snowy north housing -- 2bro2b, 10:43:37 11/22/09 Sun
At the peak of the U.S. housing bubble, just before it burst, house prices were five times the average American income; in Canada today that ratio is 7.4:1 almost 50 per cent higher.
siempre33 -- Raja, 10:31:07 11/22/09 Sun
My reason for saying that "it defies logic" is this: when the world economies are collapsing, these control freeks er-rich and famous people will go the way of the Czars (sp?). They think that they can live in a vacuum that they are creating? Resultant revolution will remove them all from the planet!
Sorry, Wrong Number -- 2bro2b, 10:19:07 11/22/09 Sun
It’s not OK for journalists to be bad at math
Things become complicated—not to mention embarrassing and embarrassingly hilarious—after inaccurate numbers make their way out into the world. The more often a statistic is reported and re-reported, the more authority it assumes. At a certain point, an incorrect number gains a wake of supporting citations that can challenge or overcome the actual facts.
There was an interesting Bloomberg roundtable broadcast this weekend, Origins of the Crisis, with a panel of authors who've published accounts. Some of their books delve into the events leading up to the meltdown, some begin with the bailout, Michael Lewis (Liar's Poker) moderating.
Niall Ferguson was one. His Ascent of Money (on the shelf here, unstarted) was a multi-part broadcast on PBS a while ago which he narrated, a nice overview through the centuries of banking and finance. He said an interesting thing in response to a question posed of each, how did you get into business journalism. He said looking into the roots of WWI in pre-war Germany, the archives of bankers
and financial institutions recorded in the day, convinced him that finance and financial market history have as much to do, in some cases more to do with history, than politics and political history. An understanding absent almost all journalists and reporters, politically consumed, and probably most historians, missing half the picture.
And the broad population allowing for a Groundhogs' Day of S&Ls, LatAm debt crises, asian contagion, seemingly ad infinitum, none of it worthy of airtime or printspace until the aftermath. Politics gets 99-100% of it, the revolutions and evolutions in finance and markets zero to zilch. There is little to no market for it. I guess that leaves the dark matters to one's own devices when half the known universe is missing to the whole of the world.
I agree with everything you say, except "It defies logic."
Not if you understand the One Worlders plot, which I posted on yesterday....this fits right in with the
Global Warming plot, which I also posted on 11/21...
in this context it makes a bit more sense that our world
is in its current state...
Barney Fwank -- Smythe (), 09:21:38 11/22/09 Sun
as stand-up comedian :
"Frank said he was opposing the Paul amendment because it could be perceived as influencing monetary policy, which can have inflationary pressure. "Perception is very important in monetary policy," said Frank."
From the Paul-Grayson link posted earlier by Fedfighter.
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What about the party on the other side of the transaction? --Pbear -- Pyrite, 09:14:20 11/22/09 Sun
There is diligence required. Back in the old days (2003 or 4) when I wuz startin on my plan to live offa morgidges, it was OBVIOUS when or when not to lend any money at all.
I had one slum that .....I..... appraised as "land and lumber."
The owner needed a 41k loan. After a year he wanted to kite it to 64k which wuz also OK wit me.
But then he needed to bump to 78k and cud not make the payments on the 64k with FOUR renters. (1200 sq ft)
I refused to bump and the broker sold it to someone else.
Itz up to a lender to LOOK at a house before puttin any money in it.
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran -- Permabear1 (), 09:04:46 11/22/09 Sun
It blows my mind, the immorality of what the professor from Arizona is proposing. If things don't work out, you simply walk away. WOW! What about the party on the other side of the transaction? I am old fashioned I guess---old school...
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Gerald Celente :: Story is 100% right.. -- siempre33, 09:06:34 11/22/09 Sun
Another key derivatives critic is Christopher Story FRSA, editor of the UK-based International Currency Review, which he has been publishing for 40 years; Story counts central banks, sovereign treasuries, and government intelligence agencies around the world among subscribers. Noted as a former occasional adviser to Margaret Thatcher, he has long maintained that the entire derivatives sector is centered on fraud. His website also presents a chronicle of very serious allegations – tantamount to charges of ongoing, worldwide economic terrorism – against high-level individuals within the US government and financial sectors, including current and former presidents, cabinet secretaries, intelligence agents, as well as Federal Reserve and banking officials.
It is common knowledge that severe consequences accompany the willful publication of libel in the UK; per Mr. Story, Britain’s Head of State, Her Majesty the Queen, and many other world leaders, are fully aware of these allegations. As he has not been prosecuted for disseminating libelous statements, one can only assume that these charges, spanning back at least six years, are indeed based on facts. Granted, I am in no position to individually authenticate purported crimes, but I can enlighten others on what is being published over an international landscape; after reviewing this catalogue of analysis – which forecast most of the events that are happening today – some will certainly be inclined to contact US law enforcement agents, and demand an investigation into these shocking claims. If that is the case, please do so in a civil manner. (Note: this report has been submitted directly to American authorities.)
I mentioned Mr. Story’s stance on derivatives to Gerald; the other allegations were not specifically referenced during our conversation. “Story is one-hundred percent right…these are con games,” he said, in regards to derivatives.
Coup d'etat anniversary....Nov.22, 1963 -- siempre33, 09:01:18 11/22/09 Sun
who can forget that day?
..public officials would be very wise to respect the words of John F. Kennedy, who once said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
it won't be long until there IS violent revolution imo...
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran -- Permabear1, 09:00:49 11/22/09 Sun
Some people should be ashamed to be foreclosed on. Obviously, job loss and medical related problems that can savage family budgets are huge exceptions.
However, for those who bought up and put little to nothing down so they could feed their egos by buying a McMansion, I'd say finish your damn contract. A house is NOT an investment, it is a place to live in and raise a family. The price fluctuations are incidental to the purpose of owning a home.
siempre33 -- Raja, 08:59:05 11/22/09 Sun
Look at the damage that is being done to our young men fighting and getting physically and psychologically disable for the rest of their lives, when they could have been productive and adding to our prosperity. As Henry Kissinger said, "soldiers are cannon fodder for the politicians". It is all so sad that the country' resources are being spent on items not needed by the consumers (weapons) and resources would be spent to support these disabled veterans for the rest of their lives.
We are mad, specially the powerful who don't pause and think in terms of the nation as a whole over the long term. How could rich and powerful nations be that stupid? It defies logic.
If I, an ordinary man, could think of the slippery slope to oblivion the U.S. government took when Bush decided to go to Iraq, how come our best and brightest stopped thinking past the tip of their noses? I find it extremely hard to believe what I see happening now a days. Lord help us.
m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob, 08:47:36 11/22/09 Sun
Friend:
I have no l0w 0pini0n of M0is 0r U
I d0 kn0w that given the Current Weakknee$ of yer argueMint$
U'd prefer to view n0 c0unter-vailing 0pini0n$
Well, Tuff Shit
I don' wanna sea ya Fall0ff the Turnip Wagon
Like the mental cRIPple Did
Sew I'll stick here ta Guide ya Back
T0 the Path of Rati0nal 0bjectivity
Big Bob
(fedfighter............
I di$$ed the p0stie not U
I am NOT anti-GOLD.........
I sea other Opportunities as Well in the Economy
The Economic "analysis" Here
Is Largely Disconnected from BOTH
My Daily Experience AND the Views Expressed in the Conference Calls
I Listen To.............
I prefer to LISTEN to those In Business
Than to those opining ABOUT Business
Which they never can be bothered to Conduct
Simple As That
Off to Oil & Gas Accounting..........
I Still Own Properties..........)
I know i already posted this link but... -- fedfighter, 08:47:05 11/22/09 Sun
but if you care for a dose of optimism read the remarks regarding the Paul/Grayson bill. It's not in fashion to be hopeful on this site but what the hay, it's Sunday. Here's an example;
Another parasite reveals his true allegiance -- Smythe, 08:01:06 11/22/09 Sun
They are scurrying from under rocks all over the place :
Fury as credit crunch civil servant lands Rothschild job
By Simon Watkins
Last updated at 1:18 AM on 22nd November 2009
Inside knowledge: John Kingman will become the new managing director of NM Rothschild
The civil servant who oversaw the taxpayers’ stake in Britain’s crisis-hit banks is at the centre of a conflict-of-interest row after it emerged he is to join a leading investment bank.
John Kingman, the former chief executive of UK Financial Investments, is to become the new managing director of NM Rothschild.
Walk Away: Why More People Should Abandon Their Homes -- doran, 07:56:43 11/22/09 Sun
Millions of Americans, whose homes are now worth significantly less than their mortgage, could be making an expensive mistake by continuing to try and pay their loan off when they should, instead, be walking away. In fact, owners are willing to keep piling money into a losing investment simply because they're ashamed to foreclose, according to a controversial new study. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/shame-cost-homeowners-big/story?id=9120264
For those mindful of their P's & Q's...quadrillions, pentillions. Needful now more than ever. A simple reset,
say lopping off 6 or 9 zeros would be understandably helpful in a broad-(de)based popular sense.
"You shall not press down upon the brow of the belabored this crown of thorny numbers. You shall not crucify man unkindly upon a crossed out sum beyond the the digits of everybody's desktop calculator."
"The survivors would be the ones we are fighting at this time."
Good post....that gave me something to reflect on....
I'm not sure 'the survivors', or at least most of them,
will even survive, although there are those who
ALWAYS seem to 'land on their feet'....
at the rate the crooks are being taken down,
we may wind-up with quite a different world
than anyone can even imagine....
even those with 'the most' are not assured
of anything these days imo....
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Should Obama Fire Gen. McChrystal? -- doran, 07:35:46 11/22/09 Sun
MacArthur was playing a back-channel game to win the support of like-minded Republican congressmen to expand the war, but Truman faced him down. With the support of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as the Secretaries of State and Defense, Truman rose to the occasion and fired the distinguished "old soldier."
MichaelH, WALIAC -- Raja (), 07:29:22 11/22/09 Sun
I usually get up between 3-5 am. Since I am retired, I see no reason to change clothes, specially because I will go for part 2 of sleep right after I eat some food. Since I get up this early, there is nothing else to do but to come to the computer. Even if I could do things, the severe arthritic pains prevent me from doing physical labor.
Yes, the world is getting nuttier each passing day. Who would survive this insanity and how is the big question. Deflation-inflation debate is still going on. Gold goes higher but not gold stock funds. What is one to do? Living in a track home does not encourage one to buy physical gold. In any case, one won't be able to use them for buying food in a store....assuming there is still food available. Peak oil, deficits, debt, coming market collapse (or 35000 on the Dow?) It is all so confusing. 20 years ago, times were a bit more predictable.
Amazing: we are hell bent on destroying ourselves as a nation and take down the rest of the world with us. The survivors would be the ones we are fighting at this time. Since the muslim nations never even tried to climb economic mountain, they have nowhere to fall to. A man lying on the ground does not fall, only the ones standing on the edge of a cliff: that' where we appear to be.
Oh well. We can't do anything about it.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/19/fed-beaten-bill-to-audit_n_364546.html -- fedfighter, 07:17:55 11/22/09 Sun
Liberals are waking up to the nefariousness of the Fed
buy it and forget it -- 2bro2b, 06:58:56 11/22/09 Sun
Selling it and forgetting it, lightened up by a third, from 9k sh to 6k...more at rising price points to maintain allocation, still at 5% overall assets after sales, 25% of the acct its in. In event of decline precious metals overweight won't be reaccumulated. Overweight was much
higher late 'Nineties, early 'Oughts.
There seems to be a Peter Principle on steroids associated with mining operations, the worst possible thing that can happen will at the worst possible time in the worst possible way.
I've found good grades tend to be forgiving of that, more marginal operations are soon issuing shares and piling on debt.
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hamilton -- mugwump, 06:22:40 11/22/09 Sun
And I suspect this GLD growth and resulting asymmetric upside impact will continue for years to come yet. Why? America’s stock investors remain woefully underinvested in gold. At the end of October, GLD held $36.9b worth of gold on behalf of US stock investors. This sounds massive, and it is relative to gold. For comparison, the big recent Reserve Bank of India purchase of 200t of IMF gold that laid the psychological foundation for this latest gold surge was just a $6.7b deal.
But compared to the gigantic stock markets, GLD remains trivial. The same day GLD held $36.9b worth of gold, the S&P 500 alone had a collective market capitalization of $9870.4b! Despite GLD’s phenomenal success, it remains tiny in the grand scheme of stock investing. It is only worth 0.4% of the S&P 500’s market cap, and a smaller fraction still of the entire stock markets’. Yet even the most conservative advisors recommend all investors have at least 5% of their portfolios in gold, with some recommending up to 20%.
GLD could still grow by an order of magnitude from today’s levels and still only hit 3.7% of the S&P 500’s market cap! So GLD’s holdings, and thus its upside impact on this gold bull, should continue to grow as long as stock investors remain underinvested in gold. This secular gold bull which started in April 2001 is probably only half over today, and mainstream gold investment should continue to grow throughout its entire second half. So GLD’s holdings ought to grow on balance for many more years yet.
Iraq report: Secret papers reveal blunders and concealment -- Iainmac, 06:04:30 11/22/09 Sun
The “appalling” errors that contributed to Britain’s failure in Iraq are disclosed in the most detailed and damning set of leaks to emerge on the conflict.
forgot this one .. -- Delta-au, 03:34:28 11/22/09 Sun
Add Tim Ball's article in CanadaFreePress to the mix .. clippings ..
Global Warming is often called a hoax. I disagree because a hoax has a humorous intent to puncture pomposity. In science, such as with the Piltdown Man hoax, it was done to expose those with fervent but blind belief. The argument that global warming is due to humans, known as the anthropogenic global warming theory (AGW) is a deliberate fraud. I can now make that statement without fear of contradiction because of a remarkable hacking of files that provided not just a smoking gun, but an entire battery of machine guns.
Someone hacked in to the files of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) based at the University of East Anglia. A very large file (61 mb) was downloaded and posted to the web. Phil Jones Director of the CRU has acknowledged the files are theirs. They contain papers, documents letters and emails. The latter are the most damaging and contain blunt information about the degree of manipulation of climate science in general and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in particular.
Climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists
Dominant names involved are ones I have followed throughout my career including, Phil Jones, Benjamin Santer, Michael Mann, Kevin Trenberth, Jonathan Overpeck, Ken Briffa and Tom Wigley. I have watched climate science hijacked and corrupted by this small group of scientists. This small, elite, community was named by Professor Wegman in his report to the National Academy of Science (NAS).
Total Control
These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.
CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”
CRU Hacked .. -- Delta-au, 03:01:45 11/22/09 Sun
story seems to be gathering momo .. when I checked the
global press releases 12 hours ago, there was nothing
apart from 2 blogs assoctiated with the UK-telegraph
and Aus-HeraldSun .. IOW .. no direct media story ..
now it's growing some legs ..
UK - Daily Mail Online ..
One of the world’s leading climate change research centres has been accused of manipulating data on global warming after thousands of private emails and documents were leaked.
Hackers targeted the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit and published the files, including some personal messages, on the internet.
Among the most damaging is one which appears to suggest using a ‘trick’ to massage years of temperature data to ‘hide the decline’.
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USA - Washington Post ..
Hackers broke into the electronic files of one of the world's foremost climate research centers this week and posted an array of e-mails in which prominent scientists engaged in a blunt discussion of global warming research and disparaged climate-change skeptics.
The skeptics have seized upon e-mails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in Britain as evidence that scientific data have been rigged to make it appear as if humans are causing global warming. The researchers, however, say the e-mails have been taken out of context and merely reflect an honest exchange of ideas.
University officials confirmed the data breach, which involves more than 1,000 e-mails and 3,000 documents, but said they could not say how many of the stolen items were authentic.
"We are aware that information from a server in one area of the university has been made available on public websites," the statement says. "We are extremely concerned that personal information about individuals may have been compromised. Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm what proportion of this material is genuine."
Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University, said in a telephone interview from Paris that skeptics are "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious."
In one e-mail from 1999, the center's director, Phil Jones, alludes to one of Mann's articles in the journal Nature and writes, "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
Mann said the "trick" Jones referred to was placing a chart of proxy temperature records, which ended in 1980, next to a line showing the temperature record collected by instruments from that time onward. "It's hardly anything you would call a trick," Mann said, adding that both charts were differentiated and clearly marked.
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The first time I've ever agreed w/ our resident anti-gold gold bug -- fedfighter, 02:34:45 11/22/09 Sun
Bob What the hay has gotten into to you, granted RIP should be R.I.P.but I never said I believed Fulford but the guy obviously has his contacts, how else does he get a interview w/ Davey Rockerfeller. Melloooooow Big Bob Ommmmmmmmm
Black Bob....y0u need to get OUT more often before you... -- Norwester, 01:19:19 11/22/09 Sun
.
...blow a gasket chompin' butts around here....
.
....I don't have a Palmer cue....I have an old Brunswick
snooker cue...that had the handle drilled and about
another good 12-oz. of lead poured in, sealed with resin
when it cooled [no, it didn't crack the rosewood, either!].
It's prolly a good 28-ozer that SMACKS a cue ball so
crisply that it's scary....I used it when I partnered-up
with another pool-hall wastrel like myse'f one summer
'tween our sophomore and junior years of college to win
the city snooker tournament out there in O-dess-A...yup,
coupla punk 19-year-olds beatin' out a field of some
120 teams over that 10-week run....
Ah thin' that ol' cue is up in my attic, I hope...broke
the damn cheezey plastic "pool shooter" atop the trophy
some years back during a move....the base may be up there
too...somewhere...lots of good memories up in that attic...
Phoney Money, Phoney Wars -- crazytimes, 01:08:30 11/22/09 Sun
are being exposed more and more. They must be preparing something BIG folks. It can't even be a false flag thing like 9/11. Nobody trusts a single Government anymore. As crazy as it sounds, I'm wondering if they're gonna have some false Alien/UFO show staged. I'm not kidding. Why is ABC's "V" coming out now? It could be social engineering.
Gila - With such a low opinion of us, why do you post here? -- morbius, 01:07:02 11/22/09 Sun
A cry for help - like Bullishonhisself? You have gone as bat-shit for Obama as Bullish did for Sarah Palin. Perhaps Crazytimes could talk you down....
Local Update -- Gila_Bob, 00:54:14 11/22/09 Sun
Friends:
Saturday Afternoon
No Big Games in Town
No Major Events
4 PM: Southbound (and Northbound) I-25 Packed Solid 5-25 MPH, Bumper-to-Bumper thru Downtown Denver
Mustta bin allah the Unemployed l00kin' ta Hand Out Resumes
On the Weak End
After the Bidnethe$ are Cl0$ed
Got a Cue-Smith to Ask Around for Parts for My Original by Palmer Jointed Cue..........
A Little Work and this Baby I won in 1969 for $35 will be Worth $3,500 Minimum
Played 3-Cushion Billiards WELL for 2 Hours
No Action...............Even with a Healthy Spot
Averaging 1 3-Cushion Billiard per 2 Innings..........
Semi-Pro Level
LOL
8 PM: Once again I-25 Packed Solid 20-35 MPH Northbound (and Southbound), Bumper-to-Bumper thru Downtown Denver
Must been allah said Unemployed Job-$eeker$ Returning Home
After discovering allah the Bidnethes WERE Cl0$ed
Took Wife out for Birthday Dinner
Asked HER if I l00ked Black
No Dice.............She said I was Still White
Told her about the Voy CONfU$ion
She said that Retards have those kinds of Problems
Modest Traffic coming Home @ 10 pm.........
SAtill pretty busy for Late @ Night
Suspect many of those Job Seekers were now L0$t
LOL
Further Reports as Warranted
Big Bob
(It is very c0mm0n for DelU$ional Bigg0t$
T0 presume that their Logical Better$
Must bee of another Race or "Group"
Since these nitwits believe that Every One
Live$ in the same kinda Trailer Park
They Dew.............
Kinda Sad, Really, Never able to l00k past their Prejudices
To see the Larger & Happier Whirled
Butttttttttttttttttttttttt
That's How It Is When U Think Yer Life issa Shit Sandwich
And you've only Eaten the Corner of one Piece
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/ -- fedfighter (http://www.voy.com/64855/newpost.html), 00:17:18 11/22/09 Sun
The Feds may be planning to dump all the toxic garbage on Bank of America
The desperate, cornered criminal rats who own the Federal Reserve Board are now planning to take all their toxic financial waste and dump it on Bank of America and make it the fall guy, according to a CIA source. That is why they have been unable to find a new CEO. However, that is not going to be enough to save the criminals.
Multiple, reliable sources including MI6 and the Chinese government now confirm that the Federal Reserve Board and the Bank of England were using gold-plated tungsten to “back up” their massive selling of gold futures. As the contracts came due for the delivery, the scam was unveiled.
an IQ of 128 and you can go fuck yourself -- Rack, 23:57:43 11/21/09 Sat
Carmack that 128 isn't your IQ that's your asshole rating.
I believe 128 is a perfect score. Way to go asshole!
Viva la Restoration -- Romanov (), 22:58:45 11/21/09 Sat
When the smoke cleared, we Americans found ourselves the subjects of a gangster state, in thrall to a clutch of greedy, corrupt and incompetent banks which only days before had failed. We were now the guarantors of trillions of dollars in worthless assets that had generated billions in profits for those same banks in recent years. Their gains remained their gains; but their losses were now our losses. Our money, the reserve currency of the world, was now backed by toxic waste.
I am in turn in absolute awe -- morbius -- Carmack (), 21:07:06 11/21/09 Sat
of your complete inability to behave in a way that is anything less than an egotistical arsehole who is unable to obtain a passing grade in elementary science ?
ps I also have a special certificate in psychometrics and qualified to assign you a failing "D" !!! ie for "dumb" ! lol
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Big Bang -- mozel (), 21:06:21 11/21/09 Sat
Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.
The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.
Therefore is judgment far from us, neither doth justice overtake us: we wait for light, but behold obscurity; for brightness, but we walk in darkness.
We grope for the wall like the blind, and we grope as if we had no eyes: we stumble at noonday as in the night; we are in desolate places as dead men. - the vision of Isaiah
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First national bank issues notes 1791 -- Jasper, 21:01:54 11/21/09 Sat
Carmack - 'The Relative Humidity drops' - That's Rocket Scientist for 'gets drier' -- morbius (), 20:42:21 11/21/09 Sat
Now if I were to say that you had a Maple, that does not imply that you have ONLY ONE Maple. You might have two, or even three, and the statement would still be true. Likewise, if I say that it 'feels dry' that does not imply that it ONLY feels dry. The fact that the air actually IS drier was covered with the statement about the relative humidity dropping.
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Carmack - I'm sorry. I am being mean. -- morbius, 20:58:15 11/21/09 Sat
It must have been Earl's call for more vituperation. He gestured hypnotically. I started it. I'm guilty. I must be guilty.....
morbius, -- Carmack, 20:46:19 11/21/09 Sat
Keep googling and trying Mr Morby but you still dumb dumb dumb!!!!!
BTW I have a sci degree,and two post graduate degrees and an IQ of 128 and you can go fuck yourself ! lol
I'm guessing he's black, an illegal, or on welfare. --- RIP -- Miro (), 20:28:14 11/21/09 Sat
oh my my, here comes the real bright knucklehead from Canada.
Stupid piece of shit thinks that all black people are dumb, illegal folks are even worse, and only thing he can associate with is being on welfare as his mom still feeds him. Quality of posts on this board is really reaching a gutter level. No wonder when RIP posts 24x7
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Sounds as if Morby -- Carmack, 20:30:55 11/21/09 Sat
failed grade 8 science !!!!!!
Morby the moron -- Carmack, 20:28:08 11/21/09 Sat
"The relative humidity drops (feels dry) on account of the ability of the newly heated air to absorb more water in the form of humidity.
"feels dry" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Who the F wrote that? Must have been your doppelganger ? ie your moron doppleganger ! lol
Of course "moron" if the heating system in effect dries out the air it is going to "feel dry " !!! Stop being redundant !!
morbius, -- Carmack, 19:50:08 11/21/09 Sat
The inside air doesn't just "feel dry" ,moron it is dry !!! So before you hurt yourself with vain, unclear explainations its the "heating systems" that dry out the air.
Summer frequently 75% , winter often 40%. One should strive to keep it above 50 % !!
well that is what I meant to say -- Nuclearson, 19:42:45 11/21/09 Sat
you said it differently
maybe better
hell I got asperger syndrome
what the hell do you expect?
Nuc - It's not the heat, it's the humidity -- morbius, 19:39:36 11/21/09 Sat
The warmer the air, the more water it can hold as humidity. The warm, humid air inside gradually escapes to the outside where the moisture condenses out in the cold. The warm, humid air that escaped is replaced by cold non-humid air. Your heating system gradually raises the temperature of the new,cold air. The relative humidity drops (feels dry) on account of the ability of the newly heated air to absorb more water in the form of humidity.
ever wonder why the air inside can get so damn dry in the winter? -- Nuclearson (), 19:30:03 11/21/09 Sat
because the outside air is colder than the inside to start with
which means the outside air is considerably denser
and moister
this is why when the outside air seeps inside the house it expands so the water in the air dilutes
..discuss
(who started this 'discuss' crapola?)
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oilboiler - Yep -- morbius, 19:11:17 11/21/09 Sat
Always misunderestimating (W.) the power of The Dark Side.
Crosses in Astro photographs -- sesquiculus, 18:05:59 11/21/09 Sat
The "crosses" you see in some astronomical photos are merely diffraction patterns from the supporting struts of the secondary mirror in reflecting telescopes. That is, they are an artifact. Refracting telescopes ( with lenses and thus no secondary mirror supports ) don't have them.
RIP - I believe Gila -- morbius, 18:03:46 11/21/09 Sat
I always thought he was very bright (even if he is black). I can't believe he has suddenly become stupid. It appears he has simply lost his mind.
Gila appears to be just another partisan basturd. -- RIP (), 17:58:40 11/21/09 Sat
I'm guessing he's black, an illegal, or on welfare.
Prolly all 3.
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Gila - Once againyer Fulla Shit, m0rbiU$ -- morbius, 17:58:27 11/21/09 Sat
Come on Gila. I expect better than that from you. Stop acting like Carmack. What's your beef? What specifically did I say that was not true? Was it someone else railing about sending OPKs to Iraq? What's changed (other than the fact that YOUR man is now directing the slaughter?)
Gila - Remember the acrimony over the war on the old board -- morbius, 17:50:26 11/21/09 Sat
If I remember correctly, you were a proud member of the 'Gang of Fools'. The neocon contingent was so very concerned about the propriety of our language and the tone of our remarks toward our then Glorius Liter, GWB. They were equally unconcerned about the propriety of dropping bombs on innocent civilians half a world away. Excuse me for noticing, Gila, but it seems you have slipped a bit......
Gila - The darkies can vote for anything/anyone they want -- morbius, 17:29:45 11/21/09 Sat
as long as they understand the LIMITS of the franchise - you know enumerated powers - that kinda thing.
BTW, Why haven't we heard a peep from you about the wars since BO took office? I seem to vaguely remember you sounding off about OPKs being sent to fight for, what was it? If only we had Chrisophilos to maintain the historical record.
Speaking of Sabbath's -- MichaelH, 17:28:23 11/21/09 Sat
(I never got paid for food fighting. Since no checks arrived, I refuse all further work in that area)
but speaking of Sabbaths, I found today the 3rd cycle holding silver down to 1/3 the 1980's high versus golds 4/3's 1980 highs.
1st major cycle was 4 days after Oct 28/8 low on a Sabbath. 2nd major cycle was July 13/9 (Monday) and the third major cycle is on a Sabbath which corresponds to the date Nov 21, 2009.
The Stupid Guy -- Gila_Bob, 17:23:19 11/21/09 Sat
Would be the One who DID NOT Cover His Debt
And the Dishonest One would not Pay His Bills
Why dincha Take Down thee el-Buck0 @ $0.89
Wait...........I Know...........
Lottsa Blather.......... N0 $kin in the GamE
jU$t an Empty Ve$$el Screeching at Other$
A Sad Sack...........A Lame-0.........A Charlatan
A Wanna-Bee..........A Spiggot........A Noise Box
A Stupid Person........A Mental cRIPple
They have the Washington agreement -- Skinee, 17:22:34 11/21/09 Sat
to keep the centrals from flooding the market with gold.
And you guys say it ain't a bubble.
Give yo head a shake.
Gila - I suppose you inferred my preference for fascists -- morbius (), 17:14:13 11/21/09 Sat
from my enthusiastic support of GWB and his invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Or was it from my oft expressed love of Clinton Administration?
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I'd better go Report ta GOLDman $ack$ -- Gila_Bob, 17:14:03 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:
That thee Vaporous Mental cRIPple
Has gone off the Track$
LOL
Big Bob
(That's kinder than sayin' he's more than a FEW
Bricks shy offa Load)
Sabbath or a sabbath is generally a weekly day of rest -- MichaelH, 17:13:23 11/21/09 Sat
and/or time of worship that is observed in Abrahamic religions and other faiths.
***
Satur(n)day is considered Vedically and of older traditions to be the day of rest.
So, if you have nothing much informative to say today, GIVE IT A REST.
When is a penny worth a million $$$$$$ -- Jasper, 16:38:51 -- Delta-au (), 17:11:03 11/21/09 Sat
ahemm .. an Australian penny was on sale here for AUD$ TWO million this year ..
The 1930 penny was a proof coin .. one of only 6 struck ..
Three are held by institutions .. 2 in Museums and 1 in an Art Gallery ..
The other three are in private collections.
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mental cRIPple @ "$h0rt$" -- Gila_Bob (), 17:07:20 11/21/09 Sat
Yer unbelievably "simple" & Disingenu0U$
In addition to being a Lying Jack-A$$
I SOLD GAS I WAS GOING-TO-PRODUCE in the Future
To cover an Acqui$ition$ Debt Pay-Mint Schedule
I did not "short" Anything
There were BUYER$ who wanted the Ga$ at a FIXED PRICE
And Our PartnershiP Had it For $ALE
CONtinue to Blather 0n
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What an idiot -- RIP, 17:04:22 11/21/09 Sat
Haven't you digested that boot yet?
m0rbiU$ -- Gila_Bob, 17:02:00 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:
Have u No Sovereignty Now?????????
No Free Will????????
I know u'd prefer n0n-electede Liter$
I jU$t figured u'd wanna (g00$e-)Step-Up
Big Bob
(Maybe if only Rich White Non-Jewish Non-Liberal Guys Got ta Vote
Yeah...........That's the Ticket..............
And I KNOW ERLE, a-p0ll0, and multiple udders Here
tHINK that WOOD BEE bE$T.................LOL)
Jasper, 16:28:20 11/21/09 Sat -- LilDevil, 16:52:25 11/21/09 Sat
That's better lol
Assuming the crosses were not added just for 'effect'
I'd guess they're slightly over exposed bright spots, the galaxy itself is the object of the photo (obviously) and the photo was adjusted accordingly....I have no 1st hand knowledge but I doubt NASA would purposely dress that image up with phony crosses. It does not need it since the image is already quite 'awe inspiring'.
Now the source of the bright spots (crosses) look to me like a much more distant and much much more energetic object(s) than the subject galaxy...IE Super Novas and other extreme phenomenon. icbw
Gila - Sorry, not interested in ruling the world (only in having soveriegnty over my self) -- morbius, 16:50:07 11/21/09 Sat
Take it up with your bagel, pizza and chitlin eatin' poseur.
U.K. Royal Mint Quadruples Production of Gold Coins -- Jasper, 16:46:17 11/21/09 Sat
Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The U.K.’s Royal Mint, established in the 13th century, more than quadrupled production of gold coins in the third quarter after demand for the metal increased as investors sought to hedge against a weakening dollar.
Output rose to 32,735.8 ounces from 7,500.2 ounces a year before, according to data obtained by Bloomberg News under a Freedom of Information Act request. Production in the first nine months more than tripled to 100,391.3 ounces, the data show.
photo of the day -- Jasper -- Earl, 16:40:58 11/21/09 Sat
It's my understanding that those bright points are inherent to telescope optics and cannot be removed. There is also a notably less brilliant star on the lower edge of the galaxy ...... it displays the same artifact at lower intensity.
Get it? -- RIP, 16:40:15 11/21/09 Sat
Gila IS an achiever....even though he can no longer find oil.
Gas is a whole nuther story.
He's living off his hedge....ie. short.
While selling well short of his $15 call.
How much of those short proceeds are you donating to Obama's grand plan?
When is a penny worth a million $$$$$$ -- Jasper, 16:38:51 11/21/09 Sat
When is a penny worth a million dollars?
When it's a 1795 reeded-edge U.S. penny, one of only seven known to exist. It recently sold for nearly $1.3 million at auction—the first time a one-cent coin has cracked the million-dollar price barrier.
It follows the sale earlier this year of a high-end collection of rare half-dollars that fetched $1.1 million at auction. At the same time, popular $20 U.S. Saint-Gaudens gold pieces from the early 20th century are commanding $1,700 apiece, sight unseen, in decent, though not perfect condition, topping a record high last seen more than two decades ago.
Gila - That quote was from your hero -- morbius, 16:28:55 11/21/09 Sat
didn't recognize the lyrics (or the type of craven political lout to which the lyrics refer)?
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mugwump, 03:29:06 11/23/09 Mon 
A feckin' Hollyw00d Actor -- 
CRU Hacked .. -- 
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