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Jasper -- A beautiful galaxy with that irritating large star with the rays attached. -- LilDevil, 16:25:11 11/21/09 Sat
It might be a Pulsar or Quasar not a star

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Lil 'Devil, let's talk about today's photo of the day -- Jasper, 16:11:54 11/21/09 Sat -- LilDevil (), 16:20:30 11/21/09 Sat
Gimmee a link pls.
NASA homepage's pic of the day is this:
Robert Satcher's Self-Portrait
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/405647main_image_1524_946-710.jpg

NASA home
http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html

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Gila - Upset? -- morbius, 16:20:30 11/21/09 Sat
Man, you really HAVE lost it. There are many things to be upset about. Your stupid, childish and vulgar rants are not among them. Not even close.

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Well cRIP -- Gila_Bob, 16:18:52 11/21/09 Sat
I l0cked at $13.27.........
Kinda makes u l00k $tupid

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golly, m0rbgiU$ is Upset -- Gila_Bob, 16:16:51 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:

I hate ta sea a Lay-About
Actually Twitch

LOL

Big Bob
(U & the cRIP wood make a Grate Couple)

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Gila - You are a disgrace (is that observation 'bitching'?) -- morbius, 16:14:42 11/21/09 Sat
"The only cum around Here
Is in the Back of your Mouth"

Is about as low and vulgar a thing as I can imagine. Do you think all the money that (you say) you have made, or the academic honors (allegedly) bestowed makes such vile remarks less of a disgrace? (And SO superior to the use of the 'N' word, of course).

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You are as accurate as $15 nat gas. -- RIP, 16:14:28 11/21/09 Sat
Need I say more?

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cRIP -- Gila_Bob, 16:13:09 11/21/09 Sat
Yer only jealoU$ becAUse My Insults
Are Accurate in Your Case

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new EU prez :: today the EU; tomorrow the World -- siempre33 (), 16:06:21 11/21/09 Sat

Herman van Rompuy: At his first press conference, he announced that he wanted the EU to return to “the economic and social agenda”. He hailed 2009 as “the first year of global governance”: a reference to the wrong-headed G20 agenda. He went on to describe the Copenhagen climate summit as “another step towards the global management of our planet”.

article & video....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100017487/herman-van-rompuy-today-the-eu-tomorrow-the-world/

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Lil 'Devil, let's talk about today's photo of the day -- Jasper, 16:11:54 11/21/09 Sat

A beautiful galaxy with that irritating large star with the rays attached.

Does it make you feel the photo is more relevent to have those rays attached to the star.

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Good on ya Gila -- RIP, 16:11:06 11/21/09 Sat
Keep blowing smoke out yer arse....via personal insults.
It's the sign of a losing argument.

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Gila - At least I didn't lose my mind -- morbius, 16:07:58 11/21/09 Sat
when Boobus AmericANUS elected his first Kenyan president. "Yes we can!" LOL

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l00$er who has never accomplished a THING -- Gila_Bob, 16:06:47 11/21/09 Sat
Other than inheriting his daddy'$ $heckle$
CONtinues to BARE HIS A$$ to the Whirled
Whatta l00$er

LOL

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I have a bone to pick about the Nasa.gov, photo of the day -- Jasper, 15:22:17 11/21/09 Sat -- LilDevil (), 16:02:41 11/21/09 Sat

".............The photos are quite beautiful and the caption gives good reading. My problem is with the twinkling stars......................"

Hello Jasper, not sure if you're referring to a specific photo or 'NASA images of the Day' in general.
I not sure if "twinkling stars" are possible in a STILL photo, perhaps you're thinking of 'False Color' which NASA adds to represent invisible (to humans) frequencies of light?

"................. Where the stars have rays attached by special computer enhancement that is increasingly detracting from the photos. There are no twinkling ray stars when you look at them either by the naked eye or by telescope. Do you think that maybe because the 'Christ star' has the ray images that nasa.gov is trying to emulate religious connotations?............................"

'Enhancements' may distract from the beauty of an image but may be (more importantly) scientifically significant.
The Human eye is blind to most of the universe. IE. Infrared, Xrays, Gamma rays ect.
NASA does release images just for the beauty and grandeur but if they are "trying to emulate religious connotations", I have no idea.

"...........If you by chance are able to log into that website and can leave suggestions, could you please find out why they do this..........."

I have no special Log On credentials but contact info is often included with the images.

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Hey...A lot of nasty talk around here -- Skinee, 16:06:05 11/21/09 Sat
I am almost a priest and you guys talking pornographic.

Keep up the great work...it will help my professional career

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Should your 16:01 be the final word? -- RIP, 16:04:48 11/21/09 Sat
rotflmao

What a looser.

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Ya sea cRIP CONtinues -- Gila_Bob, 16:03:32 11/21/09 Sat
Ta try and get in thye Last w0rd
He cannot help it...........
He suffers from p0$tU$ InterruptU$

LOL

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Ya see...when Gila is wrong -- RIP, 16:01:49 11/21/09 Sat
..he resorts to personal insults.
And pounds his breasts.

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Give it up, cRIP -- Gila_Bob (), 16:01:11 11/21/09 Sat
The only cum around Here
Is in the Back of your Mouth

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morbius @ Maynard G. Krebbs -- Gila_Bob, 15:59:48 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:

I imagine he's your Patron Saint
I KNOW work!!! is beneath u

But apparently ENDLESSLY Shovelling Bullshit
Is Right Up Your Ally

LOL

Big Bob
(Why Try to Learn Anything
When U Already Know-It-All, eh m0rbiU$???????????)

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Nice comeback -- RIP, 15:58:22 11/21/09 Sat
Friend

lol

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cRIP -- Gila_Bob, 15:56:37 11/21/09 Sat
Zip Up yer Fly
Yer l00kin' li8ke a Dick!!!

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Gila -- RIP, 15:50:54 11/21/09 Sat
I'm sure dan would agree you won the Crammer award.
You sure stuffed him with your wizdumb.

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Gila - I have no interest is sifting through lies -- morbius, 15:47:33 11/21/09 Sat
be they government lies or accountant's lies. I am a low-trust individual, and I know it has cost me much money, but I am OK. Satiety is a joy that the greedy and overly acquisitive can never know. Kimo's Rules, remember.

I am only interested in driving the golden stake through the heart of The Beast.

Gila, "thou requirest a little lower layer. If money's to be the measurer, man, and the accountants have computed their great counting-house the globe, by girdling it with guineas, one to every three parts of an inch; then, let me tell thee, that my vengeance will fetch a great premium here!"
--Ahab

Or perhaps I should say a Golden Harpoon, so as not to mix metaphors.

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Joe sez -- RIP, 15:47:18 11/21/09 Sat
Smart money making easy money.
Institutions making big money.
Then the mania blow-off.
------
Like I said yesterday.
Just the GS bonus money would be enough to crush POG.
Clueless is what clueless wants to think.
Big money is currently frontrunning glod.....and the reason will become apparent much later.

Can you say....cartel?
Not cabal.

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Note to Mental cRIPple -- Gila_Bob, 15:44:50 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:

I know that you have not accomplished 1 Damn Thing
In YOUR Life.........
Livin' off Daddy'$ Munney & All.....

I have

Worked on Drilling Rigs up to The Position of Driller for 7 Years

A BS in Petroleum Engineering @ The New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology after That where
I was the Winner of The Cramer Award the Year I Graduated
That is, I was The Highest Ranking Engineering Graduate That Year in ALL Disciplines

I went to work for The ARCO Oil & Gas Company

While Consulting in the mid-1990's
I obtained an MS in Hydrogeology & Geology
At The Colorado School of Mines

I am also a Licensed Professional Engineer in 5 States
I passed the Boards in Colorado
I hold the Other 4 Licenses by Reciprocity

I know you like to be-little the Accomplishments of Others
Having NEVER done Jack-Shit Yourself
So TRY to at least get My Credentials Correct, Dip Shit

Buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

I'll try not to Let
Your Bad Attitude, Loutish Behaviour & Endless Screeching
Influence My Take on your Dim-Witted Advice.........LOL

Like that's even Possible

Big Bob

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add :: Climategate -- siempre33, 15:44:35 11/21/09 Sat

UPDATE: This is the email that has gotten the most attention so far:

[text of Jones email didn't copy, but here it is]
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26117073

The language is certainly suggestive--using a "trick" to "hide the decline."

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We thought Boobus would run to gold. - morbius -- JoeB, 15:38:54 11/21/09 Sat

Maybe you did, but I didn't. And as for RIP being right about one thing, we know it as: "the broken clock syndrome."

I have stated from the very beginning, that the average American would eventually buy silver, for when the time comes where they wake-up to what's happening, gold would be too expensive to buy (if it can be bought). Its at that point, we'll see silver really move, if not scream.

The first move in gold (which severely corrected last year) was the inflation play, this current move is the insurance play and the last move will be from either a collapse or major realignment of the monetary system.

Smart money making easy money.
Institutions making big money.
Then the mania blow-off.

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All U Dew is bitch, morbius -- Gila_Bob, 15:29:11 11/21/09 Sat
Friend:

But if I take up 20 Line$
Why it'$ Over-the-Top..........

Interesting..........
Kinda like u wanna Entertain
jU$t 1 POV...........
like cRIP........
like ERLE.......

b00 h00 h00!!!

U could pick the following Categories:
Alt Energy
Oil & Gas
Oil Sands & Heavy Oil
Utilities
Coal
Transpotation Rail
Transportation Freight
Food Grocer
Food Fertilizer/Seeds
Food Processor
Advanced Materials
Composite Materials
Steel
Equipment Manufacturing
Auto Manufacturing
Mining Base Metals
Mining Gold
Mining PGM's

Pick 1 stock out of EACH Category
Which had at least 1 Quarter of Positive Earnings Since Last Fall
LOOK OVER the Balance Sheet to make SURE you have $UM Intere$t & THEN
LISTEN to the Quarterly Conference Call
UNDERSTAND what THEY are saying about the General Economic Back-Drop
AND Their Business

Tells u more about thee Economy
Than countle$$ hours of Repetitive Propoganda
At THI$ Place

But that Requires Balance Sheet Analysis
Thought
Effort
AND Follow-Up (Call w/ Question$)

I know that this Type of Effort
Is beyond the ken of a Bunch of Dissatisfied, Lazy & Otherwise U$ele$$ Retiree$

But Hey...........
It's not like they could not Change

Big Bob
(It takes about 10-12 Hours a Day
Buttttttttttttttttttttttt
On just my Cash Account
I have a $urplu$ over My Start
AND
I have lived off the Proceeds
For the Last 8 mos.
Since I Bailed-Out on My ex-Partner$)

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Raja: This site is getting scarier each day. -- MichaelH, 15:29:04 11/21/09 Sat
Perhaps anyone subject to scare / urinary / similar problems would be advised to wear depends for the next few weeks, starting tommorow.

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this guy says bugs have lost all control -- 2bro2b, 15:28:31 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-retail-investments-share-of-total-gold-demand-2009-11

But most knew that already. Regarding zero credibility
its quite tolerable and most common. It's the credibility in the range
of negative infinity that gives one a sense of vertigo simply trying to gauge it
thus avoided for the dizziness.

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JoeB - And RIP was also bullish on bonds -- morbius, 15:23:35 11/21/09 Sat
and made the point that one could leverage even small changes in the interest rate. We thought Boobus would run to gold. He ran to bonds instead. There is plenty to criticize RIP about, but let's be fair. He called this one right, and it was a BIG call. When the Bond Bubble bursts, gold will have its day. I really believe RIP is on the wrong side of the next big move (with his assertion that GS is manipulating gold UP), but we will see. I expect a major attack @POG1200 (give or take a few bucks). How successful it will be remains to be seen.

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How many times were we promised inflation via the printing press? -- RIP -- JoeB, 15:23:19 11/21/09 Sat

Shift the conversation all you want, but you're constantly critical of others for being every bit as wrong as you've been.

And that's a fact, Jack!

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LilDevil, I have a bone to pick about the Nasa.gov, photo of the day -- Jasper, 15:22:17 11/21/09 Sat

The photos are quite beautiful and the caption gives good reading. My problem is with the twinkling stars. Where the stars have rays attached by special computer enhancement that is increasingly detracting from the photos. There are no twinkling ray stars when you look at them either by the naked eye or by telescope. Do you think that maybe because the 'Christ star' has the ray images that nasa.gov is trying to emulate religious connotations?

If you by chance are able to log into that website and can leave suggestions, could you please find out why they do this.

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And the facts are.... -- JoeB, 15:20:32 11/21/09 Sat

Monkeyboy, you've been wrong for as long as Gila and you haven't a foot to stand on, hypocrite.

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How many times were we promised inflation via the printing press? -- RIP, 15:19:25 11/21/09 Sat
Should we ask Japan?

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Facts are ... -- JoeB, 15:18:55 11/21/09 Sat

stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams

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Mr, Inflationist says I have zero credibility -- RIP, 15:16:55 11/21/09 Sat
Sounds like sour grapes.
You are prepared for the next leg down...aren't you?

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As you see it -- RIP, 15:13:55 11/21/09 Sat
But I still don't see $15 nat gas....or inflation.
I don't even see a US dollar currency crisis.
Yet POG trucks higher.

Discuss.

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You have zero.... -- JoeB, 15:13:09 11/21/09 Sat

credibility....ZERO....

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I simply said the dollar would not collapse -- RIP, -- JoeB, 15:10:33 11/21/09 Sat

That's a damn lie, weasel.

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I simply said the dollar would not collapse -- RIP, 15:03:41 11/21/09 Sat
Has it?

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A year ago... -- JoeB (), 15:01:49 11/21/09 Sat

RIP was bullish on the dollar, Gila on natgas.

A one year chart comparing the performance of both. Candlesticks are the US dollar, the black line is natgas.

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=0&id=p48785423271

Seems as though the pot is up to his old tricks. Harping on others for shortcomings from which he himself suffers.

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Raja: This site is getting scarier each day. -- MichaelH, 14:58:49 11/21/09 Sat
Sorry, its not the site, its the world. TV just doesn't report it.

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Pics Devil, pics -- RIP, 14:54:50 11/21/09 Sat
More pics from the goo teat.
The same one promoting global warming.

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Gila claims to be a petroleum engineer. -- RIP, 14:52:05 11/21/09 Sat
...yet his $15 nat gas call was so wildly off base....what it next?
A call for peak oil?
A call for global warming?
A call for stocks to the moon?

If you are that ignorant of your own profession....what hope is there?

Yawn.

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SMF chart -- mugwump -- Deepbreather, 14:51:17 11/21/09 Sat
Well, yea, I own as you know, but just as proud of my LSG.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=LSG.TO&t=1y

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RIP @ "..........I ain't here to make you rich........." -- LilDevil, 14:48:53 11/21/09 Sat
.

We noticed

Discuss

lol

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Gold Bubble burst - Skinnee -- CoralCalcium, 14:45:02 11/21/09 Sat
I know it's your thing to bash gold as it goes higher and higher. The bubble will burst when it becomes a bubble and long after the Cabal loses control. First of all they haven't lost total control yet and second of all, one out of every 100 Americans owns any physical gold or silver. Does 1-100 sound like a bubble to you?

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Skinee - You heard it here first -- morbius, 14:43:03 11/21/09 Sat
and we have heard it here BEFORE - many times.

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Sell Sell Sell -- Skinee, 14:37:59 11/21/09 Sat
The gold Bubble is going to BURST

You heard it here first

No difference than the housing bubble, everybody buying thinking it is going to get better.

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Gila's testosterone level has risen with the markets. -- RIP, 14:28:40 11/21/09 Sat
Bottom line is....1 short year ago...you didn't know shit.
You can toss numbers and percentage points....but where was the bellowing jackarse last November?
Nowhere.

Btw....you don't know sweet FA about me.
Let's keep it that way.

I ain't here to make you rich.

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Gila - It seems to me you do more whinning in one post -- morbius, 14:24:35 11/21/09 Sat
then the rest of the forum does in a day.

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seafloor secretions are the better part of value -- 2bro2b (), 14:09:14 11/21/09 Sat
Treasure bounty hunter Odyssey decides going into competition with Nautilaus Mining for exploration and monetization of gold and copper-rich Seafloor Massive Sulfide (SMS) deposits is preferable to litigation on five continents regarding wreck 'arrests' in seven seas. After finding treasure laying for centuries, often in view of land, suddenly every interest who'd stolen it at one time or another now think it belongs to them and judges tend to agree. Sahreholder, down -70%, twelve hundred bucks. Lesson, steer clear of companies with material ongoing litigation particularly if the attorneys involved outnumber the employees. At least keep the geography of suits down to a minority of continents and seas.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Odyssey-Marine-Exploration-bw-1994568524.html?x=0&.v=1

At least pom-pommers of peak goldist religiousity aren't smoking something or they wouldn't be peaked, calcs depend upon who's smoking what in their peace pipe. And how.

http://aphriza.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/smoker.jpg

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Meanwhile, Here at RepubliCRAP Central -- Gila_Bob, 14:08:56 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:

The parr0ting of end-LE$$ non-profitable Fox Nudes Drivel
Continues Day-after-Day

And the Whining LeveL is at Near Peak Pitch
I gata believe that most of the poster(iors) Here
Never get out into General Commerce At All
Or cannot be bothered to Listen to ANY Conference Calls
In order to Understand the True Nature
Of Current Bu$ine$$, Capital $pending & Future Outl00k

Lastly
Since allah u "$avant$" are sew Worried about Unemploy-Mint Rate$
Can anyone show mois the Data Revealing
An Economic Rebound out of a Rece$$ion
That BEGAN with decreasing rates of Unemploy-Mint

I will not Hold My Breath
Since I already Know The Answer

I have HIRED & FIRED People in My Career
And I have Laid-Off Folks when I Had To
And struggled like hell to find those People
OTHER Work

AFTER going thru the Latter
I worked the Daylights out of the Remaining Staff
To absolutely avoid a REPEAT of that Experience
Prior to Resuming Hiring

Of course many here who have never Been thru The Cycle
Know ALL ABOUT THAT.........
Especially what Fox Nude$ Tells Them to "know"

Big Bob
(Then there's the trU$t baby Here
That "kn0w$" about everything...........
Having never done ANYthing......LOL)

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Greenwald -- RIP, 14:05:01 11/21/09 Sat
Rule-of-law extremism engulfs primitive Eastern Europe
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/11/21/accountability/index.html

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CIA torture chamber in Lithuania? -- RIP, 13:58:52 11/21/09 Sat
Here is Rumsfeld during his 2005 tour of Vilnius.

...."I also had the chance to spend an enjoyable and educational Sunday morning walking through your historic, old town district and visiting the KGB museum. The museum was a stark reminder of the importance of preserving our liberty at all costs..."
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/003156.html

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-- -- Winston, 13:54:44 11/21/09 Sat
understanding the commerical real estate wreck...
crazy loans made in 2005,6,7, will blow up in 2010,11,12.
This will take out about 500 US banks. Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVYK2_NBI9E

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BTW...my cash call was well before the Lehman collapse -- RIP, 13:47:38 11/21/09 Sat
If you had listened to me....you could have resumed from a stronger base.
But you didn't.
So....you ARE lucky.

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Yer such a SAD Piece of Shit -- Gila_Bob, 13:47:24 11/21/09 Sat
cRIP

R U Makin' ANY Munney??????????????

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Yer a genius, Gila -- RIP, 13:44:23 11/21/09 Sat
Other than $15 nat gas....your shit doesn't smell.

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Blind Freddie's Cat beatS Ca$h Call -- Gila_Bob, 13:42:17 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:

Current A$$et$ (Ca$h + $t0ck$) UP 2.78 Times Value @ LOW CL0$E @ 11/21/2008.

Even Got Grammaw UP 1.66 Times Value since 3/9/2009 when I t00k over from the Wachovia Imbecile.

I Kn0w its jU$t Luck.......
The mental cRIPple t0ld me sew...........

Leaving it all in Ca$h as thee Nitwit Suggested
Would have left me 1/3 as Wealthy
Butttttttttttttttttttttt
I wood have had thee c0mf0rt of zero Return$.........LOL

Now he's out giving advice on Industry $ect0r$
Nothin quite like a Loud Mouth
An Empty Wallet & a Bird Brain

Anyone el$e might bee Em-BARE-A$$ed
But not our Mental cRIPple
On-and-0n he goes jU$t like thee Energizer Bunny

Big Bob

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@ purchasing power of gold -- RIP, 13:40:10 11/21/09 Sat
It is only indicating the power of cash....and the lack of credit.
Will it change?
Of course.
But when?

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education subsidies become birthrights -- 2bro2b, 13:38:29 11/21/09 Sat
Hundreds of protesters chanted, marched and took over a building Thursday on the UCLA campus, where University of California regents were scheduled to vote on a 32 percent student fee increase.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

UCLA, UC Berkeley students barricaded in campus buildings over tuition hikes. Oughta work, worked for French farmers parading sheep ablaze through the streets, nothing succeeds like success. Try reducing seniors' welfare.
Try reducing middle-class welfare, the home mortgage subsidy. Ain't gonna happen. Try continue paying it. Ain't gonna happen. Path of least resistance, the usual. Different this time, a whole lot. For one thing a media that didn't understand it then doesn't understand it now but the difference now is noone pays them any attention
in deference to web-based outlets that do understand and are happy to explain. Certificates of confiscation held domestically and abroad have been replaced with certificates of sophistication, the warfare less asymetric.

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been buying anooraq lately- as johnny sez -- mugwump, 13:35:56 11/21/09 Sat
SA is loaded in minerals other than gold
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Anooraq-Announces-Results-for-prnews-3252653194.html?x=0&.v=12

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Most popular article @ Financial Post -- RIP, 13:34:09 11/21/09 Sat
Why gold can make you poor
http://www.financialpost.com/most-popular/story.html?id=2245143

I would call this great news.

[Edit]
smf chart -- mugwump, 13:32:39 11/21/09 Sat
hope you all loaded up!!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SMF.TO&t=1y

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roan fav smf has quadrupled in the past year -- mugwump, 13:31:12 11/21/09 Sat
man, that guy can really pick'em
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SMF.TO

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toot toot!! trx up another 15% yesterday -- mugwump, 13:29:15 11/21/09 Sat
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TRX.V

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the street recommends gold stocks-lol!! -- mugwump, 13:27:26 11/21/09 Sat
where were these guys when gold was $254??
http://www.thestreet.com/story/10628638/2/how-to-buy-gold-mining-stocks.html

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Pyrite, neat that you kept that old menu momento -- mercury -- Pyrite, 13:18:22 11/21/09 Sat
Actually SHE kept it. I'm still going thru stuff. Didn't even remember the telegram I sent her on our anniversary back in the 60's.
Sent it to her where she worked.

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY DO YOU HAVE A BABYSITTER.

Wonder wot I cudda bin thinkin.

[Edit]
The lunatic fringe are hibernating -- Jasper, 13:13:52 11/21/09 Sat

Preparing to awaken and spread the world with news of crop circles, aliens, Elvis sightings, shroud of Turin affirmations, supercollider death threats, global warming, moon hoaxing, 911 denying, JFK conspiracy, Loch ness monster touting crazy kind of subterfuge that captivated the populace in the past.

Gee, you know, I miss the old days.

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Yeah...it's much better to spend a trillion on war -- RIP, 13:04:14 11/21/09 Sat
"you won't feel a thing"....said the good doctor.

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What about mining stocks -- Smythe, -- Deepbreather, 13:03:13 11/21/09 Sat
Well, Bowtie Jim, is fun to listen to, but the history lesson is irrefutable. Getting on the right side of the miners is absolutely necessary to take full advantage of a PM bull market. My personal experience has proven this in spades since year 2000 and I am just one of many. Yea, you have to play it a bit, selling a percentage into strength when you hate to do it, and buying into weakness when you're wetting your pants, but the rewards are just amazing. If you listen to Jim long enough you begin to wonder...he was neutral to bearish on gold until the last year or so. Anyway, some of his comments and rationale don't seem particularly enlightening. Like I say entertaining so he gets invited back on CNBC. Of course, the Oracle from Omaha is totally worthless, but he's everyone's god.

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Health care reform -- Jasper, 13:01:34 11/21/09 Sat

Bet you that the new bill for the health care reform is going to look good on your w2's. A new $ box right next to the social security box. You will have that wonderful feeling in the pit of your stomach when you realize that you are no longer getting benefits from social security AND will not get benefits from the health care reform but will still have to fund them both.

What a bunch of hosebags.

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@ Death Blow to Climate Science -- RIP, 13:01:11 11/21/09 Sat
Got alt. energy stocks?
I hope not.
Unless they start pimping peak oil again.

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-- -- Winston, 12:54:06 11/21/09 Sat
Fortify against H1N1 with herbs
http://drmarkcrapo.typepad.com/dr_marks_web_blog/2009/05/list-for-herbs-and-alternatives-for-flu-.html

[cranberry juice, curcumin, resveratrol block its power to reproduce]

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the disCredited ones -- 2bro2b, 12:53:30 11/21/09 Sat
A historic financial Bubble fueled a housing mania. The Bubble collapsed and the mania won’t be reappearing anytime soon. As a reminder of the nature of manias, Nasdaq traded above 5,000 in March 2000 and sits at less than half that level almost a decade later. Japan’s Nikkei traded to 38,957 on December 29, 1989 and closed today at 9,498. Reflations may create new manias, but they don’t rejuvenate the disCredited ones.

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/creditbubblebulletinview?art_id=10310

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global bologna -- 2bro2b, 12:35:01 11/21/09 Sat

http://theinput.net/2008/01/08/bologna_bubble_gum.jpg

No cute, barky trees were harmed in the costless replication or disemination of this ralphsome blowcookie.

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XAU (priced in DX currencies) -- 1/4 century trading range -- Kip, 12:33:13 11/21/09 Sat

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"Waaaay back when people still wrote letters" -- mercury, 12:18:52 -- Kip, 12:31:38 11/21/09 Sat
here's a service lets you send paper mail via the Internet..

For 99 cents, Snailmailr will take the electronic note you type on their web site, print it, stuff it into an envelope and mail it anywhere in the world. You can upload Word files, pictures, PDF files, PowerPoint files, and Snailmailr will print them all in full color. . . . http://snailmailr.com

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What about mining stocks -- Smythe, 12:29:53 11/21/09 Sat
as a way to play rising silver and gold prices?

Jim Rogers: Not with my money. The studies show that you would make more investing in commodities themselves rather than commodity stocks unless you are a very good stock picker. If you are a good stock picker, unless you find a company that is going to discover silver in Berlin you buy all you can and then you call me and I'm going to buy it too ....short of something like that and there are a hundred gold stocks and most of them don't pan out. But if you own gold, gold is making all time highs.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/investment-ideas/buy-gold-not-miners-jim-rogers/article1365211/

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A bit more on the global baloney -- Earl, 12:26:44 11/21/09 Sat

November 21, 2009
New EU Head Blatantly Admits the Goal of One World Government
Posted by David Kramer on November 21, 2009 06:48 AM

At 2:02 in this video, he declares:

“The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.”

video link at:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/43328.html

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Pyrite, neat that you kept that old menu momento -- mercury, 12:18:52 11/21/09 Sat
kinda curious honeymoon souvenir, nowadays most people just make a video.

at any rate, I came across this guys collection of hotel ephemera. mostly a bunch of letterheads and envelopes that used to grace the hotel room desk. Waaaay back when people still wrote letters. Pretty neat. Turns out that folks collect hotel matchbook covers and ashtrays, and hotel menus.

those hotel menus are actually a very good indicator of past prices b.c. they were 1) standardized and 2) common.

Basically, an earlier version of the big mac index.

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The Death Blow to Climate Science -- oilboiler, 12:09:42 11/21/09 Sat
Hacked files of the Climatic Research Unit, Global Warming a deliberate fraud

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17102

Total Control

These people controlled the global weather data used by the IPCC through the joint Hadley and CRU and produced the HadCRUT data. They controlled the IPCC, especially crucial chapters and especially preparation of the Summary for PolicyMakers (SPM). Stephen Schneider was a prime mover there from the earliest reports to the most influential in 2001. They also had a left wing conduit to the New York Times. The emails between Andy Revkin and the community are very revealing and must place his journalistic integrity in serious jeopardy. Of course the IPCC Reports and especially the SPM Reports are the basis for Kyoto and the Copenhagen Accord, but now we know they are based on completely falsified and manipulated data and science. It is no longer a suspicion. Surely this is the death knell for the CRU, the IPCC, Kyoto and Copenhagen and the Carbon Credits shell game.
CO2 never was a problem and all the machinations and deceptions exposed by these files prove that it was the greatest deception in history, but nobody is laughing. It is a very sad day for science and especially my chosen area of climate science. As I expected now it is all exposed I find there is no pleasure in “I told you so.”

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Gold priced in US Dollars -- Kip, 11:56:06 11/21/09 Sat

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Gold priced in currency components of the US Dollar (DX) Index -- Kip, 11:55:28 11/21/09 Sat

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more Climategate.... -- siempre33, 11:33:19 11/21/09 Sat

The Deniers looks very interesting....

Al Gore says any scientist who disagrees with him on Global Warming is a kook, or a crook.
Guess he never met these guys

Dr. Edward Wegman--former chairman of the Committee on Applied and Theoretical Statistics of the National Academy of Sciences--demolishes the famous "hockey stick" graph that launched the global warming panic.

Dr. David Bromwich--president of the International Commission on Polar Meteorology--says "it's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now."

Prof. Paul Reiter--Chief of Insects and Infectious Diseases at the famed Pasteur Institute--says "no major scientist with any long record in this field" accepts Al Gore's claim that global warming spreads mosquito-borne diseases.

Prof. Hendrik Tennekes--director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute--states "there exists no sound theoretical framework for climate predictability studies" used for global warming forecasts.

Dr. Christopher Landsea--past chairman of the American Meteorological Society's Committee on Tropical Meteorology and Tropical Cyclones--says "there are no known scientific studies that show a conclusive physical link between global warming and observed hurricane frequency and intensity."

Dr. Antonino Zichichi--one of the world's foremost physicists, former president of the European Physical Society, who discovered nuclear antimatter--calls global warming models "incoherent and invalid."

Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski--world-renowned expert on the ancient ice cores used in climate research--says the U.N. "based its global-warming hypothesis on arbitrary assumptions and these assumptions, it is now clear, are false."

Prof. Tom V. Segalstad--head of the Geological Museum, University of Oslo--says "most leading geologists" know the U.N.'s views "of Earth processes are implausible."

Dr. Syun-Ichi Akasofu--founding director of the International Arctic Research Center, twice named one of the "1,000 Most Cited Scientists," says much "Arctic warming during the last half of the last century is due to natural change."

Dr. Claude Allegre--member, U.S. National Academy of Sciences and French Academy of Science, he was among the first to sound the alarm on the dangers of global warming. His view now: "The cause of this climate change is unknown."

Dr. Richard Lindzen--Professor of Meteorology at M.I.T., member, the National Research Council Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, says global warming alarmists "are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right."

Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov--head of the space research laboratory of the Russian Academy of Science's Pulkovo Observatory and of the International Space Station's Astrometria project says "the common view that man's industrial activity is a deciding factor in global warming has emerged from a misinterpretation of cause and effect relations."

Dr. Richard Tol--Principal researcher at the Institute for Environmental Studies at Vrije Universiteit, and Adjunct Professor at the Center for Integrated Study of the Human Dimensions of Global Change, at Carnegie Mellon University, calls the most influential global warming report of all time "preposterous . . . alarmist and incompetent."

Dr. Sami Solanki--director and scientific member at the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, who argues that changes in the Sun's state, not human activity, may be the principal cause of global warming: "The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures."

Prof. Freeman Dyson--one of the world's most eminent physicists says the models used to justify global warming alarmism are "full of fudge factors" and "do not begin to describe the real world."

Dr. Eigils Friis-Christensen--director of the Danish National Space Centre, vice-president of the International Association of Geomagnetism and Aeronomy, who argues that changes in the Sun's behavior could account for most of the warming attributed by the UN to man-made CO2.

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abnormal trade (?) in dollar futures -- mercury, 11:28:02 11/21/09 Sat
y-day

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ice-investigating-spike-in-dollar-index-futures-2009-11-20

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some prices in 1980 -- WileE -- Pyrite, 11:20:17 11/21/09 Sat
Going thru Sondra's stuff yesterday and came across this ROOM SERVICE menu from our trip to Yosemite in 1969.
Prices weren't this exorbitant if you went down to the restaurant.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2828/yosemitemenu.jpg

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IPT.V is cheap.... -- siempre33, 11:17:19 11/21/09 Sat

a steal for under a dollar....but up 124% since 4/22 low...

http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26100715

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NEW SOLAR PANELS -- johnny, 11:13:08 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.citizen.co.za/index/article.aspx?pDesc=109199,1,22

SASOL IN THE HUNT

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Who says the RUSH isn't on? -- Pyrite, 11:11:05 11/21/09 Sat
Just got an Apmex email with a testimonial:

"Just wanted to let you know that my 1/4th oz Austrian Philharmonic Gold Coin arrived safely today, and it looks absolutely great. I appreciate the rather fast shipping as well. * This was my very first Gold Coin purchase, but it won't be my last. " I'll be back " ! I would like to be able to afford to purchase a larger coin like this, next time, such as a 1/2 oz, or maybe someday, a 1 oz coin. But for now, this 1/4oz coin will do just fine. You have made my very first gold coin purchase a very memorable event. Thanks very much." - Karl H."

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some prices in 1980 -- WileE, 11:07:10 11/21/09 Sat
Money and Inflation 1980's

To provide an estimate of inflation we have given a guide to the value of $100 US Dollars
for the first year in the decade to the equivalent in todays money

If you have $100 Converted from 1980 to 2005 it would be equivalent to $243.45 today

In 1980 a new house cost $68,714.00 and by 1989 was $120,00.00
Check Examples of Some of the Houses and Prices For Sale In The 80s in Our 80s Homes Section

In 1980 the average income per year was $19,170.00 and by 1989 was $27,210.00
In 1980 a gallon of gas was $1.19 and by 1989 was 97 cents
In 1980 the average cost of new car was $7,210.00 and by 1989 was $15,400.00

A few more prices from the 80's and how much things cost
Camaro Coupe $7,571 From Car Prices in the 80's
Pontiac Grand AM $9,965
Nike Air Force Basketball Shoes $54.90
Tailored Style Silk Blouse $15.99 From Prices for clothes and fashions in the 80's
Amiga 500 with Color Monitor $849 From Our 80s Electrical and Electronic Prices in the 80's
Hands Free Operating Car Phone History of Mobile Phones $788
Leg O Lamb $2.19 per pound
Milk 85 cents 1/2 gallon From Our 80s Price of Food Section
Bunk Beds with Mattress $148
Chrome Sling Chair $76.00 From Our Furniture Prices Section in the 80's
Cheer Laundry Detergent $1.59

from:
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1980s.html

Gold hit a high of approx $850 and traded over $600 most of the year.

see monthly closing prices in this article,
Kevin DeMeritt, "The Secret Price of Gold":
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/demeritt081706.html

An extreme example to be sure, but gold surely had higher purchasing power in 1980.
A car like a high-end Camaro could be had for 12 oz.
Today it's $32,000+ or almost 30 oz.

And that's when the manipulation started!
No telling how high gold's purchasing power can go if the manip schemes cave in.

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Climategate -- 2bro2b, 11:02:51 11/21/09 Sat
The bigger they are the har-har they fall. This was good if only for an overview for the layperson of the utter messiness extending to the galactic.

http://www.amazon.com/Deniers-Renowned-Scientists-Political-Persecution/dp/0980076315

The default position is probably that no one has a clue either way or any way nor any sound basis for one. At this point the climatology of Jupiter is better understood in terms of influential agencies for lack of conflating hominid inputs, real but of unknown effect, and Jupiter's weather can be rationally observed without controversy stemming from emotional, psychological, financial, cultural, ethnic, political, sovereign, regional, transnational, hemispherical...amongst many other....entanglements.

The apparently soundest argument advanced by the greens is the precautionary principle. Despite being fans of all things connected....a butterfly here, a tornado there....
their precautionary principle seems disconnected from other precautionary principles launched by the adoption of their precautionary principle, all things connected. No atheists in foxholes, no environmentalists in desperate men taking desperate measures as desperados in desperate poverty. Greens find environmental degradation in Malthusian numbers. Highest per capita/sq ft Hong Kong seems pretty clean and livable, no daily toxic poisoning of the residents. The greenest of horrors is found associated with destitution and the untold story within the borders of losers of the Cold War.

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Livestock & Industrial Metals... cheap when priced in ounces of gold -- Kip, 10:45:55 11/21/09 Sat

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Climategate -- oilboiler (), 10:09:58 11/21/09 Sat
The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: Watts Up With That)

When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As Andrew Bolt puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:

Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017451/climategate-how-the-msm-reported-the-greatest-scandal-in-modern-science/

Continuously Updated 'ClimateGate' News Round Up

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3943/Read-All-About-it-Climate-Depot-Exclusive--Continuously-Updated-ClimateGate-News-Round-Up

How to search inside the warmist conspiracy
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_to_search_inside_the_warmist_conspiracy/

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Valuing gold independent of fiat currencies -- Dabchyk, 10:00:01 11/21/09 Sat
Dabchick Gold Index figures [London trade. ( Basis : Jan 1982 = 100 )] for the past week:-

High - 206.1 Low - 198.7 Close - 205.0 for the week ending 20 Nov 2009

To see the updated charts of the index, go here
http://www.sharelynx.com/chartstemp/Dabchick.php
and click on the "Weekly Chart" and/or "Monthly Chart" links...

NB The index is a ratio of the change in the Real Value of Gold relative to what it was in January 1982. The calculation has incorporated the real value of the USD's trade-weighted index (the inflation-adjusted $TWI). This enables the index to show the real changes in gold's value since 1982, regardless of fiat currencies, by discounting the unreal price-raising effects which governments can cause to the fiat price of anything by the debasement of their fiat currencies.

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:-: -- Kip, 09:38:49 11/21/09 Sat
"Go take a look at how many ounces it takes to buy a car or a house. It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse .... I am certain that there has never been anything like this" -- mudturtle, 23:58:31
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and grains (corn, wheat, soybeans) too...... this chart shows just how cheap they are when priced in ounces of gold, compared with a decade ago.

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sec loosens up oil reserve requirements -- mugwump, 09:26:24 11/21/09 Sat
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26115328

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chris powell -- mugwump, 09:20:28 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.gata.org/node/8051

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bought more ipt last week- latest earnings look good -- mugwump, 09:18:06 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.impactsilver.com/i/pdf/2009-11-20_NR.pdf

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the benefits of a crumbling currency -- mugwump, 09:13:25 11/21/09 Sat
So the benefits of a crumbling currency have yet to materialize. However, the ravages of pursuing such a flawed policy have started to arrive. The price of oil has soared and gold is setting new highs every day. Credit spreads are indicating that investors are mispricing risk yet again and the ballooning trade deficit indicates that we once again believe we can consume much more than we produce.

The stock market is dancing on top of a $2 trillion monetary base and that latent liquidity has sent commodities higher, while the dollar sinks. My guess is that Wall Street and Washington believes things are getting much better. But I’ve seen this movie already and I don’t like how it ends. As the prints on CPI become more and more difficult to ignore, the Fed will be forced to remove the life support provided by their free money policy. When that occurs we will see the return of economic calamity. And maybe then we will have the courage to finally face and deal with the true problem. New flash to D.C. and Wall Street, it is not the misperception of an overvalued dollar, but rather it is our overriding debt.

Be sure to listen in on my Mid-Week Reality Check and to follow my blog Pentonomics
Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/michaelpento

Copyright © 2009 Michael Pento

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jordan roy-byrne -- mugwump, 08:58:52 11/21/09 Sat
Gold has followed a similar pattern, if you use $700-$730, the monthly resistance. Gold broke past that in 2007 and then retested it in 2008. The breakout past the 2008 high confirms that Gold is in new territory. Judging from history (and there are many examples), Gold is at the start of a major move higher. Our target for this move is $2,100-$2,300 in the next 12 months.

It is interesting how these major breakouts occur at a time when fundamentals are their strongest. How can anyone call Gold a bubble when gold production continues to decrease? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when monetization is rampant? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when the FHA and FDIC will need to be bailed out? How can anyone call Gold a bubble when the US deficit is in the trillions of dollars? The deflationary forces plaguing us are bullish for Gold. That is what the market is saying and that is how traders and investors are reacting.

There is a reason the recognition phase in a bull market comes after that major breakout. Humans are reactive and when it comes to the markets, they follow the herd. It is only after price breaks out do the fundamentals become so obvious. The views of the bubble callers and wanna be contrarians are baseless, misguided and ironically, coming at the worst possible time.

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Delta-au.........rising debt in OZ..........just assures that the -- AZAU, 08:41:58 11/21/09 Sat
entire global economy will collapse in the same way.

Noone escapes the global scam and subsequent disaster of the banking system and the corruption of the financial structure.

Creative interwoven financial engineering is no more than Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) by any other name.

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radomski -- mugwump, 08:33:02 11/21/09 Sat
Summing up, based on this week's price action, it seems that gold may need to move higher before correcting in a meaningful way. The key driving markets for precious metals, USD Index and the general stock market don't provide decisive signals, and the former has been recently trading rather independently from PMs, so it may not be needed to ignite a rally or a sell-off in the metals. Once the looming correction is complete, the following rally can be quite spectacular, as precious metals stocks are becoming less dependent on the main stock indices, and the non-USD gold price formed a massive cup from the very bullish cup-and-handle pattern. If the rally is to be profound even not taking U.S. Dollar's plunge into account, then the value of the yellow metal in USD can increase even more significantly from the "regular, USD perspective".

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Today GLD holds more gold bullion -- 2bro2b, 08:29:42 11/21/09 Sat
Today GLD holds more gold bullion than the individual central banks of China, Switzerland, Japan, Russia, Europe, and India! Overcoming some controversy after its introduction, GLD has matured into the juggernaut of the gold world. Through their collective buying and selling of GLD shares, stock traders now have far more influence over daily gold price action than the world’s central banks.
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Exactly the point. Hong Kong shifts a couple three tons, not even a sale or purchase, just relocation on the orb and its a big freakin' deal. Meanwhile GLD quietly, steadily
vaults another 100 times that amount. India scoops up 200 tons IMF gold, big freakin' deal. Gold ETFs steadily vault a multiple of that. Where the rubber meets the road, above ground gold and new production being shipped into storage vaults, largely unavailable for sale (or suddenly very much for sale,) bugs yabber on about tons of irrelevancies while finding only faults in the vaults of the tons that add up to what actually matters by orders of magnitude relative to that which doesn't outside pigments of the imagination.

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"Despite endless incoherent ranting by a few wildly-paranoid conspiracy theorists, GLD could not have achieved this without actually buying and selling real physical gold bullion as advertised."

Though beyond the scope of this essay to prove on a day-to-day basis, GLD’s activity in the gold markets is increasingly impacting the gold price. And through GLD, prevailing stock-trader psychology on gold is becoming more important than ever before. Greed and fear among GLD traders is amplifying big gold up days and down days, and the larger GLD grows and the more widely it becomes held the more significant and frequent this influence and interaction will become.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/hamilton/nov202009.html

(fwiw zeal has been proven wrong about most things, others yardage may vary. Gotta move these microwave ovens, gotta move these color teeeeveeees...)

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The genius of gold ETFs is integration into the financial markets. Not the coin shop down the street with big entry/exit spreads but no muss, no fuss, effortless low expense buy/sell bullion ownership complete with the risk management tools of any security/asset...stop losses, hedging etc.

If there is any gold conspiracy out there it is classifying this popular ETF asset as a collectable, denying favorable cap gains treatment which is why CEF sells at premium despite higher expenses. It's the taxes stupid, same diff between a muni and a taxable bond.

Yield-free risk, as in T-bills, CDs, money markets (currency risk) works to the yield-free benefit of gold for the time being, what's to lose. A future benefit would be removing its collectible classification which isn't going to happen. What can happen is a narrowing of the tax benefit differential by an increase in the cap gains rate of other assets, very likely to happen if familiar with the
mind(less)set of the usual suspects.

Contrary to those addicted/afflicted with a progressively debilitating illness culminating in terminal(...) insanity, an ugly growth of preference for anything and everything that actually isn't to the exclusionary dwindling of anything that is, gold price action is driven by market participants dwelling in reality, not bugs, and gold etfs are the preferred vehicle for participants because they are hands down preferable for any and every
common sense _reason_ for acquisition and holding of bullion.

Full disclosure-- never owned a gold etf. Sniffed around CEF several times, too high a premium particularly for nontaxable acct. Their sister fund, gold GTU had the same tax advantage, was thinly traded at a double digit discount after launch but I passed. Fcx silver- and gold-denominated preferreds, yielding high single digits for, at one asian contagion point, $150oz were gold and silver etfs before
etfs were a glimmer in an eye. Backed up and loaded the truck, should have broke the axles, ($15k income alone, adding gains upon mandatory redemption, 43%) that Aronson fellow saw their value. Being of rational mind with assets under management he left the children to play with their mudpies. His brother at Comstock Partners used to get major media facetime until turning as bearish as Peutz about ten years early with results to show for it. Down the hidey-hole, joining Abby, Elaine, Blodget, dotbomb Gilder. These has-beens have alumni reunions? Send out 5-year invitations to Roubini, Schiff, Taleb...? Fund managers Heebner, Miller's are in the mail. Fidelity's Lynch got out at the top of his run of luck, unlike Borg of tennis, or madman Jean-Claude Killy of skiing who got out at the top of their _game_. As the song goes when your hot your hot, monkeys and coin flips are at least tepidly more consistent than hominids but I digress.

There was some bullion laying around in a vault last Dec. Junk silver and retail sized bullion products were unobtainium other than ebay, a silver eagle 100% premium to spot, 100z bar 50% premium. The stuff laying around was 35% discount to spot, along with 35% discount on cash, cad T-bills. I thought that offered good downside protection for a bullion purchase while picking through the rubble that was strewn, as it turns out, from horizon to horizon.
GLD is up 25% ytd, sprott fund 100%. It was a cheap way to buy gold/silver but not a cheap way to hold or sell, given a 2/20 hedge structure. Still holding $35k after recouping original stake, it has the same tax advantage as CEF. It took a waste of time pointing out something laying around amongst a thousand touts a minute and certainly will never happen again. Risk adjusted 100% is hard to find for cash and bullion to hide out while the storm passes.

'Member Sam commenting on the armored truck out the window backing up to the vault to load Canada's gold.
Or mad scot outback Haggis, who couldn't comment on greenstone or greenfields for starting so far beyond where anyone left off and had forgotten everything in between.
He did mention as gold dwindled to $250oz that he was the only one left out there and that the average age of his hardrock ilk was 55+, looking for a matchstick head in a ton to strike it. That's the sort of silent clanging deafening enough to rupture eardrums. Anybody out there now, age.

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schiff -- mugwump, 08:29:02 11/21/09 Sat
Contrary to the conventional wisdom, when China drops the peg, the immediate benefits will flow to the Chinese, not to Americans. Yes, prices for Chinese goods will rise in the United States - but so will prices for domestic goods. As a corollary, the Chinese will see falling prices across the board. As anyone who has ever been shopping can explain, low prices are a good thing.

In addition, credit will expand in China while it contracts here. When China abandons the peg, it will no longer need to swell its currency reserves by buying Treasuries or other dollar-denominated debt instruments. Other nations will no longer feel the pressure to keep their currencies from rising, so they too could throttle down on their onerous dollar purchases.

As demand falls for both dollars and Treasuries, prices and interest rates in the United States will rise. Rising rates will restrict the flow of credit that is currently financing government and consumer spending. This change will finally force a long overdue decline in borrowing. So, not only will Americans lose access to the consumer credit that funds their current spending, but the things they buy will also get more expensive.

Our short-term loss will be in sharp contrast to the gain felt by foreigners, who will be rewarded with falling consumer prices and a more abundant supply of investment capital. In other words, the American standard of living will fall while that of our trading partners will rise.

However, this does not mean that I want the Chinese to maintain the status quo. In the long run, the U.S. economy will benefit from the abandonment of a system that guarantees our dependency and inevitable downfall. De-pegging will force the hand of U.S. politicians toward pursuing realistic policies. The Chinese will come to their senses eventually because it is in their interest to do so. Meanwhile, the longer the peg is maintained, the more indebted we become, the more out of balance our economy grows, and the more our industrial base shrivels. In short, the longer they wait, the steeper our fall.

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scary -- Raja, 08:25:26 11/21/09 Sat
This site is getting scarier each day. I feel like pissing in my pyjamas when on this site in the early morning hours.

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Bill Moyers Journal -- siempre33, 07:56:34 11/21/09 Sat

I consider this a 'must read' every week, esp. since
I usually forget to watch on Friday night....

http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26116993

the latest, historic recorded messages of LBJ
re. how the Vietnam 'strategy' developed....

dominoes my ass!

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ETFs :: do you trust 'em? -- siempre33, 06:06:27 11/21/09 Sat

Adam Hamilton...

Today GLD holds more gold bullion than the individual central banks of China, Switzerland, Japan, Russia, Europe, and India! Overcoming some controversy after its introduction, GLD has matured into the juggernaut of the gold world. Through their collective buying and selling of GLD shares, stock traders now have far more influence over daily gold price action than the world’s central banks.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/hamilton/nov202009.html

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another bull -- siempre33, 05:33:13 11/21/09 Sat

James Passin: It was clear to me at the end of 2008 that we were at the beginning of a powerful and lasting recovery in commodity prices and resource stocks. I think that the structural fundamentals are in place to support further increases generally in commodity prices.

http://www.kitco.com/ind/GoldReport/nov202009A.html

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Oz Households set to feel debt squeeze .. -- Delta-au, 03:18:43 11/21/09 Sat
CHRIS ZAPPONE
November 20, 2009

Households will begin to feel the impact of more interest rate rises, after years of racking up more debt, a report shows today. The Melbourne Institute Bulletin of Economic Trends for November flagged the increased likelihood of a Reserve Bank rate rise in December as the economy's recovery gathers pace. However, the research group noted that rising household debt would become a bigger factor for Australians as interest rates rise.

"At this point in time, it is likely that interest rates will rise which means that many Australians may see an increasing share of their disposable income used to service their debts," the report said.

Household debt as a share of disposable income has been rising since the early 1990s, surging to 150 per cent. Despite the higher debt levels, the crucial factor for many Australians is the ability of households to service their monthly debt, the Melbourne Institute said. The Australian Bureau of Statistics released data this month showing the amount owing on homes had almost doubled to $150,000 from 1994 to 2008, while the median home value had doubled during the period to $400,000.

"Rising household debt in Australia is increasingly on the minds of many economists and policy makers," the report said. "While debt servicing remained about constant over the 1990s, interest payments to disposable income have risen sharply, also roughly doubling over the past ten years."

The RBA raised interest rates by in October and November to the current level of 3.5 per cent, while credit markets betting on a 63 per cent chance of a rate rise in December according to data from Credit Suisse.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/households-set-to-feel-debt-squeeze-20091120-iq96.html
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Jasper -- WALIAC, 03:06:33 11/21/09 Sat

Yeah, but ya gotta remember that we're talking about central banks here...the masters of fractional reserve. They'll just move their liabilities into the asset column and lend 'er out again.

That's how banking works in the cartoon. That's 'the system' the parasites are willing to spend trillions of other peoples' money on in order to save it. Zzzz.

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Skys39, your Jim Willie post -- Jasper, 02:57:17 11/21/09 Sat

1.5million 400oz fraudulent gold bars.

150million ounces negated from world total.

A screaming price jump in the offing.

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More easily seen at: -- WALIAC, 02:56:19 11/21/09 Sat

http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/pave.htm

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mudturtle -- WALIAC, 02:53:48 11/21/09 Sat

A couple of weeks ago you were talking about shadow and sand art and it caught the attention of an old friend of yours and he wanted to send you this:

Julian Beever's pavement drawings

From JRL.

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get your ounce -- mozel, 02:50:30 11/21/09 Sat

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morbius -- WALIAC, 02:44:15 11/21/09 Sat

I know what you mean, especially today when a very good suit may be made in Asia for a quarter of one made in Italy. But he mentioned that someone should do a comparison using cars and, bless this board, someone will probably post a chart on it by morning.

The suit thing was my meager attempt to fill the gap.

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Banks warned to keep up their guard .. -- Delta-au, 02:39:07 11/21/09 Sat
ERIC JOHNSTON
November 21, 2009

JUST as the economy appears to be recovering, Australia's
top banking regulator has issued a blunt warning for the
banks: memento mori.

Latin for ''remember that you will die'', the term is
designed to remind those banks that have steered through
the global crisis of their own mortality.

Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) chairman
John Laker warns that the operating environment will remain
testing for some time yet.

Writing in APRA's latest annual report, Mr Laker said a
recovery in global growth was not yet firmly established
and that the balance sheets of many major banks around the
world were still burdened by poor-quality loans.

He also warned that the trajectory of Australia's economic
rebound was uncertain.

''In such an environment, market sentiment could easily
turn sour again,'' Mr Laker said.

''[Bank] boards and management will need to be particularly
careful not to drop their guard on risk if relief at
surviving the most challenging circumstances in many
decades gives way, as it may, to excessive confidence that
their institutions are now invulnerable.

''Memento mori, the accompanying slave's reminder to
victorious Roman generals, may need a prudential
regulator's counterpart.''

http://www.theage.com.au/business/banks-warned-to-keep-up-their-guard-20091120-iqy0.html

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WALIAC - The old suit thing -- morbius, 02:36:52 11/21/09 Sat
I hate it. Any analysis that neglects the ratio of gold to suits (and everything else in the world for sale) ain't worth a damn, IMO.

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the story that just won't go away .. Scientology's dark secrets .. -- Delta-au (), 02:31:24 11/21/09 Sat
BARNEY ZWARTZ
November 20, 2009
Senator Nick Xenophon's stunning attack on the Church of Scientology this week has shone a light on a worldwide group many former members accuse of ruining their lives through fear and abuse. SCIENTOLOGISTS lured Dean Detheridge off the street using their tried and tested technique of offering a personality test. He wasn't much interested, but they were extremely skilled and persistent persuaders, and he found he couldn't say no. Seven days later he was on staff in what turned out to be a very full-time job.

Although he rose to executive director of the Canberra branch, Detheridge was always below the poverty line. He worked 15-hour days for the Church of Scientology, plus another three hours in the early morning as a cleaner to feed his family. Days off were rare. He told The Age how he learnt to lie, bully, intimidate and humiliate people and particularly to extort money in service of the church and its ostensible aim, the greatest good of the greatest number. Now he calls it ''a crock of shit''.

http://www.watoday.com.au/national/scientologys-dark-secrets-20091120-iqyn.html
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Tyranny is their real goal ... destroy all the scum tyrants ... free tobacco !!! -- mozel (), 02:24:10 11/21/09 Sat
America has invented a new crime against humanity: the deliberate use of scientific fraud to wage a war of cultural genocide against its citizens.
http://www.smokershistory.com/

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mudturtle -- WALIAC, 01:28:20 11/21/09 Sat

There's the old standard ratio of an ounce of gold to the price of a good suit. I don't know where that stands today as I bought my last suit sometime ago, But either way, what if you don't need suits or cars?

I know just what you're feeling regarding throwing off the harness. The parasites suck out your energy to where you'd rather die than let them continue riding for free.

Giving these people sustenance is feeding the monster that will eat our kids. How fucked up is that?

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-- -- Winston, 01:26:14 11/21/09 Sat
add to Mikikis 00:11--

Dr. Niman also said:
"Most discussions of receptor binding domain changes use H3 numbering, but there is also H5 numbering and H1 numbering. WHO and the CDC want to get as far away from H3 numbering as possible because studies of the 1918 virus receptor binding domain used H3 numbering and D225G changed the specificity, which is why the virus targets the lung, just like 1918. Thus, all references to D225G in the NY Times has been edited out, as has cytokine storm. This is WHO and CDC warning the NY Times NOT to create panic (either directly or indirectly). Message management is a high priority, but the cat is now out of the bag (or the toothpaste is out of the tube, and getting it back in is next to impossible).
WHO and CDC spin mode will remain in high gear.

http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3206&start=70

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I sent the fabulous Senator a fuck off note -- mudturtle (more laws KMA), 01:22:46 11/21/09 Sat
The cost to Americans is not merely financial. Internet tobacco sales have been used by terrorist and organized crime groups to raise millions of dollars to support their illicit activities. Hezbollah is estimated to have earned $1.5 million between 1996 and 2000 through tobacco smuggling. The 9/11 Commission noted that terrorists often raise money by trafficking in counterfeit goods, such as cigarettes. We can no longer continue to let terrorist organizations exploit the weaknesses in our tobacco laws to their advantage.

The Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act will:

· Strengthen reporting requirements for interstate cigarette sellers.

· Increase the criminal penalty from a misdemeanor to a felony and create a substantial civil penalty for
violations, including violations of the reporting requirements and state tobacco tax laws.

· Grant federal and state law enforcement officials more power to investigate and prosecute violators.

· Prohibit the United States Postal Service from delivering tobacco products

The common sense approach taken in the PACT Act to combat this problem has brought together a strong coalition of supporters. The legislation has the backing of the law enforcement community, numerous public health advocates, and tobacco companies. I am encouraged by the Judiciary Committee’s vote and am optimistic that we can work together to pass this bill.
+++++++++++++
I told his staffer that their breathless warnings of terrist bugaboo is wearing thin.

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Now that the price of using offshore bank accounts to hide money -- mozel, 01:10:45 11/21/09 Sat
has risen steeply, people will turn to other alternatives. Maybe they will invent new ones. It will be more difficult than ever to invest in financial assets secretly so as to earn a return. Other forms of wealth may be the beneficiary, such as jewels, art, collectibles, and metals. These can pass from hand to hand, in some cases without the knowledge of authorities.

The invasion of Swiss banking privacy means that the costs of keeping wealth secret, private, and secure have risen. Instead of flowing into productive channels, more wealth will be locked up in ways that otherwise would not have been chosen.

Ganging up on Switzerland is ganging up on the common person who never dreamed of having a Swiss bank account and who may be thinking that tax cheats get what they deserve. It is doubtful that the average person thinks of the matter in this way. Chains meant for him are being forged before his eyes, and he does not realize it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff321.html

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jU$t checked out$ide -- Gila_Bob, 01:03:47 11/21/09 Sat
Friends:

The Whirled ain't Ended Yet
Buttttttttttttttttttt
U can hear the Whining
Of the $old-0ut Bull$
All the weigh out here in GOLDen

They want their "country" Back
With N0 representation AT ALL
For those of thee "other" Per$ua$i0n

Hilari0U$

Well.................g00d luck with That
Start the Revolution Now

Lemme know when ya get past yer Fr0nt d00r
LOL

Big Bob
(Yessirree we'll jU$t have A Committee of The Better$
Ta Run the Place.............Shit
Wee gott a beejilli0n V0lun-Tear$ Right Her....Right Now

And we'll ONLY Tax the p00r

A Song for thee Local CONstabulary
From Bitter Daze

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZoHzFDaI8

The End of the Whirled........Whatta Crock
G0 sea the Movie)

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MPAA Says Copyright-Treaty Critics Hate Hollywood -- doran (), 00:59:39 11/21/09 Sat
If you don’t back a copyright treaty being negotiated in secret, you must want to destroy Hollywood, its blockbuster movies and all the jobs they create.

At least that’s the message from the Motion Picture Association of America.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/11/mpaa-acta-letter/

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Total Collapse would be more than financial ... -- mozel, 00:59:38 11/21/09 Sat
breaking news on WHO
releasing gene sequence mutation in H1N1. If H1N1 mutates, vaccines are
supposed to be obsolete, aren't they ?
The rapidly-weaving threads of the New World Order
Consolidation of military dominance
Pentagon rapidly pursuing global dominance via space weapons
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4835966027154828456&hl=en
#
This is an excellent documentary, narrated by Bruce Gagnon, with
interviews with Noam Chomsky and others. It covers the whole history of
the space program, its origin with Nazi scientists, the dangers of
plutonium in space, the latest strategies and weapons, etc.
The most important thing to keep in mind is the intent behind these
programs. They are designed to permit any target on Earth, of whatever
size, to be demolished with precision and without warning by pushing a
button on a computer in some command center. And they are designed to
enable a first-strike nuclear attack on Russia and China.
These weapons have no relevance to defense, their only purpose is attack
and domination. From a single command center armies could be wiped out,
fleets sunk, rebellious towns obliterated, unauthorized crowds sprayed
with lasers, or whatever. Push-button global tyranny. This too is part
of the New World Order.
Population reduction – all the ducks are in a row
The development of the NWO has been underway for decades, and it is with
some hesitation that I (the author, not mozel) declare now to be a special emergency, the onset
of the final endgame. I overcome this hesitation because of the overall
picture, re/ the Swine flu scam. There is a clock ticking on this
thread: either a real pandemic emerges within the next couple of months,
or the whole operation comes to nothing. I believe that too many
arrangements have been made, too many ducks lined up, for that to be the
outcome.
In addition, we must keep in mind the Shock Doctrine – which
Kissinger and others have essentially declared to be in operation –
which says it's better to go for the whole enchilada, pull out all the
stops, while everyone is off balance from financial collapse.
Among the ducks, we have global preparation for mass vaccinations, no
control over what might be in any given batch of vaccines, preparation
by media to expect a deadly pandemic, a WHO declaration of global
emergency authorizing forced vaccinations and quarantines, earlier
surveys by FEMA to locate mass burial sites, a declaration of national
emergency in the US, enabling at any time marital law, forced
relocations, shutdown of communications and travel, and the turnover of
government to Homeland Security. This level of official global emergency
preparation is unprecedented, and it is totally out of proportion to
H1N1, a very mild version of flu.
These are the reasons why I sense that the time is nigh for a mass
bio-weapons assault on populations. The conditions have been established
to enable such an assault, and the same NWO financial-mafia masters who
brought us the economic collapse, who managed the bailouts, and who
control the media, the WHO, and Washington, have made it clear that
depopulation is one of their central objectives. Here are two relevant
items from newslog:
Overview of eugenics projects, William Engdahl
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/8b79b2d9b0781498?hl=en

David Rockefeller speaks about population control (video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8&feature=related

We now know the nature of the pathogen that has been genetically
concocted for use in this bio-assault. It's a viral combination of H1N1
and parainfluenza, it's aggressive and deadly, and it very rapidly
causes hemorrhaging and total destruction of the lungs. It is not a
mutation of H1N1, rather it is a separate but related concoction. These
characteristics have been confirmed, in varying degrees, by a number of
sources:
Russian source: Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying!
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/998d1d919fed1262?hl=en

Global Research re/ Ukraine Flu Outbreak
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/a71957a429266513?hl=en

NY Times spin on Ukraine outbreak
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/33c8d55e65de04a0?hl=en

UK spin on Ukraine pathogen
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/t/8defbd54d6bb2c42?hl=en

WHO says it's just H1N1
http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/browse_thread/thread/9983d3bb1236\
c138
6c138> #
While parainfluenza is not normally a big deal,
in immuno-suppressed people, such as transplant patients, parainfluenza
virus infections can cause severe pneumonia, which is often fatal.
With this background information, the two-step genocide protocol becomes
rather clear:
First, suppress the immune system of the entire population with an
initial batch of vaccines.
Second, finish off the target populations with an H1N1-parainfluenza
cocktail, selectively distributed in special batches of the second round
of vaccines.
There is an important whistleblower incident, in this regard, that
everyone should be aware of:
Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist):
"Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon"
http://www.unfictional.com/joseph-moshe-mossad-bioweapon-swine-flu-vacci\
ne-westwood
ine-westwood>
The cull will be selective, because eugenics is just as important to to
these demonic overlords as is gross population reduction. That's why the
recent weapons test in the Ukraine was so important. They wanted to
confirm the lethality of the pathogen in the field, and equally
important they wanted to verify that it wouldn't spread wildly from the
test area, where the pathogen was evidently distributed by aerial
spraying. In a pathogen-based genocide project, it is important to
assure both lethality and localization.
In such a selective genocide operation, martial law, and a close-down of
all communications, are of critical importance. The zones scheduled for
genocide, and the zones scheduled for survival, must be kept insulated
from one another. There will be clean-up operations, to kill off those
who didn't succumb to the virus, and that kind of news needs to be
blocked from media and bloggers alike.

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“informed consent” -- mozel (), 00:49:59 11/21/09 Sat
HOW could anyone who has NOT read the below VACCINE PACKAGE INSERTS give their “informed consent” to be VACCINATED?

http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/pi_h1n1.asp

IF they did READ them, HOW MANY would still CONSENT to be
VACCINATED?

CONSENT. A concurrence of wills. Empress consent is that directly given,
either viva voce or in writing.

Implied consent is that manifested by signs, actions, or facts, or by
inaction or silence, which raise a presumption that the consent has been
given. Cowen v. Paddock, 62 Hun, 622, 17 N. Y. Supp. 388.

Consent in an act of reason, accompanied with deliberation, the mind
weighing as in a balance the good or evil on each side. 1 Story, Eq. Jur. §
222 ; Plummer v. Corn., 1 Bush (Ky.) 76; Dicken v. Johnson, 7 Ga. 492;
Mactier v. Frith, 6 Wend. (N. Y.) 114, 21 Am. Dec. 262 ; People v. Studwell,
91 App. Div. 469, 86 N. Y. Supp. 967.

There is a difference between consenting and submitting. Every consent
involves a submission; but a mere submission does not necessarrily involve
consent. 9 Car. & P. 722.

BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY, 2ND EDITION, page 249

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Levin's 'Sacrifice Tax' -- mercury, 00:46:18 11/21/09 Sat
sign me up!

Those Michigan democrats have a proven record of success!

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That's my bet and I see no reason to change it -- mudturtle, 00:40:37 11/21/09 Sat
wow, Earl, that's quite an admission. I am as conflicted as you are. My assumptions are a total collapse as I see no evidence that they will do anything before racing off of the brink. I get my tinfoil hat from my absolute belief that the PTB know exactly what they are doing. I blathered on that for years nut the 9/11 thing was just too much.
The talk on the glod bars with fissures is yet another red herring to prove to the hoi-polloi that if sophisticated central banks can be taken for the ride by low life counterfeiters, the average buyer of gold coin can expect the same.
Meanwhile, my gombit overseers are going to increase taxes and fees on me to cover their economy killing ideas.

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doran - Blair - But,,,but....didn't he just convert to Catholic? -- morbius, 00:34:25 11/21/09 Sat
He's had his soul sandpapered. What does he have to worry about?

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Zionist Control ... ZOG in Britain 1940-2009 -- mozel, 00:34:20 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.rebelnews.org/opinion/middle-east/106151-zionist-control-of-britains-government-1940-2009

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The_Vet - Well I donno about what silver might be in an ETF -- morbius, 00:31:47 11/21/09 Sat
But in every city in every state there are coin shops that have a clientele that tend to aggregate PMs (that Butler doesn't know about). Remember Ted Binion?

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Blair -- doran, 00:29:44 11/21/09 Sat
Tony Blair looks haunted, but with new claims that he was behind torture and war lies he's got a lot to be haunted by

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1229692/PETER-OBORNE-He-looks-haunted-new-claims-torture-war-lies-hes-got-lot-haunted-by.html#ixzz0XT8XxGPq

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SLV - 9116.04 tonnes of sludge -- The_Vet, 00:27:11 11/21/09 Sat
and the premium of the stock price over the NAV was at 2.13% so the accululation is likely to continue next week.

http://us.ishares.com/product_info/fund/overview/SLV.htm
Add in another 9.19 million ounces in SIVR and there is over 300 million ounces in the US ETFs, probably more than Butler assured us even exists above ground....

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mudturtle -- morbius, 00:26:02 11/21/09 Sat
It's only going to take someone with a lotta money and big balls. The banksters are naked with their trousers down around their knees.....

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My wall of worry is taller than sing-sing. ..... mudster -- Earl, 00:25:48 11/21/09 Sat
List your feel more good options? ....... those that do not include mayhem.

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Twilight Zone / Mourning uprooted olive trees in West Bank villages By Gideon Levy -- doran, 00:22:31 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1129358.html

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Why do Israelis dislike Barack Obama? -- doran, 00:21:19 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1125324.html

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From Jesse's cafe -- mudturtle, 00:19:01 11/21/09 Sat
Gold is performing an 'in your face' breakout and holding its gains into an option expiry next week which is wildly bullish. The target on the weekly is 1240ish, and one has to wonder if there will be enough of a pullback to allow the bears to cover their shorts before they are taken out on stretchers. It will take a severe correction in stocks to do it I suspect. But let's see.
-------------------------------------
the folks on CNBS site of post close pointed out the failed slams on GCZ09 and suggest that a short squeeze is very possible. My problem is that I have been in this far longer than the newbies that are looking for yet another ramp job and I expect us to get killed. My wall of worry is taller than sing-sing.

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It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse ......... mudster -- Earl, 00:15:41 11/21/09 Sat
Now yer tawkin'. That's my bet and I see no reason to change it ...... mostly cuz the same bet is likely to cover more than one outcome.

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Tina Fey Does Sarah Palin At Ad Council Dinner (VIDEO) -- doran, 00:15:29 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/tina-fey-does-sarah-palin_n_366010.html

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Levi Johnston's mother gets 3 years in drug case -- doran, 00:14:06 11/21/09 Sat
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/palin-booed-by-book-tour_n_365883.html

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Palin Booed By Book Tour Crowd -- doran, 00:11:58 11/21/09 Sat
The angry crowd turned on Palin as she returned to her "Going Rogue" tour bus. Video below shows people booing and shouting at the bus, and shouting "Sign our books Sarah!" as the engine revved up and Palin departed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/20/palin-booed-by-book-tour_n_365883.html

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Friday night doom from the lips of Dr. Niman -- Mikikis, 00:11:35 11/21/09 Sat
"Two Shoes Dropping:
Many had asked why the WHO was dragging its feet on Ukraine and I had said they had two major problems. One was "mutation" and the other was Tamiflu resistance and both were happening when deaths were climbing and vaccine was is short supply. Therefore, they would try to keep those two shoes from dropping for as long as possible.

Now both shoes have dropped. The D225G in Ukraine was disclosed, followed by Norway, so the "mutation" shoe has dropped, and now the clsuters of Tamiflu resistance in the UK and NC have come out, so the other shoe has dropped.

Most of the world is as lost as ever. Media hasn't yet figured out that the same "mutation" is in Ukraine and Norway (and worldwide), and they also haven't figured out that the cat was out of the bag on Tamiflu resistance.

In both cases, agencies are still trying to spin "spontaneous mutation" and lack of spread, but those dogs won't hunt.

A vaccine panic is next, followed by real panic."

http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3206

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Bankruptcy reduces prices. Gold cannot go bankrupt. -- mozel, 00:08:12 11/21/09 Sat
Factor those facts into the mudturtle's mud dimmed forward views.

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@ SAND War ... -- MoreGold (), 00:00:56 11/21/09 Sat

Pay, My Biatches ...

High-Income Tax May Be Needed for Afghan War Cost, Levin Says

By Viola Gienger

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Carl Levin, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said higher-income Americans should be taxed to pay for additional troops sent to Afghanistan and that NATO should provide half of the new soldiers.

An “additional income tax to the upper brackets, folks earning more than $200,000 or $250,000,” could fund more troops, Levin, a Michigan Democrat, said in an interview for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. White House Budget Director Peter Orszag has estimated that each additional soldier in Afghanistan could cost $1 million, for a total that could reach $40 billion if 40,000 more troops are added.

That cost, Levin said, should be paid by wealthier taxpayers. “They have done incredibly well, and I think that it’s important that we pay for it if we possibly can” instead of increasing the federal debt load, the senator said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aI4IdHYuAl94

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America is more alive today than in years, -- mozel, 23:58:35 11/20/09 Fri
even with all the unemployment morbidity. In America, these are almost always times that try men's souls.

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WALIAC, 23:06 -- mudturtle, 23:58:31 11/20/09 Fri
It is so easy to have hatred for the filth that "govern" us. (read, milk and render us)
I see nothing ahead other than our sacrifice to them. Pardon me for my lost enthusiasm for working toward their goals. All that I ever read from them is a thicket of lies. It is a real drag on my productivity to sift through their lies and find some tenuous position that allows me to lose less than the great losses if I took the liars at their word.
The next wave down in housing real estate is kicking in. I posted that chart many times that shows when the sub-prime defaults tail off(now) and the Alt-A garbage kicks in.(now)
The PTB did this on purpose on a dumbed down populace of sheep. The big show of currency adjustment is yet to come.
Anyone that asks me how to invest for the near term gets my standard harangue on buying non perishable foods if they don't care to see the little lady stand in line with gangbangers for inedible surplus cheese. I ask my wife how she thinks she would do in that situation. That gets her to buy a couple of boxes of "Hamburger Helper".
Do it yourself and do not wait for the wife to come up with a never to be implemented plan. Buy some more cheap stuff to help out those that you think are worthy.
The banking system will not make it through the next year as their losses have already wiped out their capital. That goes too for the insurance companies that OD'd on the worthless paper of the securitizers. The idiots on the gold sites that harp on price inflation and gold as an antidote are too stupid to live.
Go take a look at how many ounces it takes to buy a car or a house. It will never be cheaper unless one is betting on a total collapse. I did some calculator arithmetic and found that one can buy a decent car for a pound of gold. Someone should do a price analysis of a well equipped basic car in ounces of glod. I am certain that there has never been anything like this.

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Did Hitler Inspire the U.S. Post-9/11 Tribunal System? -- doran, 23:53:32 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.opednews.com/populum/linkframe.php?linkid=101657

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A message from Senator Kohl in my spambox. -- mudturtle -- oilboiler, 23:51:55 11/20/09 Fri
Those in the lower rungs of the ladder who still smoke are rolling their own rather than be ruined by the new taxes. This is a mail order business.

This is nothing more than a measure to drive these people into further poverty, a penalty for not obeying the state.

As long as the Goldman lobbyists do not object, it will pass.

http://www.smokersoutletonline.com/

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"SA gold mines dying- mineweb -- mugwump " -- johnny, 23:50:13 11/20/09 Fri
this is making me all weepy .. deep mining gold is a shitty
way to make a living .. the grade is worn out .. mugwumps
baloney has nothing to do with it.
we have lots of other metals and are changing into a better
balanced economy .. we even make armaments to kill people
.. following the lead of the USSA

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You people are depressing me -- Earl, 23:47:51 11/20/09 Fri
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America -- mercury, 23:37:29 11/20/09 Fri
Died young but left a beautiful corpse.

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You are either an anecdote or a statistic. -- mozel, 23:32:45 11/20/09 Fri
The difference is, statistics comply.

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Lump of Kohl -- WALIAC, 23:06:32 11/20/09 Fri

Wait 'til these parasites start whining about their loss of revenue because people are bartering for food. What part of the patriot act covers that?

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hey doran, you ever noticed how those alternet articles -- mercury, 23:06:28 11/20/09 Fri
are full of lurid sensationalist anecdotes, but never seem able to compare a series of actual statistics or background data regarding subject matter?

nah, me neither...

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americans oppose healthcare reform -- mugwump, 21:07 -- mudturtle, 23:05:38 11/20/09 Fri
Nah, Merkins are primed for "healthcare" reform. We need freedom from ant mandated benefits and all mandates from the goos.
What floors me is that hospitals and doctors charge nearly double for cash paying customers. When that is the case there can be no argument that this crap is not free enterprise in any case. The fascists in congreff are just trying to make this horrid situation permanent.

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... zzzzzzzzzz's .... -- BWP, 23:03:50 11/20/09 Fri
.

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@ wanna open up a bank together? -- BWP, 23:02:31 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, I want an executive bonus bigger than the revenue of France and a coupla manicurists ... otherwise, my crazy cousin Harry is lookin' fer work after they fired him for clubbin' baby seals wif an empty safety deposit box ...

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ok, now the short term high wore off, and i feel kinda bad -- mercury, 22:58:37 11/20/09 Fri
bout making fun of detroit.

too easy a target.

next time i'll pick on Carthage.

at least they had a real enemy worthy of examination...

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Why Is Congress Demonizing an Investigation of Israel's War Crimes in Gaza? By Bill Moyers -- doran, 22:58:25 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.alternet.org/world/144022/why_is_congress_demonizing_an_investigation_of_israel%27s_war_crimes_in_gaza

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Economic Crisis Is Getting Bloody -- doran, 22:56:36 11/20/09 Fri
Deaths Are Now Following Evictions, Foreclosures and Job Losses
http://www.alternet.org/rights/143990/economic_crisis_is_getting_bloody_--_violent_deaths_are_now_following_evictions%2C_foreclosures_and_job_losses

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wanna open up a bank together? -- mercury, 22:55:07 11/20/09 Fri
if u got the 5$, i could prolly scrounge up a teller's cage somewhere...

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Honduras regime seeks to disarm citizens ahead of polls -- doran, 22:54:29 11/20/09 Fri
The Honduran de facto regime on Friday ordered citizens to turn in their weapons in a bid to avert violence around disputed presidential elections to be held at the end of the month.
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Honduras_regime_seeks_to_disarm_cit_11202009.html

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@ They will never let up on us until the last serf is dead -- BWP, 22:53:15 11/20/09 Fri
... ya want they should do the heavy liftin' themselves? ... shame on ya fer bad-mouthin' our elite ...

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... gimme summa dat ol' time brewski ... -- BWP, 22:50:56 11/20/09 Fri
"To slake his thirst, each laborer on the pyramids got a daily beer allotment of 1 1/3 gallons. Everyone partied at the annual celebration of the Drunkenness of Hathor, goddess of fertility, motherhood and the Milky Way. "

... yeah, that's the way ta party, I tell ya ... and the biggest fuckin' pyramid is still bankruptin' us .... let the beer flow ...

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everyone just stay home! -- BWP -- Rack, 22:43:45 11/20/09 Fri
Ya lets roll!
BTW Elvis is alive and doing fine.

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A message from Senator Kohl in my spambox. -- mudturtle, 22:43:22 11/20/09 Fri
"Cigarette trafficking has become a highly profitable revenue source for criminal and terrorist organizations like Hezbollah, al Qaeda and Hamas. Money is often raised in the United States, then funneled back to these international terrorist groups. Cigarette smuggling is a multibillion dollar phenomenon and getting worse. To counter this trend, I introduced the Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking (PACT) Act of 2009 which recently passed the Senate Judiciary Committee. It provides law enforcement essential resources to crack down on black market tobacco ventures."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
maybe he is pissed that he doesn't get tax from Canuckian enyuns that sell butts for a quarter of the price of centgoo approved vendors.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I have nothing but gut level hatred for any gombit function of any type. They will never let up on us until the last serf is dead and they have nothing left to parasitise.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now that most decent people are becoming immune to the epithets of the parasite class; calling us rascists, they now are doing the lame hole card of "supporting terrizm".
Fuck you.

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... be my bunny ... -- BWP, 22:41:49 11/20/09 Fri
"Playboy Wants Partners to Make Brand Bigger Over Next Decade, Hefner Says"

... yeah, do a photo spread of Nekkid Homeless Chicks ...

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@ everyone just stay home! -- BWP, 22:35:23 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, yer gonna do it soon anyway from lack o' jobs ... then they gonna toss ya outta yer house .... may as well just take it ta the streets ....

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... and we gonna pump ya up .... -- BWP, 22:32:50 11/20/09 Fri
"Kennett, Missouri (CNN) -- A woman accused of cutting in line at a Wal-Mart, shoving merchandise and assaulting police officers will plead guilty to disturbing the peace and resisting arrest, both misdemeanors."

... me, I woulda tasered her 'til her dentures popped out ... cop wimps ... put Arnie in uniform ...

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How about we do something? -- Rack, 22:32:39 11/20/09 Fri
I would love to see a national strike, everyone just stay home!
Another pipe dream. Time is sure short.

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Mudturtle- How about both huckleberry and Clinton -- lonestar, 22:27:54 11/20/09 Fri
both being from some place called Hope, Ark. (pop.785?)

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... so long, it's been good ta know ya .... -- BWP, 22:23:45 11/20/09 Fri
"Small Florida bank shuttered, 124th this year- AP"

... yeah, the Bank of Ralph has gone tits up ... seems like all ya need ta open a bank inna USA is five bucks and a teller's cage ... easy come, easy go ...

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Earl - That's true -- WALIAC, 22:21:53 11/20/09 Fri

And I also think it works the other way around in a rather perverse sort of way: The political mind thinks no further about any of these problems than 'not on my watch' and hence we only worsen the situation. I wish we'd get the inevitable rolling...

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@ Sooner or later we gata go ta ground anyway. -- BWP, 22:19:15 11/20/09 Fri
.. me, I'm already covered in dirt ... went ta ground when the greeter at Wal-Mart asked me fer munny ....

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... thar she blew ... -- BWP, 22:16:21 11/20/09 Fri
"CBC: Canadian Bankruptcies soar 43%"

... yeah, harpoonin' whales as a business model is gettin' tougher ... get ready fer an avalance of blubber auctions on eBay ...

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If you thought Nixon was bad... -- WALIAC -- Earl, 22:15:58 11/20/09 Fri
Sooner or later we gata go ta ground anyway. It matters less and less who happens to be chief warden at the time.

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Now, if you will tolerate a Christer that does have something to say, -- mudturtle (Will Grigg), 22:14:46 11/20/09 Fri
Brotherhood of Plunder: Snapshots of America's Criminal Oligarchy
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/11/brotherhood-of-plunder-snapshots-of.html
++
Grigg gives another example of the heroic cops with some commentary on their crushing burden on what's left of civil society.

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If you thought Nixon was bad... -- WALIAC, 22:13:43 11/20/09 Fri

Just wait until Obama closes the tungsten window.

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A note of gratitude -- Earl, 22:13:42 11/20/09 Fri
Dear Pine Street Elementary:
God bless you for the beautiful radio I won at your recent senior citizens luncheon. I am 84 years old and live at the Rosecrest Retirement Home. All of my family has passed away. I am all alone now and it's nice to know that someone is thinking of me.
God bless you for your kindness to an old forgotten lady.
My roommate is 95 and has always had her own radio, but before I received one, she would never let me listen to hers, even when she was napping. The other day her radio fell off the nightstand and broke into a lot of pieces. It was awful and she was in tears.
Her distress over the broken radio touched me and I knew this was God's way of answering my prayers.
She asked if she could listen to mine, and I told her to kiss my ass.
Thank you for that opportunity.
Sincerely,
Agnes Baker

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Anyone work out the numbers? -- mercury, 22:09:12 11/20/09 Fri
What price must copper rise to before Michigan is again economic?

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Detroit probably supports 35% of the population, or more -- mercury, 22:08:50 11/20/09 Fri
on food stamps, welfare, etc.

I imagine the city would encourage suicide, except they can't afford to bury their dead anymore:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6926247.ece

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line up -- WALIAC, 22:07:19 11/20/09 Fri

Then they really shouldn't have any complaints on Wednesday anyway.

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Why can't it be Tuesday anyway? ..... WALIAC -- Earl, 22:07:12 11/20/09 Fri

Because Tuesdays are reserved for gold share reversals, that's why. ...... turnaround tuesday, it's called. There's a new one every week

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The perfect solution -- Earl -- mudturtle, 22:07:09 11/20/09 Fri
The local radio station has a very good small "L" libertarian that runs a radio show from local time 2:00-6:00 PM. For some reason unknown to me or the radio host they clog his program with a syndicated few minutes of that asshole ex-preacher/presidential candidate from Arkansas. When the guy isn't doing treacle he pumps his book tour. (Yeah, I recall now, It is Mike Huckabee)
Huckabee is running for Prez by way of the back door of doing some ghostwritten shit book and trying to emulate Paul Harvey on the radio stations that put his crap on.
Mike Huckabee was ever so approving of the notion of we plebes/serfs keeping still in the face of the Glorious Theft that guts us.
Just who finances this guy and gets his worthless thoughts into print?

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RIP is the ass of this board -- WALIAC, 22:05:08 11/20/09 Fri

Whew! Now I don't have to sweat that honor.

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@ Why can't it be Tuesday anyway? -- BWP, 22:04:05 11/20/09 Fri
... Tuesday is when everybody lines up fer food stamps ....

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Complaint Free Wednesday -- WALIAC, 22:02:32 11/20/09 Fri

I don't know...I don't like it. Why can't it be Tuesday anyway?

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@ Livin on the street in The Greatest Country In The World -- BWP, 21:59:08 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, Elvis gotta be turnin' in his grave wif all this shit goin' down ... GOD BLESS 'MERKA! .... it had ta end sometime ...

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is better than living in a Palace in Arabia. USA #1...Ugh....Ugh.....Ugh.. -- Earl, 21:57:09 11/20/09 Fri

"But, wait! ....... there's more! (to come)"

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... standin' pat inna face o' doom ... ... -- BWP, 21:56:55 11/20/09 Fri
"Rather than turning off the stimulus taps or pouring more fuel on the economic fire, Ottawa will stand pat with the $61 billion in stimulus spending announced in January, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says."

... yeah, $61 Billion ... ya couldn't even stimulate a horny gerbil wif that ... cough up the munny, Jimmy ...

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BWP - Yep. Livin on the street in The Greatest Country In The World -- morbius, 21:52:15 11/20/09 Fri
is better than living in a Palace in Arabia. USA #1...Ugh....Ugh.....Ugh....

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@ Complaint Free Wednesday -- BWP, 21:48:51 11/20/09 Fri
... yeah, stop complainin' 'bout livin' onna streets after they took yer home, car 'n job away ... feckin' whiners should be kicked outta the US of A ... FREE MANDELA! ... smo-o-o-o-kin' ...

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The perfect solution -- Earl, 21:44:37 11/20/09 Fri

Democratic Lawmaker to Americans: Stop Complaining

by

FOXNews.com

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri is seeking to pass a resolution that would officially make the day before Thanksgiving "Complaint Free Wednesday."

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... where's my guru ? -- BWP, 21:44:28 11/20/09 Fri
"IMF's Lipsky Sees Sluggish Global Economic Recovery"

... yeah, another upper echelon type figgers it out ... boy, are these guys slow ... seems they recruit 'em from the University of Rhetorical Irrelevance ...

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... deranged sniffles ... -- BWP, 21:38:39 11/20/09 Fri
"Bloomberg: Swine Flu Cases in Europe Show Mutation, Resistance to Tamiflu Treatment"

... yeah, mutation ... new life form ... hope it takes over the gold shorts 'n makes 'em suffer ... pod people, alla dem ...

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Gone -- RIP, 21:34:49 11/20/09 Fri
I'm exhausted from talking Lloyd into buying more gold.

Chinaman best start carrying his weight.

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... they got the dollar totally controlled 'n range bound .... -- BWP, 21:34:21 11/20/09 Fri
... and that's why gold has slipped through their slimey fingers and takin' off ... the vampire squids dropped the ball ... we all gonna die but we'll be rich ....

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... rags ta riches .... -- BWP, 21:31:27 11/20/09 Fri
"Victoria's Secret Hopes to Rekindle Desire for Lingerie"

... yeah. I'm kindled ... bring out the babes in them undies ...

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SA gold mines dying- mineweb -- mugwump -- Earl, 21:25:01 11/20/09 Fri
A truly sad state of affairs.

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qatar- sutton -- mugwump, 21:22:52 11/20/09 Fri
What makes a place like Qatar such an obvious choice for foreign direct investment is the fact that the government has 8 consecutive years of budget surpluses. The citizens are extremely productive in terms of per capita GDP. There is no income tax, which results in lower societal debt burdens. Qatar’s external debt obligations are $55.79 Billion as of 12/08, which translates to 55% of GDP. While 55% is rather high, compare it to the over 90% here in the US. Furthermore, Qatar is unencumbered by unfunded future liabilities. Strategically, Qatar is in an excellent position as the vast majority of its national wealth comes from its natural gas reserves. The country also has approximately 15 billion barrels of crude oil in reserve according to the IEA. Perhaps more importantly, Qatar is positioning itself for the inevitable time when its income from energy exports dwindles. These are clearly carefully calculated long-term moves. The debt growth is disturbing, but at least for now, the borrowings are being put to productive uses. Time will tell if Qatar maintains fiscal discipline or opts for the same path as many Western nations

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Annabel Lee -- Nuclearson, 21:21:40 11/20/09 Fri
It was many and many a year ago,
In a kingdom by the sea,
That a maiden there lived whom you may know
By the name of ANNABEL LEE;
And this maiden she lived with no other thought
Than to love and be loved by me.

I was a child and she was a child,
In this kingdom by the sea;
But we loved with a love that was more than love-
I and my Annabel Lee;
With a love that the winged seraphs of heaven
Coveted her and me.

And this was the reason that, long ago,
In this kingdom by the sea,
A wind blew out of a cloud, chilling
My beautiful Annabel Lee;
So that her highborn kinsman came
And bore her away from me,
To shut her up in a sepulchre
In this kingdom by the sea.

The angels, not half so happy in heaven,
Went envying her and me-
Yes!- that was the reason (as all men know,
In this kingdom by the sea)
That the wind came out of the cloud by night,
Chilling and killing my Annabel Lee.

But our love it was stronger by far than the love
Of those who were older than we-
Of many far wiser than we-
And neither the angels in heaven above,
Nor the demons down under the sea,
Can ever dissever my soul from the soul
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee.

For the moon never beams without bringing me dreams
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And the stars never rise but I feel the bright eyes
Of the beautiful Annabel Lee;
And so, all the night-tide, I lie down by the side
Of my darling- my darling- my life and my bride,
In the sepulchre there by the sea,
In her tomb by the sounding sea.

Edgar Allan Poe

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poster claims erhe has discovered over 3 trillion cu feet of NG -- mugwump, 21:19:02 11/20/09 Fri
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=43802669

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will china increase gold reserves?? -- mugwump, 21:14:56 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.miningmx.com/news/gold_and_silver/China-may-spur-gold-price-further.htm

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ipt net $750,000- cash flow over $2 million -- mugwump, 21:12:49 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/WireFeedRedirect?cf=GlobeInvestor/config&vg=BigAdVariableGenerator&date=20091120&archive=tnw&slug=9223

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roxmark gets sucked up by ontex -- mugwump, 21:09:59 11/20/09 Fri
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26116188

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Gold priced in DXY components -- Kip, 21:09:35 11/20/09 Fri

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americans oppose healthcare reform -- mugwump, 21:07:48 11/20/09 Fri
obama and pelosi don't care
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/20/fox-news-poll-upside-health-care-reforms/

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mercury .. -- Delta-au, 21:07:14 11/20/09 Fri
there's several companies here that specialize in house moves ..
Not a big deal around our state, AFTER the permits are done ..

bbl ..

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The Vampire Squid vs. the Sperm Whale -- RIP, 21:05:02 11/20/09 Fri
Robo's always good for a laugh....even if Carmack's jockeys are too tight.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/vampire-squid-vs-sperm-whale

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SA gold mines dying- mineweb -- mugwump, 21:00:54 11/20/09 Fri
Beyond the swamp gases of politics, and in the realms of practicality, South Africa's gold mines are in deep trouble, right now, despite record dollar gold bullion prices. The strong rand, supported by one of the world's highest domestic interest rates, is just one problem. The bigger amorphous problem is government's absolute determination to intensify its interventions in the mining sector, be it by so-called black economic empowerment, by employment "equity", by race-linked procurement rules, by new-fangled royalties, by administered monopoly cost input increases (such as for electricity), by the habit of closing entire mines after an accident, by massive and rising security costs, and so on.

Gold mines are effectively already nationalised. Figures in the public domain show that the private sector, here and abroad, is effectively subsidizing domestic gold mines, in the hope that something, anything will improve.

This applies even to the domestic operations of South Africa's top three gold diggers, each a member of the elite global Tier I gold producer league, in the form of AngloGold Ashanti, Gold Fields, and Harmony. AngloGold Ashanti is the least South African, in terms of operating assets; Gold Fields holds a useful offshore portfolio, while Harmony is on the way to commissioning a big decent mine in Papua New Guinea. But even after accounting for the "hedge" of non-South African assets, the Big Three are struggling. Since the start of 2007, the three have generated negative free cash flow of US$2.2bn.

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RIP -- Carmack, 21:00:38 11/20/09 Fri
Yeah your wife was not supposed to talk !!!!

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- Nuclearson -- Carmack, 20:59:24 11/20/09 Fri
Fuck head Ripley is incapable of understanding if you speak to him metaphorically !

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Carmack -- RIP, 20:58:14 11/20/09 Fri
You would not have said that last night.
lol

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Rip -- Carmack, 20:56:41 11/20/09 Fri
"You don't understand them."

Maybe you and Della could get together and both go fuck yourself !!!!

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international wayside still ripping investors off -- mugwump, 20:55:52 11/20/09 Fri
http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=26116434

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SPY priced in DXY components -&- SPY priced in USD -- Kip, 20:54:56 11/20/09 Fri

.

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Nuclearson -- RIP, 20:54:18 11/20/09 Fri
That's pretty spooky stuff.
But you must do better.

Is this an African Queen review?

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naked shorts...ok you axed for it.. -- Nuclearson (), 20:51:03 11/20/09 Fri
picture a man running through the amazon creeks covered in leeches (shorts that are theoretically infinite)...kinda like the united states of mericles?

he is running and running getting tired
and every time he runs out of a deep part of the creek more leeches have latched on to his skin sucking blood from his body
like water balloons attached with duct tape..

till finally you see a guy running around
with hundreds of leaches attached to his body
and collapses on the ground
where he dies and becomes topsoil in
time lapse photography

like the tobacco worm with those rice-like parasites attached
and the eggs hatch and eat the worm
alive

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this is the second year in a row our city has laid off cops -- mercury, 20:51:37 11/20/09 Fri
and the murder rate has declined for each of those two years.

go figure.

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mexican oil output drops another 7.5%- racing the dollar to zero -- mugwump, 20:50:34 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=82703

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Delta, don't know about down there, but -- mercury, 20:48:11 11/20/09 Fri
in california vERY difficult to move most houses for any distance, primarily due to overhead utility lines and size of street undercrossings.

I've seen a few guys show the cost numbers associated with moving houses around here. quite prohibitive. some of those deals were predicated on removing a home, ended up that the place burned down 'on accident'.

I've known a few houses that broke in half also. not so easy, technically. There are a couple houses on jacks on a lot that I looked at yesterday. Probably will sit there until they burn.

also, the only homes constructed well enough to transport are victorians and craftsman built betwen 1890 and 1930. And many of them really are worth saving. A buddy of mine just sold his victorian in san francisco for 1.1 million. the place only needed 50k in repairs, amazing.

stuff made here in the 1940s and 1950s was actually of very high quality, but was more expansive 'ranch type' housing that does not lend to moving.

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phillips -- mugwump, 20:47:30 11/20/09 Fri
Gold is higher than ever before and is still climbing. Many investors are waiting for a fall in the gold price, because they are looking at the past market shape, that has not factored in the major sea-change in the shape of demand. Even many institutional analysts have not realized just what has happened to the market and turn only to their charts to decipher the next moves. You our subscribers, we hope, have realized from our writing and forecasts that a great deal more is still to come in this gold market in the years to come.

The impact of I.M.F. Sales of Gold on the gold price

Essentially there has been a leap in the evolution of the gold market, due to the I.M.F. sales of gold. For a couple of years the pending sale of 403.3 tonnes was seen as an overhang on the market and one that pointed to the days when gold’s price would peak. But the reverse has occurred once the first portion of the 403.3 tonnes sale was announced. We are waiting for further announcements on the third tranche of 201.3 tonnes. Please note that India indicated it would be an ongoing buyer of gold from the I.M.F. Mauritius is happy with its 2 tonnes.

However, if this is another central bank and not Russia or China the market will again be surprised and take the gold price even higher. China will have the same impact, with all eyes on the quantity it buys. This is because of the tide of central bank’s changing attitude to gold expressed in the action of buying gold, has not yet been fully accepted by the market place and monetary analysts. To do so would also herald as well as define dropping confidence in the U.S. $ and other paper currencies. Monetary authorities will fight this all the way, even in the face of gold buying by central banks.

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It is far simpler to blame a 'failure to deliver' -- RIP, 20:46:51 11/20/09 Fri
....when a stock is a multiple of many things.

But if that's what they tell you, then hey.
Run with it.
It makes great press.

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merc -- Miniminer, 20:42:56 11/20/09 Fri
there comes a point where there is not enough tax base left to even employ the police...(ironically that would save money from the incarcination bill, since they wouldnt be jailed I suppose)

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not sayin I disagree it is not called for but it makes things a little too real to fast -- Nuclearson (), 20:35:31 11/20/09 Fri
and the effects of financings and stock give-aways lose their sizzle
drains the cash out like a constantly leaking tire

sometimes unfairly imo, when I happen to own(ed) it..(gspg, unco, free parking, golden spirit from hell...calvf, etc. erhe..et al)

when that is what the hell 99% of all stocks are anydamnways?

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Carmack....if you are so worried about the damage shorts do -- RIP, 20:40:51 11/20/09 Fri
...then I suggest you take your complaint to the options and derivatives markets.
You won't.....and you know why?
You don't understand them.

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listening to the high school playoff from my window -- Nuclearson, 20:40:42 11/20/09 Fri
loud sons of a beeches

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gbg picks up $126 million -- mugwump, 20:38:40 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.grtbasin.com/index.html?lf=1;pg=25;ai=1329;pcat=2009

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anglo buys 11% of commander goldfields -- mugwump, 20:37:05 11/20/09 Fri
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AngloGold-Ashanti-Announces-iw-1425655589.html?x=0&.v=1

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fleckensteion ...eric king interview -- BUFFORD, 20:36:11 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Broadcast.html

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Delta-au, -- Carmack, 20:36:01 11/20/09 Fri
Go feck yourself Della !!!!

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oooohhh, now now miniminer. -- mercury, 20:34:49 11/20/09 Fri
you've been looking at real estate.

So - what about all those nice, solid, black neighborhoods in the US?

you know, like...um...well...

ok - I think there's a few on television land.

(actually, St. Louis, K.C., NYC, Atlanta, LA and Cleveland had some very nice, respectable, working class and Up solid black neighborhoods. but those have not existed for 35+ years)

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Rippie -- Carmack, 20:34:02 11/20/09 Fri
"Instead of LSteve....do you care to address that question to me?"

A mere technicality like "address" never stopped you before. Just do a Myrno/Daryl pop up and fill your boots !

The truth is there is no defense for selling something you do not own regardles of all your lame rationalizations for the need to protect the "markets" !!!!!! The markets can take care of themselves its the crooks and their defenders who need to be put behind bars ! The markets will do just fine !

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fleckenstein -- mugwump, 20:33:01 11/20/09 Fri
o it seems to me that what's crowded is not the long-gold trade but more likely the camp of folks who think it's too crowded.

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fleckenstein shows up -- mugwump, 20:31:43 11/20/09 Fri
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/ContrarianChronicles/how-much-longer-can-gold-rise.aspx

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they stopped counting the fires in 1998 -- Miniminer, 20:29:51 11/20/09 Fri
The antiarson intervention implemented by the city of Detroit from 1985 through 1996 included eight key elements. First, all available city firefighters were stationed at strategically located DFD command posts, and police officers and other city employees patrolled designated areas of the city. Second, potential arson targets were eliminated or reduced by demolishing abandoned buildings, towing abandoned vehicles, removing tires from dump sites, and emptying large trash receptacles. Third, city residents were recruited to serve as volunteers from community organizations, religious groups, schools, unions, and the private sector. Fourth, volunteers received orientation for guarding abandoned neighborhood buildings, patrolling designated neighborhoods in vehicles, providing administrative support at operational centers throughout the city, and keeping outdoor lights on throughout the night. Fifth, an aggressive education/public relations campaign informed residents about Halloween antiarson intervention plans, the dangers of arson, and suggestions for preventing arson. Sixth, structured activities for children and teenagers -- including movie marathons, teen dances, overnight slumber parties, carnivals, and other activities -- were sponsored by the city of Detroit, community organizations, churches, and other groups. Seventh, Detroit's year-round youth curfew was extended to begin at 6:00 p.m. on October 30 and continue through 6:00 a.m. on October 31 for youth aged less than or equal to 17 years unaccompanied by an adult. Finally, since 1995, an emergency city ordinance has prohibited the dispensing of fuel into portable containers, except in certain emergency circumstances, during Halloween.
Fire Trends and Fire-Related Deaths, 1979-1996

Following an increase in the number of total Halloween fires from 1979 through 1984, the number of Halloween fires reported annually declined from 810 in 1984 to 142 in 1996 (Figure 1). From 1991 through 1996 (with the exception of 1994), the number of Halloween fires ranged from 142 to 167, within the range of the number of fires expected to occur during any 3-day period in Detroit (Figure 1).

From 1979 to 1996, an average of 61.2% of annual Halloween fires were classified by DFD personnel as confirmed or suspected arson. For 1995, of 158 Halloween fires, 86 (54.4%) were arson-related, compared with 6572 (41.1%) of 15,971 total fires. From 1979 through 1984, the number of arson-related Halloween fires increased from 341 to 582, with an overall decrease to 84 in 1996 (Figure 2). Before 1985, most Halloween arson fires were refuse fires. From 1983 to 1984, the number of arson-related building fires increased nearly fourfold, from 45 to 170 fires, and since 1985, the greatest proportion of Halloween fires have occurred in buildings (Figure 2).

Annual fire-related fatalities in Detroit have decreased since 1979, ranging from 107 deaths in 1979 to 44 deaths in 1996. From 1984 through 1996, arson accounted for an average of nearly half (47.4%) of all fire-related deaths each year. The number of youth curfew violations decreased from 315 in 1994 to 185 in 1996. Except for 1994, the number of volunteers participating in the annual antiarson campaign increased annually from 1985 through 1996, from approximately 8000 to 33,615 (Figure 3). In 1994, the number of volunteers decreased, and the number of Halloween fires increased.

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ohh .. and carjack .. -- Delta-au, 20:29:43 11/20/09 Fri
bite me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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the evil carjack does a miro pop-up .. -- Delta-au, 20:27:58 11/20/09 Fri
booger orrff slimeball ..
..

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Cognizant of what? -- RIP, 20:27:25 11/20/09 Fri
Name me a gold stock that has recently been attacked by shorts of any kind.

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detroit -- Miniminer -- Earl, 20:26:57 11/20/09 Fri
My first visit to Detroit was in 1969, it was apparent that it was a downer even then.

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afraid of the evil shorts -- Nuclearson, 20:23:12 11/20/09 Fri
not afraid
but cognizant of
big difference

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detroit -- Miniminer, 20:22:07 11/20/09 Fri
they have destroyed the town long before this downturn...I remember when Halloween came, they had fun setting homes on fire just to watch them burn and distract the police so they could go do crime without being pestered by dam pigs...feck them, let 'em live in the filth

seems blacks only love destruction--and thats not a racial comment, it's fact.

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I can't answer a comment -- RIP, 20:21:39 11/20/09 Fri
But it's nice to know you are afraid of the evil shorts.

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I asked why the city just didn't buy up existing streets from detroit. ..... Merc -- Earl, 20:21:34 11/20/09 Fri
Throw in Detroit's water and mineral rights and a seat on the city council awaits you.

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"whom I would let hold my bag ." -- Carmack, 20:21:20 11/20/09 Fri
How about Miss Gelda and Pop up Myrno ? lol

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my new Borker .. -- Delta-au, 20:20:40 11/20/09 Fri
is a derivative of ..
drum-roll please ..
JPM ..

I did consider the local Ghoulman offshoot ..
their parent co'y is sooo f'ing good makin' bacon ..
but decided on trying #2's first ..
..

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babylon hoye....santa claus rally -- BUFFORD, 20:20:39 11/20/09 Fri

http://www.institutionaladvisors.com/whats-new.htm

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RIP, -- Carmack, 20:19:39 11/20/09 Fri
OK "you" an SteeveO are both FOS on naked shorting !!!!!

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just for clarity .. -- Delta-au, 20:18:05 11/20/09 Fri
there are very few people ..
whom I would let hold my bag ..
..

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mercury . -- Delta-au, 20:15:05 11/20/09 Fri
i haven't looked at yer Detroit home listings, but it does
present an opportunity if one can very cheaply buy a home,
transport it to a piece of land one might buy in another area
where the employment prospects are much better ..

Good scheme .. we should form a voy investment consortium ..
Just dooone let Wall Street Sharkz hold our bag ..
..

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Carmack...your comment to LSteve was uncalled for. -- RIP, 20:14:45 11/20/09 Fri
If you have a problem with so called naked shorting, I suggested you take it up with me.
Questions?

I will gladly accept all the heat.
I welcome it.

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the "second stimulus package" -- mercury ((is actually the third)), 20:09:14 11/20/09 Fri
will extend jobless (previously called unemployed) benefits for another six months.

many folks will run out of unemployment in the next 12 weeks, and you can't have articles like this one gracing every newspaper for too long, bad for business (re-election):

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/17/MN0J1AL9A1.DTL&type=jobs

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The Senate exists to stifle the peoples' will -- RIP, -- Nuclearson, 20:09:00 11/20/09 Fri
thats why ron paul never got to be a senator?

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RIP .. -- Delta-au, 20:08:35 11/20/09 Fri
Why Lehman failed .. Leverage .. Losses .. Liquidity.
Good article Rip ..
Credit where credit is due ..
..

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in my bankrupt city, we are getting newly paved feeder streets -- mercury, 20:07:36 11/20/09 Fri
sidwalks, gutters and curbs.

I asked why the city just didn't buy up existing streets from detroit. not like they're using 'em up back there anymore. besides, the trucks bringing food and chinese trinkets to walmart are making the LTR drive back empty anyway.

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morbius .. -- Delta-au, 20:07:13 11/20/09 Fri
Re Chartists are unable to perdict anything "acurately" ..

The use of thee word "accurately" in yer statement appears
disingenuous (aka .. sneaky) .. if it was not intended that
way, please accept my apology ..

I use chart analysis (TA) .. that makes me a "chartist" ?
Note - I also use fundamental analysis (FA) ..
I team the 2 techniques (TA/FA) to make market decisions ..
does that still mean that I'm a "chartist" ?

One example .. I predicted the SP of PLA.AX would rise,
about a year or so ago ..

I posted that I'd just bort lotsa shares @ ~$0.42 .. with a
rough $1.00 target price onnit .. while I have no posted
record of that, other posters here may be able to bear
witness to the fourgoing .. if needed .. I assume that will
not bee necessary ..

Ibso facto, sir .. ahh deeclair ..
yer blowin' bubbles with yer statement on TA ..
..

Response please ?

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the terms "Detroit economic ephemera" -- mercury, 20:03:09 11/20/09 Fri
do not produce one solid hit in either bing or google.

time to stock up!

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parrbolic move in gold according to Larry Persavento -- BUFFORD, 20:01:56 11/20/09 Fri
would be 30% up from here but he considers a parbolic gold move to be a ending pattern... about 15 mins in, Baz talk GDX support levels and then Larry P comes on

http://www.tigeruniversity.com/mp3/TOS112009.mp3

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remember those stories about the folks that could buy a house -- mercury, 19:57:45 11/20/09 Fri
for an ounce of gold in pre-war germany?

you can do that now in detroit

(not a recco, take the tour instead)

guess that means one of the two is fairly valued.

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RIP, -- Carmack, 19:56:57 11/20/09 Fri
Looks like those Merkins just cannot handle the truff any longer. I think they're beginning to coagulate into an ugly lynch mob !!! Pop ups all over the place ! Wagons in a circle !lol

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this has to be a greatly uplifting meeting: -- mercury, 19:55:35 11/20/09 Fri
The Detroit Economic Club

http://www.econclub.org/Meetings/MeetingDetail.aspx?ID=b357551d-1101-4274-8e6d-78732349092f

That's right, wheeling and dealing on Detroits future!!

Hey - here's my idea for you chaps:

Load up on a few wayne co. unemployed local arabic housewifes and start a website that caters to NYC firemen.

WIN WIN all around!

Actually, I have given some thought about taking a mini-vacation to tour detroits dead economic zones, abandoend neighborhoods, 1$ homes etc.

The website tour is pretty good in itself...

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skys39, are you really going to find much comfort -- mercury, 19:50:58 11/20/09 Fri
from a guy (nomarriage) that holds up Tom Leykis as inspiration?

known a few dudes that tried to marry a russian or vietnamese gal cuz american women were too much trouble.

those deals didn't last long.

while I am thinking about the topic (won't be long) how come I've never run across an arabic-mail order bride service?

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I enjoy zerohedge as much as the next guy but sentences like this just don't make the cut -- Earl (), 19:47:02 11/20/09 Fri
It's really a paragraph ..... of sorts
========================

Sen. Kaufman admirably takes on the windmills again, this time sending a much more sternly worded letter to Mary Schapiro to finally step away from the game of taxpayer funded Solitaire, and instead of waiting for twitters and bloggers to hand her agency cases of insider trading on a silver platter, to finally do something proactive, before her thoroughly discredited agency comprising of what are apparently some of the most inept government workers in existence, is responsible for not only the biggest ponzi blow up (done and done) but for the greatest market collapse courtesy of a few unsupervised Atari consoles.

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chances for sub 20 silver for any much longer length of time diminishing... -- Nuclearson (), 19:46:50 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.apmex.com/Product/180/CHEAP_Silver_Dollars_Morgan__or_Peace_.aspx?utm_source=ConstantContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=LadyLiberty

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- -- faloffal, 19:44:12 11/20/09 Fri
Treasury Yield Plunge Sends Warning

"Collapse in note yields suggests economic distress will keep Fed on hold well into 2010 or beyond.

"Treasury bills once again were trading at negative interest rates Thursday, a mind-boggling state of affairs that hasn't existed since the panic late last year."
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB125869502873557185.html?mod=BOL_hpp_popview

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@ You are ass of this board, and I don't care to talk to you -- RIP, 19:42:55 11/20/09 Fri
Said the guy who just talked to me.

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I'll renounce the world and pursue holy orders. -- morbius, 19:40:35 11/20/09 Fri
LOL. Alright, Earl. We'll be holding you to that.

Somebody has got to take the fall. Why not The Fed?

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skys funny stuff -- Nuclearson, 19:40:31 11/20/09 Fri
mr. clinton seems to be dying, has obviously had some major cancer
and will probably not make it but another year or two

would be funny if the final take down will be
even harder and deeper than even our worst nightmares?

naw, no way that bad...

twilight zone

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Perhaps Miron can shed some light on the subject -- RIP, -- Miro (), 19:38:53 11/20/09 Fri
nobody wants to talk to you ... get it RIP? You are ass of this board, and I don't care to talk to you

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Guess who's coming to dinner....to take out the garbage? -- RIP, 19:38:30 11/20/09 Fri
Lord love em.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gjx2d7Jygia4Kt8hWQWuicMSBDewD9C3D6G80

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Fed audit has two insurmountable obstacles -- Earl, 19:38:14 11/20/09 Fri
One is the senate ........... two is Yobama's signature.

If it passes those two, I'll renounce the world and pursue holy orders.

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fedfighter, indeed. MudturtErle has provided some of the best -- mercury, 19:36:19 11/20/09 Fri
finanical analysis, on this board or anywhere else, over hte last 10 years.

For all the tripe and gripe we wade through on any given day, for my money there still isn't another site with a higher ratio of better input.

And I've looked quite a bit.

You could follow *almost* anyone's advice still posting here since 1999 and be better off than the majority of the other investors in north america over the same time period.

(but kinda weird if you think about it too long, so I don't)

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I'm sure Mormon Harry will get right on the case -- RIP, 19:26:14 11/20/09 Fri
....of drumming up Senate support for Paul/Grayson.
lol

Itsa dead.

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stealing the useless eaters gold for peanuts is so lucrative, cats are getting in on the act now.. -- Nuclearson, 19:21:19 11/20/09 Fri
http://www.catsforgold.com/

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2 Senators are more convenient to bribe -- RIP, 19:15:59 11/20/09 Fri
...than a number of Reps.

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The Senate exists to stifle the peoples' will -- RIP, 19:02:17 11/20/09 Fri
The founders weren't stupid.

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Winston ..last week....FYI if I had a pick my poison -- BUFFORD (), 18:58:22 11/20/09 Fri
and I did, I'd take the Indian Tobacco (extract) over nebulizing iodine. Nebulizing with CS works if U have a bronchial infection but if its something else I have had better success with 6 drops of the extract in water or tea. U can get the extract on Amazon or tons of other places. You'll know if it works in minutes.

With all this flu/virus/germ engineering going around this year, its not a bad idea for a couple of other back up plans

http://www.naturalhealthcourses.com/Reading_Room/lobelia.htm

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gold market breakdown -- skys39, 18:59:27 11/20/09 Fri
he he..

http://www.infowars.com/gold-market-breakdown/

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Is there a person alive who thinks the Paul/Grayson bill will pass the Senate? -- RIP, 18:58:54 11/20/09 Fri
The senate is there for a reason.

I'll leave it for you to decide what reason.

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5 Reasons to Sell TheStreet.com -- skys39, 18:53:13 11/20/09 Fri
http://seekingalpha.com/article/168767-5-reasons-to-sell-thestreet-com

lol

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Bob Chapman's latest warning on Alex Jones Infowars.com -- GlodCoaster, 18:50:52 11/20/09 Fri
is quite pertinent. He says the Fed Audit legislation is the most important legislation in the past century. Against this we have the warning from Societe Generale of total economic breakdown. The elite of the elite might well take us down the path of chaos in order to create their fascist global state, but a lot of people in power are not going to buy this. Rush Limbaugh has called Al Gore a new world order criminal! This is a major breakthrough.

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RIP - There is not a chartist alive.... -- morbius (), 18:44:58 11/20/09 Fri
who can predict anything (not accurately, anyway).

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I have yet to see a $20 move -- RIP, 18:44:55 11/20/09 Fri
Where are the imaginary $100 moves?

I want some of Jim's medicine.

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call ghold what u will -- skys39, 18:43:56 11/20/09 Fri
it has kept me alive for two years

and a few more i would think

skys39... one of the lone survivors

..

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@ Swings can be hundreds of dollars from high to low in single days. -- RIP, -- MichaelH, 18:37:27 11/20/09 Fri
Are you filling in for Skinee while he's on vacation?

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@ Swings can be hundreds of dollars from high to low in single days. -- RIP, 18:35:04 11/20/09 Fri
OK, sure, huh huh.

I'd rather watch Jim's tomatoes rot.

Garner your wisdom, and gird yer loins from wherever.
But that is truly pathetic.

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lord jim -- mugwump, 18:28:45 11/20/09 Fri
I would like to reiterate that it is only going to get harder between here and $1650 and after on the way to Alf and Armstrong's numbers. Swings can be hundreds of dollars from high to low in single days.
Look at this as insurance unavailable anywhere else.
Treat gold like the insurance policy it is with your gold and gold related item cost being the cost of the arrangement.
Ask yourself if you are succumbing to a top caller if you really want to be long dollars for any appreciable period of time.

Do not be run ragged by algorithm and hedge fund trading. Carry markets can be extremely violent.

Look at CIT and Middle America. Look at unemployment, and do not succumb to the new normal in a depraved economic world.

Have courage because you are going to need more than you already have called upon.

I am here for you to the absolute ability of one man communicating. Speculate if you must, but don't call me when you hit the fan.

For those that understand the insurance character of gold, stand strong and stay the course.

Respectfully yours,
Jim

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There is not a chartist alive -- RIP, 18:14:15 11/20/09 Fri
...who could have predicted NY bidding up POG almost every afternoon this week.
Regardless of the dollar.

Discuss.

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Perhaps Miron can shed some light on the subject -- RIP, 18:07:39 11/20/09 Fri
What?
You blew your bulb?
LOL

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Yes....it's a pet peeve of mine. -- RIP, 18:02:20 11/20/09 Fri
Next?

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franco/moydow deal gets closer -- mugwump, 18:01:17 11/20/09 Fri
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Moydow-Mines-International-iw-3480857951.html?x=0&.v=1

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- -- faloffal, 18:00:33 11/20/09 Fri
is it possible that The Fed is using some kind of variation of the Hurst Phenomenon http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/511/1/documents/2002HSJHurst.pdf to gauge the optimum level of Stimulus?

and if so, then at what height is the dam (money stimulus)built? Is there a requirement for gold on the material list? If so, how much?

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anyone that is shorrting miners is dumber than f -- skys39, 17:58:23 11/20/09 Fri
bare ass long is where its at

wait n see

.

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All I can assume is that most here don't want change -- RIP, 17:58:21 11/20/09 Fri
...they just want more regulation.

Naked shorts are in fact your best friend.
Some day you will understand.

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climategate- the final nail in the coffin for the global warming crowd -- mugwump, 17:56:28 11/20/09 Fri
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/jamesdelingpole/

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