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Subject: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Brian Swain

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Date Posted: 14:18:52 02/28/05 Mon

Hi,
I recently bought very cheaply, weeks 2 and 3 in a 2 bed at Monteray.I hadn,t seen it but it was the right weeks.
The maintenance is exhorbitant but my apartment although tired was well looked after and generally superb. I am most pleased. I had looked up the resort on CLCs web site and entered the deal confidently. A number of concerns have arisen, first , my new cert of ownership does not give the apartment number. I am told that CLCs computer system cannot do that although the cert number refers to the apartment number in their system! I have the previous original that refers to the number so I am not unduly worried, however it does reflect an attitude of CLC to impersonalise the complex.
Secondly, the rise of the points system and its taking advantage of owners is worrying.It seems that they steal your asset and make you pay for the privilage.It also has too many variables where they can increase your costs.
This site is most interesting, but gives little info about the people involved in running it. More info like that in the home page may get more people like myself to trust the site. This subject has had many scares in the past.
best regards to all other members.

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[> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Michael
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Date Posted: 08:41:07 03/02/05 Wed

One thing about Weeks 2 and 3 is that CLC Vacation Club members always get 2 for 1 deals at this time of the year. This means that you would get 2 weeks of a Penthouse 2 bed for 1260 points. A 'Platinum' points member pays about 30p. per point in Maintenance [so this would cost �378 for a fortnight] - and you'd probably still have enough points for another holiday in the Summer. I know you couldn't guarantee which particular unit you would get - but it seems you haven't actually seen the one you have just taken an interest in!

I know it is not 'flavour of the month' to recommend points - but I bet you are paying a lot more in maintenance!

Michael

[> [> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Andrew
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Date Posted: 11:07:50 03/04/05 Fri

Michael why should a weeks owner be paying more maintenance to use an apartment than a points owner.

Surly it costs no more to maintain the apartment no matter who use's it.

It sounds to me that you are gloating over this difference in maintenance, or are you a CLC rep???.

>One thing about Weeks 2 and 3 is that CLC Vacation
>Club members always get 2 for 1 deals at this time of
>the year. This means that you would get 2 weeks of a
>Penthouse 2 bed for 1260 points. A 'Platinum' points
>member pays about 30p. per point in Maintenance [so
Michael why should a weeks owner pay more ma

>this would cost �378 for a fortnight] - and you'd
>probably still have enough points for another holiday
>in the Summer. I know you couldn't guarantee which
>particular unit you would get - but it seems you
>haven't actually seen the one you have just taken an
>interest in!
>
>I know it is not 'flavour of the month' to recommend
>points - but I bet you are paying a lot more in
>maintenance!
>
>
>Michael

[> [> [> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray
Author: Michael [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 11:37:15 03/04/05 Fri No I'm neither gloating nor a CLC rep - merely quoting the facts - which is presumably what the guy would like to hear! If I'm told a Rolls Royce costs �3,000 less in a garage the other side of town, I'd probably go and buy it there [or a Nissan Micra for that matter!] Michael

[> [> [> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray
Author: Allan [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:00:50 03/05/05 Sat As I understand it, maintenance charges for points owners are averaged over the maintenance payments for all properties under CLC's wing. So with Monterey being high, we can assume that some others like those on Costa del Sol will be cheaper and bring the average charge down.

[> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 08:21:02 03/05/05 Sat

Just to add a few points to this discussion.I'm not convinced the points system is cheaper than fixed week ownership.The figure of 30p per point may be correct but there is also a 127pound per year membership charge.I am a fixed week owner at the Monterey,a 3 bed/3 bathroom penthouse,week 34.Management fees are 508 pounds per week.At my last meeting with the sales reps it is valued at 1750 points according to their brochure.At 30p per point,this equates to 525 pounds plus the 127 pounds annual membership,which gives a grand total of 652 pounds.The quote for me to change over to points,was my week plus 3999 pounds would give me 2001 points,a Gold membership.So,again at 30p per point,the managemnet charge would be 727 pounds.You can't just swap your week for points you have to buy into the system.The next problem is that on the points system you are not guaranteed to get what you want when you want it.I am tied to school holidays etc so a fixed week is ideal for me.On the points system you try and get a vacation where and when you want at peak times,no chance.If your flexible and can take your vacation anytime then maybe the points system could work for you.After watching this site for the last 3 years,this is the first time I've seen anyone in favour of the points system.Over on the CLC members website most people are points owners and the system seems to work for them.Having said that,some of the prices that members have paid for points is absolutely ridiculous,and don't forget,the more points you own,the more management charge you pay.
Happy holidays!!!

[> [> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 00:12:12 03/06/05 Sun

Gary, you are right about the potential savings on maintenance fees not being there for Monterey owners to switch to points and that is why I too kept my Monterey week. I traded in our Paradise weeks because there was a substantial saving to be had. The �3999 quoted sounds like the first price we were quoted and laughed at. We accepted to change after a further three reductions in price after haggling and we have ceded our Monterey week with the option of taking it out of the points bank if we want to use it in any year.

[> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Gary
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Date Posted: 12:21:09 03/06/05 Sun

Allan,
we went to the Costa del sol in June 2004,to the CLC flagship resort.Only paid 29 pounds for the accomodation plus flights.Apartment was excellent,a 2 bed/2 bathroom for 3 of us.Part of the deal was to attend a presentation.No problem with that,been there,done that,got the t-shirt.Got picked up from the apartment and taken to Zacary's for lunch with the sales rep.Afterv the complimentary lunch had a tour of the show apartments.Some are fantastic,jaquzzi on the patio,etc.Curiosity killed the cat so couldn't resist wanting to know the financial side of things.Got whisked off to the exhibition centre and then spent 5 hours haggling with the sales reps.First deal was my week plus 3999 pounds to give me 2001 vacation points and a one off extra 500 points to be used within 12 months.Refused their offer and then,not unexpectantly,the price come down to 2999 pounds plus my week.Again I refused their offer.Amazing,isn't it,how the price can change by a 1000 pounds in a matter of minutes.Shortly after I made my excuses and left.
In August 2004 whilst staying at the Monterey,again attended a complimentary lunch supposedly to inform me of the refurbishment programme for the resort.There was not one word mentioned about the refurbishment but only about changing over to the points system.Early on during the lunch I made it clear that we were not interested in their points system because they could not guarantee giving me what I want when I want it.There is the beauty of the fixed week,if your tied with children,school holidays etc then the points system can be difficult.
Just another quick point,we attended a meeting with a sales rep in 2001 where we spent 4 hours discussing whether I should buy into the new phase at the Monterey.He offered me a 2 bed apartment for 8100 pounds.Here we are in 2005 and still the building work isn't complete.Thank god I didn't take up his offer.
Happy holidays.

[> Subject: Re: New Owner at Monteray

Author:
Admin
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Date Posted: 12:07:39 03/17/05 Thu

> "This site is most interesting, but gives little
>info about the people involved in running it. More
>info like that in the home page may get more people
>like myself to trust the site. This subject has had
>many scares in the past."

An iteresting point. Now a bit of history.
This site was set up after a meeting of owners at the Paradise Club, at the time it was owned by The Paradise Group.
The meeting was arranged by owners because the resort was in a dreadful state and going to the dogs.
The hope was that other owners would come across the site either by being told about or by accident.
It was hoped that as it became more popular owners would fill in the membership form and we would be able to build up a data base of owners and talk to each other hence this forum, and maybe speak with one voice, as it is, we have a few hundred owners that have filled in a membership form.

Many owners view the the site, post thier views, but dont bother to fill in a memership form, perhaps it's time to put some restrictions on it??.

> "best regards to all other members."

Have you filled in a membership form ????

Regards

Admin