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Hogalum Discussion
Subject: Security?


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 03:06:47 06/03/02 Mon
How secure would this be? Also, how easily can we archive postings here?
[> Subject: Re: Security?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:10:59 06/04/02 Tue
>How secure would this be?

Well, I have set this as private, which means it is not listed anywhere by Voy. It is not indexed by search engines as far as I can tell. I would recommend not using your email address anyway, to prevent spam spiders from picking it up automatically.

>Also, how easily can we archive postings here?

That part is extremely easy. Pick a cutoff date and click "archive." Ba-da-bing!
[> Subject: Re: Security?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:17:55 06/04/02 Tue
>How secure would this be?

You can use html here, but the same rule about embedding hyperlinks ought to apply: If you click a link, this url will show up in someone's blogs. That goes for any of the ad links on this page as well.
Subject: How's This?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 17:03:44 06/02/02 Sun
Pretty basic, but customizable. Let me know what you think.
[> Subject: Re: How's This?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:09:29 06/03/02 Mon

Well, anything is better then nothing. As it sounds, Curt will only be checking a few times a week?
[> [> Subject: Re: How's This?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:06:23 06/04/02 Tue
>Well, anything is better then nothing. As it sounds,
>Curt will only be checking a few times a week?

I guess. I thought it was tedious to archive the discussion board. I didn't realize it was tedious to read it.
[> Subject: Re: How's This?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:19:50 06/04/02 Tue
>Pretty basic, but customizable. Let me know what you
>think.

I kind of like this. I am used to the threaded structure, and it automatically puts the newest messages at the top.
Subject: Configuration


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 15:27:57 06/10/02 Mon
How in the hell do you change the configuration on this thing? Do you have to be an administrator?

I would like to display the headers only, then read the messages I select. That makes the page shorter, cleaner, and easier to see at a glance what's happening. If everyone uses an apropriate subject header this will work extremely well.
[> Subject: Re: Configuration


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:11:24 06/10/02 Mon
>How in the hell do you change the configuration on
>this thing? Do you have to be an administrator?

Yes.

>I would like to display the headers only, then read
>the messages I select. That makes the page shorter,
>cleaner, and easier to see at a glance what's
>happening. If everyone uses an apropriate subject
>header this will work extremely well.

I agree. In fact, that's the way I had it set until Curt said:

>Is there a way to see more than one message at a time?

So, that's two votes for compact format, and one vote for medium format, and Jeff is still trying to figure out what "slammed" means.
[> [> Subject: Compact format wins!


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 23:09:19 06/10/02 Mon
Thank you. This is much better.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Compact format wins!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 23:38:09 06/10/02 Mon
>Thank you. This is much better.

Ayuh. Snazzy banner, too, eh?
Subject: Jeff's Insane Ramblings


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:23:01 06/12/02 Wed
(Evidently you are all creatures of habit, or are afraid to post on this board for some reason. Until you get the hang of it, I will simply copy your entries and paste them on this board. Great idea or what?)

On Wednesday, Jun. 12, 2002, Jeff said:

Geezz, what the hell is UP with everyone???
06/12/02 - Dear Diary, I kissed a girl yesterday.
Is this what I'm left with? Anything worth while out there? Ken, I can't seem to make headway with NAKED LUNCH!
Bills are stacking up. With divorce attorney, business attorney(I gotta start paying him something for Inner Compass), Car Pymnt, and old med. bills. It feels like I'm the only one making an attempt to pay something whereas Kim is NOT doing shit. I've been realy naughty at NOT doing taxes for the last three years...yeah I know...but I AM getting them done NOW. I've got 80% of the info to her.(nice body-ears too big)At a fee of 75.00 for each year, I'll be coughing up 225.00 for the three years. Although Kim legally owes me 112.50 of that, I am sure she will give me the finger and direct me to which level of hell I should be residing in.
I'll followup with an email to Kim on certain things and I get more attitude about how she doesn't answer to me, blah, blah, ....not going to look for anything, you'll have to call and just get copies, blah, blah,blah. I will say she is consistent. She reminds weekly what a bitch she truly is.
I started the Anger Mgmnt workshop-Tuesdays for the next 14 weeks. Ugh. It'll be a breeze, as I could probably run the class myself. The group consists of the six of us. Myself and another man are 'warriors', we decided afterwards that just like the movie FightClub, we were going to use our warrior energy and take over the sessions and intimidate and threaten the other men :)
Actually, we're hoping it'll get more indepth as the first couple meetings are dull as WE have already been down this path and are ready to get INTO IT.
Oh, the guy who was going to junk the car, he found someone to fix for half the price, replacing wheel bearings and axle. So I'm going to continue to purchase from him. Then by next year, after credit is scabbed over, I'll buy another...oh, crap.....by then I hope to be running Inner Compass...yeow! (Add to startup cost...President and Founder's business mobile with state of the art sound system and GTS.) Yep, my next car will be a company car. Dear God my coffee tastes rank!!
Did I tell you? I weighed myself 2 weeks ago, lost a total of 30 lbs since Dec.
Signing off
[> Subject: Mere Mortals...


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:30:35 06/12/02 Wed
>Ken, I can't seem to make headway with NAKED LUNCH!

That's because it is brilliantly written incomprehensible drivel, just like I said it was when you asked my opinion of Burroughs. I am so pleased you ignored my advice and proved me right once again.
[> [> Subject: I liked Naked Lunch


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 17:08:29 06/12/02 Wed
I think Jeff expected the book to be similar to David Cronenberg's film. Now that you're reading the book, Jeff, you can see that no one can make that into a movie. Cronenberg created something original that would evoke the essence of the book Naked Lunch, steal elements from the novels Exterminator and Queer, capture something of Burroughs's life through the semi-biographical character of Bill Lee and finally to express themes present throughout Cronenberg's own body of work. Burroughs's friends Allan Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac also appear fictionalized in the Cronenberg film.

Burroughs was living in Tangier, Morocco in 1954 while writing his third novel. The working title was Interzone and it would in time become Naked Lunch. Burroughs wrote in a letter to Kerouac "I am having serious difficulties with my novel. I tell you the novel form is completely inadequate to express what I have to say. I don't know if I can find a form. I am very gloomy as to the prospects of publication."

Even though Burroughs makes a dramatic departure from traditional form he finds a way to articulate his ideas about addiction, conspiracy and madness and infuse it with his dark twisted humor. You may not know that Burroughs had intimate knowledge of heroin addiction and also abused a number of other serious substances. It always amazed me that he could live to such an old age.
Subject: Curt chimes in


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 16:14:43 06/06/02 Thu
This should work out fine. Let the fading away begin...
[> Subject: Curt who?


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 18:01:39 06/12/02 Wed
>This should work out fine. Let the fading away begin...

See you around, pal. It was nice knowing you.
Subject: bahlooons... bahlooons


Author:
Mr.Grudgemeyer
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Date Posted: 18:04:11 06/12/02 Wed
I just had to see if the name field was restricted.
[> Subject: Hilter for North Minehead!


Author:
Herman McGoering
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Date Posted: 18:07:09 06/12/02 Wed
This could get interesting.
[> [> Subject: All right, that's enough of that!


Author:
Voy Forum Name Field Integrity and Compliance Commission
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Date Posted: 21:25:01 06/12/02 Wed
Stop it right now! I ORDER you to put your real names in the name blank. Or you can pretend to be Dave, but that's it.
[> [> [> Subject: Oh, you're no fun anymore! (DC)


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 23:21:03 06/12/02 Wed
[> [> [> [> Subject: It just goes to show...


Author:
Senior Juan
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Date Posted: 23:24:40 06/12/02 Wed
that you can learn something new every day. The board automatically detects posts without a message and labels them (NT). Great!
Subject: Ramblings of one PISSED OF MOTHER FUCKER!!!


Author:
Jeff, he who is about ready to clear
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Date Posted: 07:47:13 06/13/02 Thu
I need some SERIOUS CLEARING WITH CURT & KEN!!!

RATHER THEN START THROWING SOME SERIOUS HEAT SEEKING VERBAL MISSLES OF INSTANT DEATH, I'LL TRY AND CONTAIN MYSELF.

FUCK - I AM PISSED AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[> Subject: Re: Ramblings


Author:
Confused in Phoenix
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Date Posted: 08:29:45 06/13/02 Thu
>I AM PISSED AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW WHY!

Well, there's where you're wrong. Why don't you cool down a tad and tell us what we've done to piss you off this time.
[> [> Subject: Re: Ramblings


Author:
F.U.
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Date Posted: 08:56:22 06/13/02 Thu
>Well, there's where you're wrong. Why don't you cool
>down a tad and tell us what we've done to piss you off
>this time.
I was feeling so good about something and wanting to thank Curt. I see John's email about the gang moving here already.
NO ONE made any mention WHEN 'the group' was moving over to this site. I asked for a date. I got no response. Instead, it seems to me, that I'm to appear the fool for not knowing and writing to the old site. You all want clear communication and here is an example again of complete lack of it. I will say no more as I'm about to erupt with some serious anger.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ramblings


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:38:28 06/13/02 Thu
>I will say no
>more as I'm about to erupt with some serious anger.

That's a good idea, since you will have to eat your words later.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Ramblings


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 15:57:03 06/13/02 Thu
>NO ONE made any mention WHEN 'the group' was moving
>over to this site. I asked for a date. I got no
>response. Instead, it seems to me, that I'm to appear
>the fool for not knowing and writing to the old site.

I don't remember any request for a "moving date", but then again I was off the board while my computer was down. I thought I went over the messages carefully to catch up and I don't recall seeing it. Just now, before writing this, I reread the last few weeks worth of messages and still can't find your request. Perhaps I'm just not seeing it if it's buried in a message body. Perhaps the others didn't notice as well.

The puzzling thing to me is that we all know this site is here and was being used (albeit barely) and that Curt wanted to bail out of the old site. I didn't notice any timetable. I just moved here.

When I didn't see you posting I figured I would check the old board and invite you over here. I think you're taking this much too personally. I didn't do that to slap you upside the head. I did that so you would move over here and join in without having your messages languish on a board no one was looking at anymore.
Subject: The Hogalum Discussion Board is closed


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 11:14:40 06/13/02 Thu
I've added a redirect to the Hogalum Discussion Board leading to the Hogalum Funhouse.
All entries through June 13th are archived here: http://www.calwriters.com/Hogalum/Archives.html
Ken, please place a link on this board to the archives in place of the link to the old discussion board.
The old site still exists in it's entirety, and I will take it down and burn it on a CD later.
I'll make a rich text format of all of the archived entries later as well, unless someone wants
to do it themselves earlier.
[> Subject: Re: The Hogalum Discussion Board is closed


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:17:06 06/13/02 Thu
>Ken, please place a link on this board to the archives
>in place of the link to the old discussion board.

Done!
Subject: Cute banner, Ken


Author:
Johann Gambleputty...etc
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Date Posted: 17:48:22 06/13/02 Thu
[> Subject: G Tanks


Author:
The Mad Gifster
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Date Posted: 21:18:44 06/13/02 Thu
Subject: Feeling better now


Author:
Voltaire Handlebooty
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Date Posted: 08:00:21 06/14/02 Fri
I am feeling better now. I did write a suggestion, I believe it was last week, for Ken and Curt to agree on a date when we could move over and make a smooth transition. So, enough of that.
What I originally wanted to share was my thanks to Curt for his suggestion a good year ago. He stated he really enjoyed a movie called "Little Buddha". I really liked it. I also enjoyed the music. I was shocked to see the music was composed by Riuchi Sakamoto. YES! I'll have to buy the soundtrack - Thanks Curtie!
[> Subject: Resistance is futile!


Author:
Phineas J. Sarcasmatron
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Date Posted: 08:27:44 06/14/02 Fri
>I am feeling better now.

Better than what?

>I did write a suggestion, I
>believe it was last week, for Ken and Curt to agree on
>a date when we could move over and make a smooth
>transition.

Smooth transition? Are you crazy?

>What I originally wanted to share was my thanks to
>Curt for his suggestion a good year ago. He stated he
>really enjoyed a movie called "Little Buddha". I
>really liked it. I also enjoyed the music.

I don't like movies, especially if Curt likes them. But if you thought it was good, I might give it a try. Nah, I better not. It'll probably still suck just because of that Curt thing.
Subject: and there was much rejoicing


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 22:09:33 06/13/02 Thu
I just spent half an hour rereading random selections from the old archive and laughed my ass off. Inbetween all of the silly arguments and updates we all wrote some hilarious stuff.
[> Subject: Re: and there was much rejoicing


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 08:35:00 06/14/02 Fri
>I just spent half an hour rereading random selections
>from the old archive and laughed my ass off. Inbetween
>all of the silly arguments and updates we all wrote
>some hilarious stuff.

Oh God, yes. I have often thought I would like to cull the best stuff into an anthology of Hogalum wit and wisdom. I might just do that some day and compile it into a PDF doc.
[> [> Subject: Re: and there was much rejoicing


Author:
Yakel Shivtwister
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Date Posted: 10:29:02 06/14/02 Fri
>>I just spent half an hour rereading random selections
>>from the old archive and laughed my ass off. Inbetween
>>all of the silly arguments and updates we all wrote
>>some hilarious stuff.
>
>Oh God, yes. I have often thought I would like to
>cull the best stuff into an anthology of Hogalum wit
>and wisdom. I might just do that some day and compile
>it into a PDF doc.

You both are late in the game. This would be great as a book! Come up with a catchy title and send it off to the publishers!
Maybe title it : Tangent Ramblings of Men gone Mad! New York Bestseller!
Subject: Features and suggestions


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:37:34 06/04/02 Tue
As you can see, the board has emoticons. There are other design and layout options, so let me know what you would like to see and I'll try to figure it out.
[> Subject: Re: Features and suggestions


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 16:16:07 06/06/02 Thu
>As you can see, the board has emoticons. There are
>other design and layout options, so let me know what
>you would like to see and I'll try to figure it out.

Is there a way to see more than one message at a time?
[> [> Subject: Re: Features and suggestions


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:17:13 06/06/02 Thu
>Is there a way to see more than one message at a time?

I had it set to "compact" before. This setting is called "medium." There is also a "verbose" setting which shows ever single message and reply, but frankly, I find it hard to read. If anyone thinks that's a good idea, let me know and I will change it.
[> Subject: Re: Features and suggestions


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 08:42:47 06/14/02 Fri
This board has a "Confirm Message" function I can institute if you all like. After submitting the message, it gives you a chance to make corrections before posting. What say you all?

Also, we can post our pictures along with our messages, but it will be more cumbersome. I can set the Author field to permit html, and then you can enter any IMG SRC tag you want. A message confirmation function would be pretty handy under those circumstances.
[> [> Subject: Confirm Message Function


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 08:46:40 06/14/02 Fri
>This board has a "Confirm Message" function I can
>institute if you all like. After submitting the
>message, it gives you a chance to make corrections
>before posting.

This doesn't slow the posting process, by the way. The board already goes to a "This is what you did" page after you have posted. With confirmation, it will go to a "This is what you're about to do, are you sure?" page.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirm Message Function


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:31:20 06/14/02 Fri
"This is what you're about to do, are you
>sure?" page.

I say DO IT! Make it happen Ken! Stop dreaming out it, grow some balls and just DEE-OH IT!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirm Message Function


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 13:27:35 06/14/02 Fri
I vote yes for the message confirmation button, but no for the pictures (really needless in my opinion). Hey, who are you guys again? Is Jeff the one with the mustache and is Ken the bald one? I forget.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirm Message Function


Author:
Nelville Gutwrencher
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Date Posted: 15:41:27 06/14/02 Fri
>I vote yes for the message confirmation button, but no
>for the pictures (really needless in my opinion). Hey,
>who are you guys again? Is Jeff the one with the
>mustache and is Ken the bald one? I forget.
Kent, or am I Kent? Don't listen to him! I say we be allowed to place pics of us or of our alter egos. Hell, John's rarely on here unless a fight breaks out. I say those who monopolize the site should get the authority to make the calls. I want pics, and flowers and cute bunnies and Thomas Train and Mr Moose and lots of ping pong balls!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Confirm Message Function


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:20:30 06/14/02 Fri
>>I vote yes for the message confirmation button, but no
>>for the pictures (really needless in my opinion).

>I say we be
>allowed to place pics of us or of our alter egos.

Gentleman, please! It's a floorwax AND a dessert topping. The message confirmation is a Go, and you can place html tags in the subject and name fields if you want. If you don't want to, you don't have to. But PLEASE! Don't link to other pages as it is a security risk. This includes graphics and other content. If you want to put a picture next to your name, or use some whacked-out sicko emoticon, the image file so referenced should be on one of our pages. Anything else will cause this url to appear on someone's weblogs and our privacy will be compromised.

Also, please don't link to some monster graphic, as it will wreak havoc with this page's table-based layout. Also, you will slow the load time unnecessarily even if you resize with height and width properties. I will start getting very testy if I see anything bigger than 100 pixels in either direction, mainly because the page could become an unreadable pile of shit if this gets overdone. Agreed?

Jeff, if you are still whimpering in a corner at the prospect of using an ftp utility to upload your proposed graphics, send them to me and I will upload them to my Earthlink space. If you're not clear on the html to do this, just ask. By the way, I have recently changed ftp apps and I am in love with the new one. It's called ACE FTP, it is extremely moron-resistant, and you can download it free at visicommedia.com or c-net. Get off your ass and DEE-OH it!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Example


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:38:32 06/14/02 Fri
Here is what I put in the Name field:

<IMG src="http://www.calwriters.com/Hogalum/Ken_Icon.jpg"> Ken

Be sure to check your post before committing, and don't abuse this, please, for everyone's sake!
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Example


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:44:15 06/14/02 Fri
This picture is 36x56. After looking at it, I think anything bigger than this should be officially forbidden.
Subject: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 18:25:59 06/14/02 Fri
I assume from the posts over the last few weeks that:
John may not be able to attend due to finances, but can meet in Phoenix.
Jeff might be able to make it, I'm not sure, but Phoenix is okay with him.
Ken can make it, but is dead against Phoenix, because he lives there.
Curt can make it anytime and anywhere.

Is that right?
[> Subject: Re: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
jeff
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Date Posted: 20:48:18 06/14/02 Fri
>I assume from the posts over the last few weeks that:
> John may not be able to attend due to finances, but
>can meet in Phoenix.
> Jeff might be able to make it, I'm not sure, but
>Phoenix is okay with him.
> Ken can make it, but is dead against Phoenix, because
>he lives there.
> Curt can make it anytime and anywhere.
>
>Is that right?
[> Subject: Re: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:55:07 06/14/02 Fri
>I assume from the posts over the last few weeks that:
> John may not be able to attend due to finances, but
>can meet in Phoenix.

Yes, it will somehow be cheaper to stay free in Phoenix than it will be to stay free in Las Vegas.

> Jeff might be able to make it, I'm not sure, but
>Phoenix is okay with him.

As I recall, he was less than enthusiastic about staying in John's parents' toolshed.

> Ken can make it, but is dead against Phoenix, because
>he lives there.

And because Phoenix sucks, and because they are predicting one of the hottest summers on record, and because staying in different places will totally fuck the whole experience, and if we stayed in a Motel 6 it would still be more expensive than staying free at the Polo Towers.

> Curt can make it anytime and anywhere.

You would have to drive or fly further to get to Phoenix, of course.

(Is it pretty clear what I think about Phoenix?)
[> Subject: Re: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:02:42 06/15/02 Sat
From what I can tell now, I may not be able to attend this Summer. That may change, but I have to be up front about this now out of consideration to all of you. Also, we don't have to make this a Summer thing. Summer was the original plan for the first meeting to take advantage of the off-season rates in Vegas.

I suggested Phoenix because it seemed like an extremely easy alternative that would cost me about $20 to drive up and around for a few days. The free room in Vegas would cost me about $30 in gas (if I split with Ken) and the food, drinks, etc would run up another $200 or so. Also, I hate driving to Vegas as much as Ken hates living in Phoenix. Agreed, Phoenix is the anus of America, but apart from Jeff we all have a home base there. That was the point. Of course, you all know I prefer Amsterdam or Paris as the meeting place (when I have money) but we know that will never happen.

I didn't think I would get that much resistance to the Phoenix proposal since you guys made it clear in the past that I was the only one that seemed to want to go someplace where we could do fun stuff besides discussions.

Maybe we can work out some other venue suitable to all or meet in Vegas later. How long will that room be available. Also, isn't there some issue regarding sufficient space and only one bed in that room?
[> [> Subject: Re: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 20:36:57 06/15/02 Sat
>I suggested Phoenix because it seemed like an
>extremely easy alternative that would cost me about
>$20 to drive up and around for a few days. The free
>room in Vegas would cost me about $30 in gas (if I
>split with Ken) and the food, drinks, etc would run up
>another $200 or so.

I think the food, drinks, etc. would be about the same in Phoenix.

>Also, I hate driving to Vegas as
>much as Ken hates living in Phoenix.

I don't think that's possible, but I was going to spring for bus tickets anyway.

>I didn't think I would get that much resistance to the
>Phoenix proposal since you guys made it clear in the
>past that I was the only one that seemed to want to go
>someplace where we could do fun stuff besides
>discussions.

I never said that. I want a vacation, not a retreat.

>Maybe we can work out some other venue suitable to all
>or meet in Vegas later. How long will that room be
>available. Also, isn't there some issue regarding
>sufficient space and only one bed in that room?

I think Mr. Fadeaway said it was available thru November. I would rather sleep on a bed of nails in Vegas than stay in Phoenix for my vacation.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: So there won't be a Hogalumapalooza 2002?


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 09:26:22 06/17/02 Mon
The name's Curt, and it is available as late as November.
Subject: Hercules Unchained


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:05:37 06/19/02 Wed
My right arm and shoulder is KILLING me, I am in pain.
Oh, the pain.

I did some gestalt(sp)work on Monday night and now paying a heavy price. Kim has done some really mean and libel actions against me and used Hayden's godmother back in AZ to assist with their ploy of attempting to damage my character. I am now more sad, but I was LIVID on Monday!!! At the warrior meeting, I talked about this livid-ness. They asked me what did I want to do about it. Take a racket to a cushion? Stamp around? Give the livid anger a voice? I wanted-visualized taking globes of glass and smashing them against a brick wall. Each globe representing what I hated about Kim or the feeling I was wrestling with. A man did a great job of suggesting we go to the lodge fridge and grab the soda cans. Hey that sounded interesting. So we all pitched in grabbed six cold cans of soda and went outside. With each can I talked about the feeling and hurled it at the wall, each can obliterated, spewing soda all over the wall,the ground and on me. It was great! But I wasn't finished. My brothers gathered up rocks of various sizes, along the train tracks and parking lot and dumped them into a nearby 5 gallon bucket. I jettisoned them at the wall, and the nearby fence. I could see sparks as each rock connected to the metal fence post. With my last remaining strength, I grabbed the 2/3 empty bucket of rocks and hurled at the wall. It felt good to get that festering shit out. Now my arm is probably as sore at the fence post. I need a woman to feed me as I can barely move my arm.
Although I really shouldn't DO anything, I am open to hearing of ways to get back at Kim. (I received in the mail from the sheriff's dept. that the car(kim's) is suspended for not paying a 67.00 parking ticket. I have a mind to tell the office WHERE the car is and just wait as she continues to use the car every day. (This is the third letter that I have received and sent to kim, but like her, she ignores and does what she wants to do.)
I so want to strike back at this Iron Death Queen.
[> Subject: Re: Hercules Unchained


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:57:14 06/19/02 Wed
>I received in the
>mail from the sheriff's dept. that the car(kim's) is
>suspended for not paying a 67.00 parking ticket. I
>have a mind to tell the office WHERE the car is and
>just wait as she continues to use the car every day.



Do it!
Subject: Check your pulse


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 13:08:38 06/16/02 Sun
C'mon guys, let's play. There's got to be something interesting going on. And if my latest banner didn't make you spray milk out your nose, you must be dead.
[> Subject: Check your pulse


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 18:11:30 06/16/02 Sun
I'm dead.

Not much going on. I've been watching a load of movies lately, a few at the theatres but most on video on 2 for 1 rental days. I was about to write something up about them but instead I think I'll get my website up again and post a movie review page. That way no one need be bored by my ramblings unless they want to be.
[> [> Subject: Re: Check your pulse


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:40:19 06/16/02 Sun
>I'm dead.

That's a relief!

>Not much going on. I've been watching a load of movies
>lately, a few at the theatres but most on video on 2
>for 1 rental days.

Sounds like fun. I don't know if my TV works anymore, it's been so long since I had it on.

>I was about to write something up
>about them but instead I think I'll get my website up
>again and post a movie review page. That way no one
>need be bored by my ramblings unless they want to be.

I think you should do both. Get your website up and bore us;) By the way, have you recorded any more music since Bok Choy?
[> [> [> Subject: Sound + Vision


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 06:37:58 06/17/02 Mon
>I think you should do both. Get your website up and
>bore us;) By the way, have you recorded any more
>music since Bok Choy?

I've got 2 pieces partially done. I don't know if you'll care for them since they're both electronic-techno. I still like Bok Choy and I'm thinking about extending that piece. What do you think?

I rarely crack out the old Tangerine Dream but I'm playing the hell out of Paul Haslinger's latest. For those who don't know, Paul was a member of TD in the late '90's. He brought a lot of electric guitar into the mix but mainly followed TD tradition with mondo electronic keyboards. It turns out he's one hell of a composer with a very heavy ethnic slant. That's what is appealing to me so much. I love ethnic musics and that prompted me to do Bok Choy before I did anything else.

I toyed with a traditional Thai track, but I have to admit that their instruments are very limited and the color range of the Thai audio palette leaves me cold. Think Indonesian Gamelan with limited metal and predominant wood percussion. Not much to work with. I looked into it because I thought my Thai friends would get a kick out of it.

After I get the techno out of my system I will probably turn back to World Music again. I have an Ambient idea kicking around, too.

There's just so much to do. When I work on my website I'm so far behind in developing graphics, I end up putting things off. Now that work is dead I have a lot of time on my hands so I'll see just what I can achieve. I will try to resist the temptation to work on some music, then do a few graphics, then write a few reviews, then design some pages and finally run out of time before my trip ending up with nothing posted online.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sound + Vision


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 07:41:43 06/17/02 Mon
>>I think you should do both. Get your website up and
>>bore us;) By the way, have you recorded any more
>>music since Bok Choy?
>
>I've got 2 pieces partially done. I don't know if
>you'll care for them since they're both
>electronic-techno. I still like Bok Choy and I'm
>thinking about extending that piece. What do you think?

I like electronic-techno well enough. But I would leave Bok Choy alone. I thought it was just about perfect the way it was.

>I rarely crack out the old Tangerine Dream but I'm
>playing the hell out of Paul Haslinger's latest. For
>those who don't know, Paul was a member of TD in the
>late '90's. He brought a lot of electric guitar into
>the mix but mainly followed TD tradition with mondo
>electronic keyboards. It turns out he's one hell of a
>composer with a very heavy ethnic slant. That's what
>is appealing to me so much. I love ethnic musics and
>that prompted me to do Bok Choy before I did anything
>else.

That sounds good to me, TD+Guitar

>I toyed with a traditional Thai track, but I have to
>admit that their instruments are very limited and the
>color range of the Thai audio palette leaves me cold.
>Think Indonesian Gamelan with limited metal and
>predominant wood percussion. Not much to work with. I
>looked into it because I thought my Thai friends would
>get a kick out of it.
>
>After I get the techno out of my system I will
>probably turn back to World Music again. I have an
>Ambient idea kicking around, too.

How do you do this? Are you plugging in a midi keyboard or doing it all on your computer?

>There's just so much to do. When I work on my website
>I'm so far behind in developing graphics, I end up
>putting things off. Now that work is dead I have a lot
>of time on my hands so I'll see just what I can
>achieve. I will try to resist the temptation to work
>on some music, then do a few graphics, then write a
>few reviews, then design some pages and finally run
>out of time before my trip ending up with nothing
>posted online.

Don't be ridiculous. That could never happen!
[> Subject: Re: Check your pulse


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 09:32:48 06/17/02 Mon
Not dead, just not amused.
[> [> Subject: Re: Check your pulse


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:55:17 06/17/02 Mon
>Not dead, just not amused.

That's just because your head is smaller than everyone else's.
[> [> [> Subject: Humor?


Author:

Curt
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Date Posted: 03:09:58 06/19/02 Wed
>>Not dead, just not amused.
>
>That's just because your head is smaller than everyone
>else's.

I'm still not laughing, and I'm known for my sense of humor.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Humor?


Author:
Dr. Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:44:16 06/19/02 Wed
>I'm still not laughing, and I'm known for my sense of
>humor.
And what is THAT all about? It doesn't have anything to do with being the brunt of it Curt?
[> [> [> [> Subject: Humor (or the lack thereof)


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:19:44 06/19/02 Wed
>>>Not dead, just not amused.
>>
>>That's just because your head is smaller than everyone
>>else's.
>
>I'm still not laughing, and I'm known for my sense of
>humor.

Oh, why do I even try? Oh, boo hoo hoo!
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: It is funny, because I say so in a wry sarcastic way.


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 12:12:01 06/19/02 Wed
>>>>Not dead, just not amused.
>>>
>>>That's just because your head is smaller than
>everyone
>>>else's.
>>
>>I'm still not laughing, and I'm known for my sense of
>>humor.
>
>Oh, why do I even try? Oh, boo hoo hoo!

It was nice having this board and being able to sling my hilarious sarcasm without fear of
someone with a sense of humor noticing that none of it is really funny except in a
sad pathetic kind of way. So, stay off this board, Curt. Don't you know that
your decision to stay away forces me to respond with my own style of stale mocking?
We all think it's funny so that's reason enough to keep going with the amusing jibes.
I'm not done responding with righteous indignation, but I'm going to dramatically walk out because
I need to grab another smoke.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Kiss My Ass, Curt


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 12:36:45 06/19/02 Wed
[I have restored the (coughs) that didn't appear because Curt was so busy basking in paradise he forgot that putting them inside html brackets would make them disappear. -- Ken]

>It was nice having this board (cough) and being able
>to sling my hilarious (cough) sarcasm without fear of
>someone with a sense of humor noticing that none of it
>is really funny except in a
>sad pathetic kind of way. So, stay off this board,
>Curt. (cough) Don't you know that
>your decision to stay away forces me (cough) to
>respond with my own style of stale mocking?
>We all think it's funny so that's reason enough to
>keep going with the amusing jibes. (cough)
>I'm not done responding with righteous indignation,
>but I'm going to dramatically walk out because
>I need to grab another smoke.

Curt, I put up a banner, all in fun, that switched everyone's heads around. You had to make a point of saying it wasn't funny, which is your opinion. And in spite of your constant pompous bullshit about being above it all, you have now proved yourself to have tissue thin skin and a predilection for over-reacting to absolutely nothing. I'm sad and pathetic? I have no sense of humor? Time for a reality check, dickhead!
[> Subject: Re: Check your pulse


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:20:00 06/17/02 Mon
Paul Haslinger is also doing soundtrack work. There is a new movie coming out with he scored. Its a surfer movie with young girls hanging ten and riding the pipeline. 'Why Paul, Why????'

I believe John's second piece is titled "Chok Boy".
Here are those lyrics John. I believe I have captured the 'heart' of your next hit. I see ROCK VIDEO here my friend.

Chok Boy,
He's ready to take action
Chok Boy,
I don't mean genuflection
Chok Boy,
His big guns ablazin'
Chok Boy,
he leaves the women cravin'
for his love monkey
his crazy love monkey
blind wild mad monkey
monkey full of fun
monkey has love on the run

Chok Boy,
his gadgets are active
Chok Boy,
his monkey is radioactive
Chok Boy,
Secret Agent for freedom
Chok Boy,
Love em and Leave em'

with his love monkey
his crazy love monkey
blind wild mad monkey
monkey full of fun
monkey has love on the run
[> [> Subject: Lyrics


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 16:37:34 06/17/02 Mon
Jeff, don't quit your day job.
Subject: I believe its time for men to circle up


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 16:44:40 06/19/02 Wed
Hang on here. I believe we have something we need to focus on. Before anything happens I want a confirmation from each man that he is 'here' and 'present' and will keep in contact with this site EACH DAY til this is resolved. I want each man to acknowledge if he is IN.

I'm IN.
[> Subject: In, but not optimistic


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 17:08:59 06/19/02 Wed
>Hang on here. I believe we have something we need to
>focus on. Before anything happens I want a
>confirmation from each man that he is 'here' and
>'present' and will keep in contact with this site EACH
>DAY til this is resolved. I want each man to
>acknowledge if he is IN.
>
>I'm IN.

I'm game, Jefftortle, but I think you're probably wasting your time.
[> [> Subject: Re: In and seeking help


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 18:22:08 06/19/02 Wed
I'm in. I want to laugh again. I truly do. Help me find my sense
of humor again. Please. >:-(
[> Subject: Seriously


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 18:30:46 06/19/02 Wed
Okay, I was wrong in escalating the rhetoric. I just wasn't amused by a large picture at the top of the page that was supposedly only a simple quip in response to my "I'm not amused" post. It struck me as a little too much. Should I have made and posted a large banner mocking Ken instead of making the post I did? I hope this board can be a level playing field bereft of any journalistic slant. At least I'm hoping that becomes the case. I am not optimistic, however.
[> [> Subject: Have a cigar!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:06:41 06/19/02 Wed
>Okay, I was wrong in escalating the rhetoric. I just
>wasn't amused by a large picture at the top of the
>page that was supposedly only a simple quip in
>response to my "I'm not amused" post. It struck me as
>a little too much.

Perhaps it was a little too much, but your reaction was so far over the top there's no way I will ever believe that there wasn't something else huge behind it.

>Should I have made and posted a
>large banner mocking Ken instead of making the post I
>did?

Whatever. Send it to me and I'll post it myself.

>I hope this board can be a level playing field
>bereft of any journalistic slant. At least I'm hoping
>that becomes the case. I am not optimistic, however.

What are you talking about? Journalistic slant? Is there some competition of which I am unaware?

I thought it was obvious that the banners were pure corn. They were supposed to be entertaining for everyone. Do I have to put a disclaimer on them? I hope you didn't really send money to the Hogalum Fund, anyway. Honestly, if I struck a nerve somehow, I can't imagine what it could have been.

I suppose I should say at this point I don't really think Jeff is a turtle-like Hogemon. Any similarity is purely coincidental.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Have a cigar!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 21:00:22 06/19/02 Wed
Curt, portraying Ken and writing your statement is what I know as 'sidestepping'. Rather then deal with Ken face to face you 'retaliate' in a sneaky sort of way. I was/am confused as I didn't understand. I thought Ken was getting really pissed at you for no reason. I can say I was on the verge of mis judging Ken which is unfortunate as I had to ask Ken on the side what was 'his problem'.
Reading your message about your judgements that you thought Ken's humor at you was too much is your judgement. I invite you to go back at your remarks to Ken and see the judgements there. I believe you both need to clear with each other. We can begin with Ken THEN afterwards, Curt can clear with Ken. Lets don't put this off, let's do it NOW. So Ken, if you care to start, state to Curt Your Feeling-The Data-The Judgements then STOP there so Curt can reflect back.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clearing and sidestepping


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 20:28:33 06/20/02 Thu
I'll let him clear with me, no problem. I believe the clearing process to be helpful
to the initiator, who gets helped with their feelings by writing them down and then
being able to make some judments about what caused the other person to do such bad things without having their analysis challenged. I will parrot back what is typed, but I feel
that Ken's issues with me go WAY beyond what any number of clearings can do for him.
I will engage in the clearing because I think Jeff believes in the process, Ken might gain from it, and finally, all of us might learn even a little bit more about what's in our hearts.

Not that it's important, Jeff, but did you notice that my adopting Ken's personna in order
to post something was in response to his posting the "Boo hoo" message as me? Let's
keep the finger pointing to a minimun shall we?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Correction


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 22:01:11 06/20/02 Thu
By the way, I just now noticed that it looked to me that Ken's post "Have a cigar! -- Ken, 19:06:41 06/19/02 Wed" had been posted as me since my picture was shown above the post (when you open the post), even though my pict was only shown because the post was in response to my post which showed my picture. That might lead to my confusion. Look at it again and see what might happen when you're in a hurry. Whoops, sorry.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correction again


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 22:25:31 06/20/02 Thu
Correction again. Boy this board is tricky. In my last post, the post I meant to refer to was Ken's post "Humor (or the lack thereof) -- Ken, 10:19:44 06/19/02 Wed." It looked like it was from me, not the other ones. Aarrgh.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correction


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:05:29 06/21/02 Fri
>By the way, I just now noticed that it looked to me
>that Ken's post "Have a cigar! -- Ken, 19:06:41
>06/19/02 Wed" had been posted as me since my picture
>was shown above the post (when you open the post),
>even though my pict was only shown because the post
>was in response to my post which showed my picture.
>That might lead to my confusion. Look at it again and
>see what might happen when you're in a hurry. Whoops,
>sorry.

I just now figured out what you're talking about. Yes, that was me, posting as me. I was crying my eyes out because Curt didn't think my banner was funny.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Clearing and sidestepping


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:19:35 06/21/02 Fri
Alright Curt, you've expressed why you agree and see some benefit to the process. Lets focus up guys to the clearing. This is Ken's time, lets be mindful and respect the process. So, 'Reflect'(please don't use parrot) back to Ken his feelings/data and judgements.
Subject: impostors


Author:
John, yes the real John
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Date Posted: 01:20:45 06/21/02 Fri
I can't tell what the fuck is going on so I'll just shut up about who said what. When I adopt a silly pseudonym or even impersonate someone else I either leave a frickin' load of clues that it's me or I come out and admit it. I think posting as another one of us (as opposed to posting as Hitler or Madonna) should be ruled out here because the confusion is almost limitless. In fact, posting what seems like a serious message as another Hogalum seems downright malicious to me. Am I alone on this?
[> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 02:36:27 06/21/02 Fri
I agree. I posted as Ken in response to what looked liked a post by Ken as me. Confused yet? Then, I placed a correction up but indicated the wrong Ken post. Then I placed a second correction.
I would not have knowingly initiated the first posting as someone else.

I know now that Ken didn't and wouldn't have either.
[> [> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:30:01 06/21/02 Fri
I agree with John. I was completely confused and was about to ream Ken unnecessarily for what appeared to be insane ramblings. THATS MY TERRITORY. I've worked long and hard to establish such a rep. and NOONE is going to take that from me. With that said, I don't want to see anyone assuming the disguise of another hogalum except Dave. I don't care if my pic is manipulated or placed all over the friggin' screen, to me thats a sign of endearment. Lets be MINDFUL please. If someone does something, using Curt as an example, don't respond back with tit for tat, stop and ask...'what is going on with you?' Is this intentional? I'm hurt, were you trying to hurt me or is it something else?
ASK the questions, BE supportive...lets not put the gloves on and get into the ring.
I was able to stop myself this last time. I stated I was pissed and I wanted to clear....of course no one moved on it and sat around looking at clouds or bunnies or something....which guys I shouldn't be the only initiator of the clearing process. If I'm mad, I can't clear AND facilitate. Step up men!!
[> [> [> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:55:41 06/21/02 Fri
>I don't
>want to see anyone assuming the disguise of another
>hogalum except Dave. I don't care if my pic is
>manipulated or placed all over the friggin' screen, to
>me thats a sign of endearment. Lets be MINDFUL please.
>If someone does something, using Curt as an example,
>don't respond back with tit for tat, stop and
>ask...'what is going on with you?' Is this
>intentional? I'm hurt, were you trying to hurt me or
>is it something else?

I think that's good advice Jefftortle, but I hope I am clear that Curt using and modifying my picture is not the issue. It was the words in his post that pissed me off.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:06:54 06/21/02 Fri
>I think that's good advice Jefftortle, but I hope I am
>clear that Curt using and modifying my picture is not
>the issue. It was the words in his post that pissed
>me off.
Yes, Ken I understand. I was referring to John's statement/request. I understand its the words that has 'tickled your fancy'
[> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:44:07 06/21/02 Fri
>I can't tell what the fuck is going on so I'll just
>shut up about who said what.

You need to visit more often!

>I think posting as another one of us
>(as opposed to posting as Hitler or Madonna) should be
>ruled out here because the confusion is almost
>limitless.

I think it's throwing off the outline structure and making the board difficult to read. I would suggest including your picture only at the top of a new thread, since it is boxed and it is very clear who is who. I may experiment with a full-blown table structure for the page. I won't remove the html functionality, but I would request everyone use it most judiciously.

>In fact, posting what seems like a serious
>message as another Hogalum seems downright malicious
>to me. Am I alone on this?

I don't think Curt was being malicious by using my picture. If you read his message, it's clear that he wasn't trying to confuse anyone into thinking the post was actually made by me. He was pretending to me as rhetorical device and the picture was just part of that. But yes, the possibility of confusion is huge.
[> [> Subject: Re: impostors


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 13:09:13 06/21/02 Fri
Yes, that's it. Sorry all. Let's start all over.
Hello, my name is Curt and I post too quickly for my own good.
Subject: I have a request


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 22:49:11 06/22/02 Sat
I would appreciate it if I were not mentioned in banners for a while, or ever again.
I believe my irritation started with the fading out banner. Upon coming to this
new board, seeing that banner didn't make me feel welcome. Obviously, the intent
was supposed to be funny, it probably was for the rest of you, but I wasn't amused
by it after seeing it more than a few times. Yes, I know, those were effectively my
words, but throwing them back at me in graphic form is not the kindest thing to do.
I'll state my desire again, "I'd rather not be mocked in the majority of the banners."
Even the one up now that features Jeff, still asks Is this funny, Curt?"
How about we knock it off?

In regards to my issues with Ken's action, I have some. They are not issues of pent up anger, I just don't put up with being treated shabbily these days -- by anyone.
I am defensive against what I perceive as the stirrings of hazing or so-called
friendly jibes. I don't welcome them from friends, and I especially don't welcome
them from those whose relationship with me is already strained (for whatever reason).
I guess in Jeff's terms, I see a certain kind of asshole standing behind Ken. I've had
to deal with those kinds of assholes all my life, and I try to nip their snide derision
in the bud right away. I'm sorry Ken if you were the trigger for those defensive feelings.
It seems pretty clear that Ken's action were absent of malice, and his banners simply
pushed my buttons.
[> Subject: Re: I have a request


Author:
Jeff - Facilitator
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Date Posted: 23:45:38 06/22/02 Sat
Curt,

Please hold off and wait til after we are finished with Ken. It takes the focus and energy away from Ken's work. I am sure you would appreciate to have everyone being attentive while you share on your struggles.

I appreciate you taking the initiative and sharing what is bothering you. THANK YOU Curt. I can only imagine the desire to get this out of your system and be done with this or having the urge to get it 'on the table'.

I am also glad to see how quickly you see an issue past Ken and how he was the trigger to something you are angry about....please hold on as best you can.

I want to be able to focus on your clearing and your struggles as much as I am focusing on Ken's. I love you enough to NOT get two clearings going in order for effeciency.
Ok?
[> [> Subject: Re: I have a request


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 00:07:38 06/23/02 Sun
I don't accept your admonition, Jeff. I though we we're done.
The fact that this clearing process was still ongoing was not clear.
Let's continue with this thing. Whose turn is it, Jeff?
[> [> [> Subject: Re: I have a request


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 09:37:38 06/23/02 Sun
>I don't accept your admonition, Jeff. I though we
>we're done.
>The fact that this clearing process was still ongoing
>was not clear.
>Let's continue with this thing. Whose turn is it, Jeff?
Curt, I suggest you refer to the outline that Ken and I sent out and demonstrated. Your message reflected very well the next step, unfortunately its Ken's clearing. He needs to see behind you, he needs to ask for what he needs and he needs to hear from you what you can do.
Then when its over, he needs to feel 'complete' that he has finished the process for him.
Then if you feel strongly enough you can go through the process for yourself or choose not to.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: I have a request


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 14:24:47 06/23/02 Sun
I understand the process, Jeff, but like I wrote, I thought the
clearing had petered out since no postings were made. It's
a shame that this board is effectively offline whenever a
clearing takes place, but I'll wait until it's over to post again.
[> Subject: Re: I have a request


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 18:31:38 06/23/02 Sun
>I would appreciate it if I were not mentioned in
>banners for a while, or ever again.

Done.
[> [> Subject: Re: Done


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 19:11:21 06/23/02 Sun
Thank you, sir.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Done


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:58:49 06/23/02 Sun
You are quite welcome, old friend.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Done


Author:
jeff
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Date Posted: 07:54:57 06/24/02 Mon
Now stop it! I'm trying not to having fellow programmers see me crying here at work. :)
Subject: I need help


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 11:09:21 06/24/02 Mon
Guys, I need help. You don't have to respond unless you CAN help. I need to borrow a tape recorder with a mic jack so I can connect and phone mic and tape Kim's rantings and ravings.My lawyer and my therapist both recommend I do. My old one is unreliable and I only need it for a few months. If you have one and not using it, please send to me. Again, it needs to have a mic jack.
My attorney just fired off a letter to her attorney about her behavior and slanderous attempts, when she gets a copy she'll be ready to fire off some nasty remarks to me. I want to be prepared.
[> Subject: Re: I need help


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:16:47 06/24/02 Mon
Jeff, I'm afraid I don't have that kind of recorder around any more, but I have an idea. Go to RadioShack and pick up their $39.99 shoebox recorder (the kind that uses full-size cassettes -- not microcassettes -- and comes with the AC cord so you won't have to shell out for batteries) and their $24.99 telephone recorder switch. Don't waste your time with the $2.99 magnetic pickups -- they are useless. Plug the telephone recorder switch into the recorder (it plugs into the MIC and REM jacks) and the recorder starts and stops automatically every time you pick up the phone (that way you won't forget and miss that one call, and there is no tell-tale clicking sound on the line). Also pick up a 3-pack of low-noise normal bias tapes (about $2.99) and keep all of the packaging, manuals, cords, and the receipt. Use it for 29 days and return everything but the tapes to RadioShack for a refund. Then pick up another setup on your way home and do it again. I had literally dozens of people do this to me when I worked at RS, and it pissed me off but there was nothing I could do about it. Just keep everything in pristine condition and re-pack it all nice and neat and bring it back in the original bag. Don't tell the salesman why you are buying it or he will be expecting you to return it. Just get his name, and call ahead before you return it to see if he's in. If he's not, no other salesman will give a damn and they will write you a cheerful refund, no questions asked.
[> [> Subject: Re: I need help


Author:
Jeff-Secret Agent X 2002
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Date Posted: 07:30:56 06/25/02 Tue
Thanks Ken I appreciate the info. If I had the money, I'd do so;that is why I was asking to borrow. I just don't have it not when I'm paying 20.00 an hr to see my kids for 3 hrs each Sunday. If another man can loan me the recorder, then maybe I afford the special mic you suggested.
Subject: New Movie Trailer-Dare Devil


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 12:45:43 06/24/02 Mon
Check out the new Daredevil trailer.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/daredevil/
[> Subject: Re: New Movie Trailer- Daredevil


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 15:25:13 06/24/02 Mon
I saw that DD trailer at the theatre when I saw Minority Report, which was an excellent film.
The trailer was great, too.
[> [> Subject: Re: New Movie Trailer- Daredevil


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:01:46 06/25/02 Tue
>I saw that DD trailer at the theatre when I saw
>Minority Report, which was an excellent film.
>The trailer was great, too.
It looks cool and the director is a die hard DD fan, and Ben Affleck has always wanted to play DD. Whats great about this trend is the studios allowed these guys with passion for the characters and keep true to the comic run the show. Did you hear that they picked the actor to play Nightcrawler...I cant remember name but he was the 'villian' from Spy Kids. Plus their filming Hulk and Xmen2 and trying to get Ghost Rider up and going. Its the decade of Marvel...DC can't get their act together...except for Catwoman played by the Judd sister. Oh, and get ready for the new SOLARIS movie coming in Dec. The trailer is on the internet as well.
Subject: troubles


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:26:09 06/25/02 Tue
Has anyone else had trouble logging in to this site? Maybe I'm trying while Ken is posting a new banner and it won't let me in. Maybe the VoyForum servers suck. Maybe no one else is having trouble and I'm the victim of some personal web-vendetta of the Illuminati. Yeah, that's probably it. Never mind, guys.
[> Subject: Re: troubles


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:02:45 06/25/02 Tue
>Has anyone else had trouble logging in to this site?

Yes.

>Maybe I'm trying while Ken is posting a new banner and
>it won't let me in.

I don't think that's it.

>Maybe the VoyForum servers suck.

I think you're on to something there.

>Maybe no one else is having trouble and I'm the victim
>of some personal web-vendetta of the Illuminati. Yeah,
>that's probably it. Never mind, guys.

It's probably just some bad karma you picked up dropping chewing gum on an escalator.
Subject: Banner


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:22:21 06/25/02 Tue
I was so disappointed to see that the banner ad didn't link to the e-book version of my philosophical tract on ice cream. Damn! It seems the original manuscript was lost recently during a freak boating accident (but that's another story). Unless a copy can be found I fear that this work will be lost to the world. Oh, the humanity!

Thanks for all the fun, Ken.
[> Subject: Funnily Funny Fun Fun


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:06:40 06/25/02 Tue
>Thanks for all the fun, Ken.

Fun! Yes, fun! Jefftortle says, "I like fun!"
Subject: Curt, I need to clear with you


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:53:05 06/19/02 Wed
Okay, I was pretty angry, although not so much any more. Initially, when I first read your post "It is funny, because I say so in a wry sarcastic way," where you pretended to be me, I shot off the scale. Pissed, irritated, totally confused.

As I have said, I thought the banners were pure corn. I never intended anything more than a few yucks. I was a little irked that you felt the need to go out of your way to tell me that you didn't think the Interchangeable Heads banner was funny. Then when I put up the "We are not amused banner," you flew off the handle and totally took me by surprise.

My judgment is that you weren't really pissed off about the banner(s), or at least if you were, it was some kind of misplaced hostility that drove you to attack me. I feel that you've been nursing some latent hostility toward me for some time that you kept bottled up. Then, at the least provocation, you blew up.
[> Subject: Re: Curt, I need to clear with you


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:40:15 06/20/02 Thu
Alright Curt, Could you please repeat Ken's Feeling, the Data and his judgement?
[> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 21:05:59 06/20/02 Thu
Mirror:
Feeling - I understand you felt pretty angry, although not so much any more. When you read my post "It is funny, because I say so in a wry sarcastic way," where I pretended to be you, you got very angry and irritated and you say you had feelings of confusion in regards to it.

Feeling/Data - You also had intended the banners, including the one aimed at me to be just a joke. You relate that you never intended anything more than that. At that point you became irritated more that I responded to your "And if my latest banner didn't make you spray milk out your nose, you must be dead" post by saying that I didn't think them that funny. Then when you put up the "We are not amused banner," aimed at me, you believe that I flew off the handle and that perception totally took you by surprise.

Judgment - You feel that I wasn't angry about the banner issue, or that if I was angry about it I was only triggered from perhaps misplaced hostility or a frustration, and that that drove me to take actions that you judge to be an attack aimed at you. Finally, you feel that I have perhaps been nursing some latent hostility or frustration toward you for some time that I keep bottled up which has just now blown up at the most innocuous jibe aimed at me.



By the way, I just now noticed that it looked to me that Ken's post "subj: Humor?" seemed that it was posted as me since my picture was shown above the post (when you open the post), even though my pict was only shown because the post was in response to my post which showed my picture. That might lead to my confusion. Look at it again and see what might happen when you're in a hurry. Whoops.

[> [> [> Subject: Correction


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 22:06:58 06/20/02 Thu
Correction again. Boy this board is tricky. In my last post, the post I meant to refer to was Ken's post "Humor (or the lack thereof) -- Ken, 10:19:44 06/19/02 Wed." It looked like it was from me, not the other ones. Aarrgh.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Jeff-Facilitator
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Date Posted: 08:39:33 06/21/02 Fri
Thanks Curt.
Alright Ken, is that everything? Has Curt reflected back the feelings, the data and the judgements? Are there other judgements you need to add if Curt did you reflect all of them? Let us know Ken, then we'll move on to the next step.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:32:22 06/21/02 Fri
>Mirror:
>Feeling - I understand you felt pretty angry,
>although not so much any more. When you read my post
>"It is funny, because I say so in a wry sarcastic
>way," where I pretended to be you, you got very angry
>and irritated and you say you had feelings of
>confusion in regards to it.

Yes, that's right

> Feeling/Data - You also had intended the
>banners, including the one aimed at me to be just a
>joke. You relate that you never intended anything
>more than that. At that point you became irritated
>more that I responded to your "And if my latest banner
>didn't make you spray milk out your nose, you must be
>dead" post by saying that I didn't think them that
>funny. Then when you put up the "We are not amused
>banner," aimed at me, you believe that I flew off the
>handle and that perception totally took you by
>surprise.

Yes, but I wasn't irritated that you didn't think the Interchangeable Heads banner was funny. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. At the time, I never gave it a second thought. After your "wry, sarcastic" post, though, I reread the earlier posts and felt I detected a pattern of testiness that began before the "we are not amused" banner.

>Judgment - You feel that I wasn't angry about
>the banner issue, or that if I was angry about it I
>was only triggered from perhaps misplaced hostility or
>a frustration, and that that drove me to take actions
>that you judge to be an attack aimed at you. Finally,
>you feel that I have perhaps been nursing some latent
>hostility or frustration toward you for some time that
>I keep bottled up which has just now blown up at the
>most innocuous jibe aimed at me.

Yes, that's it. Incidentally, it wasn't the 'impostor' aspect that irked me. I felt it was clear that it was you posting and that it was just part of your characterization of me. It's the mischaracterization of me that I object to.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Jeff - Facilitator
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Date Posted: 13:25:23 06/21/02 Fri
>Yes, that's it. Incidentally, it wasn't the
>'impostor' aspect that irked me. I felt it was clear
>that it was you posting and that it was just part of
>your characterization of me. It's the
>mischaracterization of me that I object to.

Allright Ken, I believe you've made a few more clarifications to Curt's reflections.

I am now going to take a different step here. Ken, I invite you to take a look at the underlying feelings. What is underneath the anger. Anger can be a feeling typically used by men to mask some other hidden feeling. It may be a feeling that you Ken haven't touched upon yet. There is no hurry. I invite you to internalize and look within, explore what other feeling(s) are there.
You have agreed with Curt's reflection about how this incident is something that you judge to be an example of Curt's pent up feelings and releasing it in the way he did.

So, what is the feeling or feelings underneath the anger?
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:41:05 06/22/02 Sat
>You have agreed with Curt's reflection about how this
>incident is something that you judge to be an example
>of Curt's pent up feelings and releasing it in the way
>he did.
>
>So, what is the feeling or feelings underneath the
>anger?

Well, I have already said I was confused. Curt's acid diatribe seemed to come from out of nowhere. Looking back, I can see he was deadly serious when he was saying he was not amused, although I can't get a handle on why a couple of stupid banners would engender such a deadly serious response. At the time, I didn't think he was really trying to say that he had a sense of humor but I didn't, but that's exactly what he was saying. I thought he was just tossing out some dry responses, and I responded with more goofiness (that's just because your head is smaller than everyone else's), totally unaware that I was evidently ratcheting up his anger at me.

That bothers me, that my offhand remarks and silly graphics could be perceived as vicious attacks. It bothers me that instead of saying, "please stop," he would resort to attempting to convince me that I am some boorish lout with a propensity for confusing humor with personal attacks. And it bothers me that I so easily lit such a short fuse with such an enormous charge.

And, as I have said, I think that there is some issue Curt has with me that caused the situation to spiral out of control. If Curt knew me better, he would say, "oh that crazy Ken. Look at at that goofy shit!" But he immediately came to the judgment that I was trying to force him off this board with an acidic "journalistic slant" when nothing could be further from the truth.

So, I don't have a name for any of that, but that's what I felt. I apologize to Curt for whatever discomfort I caused, and I forgive him for his remarks, too. I don't think this little blow-up is anything in and of itself. I do think it is symptomatic of deeper problems, though.

Curt has said elsewhere on this board he thinks I have issues with him, and maybe I do. I'm willing to look at that.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Jeff - Facilitator
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Date Posted: 15:08:36 06/22/02 Sat
>Well, I have already said I was confused.>

>That bothers me....
>It bothers me...
>And it bothers me that...

Ken, your above descriptions were the only other mentions of feelings. The rest of your statement was more judgements and thoughts about Curt and whys and the how comes.

I'm asking you to get 'out of your head' of trying to analyze. You can do that later. I need you to focus on your heart. I am also asking you to better identify the feeling of 'bothers'. What is that? Bothers. Its very general and non descriptive. If you need help, look towards the basic five feelings - MAD,GLAD,SAD,AFRAID,SHAME. We know you were originally Mad, so pick another...bothers...is that sad?? Maybe a combination of Sad and Shame or afraid???
We need to focus on the core feelings. I am glad to hear that you are willing to look at what is the underlying issue(s). This will be the beginning of looking at what the REAL issue really is.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 20:46:34 06/22/02 Sat
>>Well, I have already said I was confused.>
>
>>That bothers me....
>>It bothers me...
>>And it bothers me that...
>
>Ken, your above descriptions were the only other
>mentions of feelings. The rest of your statement was
>more judgements and thoughts about Curt and whys and
>the how comes.
>
>I'm asking you to get 'out of your head' of trying to
>analyze. You can do that later. I need you to focus on
>your heart. I am also asking you to better identify
>the feeling of 'bothers'. What is that? Bothers. Its
>very general and non descriptive. If you need help,
>look towards the basic five feelings -
>MAD,GLAD,SAD,AFRAID,SHAME. We know you were originally
>Mad, so pick another...bothers...is that sad?? Maybe a
>combination of Sad and Shame or afraid???
>We need to focus on the core feelings. I am glad to
>hear that you are willing to look at what is the
>underlying issue(s). This will be the beginning of
>looking at what the REAL issue really is.

I am not an infant. My feelings can not be boiled down to mad, glad, sad, afraid, shame. My feelings and thoughts were both very complex, and I said I did not have a name for it, but explained my state of mind to the best of my ability. Perhaps you feel things that have no relationship to your thoughts, or think things that are totally unrelated to your feelings, but I expect that would be extraordinarily unusual. I think that anyone who takes a moment to read what I wrote will be able to understand what I was feeling without me punching out neat little tags with a labelmaker. Adding more to what I have said would be redundant or pure embellishment. Short answer is, sorry, but that will have to do.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Jeff - Facilitator
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Date Posted: 23:37:16 06/22/02 Sat
>I am not an infant.

No one said you are Ken. I have not even suggested such a thing.

My feelings can not be boiled
>down to mad, glad, sad, afraid, shame.

Ken, all feelings can be boiled down to the basic five.
My feelings and thoughts were both very complex, and I said I did not have a name for it, but explained my state of mind to the best of my ability.

Yes Ken, to the best of your ability. But if take a moment and take a step backwards and narrow it down and simply it, its easier to get to the whys.

Perhaps you feel....

Ken, your taking the focus off and now focusing on me and adding more of your thoughts and opinions.

...without me punching out neat little tags with a
labelmaker.

WHoa, starting and ending with, in my judgement, some hostility. Careful Ken. I'm not trying to treat you like a child or an ignorant man. Sometimes it is important to be redundant. This isn't about saying it once and away with it, its about looking at it, holding it, smelling it etc.
Which I forgot to ask you to do, so as a facilitator, I apologize for not taking the time to get a better feel of the intensity of your feeling of 'bothered'. Also as a facilitator I need to question and ask you these things...but its your work, you make the final decision. As a guide I'm just showing you different doors you might want to open as we walk down this hallway. (hope that helps)

Maybe that would help Ken as you find it difficult to explain bothered. Give it some texture and depth. I invite you to be open to other feelings as you try to describe this bothered feeling.

If you still stand with this feeling, I respect that and will ask you to see past Curt. (I see Curt kinds jumped the gun and will ask him to hold so we can focus here and be mindful of who is 'on the floor'.)
Ken, who do you see past Curt? As you see, describe the feeling that comes to the surface AS YOU WRITE.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 18:28:59 06/23/02 Sun
>If you still stand with this feeling

I do.

>I respect that
>and will ask you to see past Curt.

The only person I see past Curt Danhauser is Curtis Nedbal, the kid who thirty or so years ago began putting me down to boost himself up. I responded by putting him down to leapfrog ahead of him, and he came back with more and so on and so forth. This is not to say that Curt began it. In fact, it may very well have been me. The point is that neither one of us has ever stopped. I, for one, am goddamn sick and tired of it. If there is anything I want to get out of this, it is a recognition that Curt and I are frozen in a teenaged competition that has outlived its usefulness and the time has come to bury the hatchet.

Before you intercede again, Jeff, remember that it is Curt and I talking, and we do not need to translate everything into Jeff-approved lingo to communicate our feelings. Curt may not agree with what I have said above, but he damn well knows what I mean.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 19:26:06 06/23/02 Sun
I wish I did know. We did begin to do that some time ago, but I believe it
was more recent. We were pretty close from 1973 or so until after 1977.
You began to move in a different circle that I did, and I believe that's when you began
to become displeased and/or angry with me. But we didn't see much of each
other and so the friction wasn't that obvious. I believe we might have hung out
at summertime, but I can't remember. Then when you came to work at Mann's
(circa 1980-1981) all hell broke loose.
It was never the same since then. We've hurled barbs back and
forth, but just because we were teenagers and didn't know any better. I don't believe
we did it to boost ourselves up, but just to say clever retorts and impress our
audience.

In any event, yes, I agree it has gone on for too long. Let's bury the hatchet.
Thanks for sharing this, Ken.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here goes


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:56:24 06/23/02 Sun
>I wish I did know. We did begin to do that some time
>ago, but I believe it
>was more recent. We were pretty close from 1973 or so
>until after 1977.

You might be right about that. I can't remember specifically. Old age, I guess.

>You began to move in a different circle that I did,
>and I believe that's when you began
>to become displeased and/or angry with me. But we
>didn't see much of each
>other and so the friction wasn't that obvious. I
>believe we might have hung out
>at summertime, but I can't remember. Then when you
>came to work at Mann's
>(circa 1980-1981) all hell broke loose.
>It was never the same since then. We've hurled barbs
>back and
>forth, but just because we were teenagers and didn't
>know any better. I don't believe
>we did it to boost ourselves up, but just to say
>clever retorts and impress our
>audience.

Yes! We both have always had to have the last word, and we both have a talent for put-down humor (in addition to our ample talents with other brands of humor). Even though it may not have been designed to inflict injury, I believe it did. I believe it has left a lasting impression on us both. The worst part is that our paths diverged and we never came to this understanding when we were younger. Then we met again, years later, and this pocket of animosity had evidently been preserved in all its pungent acidity. We couldn't talk to each other without the other expecting another smart-aleck remark, or worse, seeing smart-aleck remarks hiding inside perfectly innocuous statements. And I think we probably have tried to beat the other guy to the punch, and gotten things rolling without any provocation whatsoever. So, here we are, forty years old and still sawing on the same log. Probably irritates the hell out of John and Jeff, too.

>In any event, yes, I agree it has gone on for too
>long. Let's bury the hatchet.

Well, it might not be so easy. After all, you are a pluperfect asshole at times - wait a minute, strike that -- seriously, we've been doing this a long time. Even if we both shake hands, it will be hard to know for certain that any given innocuous remark doesn't really contain a cleverly concealed zinger. Anyway, I am eager to begin anew if you feel the same way.

>Thanks for sharing this, Ken.

You held up your end of the bargain as well. Thank you. And thanks to Jeff, too. We've bitten your head off a couple of times along the way, but I think you have us on the right path.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sorry Ken


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 00:36:58 06/24/02 Mon
Sounds good. I agree with it all. I'll try not to look for hidden slights in
your comments, and we can be civil. Thanks Jeff for the facilitation.

Ken, I have something that I'd like to tell you. It is about the time when we
snuck into Mrs. Rogers' (Engligh teacher's) room at R.E. Simpson.
I know that after it happened we didn't talk that much about it.
Probably because we were so ashamed of ourselves and sad. I was a little
kid, and was terrified of being caught, but I am really sorry that you were
caught and I wasn't. It bummed me out, but my saddness was probably
nothing compared to what you felt. At that early age you had to go through
some real hell, and I'm sorry that it happened. We were definitely some
trouble-making kids. that's for sure. I don't know what got into us. In a way,
one or both of us getting caught did have a sobering effect and definitely
put the kibosh on any future shennanigans we might have done.
Once again, not that it will help after all these years, but I'm sorry.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sorry Ken


Author:
jeff-facilitator (in tears)
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Date Posted: 07:52:18 06/24/02 Mon
Thank you Curt and Ken, for sharing of yourselves, for having the courage to look at,in my judgement, a very big shadow wrapped around the two of you. You both can easily fall into old ways, it does take time but the biggest accomplishment for you both is awareness. I believe you will be more aware of the past hurt and anger, and when you begin to walk those same steps, you have a better chance of realizing what you are doing then make the decision to change.
Good work. I am proud of you both.
I want you both to know that as a facilitator, I am guilty of over protection, especially when we are all new at this. All of you may begin to feel irritated regarding my stepping in at times or feeling like I'm translating....its not to appear like the referee or that either of you are inept to communicate...I just want to be careful and I love you both and don't want the process to get out of hand and all hells breaks loose. Even if I have to clear....I may get stuck or not sure or feeling uneasy....I need a man to be able to reassure safety and trust. Thanks Ken for recognizes my receiving a few jabs, it can happen, especially when the feelings are strong and a man wants to let it all out. (I feel like I'm rambling as I sit here tearful after reading your last messages.)

So, to finalize and wrap up....Ken, do you feel complete? Are you clear wit Curt? Is there anything else you need to add? Most important - How do you feel now?
Curt - IF Ken is complete, do you still need to clear with Ken?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sorry Ken


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:39:37 06/24/02 Mon
>So, to finalize and wrap up....Ken, do you feel
>complete? Are you clear wit Curt? Is there anything
>else you need to add? Most important - How do you feel
>now?

I'm fine, although there is more I could add. Unfortunately, I am completely out of time and on my way to work. More later. (I think I'll start a new thread before this outline cracks the right side of my screen).
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Sorry Ken


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:19:17 06/25/02 Tue
>about the time when we
>snuck into Mrs. Rogers' (Engligh teacher's) room at
>R.E. Simpson.

>Once again, not that it will help after all these
>years, but I'm sorry.

Thanks, Curt. In all honesty, it wouldn't have helped then, either, You had nothing to apologize for then or now.

That rat bastard janitor was the one who made things difficult. You know he ripped off that classroom and blamed it on us. Then again, we were breaking and entering.

I look back on that as my first real moral dilemma. I didn't want to implicate you, and I stuck to my guns, and it felt good. I didn't know that rat bastard was going to pull his little rip-off stunt and that I would end up being summoned to juvenile services, but I would do the same thing all over, anyway (not ratting you out, that is).

I enjoyed the counselling sessions I was sent to, and I think I benefited some, too, all at taxpayer expense! At any rate, I certainly have never blamed you for any of it.

I'm glad you got it off your chest if it's bothered you at all, though.
Subject: The fascinating world of linguistics


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 01:55:47 06/26/02 Wed
Little Johnny goes to school and the teacher says, "Today we are going to learn multi-syllable words, class. Does anybody have an example of a multi-syllable word?"

Johnny waves his hand, "Me, Miss Rogers, me, me!"

Miss Rogers says, "All right, Johnny, what is your multi-syllable word?"

Johnny says, "Mas-tur-bate."

Miss Rogers smiles and says, "Wow, Johnny, that's a mouthful."

Johnny says, "No, Miss Rogers, you're thinking of a blowjob."
Subject: A strong vocabulary is important


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:04:22 06/26/02 Wed
This one sort of combines the classroom and blonde joke genres.

This teacher tells her fourth grade class that the word of the day is "contagious." She asks if anyone can use this word in a sentence, and several kids stick up their hands. "Carl," she says. Carl says, "My dad told me to stay away from kids with mumps, 'cause they're contagious.'" "Very good," says the teacher.

Then she picks Suzie, who says, "The atmosphere was contagious," and the teacher says, "Excellent, Suzie!" Then she notices that little Johnny has his hand up, at the back of the class. "Yes, Johnny?" she says. Johnny says, "The other day, me and my dad's sittin' around, and we saw our blonde neighbor painting her fence. She had a tiny little model car paintbrush, and she was going in tiny little strokes up and down the fence, and my dad says to me, "Fuck, it's gonna take that cunt ages to finish painting that fence."
Subject: Is this board working? Where is everyone?


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 00:14:35 06/30/02 Sun
[> Subject: Here!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 19:00:35 06/30/02 Sun
Hey, yes, the board is working. I don't know where everyone is. I see John posted some jokes. Jeff seems to have disappeared as he sometimes does. I am just working a lot and trying to write. I gave up on having a get-together this year and put in for some vacation time in July. So that's about it for me. What's up with you?
[> [> Subject: Re: Here!


Author:
Home Jay
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Date Posted: 20:45:02 06/30/02 Sun
Hey Mutha Fuckas, your home boy Jay, is around. I've been checkin the site each day but you jive mutha fuckas aren't writing much of anything so I been playin it cool. I've had a date every night since mutha fuckin Wed. All have gone well for this bad ass. First dates, some with a kiss, and some with some serious tongue have all come my way. They will ALL be producing more dates. All kinds my friends from real estate women to up and coming doctor. Total of SIX Ladies on my new black book. Flip your raw hamburger asses over, cause somethin burnin.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Here!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:16:49 06/30/02 Sun
>Hey Mutha Fuckas, your home boy Jay, is around.

Thanks for checking in, John. I liked your jokes, too!
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here!


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 23:48:02 06/30/02 Sun
>>Hey Mutha Fuckas, your home boy Jay, is around.
>
>Thanks for checking in, John. I liked your jokes, too!

I know it's hard to believe that the post about getting all of those ladies isn't from irresistible me. Yes, who would have guessed that Jeff can get a date, but he was the one posting about all that tongue action.

I've had a cute young Mexican woman at the hotel chasing after me, flirting, hinting and asking co-workers about me, but I'm not on the market anymore. Maybe that will change if things don't work out with Aoy this month.

I'm flying out on the 8th and I'll be back on August 9th. I'll be checking my email and this board while I'm over there, so don't hesitate to write.

Ken, I'm glad you liked the jokes. They weren't the best, but I remember that you had dozens of good ones flying fast and furious in Vegas and I was hoping that you would break out with some more.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Here!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:45:36 07/01/02 Mon
>I know it's hard to believe that the post about
>getting all of those ladies isn't from irresistible
>me.

I thought it must have been you, especially with that very authentic urban lingo you are famous for.

>Yes, who would have guessed that Jeff can get a
>date, but he was the one posting about all that tongue
>action.

Well, if Jeff is known for anything, it's tongue action.

>I've had a cute young Mexican woman at the hotel
>chasing after me, flirting, hinting and asking
>co-workers about me, but I'm not on the market
>anymore. Maybe that will change if things don't work
>out with Aoy this month.

I wish you the best of luck, John. With Aoy, that is.

>I'm flying out on the 8th and I'll be back on August
>9th. I'll be checking my email and this board while
>I'm over there, so don't hesitate to write.

Safe journey! Don't forget to set all the cybercafes' home pages to Magnetron. I still get hits from Thailand, which just goes to show what I always say: Thai people love Magnetron!

>Ken, I'm glad you liked the jokes. They weren't the
>best, but I remember that you had dozens of good ones
>flying fast and furious in Vegas and I was hoping that
>you would break out with some more.

I pretty much shot my wad then. Alcohol has an amazing effect on my ability to remember jokes.

I have a question for you about Thailand I am hoping you can answer. Do black people there insist on being called African-Thai? I have often wondered about this. I also wonder if in England they prefer to be called African-English, African-British, or perhaps African-European. And another thing: In South Africa, are they African South Africans or South African Africans? The mind reels, eh?
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Author:
Jeff aka Mr. Tongilingus
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Date Posted: 13:31:27 07/01/02 Mon
>Well, if Jeff is known for anything, it's tongue
>action.

Bastard!

>I wish you the best of luck, John. With Aoy, that is.

Same here John, please keep us posted on the visa process.

>Safe journey! Don't forget to set all the cybercafes'
>home pages to Magnetron. I still get hits from
>Thailand, which just goes to show what I always say:
>Thai people love Magnetron!

Very clever! What about Thai women Love Pung?

>I pretty much shot my wad then. Alcohol has an
>amazing effect on my ability to remember jokes.

Now, lets be mindful Mr. Foster. Lets stay away from remarks referring to Alchohol-telling jokes-laying next to Jeff and shooting your wad....I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear it!

>I have a question for you about Thailand I am hoping
>you can answer. Do black people there insist on being
>called African-Thai? I have often wondered about
>this. I also wonder if in England they prefer to be
>called African-English, African-British, or perhaps
>African-European. And another thing: In South
>Africa, are they African South Africans or South
>African Africans? The mind reels, eh?

Ken, the answer is easy: They are all NON-Americans. "Afri-what???? I don't understand. Are you American?"
"No, I am Afri..."
"Oh, your NON-American. Thank You"
"No, you see...."
"Thank You"

Ken, I think we should SERIOUSLY consider developing and distributing Hogalum Membership Cards. Yes, people of the world can become an official card carrying Hogalum Initiate (H.I. for short) Initiates will receive coupons for discounts of Hogalum products, receive The Official Hogalum Society Chronicle(included is a favorit recipe column from Mrs. MacKensie), A Hogalum Society-Gentlemen's Condom, Children will receive an Official Miscreant Detection Ring and an authentic PUNG meditative Mat.
The world need not fret for borders and differences...all be be Hogalum loving fans OR is it helps, people can identify themselves as Southern-Hogalum, Eastern Hogalum, Central Hogalum etc. There...next problem to solve?
Subject: Ken's unacceptable behavior - AGAIN


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:52:36 07/01/02 Mon
What the hell is the deal?
Its past 2:00PM and no Magnetron updated chapter. This is totally unacceptable. I paid good money for this and I'm getting shit! This is insane? Where's the manager? I want to speak to someone in Customer Support?
I didn't know this site was making so much money that the 'team' can afford such digressing service.
I want a refund.....A REFUND I TELL YOU!
[> Subject: Consume Feces and Perish!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 01:08:10 07/02/02 Tue
[> [> Subject: Osculate my buttocks!


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:03:22 07/02/02 Tue
Subject: YOU FUCKING BASTARD!!!!!


Author:
TAH
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Date Posted: 21:44:54 07/03/02 Wed
Ken, You are too fucking funny. I laughed outloud you mutha fucker.
FOSTER, HOW DID YOU GET TO BE SO GODDAMN FUNNY?
You told me to staff Sargent?
FOSTER, YOU ARE A GODDAMN GENIUS. IF YOU WEREN'T AN ENLISTED MAN I'D RECOMMEND YOU FOR VEGAS COMEDIANSHIP.
Thank you staff sargent?
CARRY ON FOSTER!
(Ken we need more emoticons...laughter and other ones)
Subject: I'll have what Ken's drinking


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John
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Date Posted: 00:08:25 07/04/02 Thu
What the hell are you thinking, Ken?

Well, I can see what's been keeping you so busy lately.
Subject: Well at least I am signing in


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Jeff
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Date Posted: 20:46:14 07/06/02 Sat
I watched The Third Man - Half way through I wanted to strangle the bastard playing the fucking guitar. Reminds me of the cheese sketch. Hey, anyone watch Spalding Gray's Monster in a Box? Great Monologue....loved it!!
Detroit Rock City was funny. Has ANYONE seen any hysterically funny movies??? Watching StrangeLove now...nothing else going on...totaly broke so I'm laying low...no dates...and doing organizational work for the Boys to Men group.
Pretty dull over on this end of the world.
[> Subject: re: laying low


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 22:01:02 07/06/02 Sat
All that dating can be a real strain on the finances, not to mention all of your new legal costs. Hang in there, Jeff.

I've been laying low, myself. After locating a particularly comfortable geological syncline I settled in and rented a bunch of movies. I'm sorry I can't recommend any hilarious movies at the moment. It seems that they stopped making them a few years back. Hollywood found that it's much easier to pay some 3rd rate hack to write a script full of drivel and then just slap that on the screen. It seems the average movie goer will fork over their $7.50 for this shit as frequently as they would for a truly funny film. Just think of all the man hours saved in not having to produce a quality film!

Instead of finishing my website and posting my film reviews I sat around the apartment playing computer games. I guess I'll throw out a few viewing recommendations here in the mean time. I'm rating them 1=steaming excrement to 10=film of the gods. I hope these help, Jeff.

Sexy Beast (4): The much touted new film staring Gandhi, er, I mean Ben Kingsley. I think he's a great actor and I rented this to see his performance. Unfortunately, I hate films and TV shows about doctors, lawyers, and mob guys. If you like films about mob guys, then you'll love this one. A punter who made it in the dark trade has settled into a nice Spanish villa with his bird and wants to retire from the game. Ben plays the psycho "enforcer" for the mob back in England who flys out to Spain to get our man for a new job. Every one's terrified of Ben and no one wants to say no to him. Our boy tries to back out without igniting Ben's short fuse, without success. Ben's performance is fantastic (yes, this is the same man who played Gandhi!), but the subject matter just didn't appeal to me. Most others would rate this film higher.

Instead of writing 30 reviews only to have them lost by accident before I can post, I will break them up into multiple posts.
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Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 01:07:31 07/08/02 Mon
Yes, we have....I am still not getting laid yet. Weeeee. Now I am at 13 women!!!! Read this little tidbit:
"Yes, you are correct, I have gotten many letters and it
is indeed a difficult task to "weed" them out. I
guess, being a women that has 2 eyes, a nose in the
right place and less than 200 lbs on the internet
makes me a little popular. You have, however,
expressed yourself on a level that most men on the
internet do not. You seem to be a very deep,
emotional man. I would like to talk to you more."

Well on she goes....and I will respond with much thanks to her taking the time. My feelings of appreciation and enthusiasm as we begin the wonderful journey of sharing who we are by reaching out on a level of dicovering our authentic selves. Sharing our feelings....seeing our core selves....then we rip our clothes off and fuck like monkeys!!! Oh, the beauty of it all!
I tell ya....I believe I maintain a 30% response from the women I email. Out of those.....half I can arrange to meet in person within two weeks. I say at least 1 to 2, I'll could be having sexual relations soon. This is SO fucking unreal. I have sent 10 emails out to women in Mass. since I'll be there for a week training in AUg. If I get one woman to agree to meet and hang out with me while I'm there, in the hopes that I'll move out there. I will shit my pants......not I haven't done it before. I did it successfully with one woman in Sedona and one in Phx. Damn, I gotta get to sleep.
Subject: More films


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 22:22:53 07/06/02 Sat
John's film reviews with new and improved inane ranting!
Ratings are (1)=vile, smelly nastiness to (10)=an orgasmic delight.

Following (7): The first film from the writer/director of Memento (9). (Surely you guys know about the big hit Memento? I'll supply a review of that if asked.) This little black and white gem may be a bit rough around the edges due to beginner's budget constraints, but it is well conceived, written, directed and acted. You can see the connection with Memento in the fragmented time-frame. The main character is a struggling writer living alone in a depressing little London flat. Unable to write much, or sit in isolation for long, he sets out to observe strangers in the city for inspiration. He makes it into a game of following someone, anyone, to watch what they do and where they go. One day he follows a seemingly clean cut guy down a few streets and into a cafe. Writer sits a few tables away waiting to pick up the trail when his subject leaves, but the guy knows he's being tailed and confronts Writer who has to explain what the hell he's been up to. The guy was worried because he does something similar, but more extreme. He breaks into houses when people are away to see how they live and to play little mind games with them. Writer is intrigued and soon joins him on these adventures. The film has some wonderful twists and turns, a truly original concept, and some thought provoking dialog.
[> Subject: Japanimation


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 22:42:09 07/06/02 Sat
Metropolis (3): No, not the great silent film from Fritz Lang. This is the animated version of the manga by Tezuka. First, a little background. Tezuka was one of the greats of Japan's comic industry, pioneering much of the style that makes it what it is today. I think he started back before WWII. He had found a picture book of the film Metropolis, but didn't know the story or ever see the actual film. Those images inspired him to create his own story set in the future about a titanic metropolis, a robotic woman, and a power struggle between the ruling elite and the commoners that live down below. Even though I don't really like the style of manga I was excited to see what could come from this interesting genesis.

The artwork is truly astounding. The settings and objects are rendered with skill and beauty--astounding. The characters look like stupid big-eyed manga dolls--astounding. Why produce a rich and varried environment only to populate it with crappy comic figures? Since I'm not Japanese I can't answer that one.

But what about the story? Well, it seemed like it was written by a comic book artist instead of a writer. Wait, it was! Hmmmm. What I'm trying to say is that there is precious little story, almost no characterization, and a lot of boring scenes set in glorious animation. Unless you're a die hard anime fan, pass this one up.

In case you're wondering, there are many Japanese animated films I do like that use more realism in depicting the human form. Also, one of my favorite films is Princess Mononoke.
[> Subject: Asoka


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:58:37 07/07/02 Sun
Asoka (7): There should be a horizontal line over the s to make the pronounciation Ashoke. This is an Indian film about the life of King Asoka, the first ruler to adopt Buddhism. If that doesn't sound interesting to you, don't give up yet. You see, this is an Indian film. Although Buddhism originated near India in Nepal and was eventually taken up by King Asoka, over time Hinduism regained dominance again and today India is primarily Hindu. So, the filmmakers, being Hindu, are much more interested in Asoka's bloody and lusty past. In fact, this film ends just as he strides across the last battlefield viewing the senseless carnage and realizing that he will give up his warrior ways and accept Buddhism. So... if you like power struggles to gain the throne, adventures to woo beautiful maidens, swordplay, and battles with war elephants then you've come to the right film.

Another facet of being an Indian film is that there will be a number of song and dance numbers resembling Indian pop MTV. It's pretty strange, but entertaining in a novel kind of way. If you want to see an exotic alternative to the standard Hollywood widget then give this a chance.

The absolute best thing about this film is the actress who plays the king's second wife, the one who is Buddhist. She is one of the most amazingly beautiful women I have seen in my lifetime. A true goddess. I'm not talking about the woman on the video cover who plays his first wife.
[> Subject: Brotherhood of the Wolf


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:04:00 07/07/02 Sun
Brotherhood of the Wolf (Le Pacte des Loups) (6): A French action/horror/mystery film. The film is inspired by the mysterious deaths attributed to the "Beast of Gevaudan" in France during the 18th century. I wish I could tell you more about the beast, but I never heard about it before this movie came out and I don't know the facts or the legend.

In this film the locals believe their land cursed by a werewolf and the main character is a French naturalist who has come to disprove the monster hypothesis and get to the bottom of the mystery. He is accompanied by his Indian friend from French Canada. I guess his tribe had developed some form of martial arts because he spends most of the movie kicking the shit out of people in kung fu fashion. However, this particular detail doesn't stretch the coveted suspension of disbelief quite as much as the dramatic conclusion does.

I was thoroughly enjoying the first hour of this film and given the strong opening I was hoping it would stay consistant thus earning a spot on my all time favorites list. This film almost got there. Then in an attempt at being clever and unpredictable it went all to hell as the mystery turned out to be... well, some of you may want to see this and so I will not spoil it for you.

The setting is good, the premise is great, the opening attack scenes of the beast are horrifying, the main characters are interesting, and the filmmaking is skillful. If only they could have crafted a better ending to the script. Mon Dieu, they came so tantilizingly close to making a horror masterpiece.

I've heard this film compared to The Ghost and the Darkness about the hunt for two man-eating lions in Africa, but I believe this film is much more like The Hound of the Baskervilles. No, the mystery is no where near as clever as one concocted by Arthur Conan Doyle, but BotW reminded me of all of those poor attempts to film that great Holmes mystery. This film tries trick the viewer with astounding revelations at the end, but the who-dunnit just doesn't prove satisfying, or plausible. Pity.
[> Subject: a whole new world of films


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 03:17:37 07/07/02 Sun
I have to admit that I don't watch much television. In fact, I think during an entire month my viewing goes something like this: see 3-4 episodes of Mad TV, catch a couple of Now shows with Bill Moyers, watch Nova or Frontline (but only if the subject interests me), and check out the latest episode of Travels in Europe with Rick Steves.

So, when I moved last September I decided to redirect the $468/year cable TV bill toward my travel fund. Let's see, $39 a month for basic cable that I don't watch much of or a trip to Thailand? My courier flight is only $400 during peak Summer travel season and cheaper or free during the rest of the year. Easy choice.

I do admit that when I had cable I did watch something every couple of days, primarily Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, Travel Channel and Comedy Central. The choice to drop cable was made much easier because the company here only includes the Sci Fi channel in their Premium Digital Package. The prices are already insulting enough, so I refused to continue supporting the greedy cable bastards.

Do I even need a TV? Hell, yes! I still have a VCR, a laser disc player and DVD. When I want cheesy TV I pull out an old episode of Mystery Sciene Theatre 3000. God I love that show. I collected about 30-40 when I had cable. I also have a few other shows and of course my movies. I wish I had Babylon 5 on tape. I have a few of the movies, but none of the episodes like Curt does. Maybe I can borrow some of those some day, eh Curt?

When I want a little cheap home entertainment I read or I rent a movie. Now that I'm broke and living alone again I have A LOT OF TIME AND NEED FOR CHEAP ENTERTAINMENT. I've been averaging about 10-14 movies per week for the last six months thanks to 2for1 rentals on Tue & Wed.

I am fortunate to have the best damn video store only a couple of miles away. They have adopted DVD with a vengeance and if it has been released in that format this store will have it. They also take suggestions on purchases and I'm told that if you ask for it and it's made on video the store will buy it. So far they've purchased all of the 20 odd films I've requested. They have an incredible foreign film collection too.

Well, given the rate at which I am watching these things it's only natural that I would eventually have to find new film frontiers to conquer. One day, in despiration for something new and unusual I looked through the Hong Kong section. No, I'm not a big Jet Li fan and although Bruce Lee was an amazing man I don't care for his films. I'm also not terribly interested in seeing a Chinese version of a Quentin Tarentino shoot'em up film, which seems to be what about half of the films in this section looked like. However, the other half dealt with sword wielding warriors and chinese mages. They looked like fun, and to my surprise they truly were!

One of my favorite films (before discovering Hong Kong films) is Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I bought the DVD the day it came out. I had never seen a movie like it before and I loved every moment of it. Well, now I have found the origins of this film in the Hong Kong cinema. This is a world of magic. Chi energy (as in Tai Chi, accupuncture/accupressure, and Feng Shui) is real. People can fly, carried by the power they have mastered. Kung fu is made deadlier by mystical forces. Ghosts and monsters exist. It's all very much like a Hercules film or Jason and the Argonauts, but here we're dealing with Chinese myths instead of Greek.

My first rental turned out to be one of the best of them all, Chinese Ghost Story III. My reasoning went something like this. I wanted something with the supernatural and not just fight scenes. Any film worth making sequels to probably has something going for it (I admit this isn't a strong argument) and so the Chinese Ghost Story films were probably popular with the audiences. Parts I & II were usually rented which is also a good sign. Being a purist I would normally dread spoiling a good series by watching it out of order but I have to admit that with no previous experience with these films I had rather low expectations and didn't really care what got spoiled because I thought I would never get around to seeing the others.

I loved this movie. I give it a strong (9). The surprising thing about this series and most of the Hong Kong films is the excellent humor laced throughout. The films are fantasy and just when they are about to take themselves too seriously they are saved by some fine humor.

I've learned a great deal about Chinese myths and folklore by watching these films. Their culture is incredibly different from ours and when you begin to watch these films or read their stories it will seem almost like learning about people on another planet. I love this aspect, as well.

I ended up watching parts I & II also, all in reverse order and I can tell you that this is the best way to see them! The story doesn't evolve from film to film. Essentially, everyone loved the first film and so they made more in the same mold, making them better and funnier. If you really like number III then watch the other two for more of the same, but know that they will not be quite as good as the last.

The idea is that our main character seeks shelter in an old abandoned temple and encounters the ghost of a beautiful woman whose spirit is bound to the earth because the evil villain has not laid her ashes to rest, but holds them in a secret place thus controlling her to some extent for evil purposes. The ghost is played by the gorgeous Joey Wang in all three films. The evil sorcerors are always great villains and the hero always has some powerful ally such as a Taoist Priest, a Buddhist Master, or a great swordsman. The magic flies fast and furious, just like the weapons and the fists. All in all, great fun.
[> Subject: Re: More films


Author:
Jeff-Hey I got a crazy-ass idea!
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Date Posted: 10:26:08 07/07/02 Sun
Yes, I watched Memento. Very Good. I am going to watch Being John Malkovich this evening. I fell it love with it when I saw the first time. (John, I suggest you create a page on website for movie reviews from the House of Arkam.Can you image the camera as a POV(similar to Tales from the Crypt), walking onto the sanitarium grounds, through the front door, past the receptionist, down the hall, through the reinforced door window, into the padded room where a madman sits in the corner wearing a straight jacket.)Yes he is mad. And he is a film critic!!!!! Why is he mad? He tells it like it is, for no sane man wants to hear the truth, he has a demented sense of humor that only a madman can contain within his cranium AND he admitted himself because only the safety of a sanitarium allows him to risk seeing such films. (Hey I've just written a new show for hollywood! Fuck you guys...I'm leaving for LA in the morning!)
[> Subject: Two thumbs and one big toe


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 16:58:24 07/07/02 Sun
Hey, I love all these movie reviews. John, you ought to take Jeff up on his insane reviewer idea.

I regret I haven't seen many movies recently, and certainly nothing as exotic as you two have mentioned. I think I have mentioned I enjoyed "A Simple Plan" and the "The Usual Suspects." I detest most of the Hollywood movies, although I enjoyed "Enemy of the State" and I intend to see "Minority Report" pretty soon. Jeff, I read a review of "The Secret Lives of Altar Boys" and it sounds like something you'd like. It's about altar boys, of course, but it revolves around their fantasies of being superheroes and is cut with zillions of animated sequences by the creator of "Spawn."

I have been working stupid hours and haven't much time for anything beyond my weekly Magnetron instalment. I would tell you that I am now on vacation and intended to get my car fixed finally so I could drive down to Tucson and visit John, but it is just so ludicrously ironic that no one would believe me even though it's true.

By the way, John, that goofy hogatubbies banner took me about an hour to make. Fifteen minutes to cook up the concept and steal the graphics, another fifteen to lay out the frames, another fifteen to animate, and another fifteen to upload and update the link.

Anyway, I am here and now have lots of free time!
[> [> Subject: Re: Two thumbs and one big toe


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 00:56:18 07/08/02 Mon
You think THAT is something. I am in the wrong business. I may create a new role for myself as I professional idea-man for companies. I'll charge 1,000.00 a day and help others brainstorm to sell their products OR come up with products. Example I just help a guy at work come up with a product. He wanted to combine alcohol with water, kinda like a water substitute and still get a buzz. WHich brings up...how much water can you put in a product to be considered a water product. He wanted to call it "Booze". I came up with "AQUAHOL". Brilliant isn't it? Another man wants to open up his own business. Its a barber shop, designed like Floyd's shop in Mayberry. We talked about this and came up with a brilliant scheme. The service is not haircuts...its men getting together and talking. You pay 8.00 which is a covercharge. Haircuts ARE FREE. You can have coffee, sit down and just talk. Great for retirees. THe Name: JAWJACKIN' JOES.
I just went over my list of ladies I am emailing and a few I've had first dates. 12....mother fuckin 12 women I am in contact with. I already have dates lined up for Wed, THurs, and Fri. I just contacted woman number 12. I am telling you....I have three men who want to know what the fuck Im doing.....I gotta write a fuckin book on this.
Ken, don't forget the ideas I sent you for banners. I have some more. The Banana Splits.....and the Three Musketeers OH, and The Chipmonks....one of us needs to be the guy..David Savell....probably Curt.

Has anyone seen the movie SHINE??????? Please respond if you have....I have a question about the end of the movie.
Also listened to the Koyanniquatsi soundtrack. In the past Phillip Glass used to irritate me to no end....NO, I am enjoying his works.
All for now....I'm finally getting tired. Ken, if you need something to do....what about that friggin logo?
[> [> [> Subject: secrets of the universe


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 01:44:35 07/08/02 Mon
I have already planned on making a section of my website for reviews. Remember when I mentioned that a few weeks ago? Unfortunately, I never get anything accomplished due to my expert powers of procrastination so I decided to post some reviews here before flying off. I like Jeff's sanitarium idea, but I have some ideas of my own.

Phillip Glass? Uggghhh. I never knew a metronome qualified as a composer until I heard this guys repetitive droning. There is only one thing he has ever done that isn't terrible--the soundtrack to Candyman. Even that has to be taken in moderation.

Jeff, I have to get you some more Dead Can Dance stat. I'm sorry, I had no idea you were in such a desperate listening situation out there. :-)

Ken, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you were never going to make it down to Tucson this Summer so I don't feel guilty about taking off at all. You might want to take that repaired car of yours and get the hell out of Phx for a while. Enjoy your vacation.

Well guys, I'm leaving for the airport in less than four hours. Wish me luck going through the shooting gallery, er, I mean LAX. As I was telling Jeff a few weeks ago, LAX is the only place I feel unsafe during my trips to SE Asia. Strange, but true.

Stay in touch. Remember that I check my email regularly, so give me something to chuckle about when I'm killing time in an internet cafe. Ciao.
Subject: Checking in


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 02:26:08 07/08/02 Mon
John, have fun on your trip! I'll write you an e-mail.

Jeff, good luck with the puss. You deserve it, buddy.

Ken, enjoy that vacation.
Subject: Eureka! I have done it, my new movie hit worth millions!


Author:
Francis Ford Neropala
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Date Posted: 15:31:25 07/09/02 Tue
Here is the character breakdown of my latest brilliant movie/book series. With the world in such turmoil, seeing the popularity of the LEFT BEHIND series AND the wonder of Spider-Man and X-Men, A new franchise to rock the nation.

I introduce to you:

A secret society of holy men have gathered and preserved DNA from those who had a special relationship with the Lord Almighty.

Now, after a millennium of waiting, this most precious DNA along with genetically enhanced attributes only our most advanced technology can produce, a fighting team has arrived to save the world from total annihilation.


THE FORCE OF GOD



Solomon = Wisdom and enhanced mental powers. Genius-Theorist-Scientist. Able to call upon Telekenetic Powers when touched with the grace of God.

Sampson = Super Strength and enhanced mass – Able to lift 2 tons. Has genetically enhanced skin making him almost bulletproof. Becomes invulnerable and indestructible when touched with the grace of God.

Jesus = Leader of group and mortal Son of God. Healer and forgiver. God-like powers are triggered when faced with any one of the legions of hell.

Joan of Arc = Warrior and marksman. Able to call forth flaming sword of righteousness. Becomes covered with genetically enhanced bio-armor when touched with the grace of God.

St. Frances = Animal Trainer & Beast-Master. Able to communicate telepathically with all mammals. Calls upon the creatures of the earth to help when touched with the grace of God.

Jonah = Merman and water elemental. Can breath on land and water. Able to travel at fantastic speeds on and under water due to enhanced webbing on hands and feet. Can communicate telepathically with all forms of oceanic creatures. Has complete control of all forms of water when touched with the grace of God.

When called on assignment, Jesus activates his sight of holiness, which produces holographic beams of light from his eyes which allows God to talk to them directly.(Similar to Charlie's Angels & Mission Impossible. God appears in many mystical symbols.) Soon the holographic images act as a projector as God or Arch-Angel relates important information which the team will need for their new assignment.
Subject: What we have here is a failure to assimilate!


Author:
Cool Hand Locutus
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Date Posted: 17:40:20 07/10/02 Wed
John, I thought you might find it interesting that the Hogalum Society will soon find themselves trapped in the lost city of Xanadu, which I am placing in Thailand. Seems Kublai Khan built more than one stately pleasure dome during the Yuan Dynasty, and one of them had a real dome!

Jeff, I have only one reaction to your movie idea. OH MY GOD!

Curt, what's the scoop on ST:Nemesis?
Subject: Promo Radio AGO-GO


Author:
DJ Jeff-Wackdaddy
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Date Posted: 13:31:55 07/11/02 Thu
EEeiiii!!!
I'm getting nervous. I drive down to Madison this Monday to record the 60 sec. promo spot for the MAN-TALK radio program.
The show will air on the 29th. Although its more about men's issues and NOT a warrior infomercial, I have a good man who is a DJ and a warrior and is helping out...especially since he knows the audience in Madison better then I do.

But I gotta get started on the basic outline for the show itself...it'll be loose enough for improv. but I do want a list of questions that the 'outside man/average joe' will ask and we can answer for the first 30 min. then open up for call ins.
This is so cool, yet so scarey to actually being able to make shit happen rather then just sit around and dream about it. This will be a good accomplishment for 2002. That and this fuckin' divorce. With by the way, my attorney has fired off two letters both calling Kim's hand on her behavior and some recent reports which we have that brings up Kim's self injury, her hospitalization, her admittance to being diagnosed with depression and NOT taking meds and her eating disorder. My attorney is warning to KEEP this train moving, NO DELAYS, Let Jeff start seeing his kids every other weekend or else we are gonna open up the Ark of the Covenant and kick some ass and get the court to doubt Kim's role as a parent.
(Damn, that means I gotta find a tape recorder and soon. when she gets the letter she will call me and freak!)
I have a date tonight, Friday night and now Sunday morning...each with a different woman...I make sure and keep it cheap. I just can't wait for the divorce then get Inner Compass movin'!!!!!
Subject: Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink...


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 04:38:51 07/14/02 Sun
I am here and all is well. The flight went just fine. I was a bit worried because there was a big typhoon over the China Sea that we had to fly through. Other than 20 min of turbulence the flight was smooth and easy. I guess we were able to climb over the bad stuff. When I saw the sattelite photos in Japan I thought it was going to be worse than the terrible time I had on the last flight.

After leaving record setting drought conditions in AZ I'm really enjoying the cool evening rains in Thailand. It's about 90 in the day and 80 at night with about 75% humidity. Not paradise, but a hell of a lot better than the brutal AZ summer.

Those damn corporate bastards have screwed the dollar. It's trading at an all time low from the previous 2 years. The financial news I'm getting blames most of it on the shake up with American business practices, primarily unethical accounting, which is hurting investor confidence and therefore hurting the dollar. The Thai baht has gone from 44.5 to 40.5 to the dollar. Not a huge jump, but it adds up, especially since I buy a meal for around 20 baht. If this trend continues then I'm going to have to revise my budget.

Jeff, good luck on all those dates. Did you win the lotto or do you take your dates out for dinner to McDonalds? Be careful how you present that radio Man talk show. If you don't make it clear many might tune in expecting something like The Man Show on Comedy Central. But then, that could be good too.

Curt, what are you doing these days? Is it all work and no play, or do you have something fun keeping you occupied?

Ken, I'm still looking for Xanadu II. My guess is that it's not far from Phi Mai, perhaps even underneath it, the stately dome capping magnificent caverns. But then that would throw the whole time frame off from Kublai Khan's decree. In my Valkusian bio notes I had Anton's father and older brother going off to explore Khmer ruins around Angkor Wat. Anton's brother was killed in a tiger trap. Was it an accident or did he find something that should remain hidden? Hmmm.

I'll check in again soon. Take care, everyone.
Subject: "How to bring the whore out in every woman" by JM Nerone


Author:
J-Daddy Pimp
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Date Posted: 15:23:47 07/14/02 Sun
Here we go again!!! John, most women I meet at coffeehouses to start. One I met for dinner. Everyone is pretty busy plus its been a lot of first dates which are more face offs and showing them my thick pecker.
I just met yesterday a woman...who I discover works in the same fucking building I do....as usual(sigh) we talk of FEELINGS and EMOTIONS and PASSION then they just GOTTA talk about sex.....and the next thing I know, they are showing me what naughty girls they are: Here's a sample after less then 24hrs of meeting and talking.

Katherine: Ok sorry, work related. Now on to my second best feature, (don't worry about junior he'll be back), My breasts are 38c and love being done. The nipples become hard and long, they like to be twisted and sucked hard on, their favorite thing is having junior placed in between and you get breast fucked and your cum shoots into my mouth. They have love it abit more action than simply petting. One can make me quite wet my being aggressive with my breasts.
Katherine: As you suck on my clit you can smell and feel my juices just at my pussy. They will be be there if I am not properly done. My like to be teased and played with. Actually so does my ass. I exercise my pussy muscles so that they stay tight and I use them during intercourse. I would love to be trained more on excepting junior in the ass. This and play there does wonders.

I was all horney after this only to discover 'Junior' is her roommate who is a dwarf and suffers with Downes Syndrome and works at Pizza Hut....As Dr. Smith says: oh, the pain, the pain.
[> Subject: Re: "How to bring the whore out in every woman" by JM Nerone


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 08:54:26 07/15/02 Mon
It's nice to hear your deep Warrior emotions and respect for women, Jeff, but honestly, everyone already knows that whores are quite plentiful. This Katherine sounds suitably self-involved, and it's admirably efficient of her to provide you with a little checklist for keeping her satisfied. But no more Penthouse letters, okay?
[> [> Subject: Re: "How to bring the whore out in every woman" by JM Nerone


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 13:47:12 07/15/02 Mon
Hey, are you slamming me? I actually thought I was being quite funny with the Junior tie in, otherwise I'd have left it out. Junior, roommate dwarf....get it?
So I hope you were kidding about the warrior reference.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Whores


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:06:00 07/16/02 Tue
>So I hope you were kidding about the warrior reference.

I wasn't. But I take it back. I am not going to preach. I did find that letter from what's-her-face to be absolutely revolting, however.
[> [> [> [> Subject: ????


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:26:38 07/17/02 Wed
>>So I hope you were kidding about the warrior
>reference.
>
>I wasn't. But I take it back.

Oh, Geez. WHat is that all about? I sure hope you aren't going to bring up warrior behavior to me again as if you need to show examples of my behavior vs warrior behavior???
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: ????


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 09:03:11 07/18/02 Thu
>WHat is that all about? I sure hope you
>aren't going to bring up warrior behavior to me again
>as if you need to show examples of my behavior vs
>warrior behavior???

Don't worry. I won't.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: ????


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 14:33:47 07/18/02 Thu
Thank you!
Subject: looking for another site


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:53:47 07/19/02 Fri
Guys,
I have a friend who is trying to track someone down. He has name and social security number.
What is the best agency/website to go to so he can play private eye?
Subject: Sound Clip treasure hunt


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:52:19 07/19/02 Fri
Guys, I'm using some famous movie lines from famous hollywood men. Looking for both cold hearted men and men with passion.

Due to time, I will use some music from Gladiator, then fade to a collage of several famous movie lines as a segway of what we''ve been taught via the media.

I have Clark Gable and Brando saying ONE stella, (I'd like one with two) I also have Bogart. I am also using a scene from Matrix and Superman(I love when he was crying from Lois' death and then takes off screaming into the clouds. I want men to hear that.)

Some I maybe able to get from video and DVD. If you come across any on the INTERNET that I can download...send me the link.

Something kinda cold from Citizen Kane, or of a man expressing his sadness or anger. Famous ones are the best. Something from John Wayne or Kirk Douglas. I will need what you can send me by Sunday night so I can get together with a friend and hook up PC and video shit in his studio and slap it all on CD.

Then half way through the show we'll cut to commercials, then I'll fade to more movies lines then continue with the show.

Hope you can help with the treasure hunt.
[> Subject: Re: Sound Clip treasure hunt


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 08:59:47 07/19/02 Fri
Jeff, you better get copyright clearance from the film studios before you use that stuff for your radio show. It's a good concept, but it's not going to be free.

Good luck with the show.
[> [> Subject: Re: Sound Clip treasure hunt


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:31:59 07/20/02 Sat
I'm not going to screw around and waste time going to studios, this is only airing in Madison, after that I'm using it as an audition tape. I really don't believe any studio is going to notice me and send me a letter telling me to not use it. If they do, I'll deal with it then, but not right now. Now is about making it happen and giving the best 'test' demonstration I can. Plus, I'm not using it at this time to get any money, and the station if funded by the public. I'm small potatoes.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Sound Clip treasure hunt


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 16:04:00 07/20/02 Sat
I agree, Jeff. You've nothing to worry about. They'll leave you alone
in regards to that slight sampling of famous quotes.

Good luck and break a leg.
Subject: D-Day is approaching=68 Days to go!!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:32:29 07/26/02 Fri
I received notice that kim and I are scheduled to appear to pre-trial court hearing on Oct. 2nd. IF we have everything in place and ready, the Judge could actually slap his approval and BAM, the divorce is final!
Thats a little more then two months away. 68 days in fact. I have it on my white board at work....counting down the days.
I am going to focus this weekend on updating my business plan for Inner Compass so I can send to attorney and be ready to rock n roll after Oct 2nd. I could be incorporated by the second week of Oct. then receive Fed. Tax ID # by End of Year or sooner. So its possible Inner Compass LLC will be a legitimate business by end of 2002.
I am hoping, with the horrors of the stock market and the distrust of mega-corporations, to step up and shine as a company with a mission to change the lives of men. I've already started working on a powerpoint presentation back in March.
Radio show Man-Talk is set to go. Finished outline and found some great lines from ANALYZE THIS,SUPERMAN,BRANDO,JOHN WAYNE & MATRIX, along with music from Gladiator to begin the show.

Thats it for me. Hey John, whats going on? Whats the status on AOY?
Subject: hello


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 05:05:40 07/23/02 Tue
Did everybody go on vacation? I thought I would check in to see how you guys are doing.
[> Subject: Re: hello


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 09:55:34 07/23/02 Tue
Sorry John, I check but noone else seems to be talking so I don't bother a spew out Jeff shite. I've found some cool lines from John Wayne's HONDO movie. Having a drink with italian dr. tonight and a financial manager(29 yrs old) on Fri. Plus I gotta finish radio outline, record movie lines and slap on CD and also get last minute divorce stuff complete for Aug. 5. I believe Ken was taking a vacation. I keep asking Chris about staying clean and getting help and each time he talks other shit and doesn't answer my specific questions. I am still considering a Nov. visit to AZ, if I must use my plane fare.
Thats it for me. Unless someone is froggy enough to start a good argument.
[> [> Subject: communication


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 12:08:59 07/24/02 Wed
No arguments here, but it would be welcome to see some dialog again. Aoy is having some terrible problems and this hasn't been an easy time. I don't know if I can write about it now. Things are still happening and I'll write when it settles down and I see where it all goes. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I was hoping to see something going on here to feel some kind of connection with you guys right now, but I can't say too much about my own situation. Does that make sense?

Don't be alarmed by my tone. I'm getting an emotional roller coaster ride now, but I'm not alone. I've got a number of friends over here that I can and have talked to for support.

I'll check back again tomorrow.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 18:09:04 07/24/02 Wed
Recall that I am "Mr. Fadeaway", so expect nothing from me.


Just kidding. I'll dash off an e-mail to you tonight.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 15:03:39 07/25/02 Thu
Or maybe tonight.

>Recall that I am "Mr. Fadeaway", so expect nothing
>from me.
>
>
>Just kidding. I'll dash off an e-mail to you tonight.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 22:31:26 07/26/02 Fri
John, Whats going on? I'm feeling some fear that maybe all is not going well with you and Aoy. Is this it? Does it appear as if she won't be able to come back with you? What about her mother's health? Is everything legit? I know you have a sliver of doubt in the back of your mind...has it increased? What kind of help do you want from us? I believe we can all assist with connecting, but ya gotta let us know what you are looking for. Tell us what you need. (Hey, where the fuck is Ken?) Ken! Are you out there? Someone turn on the damn Ken-signal!
John, again, ya gotta tell us something, so we can better support you.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 07:03:55 07/28/02 Sun
There's really nothing anyone can do to change the situation I'm in. I was just hoping to find you guys discussing something and that would remind me that you guys are out there and everything's okay.

I no longer have one iota of doubt about Aoy. I love her and I know that she loves me. Events are bigger than us both. I fear that I won't see Aoy again. It's too painful to discuss now. We're both walking around numb and in shock.

I've got some good support over here, friends all over the place, good people I've known for awhile who look out for me. Don't worry. My health is good, and I'm not in any danger. I'm just heartbroken again, like you wouldn't believe. Under different circumstances I would suspect that something is wrong with me, but I understand what's going on and outside forces are at work. I think my failing is that I always (unconsciously) seem to pick women with big problems.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 18:35:24 07/28/02 Sun
John, I understand its painful. What do you mean other forces at work? Is it about Thai govt. won't let her go? Or the US won't let her in?

How long are you going to be gone? Maybe when you get back we can talk about it, or maybe there's a way we can get together and talk about it together. If we use Curt's friend's suite, you and Ken can share gas....we don't have to spend that much money.....its about hanging out, sit by the pool, sit around together and night...and maybe just have a good cry :)
Hang in there. Just talk....talk and share....it'll help.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: communication


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 02:50:06 07/29/02 Mon
When I read your post, John, it hit me like a shotgun blast to the chest.
I am so sorry. When are you arriving back in the states? Would you like
me to come down to visit you so that we could be together and talk?
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: good friends


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 08:05:31 07/29/02 Mon
Guys, thank you for your care and support. That really means a lot to me. I'm not sure when we'll have the chance to get together again, but we'll make it happen sometime soon.

Jeff, it's not the government, it's Aoy. She's been hurt very, very badly and she's not the same inside. She's pulled back inside herself for survival. I'm having trouble getting through to her. Life seems to have no limits to the joy and pain one can experience. I've come to know a spectrum beyond my imaginings.
Subject: Blessings from across the continent


Author:
Jeff-Warrior Monk
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Date Posted: 09:46:34 07/29/02 Mon
John, I send out blessings to you and Aoy during this awful struggle. Hopefulness that you are able to connect with her feelings and begin to heal her wounds. I send out willingness to Aoy to trust you and allow you to see her pain and suffering. I can imagine the language barrier isn't making it easier for her to express her hurt and you to listen without struggling to understand let alone empathize.
What has happened? Can you tell us why she chooses,(I understand if its a culture behavior) to shut down emotionally and not share with you?
How else can we help? I wish I could do more and feel kinda useless just sitting here.
Keep writing to us every day and let us know your progress, in any.
Take a moment to stand still, close your eyes and feel the blessings from America coming your way. Your heart is our heart!!!
Know that you are loved!

Amen, baby, Amen!
[> Subject: follow up


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 06:29:46 07/30/02 Tue
There's a lot going on and it's not easy to talk about now.What Aoy is going through is not a cultural thing, it's a psychological defense mechanism--disassociation. It's very common for people who have been abused, attacked, and traumatized. Instead of facing the horror they withdraw and try to go someplace else in their minds. It's been difficult for her to see anyone, including me. I've only seen her for a few days this month. She needs to see a doctor, but I can't pay for that and I can't stay here beyond the 8th. I can't even guess how long it will be before I can afford to come back here. Now, with all this going on we can't do anything about a visa. Aoy keeps telling me she wants me to find a new lady, that she's no good because she has so many problems. I'm hoping to set up a meeting with her and a mutual friend who speaks English very well. We did that last week and we were able to discuss these issues in great detail.
[> [> Subject: Re: follow up


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:43:54 07/30/02 Tue
The time will come John when you will clearly see that Aoy has her own path to take. Whether she chooses to get help or turn to you for help is up to her. (I know you know that.) Accept who she is as she is, now. Maybe she is just one of those 'seasonal' influences in your life. Although you hoped for a future together, maybe this is an answer to your question. Maybe that answer is no. Your paths have crossed but its time for those paths to separate and head towards different terrains.
If you have learned something new due to Aoy, then that is what you were meant to learn.
I'm not saying you should leave her or you should keep trying, I'm just wondering myself if there is an answer here to what is in store for your life. Maybe if all was different and you both had very positive experiences on this last visit and everything regarding a visa just seemed to fit together, then it was meant to be. Maybe all this trouble is telling you, this is not the path for John, his path will take him elsewhere, to someone else.
Subject: Man-Talk a-go-go


Author:
DJ Jamin' Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:04:10 07/29/02 Mon
Well men, tonights the night. I nervous yet confident. I'll have the show taped so you can hear when we get together. Also, I just got off the phone with a woman who has been in the radio biz. I met her last year from a mutual acquaintence. She has experience producing her own show. She is very interested in the format and has noticed in her other work, a marketing group of men 35-55, that many are not taping into. We meet Aug. 19th, so she can hear the show and help brainstorm with me to bring the show to Milwaukee as a regular program. We have several options one being paying for the show ourselves, based on clients we bring in for advertising spots, so we get paid as well OR the station gives us the time slot, sells the airtime themselves and get paid....and we get nothing...but the opportunity. We will consider both options as a stepping stone. IF the show does well, then we can change our strategy and with the help of advertisements/clients we pay for three hour slots and the rest we use to pay ourselves. She's the expert so I'll go along with her. We can get prepared and then as soon as the Divorce is final, BAM we can be on the air.
Hey, I can also use the show to advertise for Inner Compass Cards!! Hoody hoo!
[> Subject: Re: Man-Talk a-go-go


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 12:16:24 07/30/02 Tue
Guys, the program was a success! The sound engineer was impressed, the rest of the staff at the station thought it was awesome. A woman called in, pulling off the highway to get to a payphone, to call in and tell us it was about time such a program exists. Afterwards, another woman called in asking if the show was going to be re-aired.
We only took on three callers, I was VERY surprised how quickly the hour went. The calls and our dialogue went very well. It sounded as if three men sat by a campfire and just talked. It was groovy, baby.

I have the show recorded on cassette and will transfer to CD sometime this month. I informed the AccessHour coordinator that if there is ever a cancellation, to call me and I'd drive up and do the show again.
As I stated before, I meet with a radio producer in three weeks to discuss format, presentation/proposal of show, and short term vs long term initiatives to get accepted by station.
[> [> Subject: Re: Man-Talk a-go-go


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 09:49:14 07/31/02 Wed
Congrats! I'm glad it went well. I look forward to hearing the recording.
Take care, buddy.
Subject: Update and want to hear from John


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 09:40:05 08/02/02 Fri
Wow, I've been going back and rereading the 'Conversations with God' Books. I enjoy their spiritual message without all the religious clutter.
There is mention of stating your intentions and desires ONCE, then release them to the universe and be patient. What you want will come to you. (This message just stuck out a couple weeks ago while doing laundry.)If you NEED it, then you will most likely not get it. If its something you can't satisfy on your own and NEED something/someone outside of yourself, then you have lessons to learn first.
I decided to stop trying so hard to finding some kind of connection with a woman and fighting Kim regarding seeing the kids. So I decided to trust, fate/God/Higher Power will provide. Sure enough.....after Kim had a long talk with case worker supervisor who oversaw my 'supervised' visits with kids, Kim has decided to back off and stop fighting and allow me to see the kids every other weekend as I asked and have the right to do.
Also I met a woman online, three days later she arrived at my place and screwed my for 4 1/2 hours! Yipeeeee!
Tonight woman #2 from work, is coming over tonight to also screw me for....oh, maybe 3 1/2 hours. (damn)
When I stop trying and just BE authentic....things are falling into place. This is grand!
Oh, Saturday night, I'm meeting woman #1, will see SIGNS...then back to my place for more screwing.
I'm hoping that after the weekend both women will stop demonstrating their carpentry skills, leave my phillips screwdriver along, leave the 2X2 board and the 1/2 inch screws at home and make out.
John, keep in touch...whats the latest?
Subject: Virus


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:13:20 07/31/02 Wed
Guys, I believe I have picked up a virus and I will not be going online (or possibly even booting up) until I root it out. Heads up: Dog-humping loser goes by the name of Webmaestro sends a large attachment. Seems to be a virus. And you do not have to open the attachment to pick it up. My hard drive is accessing continuously right now, so I am signing off.
[> Subject: Re: Virus


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 13:18:52 08/03/02 Sat
I'm back, but just barely. Had to reformat and start over. Next stop... Mcafee.com

More later
[> Subject: ALERT: You may be infected (Sorry!)


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 22:30:38 08/03/02 Sat
Okay, here's the latest:

I did pick up a virus. I don't have the name of it handy, sorry, but it's a little bastard. Bad news is it has mailed itself to all of you at the following addresses:

Curt:
yourmoniker at ridgecrest.ca.us

Jeff:
yourmoniker at yahoo.com
and at prodigy.net

John:
yourmoniker at yahoo.com

...so be careful! If you get anything from me, delete immediately!

Good news is I sent it to Kim!
[> [> Subject: Re: ALERT: You may be infected (Sorry!)


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 00:41:47 08/04/02 Sun
Jeff: Glad to hear that you're getting some, once again.

Ken: Glad your computer is better.
I received nothing, but not to worry, Macs are likely immune.

John: Looking forward to chatting you up upon your return.
Subject: Update and feeling odd


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 14:58:49 08/05/02 Mon
Hey guys.
Feeling very odd. Got back from court. No longer do I have to see my children under the watchful of others for the Iron Maiden and her troupe of dark harpies.

The court commissioner ruled in my favor...so starting in two weeks I can begin seeing my kids ALONE! Yet, I feel odd. My victory feels somewhat hollow. I don't know what the deal is. Maybe its a lack of affirmation? That no one said to me, "Mr. Nerone, we feel comfortable that you are not a 'danger' to your children...blah,blah,blah. Or, maybe I'm more numb...that its taked ALL THIS TIME...SEVEN MONTHS!!! Finally, I can BE Dad and have the quality time to teach my children the ways of the Occult, domination of lesser intellects, financial buggery and Gothic Madness! :)

By the way...any of you men experienced female ejaculations? I've experienced three separate women in the last two years who have performed such a bodily function. I've seen a website or two about it yet some doctors scoff at the notion.
I'd like to hear some of your experiences as I'm seriously considering purchasing a scuba outfit to handle the waves of clear fluid like excressions. Each encounter I'm looking like I just sat in the first row of a Gallagher concert!

PS....Its 3:55PM, Jeff Nerone time.....and I don't see the lastest Mag chapter. I tell ya, my Mondays are SHOT to hell if I don't read it before noon.

John, make sure you give us the lates before you leave on the 8th.
Subject: Hey, everybody, I'm back! Hello? Hello?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 21:41:09 08/11/02 Sun
Wow, I guess I should be flattered. I disappear for a while and when I come back I find you're all so depressed by my absence you can't bring yourself to post anything.

There, there. Everything's okay now. Ken is back.

I may regale you all someday with the unbelievably stupid series of events that caused my extended absence, but everyone else I know is already really sick of hearing me bitch about it, so maybe I won't.

Anyway, what is going on with everybody?

Ken

p.s. Sorry about the Futures Magazine banner, but I thought you had to be sick of that frigging Hoga-Tubbies one and I don't have anything else yet...
[> Subject: Re: Hey, everybody, I'm back! Hello? Hello?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 22:04:47 08/11/02 Sun
Well its about time. I don't like the ratio of Jeff:everyone else. I'd be curious what the ratio is of Jeff's messages compared to EVERYONE ELSE's on an average day.
Good to have you back Ken. I got tired of talking to my own cake hole.
I've been getting laid a lot....and trying to be the voice of reason for the Boys to Men group out here....we are trying to develop a board and get men to step up.

Please I just watched the movie SIGNS and cried at the end. What an awesome movie!!! A movie of affirmation for me. IT really struck home. Spent the weekend shopping for McKenna's birthday, saw the movie TRIPLE XXX, and spent today celebrating her 7th b-day. Thats about it for now. I believe John should be back now from Thailand. I'd like to hear what happened and hear how he is doing. Oh, I had a good crap today too.
Subject: What the hell? Where's the constant jawjackin'?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 11:51:06 08/13/02 Tue
Just finished a 1/2 hour radio interview for the Boys to Men group here in Milwaukee. The main station coordinates for 3 FM stations and one AM station. They are all big contenders out here.
The show went really well. I didn't organize the show at first so I didn't THINK about getting a tape. (Although I'll contact the DJ about it.)
I'm heading off on Thursday to Minneasota for the Boys to Men weekend so I can see first hand what the program is all about.
I am also close to finishing the first draft of the Hogalum Society website. I just need to complete the first chapter and get it out there. I have graphics and bios all laid out and ready to go.
Thats about it for now. John should be back...what the hell is going on John?
[> Subject: Re: What the hell? Where's the constant jawjackin'?


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:21:25 08/14/02 Wed
>The show went really well.

That's great, Jeff.

>I'm heading off on Thursday to Minneasota for the Boys
>to Men weekend so I can see first hand what the
>program is all about.

Seems wise.

>I am also close to finishing the first draft of the
>Hogalum Society website. I just need to complete the
>first chapter and get it out there. I have graphics
>and bios all laid out and ready to go.

Let me know!

Just got my Jul/Aug/Sep issue of Futures. Featuring the irascible D.L.MacKenzie. Woo-hoo!
Subject: home


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:46:48 08/14/02 Wed
I'm back in Tucson.
[> Subject: Re: home


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 10:23:17 08/14/02 Wed
>I'm back in Tucson.

Welcome home, John. Rest up and fill us in.
Subject: Are the Hogalums suffering from Succubi?


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 12:22:53 08/15/02 Thu
Hey, I got an idea for a hogalum adventure based on real life scenarios. All the hogalums meet beautiful women, become infatuated and accept the women as 'girlfriends'. Mrs. MacKenzie begins to realize how odd the men are behaving as they all begin to lack vitality and initiative and drive. They sit in Mags. study, mope around and fall asleep in reading chairs. They become withdrawn. A villian escapes the authorities and the hogalums are unable to capture the villian due to fatigue and lack of standing for justice and saving the innocent. The spirited house keeper notices how vampiric the women behave as they arrive in the evenings and swoon and coddle the heroes each night, leaving at dawn with the men looking gaunt and withdrawn. Eventually the heroes STOP TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND SIT AND GAZE OUT THE WINDOW GROWING STAGNANT AND LIFELESS. A CLOUD OF DEPRESSION SEEMS TO HANG OVER THE AVENGERS.
Who are these women, where did they come from? Can they be stopped? Do the heroes realize they have got to reclaim their lives and start talking again to each other and share who they are and what is going on in their lives? Or do they sit around like lazy screwheads and mope around or get caught up in other issues and drift away to a ruthless, cold world of non-hogalumness fun, wit and wackiness?
[> Subject: 2 tired to typ


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k
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Date Posted: 19:11:38 08/15/02 Thu
yer probly rite, but whatcha gonna do/ - not enuf nrg to hit shif key n make q mark
Subject: Maybe we should change to JEFFALUM Site


Author:
Jeff aka Jeff
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Date Posted: 15:54:28 08/19/02 Mon
Here once again, sitting in my jeff chair, living a life of jeffdom.
I returned from the Minn. Boys to Men weekend. Curt would have gone MAD at this place. We slept in tents, had to endure a bad rain storm full of thunder and lightning. Choke full of mosquito bites and being aware of wood ticks and poison ivy, it was great being in the green outdoors. I was in danger of dehydration due to losing all of my body fluids through my nose as my allergies kick in to high gear.
There were twelve boys, they were afraid and sad and confused and hurt and disappointed by their families, those they trusted and their fathers. It was a hard weekend but much healing began for those boys and the men who will be mentoring them.
I am very tired. I didn't sleep well all three nights, even on Friday as we huddled in tents while the rain poured and the lightning lit up the open camp grounds followed by thunderclaps....it was cool. I wished you guys were there....especially John as the night was great for some midnight adventures of horror as I could envision undead walking the earth in this horrible weather, or some shambling mound of evil rumbling through the thickets, looking for human flesh to consume.
I did get inspired being on the weekend and seeing the program first hand. Now I'm reavin' up the engine and co-creating with Al to make this happen for Wisconsin.

I had my lunch with Elizabeth, the radio woman. We talked and I offered to bone her...I mean....offered her a partnership with Man-Talk. She agreed. We discussed plans. She is gonna call her contacts and program directors at several stations in town. We will begin with an hour show then expand to a two hour segment. I will pursue a time slot for after 5:00PM. Once I get the numbers on time slots and audience statistics, I'll create a simple marketing packet and get in contact with businesses.

(I also contacted my attorney and informed him to work with the other attorney to GET THIS DONE BY OCT.2ND....I have an empire to build damnit!!)

Well I gotta go. Hey Ken, I remember you stating that the short story mag was being distributed by Barnes & Noble...well I haven't found shite my friend. Whats up with that?
Subject: open mind, open heart


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:23:46 08/21/02 Wed
To everyone, I apologize for being a ghost around here lately. I can't talk about everything that has happened yet. I'm trying to keep myself busy and keep my strength up. I have been checking in here, but there is not much I can say right now, so I have been silent.

I can tell you this. I think of you all quite often and that gives me a great deal of strength. Thank you all for your friendship. I miss you all.
[> Subject: Re: open mind, open heart


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:38:16 08/21/02 Wed
Thanks John, When you are ready to talk, I am ready to listen. The energy has REALLY been lacking here. Since no one else is talking, I've been redirecting my energies to getting laid. I guess thats the way its gonna have to be. If I can't receive feelings of comfort, friendship, growth and support from this group of whachamacallits, then I'll have to get it from some 'woman'. In fact I'm planning on a trip to Vegas with four women I've been opening screwing. They all know each other and see the value of having me in their lives. They agreed to share me rather then all of them losing me.
My new special friends, Joan, Kathy, Carrie and Deanna. We are thinking of starting our own message board/website as Kathy and Carrie are well versed in this area.
Well, I must be going, I have a few "good morning, it was nice doing 'the nasty' with you" emails to send out. Don't want my special friends to think I don't think about them each day.
Subject: YES, absolutely


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 04:12:01 08/22/02 Thu
I just got back from the Yes concert. My last friend in Tucson, Tony, was kind enough to give me a ticket. We both went to see the Yes Union concert back around 1990. It was good to get out of the apartment and spend some time with a friend.

The show was wonderful. The people in the audience were not. I have never in my life witnessed such rude, selfish, mindless, and pathetic behavior during a performance. We had to get up and change seats 3 times to get away from entire groups of people that talked continuously throughout the songs. I'm not exagerating. 3 different people in different areas talked without pausing for a breath. The concert was quite loud, so they basically shouted their conversations and gossip to be heard above that annoying music. These people didn't even talk about the show, or Yes. They talked about work, shopping, etc. I know, because I could hear them from several seats away.

Then there was the continual flood of people walking in and out of the venue. I would say that at least 40% of the audience felt the need to get up and walk around to the snackbar, beer vendors and restrooms every 20 minutes or so. The foot traffic was ridiculously unending. Why did these people feel the need to spend $$$ to go to a concert they barely paid attention to? The people seated directly around us each got up 3-4 times. Does anyone on this planet have an attention span longer than 10 minutes anymore? The show started at 8pm instead of the scheduled 7:30 because 50% of the damn audience couldn't get their sorry asses away from the vendors and sit down. I have to tell you that I am losing faith in humanity, especially my fellow Americans.

It was a real challenge to tune out the neanderthals and enjoy the show, but despite these fools Yes gave us a fine show. The line up was Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, Steve Howe, Alan White and Rick Wakeman. This was much, much better than the Union tour. They played only 2 new songs. All of the rest were classics, some I never would have guessed they would play. The selection was beautiful. They opened with Siberian Khatru. Also featured were Awaken, Don't Kill The Whale, Heart of the Sunrise, South Side of the Sky, Yours Is No Disgrace, parts of Tales From Topographic Oceans, and the obligatory stuff like Roundabout. A 3 hour show with a 20 min. interlude. Steve did some incredible solo acoustic guitar work. Rick threw in a little Six Wives of Henry VIII in his solo medly. Chris and Alan did a great bass & drum medly of the Fish and Tempus Fugit. There were cameras present, so I expect a video from this tour to be released soon. If you missed this tour, you should see it.
[> Subject: Re: YES, absolutely


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 08:16:46 08/22/02 Thu
>Great to hear John. Now that you have given us the data about the concert, how did you feel during the concert? Which songs felt good to hear? Which one seem to soothe the wounds you've been carring around? I'd like to hear an emotional perspective of the concert and seeing MY FAVORITE BAND IN ALL THE WORLD!!!!
I got a date with a new woman I met a week ago...Annie. She sent me a pic of her BEFORE she had kids.....so she has gained some wait...she has a slight Angelie Jolie look about her, especially the big full natural lips. I'll tasting those bad boys by 7:00PM tomorrow. The woman has lived a sexually repressed life and is in need of some serious sexual therapy and seeing that she can have some incredible orgasms with a passionate man, not the ass-clowns she is used to in her life.
JM Nerone/Mr.X continues another adventure of lust and desire. Damn, I am so awesome! Just 42 days til D-Day!!!!
I got to see my kids last night ALONE for the first time and I'll have them this weekend. (God is good!)
I need to get some statistical information about the buying power of men 35-55. I want to add these stats to my promo packet I am creating for Man-Talk.
I also had lunch with a very attractive young photographer. MEOW!! We agreed to work together on creating promo head shots of...MY HEAD.... actually I am thinking of pics of me, dressed in black, holding some type of compass device, looking into the camera. Or maybe a pic of my eyes....and sell it as Man-Talk being more mysterious and enigmatic and indepth, rather then sports watchin, nature lovin neandrathals. She is also interested in being my main photographer for Inner Compass. I am also including in my corporate portfolio..the men's magazine. IM (Inner Man)
Now, watch....I'll step outside and get hit by lightning and all is lost.
The things I have to do to get laid by beautiful women!!!!
shucks.
[> [> Subject: affirmative feelings


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:20:46 08/23/02 Fri
How did I feel during the concert? Mainly frustrated during the first third of the show as the dreggs of humanity kept talking over the music and standing up in front of me to purchase more beer from the roving vendors. When we finally found a relatively reasonable refuge I was able to get into the music more.

I really can't stress enough how terribly distracting the audience was during the entire show. I've never experienced something like that before. It was disturbing. I believe that given the chance to just focus on the music and the performance I would have ridden an emotional rollercoaster as the old familiar favorite songs flowed on. As it turned out, I was wrenched from my appreciation every 5 or 6 seconds by the rabble around me.

I can't say the music soothed me. The concert was loud, as most are and in the outdoor Desert Sky/Cricket Pavilion there really aren't any proper acoustics. They just set up walls of amps and flood the audience with sound. That strips a lot of the subtlety from the music.

Of course, songs like Heart of the Sunrise and Awaken still move me deeply. Much of their music works so powerfully on a deep emotional level. You know that. Jeff, have you ever seen YES live???

I was also grateful that they didn't just recreate the old recordings. They improvised a bit and expanded on some songs. That made the performance special for me. That kind of touch makes the concert experience a personal event.

I've been thinking a lot about how were're getting older. Seeing these guys gave me mixed feelings on the subject. Steve looked like an old balding professor. Chris is heavy and his face is deeply lined, but at the end of the show he brought out his little boy for the final bow. Jon looks the best, but he dyes his hair blonde and his voice doesn't have the same strength it once did. He had some trouble hitting a few notes. Rick is holding up well, but still insists on wearing the long coat, even at an outdoor concert in Phoenix in August! :-0 Alan looks old, but is still an awesome drummer. Here were a bunch of old men. You could see it for yourself. But here were a group of artists who could still make magic. They were still vital, despite the years of erosion. That was a positive thing. I had to think of the years slipping by us, but these guys still inspired me in the face of it all.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: affirmative feelings


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:17:44 08/23/02 Fri
Now THAT was some fine sharing, Thanks John. I can imagine all those men were full of MAGICIAN energy, weaving music around them for all to see. Just like Gandalf or Merlin or others, age brings on wisdom and knowledge and that can manifest into confidence and courage. Like all good magicians, there comes a time to step away from being the apprentice and start weaving your own magic.
Go out there and make things happen! Weave your own magic for all to see. Effect lives, change perspectives!
Yes, John I have seen YES live. I went with Dave one time. We shared an awesome joint and got there and had a great time!
I have also seen Jon Anderson back in 81 when he toured alone with the release of his ANIMATION album.
THAT WAS GREAT!
I really enjoy their LADDER album...I wasn't too please with TALK, but LADDER brought back the old magic along with some new energy with the two new members.
[> Subject: The set list


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 01:03:08 08/24/02 Sat
CLASSIS YES TOUR
AUGUST 21, 2002 PHOENIX, ARIZONA

SIBERIAN KHATRU
AMERICA
IN THE PRESENCE OF…..
WE HAVE HEAVEN
SOUTHSIDE OF THE SKY
THE REVEALING SCIENCE OF GOD
STEVE’S SOLO…Mood for a Day/The Ancient/Little Galliard
INTERMISSION
JON’S SOLO…Birthday Song/Show Me
RICK’S SOLO…Six Wives/Wondrous Stories/And you & I (with Jon)
HEART OF THE SUNRISE
MAGNIFICATION
DON’T KILL THE WHALE
SQUIRE/WHITE…Fish/Tempus Fugit/Sound Chaser/Silent Wings
AWAKEN

ENCORES:
ROUNDABOUT
YOURS IS NO DISGRACE
Subject: This is what life is all about baby!


Author:
Jeff - Man with Mission
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Date Posted: 16:05:54 08/26/02 Mon
I'd like to pass on something that a woman emailed to me today. We've met online, "talked" for a good week and met on Friday. The evening went well. She wanted to come over during the weekend and we did last night. The sex was good. There was much healing for her after suffering with abuse at young age and some self esteem issues....she's a working mom with two kids. She's 32 and quite the amazon. 6ft and 215 lbs. Yet, she has muscle as she have a reasonable good body after two kids...and biceps harder then mine! Along with a 42D bustline and some nice shapely long legs. She needed a lot of coaxing and affirmation and praise and acceptance last night.
Well here is her message:
'She felt broken/used/less than/Until he handed her the key to her soul and said "I think you misplaced this" Written by me! Thank you for being the man that you are, and helping me remember the woman I am!'
Man what an awesome gift she has given me.

More news: Elizabeth the radio producer is arranging a meetin with me and a program director for am station and sister fm station. I figure an early Sept meeting. We plan on negotiating and discussing marketing stategies. We'll see how this goes in the next couple of weeks.
[> Subject: Re: This is what life is all about baby!


Author:
Curt
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Date Posted: 19:28:09 08/26/02 Mon
Good work my friend - on both counts!
[> Subject: Re: This is what life is all about baby!


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 02:57:03 08/27/02 Tue
Jeff, you've been a busy boy lately. I imagine it's been very liberating being a single man again. You have a lot of catching up to do. What are your views on settling down in a long term relationship or marriage again?

The radio show sounds like an exciting prospect. I think you'd be great for this kind of thing. You have the interest in your subject, a great sense of humor, and that training as an actor from days gone by. I'm looking forward to hearing the tapes of your shows.
[> [> Subject: Re: This is what life is all about baby!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 10:56:01 08/27/02 Tue
Thanks for the kudos guys!

I have been doing a LOT of catching up...as I've had four separate lovers so far. #4 I believe will be more consistant as the others were more one night stands. As far as long term, I have a few parameters which need to be met:
1) She ought to be financially SOUND and have professional career. This way she already has her financial independance.
2) A good 70% emotional stability - whatever THAT means.(NO MAJOR SYNDROMES or DISORDERS!!)
3) Able to accept and support my eccentric behavior.
4) Health consciencious and has an established healthy lifestyle. Basically, she's gotta be hot!! Not necessarily a barbie, more of a Xena - type.
5)Prefer a lawyer, successful doctor or maybe a woman who is successful in the arts...art director or CEO of art related company.

Doesn't mean I won't date and screw other women, just means I want a comfortable and intriguing relationship for a long term committment. I'm willing to marry again, once my attorneys can confirm her portfolio. :)
Subject: Hogalum Wasteland????


Author:
Jeff Mua-deeb 'My name is a killing word'
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Date Posted: 08:27:08 08/28/02 Wed
What the hell is up with you guys. This site really sucks!!! My judgement. I think I'll just check this site once a week, due to the lack of participation. Is everyone else feeling fine with this? Is this the result of two years gone by without all of us together? Or has 2002 turned into the year of us guys no longer interested in the rest of group's activities and lives?
Its like a fucking ghost town here. I check the site and all I see is a lone tumbleweed lazily rolling across Main Street!
What the hell is going on?
Should we plan for a Nov. get together???? Or Dec??? In order to recommitt? Are you all ready to recommitt or fully prepared to call an end?
I believe Curt is connecting more with others then this group, I continue to get more from other groups especially as this one wanes so low...that I all do is blow out weekly diary entries full of data and nonsense. John is struggling in his pit of depression and lonliness and uncertainty, I don't know what the fuck Ken is doing.....

This isn't getting better guys, its getting worse. So, I'm throwing out a call to arms here. I am unsure about getting together. I gotta call my mother and borrow 200.00 to pay the accountant for the three years of taxes that we never submitted. I gotta get it done within the week and Kim refuses to pay her half so.....other then a plane ticket thats all I got.
But maybe I can scrap up 200.00 in time for Nov.
In the meantime, I want to hear some serious shit from you guys. I want to know whats goin' on, I wanna know what you are feeling, How committed are you to stay in touch and what does that look like? Once a day, once a week, Every tues. and thurs.??????
Something!!!!

I challenge each man to answer the following questions:
Are you comfortable with the amount of interaction taking place amongst the group? What am I going to do to include myself at this site?
[> Subject: Re: Hogalum Wasteland????


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 01:04:41 08/29/02 Thu
I'm back and I'm trying to contribute a bit here, but mostly I've been laying low and healing emotionally.

>Should we plan for a Nov. get together???? Or Dec???

I still think a Phx get together is quite feasible. Curt, Ken and I all have free places to stay there. I think Ken was the only one opposed to this idea, but since he lives there what is he going to do, protest the plan by going out of town when we show up?

>Are you comfortable with the amount of interaction
>taking place amongst the group? What am I going to do
>to include myself at this site?

I noticed the silence as soon as I went to Thailand. I posted a few messages from there hoping that you guys would share a little because I missed you and I wanted to know that my friends were still out there. Again, I am sorry that I haven't been able to share more with you all right now. That will come with time. I am trying.

Even if I don't post regularly I do check in often. I will respond to any questions or contribute to a discussion if I think I have something worth adding.

I fear that Ken's system might be down again. Give him a little time.
Subject: Friday and Frisky


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 07:40:19 08/30/02 Fri
Ok, I admit I'm feeling frisky due to getting laid last night by the amazon woman. She is nice. She is funny when she makes remarks about HER fear that I will become too attached, as she is raising two children, working and going to school to be a paralegal AND she is 32 while I'm 40. I ask myself, who is she really making the remarks to me or to herself.
I met a woman here at work on Tues. We attended some boring seminar for three hrs. I started inquiring about her....we sent a half dozen emails back and forth after the seminar...sure enough, she invites me to go up north with her to her family cottage. I think I'll go....walk in the woods, screw her in the cabin, make a big bonfire Sat. night and screw her all night and leave Sunday....depending on how good she is. MEOW!!!!
God is good! I ask for comfort and nurturing and let it go and I am getting so much of it.
On the homefront, my arch nemisis is on the rampage again. She refused to let me have the kids on Sunday and this last Wed...citing that Hayden gets worse after each visit. (I know she is up to something. She is gonna attempt to try to get doctor's orders which she thinks will superceed (sp) my court order. (I've already talked with police on this for next Wed.)
I'm still waiting patiently for that bus to run out of control into the her bedroom while she sleeps.

Thats it with me. Hey John, I appreciate you are taking time to heal, how about some sharing here? You have told us SO little. Do we have to wait until we finally get together? What steps are you taking to heal? Are you trying to numb yourself? Trying to just forget it? Are you sitting in the tub with the shower on having a good cry? Hittin' the bong? What????

And where the hell is Ken? I don't think its his PC, he was able to load up his latest Mag chapter on Monday. It seems like ever since I sent that email regarding "junior" which still cracks me up....damn I think I'm so damn funny....once Ken and I had an 'understanding', he just dropped off. I'm sure thats not the trigger but thats the only juicey thing which occurred so I'm gonna go with that...just for the hell of it.

C'mon guys.....
Subject: Doom and gloom


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 00:25:17 09/01/02 Sun
For those of you wondering, Ken is still alive, although I don't know what's wrong yet. He said he'll post soon.

I shot an email off to him recently to check in and I mentioned something everyone should consider. If something were to happen to one of us, something bad, would our family know to contact the rest of us? I'm thinking of a bad accident, serious illness, or even death. If something were to happen I would want to know about it so that I could help or even be there for support.

This gets more difficult when you consider that Jeff and I live alone. We both need to leave some kind of document listing contacts and what to do in the event of an emergency. I have something like this so that my parents will know, but without instructions to contact you guys it would appear that I just dropped out. After weeks you might eventually find that my flight went down, or that I was in an accident. This is something to consider and we each need to act on this for ourselves. Don't take the attitude that nothing bad can happen to you. Don't procrastinate. Write up something now and put it where it will be found, or leave specific instructions with your family.
Subject: Great, Men are Talking!!!


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 23:09:38 09/01/02 Sun
Just got back from Northern WI, with a fellow employee. Geez, what a time. More trouble then what it was worth. I should have stayed home, rather then try and get laid...oh well. Now I'm getting sick....Damn those mouth passing germs...I told that woman to STOP kissing me, but would she respect my wishes????!!!!
OH MY GOD!!! Have you guys seen Jerry Lewis???That fucker has gained a shitload of weight. I understand he was on meds that caused it....his head is huge...he looks like Mayor McCheese!!!

Anyway, Hey John, maybe we could split the cost of a room in Chandler? We ought to pick a freakin' month first....Nov. or Dec.???

I could stay with Chris, but I seriously would NOT feel safe with him.
Subject: Howdy, strangers!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 18:33:20 09/01/02 Sun
Hello, all.

I apologize for being absent. As I told John, things have been weird lately.

I guess you could say I am depressed, although it doesn't usually feel like depression so much as simple irritability and lack of energy. It comes and goes.

Last month's computer and car problems turned into this month's ongoing computer and car problems, and I have spent a fortune on new appliances and repairs and such, but that is just backdrop for my generally crappy mood.

I have been interviewing for different positions at Verizon, as I have grown tired of my current job. Unfortunately, the economy is poor, so I am not getting anywhere, as the various departments are all jammed with people clinging to their jobs for dear life.

I don't see the economy getting any better any time soon, either. In fact, I believe strongly that it is going to get much worse. This is not simple pessimism, either, as I watch political and economic news very carefully. Everyone laughed at me when I pulled out of the stock market, but it tanked shortly thereafter.

I am sure Jeff and Curt would find this silly, but I get very frustrated with many government policies, and not just the ones that are irreparably damaging our economy. The beating of drums to invade Iraq again, for instance, fills me with revulsion. I am not a chest-thumping flag waver, but I am intensely patriotic. I love what this country stood for, the principles upon which it was founded, and it makes me sick to see this grand experiment ending in failure. We all take self-government for granted, but we are losing it, and our ignoramus fund-raiser-in-chief is not only not stopping it, he is spearheading the effort.

I am trying to write, but I am frustrated at the lack of time. I labor over everything I write, and the time I do spend seems like just odd moments at odd intervals.

In answer to the question, "am I satisfied with the level of participation on the board," the answer is "no." However, I think the level of participation is in keeping with the general acceptance by everyone that our unusual friendship is winding to a close.

I am extremely disappointed that we have not gotten together. September would have been ideal for me, but that opportunity is past, as the deadline for September vacation requests has passed. We can certainly meet some time in October, but I want and need a vacation as well, and Phoenix is not my idea of a vacation spot. November and December are not possible for me.

First, there were five of us, then four, then three, and now the opportunity is slipping away and we rarely even bring up the topic. This depresses me.

John has talked about his friends moving away and how it makes him feel alone. To be perfectly candid, I don't have any other friends I hold in esteem as high as I do you three. Lots of acquaintances, some I even call friends, but I have never connected with any other men the way I have with you.

I have always felt I had a particularly synchronous relationship with John, and as time has passed, I felt I came to know and respect Jeff much more. I was happy and relieved to feel that Curt and I had begun to patch things up after so many years of tension.

Now, John's Thailand trips seem to have trumped our reunion, Jeff seems primarily interested in getting his dick wet, and Curt is so busy with work and family that there's nothing left over. These are gross generalizations, but essentially accurate, I feel. I disagreed with Curt when he said we were growing apart, but he was right.

Anyway, I am disappointed and sad, and having more than my share of mundane aggravations, but nothing life-threatening. I am keeping very busy, and trying to appreciate and make the most of what I do have. And I am trying to keep that little robot John talks about from taking over my life.

One bright spot has been Laura, a co-worker of mine with whom I have grown very close. She is very sweet and kind-hearted, intelligent and funny, and she feels the same about me. Perhaps I will give you a detailed description of her genitalia one day, and tell you how I swooped down from on high, freeing her from her self-imposed isolation by convincing her to give me a blow job. But then again, no.

It was a big thrill to get my copy of Futures in the mail with my story published in it. I'm optimistic they will publish my other story, too.

Also, I have managed to build a detailed sketch of a character I call Neal Finnerty, a news reporter and all-around colorful character whom I intend to use as the chief protagonist in some short stories, and eventually, a novel (or two).

When I am not feeling creative, I play webmaster for my mom's new website. I just take her word processor docs and turn them into web pages with a simple template, and I have whipped up some graphics, too. Her monthly traffic went from 10 in April to just over 3,000 in August, and she now has 23 subscribers to her newsletter. She hasn't been this happy in a long time.

I don't know how much -- if any -- of this has made any sense, but this is pretty much where I'm at. I've got to write another Magnetron instalment now, so I won't bother with any editing here.

Well, I read back through it, and it's pretty rough all right, but that's essentially what I wanted to say.
[> Subject: Hello, friend


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 22:16:10 09/01/02 Sun
Ken, thank you for reconnecting with us. You were missed.

I want to respond to a number of things Ken has posted. I have liberal quotes here to try to keep things clear. Sorry if it goes back and forth too much.

>I guess you could say I am depressed, although it
>doesn't usually feel like depression so much as simple
>irritability and lack of energy. It comes and goes.

Man, this has been a tough year for all of us. I also have difficulty finding the energy and that has been coupled with extreme sadness. Someday I will be able to talk about what has been happening.

I'm sorry to hear about the ongoing technical problems, especially since I would love it if you would drive down here someday. Friday my truck broke down and I have to wait until Tuesday to get it to a garage. Then it will probably sit in the shop behind the mile-long queue of backlogged repairs from the holiday weekend. All of that troubles me far less than the dreaded mechanic's bill.

>I am trying to write, but I am frustrated at the lack
>of time. I labor over everything I write, and the
>time I do spend seems like just odd moments at odd
>intervals.

Hey, that sounds exactly like my own writing experiences on any given day of the year! Welcome to my life. Sorry. I do understand that this means something different for you because of your goals. Sometimes these things seem like they'll never end, but I have faith that you'll be back on track very soon. When I look at how much you've written over the last 2 years, not to mention the quality, I know you will make it as a writer.

>I think the level of participation is
>in keeping with the general acceptance by everyone
>that our unusual friendship is winding to a close.

Excuse me? If we wind this thing down it will be from our own choosing. I won't speak for the others, but I am not withdrawing my friendship, nor am I fading away.

>I am extremely disappointed that we have not gotten
>together. September would have been ideal for me, but
>that opportunity is past, as the deadline for
>September vacation requests has passed. We can
>certainly meet some time in October, but I want and
>need a vacation as well, and Phoenix is not my idea of
>a vacation spot.

I'm sorry, Ken, but I thought you told us all you were taking your vacation in the Summer while I was gone. Perhaps I remember this wrong. My suggestion for Phx, again, was also accounting for your need to stay in town to work. I guess we all need to look at this issue again and see what we can possibly work out.

>First, there were five of us, then four, then three,
>and now the opportunity is slipping away and we rarely
>even bring up the topic. This depresses me.

The topic probably isn't brought up much because we know that it's not an easy one to work out. I also want to get together, but I don't think I can make a vacation of it. Perhaps you should consider taking a break and getting out of Phx if you need that. Then consider my suggestion about meeting in Phx again. I know it doesn't sound as fun, but it seems workable. Also, if our reunion isn't linked with the concept of a vacation, that will probably take one hell of a load off the expecations during the reunion.

>John has talked about his friends moving away and how
>it makes him feel alone. To be perfectly candid, I
>don't have any other friends I hold in esteem as high
>as I do you three. Lots of acquaintances, some I even
>call friends, but I have never connected with any
>other men the way I have with you.

I miss you guys so much, but I know it just isn't practical to see you every month. When I see a significant post on the board, or when I get that "rare" personal email, that means a lot to me. It means that despite the physical distance between us, my friend wants to stay connected and share with me. Then I don't feel as alone. Write to us, post something meaningful, or visit us. Take a chance to meet with us when we come back to Phx for whatever reason. I can honestly say that I have never regretted one meeting with you, Ken. In fact, I treasure them.

>I have always felt I had a particularly synchronous
>relationship with John...

Thank you for acknowledging that, Ken. The feeling is mutual.

>Now, John's Thailand trips seem to have trumped our
>reunion, Jeff seems primarily interested in getting
>his dick wet, and Curt is so busy with work and family
>that there's nothing left over. These are gross
>generalizations, but essentially accurate, I feel.

Yes, there is some truth here, but I feel that you are overstating this. I haven't been choosing Thailand over you guys so that I can frolic by the beach. I have been deeply involved with Aoy and that had the potential for reshaping my life in a big way.

I can also see that you're uncomfortable with the way Jeff has been talking about his latest exploits. In my view, Jeff is being his wacky self, building up the experiences the same way he can describe our reunions as a cabal for world domination. I also understand that he has wasted too many of his years with Kim and he's got to work this out of his system. He clearly states his priority is our friendship, even though he likes to threaten to withdraw if we don't participate. Jeff=drama.

Curt has been busy, but I have learned this much about him. He has excellent priorities and if he wants something 9 times out of 10 he can make it happen. If we plan a meeting, Curt's the last one I worry about not making it.

>I disagreed with Curt when he said we were growing
>apart, but he was right.

Relationships take two, or more. I'll say it again. I'm not giving up and I'm not going. The rest is up to you.

>One bright spot has been Laura, a co-worker of mine
>with whom I have grown very close. She is very sweet
>and kind-hearted, intelligent and funny, and she feels
>the same about me.

That's wonderful. Good luck on building this new friendship.

>It was a big thrill to get my copy of Futures in the
>mail with my story published in it. I'm optimistic
>they will publish my other story, too.

1. Where do I get a copy of this thing?
2. Which story did you submit after the first one?

>When I am not feeling creative, I play webmaster for
>my mom's new website.

What is the subject? Can we see it, too?
[> [> Subject: Re: Hello, friend


Author:
Jeff
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Date Posted: 00:05:55 09/02/02 Mon
>Ken, thank you for reconnecting with us. You were
>missed.
Me too, me too, I want to say something too!!!!! My comments come after John's....



>I want to respond to a number of things Ken has
>posted. I have liberal quotes here to try to keep
>things clear. Sorry if it goes back and forth too much.
>
>>I guess you could say I am depressed, although it
>>doesn't usually feel like depression so much as simple
>>irritability and lack of energy. It comes and goes.
>
>Man, this has been a tough year for all of us. I also
>have difficulty finding the energy and that has been
>coupled with extreme sadness. Someday I will be able
>to talk about what has been happening.
No fucking shit!!!! I believe timing is everything. When I had moved out back in Dec. and I was sharing my fears of fear and worry and depression and feeling alone...you guys were in a good place and I could lean on you men for support. I suggest Ken AND John, that you guys do the same. Yes, I am in a better place now. I would be honored to have you men lean on me for help.(until a woman comes by, then I may need you to lean the other way...so as not to cramp my style.) :)

I want to suggest again, that you guys go see the movie "SIGNS". I continue to be amazed at the synchronisity of life. I flow in and out of people's lives and vice versa for a reason and a desire. The signs are around us. Find your signs!!! See what the world you live in is trying to tell you!


>
>>I am trying to write, but I am frustrated at the lack
>>of time. I labor over everything I write, and the
>>time I do spend seems like just odd moments at odd
>>intervals.
>
>Hey, that sounds exactly like my own writing
>experiences on any given day of the year! Welcome to
>my life. Sorry. I do understand that this means
>something different for you because of your goals.
>Sometimes these things seem like they'll never end,
>but I have faith that you'll be back on track very
>soon. When I look at how much you've written over the
>last 2 years, not to mention the quality, I know you
>will make it as a writer.

Ken, we all have faith in you. You are a very good writer and storyteller. Your Mags segments bring me such joy. As my idol Jon Anderson sings, I rededicate these words TO KEN. An expression of my gift of support to You.

I awoke this morning
Love laid me down by the river
Drifting I turned on up stream
Bound for my forgiver
In the giving of my eyes to see your face
Sound did silence me
Leaving no trace
I beg to leave, to hear your wonderous stories
Beg to hear your wonderous stories

He spoke of lands not far
Nor lands they were in his mind
Of fusion captured high
Where reason captured his time
In no time at all he took me to the gate
In haste I quickly
Checked the time
If I was late
I had to leave, to hear your wonderous stories
Had to hear your wonderous stories

Hearing
Hearing hearing your wonderous stories
Hearing your wonderous stories

It is no lie I see deeply into the future
Imagine everything
You're close
And were you there
To stand so cautiously at first
And then so high
As he spoke my spirit climbed into the sky
I bid it to return
To hear your wonderous stories
Return to hear your wonderous stories
Return to hear your wonderous stories

Keep being wonderful Ken!!!


>
>>I think the level of participation is
>>in keeping with the general acceptance by everyone
>>that our unusual friendship is winding to a close.
>
>Excuse me? If we wind this thing down it will be from
>our own choosing. I won't speak for the others, but I
>am not withdrawing my friendship, nor am I fading away.

Nor I, as I've joked around, the ratio of Jeff Comments vs everyone else's Comments has got to be 3 to 1. You guys are a part of who I am. You are family.


>>I am extremely disappointed that we have not gotten
>>together. September would have been ideal for me, but
>>that opportunity is past, as the deadline for
>>September vacation requests has passed. We can
>>certainly meet some time in October, but I want and
>>need a vacation as well, and Phoenix is not my idea of
>>a vacation spot.

Oct. will not work for me as my pre-trial hearing for the divorce is Oct. 2nd. This date will either end the marriage or determine that we go to fucking trial. Thats why I've suggested a Nov. Dec. visit.

>
>I'm sorry, Ken, but I thought you told us all you were
>taking your vacation in the Summer while I was gone.
>Perhaps I remember this wrong. My suggestion for Phx,
>again, was also accounting for your need to stay in
>town to work. I guess we all need to look at this
>issue again and see what we can possibly work out.
>
Thats right John, Ken you did state you were taking time off. Thats one of the reasons I have've hassled you cuz I thought you were probably ON vacation. Sorry to hear that work is so frustrating.

>>John has talked about his friends moving away and how
>>it makes him feel alone. To be perfectly candid, I
>>don't have any other friends I hold in esteem as high
>>as I do you three. Lots of acquaintances, some I even
>>call friends, but I have never connected with any
>>other men the way I have with you.

Hey, go do a warrior weekend! hehe....you'll get that group of friends you can trust and rely on for support.(just an idea.)

Thanks for the nice words Ken.

>>Now, John's Thailand trips seem to have trumped our
>>reunion, Jeff seems primarily interested in getting
>>his dick wet, and Curt is so busy with work and family
>>that there's nothing left over. These are gross
>>generalizations, but essentially accurate, I feel.
>
>Yes, there is some truth here, but I feel that you are
>overstating this. I haven't been choosing Thailand
>over you guys so that I can frolic by the beach. I
>have been deeply involved with Aoy and that had the
>potential for reshaping my life in a big way.
>
>I can also see that you're uncomfortable with the way
>Jeff has been talking about his latest exploits. In my
>view, Jeff is being his wacky self, building up the
>experiences the same way he can describe our reunions
>as a cabal for world domination. I also understand
>that he has wasted too many of his years with Kim and
>he's got to work this out of his system. He clearly
>states his priority is our friendship, even though he
>likes to threaten to withdraw if we don't participate.
>Jeff=drama.
Hehe, yes, Jeff IS drama. Sure I take some truth of my sexual triumphs and slap a smartass twist to it. I do that because I know I can break away and be crass and obnoxious with you guys and 'talk' like a horrible jackass. Its fun for me and a nice release. Seriously, I AM enjoying the female energy I've been entwined with these few months. Its healing and comforting and reenergizes me. I feel wanted and desired and less likely to get depressed.


>Curt has been busy, but I have learned this much about
>him. He has excellent priorities and if he wants
>something 9 times out of 10 he can make it happen. If
>we plan a meeting, Curt's the last one I worry about
>not making it.
>
>>I disagreed with Curt when he said we were growing
>>apart, but he was right.
>
>Relationships take two, or more. I'll say it again.
>I'm not giving up and I'm not going. The rest is up to
>you.

REMEMBER: FEAR IS USELESS, TRUST IS WHAT IS NEEDED. Trust that we will still be at your side when you are in need. Trust that we can work together and see each other soon. Trust that we will stay connected. Trust that when I get on the plane, and the 747 Midwest Express flight is over Phx. that Midwest Express DOESN"T take just ANYONE to cross the picket line to fly their planes.
Captain: "This is your new capt. speaking...as we fly over Phx. wave hello AND goodbye as we will be flying directly BACK to Milwaukee.
Passengers: ?????(mumble, mumble)
Captain: Sorry for the inconveniece folks but apparently one of our passengers, A Mr. Jeff Nerone, thinks he's just gonna fly off to see his 'buddies' and NOT be held responsible for LEAVING his family 10 months ago!
Passengers: ?????(mumble, mumble)
Captain: So prepare for a quick turn around and another 3 hr flight back. You can thank Mr. Nerone for the inconvenience. Capt. Kim Nerone out.
Passenger sitting at row 24C (Jeff Nerone) Nnnnnnooooooo!!!!!!


>
>>One bright spot has been Laura, a co-worker of mine
>>with whom I have grown very close. She is very sweet
>>and kind-hearted, intelligent and funny, and she feels
>>the same about me.
>
>That's wonderful. Good luck on building this new
>friendship.

If you need any pointers Ken, Come sit down and tell Mr. X
all your troubles. :)

>>It was a big thrill to get my copy of Futures in the
>>mail with my story published in it. I'm optimistic
>>they will publish my other story, too.
>
>1. Where do I get a copy of this thing?
>2. Which story did you submit after the first one?

The story is THE STORYREADER. Ken mentioned the mag was distributed by Barnes & Noble, but I don't see it out here in midwest.

Its 1am, I'm tired and my nose is running and my throat is getting sore.....you guys KEEP writing here. Especially if you are feeling down. DON"T fade off especially when sad, keep us posted, every day if that's what it takes.
[> [> Subject: Back atcha, buckeroo!


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 00:37:30 09/02/02 Mon
>Man, this has been a tough year for all of us. I also
>have difficulty finding the energy and that has been
>coupled with extreme sadness. Someday I will be able
>to talk about what has been happening.

What little you have told me is very sad. Aoy's family sounds chillingly similar to my family.

>the dreaded mechanic's bill.

I hear ya. I've nearly $2000 into mine just this year.

>When I look at how much you've written over the
>last 2 years, not to mention the quality, I know you
>will make it as a writer.

Thank you. That means a lot. I only wish you had been reading enough to correct me when I referred to Thailand instead of Siam. I just finished correcting six instalments with that historical inaccuracy.

>Excuse me? If we wind this thing down it will be from
>our own choosing. I won't speak for the others, but I
>am not withdrawing my friendship, nor am I fading away.

It feels that way. Not you in particular, but it feels that way. Maybe I am overreacting.

>I'm sorry, Ken, but I thought you told us all you were
>taking your vacation in the Summer while I was gone.
>Perhaps I remember this wrong.

No, but I still have vacation time left.

>My suggestion for Phx,
>again, was also accounting for your need to stay in
>town to work. I guess we all need to look at this
>issue again and see what we can possibly work out.

Agreed.

>I also
>want to get together, but I don't think I can make a
>vacation of it. Perhaps you should consider taking a
>break and getting out of Phx if you need that. Then
>consider my suggestion about meeting in Phx again. I
>know it doesn't sound as fun, but it seems workable.
>Also, if our reunion isn't linked with the concept of
>a vacation, that will probably take one hell of a load
>off the expecations during the reunion.

I understand your viewpoint. I just don't agree with it. I won't let this stand in the way of our meeting, though.

>I miss you guys so much, but I know it just isn't
>practical to see you every month. When I see a
>significant post on the board, or when I get that
>"rare" personal email, that means a lot to me. It
>means that despite the physical distance between us,
>my friend wants to stay connected and share with me.
>Then I don't feel as alone.

I am back to agreeing.

>Yes, there is some truth here, but I feel that you are
>overstating this. I haven't been choosing Thailand
>over you guys so that I can frolic by the beach. I
>have been deeply involved with Aoy and that had the
>potential for reshaping my life in a big way.

I don't begrudge you that, John. And I would certainly never stage a "choose now: Aoy or Hogalums" ultimatum. However, it seems that at the very least, events have arranged just such a choice for you, and we lost out. It's not that I blame you, or even that I think you made the wrong decision. I don't. It just doesn't feel very good.

>I can also see that you're uncomfortable with the way
>Jeff has been talking about his latest exploits.

Yes, I find it prurient, sophomoric, and boring all at the same time.

>I also understand
>that he has wasted too many of his years with Kim and
>he's got to work this out of his system.

Okay.

>Curt has been busy, but I have learned this much about
>him. He has excellent priorities and if he wants
>something 9 times out of 10 he can make it happen. If
>we plan a meeting, Curt's the last one I worry about
>not making it.

Probably more like 999 times out of 1000.

>>One bright spot has been Laura, a co-worker of mine
>>with whom I have grown very close. She is very sweet
>>and kind-hearted, intelligent and funny, and she feels
>>the same about me.
>
>That's wonderful. Good luck on building this new
>friendship.

Thanks! I'm having fun, anyway.

>>It was a big thrill to get my copy of Futures in the
>>mail with my story published in it. I'm optimistic
>>they will publish my other story, too.
>
>1. Where do I get a copy of this thing?

I am told it's available at Borders, but I'm not certain it is. The damned thing is $11, though, so if you want one, I'll get you a copy with my discount. I can also just make you a photocopy.

>2. Which story did you submit after the first one?

"To Do Over." I don't think you've read it.

>>When I am not feeling creative, I play webmaster for
>>my mom's new website.
>
>What is the subject? Can we see it, too?

You are welcome to visit, but I guarantee it will bore the crap out of you. It is about wardrobe planning and online clothes shopping and such, but it has very user-friendly navigation, thank you very much. www.mypersonalstyle.com
Subject: Q & A


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 08:04:39 09/02/02 Mon
I want to get that spirit of sharing going again.
After we got together again Dave sent us a little
questionaire prompting a bit of self-disclosure.
I'm not sure if he wrote it or passed it on to us
after receiving it himself (does it really matter?)
but it certainly opened us up a bit and I'm thankful
for that.

I'd like to get things rolling again with my own
questionaire. Please take the time to answer these
questions for yourself. I want you to put some thought
into your answers, but don't over analyze them. Often,
your first instinct or insight is the right one. Be open,
be truthful, and allow us to learn something about you.
You may even learn something about yourself.

If you think of additional questions or even entirely
new ways of self-exploration that we can feasibly
share online, that's great. I invite and hope that
you will each add to this "project".

It's been a couple of years since we did something like
this, so some questions may repeat or echo our previous
survey. Some questions may seem deep, unimportant, silly,
challenging, pointless, or inspiring. Some will reveal
a lot about what you value, and some will only point out
a simple matter of taste. But I think all of them will
help us to understand eachother better.

Okay, let's get started.


1. What are a few of the best films you've seen over the last
couple of years? (no min. or max. number or ranking required,
just the most memorable. Add why if you like.)

2. What are a few of the best books you've read over the last
couple of years? (Same stipulations)

3. What music is moving you these days? List some of your
top artists and their discs.

4. If time or money was no problem, name 5 destinations that
you have never visited that you would like to travel to.

5. What do you like best about yourself?

6. What do you like least about yourself?

7. At what age did you feel you were truly an adult?

8. If you could be granted any 3 skills right now that you
don't already possess, what would they be?

9. What do you do to relax?

10. What energizes or revitalizes you?

11. What are you most curious about?

12. What subject, skill, or interest do you feel you have
the greatest mastery, ability or understanding of?

13. If you were on the game show Jeopardy, what categories
would love to see?

14. And the reverse, what categories would you fear?

15. What were your favorite classes?

16. Which required classes did you dread?

17. Which myths, legends, or popular stories resonate
with you?

18. Have you ever had a brush with death?

19. What would you do if you won $1,000,000?

20. Or $100,000,000?

21. If you could live anywhere, where would you call home?



Here are some excellent questions from my favorite Zen
teacher, Cheri Huber. She advises to answer these
quickly without "thinking".

22. I'm happiest when...

23. Someday I'm going to...

24. When I'm really down, what I want to do is...

25. I feel anxious when...

26. I'm afraid that...

27. I like people who...

28. All it takes to make me happy is...

29. What I really want to do is...

30. I wish that...

31. I don't like people who...

32. A person really should...

33. I just hate it that...
[> Subject: John's answers


Author:
John
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Date Posted: 08:09:07 09/02/02 Mon
Okay, I'm longwinded again. Answer as briefly or as in much
detail as you like. Just be honest with yourself and with
us. Otherwise, what's the point?


John's answers:

1. What are a few of the best films you've seen over the last
couple of years? (no min. or max. number or ranking required,
just the most memorable. Add why if you like.)

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon - visually magnificent with
great characters. Technically and artistically astounding.
Fine acting and fight choreography. An adventure film that's
also quite moving.

Amelie - refreshingly unique. An artistic film with
wonderful humor. The gnome is my favorite part.

The Lord of the Rings - One of the finest adaptations of
a novel. The people involved clearly have a love for the
original work. I think the next installment will be twice
as good.

Arabian Nights - This was a recent production by Hallmark
for television, but it's available on video now. It's better
than 95% of theatrical releases. They took some of the best
tales from the epic collection and wove them around the same
framing device: Scheherezade's storytelling. Beyond the
excellent production value and the truly entertaining stories,
I think I like the diversity the best. These are not merely
Arabic stories. They span many of the lands and peoples of
the Middle East and Asia.


2. What are a few of the best books you've read over the last
couple of years? (Same stipulations)

Nightlamp and Maske: Thaery. Both by Jack Vance. He has the
ability to create believable portraits of alien cultures, and
in he is at his finest in these two novels. I believe his stint
in the Merchant Marines taught him about how diverse humans
are culturally. Most of his writings are set on worlds
colonized by humans long ago and many that have been left to
evolve on their own over time. In some instances he reflects the
physical changes that new environments have molded, as Larry
Niven does, but mostly he weaves his stories around the societal
issues of each world. Facinating stuff and fun plots as well.


3. What music is moving you these days? List some of your
top artists and their discs.

The Enid - The Spell, The Seed and the Sower, The White Goddess,
and Salome are among their finest titles. A little known duo
from the U.K. They have been making music for about 20 years
now, but it's so eccentric that they will always be a minor
fringe group. Their work truly moves me. I love it. If I made
a film they would be my first choice to do the score.

David Sylvian (yes, still) - Dead Bees On A Cake and Gone
To Earth are masterpieces. Incredible music with lyrics that
celebrate the beauty and mystery of life.

Sade - Love Deluxe. This one's been out for many years, but
for me it's her masterpiece. I wish some woman would sing
like this about me someday.

Paul Haslinger - Score. An accidental find at Zia that turned
out to be a favorite disc. I asked to hear a little in the
store because I knew him as a one time member of Tangerine
Dream and I was curious to hear what he would do on his own.
He was clearly wasted in TD. I'm so glad he moved on because
his own stuff is an innovative fusion of world music and
electronica.

Nicholas Lens - Flamma Flamma (The Fire Requiem). Wow!
Dramatic, powerful, and mythic. A thoroughly modern requiem
with a libretto in Latin! This one goes way out on a limb,
so I suspect you will love it or hate the hell out of it.
If you hate opera you might want to stay away, but if you
have an open mind give this a chance.

Vangelis - El Greco. The guy is still at it, and he's getting
better and better. This is a tribute to the great 16th C.
artist. Operatic vocals here too.

David Bowie - Outside. A concept album that never sold. Also,
his greatest work, ever. How come I always like the albums
that don't sell? Tormato is one of my favorite YES albums,
and Magical Mystery Tour is the only Beatles album I like.
Go figure! The genius Brian Eno produces Bowie again and the
sounds are mezmerizing. It's like a musical dreamworld filled
with compelling images that can never fully be understood by
the conscious mind.

Bel Canto - Images and Magic Box. I can't get over them. This
time it's a Norwegian duo. Unlike any other group I've heard
before. They have their own style and voice. A great musical
sense that varies from album to album. They don't stagnate like
some groups. Lyrically, the emphasis is on the internal world.
Anneli has one of the most beautiful voices I've ever heard.


4. If time or money was no problem, name 5 destinations that
you have never visited that you would like to travel to.

* The ruins of ancient Egypt. This is the highest on the list,
but because of the current political climate I will probably
not feel safe to go in the next 10 years. Hopefully, things
will change for the better.
* Iceland, to take in some of the most dramatic landscapes on
the planet.
* Kyoto, Japan. The ancient capitol and home of Bunraku
puppet theatre.
* Prague, Czech Republic. One of the few great cities of
Europe that was relatively untouched by the devastation of
WW II, although this year they had the worst flooding in over
500 years. When you travel, timing is everything.
* Angkor Wat, Cambodia. Every time I go to Thailand I'm only
about 250 miles away from it, but I haven't gone yet. The
country has changed, but I'm still haunted by their terrible
history. Someday I will work up the courage to go.


5. What do you like best about yourself?

That I'm open to the magic in life.


6. What do you like least about yourself?

I'm lazy.


7. At what age did you feel you were truly an adult?

Probably when I was about 28. I've lead a wacky life with
little in the way of responsibility until I started living
with Jennifer. About halfway through that relationship I
began to see life differently.


8. If you could be granted any 3 skills right now that you
don't already possess, what would they be?

* play the piano.
* master Akido.
* dance well.


9. What do you do to relax?

Listen to good music. Take a walk in a good place.


10. What energizes or revitalizes you?

Getting an insight into a problem or challenge.
Discovering a new idea that makes sense or reveals
something about the world.


11. What are you most curious about?

Consciousness. How the mind shapes shapes reality. What
shapes the mind.


12. What subject, skill, or interest do you feel you have
the greatest mastery, ability or understanding of?

Filmmaking.


13. If you were on the game show Jeopardy, what categories
would love to see?

Geography, Europe, Philosophy, Modern Art, WW II, Japan,
Ancient History, Linguistics, and Psychology, of course.


14. And the reverse, what categories would you fear?

Fashion, Country Music, Musicals, Dance, Rap, TV Shows,
Baseball.


15. What were your favorite classes?

Film Production, Humanities, Mythology, Astronomy,
History, Art History.


16. Which required classes did you dread?

AZ Government, PE, Freshman English, Creative Writing.


17. Which myths, legends, or popular stories resonate
with you?

Greek mythology has always appealed to me. The figures
are so flawed and tragic, which brings a certain
realism to the fantastic. The figures of Hades, lord of
the underworld and Poseidon facinates me. Their realms
are strong symbols for the unconscious, what lies
beneath.


18. Have you ever had a brush with death?

A few times on the road. Once a car pulled out from some
bushes and onto the freeway in front of me on a rainy night.
I was doing about 85 and narrowly missed the fool. This was
in Calif.
Another time someone came speeding down a major divided
roadway in the wrong lane, about to hit me head on. Combined
speeds were probably well over 100 mph. I had to instantly
assess my only options and swerve into oncoming traffic from
the other direction to avoid certain death. It all happened in
about 3 seconds and the guy continued speeding off down the
wrong lane.


19. What would you do if you won $1,000,000?

Spend the rest of my life traveling and exploring this
amazing world.


20. Or $100,000,000?

This is more than anyone needs in a lifetime. I would feel
obligated to set up a worthwhile charity or socially
responsible business venture. Then I would travel.


21. If you could live anywhere, where would you call home?

Paris.


22. I'm happiest when...

I'm learning or discovering someplace new.


23. Someday I'm going to...

Be a father.


24. When I'm really down, what I want to do is...

Be comforted by the woman in my life. Most of the time I've
been alone, so you can see the problem here.


25. I feel anxious when...

A social situation demands me to perform when I feel like
being internal. This is rarely a problem at work as I am
shielded by my professional demeanor. I find idle chit chat
and banter the most challenging when I'm with people who
share none of my interests or concerns.


26. I'm afraid that...

I'll always be alone.


27. I like people who...

care about others. Compassion is priceless.


28. All it takes to make me happy is...

to share a good experience with someone I like.


29. What I really want to do is...

God, if I only knew! I don't know, explore the world.


30. I wish that...

I had a career.


31. I don't like people who...

hurt others.


32. A person really should...

offer something of value to the world. Aid, teaching,
creating art, healing, whatever your gift or ability is.


33. I just hate it that...

some people have millions or even billions while others
starve and go homeless.
[> Subject: Re: Q & A


Author:
Jeff's Answers
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: 10:17:10 09/02/02 Mon
>Okay, let's get started.
>
>
>1. What are a few of the best films you've seen over
>the last
>couple of years? (no min. or max. number or ranking
>required,
>just the most memorable. Add why if you like.)

SMOKE SIGNALS-SIGNS-LOVE'S LABOUR'S LOST (ADAPTED FROM SHAKESPERE) SPIDER-MAN -MINORITY REPORT-SHIPPING NEWS


>2. What are a few of the best books you've read over
>the last
>couple of years? (Same stipulations)

RUMI,CONVERSATIONS WITH GOD BOOKS 1&2,JEKYLL & HYDE,ROBERT BLY/IRON JOHN, GORDON DALBEY/SONS OF THE FATHER,GUY CORNEU/ABSENT FATHERS-LOST SONS,ROBERT MOORE/KING WARRIOR MAGICIAN LOVE & THE KING WITHIN, MARVIN ALLEN/ANGRYMEN-PASSIVE MEN, AARON KIPNIS/KNIGHTS WITHOUT ARMOR, JACK KERVOUAC/ON THE ROAD.


>3. What music is moving you these days? List some of
>your
>top artists and their discs.
YES-LADDER
VANGELIS-OCEANIC,VOICES,MYTHODEA
DEAD CAN DANCE (blessing to John for this introduction)
PHILLIP GLASS-ANIMA MUNDI
ART OF NOISE-THE SEDUCTION OF DEBUSSY


>>4. If time or money was no problem, name 5
>destinations that
>you have never visited that you would like to travel
>to.
AMSTERDAM
SCOTLAND
NEW ZEALAND
JAPAN
AUSTRALIA


>5. What do you like best about yourself?
MY CREATIVE SPIRIT


>6. What do you like least about yourself?
MY SECRET DESIRE TO STEP INTO THE DARK SIDE OF PERSONAL INDULGENCE


>7. At what age did you feel you were truly an adult?
AT THE AGE OF 39


>8. If you could be granted any 3 skills right now that
>you
>don't already possess, what would they be?
ABLE TO PERFORM MUSIC LIKE A SEASONED MUSICIAN
DRAW AND PAINT
GRAPHIC ARTIST


>9. What do you do to relax?
LISTEN TO MUSIC WITH INCENSE BURNING, HAVING A SEXUAL ENCOUNTER WITH A WOMAN, SEE A MOVIE,SIT AND READ


>10. What energizes or revitalizes you?
MUSIC, A GREAT CREATIVE IDEA, BRAINSTORMING WITH A FRIEND, GOING SOMEWHERE AND GETTING PAMPERED


>11. What are you most curious about?
MY SPIRITUAL SIDE, PEOPLE I MEET (WONDERING HOW THEY WILL AFFECT MY LIFE AND I AFFECT THEIR LIFE.) WHAT IDEAS OF MINE CAN BECOME A REALITY.


>12. What subject, skill, or interest do you feel you
>have
>the greatest mastery, ability or understanding of?
A NATURAL ABILITY OF SELF REFLECTION AND SELF ANALYSIS AND THE ABILITY TO NARROW DOWN WHAT ISSUES PEOPLE STRUGGLE WITH. A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WOMEN WANT IN REGARDS TO RELATIONSHIPS WITH MEN. ABILITY TO SEE THE POTENTIAL IN OTHERS AND BRING THAT POTENTIAL TO THE SURFACE.


>13. If you were on the game show Jeopardy, what
>categories
>would love to see?
COMIC HEROES AND VILLIANS
NEW WAVE ROCK
EVERYTHING ANDERSON
HOGALUM ENCYCLOPEDIA


>14. And the reverse, what categories would you fear?
ANYTHING ABOUT SCIENCE, MATH, GEOGRAPHY, HISTORY, WORLD EVENTS, AMERICAN HISTORY, BIOLOGY, FARMING, POLITICS, CLASSIC WRITINGS, ACCOUNTING & ECONOMICS.


>15. What were your favorite classes?
WESTERN CIVILIZATION, CREATIVE WRITING, INTRO TO CINEMA, ANGER MANAGEMENT


>16. Which required classes did you dread?
MICROECONOMICS, ACCOUNTING, ENGLISH


>17. Which myths, legends, or popular stories resonate
>with you?
THE LEGEND OF JESUS CHRIST DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS, INSTEAD LIVED ON IN FRANCE AND THE BLOODLINE STILL CONTINUES.
THE STORY THAT SON OF SAM WAS PART OF A LARGER GROUP, HE WAS JUST THE FALL GUY.
UFOS-ALIEN TECHNOLOGY-THERES MORE THE GOV'T HAS THEN WE KNOW


>18. Have you ever had a brush with death?
NO, BUT I'VE SEEN ITS FACE AS MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WAS GASPING AND FIGHTING FOR EVERY SECOND OF LIFE.


>19. What would you do if you won $1,000,000?
BUY A NEW CAR, BRING ALL YOU GUYS UP HERE TO WIS FOR A WEEK, GIVE THE REST TO TRUST COMPANY AND DEVELOP SAFE PORTFOLIO.


>20. Or $100,000,000?
INVEST IN INNER COMPASS LLC, PUBLISH KEN'S BOOKS, SPEND MORE ON CRAP LIKE HOUSE, HOME THEATRE, COMPUTER...
CREATE FUND FOR THE BOYS TO MEN PROGRAM, BUY LAKE PROPERTY AND BUILD CAMP SITE FOR ORG.
TAKE BETTER CARE OF MOM AND HAVE COLLEGE FUNDS IN PLACE FOR KIDS.
BUY MUSIC EQUIPT. AND HELP FRIENDS RECORD NEW ALBUMS WHICH I'LL PRODUCE
GET PERSONAL TRAINER
BUILD CORPORATE EMPIRE


>21. If you could live anywhere, where would you call
>home?
RIGHT HERE


>Here are some excellent questions from my favorite Zen
>teacher, Cheri Huber. She advises to answer these
>quickly without "thinking".
>
>22. I'm happiest when...
I'M CREATING, BRAINSTORMING AND ENVISIONING WONDERFUL PROJECTS.


>23. Someday I'm going to...
GET INNER COMPASS UP AND RUNNING FROM CARDS TO RETAIL TO MAGAZINE.


>24. When I'm really down, what I want to do is...
EAT, LAY IN BED HUGGING PILLOW, DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH MAIL OR ANSWER PHONE OR DEAL WITH LIFE'S RESPONSIBILITIES.
I ALSO WANT TO BE NURTURED BY A WOMAN AND FEEL 'TAKEN CARE OF'.

>25. I feel anxious when...
BILLS OR INNER COMPASS PROJECT SEEMS OVERWHELMING OR IF I FEEL LIKE I'M IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING.


>26. I'm afraid that...
THE LAW FIRM WILL HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS AND NOT BACK ME ON INNER COMPASS, HAYDEN WILL LISTEN TO KIM'S LIES, AND GROW UP TO HATE ME. THAT MY CAR WILL BREAK DOWN BEFORE I CAN BUY A NEWER ONE. THAT MY CREDIT WILL CONTINUE TO SUCK FOR OVER A YEAR. I'M AFRAID OF THE DAY I LEAVE M&I, AND START NEW BUSINESS. I'M AFRAID I WILL FAIL.


>27. I like people who...
HAVE SIMILAR INTERESTS THAT I CAN TALK WITH, ARE CREATIVE, WHO APPRECIATE ME AND VALUE MY CONTRIBUTIONS.


>28. All it takes to make me happy is...
Y'KNOW....MY MIND IS BLANK ON THIS...WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?


>29. What I really want to do is...
I'M TAKING STEPS TO DO WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO, TO CREATE A WORLD OF IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY BY USING MY CREATIVE POWER TO MAKE MY DREAMS COME TRUE AND THAT OF THOSE I MEET.


>30. I wish that...
WE WERE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER EVERY YEAR AT AN EXOTIC LOCATION EACH TIME WITH NO FRET OF MONEY.
I WISH THAT MOM WAS HEALTHIER AND TAKE MORE INITIATIVE.
I WISH CHRIS WOULD GET HIS ACT TOGETHER AND GET SOME HELP.


>31. I don't like people who...
ARE TRULY MEAN, SELF CENTERED AND CRUEL. MEN WHO ENJOY BEING OBNOXIOUS AND ACCEPT BEING A JACKASS. I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO EXPRESS WHY THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING....PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO SPIT OUT EXCUSES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE CLOSE MINDED AND IGNORANT.


>32. A person really should...
GET IN TOUCH WITH THEIR INNER POTENTIAL, SEE ALL THAT THEY DO AS GOOD, SEE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT EXIST AMONGST US ALL AND REACH OUT TO EACH OTHER FOR HELP.



>33. I just hate it that...
I CAN'T MAKE MY DREAMS COME TRUE NOW! THAT IT TAKES TIME. THAT OTHERS DON'T BELIEVE IN THE POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE OF THEIR OWN DOUBTS OR BECAUSE THEY AREN'T AS EXCITED AS I AM. I HATE IT THAT I LIVE PAYCHECK BY PAYCHECK, THAT I'M NOT DIVORCED YET AND KIM KEEPS ATTEMPTING TO CONTROL.
[> Subject: Curt's Responses to the Q & A


Author:
Curt
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: 03:16:49 09/03/02 Tue
Here goes.

>1. What are a few of the best films you've seen over
>the last
>couple of years? (no min. or max. number or ranking
>required,
>just the most memorable. Add why if you like.)

The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, The Insider, Toy Story 2, Dogma,
Fight Club, Ronin, Heat, Gladiator

>2. What are a few of the best books you've read over
>the last
>couple of years? (Same stipulations)

Sci-Fi by Larry Niven
James P. Hogan's Giants trilogy
Brave New World
DS9 "A Stitch in Time" (Book about Garak by the actor who played him)
Mickey Spillaine Mike hammer novels

>3. What music is moving you these days? List some of
>your
>top artists and their discs.

Cranberries, Fiona Apple and
Alternative music from a cable music station.
Various artists (I haven't
gotten around to buying any CDs yet. I was planning on
burning MP3 CDs containing 100s of songs recorded off
of the station.)

>4. If time or money was no problem, name 5
>destinations that
>you have never visited that you would like to travel
>to.

Germany, England, Ireland, Greece and Japan.

>5. What do you like best about yourself?

My ability to problem solve and my ability to get in
touch with my emotions.

>6. What do you like least about yourself?

My ability to procrastinate doing things that are not fun
including things that I want to get done.

>7. At what age did you feel you were truly an adult?

I became sentient around 1979, and I thought of myself as
grown up when my kids started grade school (around 1999).

>8. If you could be granted any 3 skills right now that
>you
>don't already possess, what would they be?

Fluency in German, 3D animation and piano playing.

>9. What do you do to relax?

Read! listen to loud music or occasionally watch favorite videos.

>10. What energizes or revitalizes you?

Learning a new concept, solving problems in an
especially elegant way, and reading prose written by
a very intelligent author.

>11. What are you most curious about?

What life was actually like in past time periods.

>12. What subject, skill, or interest do you feel you
>have
>the greatest mastery, ability or understanding of?

Talking about myself. (Kidding) Actually my ability to understand
any concept that I am presented with, and perhaps my ability to
express myself succinctly on technical subjects especially when
talking to a mixed audience.

>13. If you were on the game show Jeopardy, what
>categories
>would love to see?

Star Trek, Objectivism, Object Oriented Software Design, Logic,
Human Physiology, Physics, Math, Disneyland, Sci-Fi Movies,
TV Series by Gerry Anderson

>14. And the reverse, what categories would you fear?

Sports related, The Bible, World Religions, South America, Famous Poets,
Art History, Astrology, New Age Quakery, Accountancy

>15. What were your favorite classes?

Physics, Human Physiology, Math, Chemistry, Geometry,
Production/Operations Management, Philosophy

>16. Which required classes did you dread?

Physics Lab with Electronics Applications

>17. Which myths, legends, or popular stories resonate
>with you?

Greek Myths, Ayn Rand novels, Star Trek time travel stories

>18. Have you ever had a brush with death?

Yes, a few near misses in automobiles.

>19. What would you do if you won $1,000,000?

I would move to LA area and train in 3D animation,
pay bills and put away for children's college fund.

>20. Or $100,000,000?

Commission certain interactive CD-ROMs, make grants
to Film Preservation, worldwide disease innoculations, ACLU and
Gay rights groups. Found a production company.

>21. If you could live anywhere, where would you call
>home?

Southern California.

>Here are some excellent questions from my favorite Zen
>teacher, Cheri Huber. She advises to answer these
>quickly without "thinking".

Okay, without thinking:

>22. I'm happiest when... I'm thinking
>
>23. Someday I'm going to... be a great grandfather
>
>24. When I'm really down, what I want to do is... talk to my Mom.
>
>25. I feel anxious when... things I care about are being managed by incompetants.
>
>26. I'm afraid that... I won't live forever.
>
>27. I like people who... are passionate about what they do and who don't compromise
their integrity.
>
>28. All it takes to make me happy is... to let me do it my way.
>
>29. What I really want to do is... work in the entertainment industry.
>
>30. I wish that... I had fucked more women before getting married.
>
>31. I don't like people who... are dogmatic and who won't listen to reason.
>
>32. A person really should... do whatever makes them happy.
>
>33. I just hate it that... I have so little free time.
[> Subject: Re: Q & A


Author:
Ken
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: 10:09:23 09/03/02 Tue
>1. What are a few of the best films you've seen over
>the last
>couple of years?

The Usual Suspects, A Simple Plan, 12 Monkeys, Enemy of the State

>2. What are a few of the best books you've read over
>the last
>couple of years? (Same stipulations)

A Farewell to Arms, Hemingway; Player Piano, Vonnegut; The Inheritors, William Golding; A Republic, Not an Empire, Patrick Buchanan; On Writing, Stephen King

>3. What music is moving you these days? List some of
>your
>top artists and their discs.

Phish -- Junta, Rift
anything by Van Morrison or Neil Young

>4. If time or money was no problem, name 5
>destinations that
>you have never visited that you would like to travel
>to.

Ireland; Scotland; Washington, D.C.; Germany; Russia

>5. What do you like best about yourself?

My sense of humor

>6. What do you like least about yourself?

My temper

>7. At what age did you feel you were truly an adult?

I often felt I was an adult when I was sixteen. I often feel like a child today.

>8. If you could be granted any 3 skills right now that
>you
>don't already possess, what would they be?

Play guitar, read music, self-levitation

>9. What do you do to relax?

Read

>10. What energizes or revitalizes you?

A new project

>11. What are you most curious about?

What makes people tick

>12. What subject, skill, or interest do you feel you
>have
>the greatest mastery, ability or understanding of?

I guess writing

>13. If you were on the game show Jeopardy, what
>categories
>would love to see?

Political Potpourri, 70's Rock and Roll, Sherlock Holmes, English Grammar, Wireless Technology

>14. And the reverse, what categories would you fear?

Sports, Popular Music, Soap Operas, Movies with Charlie Sheen

>15. What were your favorite classes?

Accounting, Art Appreciation, Psychology, Systems Analysis, Drafting, English, Economics, Philosophy

>16. Which required classes did you dread?

None that I can remember

>17. Which myths, legends, or popular stories resonate
>with you?

The legend of Sisyphus

>18. Have you ever had a brush with death?

I've had a gun pointed at me a couple times, and many near hits in traffic that would have been fatal

>19. What would you do if you won $1,000,000?

Dance like a drunken sorority girl. Then I would pay off my debts, quit work, and start writing full time

>20. Or $100,000,000?

Same as above, but with better clothes. I would probably squander the rest a failed radio station that was programed by humans instead of computers.

>21. If you could live anywhere, where would you call
>home?

Right now I would say anywhere but Phoenix. The Pacific Northwest calls to me.

>22. I'm happiest when... I am writing

>23. Someday I'm going to... write for a living

>24. When I'm really down, what I want to do is... take a hot bath

>25. I feel anxious when... there are foreign objects in my underwear

>26. I'm afraid that... our time is up. kidding. I'm afraid that I will be a miserable failure

>27. I like people who... are kind

>28. All it takes to make me happy is... beer -- and good conversation

>29. What I really want to do is... quit my job and write full-time

>30. I wish that... I were twenty-five feet tall

>31. I don't like people who... are cruel to animals or anything/anyone else

>32. A person really should... drink lots of water

>33. I just hate it that... this is the last question
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