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Date Posted: 15:18:17 10/19/02 Sat
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In reply to:
The Divine Shadow
's message, "Re: New poll (Nebula v Nebulon)" on 02:07:58 10/18/02 Fri
>>The manouverability is impressive I agree, and against
>>STL computers or humans reflexes it would be a major
>>advantage. But we know that in Trek systems, the
>>tactical officer normally nominates the target and the
>>computer calculates everything else.
>
>We have never seen or heard that Star Wars computers
>are STL, the Communications core for a
>Coruscanttransmision relay (seen in one of the X-wings
>books) has computaional powers and speed that is, in
>all likly hood, far superior the computers on
>Andromeda and atleast as good as the computers on an
>early Picard era Federation science vessel.
>
That might be true, but what about a TIE fighter? From what we saw in the movies, the targeting system is pretty simple, and is roughly human reflex speed.
>>> A TL shot with a minimum yield of 200 gt would
>de-shield
>>>and sublimate a shuttle, perigrin, or runnabout in 1
>>>shot aswell.
>
>Here is a quate from a more canon source (the book
>"Slave Ship")
>"the laser cannons being mounted into the open
>skeletal frames required bracing and
>recoil-dissipation casings that would have withstood
>explosions measured in the giga-tonnage range.
>Anything less, and a single shot fired in battle would
>rip a destroyer or battle cruiser in two, a victim of
>its own lethal strength".
I've seen that quote before, but I do have some problems with it. Firstly we saw in TESB, that the structural strength of an ISD was low enough that a relatively low speed impact with an asteroid was enough to decapitate it, and maybe even destroy it outright. That impact could not have been above megaton range, and was probably only kiloton range. Similarly, in RotJ, the A-wing directly penetrated the bridge window of the SSD with little trouble, implying a relatively low resistance to kinetic impacts at least. In the RotJ novel, we hear that a rebel fighter striking an ISD took out it's front batteries. If they could withstand a gigaton explosion, the impacting fighter should have caused little problems. In a related example, we saw in ANH, that a low speed impact between two TIE fighters was enough to cause major damage to both. I know that is to do with fighters and not capital ships, but it shows the strength of materials extends to other areas of Imperial building.
Secondly, the times we have seen (or read) weapon fire impact, the levels do not seem to be anywhere near 200GT. Impacts are seem in RotJ and in various books. At times, people can stand very close to impact points without harm. That would not be possible if the weapons really fired 200GT of energy. A 200GT explosion would be thousands of times larger than the largest nuclear explosion ever seen on Earth. That in itself isn't a problem (why shouldn't they be more powerful?), but it does give us a good indication of the kind of damage we should be seeing from these impacts. We simply don't see it though. In DarkSabre, an SSD opens fire with "all turbolasers, full strength" at Yavins moon. We 'see' at least four full salvos. If each bolt had 200GT, everyone would have been killed, and the moon might have been uninhabitable afterwards. However, the only effects we see are burning trees. Now don't get me wrong, Darksabre is probably a low end estimate of turbolaser firepower (depsite the "full strength comment"), but most on the hits we see are far closer to that, than to ICS.
>>So now the 'minimum' firepower of a turbolaser is
>>200GT? This is what I was saying in the post on
>>Spacebattles recently, when I complained that a single
>>quote from a single book was being placed above all
>>the films and other books. You do realise that level
>>of firepower is never shown anywhere in the films. All
>>the evidence from the books and films points to MUCH
>>lower yield numbers. 200GT is only stated once in one
>>book, and even there (ICS) it is very vague as to
>>whether it relates to one weapon or the entire
>>broadside.
>
>given that the other weapons yeilds in the book
>refered to individual weapons, I would assume that it
>is the same with the Aclimator.
>
>>As for the whole 'subliminating' argument, I think you
>>are wrong. We have seen at least a couple of examples
>>where phasers have punched through a target and
>>continued. The first would be TNG:Q Who against the
>>Borg cube and the second in TNG:All good things
>>against a Negh'Var.
>
>But, for the most part this doesn't happen?
No, there have been examples of it, but generally phasers seem to work differently. Maybe phasers have different settings. In Q-Who the first few shots did not do that, but then Worf uped the power and they fired straight through.
>
>>However, phasers generally do not work in the same way
>>as turbolasers. Generally we have seen that phasers
>>transmit their energy into the targets structure, and
>>then spread out through it, but do not continue on
>>into nearby structures. We see a very good example of
>>that in TNG:Ensigns of Command, where Data vaporises
>>all the water in an aquaduct, without damaging the
>>aquaduct itself. Therefore, a phaser would not
>>necessarily blow out the other side, since all the
>>energy would be sent into the target. This actually
>>makes it much more efficient than a turbolaser.
>
>this is not always a good thing. The reason for the
>power of Star Wars weapons and the manner in which
>they deal damage is that Imperail Armor posses great
>density, very high specific heat, and high energy
>reflectivity. The more the energy is focussed and
>lower the area of effect, the more chance that the
>shot will do decent damage.
>
Agreed.
>>>FTL is possible, but not advisable. The targetting
>>>problems would be huge, like trying to shoot a
>quarter
>>>with a .50 calibre machine gun from a Blackbird at
>>>mach 3. And the probibility of hitting one or more
>of
>>>the TIE Defenders would stop any other than Tom Paris
>>>or Han Solo from attempting to do it, as even
>glancing
>>>impact rip both to sub-atomic particles.
>>
>>Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that they
>>could fight at warp inside the nebula, just that warp
>>speed is possible. It would be useful for escaping a
>>poor position, or avoiding missiles etc.
>
>And then they would take a great deal of time to
>reposition.
Agreed, but it might stop you being destroyed. That is an advantage! :)
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