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Subject: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Ace [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Sat, Jun 14 2008, 02:29:06pm Kandep polls a total failure, court is told By JAMES APA GUMUNO THE election manager for Enga province, Henry Kyakas told the Mt Hagen National Court yesterday he had concluded in 2007 that the general elections the Kandep elctorate, Enga province, was a failure. Mr Kyakas told the court he had recommended to the Electoral Commission that the writ for Kandep Open be withdrawn and the election be declared a failure because half the votes were being disputed by candidates. He said although he did not visit Kandep to assess the situation , he based his recommendation on petitions he received from candidates. Mr Kyakas said Electoral Commissioner Andrew Trawen noted his recommendation and sent a team to Wabag which also inlcuded a lawyer and senior officer Boki Raga. He said this team reported back to Mr Trawen that counting should go ahead. When counting started, votes were counted at a faster rate than the other electorates, Mr Kyakas said. He said Kandep district returning officer Naipat Keae declaredDon Polye the winner without having to go throught the elimination process. The court case is between petitioner Alfred Manase and Works, Transport and Civil Aviation Minister and Kandep MP Don Polye. Mr Manase is seeking to nullify Mr Polye’s election. Mr Polye won with a landslide margin and is serving his second term in Parliament. Mr Manase is alleging that there was widespread illegal acts by Mr Polye’s supporters and election officials. The trial is entering its seventh week. Mr Kyakas said votes in eight ballot boxes were not counted when the winner was declared. He said Mr Keae had claimed that these were hijacked boxes which contained tainted votes. The trial continues today. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Manase Hijacked Ballot Boxes, witness Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jun 26 2008, 02:37:52pm Kandep polls were smooth, says witness By JAMES APA GUMUNO A WITNESS yesterday told the National Court in Mt Hagen that elections in Kandep went smoothly but votes in eight ballot boxes were not counted because those boxes were hijacked by candidates Alfred Manase and Kenneth Andrew and were considered tainted. Witness Joel Sandal is the first defence witness called in for the election petition filed by Mr Manase, challenging the election of Minister for Works, Transport and Civil Aviation Don Polye. Mr Sandal is from Gine village in the Marian local level government area. His evidence contrasted with that of the witnesses who were called in during the past five weeks by petitioner Mr Manase. He said proceedings went on smoothly from the pre-count in Wabag on July 2 to the end of polling on July 5. He said the ballot boxes were transported on Electoral Commission’s hire vehicles under heavy security escort to each polling areas. Mr Sandal denied that there was a protest and a candidate was assaulted by the security forces at Kandep station on the morning of July 3 when questioned by lawyer Paul Mawa for petitioner Mr Manase. He told the court that he was present at the Kandep station around 7am and left for Gine around 2pm but did not see any thing. Mr Mawa asked the witness during cross- examination why he recorded inner tag numbers of some ballot boxes but failed to record the outer tag numbers on July 5 at Kandep station when the security forces loaded the ballot boxes into the vehicles to take them to Wabag after the polling. The witness replied that the security forces moved the boxes out fast and he had no time to record the outer tag numbers. Mr Mawa asked him why the ballot boxes were not counted on July 6 after they were transported and locked up at Wabag police station. Mr Sandal replied that he did not know why the counting was delayed. When Mr Mawa put to the witness that counting was delayed because of too many complaints made by candidates regarding the polling, the witness said he did not know the reason. He said votes in 62 ballot boxes were counted from July 11 to 14 at the Wabag counting centre, with Mr Polye declared winner. The trial continues today. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Manase Hijacked Ballot Boxes, witness Author: Chicko [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2008, 04:34:40pm How can Noel Sandal (cousin brother of Don Polye) be at all polling boots at any one time???? He must be a god (a clone of evil incarnate Don Polye himself). You can't generalise in the court of law...this is what they call in legal terms "hear-say" which will not materialise. Poor thing!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: 2nd Witness confirms Manase Hijacked Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2008, 11:35:45pm Witness: Ballot boxes hijacked By JAMES APA GUMUNO A WITNESS yesterday told the court that voters in his village in Kandep, Enga province, did not vote because the ballot papers and boxes were hijacked. Witness Palo Pasum alleged that lawyer Alfred Manase, who is the petitioner challenging the win of MP Don Polye, and his supporters were involved in the hijack of the ballot boxes for Wert 1 and Wert 2. Pasum, who is the ward councillor for Wert 1 and Wert 2 in the Marian constituency in Kandep, said polling scheduled for July 3 last year at Wert 1 and Wert 2 did not take place. He said they waited that day at the Wert 2 ceremonial ground but the ballot boxes and papers did not turn up. He said that evening, he was told the boxes had been hijacked. He claimed the hijack took place at Tanjpak village, where Mr Manase comes from. He claimed that there was also no polling at Mumut 1 and Mumut 2. Pasum said the next day, councillor Steven Gig and himself led 200 people, all painted in mud, to the Kandep council chamber to protest that they did not vote. He said they asked for new ballot papers to vote, but were denied. Pasum, the second defence witness to testify, will be cross examined when the trial resumes today. Manase is petitioning the court to declare the election of Works, Transport and Civil Aviation Minister Polye null and void due to alleged illegal acts, errors and omissions during the elections. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: 2nd Witness confirms Manase Hijacked Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Fri, Jun 27 2008, 11:55:21pm Chicko, Noel has opened the floodgate and rest will close in on the REAL CULPRIT -Manase. This was further confirmed by the second defence witness yesterday in court box as reported in the News Paper today. Whereas Chicko reckons it is hear and say, this will be tested in the course of the election petition court case. We remain to see the truth being revealed. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: 2nd Witness confirms Manase Hijacked Author: Ace [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jun 28 2008, 07:16:44am One side bribery!!! The truth never happened that way as I have seen but I reckon NA was still holding onto powers that time that even the Defence Commander was still part of the team as every individual Kandep citizen have seen. But I beliefe the truth will come into reality when Polye will be hanging with his lakaps upside down. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Jun 29 2008, 02:20:41pm Ace, If you are not from Kandep I must proudly tell you that bribery do not exist and has no place in Kandep. People freely and willingly choose leaders with their own resources just like American People do. It is only your suspicious assumption and not the truth. And please retract your own remarks for it is a insult to the people of Kandep when I know it did not happen. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: 2nd witness confirms Manase hijacked. Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sun, Jun 29 2008, 11:02:24pm Chicko and Ace, Firstly, you can not deny that Alfred Manase with his supporters did hijack 7 ballot boxes at his Tinzipaka Village. It happened in broad day light in front of many people and helpless election officials. They were unable to defend themselves and had to surrender to gun welding tribesman of Alfred, with himself being the chief in commander. Secondly, Don Polye did not get involved in any illegal acts like what Alfred did. Alfred created history in the whole of Kandep by doing what he did. This send great sock waves across Kandep District. Thirdly, none of the 70 witnesses of Alfred Manase implicated Don personally at any one stage and he remains innocent all along. How then can you blame him for other peoples doing? Fourthly, certain individuals reacted to what was instigated by other candidates which are subject of contentions now. Finally this election petition is a twist of the truth and I wonder if lies will stand tall? I reiterate here that Don is truly mandated by the people and Alfred should leave him alone to carry out his tasks. Remember you are denying the rights of the people of Kandep from being represented. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Ace [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 01 2008, 03:32:18pm Kandep Wane, Excuse me, don't put me and Chicko together. I am different and these are my opnions. The public is watching!!! But since I went to this ongoing court hearings, Polye's Lawyer did not come up with some real hard core evidence. But if Manase can play a video screen in the court house to prove what Polye did in Kandep, I think Polye's lakaps will be hanging in the air very soon. And I belive the master minder will make this happen tomorrow. Mark my words bro. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Ace [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 02 2008, 07:06:41am Kandep Wane, You don't understand here mate. What I mentioned is: If Manase can play all these screen captures to prove that Polye is a hard core criminal, then compare the weight of Polye's lawer reading off from a piece of paper that Manase hijacked all the papers. Then how comes Polye won with a big margin? You are simply setting traps on your journey. That's when the master minder will hang Polye's lakaps in the air. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 01 2008, 07:18:26pm Ace, Do you expect a criminal who went about hijacking ballot boxes to be trusted by the good judge? In a normal context I think not. His credibility is in a big time question and he is in a very deep shit. If I were a judge I would be very reluctant to be persuaded by someone who is a trouble maker himself, unless he is innocent. Witnesses are now starting to confirm Alfred is a hijacker! And that has been my arguement in this forum over and over again. See who tells the truth. Remember you can not reap what you have not sown. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Ace (Setting Own Traps) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 02 2008, 07:22:09am Kandep Wane, If Manase can play all the screen captures to prove that Polye is a hard core criminal, then compare the weight of Polye's lawer reading off from a piece of paper that Manase hijacked all the papers. Then how comes Polye won with a big margin? You are simply setting traps in your own path. Then the master minder will hang Polye's lakaps in the air. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Komai (Wake Wane) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 10 2008, 08:11:07am Hi Kandepian Wane, Sorry if I'm interupting...can you still remember, I told you some time ago...you're just kidding by trying to polish up Don's ass...I told you that the strings will go tighter and tighter around Don's lakaps and sooner you will hear him screaming like a little pragnant girl delivering her first baby. Cheers, [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 10 2008, 09:23:32am hi, ace,komai and kandapen wane, soldemnly, may i say that your discussions do not help in any aspects. see what things can be discussed and/or be done to improve the general welfare of the average kandepians and engans.looking out of the screen is vital now. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: OK Let's stop here. (Ace) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 10 2008, 11:00:09am After all we are Kandepians right? Larsen, excuse me but we have no time to talk outside this screen. Manase first had his turn saying that Polye hijacked the ballot boxes. And then Polye's witnesses are now saying the same thing to Manase. Vise Versa. So where does the fault lies?? If both parties come to blame each other, what will the court rule as??? Mr. Polye!! You should take laws at the first place, not civil. See you guys during the By Elction!!!!! (Anyway, that is what I want to achieve..ehehehe). [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 02:57:26pm Ha!everyone, In your wildest dream, do not think of a BY Election as I know there won't be one! You can talk as much as you like, say as much as you think and go to court as many times as you can, but in the end of all, you are simply trying in vain. Wake wane, I maintain Polye is not personally implicated in any way and as such he remains innocent, whereas Alfred is seriously implicated and mentioned hundred times that he did personally get involve in the hijacking of boxes. What message does this portray to the civil society of a lawyer's conduct, the very one who suppose to uphold the law? Tell me if any good thinking judge will believe in this kind of person. The Electoral Commission Officials and Security Personnel who were hijacked together with the ballot boxes will hammer the nail on the head. Verdict will be handed down then. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Chicko [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 15 2008, 06:13:43pm kandepian wane.... you always seems barely distinguishable from con-artist king polye - an essentially pathetic "mimic man"....you two obviously have the same type of gene - a mutation that echoes idiosyncrazy to forumers!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 01:46:31pm Chicko...regardless of where you belong to, I support any person who can provide good stong contemporary leadership and not because of what you echo. Don Polye happens to be that one now amongst the rest and that is obvious for everyone to see. I think you simply do not want to accept and admit the truth of Don's leadership and speak in defiance all the time for your own reasons. Bro, you can wait until your turn comes to rule the way you think is best. For now leave it all to the MP for Kandep Open to run the show. However, you are welcome to give your advises.. Chicko, I must be touching your nerves by the truth. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Chicko [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 02:21:40pm I refuse to come down to your level.... [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kanepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 16 2008, 10:40:33pm Chicko...the way to go up is to come down. Unless you humble your self to be honest, you will get nowhere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Chicko [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 06:38:21am Not to your level buddy!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Hwaters [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 17 2008, 10:22:38am Hi fellows, Lets not conduct a trial here...let the courts decide, fingers crossed, lets wait and see who is the real culprit according to the laws of the land. Blessings [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jul 19 2008, 02:33:22pm Hwaters, I agree with you but I also feel obliged to inform this forum of the truths you need to know than being misled by people with conflict of interests. This is so that you may have better understanding of what actually transpired on the ground in Kandep than opinions of people. I stand ready to defend any truths and by the same token condemn any wrongs including that of a leader. It is very important that we know the two sides of the problem than being easily misled by biasness and overtaken by emotions. On that note, it is also interesting to run a trial outside parallel to one that is in court. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jul 19 2008, 05:43:09pm kandepian wane, deem the country has formal judicial institutions which would fully take care of this issue but sadly see little rationale in your last sentence: "On that note, it is also interesting to run a trial outside parallel to one that is in court." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jul 19 2008, 07:09:34pm Larsen, I fully respect the Formal Court set up in this country to guide citizens and punish those perpetrators of law. But there are certain types of Court Case like the Election Petition Law that allows only the winning candidate to be tried by any losing candidates even if the petitioners had committed some sort of serious offenses themselve. In which case I see it being unfair to the defendant. Even though I am not a lawyer there is loophole in this law. First the petitioner should be aquitted of any wrong doing before allowing him or her to challenge the winner with credibility. Otherwise it is unfair like it is with the current Kandep Open Petitioner. I have expressed my self in such a situation where the petitioners go free of mistake and only targets the winner. And not a double trial, in fact we will accept the outcome of the formal court. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: larsen [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sat, Jul 19 2008, 08:18:08pm democratically, the independent state of papua new guinea needs appropriate changes to add value to the political, economical and social structures of its organic fibres to improve the wellbeing of itself as a sovereign state, the wellfare of its citizens, and its good conduct of the other sovereign nations and their citizens. you views that changes need to be adopted is true but only appropriate changes and thus, the appropriateness or suitability of such changes are determined by established institutions formally recognized. your views should be provided to these institutions. in regard to this matter, your views are, frankly, not essential. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: goodpela [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Wed, Jul 23 2008, 02:41:47am thanks [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Thu, Jul 24 2008, 08:42:33am Larsen, I only provided my thoughts and opinions from what is happening and you are right. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Kandepian Wane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2008, 11:48:15pm Ace, It is unfortunate you did not cast your vote as you'd like to which I condemn. By the same token I disagree Don was the one who denied you of your choice. I particularly can not tolerate the impression many of you try to create that Polye would not have won by any big margin. That is absolutely false and misleading. Polye was no doubt going to win which he did as expected but now open to question due to the unprecedented votes he recieved. That is unfortunate for Don and an opportunity to grind him by his opponents. For your infor..I started the process and concluded it by way of a declaration for Kandep Open Seat and I was in the thick of all these. That is how I know what really happened which I will always defend. My conscience remains very clear in terms of this election result even as it is going though the court case. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Kandep Bye Election just around the corner!!! Author: Ace (Yes, democrately...) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Tue, Jul 29 2008, 11:22:39am Yes, democrately … And I am not too sure if Kandep Wane was physically in Kandep during the election or not but I was. . I was at Kandep during the election but I did not vote!!, ballot boxes were taken back to Wabag, counting proceeded, surprisingly my rest house’s ballot papers were counted too and Polye won with the biggest record ever in the country. . . . . and for this reason, I always want the truth to be revealed. So can we call this Democracy??? Honesty?? True Leadership??? (This fact will never be revealed by such Polye’s civilized brief case carriers like Kandep Wane). I also mentioned earlier that Manase played all these screen captures during the court hearing at Hagen and I could prove it was true because that is what Polye’s NA anointed polling officers, constables and soldiers did. Kandep Wane, please do not feel fortunate to take advantage of your Evil God Polye’s status to convince the public. After all he did nothing. I already told you that Polye’s Lakaps will be hanging in the air very shortly. I will then vote for the true leader. Mark my words and keep your hears open, I will reveal you the truth very shortly. Ace [ Post a Reply to This Message ]