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Date Posted: 15:52:34 11/04/02 Mon
Author: KatLurkin
Author Host/IP: pcp02303222pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net / 68.52.163.61
Subject: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Kaylorin, 14:42:12 11/05/02 Tue (pcp632159pcs.newhvn01.in.comcast.net/68.53.200.184)

Well, I really don't know where to start on this one. MAybe it's just me, but I thought it was amazing. Very well done. You BAers have some great writers defending your ship, lemme tell ya.

I enjoyed the characters in this piece. Some AUs seem to put the characters in positions that seem a little too AU, and they loose the small things that we love about them. This was not the case. I loves Willow an dXander, small as their parts were. Threw in a littel Fred and Wes for good measure, completing a little Jossverse circle that connected well.

I think the relationships that formed between humans and vampires was well mapped out, and played on. The City was a well designed background for the basic flow of the story, although the other cities mentioned could have had more play in my opinion.

I did find it interesting that Hotlz was a good guy, that was amusing, but when the character is built up it's beleavable. AS I said, I at least understood that the underlining character was there, just put in a different scenario.

Th eonly elements I had trouble with was the ending. Which unfortunately is a big part of the story. I found the climax lacking. Again, just an opinion.

There was enough entertainment in this to make me finish it in one day. (I read much faster than I type)

I'mnot going to be extra picky simply because the story had me thinking, wondering , and asking questions. O like that Xan and Angel got along. XAnder's crush on Anya was cute. I like most stories that have the council, specially Travers, getting kicke don their ass. Cuz it needs to be done.

I'm giving it a well rounded, happy to have read it, all BAers should; 95


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- JSlayerUK, 15:24:47 11/05/02 Tue (cache-loh-af06.proxy.aol.com/195.93.50.12)

I'm going to have to second Kaylorin's thoughts on this fic. I loved it. Loved it to pieces. I'm not usually all too fond of AU stories, as it takes ages to get into and understand... but this one just enthralled me.

The only difference is that I personally liked the ending. Yes, maybe it was a little sappy, but I like the sap.

I'm joining Kay's grade too, as it's well deserved. 95.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- SaraKat, 17:42:10 11/06/02 Wed (lsanca1-ar4-254-042.biz.dsl.gtei.net/4.33.254.42)

Well, I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I didn't like this fic at all. I couldn't get into...in fact I had to force myself to read it all the way through. While I won't argue that the writer is talented and does have a gift for making the characters real, I did not find myself enjoying this story. And not because it's AU...I generally like AU stories and getting a chance to see these characters differently. But for some reason, I could not get into the story. Because of this, I'm tempted to give it a lower score...but as the writing is good and there are no mistakes that I could see, I give it a 70.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- ancientpeas, 18:07:15 11/06/02 Wed (CPE014370023562.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com/24.102.13.132)

I liked it quite a bit.. a little too AU for me.. but still, by far my favourite story so far. I found her writing style to be easy to read and I found all the characters that appeared in the story but slightly altered to be interesting.. I'll give it an 80.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Chani, 08:15:46 11/07/02 Thu (curie.noos.net/212.198.0.93)

This story is well written, there are many interesting ideas and the author managed to give the characters some constistancy.
However i am sorry but i am not really into that fic. The author has been very creative and talented here but it was too AU for me. I've lost my points of reference, and it was very disturbing. I had to force myself to read it because i haven't found the emotions i usually had with the BTVS characters in the Jossverse. I've tried to enjoy it but i couldn't.


I give it a 70


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Jade, 18:10:58 11/07/02 Thu (inktomi3-nth.server.ntl.com/62.253.32.6)

What can I say?

What an amazing story. It enthralled me from the beginning.
The plot was brilliant and well thought out. How do people come up with this stuff? I loved the relationship between Buffy and Angel, and also between Giles and Buffy, that he turned out to be her dad. It made me really feel for Buffy, being a Slayer at this time.
The end was so sad, I admit to crying, when I thought Buffy was dead. I got to the end of that chapter, thinking she was dead, when my computer crashed, so I was left in suspence for ages!
This is the first story I have read that I can compare to Phoenix Burning, and as I have no life, I have read hundreds of fan fictions :-)
I really can't critise it much, the first chapter took me a few minutes to get in to, then I was away, I couldn't leave it. I would have liked to see a bit of interaction between Buffy and her 'sisters.' But I loved it anyway.


I give this story full marks, 100/100.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- ScarletNicky, 19:49:56 11/07/02 Thu (cache-rk06.proxy.aol.com/152.163.189.70)

This one's really hard for me to rate because I thought it was a really good story, but that it was barely a BtVS/Ats fanfic at all. It sorta reminded me of the X-Men story arc where they went to Genosha, a country where mutants were enslaved and used as slave labor.

There were characters that had the names of Jossverse characters, but most of them didn't seem like the same people and their histories and motivations had changed so radically that it was disorienting. I love AU stories, but in this one I had a hard time finding a reference point.

I hesitate to give it too low a score because I think it's really well written with compelling characters (which seemed like original characters to me, with the exception of Angel). I would encourage the author to flesh it out a bit, change the names, and try to publish it as an original novel.

One other thing I thought was interesting: I found Angel to be an amalgam of Angel & Spike. In other words, he had Angel's personality, but Spike's circumstance (being considered "beneath Buffy"). Since I love both of those characters, I really could relate to him.

80


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Dawny, 02:02:00 11/09/02 Sat (216-229-82-50-dialup-mo.fidnet.com/216.229.82.50)

Loved it...kept me enthralled, interested, and anxious.

Loved it.

100


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[> General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- morgain, 16:37:07 11/09/02 Sat (modemcable106.54-130-66.mtl.mc.videotron.ca/66.130.54.106)

I am experiencing a thorny dilemma here.... I liked this fic a lot, but is it really BtVS?

I found the original premise quite intriguing. Vampirism is the result of a demon-inspired plague, which can have as an unexpected result: vampires with souls. I also liked the idea of the exploitation of the DHSTs, since it explores an interesting theme we have seen in BtVS, i.e. the existence of prejudice of humans for demons who have the potential for good. The action built nicely, with a good balance between focusing on the ship and focusing on the plot development. There were also nice parallels, with interesting twists: Caritas, but with Wes as the host; Giles and Joyce as a couple, being the parents of Buffy and Dawn; Tara and Willow, but Willow as a vamp; and my favorite, the pairing of Justine the Vampire slayer and Doyle. I would have like the history of relationships between humans and vamps [the vamp and his lover at the hospital] to be explored a bit more. The love scenes between Angel and Buffy were well done, though I do find biting / drinking blood as part of lovemaking a bit icky.

But there were a few inconsistencies in terms of plot. The most glaring of which, for me, was the presence of Daniel Holtz. He is a figure out of time and place, the result of a spell by Sahjhan, brought forward to wreck revenge. Why he was a contemporary of Buffy was never explained, and bugged me every time he appeared. I also didn’t “get” the ending at the Hellmouth... I read it twice and still seem to be missing something. The gathering of the vamps and the rising power confused me.

I would have liked a bit more backstory. Who is this Varkesh guy, anyway? And what does he want? What was life in the Wastelands like? And the appearance of Dawn and Connor in the epilogue... Some of these elements seemed thrown in just for effect.

But, in general, the story was original, portrayed the ship in a light that was based on the original [the soulmate take] and in a way that makes the pairing understandable to others, and did it in an interesting way. At the risk of being stoned... I found this Angel sexier.

*now ducking and running to the bunker*

But back to my original point... Is this BtVS fanFic?

For the first third of the fic, I have to say that, except for Giles and Forrest, the characters may have had the same names, but I hardly recognized them. Angel was less broody [a good thing for me] but so obsequious. Now, maybe the situation demanded it [being a DHST], but I would have expected some well-read intellectual snark. Buffy seemed to be the Slayer of The Wish, but suddenly morphed into a Barbie-dreamhouse-wannabe. There were also many characters I wanted to hear more about: Fred, Willow [especially!], Tara, and Wes. And what happened to Xander? He was introduced as a solid supporting character, and then disappeared. I must say that I did not see kernels of the personalities of the characters I know on TV.

Overall, the story was well-written with minimal mistakes and repetitious use of words, and a good plot.

I rate it an 85.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Doe, 17:13:06 11/09/02 Sat (proxys.sj3.marketscore.com/216.148.246.70)

I loved the world the author created. Indie took an interesting premise and managed to keep me involved in the story. My score 98


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- TC, 23:33:54 11/09/02 Sat (dialup-64.152.233.120.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net/64.152.233.120)

Whoa, where to start.

Okay, when I first started reading this story it took me a little while to get into it, mainly because it was so AU. I was literally pushing myself through the first chapter but I decided to keep going.

I'm glad I did.

The more I read the more interested I became. This fic really surprised me. I hardly ever go for anything that I can't see happening on the show(especially in BtvS fics) in some manner or another. This however, really caught my interest. The history that the author built behind this city and the way things were was very well done. For some reason I pictured the setting in a olden time setting(say around the late 18th century. Maybe it was the way I was seeing the souled vampires as slaves and the way it was back in that time. I don't know. *shrug*

Anyway, I usually don't like fics that act as if vampires are not creatures of the night and mostly evil, but this fic was okay. I felt like it was told on a different scale than that of the Buffyverse. It was about a culture(these souled vamps) being used as slaves and degraded. There was a very good message behind the fic if you are into that and it did strike a cord in me in some parts. I didn't particular see most of the characters as those that we are familiar with except for Buffy and Angel, maybe Giles. Even their characterization had a lot of parts that I didn't really see the same characters we know but like I said, this setting and for me, the story on the whole wasn't Buffyverse much except for the fact that it dealt with vampires, slayers, and the council. Still, the story struck a cord in me and surprisingly enough, so did the Buffy/Angel stuff. The writer really has a nack for writing very sensual and erotic scenes, yet not making it the sort of erotic stuff that I see far too often from a lot of people. Simply said, their scenes(especially the scene before they entered the Caritas) actually made me think about having to turn on the AC in November :)

Also, I really liked the fact that Holtz wasn't as hard as we thought him to be. We first thought he was this underlying Council member that hated all demons yet by the end we could see that he truly cared for Buffy in a fatherly way. Hell, if I were to venture I'd say more so that Giles in the fic. Don't get me wrong I do like the fact that Giles was her father in this one it's just I wished the author had written some of the passion for Giles that he had with Holtz towards Buffy at the end. However, it still all flowed pretty well and it kept my interest. I was sort of wishy, washy by the ending but still a job well done.

Overall I give this fic a 91


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Leatrix, 03:34:19 11/10/02 Sun (netcache2-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz/203.97.2.243)

I haven't quite finished reading the story, but let me say, I'm with Kaylorin and JSlayerUK on this one.

Well written with believeable characters. As with most AU stories, there is a bit of stretching of characters to fit with the story, but that aside, its well crafted and takes you into the action.

Definitely my favourite read so far this session - 95


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Muttley, 20:16:16 11/10/02 Sun (inktomi1-swa.server.ntl.com/213.105.224.4)

This was the first story i have read with a real sense of enjoyment and anticipation to know what happens next....the other stories so far have possibly been read more out of duty than out of enjoyment.

I thought the story was well crafted although the ending was somewhat anti-climactic with a few bits seemingly tacked on so that a sequel could be written.

I agree with Morgain that the story could have been equally enjoyable without being tagged as a BtVS work of fiction - sometimes the link seemed tenuous. Having said that, still the best story i've read so far so i'm going with 93.


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[> Re: General Review & Discussion: Domestication by Indie. -- Girl Guide jones, 22:03:02 11/11/02 Mon (dhcp024-210-034-173.columbus.rr.com/24.210.34.173)

I think this story was very well-crafted, both technically and with storytelling skills in mind. Oddly, I think I might have enjoyed it more if it were not a BtVS fanfic. In saying that, I mean that it was so far removed from what I know as the Buffyverse, that I couldn't get a mental or emotional connection going.

The environment was wholly different, and the characters were not the Buffy and Angel I know. With those things in mind, I struggled to find an intellectual thread, or an emotional interest in finding out what happened next. Had I never watched the show and picked this story up blind, I think I'd have been fascinated. As it was, I felt a bit disjointed because I never developed a mental or emotional "vested interest" in what happened. I could have stopped reading at any time and not felt a loss.

Still, it was extremely well-written overall, so I'll give it an 85.

~GGj


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