The point about the laboured build-up play is a really good one. I've never seen an english player who wants to play one touch, give-and-go stuff, running behind the defense onto through balls. Interestingly, we are at or near the bottom of the league in both through balls and offsides (an indicator of balls played in behind). He's looked best playing next to his arsenal boys (Iwobi and Nelson). No one else seems to play to his strengths. Work rate and stamina are other issues more on him though -- SW6.doc

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Date Posted: Tuesday, May 13, 09:55:28pm
Author: eganonoa
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Subject: The point about the laboured build-up play is a really good one. I've never seen an english player who wants to play one touch, give-and-go stuff, running behind the defense onto through balls. Interestingly, we are at or near the bottom of the league in both through balls and offsides (an indicator of balls played in behind). He's looked best playing next to his arsenal boys (Iwobi and Nelson). No one else seems to play to his strengths. Work rate and stamina are other issues more on him though
In reply to: b+w g. 's message, "Same here. He has the attributes you describe in sentences 2-4. They aren't trivial. But more needed to make them really tell. That's partly down to him and partly to team context. He'll show up better if and when (as needs to happen not just for ESR's sake) the build-up play around him is less laboured." on Tuesday, May 13, 09:31:45pm

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Chimes also with the thoughts you agreed with from (shout out to him when deserved...) Alboy and Old Dave yesterday evening. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, May 13, 10:07:30pm (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
- Very much so (and nice to have a proper discussion with Alboy!). There's tons of data supporting that thread, including that we're the team that is least dispossessed of the ball and the least tackled in the league (by a long way for both). But we're also the team with the most crosses (by far) and, as above, the least offsides and 2nd least through balls. Basically, our opponents appear very happy to let us have the ball, stand off us, allow us to fiddle around and then throw endless crosses in (NT) -- eganonoa, Tuesday, May 13, 11:55:49pm (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
  - So....league position etc. implies middle of the roaders and nothing to see here, but actually we are at the extremes in this league on many measures. I'd not have guessed that, but it does start to explain a few things, including why (which I *would* have guessed) we have been sussed.. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, May 14, 07:54:53am (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)
    - Yes very much so on the extremes. Can add long balls (2nd most completed) and switches of the ball from one side to the other (4th most) into that mix also. What is reads to me is that we've decided on a tactical plan (possession, build up down the left, lots of passing from the back, crossing) and our opponents have decided that that's just fine and simply let us do it; hence the extremities. Hoisted by our own petard, which is actually massively damning on our coaching if you think about it (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, May 14, 09:48:06am (pool-108-18-149-21.washdc.fios.verizon.net/108.18.149.21)
      - Yep. Quite a thought for way down below in a post that began about Macintosh. (NT) -- b+w g., Wednesday, May 14, 10:21:10am (68.52.159.143.dyn.plus.net/143.159.52.68)

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