- What makes City’s sponsorship sham deals as opposed to great negotiations? -- Fulham Si, Monday, October 05, 04:54:09pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Is it the amount that’s in question, the link to the owners or both? If Tony wanted AEW to sponsor Fulham at twice the value of a normal sponsor then is that fraudulent? Granted it would be an obvious move to get round FFP but would it be fraud if the money genuinely came from AEW’s accounts? It’s obvious when you take all City’s actions as a collective it’s an attempt to circumvent the spirit of the rules but that is very different to fraud. I’m completely happy to see City suffer the full consequences of their actions but surely the Premier League can’t police what sponsor you choose and how much they pay (assuming the sponsor isn’t deemed offensive) I’m curious as I’m wondering if City could challenge this part of the charges on the basis of commercial freedom.
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- Yes,very true. However the money didn't come from the "sponsors", the amounts were topped up by the owners by £820,000,000 (NT) -- GTS, Monday, October 05, 05:01:32pm (24.206.97.75.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.97.75)
- Ok so now I get it! The money didn’t come from the sponsors accounts but rather from the owners accounts, thanks for that, we are back to “throw the bloody book at them” (NT) -- Fulham Si, Monday, October 05, 05:52:41pm (NoHost/148.252.145.69)
- Not been a problem for most of a decade with throphies handed out and all happy days. Powers that be are at fault just as much as City. (NT) -- Eerwah, Monday, October 05, 10:49:35pm (NoHost/179.65.161.218)
- Blind Freedy could see media coverage of incredible sponsorship deals while City sent others to relegations and smaller clubs regularly abused by virtually instant fines for speaking up on anything critical of the shameful process. (NT) -- Eerwah, Monday, October 05, 11:21:35pm (NoHost/179.65.161.218)
- "Fellow new boys"?? Fantastic reporting from Metro today! -- --, Monday, October 05, 02:59:51pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
"Muniz and Co will look to get their first victory on the board this weekend when they head to Portman Road to take on fellow new boys Ipswich."
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- Man City -- Old Firm, Monday, October 05, 01:21:59pm (mx-ll-223.204.223-156.dynamic.3bb.co.th/223.204.223.156)
Man City position is untenable . For them to continue this seasons fixtures makes a mockery out of the PL.There should be an immediate cessation of MC fixtures and the 5 wins they achieved should be deemed null and void. They should be expelled from the PL aand suspended from playing in all competitions until the procedure of appeal is complete.2 teams to be relegated from PL this season.MC owners to get a sine Die .
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- lets talk FIT AND PROPER -- muniz's mum, Monday, October 05, 01:16:06pm (NoHost/185.92.209.44)
our search for Young but good enough CF, sold u21 Staysfield and sold full cap Bowie,have now u21 Gonzalo, have u21 Kusi and Sani a non league CF whose banged in a few for the kids
the question is WHO is making these decisions to let go of the kids and bringing in their replacements, is this just checkers or is it chess?
are we just moving money around or do the kids actually have A plan or chance to be The Fulham FC 1st team CF
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muniz is the only kid brought in thats been retained AND signed to a proper 1st team contract..
but is he the best CF of those listed? who decides and do we have faith in this decision maker
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- David Stockdale. -- HemelRog, Monday, October 05, 09:55:29am (host81-129-185-189.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.185.189)
Apologies for yet another post.Lovely article on his role at at Farsley on FOF.Warms the cockles in this age of money grabbers ad grifters across football and the word in general.Always liked him top bloke.
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- Dons Tin Hat -- HemelRog, Monday, October 05, 08:45:06am (host81-129-185-189.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.185.189)
I know Croatia are a team in probable demise.I know It was only a friendly( it wasn’t).I know we still have problems at the back.I know Tuchel and Kane are bottlers.Mmmmm.But how exciting was that?Can’t believe we are not as good as anyone else going forward.Bellingham and Gordon sensational.Made me laugh when Everton fans were slagging Gordon off when he left.Sour grapes or what.Could it really be coming home?
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- Problem England have is there are no excellent or world class defenders across the board. Some decent to good ones but nowhere near enough to win a major competition. (NT) -- Not for me Clive, Monday, October 05, 08:55:04am (NoHost/131.117.190.58)
- Personally, as an attacking force I don’t think I’ve seen a better England team in my lifetime. Perhaps the only cloud on the distant horizon is how on earth will Kane be replaced. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, October 05, 10:48:42am (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- Irreplaceable as a player and bloke, the guy is unique, with fitness and versatility unlike any 9 I've ever seen. (NT) -- CB, Monday, October 05, 12:51:11pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- I seem to remember it took years for Kane to develop into the player he is now, loans at Norwich etc. Perhaps there is a young forward out there we don't know much about yet, either in a youth set up or on loan in the lower divisions. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Monday, October 05, 03:10:54pm (92.40.169.35.threembb.co.uk/92.40.169.35)
- No me Sir -- Eerwah, Monday, October 05, 06:19:19am (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
For close to a decade City have been allowed to operate their own merry way. An appeal will have to take stock why so long for arriving at a conclusion now that so much collateral damage has happened.
The sorry matter has potential to bring the powers that be also to account. Once all the consequences are considered, entire matter will likely be diluted to display some authority while also adapting the rules to appear progressive.
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- Neco Williams -- Baden Powell, Sunday, October 04, 09:33:29pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Most Improved player in the Premier League. See him going Top Six.
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- BBC commentary ridiculous. If England don't win at a canter they are criticised by everybody. Tonight we have the most blinkered commentary imaginable and the female co-commentatpr was ludicrous. One of those sorts of sifuations where if the Welsh guy was hitting a Dane over the head with a club, she would have accused the Dane of headbutting the club. (NT) -- AC, Sunday, October 04, 09:40:30pm (2e40d84f.skybroadband.com/46.64.216.79)
- Shame he was rather expensive, really liked him during his time at Fulham. Would be superb now and would fit in perfectly with the new system. (NT) -- Al, Monday, October 05, 12:34:43am (cust-51.179.207.177.cgn.as5482.net/51.179.207.177)
- Let’s just forget what Jedi has done for us since he has been here I would take Jedi over Williams every day of the week (NT) -- Button, Monday, October 05, 02:02:49am (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Funny. Never rated him, either at Fulham or Forest. Seemed lightweight to me (NT) -- MH, Monday, October 05, 03:37:43am (210-1-197-11-cpe.spintel.net.au/210.1.197.11)
- Good going forward - can't defend. Silva didn't fancy him - especially at that price. (NT) -- Rupert, Monday, October 05, 08:39:02am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Could the owners of City do to football what they’ve done to other sports? -- Fulham Si, Sunday, October 04, 07:37:11am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
If City is hit with real sanctions and expulsion from the premier league could this motivate their owners to revisit the formation of a Super League? Whilst most football fans are purists many of the clubs are owned by “out and out” business men whose agenda is very different. The Middle East have changed the face of Boxing and Golf to a certain degree could a motivated wealthy nation state do the same in football?
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- No, because the City owners have lost all credibility and will almost certainly be barred from any involvement in football. That's not to say that other rich and powerful entities like the Saudis wouldn't try such a thing. This might even be an opportune moment for a super league. You are right to be worried. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Sunday, October 04, 09:49:15am (NoHost/31.94.74.236)
- Its interesting there has always been these breakaway league but they have never come off. China had a spell, now Saudi but neither has really achieved anything even to the extent saudi have abandoned their golf venture liv tour. Usa still continues to attract good players but the standard of the league structure is still average along with ridiculous distances to travel for a fan (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, October 04, 10:07:07am (NoHost/84.67.212.236)
- Premier League is in a stickier situation since sticky the stick insect landed on a sticky bun. Verdict overturned, or punishment weak, and any remaining integrity is holed below the waterline. Throw the book at Cheaty and they have Burnham on their backs whose ill-advised intervention has actually helped those who believe in proper justice. Game finished if they are not relegated and banned from Europe. Just a question of how many leagues they drop. (NT) -- Rupert, Sunday, October 04, 10:43:45am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- I'd welcome a Super League if it took the half dozen or so wealthiest clubs and left an un corrupt level playing field for the rest. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Sunday, October 04, 12:33:31pm (host86-143-126-133.range86-143.btcentralplus.com/86.143.126.133)
- Well said! When I first started seriously following football - early 60s - no team dominated, no back to back championship wins, unfancied teams broke thru. Super League? Yes, please - it’ll be a European mirror of the Saudi League, and who follows that?! (NT) -- Andrew in Bath, Monday, October 05, 08:10:14am (33C6D3d4.skybroadband.com/51.198.211.212)
- Kevin McGuire Football Finance expert -- Baden Powell., Saturday, October 03, 12:36:13pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Man City could be given something like a -35 points deduction and it will make an exciting climax to the season.I think City would rub their hands together if that was the case.
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- I imagaine they will continue to fulfill the seasons fixtures. Hopefully with more than a 35 point deduction (20 points as of now) They will get than 60+ points more imo with this current squad. It should guarantee relegation at a minimum. (NT) -- CB, Saturday, October 03, 12:52:12pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- No way on gods earth Man City will be relegated…… a points deduction they can survive with at best. This corrupt league just gets more & more corrupt… Saudi,s run the Premier League like it or not (NT) -- Ffc, Saturday, October 03, 01:19:09pm (97e1e33c.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.60)
- Listened to that - he said that would create the ideal drama, which is true! Equally he said more likely 50-60 points all things being equal. (NT) -- woodman, Saturday, October 03, 01:33:42pm (NoHost/46.31.84.144)
- Anything less than 60 points and they stay up -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Saturday, October 03, 01:35:21pm (40-5-254-62.static.virginm.net/62.254.5.40)
- That would require them getting 90+ points. A 50 point deducion would more than suffice for them to be relegated. (NT) -- JF, Saturday, October 03, 02:27:11pm (brnt-06-b2-v4wan-169764-cust3300.vm7.cable.virginm.net/81.101.124.229)
- As I said below, they would have still stayed up if it was 39, 46, 65, 55, 58 and 58 points for the last 6 seasons. So it's under 40 points, thats a whitewash. And even 50 is virtually letting them off the hook. (NT) -- Pablo, Saturday, October 03, 04:45:54pm (host81-147-26-229.range81-147.btcentralplus.com/81.147.26.229)
- I don’t think it would. They currently have a 100% win record in all competitions, and look by far the best team this season. If they prioritise the league they can easily get 100 points again this season. Imo of course (NT) -- Hg, Sunday, October 04, 10:16:37pm (brnt-04-b2-v4wan-177226-cust296.vm7.cable.virginm.net/62.255.133.41)
- Even if it was only a 35 point deduction, the atmosphere at every ground in the country will be like entering a Roman arena for them. It will undoubtedly be months of relentless vitriol from opposing fans. And how many of their supporters will have the appetite to travel to see their team under the circumstances. All these things can affect player confidence, form and motivation. I suspect a number of them have already instructed their agents to find January/summer moves. (NT) -- Samuel, Saturday, October 03, 02:04:50pm (NoHost/83.104.32.41)
- It would be good if there was a football equivalent of the Unduly Lenient Sentence Scheme so anything less than a 60 points deduction could be challenged! (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Saturday, October 03, 05:20:30pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- Apparently we can't mention Andy Burnham, even though AB has commented on the issue quite a lot. But as some idealists keep on saying....'you shouldn't mix football and politics', even though football has always been intertwined with politics. In fact I am currently reading a book on those two very bed fellows. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Saturday, October 03, 06:21:43pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Give them a 50 point penalty for the next 3 seasons. (NT) -- Observer, Saturday, October 03, 06:50:15pm (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Their players are not going to suddenly transition from trophy hunters to relegation candidates. Their hearts won't be in it . I expect most of them to seek a transfer at Xmas. Having already played 5 meaningful matches, the remaining 33 games would be a sham and would warp the league. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Saturday, October 03, 09:04:34pm (NoHost/31.94.74.237)
- Re: Kevin McGuire Football Finance expert (NT) -- I feel a change in the air something is afoot?, Saturday, October 03, 09:55:42pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- He has no way of knowing. The sanctions hearing is run by three independent impartial judges usually so his view is no more insightful than yours or mine. (NT) -- MH, Sunday, October 04, 06:41:59am (210-1-197-11-cpe.spintel.net.au/210.1.197.11)
- With FIFA being under such scrutiny over financial misgivings and “cozying up” to the Middle East and the international condemnation of their conduct can the Premier League afford to do the same? (NT) -- Fulham Si, Sunday, October 04, 07:30:10am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Obvious ini't -- Eerwah, Saturday, October 03, 02:38:01am (NoHost/179.65.163.169)
Reducing average age of a squad while adapting general playing format, cannot be achieved without firstly becoming familar with the abilities of lads qualifying to remain in place and careful view of new aquisition possibilities.
Transfer window time limits and creative agent strategies force decision making into speculative positions not easily apparent to critical fans.
Generally, any new squad member wants to succeed at impressing but un-natural efforts are usually exposed over a reasonable lenght of time.
Due to the above factors and fine margains experienced over initial three fixtures and in the absence of major howlers, A.A.'s abilities in this league can only be reviewed fairly at around late December.
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- Shea Charles -- Depressed, Friday, October 02, 09:52:20pm (host81-159-178-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.178.35)
Another solid performance tonight as Northern Ireland beat Ukraine 3-0. Perhaps he should have a word with his brother to join Fulham. He would be a brilliant replacement for Leno.
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- Man City Thread -- Hammersmithender, Friday, October 02, 09:41:24pm (NoHost/31.94.74.236)
I see the Man City thread has been removed. What exactly are the mods afraid of?
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Re: Man City Thread...likely someone mentioned that the currentbun Italy manager... said 'its nit my problem'...yet the hacked info states HIS SALARY was under taxxed by quite a few millions. HMRC will bee after mancs and manchini for this blantant fruadant fiddlle??? did peter storey and hazza redknap ever get summoned for thier brown envelopes?? (NT) -- didnt reid it butt, Friday, October 02, 09:47:59pm (NoHost/83.138.12.195)
- Rockers, mud and fake Purple Hearts. (NT) -- MOD, Friday, October 02, 11:29:28pm (host109-157-150-145.range109-157.btcentralplus.com/109.157.150.145)
- When i read it, it was all getting political. (NT) -- Observer, Saturday, October 03, 07:56:16am (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
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just noticed this! so Northern Eire play the same National Anthem AS England before matches... -- comonwealth spotted, Friday, October 02, 07:43:47pm (ip108-175-0-134.pbiaas.com/108.175.0.134)
is this normal for all Northern Ireland spoting teams, events?
and if so. is God Save the King the only anthem to be sung by more than ONE Nation in All of sport?
surely they could had come up with A Song of their own?
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- Unbelievable. (NT) -- old codger, Friday, October 02, 09:49:54pm (86-3-237-96.pon.virginmedia.net/86.3.237.96)
- You've only just noticed? (NT) -- Travelex, Friday, October 02, 10:38:54pm (host86-157-159-168.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.159.168)
- Oh dear. It makes you wonder. (NT) -- CB, Friday, October 02, 11:02:42pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- I live in northern Eire but my National Anthem is Amhrán na bhFiann (NT) -- Margerrison, Saturday, October 03, 07:34:37am (NoHost/80.233.71.194)
- Supporters Unite -- Baden Powell, Friday, October 02, 03:44:43pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
If the decision on City is generally felt as lenient. I think us the Fans should take to the streets and boycott Football matches untill our voice is heard.
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- Affengruber Went off at halftime I hope it wasn’t a injury -- Button, Thursday, October 01, 11:12:52pm (NoHost/85.255.236.90)
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- Spain U21 beat San Marino U21...13-0! And Gonzalo Garcia did NOT score!! -- --, Thursday, October 01, 10:03:55pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
He came on at 70 minutes when they were 10-0 up!!
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- Could have done with some goals for confidence, especially with him being our only hope of survival (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, October 01, 11:04:03pm (NoHost/148.252.145.134)
- If Garcia doesn’t come good I can’t see where else the goals are going to come from in sufficient number to keep us out of trouble. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, October 02, 07:04:37am (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- Hopefully shared out across the team.We haven’t had a reliable scorer post Mitro. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, October 02, 09:16:10am (NoHost/31.94.12.150)
- There have been players with more contributions in the squad though. Palhinha, BDR, WIlson and Willian were chipping in, then Jimenez, Muniz, Iwobi, and latterly Chuckwueze. We now have a less favoured Sessegnon, a hopelessly out of form Muniz/ESR, and Iwobi. No one else in the squad has any history of scoring at this level. Our defenders don't score. Our central midfielders aren't prolific. Bobb hasn't scored a league goal. I'm hopeful, but there's enough foundation for concern (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, October 02, 10:16:30am (NoHost/84.66.1.95)
- Re: If Garcia doesn’t come good I can’t see where else the goals are going to come from in sufficient number to keep us out of trouble. (NT) -- Garcia top player in the making will score goals, Friday, October 02, 03:36:27pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Once Abramovic had his assets frozen the Premier League used the Owners and Directors test. -- Fulham Si, Thursday, October 01, 08:22:47pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
They used the test, which some call the fit and proper persons test, to force the sale of the club as he was deemed to be unsuitable. In the case of Man City’s owners they’ve have been found guilty of so many forms of fraudulent activity and forms of cheating surely they would fail the same test. To add to all the other charges it now appears that the off book salary paid to Mancini could have deprived the HMRC of nearly £20m in PAYE payments. So in total that’s potential tax evasion, fraudulent sponsorship deals, off book player salary payments using questionable image right deals, failure to present accounts, failure to stick to FFP regulations and so the list goes on. Time to clean house.
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- Oscar Bobb ! -- Alboy, Thursday, October 01, 08:07:08pm (host86-184-86-84.range86-184.btcentralplus.com/86.184.86.84)
Scores another very good goal against Wales tonight playing for Norway. Good news for us another youbg player hitting form.
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- Yes, well-taken & shows he does have end product. Hopefully we’ll see more of it for Fulham. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Thursday, October 01, 08:38:33pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- He went off very early! 49 mins? (NT) -- GA, Thursday, October 01, 09:42:36pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- All 3 with Fulham links, Williams and James! (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, October 01, 09:52:10pm (NoHost/148.252.145.134)
- This isn't good ! -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Thursday, October 01, 06:38:35pm (40-5-254-62.static.virginm.net/62.254.5.40)
Gonzalo Garcia has been dropped by Spain U21's tonight for there game against the might of San Marino,
This would have been the perfect opportunity for Gonzalo to bag a few and take the match ball home,
He's been replaced by the young lad who replaced him at Real Madrid
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- Dropped??? Against San Marino??!!!............Oh FFS. Wake up. (NT) -- GA, Thursday, October 01, 07:08:28pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- Spain currently 5 nil up in the first half, hopefully Spain make some changes at half time -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Thursday, October 01, 08:01:44pm (40-5-254-62.static.virginm.net/62.254.5.40)
- 12 minutes to go and Spain now 11 nil up with 12 minutes to go, Carlos Espi who replaced Gonzalo at Real Madrid has scored 5 -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Thursday, October 01, 08:52:40pm (40-5-254-62.static.virginm.net/62.254.5.40)
- Arbeloa charged by FA for comments after Man Utd game... -- --, Wednesday, September 30, 09:54:02pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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- Tim Ream -- Jk69, Wednesday, September 30, 01:35:58pm (33bf5c2e.skybroadband.com/51.191.92.46)
Congratulations to Tim Ream who has announced his international retirement after amassing 86 caps over 16 years playing for the US national side.
A truly fantastic role model for the youngsters today and seems a really nice guy too.
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- Well said JK69 (NT) -- Depressed, Wednesday, September 30, 01:40:37pm (host81-159-178-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.178.35)
- Yeah, one of my favourite ever Fulham players. Kept bouncing back from being written off by managers (and fans here!). Classy footballer, lovely bloke and definitely a brilliant role model for younger players around the club. (NT) -- Jim©, Wednesday, September 30, 01:57:15pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Another unfairly maligned player (see Anderson, and to some extent Castagne, Leno and Berge) who got absolutely slaughtered on this platform. (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, September 30, 03:52:12pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- During lockdown he ran an online support campaign for kids feeling isolation resulting from the lack of available youth sports. An absolute Gent, was he the best CB? Possibly not but as a professional and a role model he was exemplary. Top guy! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 30, 06:03:38pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- It's Not Just City! -- Fulham Man, Wednesday, September 30, 12:57:39pm (NoHost/90.252.204.249)
If Many City are finally found guilty then they must be severely punished. However, before FFP, the PL had several owners buying success or involved in corrupt dealings.Jack Walker bought Blackburn the title. Roman Abramovich should never been allowed to buy Chelsea and the title. Carson Yeung of Birmingham City went to jail. Marcus Evans of Ipswich Town owned a company that was accused of ticket scalping and had a top executive jailed in Brazil. Joe Lewis of Spurs was sentenced for insider trading in the US.Ken Bates's ownership of Leeds was embedded in questionable off-shore trusts. Al-Fatim and Antonov who owned Portsmouth at different times went to jail. And I haven't even started with evasive Harry ( 'I write like a 2 year old and can't spell!) Redknapp. And let's not forget seemingly serial sex abuser Fayed who bank rolled us into the PL. Why did it take so long for the PL to act against such questionable money/characters and allow fair competition?
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- Because it’s a balance, the premier league is one of the few great success stories from the last 20/30 years in this country, the envy of every other league globally. It generates huge tax receipts, provides massive soft power/reputational boost to the country and attracts huge amounts of foreign investment without over regulating. Also an element of nearly everyone of that wealth will have skeletons, hardly like Madrid/barca, Milan clubs, juve etc aren’t without history. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 30, 01:50:47pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- A great success story for who though? Only for those at the top. The players, their agents, managers, owners, TV companies have benefitted, but not the average supporter who if they haven't divorced themselves from the game pay now pay through the nose. The great success has virtually finished the legacy supporter which will have consequences in years to come. Also, the great success has produced corruption and not just at City. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Wednesday, September 30, 02:37:39pm (NoHost/31.94.74.237)
- Great success for everyone who benefits from tax receipts, 50% of the top teams £400m wage bill goes straight to HMRC. Great success story for the country’s reputation which benefits all, huge investment into the country, stadiums, jobs, teams like city done loads for local community, regeneration of downtrodden areas. Miles from perfect, but the prem has been a fantastic success story in the main, something the country should be proud of. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 30, 03:13:10pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- I think you have overlooked that subscription TV, funded by the ordinary citizens of this nation is a significant contribution to the wealth that is created by the PL. So although some revenue goes back into taxation, it is in effect a similar money trick to the one outlined in the book, 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist'. A robbing Paul to pay Paul scenario. The rest of subscribers money goes to pay for the fast cars and plush houses of the players. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, September 30, 03:34:27pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Tax receipts far outweigh any sky sports subscriptions, prem generated approx £4.2bn for HMRC couple seasons ago, GVA £10bn per annum, it’s a serious input to the countries coffers. The prem league supports circa 100,000 jobs. Ask Man City fans about the regeneration of east Manchester, how loads of this money/investment is spread around the country, not just London centric. That’s before the soft power and reputation benefits, tourists who want to come, eyes on the country. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 30, 03:55:48pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- To reiterate I’m not saying the prem doesn’t have issues or doesn’t need improving and I believe too much money & wages does go to players & agents, but the overall result of the prem is highly positive for the country. There’s a reason almost every other league looks on with envy, unfortunately a lot of the issues in the prem are as much a societal problem as anything. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 30, 04:00:33pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Just because other foreign clubs have hustory of corruption doesn't mean that we shouldn't look into the greedy corporate excess that has ubbalaced world competition through huge transfer fees and asset stripping other clubs. (NT) -- Fulham Man, Wednesday, September 30, 02:35:16pm (92.40.172.242.threembb.co.uk/92.40.172.242)
- The Man City scandal -- Baden Powell, Wednesday, September 30, 12:11:17pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
If this had happened to Fulham what would be your views or feelings regarding the Actions taken by the owners and management?
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- I'd be appalled at their incompetence. Inflating income by £900 million and still only managing mid-table finishes? Hopeless!! (NT) -- --, Wednesday, September 30, 12:23:00pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- But it’s not….. end of story. Put Man City in the national League (NT) -- Ffc, Wednesday, September 30, 12:33:55pm (97e1e33c.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.60)
- What i find staggering is that Man City are still protesting their innocence. This investigation has gone on for years and Man City have been obstructive throughout. That is the reason i think the Premier League should throw the book at them. (NT) -- DaveT, Wednesday, September 30, 12:50:02pm (host86-167-122-33.range86-167.btcentralplus.com/86.167.122.33)
- They should be subjected to a points deduction equivalent to the amount of points that they won during the period of time that they were found guilty of breaching the rules. That total would be reduced by each point won until cleared. I estimate that they would get relegated six consecutive times, maybe seven. (NT) -- Moose, Wednesday, September 30, 02:13:46pm (NoHost/31.94.30.21)
- Re: The Man City scandal -- red kev, Wednesday, September 30, 08:52:30pm (NoHost/206.245.206.124)
- Re: The Man City scandal (NT) -- West Fulham League awaits, Thursday, October 01, 08:04:53pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- if you haven't seen the hotel in the riverside stand -- or the japanese toilet, Wednesday, September 30, 10:32:49am (p57b47448.dip0.t-ipconnect.de/87.180.116.72)
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- Stayed a night there back in the spring. Lovely hotel, nice staff and the restaurant is superb, actually a credit to the Club. Hopefully it will help a lot with our team funding (NT) -- GTS, Wednesday, September 30, 11:13:19am (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
- Question still remains on whether and how much of the revenue we can count, but even if its 100%, it won't be groundbreaking - back of fag packet calcs, 13 rooms, full occupancy rates at the specified values - you're talking about total revenue of less than 6 months of Leno's wages. If you want to be unrealistic and generous, double that for restaurant related revenue. Its a decent side earner, which probably makes decent profit, but its certainly not going to pay for Mbappe (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, September 30, 12:56:11pm (NoHost/84.66.1.95)
- No it's not, but I once did a 'back of fag packet' calculation and came up with the Riverside stand revenue being equivalent to increasing the capacity of Craven Cottage from 25,000 'ordinary' seats to 50,000 'ordinary' seats. Not to be sniffed at... (NT) -- --, Wednesday, September 30, 02:24:14pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- Not sure what other avenues there are though, we wouldn’t come close to regularly filling a 45/50k stadium, the reality is our potential regular match fan base is very small, so how else do you try and generate revenue, even if it is by a smallish %. In such a competitive market place we’ve gone for USP of trying to attract HNW individuals, makes sense in a relatively wealthy part of a wealthy city, unfortunately it will alienate old school football fans. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 30, 05:32:30pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- The tone of yours and mr 'sniffed at' above seems to suggest i'm saying there's something wrong with the hotel. I'm not at all. I'm not criticising it, just clarifying that it isn't going to suddenly enable us to do a load of stuff we're not doing now in terms of investment. It tops up, it widens the threshold for us falling foul of financial compliance, its all good. People seem to get very defensive on here at times for no good reason. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, October 01, 07:14:10pm (NoHost/84.66.1.95)
- By the way, I have not been around to reply, When I said funding for the team I really meant general funding for the Club. I appreciate that the entire revenue probably pays for the annual wage of an average full back. I was more every little helps, and I was surprised by just how nice it was, although a little far out of central London to attract a huge amount of trade I would worry. (NT) -- GTS, Friday, October 02, 03:31:49pm (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
- I’m not suggesting what you’re saying there’s something wrong or being defensive, just adding to the conversation. Just think it can sometimes be downplayed as only being a couple of million or a small fraction of revenue, it’s just trying to carve out a USP and go down a route which other clubs can’t because the reality of it is I doubt we’ll ever be able to go down the other route of volume of fans to increase revenue so have to try and increase revenue per fan. (NT) -- Henry1879, Saturday, October 03, 09:54:08am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Fulham implicated in the Man City #sham' -- Masters bates, Tuesday, September 29, 08:33:28pm (NoHost/83.138.12.195)
The books were cooked as Fulham over paid Man city the sum of £3M for a certain defender named 'Tosin'
was Obvious to all he wasn't worth this fee paid and now finally its 'Official'
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- Bernd Leno being linked with a move to Bayern Munich as back-up keeper... -- --, Tuesday, September 29, 01:54:56pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
Leno reportedly open to a move back to his homeland.
Is this emerging because Arbeloa doesn't see him as the preferred long-term option?
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- At where we are in the season ( 3 months till the next window )probably nonsence at this point. (NT) -- Trusty Left Foot, Tuesday, September 29, 02:12:24pm (NoHost/90.206.113.198)
- Doesn't his contract run out relatively soon, and probably won't be offered terms similar to what he's on now. Makes sense to move him on. (NT) -- SCA, Tuesday, September 29, 02:22:00pm (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
- Could move in January 2027… Aaron Ramsdale a potential move to The Cottage? (NT) -- Andy in WoT, Tuesday, September 29, 02:42:53pm (NoHost/146.75.174.13)
- Strange, because in an interview a couple of days ago said he loves life in London. (NT) -- K, Tuesday, September 29, 02:58:35pm (NoHost/78.111.194.83)
- -- --, you got that spot on, just an open toilet. (NT) -- Mr Crapper, Wednesday, September 30, 09:04:26am (host-78-148-25-149.as13285.net/78.148.25.149)
- Coventry Tickets -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, September 29, 10:10:06am (NoHost/84.66.1.95)
Go on sale on Thursday.
Weird one this, as a side we've played away once in the last 58 years in the league or something, and an easy journey, so would expect it to be a popular away day. However that once was such a dismal, miserable day, and not that long ago it may have put some off going back! (Was it Marco's 'worst' day as Fulham manager?)
The club have gone with 2 per season ticket holder, so my gut feeling is they may go pretty quickly, may be worth jumping on them quite early.
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- Shea Charles -- Alboy, Monday, September 28, 08:35:58pm (host86-184-86-84.range86-184.btcentralplus.com/86.184.86.84)
Having an excellent game for Northern Ireland tonight against Hungary. Think we have another special young talent on our hands. Exciting times ahead.
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- Which is finished? Manchester City or the Premier League as a viable global commodity? -- --, Monday, September 28, 05:52:31pm (NoHost/82.132.228.145)
Hard to tell...
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- And more importantly, will we sing at the Etihad "Forest Green on a Tuesday night"? (NT) -- Travelex, Monday, September 28, 07:03:57pm (host86-157-159-168.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.159.168)
- Man City are burying their head in the Sahara. Gone on too long. Sky and Premier League have to bring them to their senses. People in the game saying the appeal has absolutely no chance. The whole show is being ridiculed across the country. Enough is enough. Could fans of rival clubs boycott Man City matches. Most would be up for it. (NT) -- Rupert, Tuesday, September 29, 09:58:14am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Not instantly, but might over time revert towards ye olden days, when our top division ranked high globally but Spain and Italy's probably more so. And that mattered little to ordinary supporters, at any rate at clubs like FFC, for whom it was plenty 'big' enough. And still will be if the next TV deals are reduced and average wages revert towards those in the other major Euro leagues. Don't see a downside to that for the owners or domestic supporters of all but a v. few clubs. (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, September 29, 08:20:00pm (host86-149-213-137.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.213.137)
- Man City demoted to National League? Or even National League North? -- --, Monday, September 28, 01:58:46pm (NoHost/109.144.211.125)
I think it would be a great way for them to start giving back to the game...
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- I would lean towards this going above football authorities? The former Sheriff of Manchester needs to find something at the bottom of the settee and new trade deals might just not be forthcoming? (NT) -- Not for me Clive, Monday, September 28, 02:14:35pm (NoHost/131.117.190.58)
- This will be whitewashed under the carpet. Appeal will take years to resolve. (NT) -- K, Monday, September 28, 04:39:33pm (NoHost/78.111.194.83)
- From what's being said - it's unlikely they'll face any imminent punishment. It'll be dragged through the appeals process for years. (NT) -- Samuel, Monday, September 28, 04:43:02pm (NoHost/83.104.32.41)
- There is a strict timeline for the appeals process - all told it should take around 4 months to conclude. What may complicate things is if City try to pursue action through the courts, perhaps (as hinted at already) questioning the neutrality of the commission members. But they would need hard evidence for leave to take that to the High Court. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, September 28, 05:17:59pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- From what I can gather there are fraud charges for the owners as well with possible criminal charges. Now in absolute honesty I’ve heard this second hand and that was taken from information off the normal internet sites. Now IF this is the case I would have thought the owners will fight this through every court they can using any loophole they could find. Chelsea was forced to change ownership (for different reasons) could this happen again? (NT) -- Fulham Si, Monday, September 28, 05:25:23pm (NoHost/148.252.133.55)
- Re: Man City demoted to National League? Or even National League North? (NT) -- Noel and Liam with a buy out package?, Tuesday, September 29, 02:32:25pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Vic Halom -- Andrew in Bath, Sunday, September 27, 08:40:50pm (33C6D3d4.skybroadband.com/51.198.211.212)
Watching Antiques Roadshow - ok, I need to get out more - and Vic ‘s 1973 Cup Final shirt (Sunderland beat Leeds 1-0) was brought in. £15,000. Always liked him - wholehearted, and very popular with the fans.
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- Rare find......someone who watches BBC! (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, September 27, 09:26:48pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- 'ave 'im Vic! - and Vic often did have him. But usually relatively fairly (NT) -- MH, Monday, September 28, 12:29:50am (210-1-197-5-cpe.spintel.net.au/210.1.197.5)
- Re: Vic Halom (NT) -- Loved Super Vic Halom.(great hair), Monday, September 28, 07:01:00am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- When I was a youngster growing up in the early 70s watching Fulham, it always amazed me when my dad would tell me that various household names at the time once played for us....Vic Halom, Allan Clarke, Rodney Marsh, Supermac etc etc...not sure we gave ever been much good at recognising/holding on to talent !! (NT) -- GTS, Monday, September 28, 11:49:32am (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
- Breaking of the News -- Baden Powell, Sunday, September 27, 11:13:56am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
A Deliberate ploy by the FA with the leak in the press on Friday. Apparently a statement by them due in midweek gives them time to test the waters be interesting to hear their Response.
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- Sky look like they are chewing a wasp. -- Rupert, Sunday, September 27, 10:21:19am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
Reporting with far less gusto than their rivals. Bet they wish it would all go away. The longer it drags on the more their jewel in the crown is tarnished. Will Manchester City do the decent thing? They've turned the beautiful game into the grubbiest. Whoever came up with FFP is the real criminal. It was never going to work. P{oor old Martin Tyler. Agueroooo will be erased from the record books.
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- The Hacker in Portugal -- Baden Powell, Sunday, September 27, 08:39:10am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Who spilled the Beans what a hero Mr Pinto take a Bow
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- Simples -- Eerwah, Saturday, September 26, 11:41:35pm (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
School bags and jackets for goal posts with whatever suitable as a ball, played by mates on any form of surface, is now heaps of money to watch because bureaucracy, cheaters and lawyers need to feed on. Humanity keeps losing direction. Wealth of a country owning a football club is then encouraged to compete with more modest souls is the problem. Any form of life, respect for each other is the solution. Really simple stuff with potential for achieving feelings of freedom from the tangle of restriction and chains holding us up.
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- Man. City -- Simple innit!, Saturday, September 26, 09:53:12pm (NoHost/213.207.132.10)
Charges relate to an 8-9 year period, punishment should equal that: 70 point reduction this season and then 40-50 points for the next 8 seasons they are in the EPL.
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- NFR I’d love to know how the genuine, decent and reasonable Man City fans feel about having won all those trophies by cheating… genuine question. I suspect in the vast majority they wouldn’t really care how they won them. -- SCA, Saturday, September 26, 04:28:06pm (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
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- If the Prenier league can’t police their own policies then what’s the point of those policies? -- Fulham Si, Saturday, September 26, 10:43:10am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Man City cheated, end of! The rules set were to ensure we got as close to financial fair play as possible. The established clubs already have an advantage in that they have had multiple years of good earnings to reinvest in better squads to ensure safety. The conventional big 6 have enjoyed additional revenue as a result of European competition money, cup wins etc to stay in contention for those competitions. Of course there are anomalies such as Leicester winning the league and Sunderland reaching European football from promotion but in most cases there is already disparity without cheating as well. Man City have stolen league titles, Cup competitions, stolen revenue as a result and won games that could have helped relegate teams and deny others from reaching European qualification too. If the EFL can penalise Southampton for what is a relatively small infraction compared to city’s crimes then it’s imperative that the sanctions fit the crimes. Rangers was relegated to the bottom of SL2 that’s the sort of sanctions City deserve.
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- What City deserve & what they’ll get are two completely different things…..the Saudi’s run the Premier League it’ll be a points deduction they can cope with . (NT) -- Ffc, Saturday, September 26, 10:55:04am (97e1e33c.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.60)
- Appeals process has 3 months from application to completion; league must be very sure of themselves; Burnley received £35m (from Everton - who are appealing, no surprise there) but severity of these infractions merits far more serious punishment ie expulsion, leaving winners’ spaces blank in records (NT) -- Andrew in Bath, Saturday, September 26, 11:56:34am (33C6D3d4.skybroadband.com/51.198.211.212)
- Henry Winter has INO the answer. Huge points deduction that guarantees relegation in season 1. 3 years of points deductions specified up front should they return that would make relegation unlikely but Europe v unlikely. (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Saturday, September 26, 12:01:49pm (pool-108-2-123-52.phlapa.fios.verizon.net/108.2.123.52)
- Re: If the Prenier league can’t police their own policies then what’s the point of those policies? (NT) -- Could Khan have done what city done?, Sunday, September 27, 08:31:13am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- What other 2 teams getting Relegated? -- Neil Young, Friday, September 25, 10:51:23pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Man City gone. You feel for their Fans and the Staff at the Club.
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- Re: Marca in Spain is saying Fulham knew on advanced that Manchester was going to be charged and then Relegated this season. so appointing a novice manager was a smart and clever longer view move (NT) -- Rincon dela sol, Saturday, September 26, 04:41:59am (86.red.136.56.154.procono.es/154.56.136.86)
- Question is not are they relegated but how many leagues do they drop. Lower league clubs may enjoy the extra cash - like when Rangers got done. (NT) -- Rupert, Saturday, September 26, 08:15:32am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Actually I don’t feel sorry for their fans! I’m sorry but had they have followed the rules then they may not have had all those victories so teams could have been relegated as a result if those wins, lost out on wins in finals, winning titles etc. They are the fans who I feel sorry for. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Saturday, September 26, 10:16:06am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Call me an old cynic and I don;t think it right but I think they are just going to get £ slap on the wrist (NT) -- - Old cynic, Saturday, September 26, 10:39:33am (host31-54-28-95.range31-54.btcentralplus.com/31.54.28.95)
- They've set a precedent by only fining Chelse £10m for much the same, even though the argument was it was under new owners. Even though trophies and every position was affected by their cheating. So expect similar but larger. And as for points deduction, they would have still stayed up if it was 39, 46, 65, 55, 58 and 58 points for the last 6 seasons, so maybe they'll do 50 points, which should be enough to keep them up. (NT) -- Cynic Pablo, Saturday, September 26, 10:56:21am (host81-147-26-229.range81-147.btcentralplus.com/81.147.26.229)
- Re: Call me an old cynic and I don;t think it right but I think they are just going to get £ slap on the wrist (NT) -- Imagine the outcry if only a financial fine., Sunday, September 27, 08:25:35am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Re: What other 2 teams getting Relegated? (NT) -- Do City run of wins against us count for nowt, Saturday, September 26, 03:58:24pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Man City -- Baden Powell, Friday, September 25, 07:29:54pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
What punishment fits the crime? Automatic Relegation? Fine them in the pocket owners are caked in money?Points reduction?Relegation not guaranteed?
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- Simple, relegated League 1, transfer window ban for 4 windows, £100 mill fine. No point strpping titles, the glory’s been had and the enjoyment of fans and club alike cannot be rescinded. (NT) -- SCA, Friday, September 25, 08:11:59pm (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
- Probably the 115th charge they got away with is the automatic relegation (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, September 25, 08:27:25pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- a really really big points deduction would suit us best. we need 3 teams to finish below us (NT) -- hg, Friday, September 25, 08:57:15pm (brnt-04-b2-v4wan-177226-cust296.vm7.cable.virginm.net/62.255.133.41)
- Most commentary suggesting a points deduction sufficient enough to prevent a recovery. Fines they can deal with , status they cannot . Personally I feel a double relegation with a 5 year transfer embargo would be fitting and just ! (NT) -- Mickey, Friday, September 25, 09:12:22pm (host81-129-189-216.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.189.216)
- The punishment that would probably hit them hardest would be to strip them of all the trophies won during the period in question. It won’t happen but that would hurt those responsible more than anything else. Fines they can afford, relegation they can bounce back from. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, September 25, 09:21:03pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- Re: Man City (NT) -- Someone mentioned Luton Town punishment, Friday, September 25, 10:42:30pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Will be tied up in courts for years and years. Not worth thinking about (NT) -- Inspector Morse, Friday, September 25, 11:46:40pm (194-120-133-70.fwnetworks.co.uk/194.120.133.70)
- Right of appeal and third party right to seek damage compensation may or may not apply but whatever outcome is whole big mess and requires provision for at the point of judgment to avoid further confusion. (NT) -- Eerwah, Saturday, September 26, 02:02:20am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/150.228.141.130)
- The owners/directors, during the time that the offences were committed should be banned from being involved with any Premier League team for a long period such as 10 years. (NT) -- Mike T, Saturday, September 26, 08:06:36am (host86-135-180-130.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.180.130)
- The Rangers Treatment. Bottom League start again. Lose all trophies. The cheating is on such a massive scale and so gratuitous that they need to have the kitchen sink thrown at them. But I think the PL will bottle it (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Saturday, September 26, 01:59:44pm (NoHost/78.143.161.23)
- Shea Charles gets the winner in Georgia -- GA, Friday, September 25, 07:01:45pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
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- Not been able to attend any matches as yet so this is first time I have seen Shea Charles play. He had an excellent game and scored a good goal. His brother also had a good match and saved a penalty. (NT) -- Depressed, Friday, September 25, 07:08:00pm (host81-159-178-35.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.178.35)
- Re: Shea Charles gets the winner in Georgia. I hope Alvaro was watching. Shea controlled the NI midfield and was very possitive in the build up of most attacks. Well played Shea and his brother. (NT) -- FE43, Friday, September 25, 07:08:02pm (host-78-148-25-149.as13285.net/78.148.25.149)
- Re: Shea Charles gets the winner in Georgia (NT) -- He looks a real good player in the making, Friday, September 25, 07:15:43pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Shea very good. Only downside for us is that he is likely to be playing all 4 of their games as he is for them (NT) -- Ballard injury may hit Sunderland, Friday, September 25, 07:44:09pm (host31-54-28-95.range31-54.btcentralplus.com/31.54.28.95)
- Man City -- Jimmy Hill's Chin, Friday, September 25, 03:07:58pm (NoHost/176.248.211.130)
News just broke on Talksport. They've been found guilty on all but 1 of the charges. Sanctions to follow.
Personally I think they should be relegated at least 1 division. Cheating scumbags.
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- Hopefully a 70 point deduction -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Friday, September 25, 03:18:01pm (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
- Sanctions which will not take place until the appeal is concluded, so a few more years yet before punishment is meted out. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, September 25, 03:42:51pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- They'll get a transfer ban for a season or so. They are too important to be treated like the majority .They obviously knew that from the outset. (NT) -- CB, Friday, September 25, 04:01:36pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Yep they will be fined a huge amount, which will be suspended plus a season long transfer ban. (NT) -- GTS, Friday, September 25, 04:13:47pm (24.206.100.60.netskope-rdns.com/24.206.100.60)
- the beggining of the end of FFP/PSR or what ever they want to change it to. I see a claim against restriction of trade coming in and thes rules aimed at keeping the status quo will soon be aboloished (NT) -- me, Friday, September 25, 04:43:46pm (host86-143-70-185.range86-143.btcentralplus.com/86.143.70.185)
- Give them the Rangers treatment - back to League 2 and start there . Take all their titles off them too (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Friday, September 25, 05:16:46pm (NoHost/146.75.174.28)
- No idea about the appeal process but leaving that aside the sanction must and will be draconian. There's no way a slap on the wrist will be acceptable to the other Prem clubs and the football public. At the least a one division relegation and a fine that will take back their illegal winnings. (NT) -- The Man With No Name, Friday, September 25, 05:29:02pm (host86-143-126-133.range86-143.btcentralplus.com/86.143.126.133)
They will get a severe points deduction, suspended for 6 months. (NT) -- MF, Friday, September 25, 05:37:49pm (NoHost/84.71.114.43)
- Bobb scores for Norway!! -- --, Thursday, September 24, 09:52:00pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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Who caes! He's shite! (NT) -- According to everyone on here!, Friday, September 25, 01:19:14am (NoHost/213.207.130.45)
- Nicely taken too (NT) -- MH, Friday, September 25, 08:02:48am (210-1-197-5-cpe.spintel.net.au/210.1.197.5)
He’s coming good under AA. (NT) -- CB, Friday, September 25, 08:43:10am (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Only time he scores is when Andersen is playing! (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, September 25, 09:06:38am (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- Think someone flagged these on here before, but Tony Pulis' articles on the BBC website are very good... -- --, Thursday, September 24, 05:03:31pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
Here he's writing about De Zerbi at Spurs, but am sure a lot of the points apply to Arbeloa as well, and emphasise the need for us fans to be patient:
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/crd68ev059y8o">https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/crd68ev059y8o</a>
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- Safe standing at CC -- Jungle J, Thursday, September 24, 03:01:05pm (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
There is a statement on the Club website about safe standing, looks like it is happening (but not for home fans yet)
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- Yeah they're going to do a feasibility study before deciding to put the safe standing area at the back of the Hammersmith end where people have stood for the last 20 odd years anyway (NT) -- TSW, Thursday, September 24, 04:22:30pm (NoHost/31.94.64.186)
- Bring back the stanchions. (NT) -- old codger, Thursday, September 24, 07:25:41pm (NoHost/85.203.46.213)
- Re: Safe standing at CC (NT) -- The Club certainly not seating on their hands., Thursday, September 24, 09:00:11pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Let's hope it more like the Safe Standing at Brentford rather than at Liverpool, much more space at the Gtech (NT) -- The RealStanTheMan, Friday, September 25, 08:13:26am (NoHost/151.186.181.16)
- Ipswich Town tickets -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Wednesday, September 23, 07:24:45pm (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
Only 19 left, if you're thinking about it, then it's now or never.
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- Some encouragement while for the international break.... -- --, Wednesday, September 23, 11:07:41am (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
<a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ck7v4y7jv182o">https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ck7v4y7jv182o</a>
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- Our GD is excellent for a 19th-place team. 3 defeats, all by the odd goal. Drew the last 2 against 'top' sides. But as we know, we often struggle against 'lesser' opposition. WE must put that right this season. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, September 23, 03:13:06pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Just looking at results v promoted teams- in the last 3 seasons out of 18 games, it reads: W11 (5 away) D5 (3 away) L2 (1 home, 1 away). (NT) -- Jim©, Wednesday, September 23, 03:54:20pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- On that basis we are good for 14 points of those promoted this season. There is no obvious lame duck from that trio right now. There will be but, we still have to do the business on them. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, September 23, 07:18:55pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Yeah, it doesn't always seem like we do that well against them, but overall its pretty good. Quite a bit of season to season variance though - 23/24 W3, D2, L1, 24/25 W3 D3, 25/26 W5 L1. We need something more similar to last season based on what we're seeing so far. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, September 25, 02:36:49pm (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- We have now gone three games, in all competitions, without defeat so that is encouraging! (NT) -- John B, Thursday, September 24, 12:54:06am (NoHost/185.128.9.114)
- I don’t think we can truly assess our situation for another 3 or 4 games. -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 23, 06:31:03am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
We have shown this team has goals in it and we’ve now proven we can defend sufficiently well. What we haven’t yet shown is we can score goals whilst defending well. With zero points from our first three games it was entirely right to go into the Liverpool and Man U game with the focus mainly on not losing as opposed to going all out for the win. Firstly the question, of course, is can we compete at both ends within the same game with the players we have, we obviously were intended to be an attack focused team and bought players and drilled existing players with that style of play in mind. Unfortunately after the first 3 games realised we would have to rethink that strategy. In a season of major transition in terms of manager, style and players the focus has to be staying up only, using the next couple of transfer windows to ship more players in and out to end up with a squad capable of truly making this transition work. I think AA and the board may have underestimated how much would need to change and how long this transition would take and 3 or 4 games against lesser teams will show how much more change or how much more time is needed.
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- The DOF would not have a clue about transition when appointing an inexperienced manager? If he goes back to first 3 games style we will be cut adrift by November. Even 5 points next 3 games is not a disaster not ideal but keeps us competitive and maintaining a consistency. (NT) -- Not for me Clive, Wednesday, September 23, 06:50:10am (NoHost/131.117.190.58)
- October. (NT) -- CB, Wednesday, September 23, 08:28:10am (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- For me the next 3 games are crucial, we need 2 wins and a draw minimum, less than that the alarm bells should be ringing very loudly (NT) -- The RealStanTheMan, Wednesday, September 23, 11:57:00am (NoHost/151.186.181.16)
- This isn’t an attack but think you made some conclusions that arent as obvious as they sound.. maybe it was always the plan for an extra dm against the big guns? Affengruber hasn’t played in the single dm set up yet, plenty of the new squad are making impressions but are far from settled, to be expected. I don’t think we’ve seen the last the set up seen in early games and with this much change in a season 10 games in would probably be the minimum for a clearer accurate picture. (NT) -- FF, Thursday, September 24, 12:07:20am (82-132-212-121.dab.02.net/82.132.212.121)
- Only scored in 2 matches, Chelsea keeper gave us 2 and King vs Palace was just a deflection (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, September 24, 09:45:58pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- Direction -- Eerwah, Wednesday, September 23, 03:08:48am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/150.228.141.130)
Under MS, we rightly or wrongly gave league safety issues priority. Once achieved, our form repeated a kind of cruise towards season end.
To my mind, lack of visible ownership and DOF active interest together with older level age squad set up, had something to do with no evident ambition for achieving a modest qualification in Europe.
Academy possibilities beyond very obvious needs of the squad or clear display of talent seemed to be largely left alone due to next to no requirement for taking risk.
Mou/MS/AA merry go around has potential to achieve surprise happenings. It is far too very early for judgment to be cast at Craven Cottage during this point in time. Recent points gained suggest soon with us new year is the time for looking at what can be achieved.
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- 3 points from first 27. Guess who did that and ended up finishing 12th (and above us) in 2023-24 season? -- Cherries under Iraola, Tuesday, September 22, 07:49:43pm (cpc93828-hari18-2-0-cust1442.20-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.229.163)
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- Well if we replicate that I’d be more than happy. But how many clubs have had those early stats and been relegated? Until we pick up real points both are still a distinct possibility! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 07:57:22pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Under Roy, didn't Palace go first 8 games without a point and very few goals, yet finished half way? (NT) -- Observer, Tuesday, September 22, 09:15:02pm (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Many factors involved but a bad start means there are many opportunities to rectify in house issues also a midseason transfer window to adapt the squad for arriving at the safe margin of 40points. (NT) -- Eerwah, Wednesday, September 23, 01:17:01am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/150.228.141.130)
- People seem to want to compare AA to Ireola but he had managed over 200 games before he came to Bournemouth (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, September 24, 09:48:06pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- Marco Silva getting very frustrated with referees after Benfica lost to Porto... -- --, Tuesday, September 22, 04:34:15pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
“I won’t comment on the sending off. If the club has something to say about the match, I think it should say it.”
“I don’t know if I’ll be able to continue like this until the end of the season, because I come from a different culture.”
“Here, unfortunately, you can influence referees before matches, after them and during the week, and sometimes it works. I’m not going to go down that route.”
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- Gonzalo called up for Spain U21s so will be absent this break after all... -- --, Tuesday, September 22, 09:45:08am (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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- Icardi -- Juan, Tuesday, September 22, 09:43:40am (97e08f01.skybroadband.com/151.224.143.1)
Mauro Icardi is available on a free, if we want to boost our forward line. Excellent goal scoring record.
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- Although stats can be a useful tool to measure your output stats can be deceiving. -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 07:01:39am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Man U had 29 shots to our 13 which implies they were more dominant in attack, if you go by stats alone . However only 6 of Man U’s shots were on target whereas 6 of our 13 were on target too. So this means we were more selective when shooting and a lot less wasteful, arguably our attack was more clinical. However even this can be deceiving because we saw how well Leno played and he had to play well because of Man U’s 6 pretty much all 6 on target were good hits. Of our 6 how many of them really tested the keeper? Now let’s say Leno didn’t have to be as good as he was yesterday and their 6 shots were pretty tame efforts and straight into Lenos hands then despite their figures showing an attack dominance the reality would have been they’d have been pretty much toothless. So it’s easy to get caught up in the stats and they are, for sure, a goid training tool but as a match predictor I’m not sure.
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- Furthermore a teams xg is not based on that teams statistics or any if its players but rather it is based on a statistical probability of any team and any player. So Arsenal could have the same XG going int a game as us (pure example) based upon the positions both teams get into and the frequency but Arsenal deliver 3 x times more goals than us based upon having better players once in those positions. The only stat in attack that matters is how frequently a team actually scores. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 07:16:45am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Their's were mostly long-rangers, outside the area. We tend to take about 8 more passes from that point. Although Gonzalo looks like he is happy to shoot early (NT) -- ASPT, Tuesday, September 22, 07:41:35am (NoHost/103.31.114.99)
- Re: Although stats can be a useful tool to measure your output stats can be deceiving. (NT) -- I think the Result was about right., Tuesday, September 22, 08:47:47am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Re: Although stats can be a useful tool to measure your output stats can be deceiving. (NT) -- Hugo Larsson reminds me of a young Will Hughes, Tuesday, September 22, 09:12:15am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Same issue, sort of, arose in the Palace match. We had a much higher 'xg', but this arose from a high volume of attacks, which, though often exciting and eye-catching, tended to yield modest 'xg' ratings individually. Palace were generally woeful, but on the much rarer occasions we did let them through, we did so in a big way! (NT) -- b+w g., Tuesday, September 22, 10:40:13am (host86-149-213-137.range86-149.btcentralplus.com/86.149.213.137)
- XG isn't really to do with volume- though you could argue that you're really increasing your expected goals by having more shots. We should have won that game at a canter really, we had a load of really good chances but couldn't turn them into goals. Interestingly another stat that means nothing, Fulham are 2nd for touches in opponents area this season. First? Man Utd. (NT) -- Jim©, Tuesday, September 22, 02:21:35pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Of course volume is relevant when talking about match xG. match xG is essentially a PxQ metric that has two variable levers - quantity or quality. You can increase your overall match xG by increasing either one - ie, have more shots at a lower quality, or less at a higher one. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Tuesday, September 22, 03:38:14pm (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- Well it is relevant as I admitted, but not wholly. Saying there's just two variables underplays the stats a bit. Location, pressure, assist type, angle all effect the quality element. if you have 15 shots from wide outside the area with defenders between you and the goal your xg will be probably be under 0.05xg each time (a 5% chance of scoring) So 12 of those shots won't really give you a great XG. Hence Man U on sunday had loads of shots, but mainly from way outside the area that got blocked. (NT) -- Jim©, Tuesday, September 22, 04:23:31pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Spot on Jim but also how relevant is XG anyway? If your XG is based over 5 games and they were all based on playing teams with weaker defence does it have a relevance when you come up against a team that plays with 5 at the back using quality defenders? What happens if the oppo plays a high line and cuts out a lot of attacks before you reach their box? (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 04:35:12pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- XG can be broken down into further detail, like expected XG, expected XA, non penalty XG, there’s so many now. Teams and managers put a lot of emphasis on them, especially the likes of BHA and Brentford, with their stats background owners. But same with any stat, they’re not particularly useful in isolation and you need a decent sample size to generate patterns and trends and like with any stat there’ll be anomalies (Wilson last year potentially), nothing is a perfect science. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 23, 09:57:44am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Statistics or no statistics you can’t give up 15 shots a game it is suicidal and we will get relegated. Watching United taking short corner after short corner to the edge of our box with not one of our players thinking I better close this down was embarrassing (NT) -- Button, Tuesday, September 22, 12:55:28pm (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
- Prime example, Josh King has had 37 touches in the opposition box ( highest) of which created 4 chances for team mates which came to nothing. Had 12 shots of which 5 were on target, 7 off target all resulting in 2 goals. That’s a lot of XG for 2 goals. Josh is an excellent player but that’s the XG distortion. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 06:45:55pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- That's what I mean, volume doesn't mean you'll get a high xg, his xg is 1.12 this season. (NT) -- Jim©, Tuesday, September 22, 08:34:55pm (host109-158-158-159.range109-158.btcentralplus.com/109.158.158.159)
- 100% (NT) -- Fulham Si, Tuesday, September 22, 09:07:27pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- If he'd had double the shots of the same quality that he has had, he'd have a higher xG? It doesn't automatically = a high xG because they can all be shots from 40 yards, but on average if you shoot more, your xG will be higher. Thats irrefutable, and is the point i'm making above (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, September 24, 08:36:10am (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- Hard Work Makes Luck -- Eerwah, Tuesday, September 22, 03:28:26am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/150.228.141.130)
Once A.A. in place, a back line of five emegred as the way to go for it gives the high press wing backs freedom required. Wing forwards can steer inside or provide presence to mids or backs besides having three center halves in a dominant structure. Mids and one of the center halves can even develop meaningful strikes at the onion bag much like Bassey enjoyes trying to achieve. The squad we have suits five back line formation that can convert to any other more conventional format as a situation requires.
Not very unlike our goal, Sunday equalizer was a cruel deflection. A.A. is heading in the right direction. Lead up to new year is starting to look promising.
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- Distance Run -- eganonoa, Tuesday, September 22, 01:57:48am (227.166.92y.org/38.86.166.227)
A lot being said about how AA has us running a lot this season. And it is true. We are indeed covering a lot more distance this year, than last.
What is interesting, however, is that, per this article, every team is covering more distance and, we've dropped from the team that covered the most distance of the teams that stood up, to second place in that ranking.
www.theguardian.com/football/2026/sep/21/long-range-hits-goals-galore-inside-premier-league-chaos
I hadn't thought of us last year as the "runningest" team in the league. But the chart in that article seems to say were. If so, I wonder if that's a reason for the standard Spring form drop-off under Marco?
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- Meanwhile, Mourinho struggling at Real Madrid, who are fourth in La Liga, behind even Real Betis... -- --, Monday, September 21, 09:42:25pm (82-132-228-85.dab.02.net/82.132.228.85)
...but Arbeloa's a terrible manager of course.
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- Except Mourinho is one of the most successful managers of all time with 26 major trophies including 2 champions league titles, but Arbeola has won f**k all and was sacked after a couple of months at Real Madrid. Other than that, it's a good comparison 👍 (NT) -- Samuel, Tuesday, September 22, 01:00:29am (NoHost/83.104.32.41)
- Re: Meanwhile, Mourinho struggling at Real Madrid... except, in fact Arbeloa wasn't sacked. RM was keen to keep him, but to have him return to his role as coach of the 2nd team after his stint as caretaker manager after Alonzo's sacking. AA didn't want to accept the step back down, as he felt that he'd shown that he shown he could coach at the top level, as he'd managed Real to finishing 2nd in La Liga (they're 4th at the moment, under Mourinho), and qualified for the Champions League. (NT) -- MickyAdamsFamily, Tuesday, September 22, 02:27:00pm (syn-024-090-205-198.res.spectrum.com/24.90.205.198)
- everyone is banging on about shots conceded, both Cov at NF and Hull at NU had 20+ shots in their games -- all relative, Monday, September 21, 05:48:55pm (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
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- Just about the most meaningless stat.Our expected goals were on par with.We have often had loads of shots and not scored.Bretford Button likes it though. (NT) -- Let Hi Troll, Monday, September 21, 06:04:42pm (NoHost/31.94.12.141)
- Additionally, Man U have taken the most shots this season so far, 18 more than anyone else, nearly double Arsenal. Mbeumo and Bruno are 2nd and 3rd individually after Haaland. For those of us that like stats (fair enough not everyone is) that makes it no surprise they had a lot of shots against us, and that shots aren't everything. (NT) -- Stat Knight (Centre back), Monday, September 21, 11:51:34pm (NoHost/103.214.46.83)
- In terms of being "gun-shy" or "conceding too many shots" we are 8th in the league for shots taken, and 16th for shots conceded. Pretty good on the former and reflecting our Manager's attacking approach, and could improve on the latter, setting aside who we've played (1st, 6th, 7th, 12th and 17th for shots) which could be causal or consequential, especially with only 5 games of data. (NT) -- Stat Knight (Centre Back), Monday, September 21, 11:56:20pm (NoHost/103.214.46.83)
- Meanwhile the Subs yesterday ! -- Mickey, Monday, September 21, 02:40:44pm (NoHost/82.132.228.83)
I def didn’t agree with Iwobi and King taken off and while we’re at it , bringing a 3rd CH in add meant we had to sit deeper and for me far too early . Maybe the importance of not losing ( bearing in mind the season thus far ) over-rode the ambition of adding a 2nd .
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- Well don't tell us get in touch with Arbeloa I'm sure he will be appreciative of your advice and expertise? (NT) -- Loppy Lou., Monday, September 21, 02:50:20pm (host86-150-10-23.range86-150.btcentralplus.com/86.150.10.23)
- Knowing that brick 💩 house Maguire would be coming up for set pieces gave me no problem with a 3rd cb coming on, but I would have kept one of King / Iwobi on the pitch as they were by far our most effective attackers. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, September 21, 03:32:40pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- We should have kept our greatest goal threat on (King) and not just relied on Muniz. We've been here so many times before; it seems our manager hasn't. Still, he's learning on the job and is bound to cost us some points. (NT) -- CB Prem toughest league in the world, Monday, September 21, 03:52:02pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Arbeloa can't win can he? Start of the season, criticised for having a defence that was too open. Now criticised for "only' drawing with Man Utd at home. Arbeloa came close to beating Man Utd at Craven Cottage than Silva ever did. EVER. (NT) -- --, Monday, September 21, 03:52:56pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- If anybody didn’t see that King was shattered then I wonder what they were actually watching. Everybody knew Maguire would be pushed forward the last 10 minutes so Andersen was understandable. Lost midfield when Berge went off. (NT) -- K, Monday, September 21, 03:59:13pm (NoHost/78.111.194.83)
- Like the above wrote King was dead on his feet. Andersen and Kevin seemed sensible subs. If there had not been a deflection AA would be a master tactician I assume? (NT) -- Going, Monday, September 21, 04:43:01pm (host109-148-24-58.range109-148.btcentralplus.com/109.148.24.58)
- We drew against a team with 5 points from 5 games. If they weren’t called Manchester United we wouldn’t have much of an opinion on it. The game itself wasn’t impressive for either team. Both goals were complete flukes and if it wasn’t for those it would have been a nil nil against a team with 5 points in 5. It was a move in the right direction that’s all! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Monday, September 21, 04:53:08pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Reading this lot FFS! The team played well, the manager maybe screwed up after we scored. Keep saying he's learning. October is when we judge , not now. (NT) -- CB, Monday, September 21, 06:37:11pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- 3 CB’s might be the answer. -- Fulham Si, Monday, September 21, 11:52:10am (NoHost/148.252.133.236)
Normally that indicates a more defensive set up but with the way AA would like to play I don’t think it would. In attack having the fullbacks further forward providing the width, which in turn allows the forwards to play narrower (more centrally to the goal) was working going forward but it did leave us a man short at the back. With 3 CB’s spread across the back line and a shield of Berge and Charles would be no different to how we are playing now we just won’t have to hold back a fullback. It obviously means sacrificing a conventional attacking player further up the pitch but conversely it allows us 5 at the back when having to do more defensively without having to change tactics at different points in the game.
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- I’m not sure whether that gives us the fluidity Arbeloa wants , Si. Presumably Iwobi is your other CM which would mean losing Bobb from starting 11, with Josh continuing to play close to Gonzalo. Will there be the interchange we’ve been seeing of late ? I’m cert not against it , and would in theory make us more difficult to beat; but I don’t see him changing as a starting set-up (NT) -- Mickey, Monday, September 21, 12:12:33pm (host81-129-189-216.range81-129.btcentralplus.com/81.129.189.216)
- Im amazed you dont have a career in football, tactical genius (NT) -- Shape was good yesterday, Monday, September 21, 05:56:31pm (ec2-54-78-212-250.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.78.212.250)
- Gary Neville -- f bloke, Monday, September 21, 11:42:29am (NoHost/90.212.208.139)
Really not sure how Sky can justify Neville being a co-commentator on Utd games. Not only does he have very little knowledge of players o/s the big 6 clubs, but he is now watching Utd games as a fan rather than an impartial observer - and an angry fan at that. He only saw Utd shortcomings and was totally silent on positive Fulham moments. I thought it an extraordinarily unprofessional performance on his part. A Utd friend says that even Utd fans now hate it when he commentates on their games. He has now joined Alan Smith and Lee Hendry at the top of most disliked co-commentator league. Fortunately Shearer only does England games since I find him pretty insufferable too.
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- All part of the Gary Linekerisation of football punditry. The idea that ex-footballers talk about the game better, Spoiler alert: They don't. Football pundits should be good analysts NOT ex-footballer. MOTD much better now we don't have ex-pros presenting it! (NT) -- --, Monday, September 21, 12:02:59pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- There’s a trend towards ex players of clubs commentating on their games and I don’t really know why. Maybe it’s something to do with their big fan bases wanting it? But it’s normal now to have carragher doing Liv, Neville Utd, Smith arsenal, I assume there’s a commercial reason behind it as I don’t see why having a predisposed bias is good for everyone else to watch. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, September 21, 12:32:09pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- I don't subscribe to any live streaming channel. I only like watching football live in the stadium, and I'm lucky that my health and income allows me to do this. I really dislike most commentators and many of the pundits. Are there any channels that show the game with the Crowd noise, but without commentary and punditry. I know they do this in Scotland as often the highlights on Youtube have no commentary. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Monday, September 21, 12:52:28pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Constantly referred to 'we' when talking about Utd... how can that be acceptable? (NT) -- SCA, Monday, September 21, 05:39:13pm (NoHost/2.123.71.86)
- If you watch on TV but with Jim's commentary, there's a timelag but that's prefereable to the actual commentator, and of course you can see what's going on anyway. (NT) -- .., Monday, September 21, 08:07:52pm (host86-157-73-36.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.73.36)
- I just think some of you are miserable and want something to moan about. I think it's fine that he wears his heart on his sleeve. There is no pretense and he is actually quite a good analyzer of the game. Dare I say it far better than most of the fools on here. Plus its fun watching him post-Ferguson in permanent dispair. (NT) -- Brim Thaxter, Monday, September 21, 09:28:05pm (unn-169-150-199-173.datapacket.com/169.150.199.173)
- Goalie -- Long Termer, Monday, September 21, 10:59:14am (host86-190-174-110.range86-190.btcentralplus.com/86.190.174.110)
I wonder where the 'get rid' brigade are today? Or the 'beaten from distance'? Still think Leno should be dropped?
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- If he keeps playing like he did yesterday, then we'll do better this season. I've been a critic of his as he's been poor for the last 18 months. Let's hope it's not a flash in the pan as he was excellent (bar one terrible punch from a corner). (NT) -- Jim©, Monday, September 21, 11:05:03am (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- Did very well.Makes a change from recent seasons.If he can more or less keep it up he deserves to keep his place.Will still need replacing soon. (NT) -- HenelRog, Monday, September 21, 11:18:18am (NoHost/31.94.12.141)
- As welcome as his saves were - they were still the sort of saves you would expect a top GK to make. GK's need to be judged on the number of mistakes or 'could have done better' moments over a period of time. If there were a batting average equivalent of such moments - over the last eg 12 months he would not be ranking particularly highly. Hopefully yesterday will give him the confidence to improves his averages (NT) -- f bloke, Monday, September 21, 11:26:10am (NoHost/90.212.208.139)
- F Bloke. I watch a lot of games on TV as not resident in UK. Just about every keeper has been making mistakes and lots getting beaten at the near post so Leno is no exception so get off his back (NT) -- K, Monday, September 21, 01:39:53pm (NoHost/78.111.194.83)
- Well done. You've waited 2 years to be able to post this. That says it all. He played well yesterday. Thats great. No one is dissapointed with that. We all hope it continues. It doesn't mean he's been performing to the required standard for the rest of the last 2 years (NT) -- Same Old STory, Monday, September 21, 02:37:15pm (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- To be fair he was at fault for goals in all the games bar yesterday (NT) -- Waterboy, Monday, September 21, 09:02:27pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- affengruber -- baz, Monday, September 21, 10:43:40am (p5dc43a9d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de/93.196.58.157)
poor bugger looked shell shocked at the final whistle...
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- He is looking like a very good buy. (NT) -- Harry68, Monday, September 21, 01:47:38pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- He was unlucky......so were we (NT) -- Shit happens, Monday, September 21, 02:57:08pm (hudd-14-b2-v4wan-168900-cust2605.vm35.cable.virginm.net/80.7.58.46)
- Yep, Affers will do for me, I like him (NT) -- -, Monday, September 21, 05:33:24pm (host31-50-55-75.range31-50.btcentralplus.com/31.50.55.75)
- He looks like Justin Long! And his surname translates to Monkey Pit (NT) -- ASPT, Tuesday, September 22, 07:45:44am (NoHost/103.31.114.99)
- More IQ needed -- Ra's al Ghul, Monday, September 21, 10:31:32am (NoHost/212.132.246.99)
I think we need to accept the Maguire foul for what it was, a foul.
Although unlikely to win the challenge, it would have been better for Palacios to have attempted a fair challenge, making it harder for Maguire to control the outcome. But by jumping in to his back, Palacios allowed Utd to reset and gain control of the ball without immediate pressure from out players.
The comment in the TV interview post match was straight from the Marco Silva playbook
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- It wasn't anywhere near a foul. Maguire knew what he was doing. As far as I know, when you jump for a header you are allowed to touch an opponent?? Maguire clearly fooled you too. (NT) -- Jim©, Monday, September 21, 10:46:04am (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- 10st vs 16 stone, maguire went down like he was pole axed. (NT) -- soft all day long, Monday, September 21, 10:52:13am (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
- Some Marcoesque moments. Let’s blame the ref, whilst I change the game plan by taking off our liveliest offensive players, exchanging them for defensive lumps in a vain attempt to hold onto what we had. From high press to low press and ultimately fuck all press. Poor poor management. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Monday, September 21, 11:06:48am (NoHost/176.251.247.122)
- Unordered thoughts -- Jungle J, Monday, September 21, 10:28:10am (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
Some thoughts on the game yesterday, in no particular order. For me at least a very entertaining game until the last 15-20 minutes. Plenty of action in both areas - apparently the most shots in a goalless first half? Both teams wondering how they go in at half time without scoring.
The back four with Affengruber looks much more balanced and there is still room to improve. Similarly, the Berge/Charles axis is clearly the right way to go. Two very composed players, unafraid of the press. BUT Charles probably gave the ball away with under/over hit passes half a dozen times. It's just something to tidy up - a lovely player to watch most of the time.
Going forward we are very pleasing on the eye - King and Bobb in particular are very exciting players to watch. The final product continues to be the issue though - there were a couple of "you must score" chances yesterday, as well as some wasteful crossing (I swear if Antonee Robinson could cross he would be playing for Man City). And the other problem is the smaller stature of the forward group overall - not so much that they can't hack it, but the refs have clearly decided collectively that King/Bobb/Gonzalo/Palacios are lightweight - so those players get nothing from refs, and defenders are aware that they can manhandle or barge or outright foul our guys with effective impunity. Dare I say that if King was playng for a Sky 6 club he would get a lot more protection from the officials?
There has been a lot of talk about reverting to 5ATB to try and see out the game. It does invite pressure and yesterday it told (albeit via a deflection). My observation was that, after we scored, all the players became nervous about the ball - so many times trying to ping-pong short quick one-touch passes through the pressure instead of holding the ball. For me we invited pressure not so much by going to 5ATB but by resolutely refusing to try to keep the ball. Maybe taking Berge off was a mistake
AA's comments on the ref: probably a little over the top. He's right to point up the open secret of big club bias, but an ill-advised choice of words in expressing the feeling. And the ref WAS frustrating - fortunately no major decisions for him to make - but it was all the small decisions piling up that got AA riled up. The 50/50s, the microdecisions, they do add up to an influence on the game. King booked for diving, I think the standard for booking for simulation needs to be as high as for giving a penalty, the ref needs to be sure - there is a difference between "it's not a foul" and "it's a dive". Castagne's booking I am fine with. Muniz booked for, um what exactly? And then Mbeumo pushes Robinson probably three times before Jedi goes over, if Muniz was a booking that has to be a booking too. And the thing that frustrated me was how quickly he would start his countdown for us to take a throw or kick out, compared to how long he would leave it for Utd.
Lastly, I had heard that United had some legendary away support, but that was a lie. The worst away end at CC I have seen for a long time. Conversely some great singing in the Hammy End, and delicious that the own goal came from Martinez.
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- agree with the ref, couldn't wait to get his card out with one booking, and then was 'told' by the manchester players to book muniz for throwing the ball away. (NT) -- and Kavanaugh was the 4th official., Monday, September 21, 10:48:04am (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
- Although Affen has been good we are so different tactically to the palace game, I bet if Andersen had played last few the outcomes would have been similar, our defenders are just not being exposed with Berge/charles and Cast in particular staying far deeper. The subs been overblown imo, they were like for like until 80’ but we couldn’t keep the ball well and were offering very little, so was reasonable to say ok we’ll try and hang on then and were so comfortable for the last 20 minutes. (NT) -- Henry1879, Monday, September 21, 11:43:10am (82-132-221-185.dab.02.net/82.132.221.185)
- That was blatant simulation by Josh - wasn’t even artfully done. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Monday, September 21, 12:09:17pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- How can whoever the ‘idiot’ or ‘idiots’ choosing the referee for games come up with a referee from Lancashire and a fourth official with ties to Manchester who has a pretty dubious history with FFC for a match between Fulham and Manchester Utd. I personally believe that Bankes is a right clown but no doubt favours the most high profile teams but the problem is that is exactly what the Premier League, as an organisation, wants. (NT) -- John B, Tuesday, September 22, 12:16:44am (NoHost/185.128.9.115)
- Ipswich Town tickets -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Monday, September 21, 09:41:09am (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
An extra block of tickets has been put on sale 10 minutes ago, already selling quickly.
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- So will AA be banned from the dug-out for Ipswich? -- Rupert, Monday, September 21, 09:10:52am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
For simply saying what every fan across the country has known for decades. He should be applauded.
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- no call ups for the Spainish players, that leaves A larger than expected group at Motspur for Abeloa to work with. -- sdf, Monday, September 21, 08:22:05am (ip217-154-250-99.pbiaas.com/217.154.250.99)
the attacking group left out by their potential Nations does leave AA with large numbers to work with.
Lets see how this plays out after the INT break.
The last two league games have been pragmatic in approach.
Will we see A return to the more attacking manner now we not playing against the So-Called Top Clubs?
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- Work Required. -- Baden Powell, Monday, September 21, 07:38:32am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Point I know, but I thought it was a worrying performance yesterday.I now reckon we are in for a long season not necessarily Relegation but the European contention not this campaign.Obviously lots of improvement required and A A needs time to blend this team into a unit ( Not sure he really knows his best Team yet)There are hopeful signs I do feel there is a missing ingredient in the present team that what A A gets the big bucks for. Keep the faith.
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- If Robbo lobs the ball over the chelsea keeper, or the ref yesterday didn't give the sofest foul on maguire by CP, we could be mid table. Fine margins, the next three games will determine our season (NT) -- we are only 5 games in, Monday, September 21, 09:15:57am (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
- Anyone thinking we are getting in europe with our attacking options must be mad, we never replaced Wilson or Raul so destined for bottom half (NT) -- Waterboy, Monday, September 21, 09:09:57pm (NoHost/94.8.41.234)
- Onwards and upwards -- View from the Riverside, Monday, September 21, 07:22:21am (NoHost/104.28.40.85)
Where we are . So unbeaten in three games now with a new younger side and manager bedding in. We were unlucky yesterday and the team cannot be faulted for its effort. They ran hard and played well. Leno had his best game all season and I thought Berge had a good game too . Bassey is a great choice as skipper.
my only real criticisms of the team on the field is we sometimes don’t move the ball quick enough( but it’s tough to play at 100mph for 90 mins) and we should take more shots , we still seem gun shy. I also thought Muniz was poor when he came on, just basically fouled people. .off the field I think AA parked the bus too early - with 20 mins to go to switch to a back five invited pressure. In those instances I always feel you need to give it five mins and then… another five mins . Have the bottle to push the team a bit more and then shut up shop with ten mins to go plus stoppages. But again a lesson learnt.
All in all the team is progressing since the low point of Palace. Maybe another striker in the window but it’s improving every game. I for one am enjoying AA’s football .
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- Lies, damn lies and statistics. -- Fulham Si, Monday, September 21, 06:55:08am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
There has been criticism of both how many shots we’ve faced and how questionable our attack is. Yesterday despite the amount of shots we’ve faced faced being 26 only 6 were on target, despite us only registering 12 shots 6 were on target. This tells us that Man U despite having a top level front line were limited by our defence and defensive shape to just a 20% (there or there abouts) accuracy rate. Whereas our percentage of shots on target was 50%. So despite being a really strange game that ended up in a draw thanks to two bizarre goals we were just as potent as Man U where it mattered and excellent at cutting out clear cut opportunities. We also faced 13 corners which we successfully defended which has been a real soft spot of ours, even under Marco. I can completely agree that we can be disappointed in the result but we can’t be overly critical of the tactics or the performance. For me it was always going to be more about the performance today rather than the result because of how many changes we’ve gone through in such a short period of time. To boot we are only a couple of wins away from a completely different outlook.
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- We have given up 83 shots in 5 games that is a major concern and if it isn’t addressed we are going down you can’t allow that many shots to continue and we also have 0 cutting edge Misszalo needs dropping can’t hold the ball up he is properly struggling at this level -- Button, Monday, September 21, 02:05:50am (nmal-23-b2-v4wan-169190-cust1261.vm24.cable.virginm.net/80.5.116.238)
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- Unbeaten in three Brentford. (NT) -- Let Him Troll, Monday, September 21, 02:30:54am (NoHost/31.94.12.140)
- Who is this Misszalo? (NT) -- JoeT, Monday, September 21, 02:49:49am (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
- We created many good chances but failed to take them. If we can be a little more clinical then we will be fine. Its still early days and the team are continuing to improve. I like the new centreback and Josh King continues to shine. Iwobi had a very good game yesterday. Totenham spending 400 million and bottom of the table says it all. Patience and time is needed, personally Im optimistic about our season and like the way we are playing. (NT) -- Alboy, Monday, September 21, 10:20:24am (89-197-213-185.virtual1.co.uk/89.197.213.185)
- Steps -- Eerwah, Monday, September 21, 02:05:14am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/150.228.141.130)
Fully aware squad rebuild required and with in built/learnt distrust for relying on youth besides a pretend DOF, MS opted out. Resulting management merry go around stopped naturally and we have A.A.. Hardly required much work to achieve, contains some rubbing shoulders with R.M. prestige and assumes responsibility for improving squad age therefore hopefully appreciating potential value.
Anyone building anything, soon finds out the only way to proceed is step by step for eventually coming up with any real achievement.
This season, league survival ratio of exceeding one point per fixture needs to be priority target. January window should be viewed for band aid requirements. Initial turbulent period is now behind us and we have two points thankfully granted by some heavenly gesture, three weeks for making up some of disrupted pre season and the opportunity of reaching out to achieve league position recovery over next three fixtures.
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- A couple of things from today... -- Jim©, Monday, September 21, 12:05:12am (host109-158-158-159.range109-158.btcentralplus.com/109.158.158.159)
Firstly, how loud was that chant at martinez, loved it.
Second, how crap was the ref? Surprised he allowed basseys challenge before our goal. But he gave us very little and allowed fernandez and maguire to ref the game. King was fouled and got booked. Maguire threw himself to the ground a few times, most laughably after the unit that is palacios brushed against him.
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- Marco watch -- Greenpole, Sunday, September 20, 11:51:10pm (82-132-234-181.dab.02.net/82.132.234.181)
For anyone interested...
Marco just lost his first classico against Porto 3-1 now already minus 5 to os dragões..
Grass isn't always greener?
In Alvaro we trust.
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- Getting the best out of this team. -- Baden Powell, Sunday, September 20, 11:01:52pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Change of formation maybe ? I don’t know if Garcia could play off a centre forward? Not sure we are getting the best of out him plying a loan trail on his own up front.Certainly Garcia’s workrate is unquestioned.
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- Thought we played well today -- Alboy, Sunday, September 20, 10:54:27pm (host86-184-86-84.range86-184.btcentralplus.com/86.184.86.84)
King and Iwobi were excellent first half. We created some good chances and Bobb definitely should have scored. Second half we finaly scored and were unlucky to concede from a deflected strike. Like the newcentre half pairing and we are not far off being a very good side. The referee was,awful today and gave United far too many decisions. Lots to be optimistic about in my opinion.
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- Although I accept result. For thr first time I’m concerned of our managers lack of impact or connectivity during the game. -- CB one is rarely enough with Fulham, Sunday, September 20, 10:10:56pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
Basic understanding . After going 1-0 up so early you should play as if still 0-0. Ok the shut shop after 80mins maybe?? History and facts proves it.
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- Muniz -- Fulham Steve, Sunday, September 20, 09:26:22pm (05457ee1.skybroadband.com/5.69.126.225)
What do managers see in this guy does my head in.
He runs around like a headless 🐔.
And all the players at the end gave us fans a great applause,Muniz clapped twice and then just walked off totally disrespectful.
Get rid
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- Berge King Charles -- eganonoa, Sunday, September 20, 08:35:02pm (NoHost/172.56.26.72)
We've found the midfield we've long needed. The three of them are perfect compliments for each other. Defensive work rate is excellent from all of them. King and Charles really cover a ton of ground and seem very comfortable on the right. Berge still surprises me how able he is to receive and get the ball out in really tight spots with so many around him. And all three of them are capable of carrying the ball forward and making incisive passes.
After Iwobi's performance today, there should be no question of him moving off his slot on the left anytime soon. 38 passes in 70 minutes, 100% pass success, 5 key passes, while providing really solid cover for Robinson in the fight of his life against Mbueno (and doing so well at it). Very different to when he's played in the middle.
So I really hope we see the Berge King Charles midfield as the first choice one irrespective of opponent. That's a midfield we can build a European-qualification team around.
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- Re: Berge King Charles -- Thin white duke (Smyth), Sunday, September 20, 08:46:55pm (NoHost/46.7.172.116)
- You wasn’t at the game today then! Both suffer from awareness though Charles can be taught. European challenge? Not this season Dear. Bottom half is where this Fulham team will ply there trade this season afraid to say. (NT) -- Gary, Sunday, September 20, 08:56:36pm (host31-127-98-200.range31-127.btcentralplus.com/31.127.98.200)
- Re: Berge King Charles (NT) -- In general disappointing particularly at 1-0 up, Sunday, September 20, 09:20:22pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- I thought Charles grew into the game after being dispossessed too easily several times in the 1st half. He has a real eye for a pass so I would like to see him play higher up the pitch, though I understand our more cautious approach at present after our poor start. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Sunday, September 20, 09:47:38pm (host86-138-164-196.range86-138.btcentralplus.com/86.138.164.196)
- So much deleted off this board -- Ffc, Sunday, September 20, 07:33:56pm (97e1e33c.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.60)
What’s the point of posting
PARKERBALL flashbacks today
AA out …… delete as applicable
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- Arbeloa realise we conceded 29 shots? -- Alex, Sunday, September 20, 07:18:09pm (NoHost/109.79.115.37)
Arbeloa on the referee: "There were so many things for them, you can see it in the foul by [Harry] Maguire. Every decision was for them. I knew after the game against Manchester City that they don't like Manchester United to lose.”
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- I actually thought the same, don’t know why number of shots has anything to do with the ref performance. Every small foul went their way, ref gave Maguire everything and that half pull he did on king happens all the time, never see yellows for a dive. Whilst nothing major happened every single 50/50 call went their way. (NT) -- Henry1879, Sunday, September 20, 07:29:37pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- There’s no such thing as a 50-50 against Man U, just 80-20’s with our 20 being in positions that don’t hurt United. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Sunday, September 20, 07:33:05pm (NoHost/148.252.147.86)
- You won't see this because its miles late, but i'm not sure how your two sentences correlate. You acknowledge the ref gave the majority of decisions uniteds way but don't see how that can influence the number of shots? We can have fouls given against us that can lead to opportunities for our opponents, or, more pertinently, fouls not being given in our favour can lead to opponents having opportunities. Hell, you could argue that their goal came pretty much directly from them getting a foul, (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, September 30, 10:58:57am (NoHost/84.66.1.95)
- Re: Arbeloa realise we conceded 29 shots? (NT) -- Nice little fine coming A A way., Sunday, September 20, 08:38:13pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Happy with that -- Henry1879, Sunday, September 20, 07:16:25pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
Amazing how similar the 2 teams were, tactically very similar and just lacking a bit of confidence with bit of mental scarring from the season so far, Utd after losing to 10 Man City and us after a tough opening few games. Felt like both teams worried about making an error with the ball and worried about being countered that there was a lot of play it safe going on, which is understandable. We are still trying to figure out a balance, was always going to take a bit of time, probably swung a bit too far, from being bit too gung-ho v palace to a bit silva esque overly cautious today, our 2 midfielders barely got past half way. But it’s something to build on, a solid base to keep developing as a team and working out what combinations are going to work and develop relationships. Thought result was fair and actually thought thr subs were fair for last 10. I don’t normally like ceding all momentum by removing most attacking players, but we were offering so little by that stage that I thought I’d reasonable to try and shut up shop and to be fair they didn’t really create anything. We have to do more from set pieces (continuation from silva), we just seem to lack any purpose of imagination, just chuck it in and hope for the best
Individual player wise, big well done to Leno, had a really really good couple of games and moved well to the long shots he faced. Back 4 all did well, but it’s a totally different job with the 2 midfielders in front. Thought iwobi probably our best attacker, Garcia disappointed, but seen plenty of good movement and I’m sure his goals will start flowing when we start playing some weaker teams. Overall though, upwards trajectory, there will be bumps to come, but 3 weeks now to work on the training ground and got some good opportunities for points coming up.
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- This forum is a joke - I also got deleted for saying we pass the ball back too much and can’t score goals, what’s the point in this message board if you can’t satiate your view!! -- Fulham Russ, Sunday, September 20, 07:15:15pm (NoHost/31.94.64.128)
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- Why was my post deleted. -- Hg, Sunday, September 20, 07:11:24pm (NoHost/31.94.72.106)
Am I not allowed to say that I don’t think the youth team coach should be our manager anymore. Surely I’m not the only one who doesn’t want this fraud here anymore. The rate we are going, we will beat derbys record low 11 points for the season.
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- Disappointed but optimistic -- Calm down girls, Sunday, September 20, 07:01:37pm (host109-148-24-58.range109-148.btcentralplus.com/109.148.24.58)
King was knackered when subbed and Kevin for Iwobi seemed a good outlet. I thought we played well overall. Defensively much improved. Concerned about scoring but if someone had said after Palace we would win at WHU and draw at Anfield and with Mancs I would have been delighted.
Four minutes from a win dashed by a cruel deflection.
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- yep agree, shame the Woeisme Cub will tear it to shreds. (NT) -- lovely weather, Sunday, September 20, 07:05:45pm (NoHost/94.8.212.253)
- Managers options off the bench are Muniz who hasnt scored a league goal since august 2025, ESR or Kevin. Pretty hopeless options (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, September 20, 08:17:59pm (NoHost/148.252.133.183)
- We've clearly been very very lucky to come up against Liverpool and now Utd on days they play as bad as they ever have - well according to the press. (NT) -- Harry68, Sunday, September 20, 08:17:59pm (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- Clueless manager, tactically inept, barely any creativity, uninspiring and lucky to get a point - Man Utd must really be regretting appointing Carrick! -- --, Sunday, September 20, 06:56:17pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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- That was a manager feeling the pressure! -- Fulham Si, Sunday, September 20, 06:44:23pm (NoHost/148.252.147.86)
Whether we deserved to be in front or not we were! I’m not saying that going 5 at the back was the right thing but you can understand why he wanted to try and protect the result. Man U scored our goal and there’s was a massive deflection. Hard to be too upset unfortunately.
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- We saw Marco set up defensively to hold on to a one goal lead and fail , also Tuchel, so we try it again and fail -- White Eagle, Sunday, September 20, 06:37:22pm (host86-165-165-12.range86-165.btcentralplus.com/86.165.165.12)
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- The biggest question from that half is -- Ffc, Sunday, September 20, 05:16:44pm (97e1e33c.skybroadband.com/151.225.227.60)
How the f**k does Marcus Rashford get in the England squad
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- Clarkey has left the building at Hartlepools... -- Rupert, Sunday, September 20, 10:02:11am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
Wouldn't mind him in our midfield today... legend.
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- Could you Adam & Eve it! -- FE43, Sunday, September 20, 09:48:23am (host-78-148-25-149.as13285.net/78.148.25.149)
Chris Kavanagh has been given the priviledge of awarding Man Utd the 3 points today.
How corrupt is the PGMOL. I always thought the referee should come from a nuetral region of the country, but no , they give it to a Mancunian, to recompence for their VAR officials cock -up against L'Pool game last week.
Prediction at least 2 penalties against us with 2 sending offs and we will be going into the international break holding up the Premier League table.
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- New Broom -- Eerwah, Sunday, September 20, 06:48:49am (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
This season, the international break is a blessing. Pre season was disrupted. Anfield showing confirms potential. So did opening match. Whatever happens hosting Man.U., obvious needs of coordinating transition, who marks who, set piece creativity and much more requires sorting.
Premiership is distinguished from all other leagues by the measure of applied intensity. Most of recently arrived new faces have little experience of this fact.
This season can be regarded as mostly a settling in process leaving only two or three significant squad changes before meaningful challenges.
There will be times when AA and ownership will be under much doubt and pressure. The reality is that an aged squad is being revamped with mostly rising stars from outside the Premiership. This will require much more than theoretical ideas of formation for achieving results.
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- I'm hoping we can do a Brighton tomorrow ( can you believe that!!} That's where we would all hope to be. -- CB, Saturday, September 19, 06:08:02pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
Incredible, with all our history, we have never really threatened the top at any stage. But we could- maybe not this season, but next.
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- Tubes tomorrow -- .., Saturday, September 19, 05:38:22pm (host86-157-73-36.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.73.36)
According to tfl, Barons Court is closed tomorrow, and there is no District Line between Earl's Court and Ealing Broadway or Richmond.
There is no Piccadilly Line between Hyde Park Corner and Acton Town.
I'm trying to get my head round what's left. Time to check with tfl if anything at all is moving via Hammersmith.
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- How do they do it? -- FE43, Saturday, September 19, 04:34:07pm (host-78-148-25-149.as13285.net/78.148.25.149)
Brighton are humiliating Arsenal at this moment of time, with a team of relative unknown players costing very little in comparison to those who play for Chelsea, Arsenal and L'Pool.
Brighton have been a feeder club for Chelsea, L'Pool and others, yet they still find quality players at reasonably low cost. How do they do it?
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- Incredible. And Pascal Gross is a wonderful player. (NT) -- GA, Saturday, September 19, 04:40:42pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- Think Rasputin might have been reincarnated as Tony Bloom. (NT) -- Funny we are their only bogey club!, Saturday, September 19, 05:04:59pm (82-132-233-240.dab.02.net/82.132.233.240)
- Their squad according to transfermarkt isn't cheap (£605m), they've spent £460m the last two seasons according to transfermarkt. Hardly costing nothing. (NT) -- Jim©, Saturday, September 19, 05:36:08pm (94.197.101.229.threembb.co.uk/94.197.101.229)
- Finished 1 point ahead of last season and lots of their fans wanted hurzeler sacked midway through the season. Had some poor signings last couple of seasons too, but they seem to be disregarded as it’s almost sacrilege to talk negatively about bloom or BHA. (NT) -- Henry1879, Saturday, September 19, 05:52:22pm (82-132-222-188.dab.02.net/82.132.222.188)
- "...relative(ly) unknown players." is a key point according to the Seagulls fans I spoke to after the game whose view is that it's difficult to devise a strategy to nullify players you know nothing about, at least at this stage of the season. Arguably we're in a similar position in terms of personnel. (NT) -- FFC in Brighton, Saturday, September 19, 10:16:24pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- They have one of the biggest matchday revenues in the league. Little known fact. People think of them as little Brighton but they aren't the same as Bournemouth or Brentford (NT) -- Super Fanny, Sunday, September 20, 12:45:23am (82-71-26-54.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/82.71.26.54)
- Great scouting is giving them huge profits on what they sell then able to re invest. We are signing rubbish like Kevin/ESR who are going to be sold at a loss (NT) -- Waterboy, Sunday, September 20, 09:20:02am (NoHost/84.67.212.236)
- We always seem to beat them. (NT) -- Rupert, Sunday, September 20, 09:42:21am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- 0-6 half time Southend today -- Old Old Timer, Saturday, September 19, 04:09:53pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Can recall( think I’m right) 6-0 up against Leyton Orient at half time? Mitchell & Maybank.
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- Bobby Moore,s last home game. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Saturday, September 19, 04:12:52pm (NoHost/31.94.74.236)
- Re: 0-6 half time Southend today (NT) -- Blackburn away last?, Saturday, September 19, 04:31:04pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Our game and Southend's both finished 6-1 (NT) -- Observer, Saturday, September 19, 05:15:10pm (NoHost/90.202.14.192)
- Re: 0-6 half time Southend today (NT) -- Was it Mitchell 4 Maybank 2 ?, Saturday, September 19, 06:32:00pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Yep, 6 - 0 at half time back in the day with John Jackson wondering why every shot we took hit the back of his net. Mitchell and Maybank (who now sands floorboards in Sussex) were the goalscorers. (Can't recall how many each got.) Remember Diddy saying at HT that we could potentially surpass our 10 - 1 result vs Ipswich only for the oppo to win the second half 1 - 0. Fulhamish ? (NT) -- FFC in Brighton, Saturday, September 19, 10:31:44pm (NoHost/2.120.137.10)
- Average age & time with the club -- eganonoa, Saturday, September 19, 11:46:35am (NoHost/172.56.166.224)
Take a look at the graphic in the article about Spurs:
www.theguardian.com/football/2026/sep/18/injuries-team-changes-and-arduous-tours-why-tottenham-are-misfiring
Seven teams have played with an average age greater than ours so far this season. At the same time we're right in the .middle of the pack in terms of average time with the club of the players we have fielded.
We've done a great job progressively reducing the age of our squad over the last three years or so, a nice blend of youth, experience and time together.
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- Man Utd - Spare -- Dan, Saturday, September 19, 11:31:15am (NoHost/148.252.146.140)
One adult spare going for tomorrow - JH Block B; £60
Leave email if interested - can transfer to one Fulham account online
Cheers
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- Ipswich Away -- Fulham Away, Saturday, September 19, 11:22:15am (NoHost/83.106.88.97)
A bit late to the party but did we take the full 3,000 tickets for Ipswich? They have all seemed to have gone in a couple of days and I have missed out on a couple
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- Ipswich Town Away -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Saturday, September 19, 10:47:12am (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
Tickets now completely sold out, Tickets moved as quickly as they would do with say, Bournemouth, QPR and Brentford,
For those of you going, I'll see you there.
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- Mods! -- Fulham Si, Saturday, September 19, 08:16:44am (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Assuming you are the providers of this forum and the Mods, thank you for what you do. This forum provides (in the most part) an opportunity for Fulham fans to get together to discuss and debate and you’ve provided this without subscription charges or annoying ads, so in essence you do this for free and I appreciate it. So I’m not digging at you when I ask this, but why remove certain responses to posts or peoples comments because they may be a little disrespectful but keep the insulting comments or snide remarks up that incited the response?
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- Si, I have been ‘retired ‘ for 15 years and busier now than ever. Apart from my eBay shop as a jack of all trades still do everything maintaining the house and garden, cars etc. You claim to be semi retired but have been posting more than ever recently. Often repeating yourself or what others have posted. So much they lose credibility. This post for instance is unnecessary. Do some gardening or painting satisfying and good for the soul. (NT) -- CB, Saturday, September 19, 09:25:07am (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- The Mods are a huge part of the problem! they have been advised time after time how to get rid off known trolling addresses but for their own reasons choose not to! (NT) -- BAN ns*.ip*.net and host*.as*.net, Sunday, September 20, 12:23:39am (unn-84-17-50-201.cdn77.com/84.17.50.201)
- Si, the worst thing you can do is yield to the victimisation of people, particularly cowards who weaponise their insecurities to anonymously target people who undermine their fragile ego's by simply having a different opinion. This is a football board and you're being criticised for using it for it's designed purpose. You've done nothing wrong except cross paths with a cantankerous mean spirited vindictive narcissist who has historic form for this type of behaviour. Don't back down mate. (NT) -- Samuel, Sunday, September 20, 12:12:50pm (NoHost/83.104.32.41)
- Intense -- Eerwah, Friday, September 18, 11:28:57pm (NoHost/179.65.161.21)
On the strength of past couple of matches, general expectation here and other fan base comment is that we will obtain all the points on Sunday. Good to see A.A. starting to earn a degree of respect, however, overcoming the wealth of Man.U abilities at C.C. is unlikely to happen at this point in time.
Granted that A.A. has some R.M. record of big match management pedigree. But this fixture has come far too soon in a demanding process of rebuilding our ageing premiership squad with mostly younger overseas experience.
Intensity, five subs, intensity, superb pitch, intensity, crowd back up, intensity, modest change rooms and want to achieve by going forward mentality that MS seemed reluctant to apply might help.
Some form of VAR facility understanding to be even handed will no doubt greatly assist. COYW
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- Intensity, five subs, intensity, superb pitch, intensity, crowd back up, intensity, modest change rooms (NT) -- Not for me Clive, Saturday, September 19, 06:03:00am (NoHost/131.117.190.58)
- Pity. Serves the Bees well. (NT) -- Eerwah, Saturday, September 19, 07:41:39am (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
- Josh King in England U21s squad... -- --, Friday, September 18, 05:45:37pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
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- Palacios and Angel -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Friday, September 18, 04:32:36pm (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
Not even called up to the Spanish U21 squad, this would suggest they are miles away from playing Premier League football on a regular basis,
We've looked much better with Iwobi in place of Palacios though Palacios looked OK against West Ham reserves, despite an awful miss at the end which could have proved costly.
Would anyone on here drop Iwobi for Palacios against United on Sunday ?
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- Not currently, because against Manyoo you need some experience and a cool head, which is what Iwobi provides. Palacios would be a superb impact sub on 70 mins for King. I think I'd rather see him get 20-25 mins than ESR. (NT) -- Fkev, Friday, September 18, 04:39:05pm (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
- I would also start with Iwobi at least for his experience and defensive cover contributions ; plus I feel Palacios perhaps more influential off the bench . But who starts out from Castagne and Tete ? I anticipate the former for now . Certainly Is a winnable game assuming we can get at them and their ‘better’ players don’t produce any game changing moments . We certainly have the pace and intensity to make this happen (NT) -- Mickey, Friday, September 18, 04:41:22pm (NoHost/82.132.228.8)
- Don’t know anything about Angel but a little harsh a take in Palacios tbf! West Ham played with Kyle walker Peters at the back with Mavrapanos and Kilman at centre back. Last season they were premier league Centrebacks and Palacios had them on toast at times. So that wasn’t an ok performance against a lower league defence in real terms he was in fact impressive against something like £50m worth of central defenders. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Friday, September 18, 04:51:33pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- I'm not a fan of Iwobi but prefer him to Palacios. (NT) -- old codger, Friday, September 18, 05:12:55pm (NoHost/85.203.46.178)
- hahah they are 22 years old so why woould they be playing u21 football? (NT) -- dddddddddddddddddd, Friday, September 18, 05:59:49pm (static-101.32.141.95.seflow.net/95.141.32.101)
- Re: Palacios and Angel Why di you think thats relevant? Palacios had his best game and Angel after a slow start played very well. I would say they have great potential di not care a jot about being selected for their International teams. (NT) -- Alboy, Friday, September 18, 09:59:28pm (host86-184-86-84.range86-184.btcentralplus.com/86.184.86.84)
- You can do everything right and still lose football matches! -- Fulham Si, Friday, September 18, 04:07:22pm (NoHost/85.255.236.250)
But reading AA’s presser ahead of our weekend fixture it all reads like we are setting up the same way as we did against Liverpool. I definitely feel this is a winnable game and tactically AA recognises the Man U frontline threat and that we need to be cautious of that. It’s all boding very well for Sunday. If we don’t win but keep tight and balanced and play well then I can start to see where the points will come from with plenty of the season to play.
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- Josh King -- Gary Elkins Shin Pad, Friday, September 18, 10:11:48am (218.62.200.146.dyn.plus.net/146.200.62.218)
Not included in the England squad.
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- Can't believe that! He's playing brilliantly at the moment! (NT) -- --, Friday, September 18, 10:38:27am (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- This is fine, there are some very good players ahead of him in the squad. I think he has a real chance to break in there but he will need an extended run of sparkling form to get picked (NT) -- Jungle J, Friday, September 18, 10:43:10am (cpc124440-croy27-2-0-cust52.19-2.cable.virginm.net/77.101.86.53)
- He'll be in there eventually. Just needs to transfer to an accepted club and he'll be straight in, a la Saha. (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, September 18, 11:11:52am (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- He would have certainly been in the managers mind so if he keeps performing like he is he'll get a chance before too long. Be great if he stays with us for a few seasons and cements himself as a top level performer before the big clubs start tempting him. (NT) -- Harry68, Friday, September 18, 11:27:08am (cpc160099-nmal26-2-0-cust805.19-2.cable.virginm.net/82.18.163.38)
- His progress is because he remained with us, bright lad with the right people behind him... he will go to a 'big' club at some stage, but we all know he is at the best club already. (NT) -- Rupert, Friday, September 18, 12:01:41pm (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Totally predictable.See the Liverpool lad got in.Hmmmm.Not entirely displeased though.Can only be a matter of tie. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, September 18, 12:39:47pm (NoHost/31.94.12.245)
- I believe that TT has personally spoken to Josh and told him that he is very much in his thoughts and there is every possibility, if he keeps working hard, that he will be included in the squad for the next international break. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, September 18, 12:47:42pm (host86-135-180-130.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.180.130)
- Neither are Morgan Gibbs White or Adam Wharton. Figure that one out. (NT) -- GA, Friday, September 18, 02:48:57pm (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- Up against Rogers, Bellingham and now an in form palmer with also MGW and even foden all playing in similar role. Gonna take more than 4 games to get past that lot, but all he can do is keep playing well and adding more goals and assists to his tally. Unfortunately for Josh he’s bit of a one position player at the moment and can’t see him ever being effective out wide. (NT) -- Henry1879, Friday, September 18, 05:26:34pm (NoHost/82.132.220.130)
- Our Midfield -- Baden Powell., Friday, September 18, 09:56:30am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Berge and Charles will surely be the foundation of the team this season imo (particularly away from home)giving Charles the freedom to venture into a more advanced role when possible I think the rest of the Midfielders will compete for places.
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- Re: Our Midfield. Disagree. Start with the better skilled central pairing of Larrson and Mami (angel). get in front then bring on the two (you name) more defensive bigger bodied players. To close out games. (NT) -- game of two halves, Friday, September 18, 10:04:13am (NoHost/185.136.159.181)
- Re: Our Midfield (NT) -- It’s a game of opinions (Brian), Friday, September 18, 10:50:12am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Dont think either will help the goals tally, larsson has better stats for goals (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, September 18, 02:14:30pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- Should we win against Man U at the weekend, -- Fulham Si, Friday, September 18, 09:02:44am (NoHost/148.252.133.141)
And the inevitable pile on from some, along the lines of “Bed wetting” or “knee jerk reaction” commence it’s worth considering a little context. The appointment of AA was widely regarded as a risky move. Despite being an excellent player at the very top of his game AA was a very inexperienced manager with only youth management and a brief spell as interim manager at a top European club that really didn’t go well in terms of results or (according to reports) off the pitch either. Coming from a team within a league where the gulf in difference between his squad and that of the majority of the league was immense where a full out attack wasn’t such a risk, yet still his results weren’t good enough which helped towards him getting the push. He then had preseason games with us that failed to provide much optimism but to be fair were just games to evaluate players so not crucial in any way. And then three games that were at times farcical at the back and as we could all see despite the fixture list on paper we could have in my opinion taken 5 points from. This left a real sense of is going from a pedestrian, often frustrating yet reassuring sense of safety to a high chance of relegation judging by the early signs. Then add in media reports of AA stating he’s carrying on with that approach this season looked destined to return to the craziness that was pre Marco. Now having said all that I feel many doubters and definitely myself saw real signs of something exciting emerging after the Liverpool game. Granted it was just one game but something to build confidence in that AA could and would adapt and regain a more balanced team. I certainly don’t have an anti AA agenda and do actually have post Liverpool a real sense of optimism that we can survive and do so playing a far more attractive brand of football. So before the digs start, should we win, a little context should be applied.
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- Agree with most of this. Who cares if "the appointment of AA was widely regarded as a risky move"? Most football fans get their views from Jamie Carragher, Gary Neville or Talksport. Only takes three people to have a view and football fans jump aboard the train. Anyone with deeper knowledge of Fulham FC and who actually watches their games is feeling a lot more optimistic. In Silva's first season in the prem, we started as second favourites to go down. What MOST PEOPLE think is irrelevant... (NT) -- --, Friday, September 18, 09:18:02am (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- Your optimism now is where I was before the Liverpool game. I could see we just needed the right players and to have the squad buying into new ideas and change. I think there is now more pressure on Carrick after the midweek home loss to Brighton and if we start well and their fans turn we could get more than just a draw and be chanting “you’re getting fcuked on the telly” to the away end. COYSW (NT) -- Mumbles, Friday, September 18, 09:24:36am (NoHost/90.200.222.173)
- We have been unlucky against them last 3 games, theyve won by the odd goal when playing poorly. Think pressure on both managers to find a win could end in a more entertaining game than last time (NT) -- Waterboy, Friday, September 18, 09:40:47am (NoHost/84.67.212.236)
- It wasn't just good away at Liverpool. We looked good for 30 mins spells in the other games too, just with glaring gaps in defence. We had a superb chance to equalise against the filth and could have so easily have beaten Palace, if only he'd selected Berge/Charles as the midfield 2 (NT) -- Fkev, Friday, September 18, 09:46:50am (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
- Looks Like -- Eerwah, Friday, September 18, 12:17:04am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/206.83.123.88)
Winner of prestige awards and rightly sent off at Craven Cottage Fabio Cannavaro is not quite a 176cm giant. Many great centre backs lack height while controlling by positional sense and ability to achieve jumping height containing split second ariel dominance. Affengruber displayed interesting early qualities at Anfield.The most interesting being much needed mobility that is lacking of Anderesn since middle part of last season.
E.S.R. continues to display little bright sparks of ability that rapidly fade away. Defensivly marking Spam's big man from meters away for an overhead ball must mean he is mentally or emotionally not quite in the right place with himself.
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- We only have to look back, although a fair way, to our very own Paul Parker who, at 5ft 7ins, had a great career. After leaving us he went on to play over 100 games for our opponents on Sunday and represented England for several years. For a man of his height, he had a tremendous leap, often outjumping opponents of over 6ft with ease. I can remember him starting as a right back but then moving to partner Tony Gale in the middle. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, September 18, 07:35:54am (host86-135-180-130.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.180.130)
- Ability for fractions of a second to hang at the top of perhaps opponent aided leap is an art form of successful shorter stature centre backs. (NT) -- Eerwah, Friday, September 18, 08:02:27am (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
- Its not a trend though, is it? Its not a case of small players are always as good as big ones when playing as centreback - its just we're picking out a couple of very extreme examples that have occurred in the last 40 years. Most of the time if you line up with a pair of 5'10 centrebacks you're going to be at a big disadvantage. So yes, small doesn't mean useless, but as a centreback it generally counts against you. Bassey and Affengruber are both over 6 foot though so not really an issue for us (NT) -- Same Old Story, Friday, September 18, 10:08:43am (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- If height wasn’t a massive differential then we would see far more shorter defenders. Having said that in the modern game a defenders much more than being a big lump. Good feet, progressive passing, beating the first line if the opposition press are all needed. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Friday, September 18, 12:14:43pm (NoHost/85.255.236.250)
- Long live affengruber -- Thofokoz, Thursday, September 17, 08:35:15pm (NoHost/82.132.234.174)
Bournemouth 2-0 up already. Sunderland won. Palace 2-0 up. Not one to look back that often but I will never ever ever forgive the dismal Dane for that lunge Vs Bournemouth just before HT. Those 3 points cost us a place in Europe.
Rant over.
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- Seeing those three names are playing in Europe does make me feel a bit sick actually. Stupid of Andersen of course but there were a hundred reasons we didn't quite make it. (NT) -- Travelex, Thursday, September 17, 08:58:08pm (host86-157-159-168.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.159.168)
- Quite fond of bournemouth probably fanbase most similar to ours - good people, good story - hope they can have a good run and see no reason they can't. Ironically maybe Marco Silva's benfica could also break Bela Guttman 100 year curse for Benfica? (NT) -- Greenpole, Thursday, September 17, 09:06:08pm (NoHost/82.132.234.174)
- Apart from being horrified in the first three games at our defensive tactics AA is right in as much as under Marco we were too risk adverse in attack that inevitably cost us winnable games. Marco will always have my respect for stabilising us as a club after years of uncertainty, inconsistency and underachievement. Marco was the right man at the right time but arguably took us as far as he could. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Thursday, September 17, 10:34:31pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Re: Long live affengruber (NT) -- We didn’t need Europe this season., Friday, September 18, 09:47:44am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Predictions for the weekend. -- Fulham Si, Thursday, September 17, 05:45:02pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Even keeping it tight at the back I’ll think we will concede but reckon with Man U’s defence not being too sound we will beat them 2-1. I’m not sure it will be a comfortable watch but I do think we will edge it.
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- The EPL,FA,Pro ref(PGMOL),REFs & VAR won't let us get anything. (NT) -- FlitwickFulham, Thursday, September 17, 06:30:58pm (NoHost/157.125.58.206)
- Stupid me Flitwick! I was banking on a fair fight. You could be right a couple of contentious decisions, the sort the pundits “debate” and a deserved 3 points disappear. Based on a fair fight I think we’d win 2-1. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Thursday, September 17, 06:41:53pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Peter Bankes, the ref for Sunday's game, is also from the North West but could well be from Liverpool area. However, of course, Chris Kavanagh is involved as the fourth official. If Marco was still here, he would have been odds on to get a yellow card, or even red. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, September 18, 07:46:16am (host86-135-180-130.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.180.130)
- Dave Kidd calling Fulham players "dwarves" on his Saturday White Fever website... -- --, Thursday, September 17, 02:42:48pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
Thought he was a Fulham fan? Seems a bit harsh/dismissive...
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- He should be the bigger man and remove it (NT) -- Wahey, Thursday, September 17, 02:45:57pm (NoHost/161.12.62.42)
- Definitely needs to be cancelled for having an opinion (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, September 17, 04:35:06pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- Once a tabloid journalist... (NT) -- Travelex, Thursday, September 17, 04:39:40pm (host86-157-159-168.range86-157.btcentralplus.com/86.157.159.168)
- Re: Dave Kidd calling Fulham players "dwarves" on his Saturday White Fever website... (NT) -- Just small talk., Thursday, September 17, 04:47:28pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Inflation is rife and Harrison Reed's at 5ft 9 (widely reported) defo subject to it (NT) -- Superfly, Thursday, September 17, 05:55:23pm (host86-166-110-226.range86-166.btcentralplus.com/86.166.110.226)
- If he had used the word 'diminutive' he might have got that job at the Guardian. And Tbf, I'd be fed up if I was in their size 6 shoes. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Thursday, September 17, 06:03:55pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- To my many “no name” critics -- Fulham Si, Thursday, September 17, 01:23:54pm (NoHost/148.252.133.141)
Sorry my posts upset you so much (not really), as for getting a job I’m lucky enough to have just turned 51 and pretty much retire. That could happen for you too when you leave school and start working hard! As for me being a troll, I’ve posted under one name on here for 10 years even when I know I might get flack so definitely not the traits of a troll. So by all means continue throwing your insults my way as I know it makes you feel really really brave to hide behind your keyboard and plethora of single use names and I’ll save my respect for the real posters on here that may or may not agree with me but regardless choose to conduct themselves as an adult!
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- "I'm not rattled, I'll save my respect for real posters" - he says after making an entire post dedicated to the "trolls". Do something better with your retirement mate. See the world. Touch some grass. (NT) -- Embarrassing, Thursday, September 17, 01:54:58pm (brnt-06-b2-v4wan-169764-cust3300.vm7.cable.virginm.net/81.101.124.229)
- Si, you're attracting the attention of these people because you emotionally respond. It only fuels and encourages their behaviour. Just continue posting your opinions and ignore them - it's the kindest thing you can do. The reason I mentioned "Kindest" is because one or two of your detractors are spiteful narcissists and that's a personality disorder which can never be reasoned with. It will just antagonise their obsessiveness. You're helping them by not reacting. (NT) -- Samuel, Thursday, September 17, 02:21:03pm (NoHost/83.104.32.41)
- I know you are right Samuel, you just get dragged in and end up dropping to their level, equivalent to pond scum! Thanks though Bud! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Thursday, September 17, 02:27:12pm (NoHost/148.252.133.141)
- Totally agree with Samuel , Si. The more you push back the more they will come at you , the gutless cowards that they are . Take heart from the fact that what most ( though not all ) posters say on here they would have no trouble saying it to the recipient’s face ; though I’d be less confident at applying this to those whose only purpose here seems to be to get personal in challenging views about which they disagree . (NT) -- Mickey, Thursday, September 17, 02:32:26pm (82-132-213-113.dab.02.net/82.132.213.113)
- Let it go mate.I’m78 and don’t give a flying fcuk what anyone thinks about my views.I was super sensitive for most of my life but have gradually learned to just shrug it off. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, September 17, 02:44:15pm (NoHost/31.94.12.245)
- Re: To my many “no name” critics….there aren’t as many as you think. The same few losers who use multiple handles. Strange behaviour innit. Don’t let the weirdos get you down. (NT) -- Bad Boy, Thursday, September 17, 04:26:26pm (NoHost/176.251.247.122)
- I've never been bothered about your messages but the fact you feel the need to come on here and try and pretend you're superior to everyone because you've made a bit of money pretty much sums up what type of person you are. And by doing that it obviously really matters to you and you are super sensitive to what people think of you. HemelRog has the right approach but that takes confidence and intelligence. -- Desperate Dan, Thursday, September 17, 10:07:18pm (NoHost/95.214.185.37)
- I tend to use the other Fulham site for exact reason that you get less trolls who can post under different names just to annoy likeminded folk who all share the same passion (Fulham). It’s the sort of thing I’d join a Chelsea board too to not here amongst our own. Ignore them Si. (NT) -- Mumbles, Thursday, September 17, 11:53:24pm (NoHost/90.200.222.173)
- big moment for Garcia? and Kinga POST WORLD CUP? -- FST loyalist, Thursday, September 17, 12:32:43pm (NoHost/185.136.159.181)
he missed out on the Spainish World Cup squad
and part of the reason for him moving to the Premier League
is to get back into the Spainish team.
So with Call Ups made imminetly. His movitation will be tested
Espcially with his 'replacement' at Real scoring freely!!
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- Official Site down? -- Same Old Story, Thursday, September 17, 12:04:11pm (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
Trying to get some tickets - but the website coming back with an error for me. I've put it into onlineornot.com and its failing on every location so i assume its down but wanted to check as i've not seen anyone commenting on it on twitter, facebook etc which seems a bit strange if the entire site is currently down.
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- When trying to logon, it advise me there's a typo in fulhamfc.com (NT) -- Beano Reader, Thursday, September 17, 12:06:57pm (82-132-232-178.dab.02.net/82.132.232.178)
- Fulham twitter account says there are problems with the website - has been down since before 7am... (NT) -- --, Thursday, September 17, 12:09:18pm (NoHost/90.204.91.94)
- Same for me, if you try enquiries@ James is pretty helpful. I'm still waiting for my friend to be sent their Utd ticket (NT) -- Waterboy, Thursday, September 17, 12:09:35pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- Same. Thought it was just me. (NT) -- Wolfie Smith, Thursday, September 17, 12:30:07pm (host81-157-59-130.range81-157.btcentralplus.com/81.157.59.130)
- Following on from the very good post below about something great starting at Fulham, interest in the club is continuing to go through the roof. -- Rupert, Thursday, September 17, 11:56:05am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
One You Tube package from the other night has had 228,000 views, another 335,000... who knows what the overall figure is if you count them all up. I am not advocating a finishing school for Real, but the unofficial link has its benefits. AA must now be given the time to make this project work. We can't just rip it up and start all over again, whatever happens.
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- Managed Style -- Eerwah, Thursday, September 17, 11:53:27am (116-251-29-183.pool.activ8me.net.au/116.251.29.183)
Forward run in sync with through ball served towards favoured side, mazy control along lunging bodies for timely release appear to be results of intense coaching unlike loose defensive approach twice forfeiting the lead that can be put down as matters relating to lack of mental awareness requiring personal wake up call for a manager to rectify at a risk of creating abrasive relationships.
High wing backs, two defensive mids, active press, marking designated opponent within specific zone and much more are part of specific match day needs and individual instructions needing to be followed.
AA’s tactical creativity is suited to a younger squad, but requiring nurturing skills that need time to develop unlike MS who relied on experience and much preparation to achieve familiarity.
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- Reece James issue with Josh ? -- -, Thursday, September 17, 11:49:01am (host31-50-55-75.range31-50.btcentralplus.com/31.50.55.75)
Just got around to watching the recording of the Chelsea game. Seeing it live at the ground at the time I could not understand what James's issue was with Josh in the second half. Watching the recording I could still not see what provoked the response. Just looked like a clear foul worthy of a yellow card. Don't know if Josh had said something at the time or earlier. Maybe it was something to do with when Josh was training with the England team prior to the World cup. Did I miss something in the game or does anyone know anything more on this ? Sorry it's a bit after the game.
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- I thought similar, remember thinking, what a prick, trying to be all, I’m the senior pro here and bully him, was nailed on yellow. Normally like James too, class player. One of my pet hates, footballers who act sanctimonious, when his own team mates include cucurella (until recently) and enzo at the time. Saw it wirh Maguire at weekend, getting arsey with enzo whilst Bruno had been rolling around an hour earlier. I don’t recall any issues earlier in the game either, king seems pretty chill. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, September 17, 01:05:54pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Re: Reece James issue with Josh ? (NT) -- James and King had a embrace and chat after match, Thursday, September 17, 03:23:42pm (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- Man Utd Sunday -- Baden Powell., Thursday, September 17, 09:14:32am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Great time to play them? or a wounded animal?
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- The first one. Pressure is on Carrick for sure. Perfect time to play them IMO (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, September 17, 09:17:57am (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
- In fact, since last night, Betvictor have cut Carrick from 9-1 to 2-1 for next manager to be sacked. Shorter than AA now, who was the previous favourite (NT) -- Fkev, Thursday, September 17, 10:18:01am (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
- Biggest worry is Howard Webb ordering a balance redress after goal last week, after the PR machine skilfully avoided the fact Rat Face should have walked. (NT) -- Rupert, Thursday, September 17, 11:37:54am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Fulham v Palace. 3 London sides in a row -- JoeT, Wednesday, September 16, 10:34:36pm (cpc96906-walt25-2-0-cust362.13-2.cable.virginm.net/82.13.233.107)
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- Bloody Palace at home. -- Spozzie, Wednesday, September 16, 10:34:34pm (NoHost/73.182.157.97)
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- Palace at home -- Kenny, Wednesday, September 16, 10:34:34pm (NoHost/187.13.133.181)
Our absolute bogey team - but a great chance to avenge many recent defeats at the Cottage
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- 21 years now since a home win (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, September 16, 10:44:41pm (NoHost/84.67.212.236)
- We definitely owe them a bloody nose (in football terms) fingers crossed it’s our time! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 10:45:09pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Re: Palace at home (NT) -- I Remember a 1-0 I think the Horse scored., Thursday, September 17, 08:43:00am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- I remember a 3-1 home win and the great Bobby Moore scored. (NT) -- Hammersmithender, Thursday, September 17, 11:17:31am (NoHost/31.94.12.28)
- We're actually still ahead 19-18 in the match history. We mostly used to beat them, until it reversed in recent years. Hopefully, they will be returning where they belong, soon. (NT) -- Rupert, Thursday, September 17, 11:43:05am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- We beat them in the Tigana season (3-1 midweek, could have scored about 15!, which was my now wifes first ever game!), and 3-1 in 2004/5. Looking back - until the last 5 (L4 D1) we had actually only lost 5 in the previous 30 games against them so this recent trend is very much against the run of play, as it were (NT) -- Same Old Story, Thursday, September 17, 12:09:37pm (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- They just became an excellent away team under glasner, brilliantly set up deep with their 3 CBs and counter attack with pace, think they beat Man City twice at etihad and obviously brilliant at one off knock out games. Feel they’ve gone backwards though and the game this season we really should have won so I’m happy with the draw, given at least 4 potential winners will be out if we go through. (NT) -- Henry1879, Thursday, September 17, 08:08:30pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- I can remember August 2018, our first game back in the Premier League, after our play-off triumph over Villa. Managed by Roy, they played their normal counter attacking game and despite us having all the possession they scored a goal at the end of each half and us fans, coming away from the Cottage, knew we were in for a long hard season which, indeed, proved to be the case. (NT) -- Mike T, Friday, September 18, 08:14:41am (host86-135-180-130.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.180.130)
- Without stating the bleeding obvious the two main reasons a forward doesn’t score is either he’s not very good at it or he simply doesn’t take enough shots. -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 10:31:32pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
Bobb definitely falls into the category of not shooting anywhere near enough. His lack of goals have been a real issue because as a starting winger we need him scoring, especially as he occupies a position where those before him did. I’m hoping that after scoring against West Ham he gets a taste for it and/or AA actively encourages him to take more shots on rather than just acting as a supply for others. If he can provide a sufficient goal return and Iwobi or Palacios can do the same on the left then there’s plenty of goals in this attack. I would say secondary to keeping it solid at the back Bobb ramping up the goals Would be the biggest breakthrough for this team.
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- His career stats prior to him signing were awful, something like 4 in 48. Have to wonder why Khan likes this Kevin style profile of player whos effectively acheived nothing prior to signing (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, September 16, 10:48:06pm (NoHost/84.67.212.236)
- Mainly because his shots tend to be hopeless daisy cutters. Basically he turns into Sander Berge when he has sight of goal. (NT) -- HE, Thursday, September 17, 10:13:14am (customer.lndngbr1.isp.starlink.com/217.142.21.90)
- Very skilful but not a natural finisher, whereas Sess is.... (NT) -- Rupert, Thursday, September 17, 11:44:35am (NoHost/94.15.213.82)
- Airfix -- Surrey Bob, Wednesday, September 16, 03:36:17pm (unn-195-86-1-40.datapacket.com/195.86.1.40)
The guy with the drum, does he still go to games or post on here?
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- Do we know whether Muniz had a previous career before football? -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 01:18:08pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
I like the lad and do believe there’s potentially something there. The only reason I ask about previous careers is for a big strong lad he sure likes to dramatically throw himself to the ground every opportunity he gets like he’s been shot by a sniper on the roof! Just curious to know if he started out as a stuntman?
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- Like most premiership strikers, why the snidey post (NT) -- another troll, Wednesday, September 16, 01:22:06pm (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
- Wow what a strange post. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, September 16, 02:00:10pm (NoHost/31.94.74.98)
- Do we know what Fulham Si did before he became full time on here? (NT) -- Prolific poster/troll, Wednesday, September 16, 02:13:48pm (185-132-134-77.hosted-by-worldstream.net/185.132.134.77)
- Actually was meant as a lighthearted way of pointing out the obvious. He dices with more regularity and with much more drama than most! As for being a troll try using your normal names before you accuse others of being a troll! The irony is just too numerous for words! (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 02:45:41pm (NoHost/148.252.132.94)
- Get off the sniff (NT) -- Call /out, Wednesday, September 16, 04:34:52pm (NoHost/207.194.238.74)
- Ok I'll jump aboard. Schoolboy? Although I think he looks like a classic villain for the movies. Maybe a Bond film? But depends how long his 'soccer' career lasts? (NT) -- CB :) Lifes so serious now. Never used to be, Wednesday, September 16, 06:29:48pm (213-18-178-103.customer.gigaclear.net/213.18.178.103)
- Re: Do we know whether Muniz had a previous career before football? -- MickTheBeard, Wednesday, September 16, 08:09:06pm (lewi-30-b2-v4wan-171487-cust1927.vm4.cable.virginm.net/80.192.31.136)
- How am I feeling right now? -- The Drobe, Wednesday, September 16, 01:06:49pm (host86-186-56-238.range86-186.btcentralplus.com/86.186.56.238)
Despite being in the bottom 3, winless and likely to stay the same going into the international break I think we might be witnessing the start of something great at Fulham. I am looking forward to watching us this season, more than I ever did under Silva.
The summer signings have added quality, depth and youth to the squad and for the first time ever there will PL level players not making the matchday squad.
Last night we dealt with West Ham in a way that would never have happened under Silva. Whilst the defensive weaknesses were still evident if AA can address this and we can avoid injuries to key defenders we will be fine.
So lets be patient, even if it doesn't go our way at the weekend. I'm confident we will move up the table. We have a top 10 squad and its a long season.
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- If AA carries on setting us up correctly and deals with the evident defensive issues I can’t disagree with a single word you say. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 01:08:56pm (static-80-177-78-58.vodafonexdsl.co.uk/80.177.78.58)
- Very much agree. I'm also encouraged by the fact that the defensive issues yesterday were of a totally different sort to the first games. He kept Castagne back in possession and close to Andersen and the issues we were faced with were less to do with two much space between the center backs in transition, but with more prosaic challenges with cover from the midfield and ability to stop the ball coming back once the back line had done their initial job clearing it. We're seeing positive evolution. (NT) -- eganonoa, Wednesday, September 16, 02:02:15pm (NoHost/172.56.161.112)
- Glad to here you are happy Drobe, having read the board and needed to post as if how you feel is special or any different to the majority. (NT) -- The Ego has landed again, Wednesday, September 16, 06:42:03pm (NoHost/103.219.169.166)
- Ex-Spurs midfielder Bissouma completes Ajax move -- just training with us then, Wednesday, September 16, 11:59:55am (host86-169-186-142.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.186.142)
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- Angel.? First Impressions -- Baden Powell, Wednesday, September 16, 10:18:20am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
A lot of smaller than I imagined physicality a little bit of a worry ( Not ability)maybe best playing in a Josh King type position? I Reckon he will be a great link up for Gonzalo (Promising)
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- Taller than Maradonna. Same height as Foden. Messi and Paul Parker. (NT) -- According to Wikipedia, Wednesday, September 16, 10:31:51am (host86-143-126-133.range86-143.btcentralplus.com/86.143.126.133)
- Looks a good footballer. Obviously physicality of english football will be a challenge for him. Hope he can withstand it. (NT) -- Fingers crossed, Wednesday, September 16, 11:51:32am (host31-50-55-75.range31-50.btcentralplus.com/31.50.55.75)
- Probably the most over-quoted, unfounded claim ever. Take England v Argentina in the world cup as an example. Take the number of foreign players plying their trades in the English league. There's nothing at all that makes these leagues any more or less physical than most other leagues. Saying that he is tiny. But doesn't seem to have stopped many diminutive players from prpgressing over the years. (NT) -- Jim©, Wednesday, September 16, 12:56:42pm (62-64-192-58.virtual1.co.uk/62.64.192.58)
- If you think he is diminuitive, check out our Ali Wahid on loan at Borehamwood. (NT) -- Mr Kurkuruza, Wednesday, September 16, 01:20:10pm (217-155-46-35.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk/217.155.46.35)
- Plenty of data to show the prem league is more physical, sprints are higher per game, fewer yellows given per foul etc than most other leagues. Then first hand quotes who would know, loads of coaches including pep and lots of players like Rodri have said it is more physical. That’s not to say any player can’t make it, but it does require a higher level of physicality compared to most other leagues, it’s why French league players get looked at a lot, it’s also a higher physicality league. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 01:21:38pm (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Fee being so cheap immediately caused a concern but the 50% sell on clause must mean Madrid think he could turn valuable (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, September 16, 12:17:15pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- Bremner 5ft 5i nches, our Manuel Ángel 5ft 7 inches. He does look about 12 mind (NT) -- Al, Wednesday, September 16, 04:45:51pm (NoHost/51.179.199.0)
- Going back to the Liverpool game. -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 10:11:25am (NoHost/148.252.132.94)
How refreshing to see AA adapt his tactics. As much as we need points the big take away for me was the balance and the clean sheet. Yet unlike the media take which was we parked the bus and Liverpool were lacklustre we created plenty of chances going forward but looked so much more solid on defence. Now I know some will argue that was down to new players coming in that were better and possibly more suited to his system and that absolutely is a contributory factor but it was more than that, it was a different approach that made the bigger difference. Maybe it’s a new manager learning on the job, maybe it was the stark realisation that “we’ll simply out score you” won’t wash in the premier league but either way it can’t hurt building confidence in the dressing room and with the fan base. I don’t say this to rehash old arguments but to simply point out that this puts us in a far better situation going into the Man U game than it would have done prior to the Liverpool game. If we approach Sundays game in the right way we have a real chance, despite needing points, for me the way we set up and the tactics we deploy is of much more importance over the next three or four games to see where we may be come the end of the season.
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- The Elephant in the Room -- Dumbo, Wednesday, September 16, 09:16:01am (host217-43-148-135.range217-43.btcentralplus.com/217.43.148.135)
Gonzalo. What have we seen from him? What are we expecting?
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- why does he keep dropping soooo deep all the time (NT) -- delap scored and played well motd said, Wednesday, September 16, 09:24:46am (NoHost/84.71.64.238)
- He's brilliant. Level above most of our other players. Makes very intelligent runs, problem is quite a few of our players are too thick to spot them. Hence he's getting frustrated and so is dropping deep. Our players are only used to playing with second-rate strikers at Fulham (like Muniz and Jimenez), it's taking them time to realise that this guy's the business and you can give him the ball and he will make things happen. Classic case of team taking time to gel, once he gets going, he'll soar! (NT) -- --, Wednesday, September 16, 09:29:47am (host81-133-110-86.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.133.110.86)
- I think he has similarities to raul, he’s not a back to goal traditional target man 9 like mitro, he likes to join in play, drift out left and that allowed palacios to get into this central positions. Real all rounder from initial viewing, but too early to say how he’ll evolve, altiugh I suspect like raul he’ll be a 12-15 goal season type who’s work creates for others rather than a 25 goal more selfish haaland type. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 09:32:54am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Calling out Garcia as an elephant in the room is also showing the entire forum your lack of football IQ. He is class. (NT) -- JF, Wednesday, September 16, 10:06:05am (brnt-06-b2-v4wan-169764-cust3300.vm7.cable.virginm.net/81.101.124.229)
- Well there is no one else so he comes off or we go down! Suprised he wasnt used last night for confidence (NT) -- Waterboy, Wednesday, September 16, 12:22:36pm (lanc-08-b2-v4wan-168332-cust3678.vm14.cable.virginm.net/80.5.238.95)
- We have seen 100% effort and some excellent runs into space, without being found. His shot within 5 mins of coming on last night would have burst the net had it gone in - don't remember a Fuham player smacking a ball that hard for some time. Early games looked like he was trying a bit too hard. Seems to have a good understanding with Caesars Palace. I expect him to get 14+ goals this season. Very excited to watch him (NT) -- Fkev, Wednesday, September 16, 12:29:04pm (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
- A mobile Mitro (NT) -- j, Wednesday, September 16, 05:22:21pm (hers-08-b2-v4wan-169670-cust651.vm34.cable.virginm.net/81.100.146.140)
- Caesar's Palace -- Fkev, Wednesday, September 16, 08:09:39am (217.122.199.146.dyn.plus.net/146.199.122.217)
His best game in a Fulham shirt. He was excellent playing on the left, despite it not being his best position. I think he's probably a 10, to come on for the last 30 mins in place of King - or does he deserve a start? ESR moved down the pecking order to 3rd choice number 10.
Bobb scored!!! No-one looked more surprised that Bobb himself tbf. Hopefully the floodgates open now and he ends the season on 2....
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- i doubt both scoring will get certain posters off thier backs... (NT) -- esr is he black or white?, Wednesday, September 16, 08:42:39am (NoHost/185.136.159.181)
- I thought he was excellent for 70 odd minutes then gassed out a bit, but yes. a great performance really. And Bobb played very well off the bench which was a relief to see (NT) -- Same Old Story, Wednesday, September 16, 09:22:42am (NoHost/90.243.163.248)
- Bargain for £8.5m, especially given his age. Given the new language, league, city etc to almost seamlessly just slot in and produce quality first team performances is a great effort. Angel looked incredibly small though, not sure how he’ll get on with rough and tumble of prem football, but seemed to be bit of a xavi type, keeps ball ticking and dictates flow of the game, maybe one more for home games as I like the Charles/Berge pillars protecting back 4 in away game and against the big teams. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 09:48:11am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- My only concern with Bobb was his scoring record, for an area of the pitch we should expect goals he lacked them. If he adds a reasonable goal return then I can absolutely see the benefit. My only concern with Palacios was he might not have been ready yet for first choice LW. Having said that Spammers have a good defence and palacios looked consistently dangerous. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 09:55:35am (NoHost/148.252.132.94)
- Re: Caesar's Palace (NT) -- Josh King is the spark for this team, Wednesday, September 16, 10:00:23am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
- ESR.... -- JK69, Wednesday, September 16, 07:09:36am (33bf6249.skybroadband.com/51.191.98.73)
What the hell is wrong with him?
Looks like he just doesn't want to be at the club.
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- I think he’s shy and lost all his confidence and just looks mentally shot. I just can’t see him being the type to come on and be so determined to win his place back ahead of king. To me palacios should now be the one vying with king for that role and I think ESR is gonna struggle for even a spot on the bench so needs either a loan in January just to get him playing again or if someone offers decent money then it’s time to move on. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 07:16:21am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Sad isnt it. Theres a player in there but its not working, and lets be honest it never has. Concerned that Kevin is in the same camp, but he is younger and at least tries (for now). With the other players in the 10 position, plus better options in the LH side, we have to move him in Jan as you say. We cant afford players like that not making the squad. (NT) -- Kton White, Wednesday, September 16, 07:46:12am (NoHost/95.214.230.128)
- I think ESR is a confidence player who needs a run of games. So far his fitness has stopped that and now lack of confidence keeps him out. If it hasn’t happened already a frank conversation needs to happen with him. Get fit, keep training and he’ll play with us or have a better chance of a move elsewhere. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 08:14:18am (NoHost/148.252.132.94)
- 74 games … 9 goals …3 seasons. Still unfit and heavy . There are no excuses . Ship him out in Jan (NT) -- View from the Riverside, Wednesday, September 16, 08:33:36am (NoHost/104.28.86.115)
- Everything points to his purple patch at Arsenal, at a time the club was quite flat and he gave them something to cheer. It was just a purple patch. If he's ever through on goal one on one I back him to score every time but he's never in that position... (NT) -- Golden, Wednesday, September 16, 10:26:27am (NoHost/170.85.64.91)
- Rising Stars -- Eerwah, Wednesday, September 16, 01:27:40am (customer.brseaus1.isp.starlink.com/206.83.123.88)
Conceding following having gained a lead, needs to be dealt with by temporary adaptions to the formation.
Next weeks break in fixtures will provide opportunity for sorting out tactical solutions that would normally have been set in place during preseason.
Among other aspects, captains job is reminding, directing and all forms of leading communication much like John Collins carried out for Jean Tigana.
Good showing on Sunday will set the tone for preparing to start recovering lost points that need to be always more than minimum one point over fixtures played.
Compared with after having reached 40 points last season, it is refreshing to see new and youthful squad content who will nevertheless require this season to become established.
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- The two goals were Harrison Reeds fault gave away a stupid foul and he should have smashed the ball up the pitch for their second one (NT) -- Button, Wednesday, September 16, 02:53:29am (NoHost/148.252.140.170)
- Robinson nowhere near the far post for the first. Awful defending. (NT) -- GA, Wednesday, September 16, 02:55:06am (ool-18b901ac.dyn.optonline.net/24.185.1.172)
- It was a set piece, his zone was at the near post for it, the goal had absolutely nothing to do with Robinson. When it’s another phase after the corner you don’t form your back 4 again you stay where you are ans defend the same area, ESR was the furthest defender on that side who I think was meant to be marking mavro. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 06:40:54am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- If that’s the case Henry (ESR matking Mavro) then whose crazy idea was that? The shorted player on the pitch being responsible for marking a big CB who is known for scoring headers from set pieces. Normally this is worked on in training prior to each game if ESR was given that responsibility then that was a glaring tactical error. (NT) -- Fulham Si, Wednesday, September 16, 08:18:37am (NoHost/148.252.132.94)
- Because nearly every team does it, a mixture of man and zonal. You have your best headers, muniz, Andersen, Bassey, maybe Berge in a zone guarding 6 yard line, not marking a man but an area, then you have weaker defensive players marking men, more to disrupt than beat them outright, stop them getting a clean header. Nobody marks man to man now, it’s too easy to block and a mix is what everyone does, was a 2nd phase, but I assume the same frame applies, ESR didn’t effect mavro at all. (NT) -- Henry1879, Wednesday, September 16, 08:32:37am (cpc113818-lea23-2-0-cust423.6-3.cable.virginm.net/86.27.157.168)
- Palacios -- JamieR, Tuesday, September 15, 10:47:17pm (NoHost/82.132.213.73)
Fair play, I thought he had been flattering to decieve and was glad to see him dropped v Liverpool but best player on the pitch tonight. Some lovely touches, lively, goal and an assist. A stark contrast to the sorry spectre of ESR who seems to have given up on his career completely
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- Jesus Christ - writing off new players to the country, language and squad Supposing someone wrote you off after 3 days into a new job. "Glad to see him dropped" - you write like a 16 year old (NT) -- LONG TERMER, Tuesday, September 15, 11:05:54pm (host86-190-174-110.range86-190.btcentralplus.com/86.190.174.110)
- Er I wonder whether the overreaction isn't yours - yes sure I was pleased Iwobi started instead of him at Anfield, I thought it was the right decision by AA.. that's not the same as writing the kid off! (NT) -- JamieR, Tuesday, September 15, 11:50:06pm (NoHost/31.111.174.97)
- Re: Palacios (NT) -- Palacios was excellent. The miss at the End 🤦, Wednesday, September 16, 09:57:16am (host-81-86-227-12.as13285.net/81.86.227.12)
Feedback: 
Re: Shea Charles.. a club like manchity can pivot at anytime..but they clearly brought (yes paid form ) him back ...as the succesion plan for dumberrumer...and let trafford go for big money. so chances of fulham snagging pierce seem low and not on them cheap niether (NT) -- shame as he looks good, Friday, October 02, 09:58:14pm (NoHost/83.138.12.195)
Fulham awarded 70 points for this season (NT) -- Kneed them, Friday, September 25, 03:30:19pm (86.red.136.56.154.procono.es/154.56.136.86)
Oh god (NT) -- Fkev, Tuesday, September 22, 01:29:59pm (NoHost/57.133.213.87)