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Folks your season 2012/13 dvd review is available to pre-order. -- CB, Friday, May 24, 11:48:29am (host86-131-166-56.range86-131.btcentralplus.com/86.131.166.56)
Apparently it's only 15 minutes duration this time round. Still longer than QPR's though.

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- I hope they have a segment on Bryans hair. Kind of like the Zidane movie where one camera tracked him for the whole game, maybe we could have one camera tracking Ruiz's hair for 90 minutes, and all rhe different states of emotion displayed. (NT) -- Or not, Friday, May 24, 11:54:50am (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
Hughes to Stoke? -- --, Friday, May 24, 11:11:05am (NoHost/82.211.83.98)

The club says he would be a "good fit". Too right, a shit manager for a shit club:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22649939

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- I can't imagine he will be cheap as the super hoops are still paying him to do nothing. (NT) -- Matt, Friday, May 24, 11:18:15am (0543f836.skybroadband.com/5.67.248.54)
- I think he'd be a good fit there - plays a direct brand of football which would suit the players there, a step up from Pulis but not a complete change of direction which might destabilise the club. My only question is how he will adjust tactically - he hasn't grown from his Blackburn teams of 5+ years ago and the premiership has with far more 5 man midfields than ever before. We were outclassed on several occassions whilst he was manager here and the opponents flooded the midfield. (NT) -- Evidence, Friday, May 24, 11:24:00am (79-121-191-230.act.mops2.co.uk/79.121.191.230)
  - Whatever happens, his lapdog Bowen will trot out the usual "we made the club a better place than what it was when we arrived" as he did with us, the bitters and Man City (and presumably blackburn) (NT) -- woodman, Friday, May 24, 11:30:30am (outbound.citizensadvice.org.uk/80.40.144.68)
    - Did he really say that about their time at QPR? Wow. (NT) -- Evidence, Friday, May 24, 11:36:46am (79-121-191-230.act.mops2.co.uk/79.121.191.230)
      - Yep - and many times. Mr "QPR" on here I'm sure was not amused. (NT) -- woodman, Friday, May 24, 11:51:41am (outbound.citizensadvice.org.uk/80.40.144.68)
  - this was my main beef. Late in games he'd take off a midfielder and bring on a forward but all that did was completely hand control of the game to the opposition. (NT) -- another rich, Friday, May 24, 11:36:50am (NoHost/157.203.242.98)
    - My main beef was that he is a compete tit. (NT) -- White, Friday, May 24, 11:42:26am (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
    - That reminds me of one of the worst substitutions that I have ever witnessed: Taking off Dempsey for Eddie Johnson. Technically it was a striker for a striker as Zamora was injured but it was so bad you just had to laugh. Interestingly, Jol has a tendency to go too attacking in response to going behind which I think is why we have not won from a losing position this season. (NT) -- Evidence, Friday, May 24, 11:43:44am (79-121-191-230.act.mops2.co.uk/79.121.191.230)
  - Part of the reason given for sacking Pullis was that they wanted to change their whole coaching setup. So I took that to mean a change from a thuggish and direct approach, to one that entails playing football. (NT) -- Balti, Friday, May 24, 11:47:14am (proxy2-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.17)
- Ambitious Twat (NT) -- Blf, Friday, May 24, 11:51:24am (432ob.scansafe.net/80.254.147.236)
Free company check -- ekw, Friday, May 24, 09:31:47am (cpc1-slam2-0-0-cust820.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/82.23.151.53)
Company checks are freely available for a limited period.Interesting to see Chelsea are worth minus 700+ million.A quick look at Fulham leisure which we trade under showed little debt but only had our assets at only 10 million which i dont really understand.Maybe someone could explain.

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- its fulham fc (1987) ltd that we trade under (NT) -- Pablo, Friday, May 24, 10:04:05am (b01bd849.bb.sky.com/176.27.216.73)
  - Had a quick look and we are minus 212 million,cash in bank and assets are the same as fulham leisure. (NT) -- ekw, Friday, May 24, 10:41:11am (cpc1-slam2-0-0-cust820.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/82.23.151.53)
    - What date was that? Was it before MAF converted the 100m debts into equity or after? (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 10:44:12am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
      - 200m not 100m (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 10:52:26am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
        
        If you go on company check on google.maybe you could have a look and see what you think.as i said its free at the moment. (NT) -- ekw, Friday, May 24, 11:24:03am (cpc1-slam2-0-0-cust820.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/82.23.151.53)
        
        I access company reports on a daily basis. The cause of supposed massive deficits is that the open market value of the business is never accounted for and credit /company reports only go on stated values rather than what it is known as intangibles. The revenue stream of any football club will determine its value far more than the fixed assets which consist of land if owned and the players who will have their value written down as it makes for a nice tax write off each year. Statutory figures are filed as they have to be but really have little value in isolation. (NT) -- ...., Friday, May 24, 11:40:29am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
"Have a bang on this" -- DJSA, Friday, May 24, 09:12:50am (joh066-94052-rtr-adsl-02.altohiway.com/84.252.230.4)
ROME-the rumors the last few days, or confirmations are better since last January that Rome-London axis there is turmoil. Subject in question? Maarten Stekelenburg. The Dutch goalkeeper in the repair market was one step away from Fulham, the street will be covered with a few months delay. Therefore the player, whose season ended early however due to an injury, the Italy Cup derby there will not, leaves the capital without having to fully express his talent.

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- nice spelling wum (NT) -- forward coming �4m, never heard of him though but very fast, Friday, May 24, 09:20:39am (NoHost/2.30.135.50)
  - Do you know his age/nationality? I've heard a rumour about a very quick forward too, but would have been surprised with it. Also, didn't think his fee could have been as high as 4. Not asking you to give a name, just a clue. Would be interested if it tied in with mine. (NT) -- GBLB, Friday, May 24, 09:39:32am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
    - Yohan Mollo (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, May 24, 10:31:48am (myholds.demon.co.uk/80.177.16.190)
- How would you know he is fast, but dont know his name???? (NT) -- MJS, Friday, May 24, 10:04:38am (46-65-63-119.zone16.bethere.co.uk/46.65.63.119)
  - Because he talks utter crap (NT) -- Evidence, Friday, May 24, 10:15:59am (79-121-191-230.activator.managedbroadband.co.uk/79.121.191.230)
  - That is not what he said. He said he has never heard of him but is very fast. Any scan of the internet about a player you have never heard of before will give a summary of his strengths and attributes. (NT) -- Mo, Friday, May 24, 10:20:16am (host-89-242-5-203.static.as13285.net/89.242.5.203)
- Do you mean Nacer Chadli (FC Twente winger) - as mentioned below? (NT) -- Mr Reasonable, Friday, May 24, 10:17:22am (host86-161-230-158.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.230.158)
  - �4m would be a good deal for Chadli. Does seem from the links & what has happened so far like we are tieing up a few long term targets (NT) -- Louis, Friday, May 24, 10:23:42am (491ob.scansafe.net/80.254.158.164)
    - where does it say wer after chadli? -- Z-M, Friday, May 24, 10:46:03am (client-82-26-210-85.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com/82.26.210.85)
      - Lots of links INSIDE -- Mr Reasonable, Friday, May 24, 11:29:13am (host86-161-230-158.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.230.158)
        
        ohright, mostly last years, his value has risen considerably, think hes outside our price range unfortunatley. would be good though. -- Z-M, Friday, May 24, 11:54:55am (client-82-26-210-85.pete.adsl.virginmedia.com/82.26.210.85)
  - If you believe what you read Juventus, Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool are also after him and Twente are valuing him at �10m. Based on that we can be safe in the knowledge that he will not be at Fulham player. Also, he's 6 years too young to meet Fulham's age policy. (NT) -- El Pato, Friday, May 24, 11:57:21am (NoHost/154.48.129.43)
Schwarzer interview -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 08:58:28am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2329353/Mark-Schwarzer--The-Footballers-Football-Column-I-fit-play-Premier-League-year.html

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- so what you do ? keep a fit 41- 42 year old for a season as No.1 , or go for a younger proven keeper, stekelenburg / who ever for 4 seasons. (NT) -- ., Friday, May 24, 09:07:14am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
  - If available at the right price Id sign a younger top quality keeper. If not Id keep Schwarzer. (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 09:16:15am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
  - Stekelenberg proven? Early talent I'll grant you, has he fulfilled it? No significant international involvement since 2010, considered not physical enough in the Italian league. Be careful what you wish for. (NT) -- TheExpendableOne, Friday, May 24, 09:57:49am (host-2-101-100-154.as13285.net/2.101.100.154)
    - I'll take him, you do the worrying. (NT) -- ., Friday, May 24, 10:17:01am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
- I sign a new gloveman. (NT) -- Mitch, Friday, May 24, 09:08:26am (orc009-26332.routed.opal-solutions.com/195.12.26.177)
  - do you think we may sign a couple more bootmen ? (NT) -- ., Friday, May 24, 09:56:06am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
- Its a similar problem to the one at Spurs at last summer. They had the admirable Friedel but signed Lloris and after half a dozen games made him No 1. I am sure that Schwarze can appreciate he's not the future. (NT) -- V, Friday, May 24, 10:03:40am (lon1.sme.zscaler.net/212.118.224.148)
- No-carb diets, thought they'd gone the way of Betamax. Comes across as a really nice guy but I'm sorry, Fulham come first for me and I'm not sure I'd be happy with him as #1 for another season. (NT) -- Everybody Lies, Friday, May 24, 10:35:21am (host86-148-68-216.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.68.216)
Jol off to hamburg? -- >, Friday, May 24, 08:41:27am (host86-128-160-87.range86-128.btcentralplus.com/86.128.160.87)
Fulham manager Martin Jol is being considered by Hamburg to replace general manager Frank Arnesen, who was sacked this week. Source Daily Mail

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- What a dliemma for Peyton . A dream come true for him but against that it is reported in the Daily Mail edited and published by Satan (NT) -- ...., Friday, May 24, 08:44:58am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
  - No dilemma at all mate, any way it happens is good enough for me (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 08:46:09am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
- do not think ffc would have sanctioned the signings if jol was off. Guarantee one thing next season we ain't going to roll over for anybody. (NT) -- ., Friday, May 24, 08:55:11am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
  - I though it was the club who made the signings not Jol or is that only if they dont work out? (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 09:26:47am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
    - BAD BOY. NAUGHTY. You're doing it again. You know full well, Martin draws up a target list, and the club then negotiate terms. Stop being deliberately provocative. You've had your fun all season, give us a rest for at least a couple of weeks please. (NT) -- GBLB, Friday, May 24, 09:41:38am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
      - You know he wont. He's gonna be an escalating barrel of laughs (NT) -- Evidence, Friday, May 24, 09:44:18am (79-121-191-230.activator.managedbroadband.co.uk/79.121.191.230)
      - Aw come on, when its put on a plate like that it'd be rude not to. (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 09:45:25am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
    - jol targets, ffc sanction, ffc agree terms. Been plenty of crap signings by all the managers we have had . But have a dig as usual. . (NT) -- ., Friday, May 24, 09:42:52am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
      - Have to agree with the crap signings by all point. Actually CC with zero dosh had probably the best hit rate (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Friday, May 24, 10:03:26am (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
        
        Actually think that while he wasnt great and the football wasnt the best Coleman did a pretty good job for us for some time until the money really did dry up. Signed some pretty good stop gaps and of course the mighty McBride and Dempsey. (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 10:20:16am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
        
        Don't forget Pearce, Pembo, Elrich, Petta, Quedrue etc etc. (NT) -- Mo., Friday, May 24, 10:34:09am (host-89-242-5-203.static.as13285.net/89.242.5.203)
        
        Pearce the hero v Pompey. Pembo the driving force in the middle in the win v Chelsea. Three U's who did ok for the money. I'll give you Elrich and Petta and raise you Sa, Gecov, Somogyi and Kasami. All managers buy some rubbish at some time or another, some like Coleman do it with less money though. (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, May 24, 10:43:10am (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
        
        Re: Pearce the hero v Pompey. Pembo the driving force in the middle in the win v Chelsea. Three U's who did ok for the money. I'll give you Elrich and Petta and raise you Sa, Gecov, Somogyi and Kasami. All managers buy some rubbish at some time or another, some like Coleman do it with less money though. -- SHOG, Friday, May 24, 11:03:21am (84.93.169.167.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net/84.93.169.167)
        1 game does not maketh a great player. I'll take your Sa, Gecov & Somogyi (omitting Kasami because I still think he will become a good player) and raise you with Lastuvka and Batista. Then let's not forget that legend of a keeper Crossley keeping out Van der Sar (NT) -- Mo, Friday, May 24, 11:08:34am (host-89-242-5-203.static.as13285.net/89.242.5.203)
        
        Wonder how much CC spent in his time. Less than 5m I'd guess and he had to watch a far greater exodus of our crown jewels than Jol. Jol must have spent 15 to 20m. Id thought that was germane to a like for like comparison Mo? (NT) -- WK, Friday, May 24, 11:36:11am (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
        
        How much net? Jol has spent a minus figure, so would imagine he spent more on that. He also had a far, far superior, and younger base to start with. Saha, Malbranque, Boa, Davis, EVDS etc. And if people are going to mention names of shit signings, lets not forget Niclas Jensen, Runstrom, Zakuani, Warner, Elliot.....Coleman had an ok hit rate, nothing more, and when you have little cash, the last thing you want to be doing is spunking a million on a player who never played (Zakuani) or the like. And none of this is even factoring in the fallouts with players. If, on the other hand you're suggesting he spent 5 million in total, you're miles out. Was about 25m over the 4 years. (NT) -- GBLB, Friday, May 24, 11:49:41am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
- Jol's going nowhere, thankfully. He stated in an interview this week how happy he was. (NT) -- Jim�, Friday, May 24, 09:12:32am (NoHost/91.84.234.86)
  - I should think so now he's finally been allowed access to the sweetie counter he spent last season drooling at through a window (NT) -- Everybody Lies, Friday, May 24, 10:42:35am (host86-148-68-216.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.68.216)
Friday Fulham Stuff (24/05/13)... -- FoF, Friday, May 24, 07:28:19am (host86-155-202-200.range86-155.btcentralplus.com/86.155.202.200)
...a round-up of the news...

http://bit.ly/18mK660

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Fernando Amorebieta -- HC, Friday, May 24, 05:15:33am (NoHost/195.166.59.136)
Found a summing up of the player online (subjective I know) but the following is the summary of what is a reasonably well written & objective piece -

Summary of Amorebieta:

Strengths: Spectacular left foot, tough/strong/brave, scary (for opposition), good in the air, good reading of the game, awareness of opponents position and versatile.

Weaknesses: Dives in, too strong/tough, lunges into tackles, 2 footed in the tackle, and reliance on his left foot.

Seems that the biggest issue is his likeliehood to get sent off and give free kicks/pens away. Sounds a good ball playing but physically tough centre back who's reasonably mobile for his size but worryingly it sounds like his right foot is only for standing on

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- http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/scouting-report-lowdown-fulham-target-1716643 -- that link from mirror scouting article in Feb, Friday, May 24, 05:19:21am (NoHost/195.166.59.136)
- A bit like Brede's left foot then! (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Friday, May 24, 07:24:52am (97e0c37f.skybroadband.com/151.224.195.127)
- and messi and maradonna (NT) -- gareth bale, Friday, May 24, 08:26:16am (05456747.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.71)
- Plays in Spain where bookings are handed out for utterly ridiculous offences , so I don't read too much into that part (NT) -- ...., Friday, May 24, 08:55:43am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
  - No, believe me, I have seen a lot of him in spain and although he can look like a thoroughbred, the red mist definitely descends. Hope his reputation doesn't follow him. (NT) -- Timar, Friday, May 24, 10:31:57am (101.Red-81-43-184.staticIP.rima-tde.net/81.43.184.101)
- Cannot wait! (NT) -- L. Probert, Friday, May 24, 08:59:31am (lon1.sme.zscaler.net/212.118.224.148)
- I may put my retirement on hold. (NT) -- M.Halsey, Friday, May 24, 09:49:08am (NoHost/31.92.169.105)
- scary (for opposition), Get in there!!! I love a player with a high 'Fear Factor' ;) (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Friday, May 24, 10:06:12am (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
- Love to see him decapitate the imbecilic Sturridge or Luis 'chomp, chomp' Suarez, and get away with it! :-) (NT) -- trusthouse morte, Friday, May 24, 10:17:38am (cable-94-189-234-24.dynamic.sbb.rs/94.189.234.24)
- Blimey!! Fernando, Steve -and possibly - Enoh, what are the chances of us finishing a game with eight players on the pitch next season ?? (NT) -- >, Friday, May 24, 10:21:16am (host86-128-160-87.range86-128.btcentralplus.com/86.128.160.87)
  - As long as its against the filth, lampard, terry and cole suffering badly at the hands of the fore mentioned 3 - who cares? (NT) -- True, Friday, May 24, 11:59:48am (054386ed.skybroadband.com/5.67.134.237)
The post below posing as Alanos is NOT me. I am livid after such a wonderful night out at a charity event. -- Mick, Friday, May 24, 02:34:56am (b0f80093.bb.sky.com/176.248.0.147)
Someone is posing as Alanos who in turn is posing as me. This has been going on for some time and the moderators have let it continue. You will see on pages 3, 4 and 5 in the archive posts from myself from this very IP address at my home in Barnes. I am livid.

Alanos stole my username but came clean after two posts. A witch hunt began and he was accused of being myself. The post below is yet another disgusting WUM and you have been duped. I consider imitation the most sincere form of flattery. In 1999 a young gentleman from Ebbsfleet was arrested, prosecuted and fined by Interpol for copying my work and passing it off as his to buyers across Europe. Should my legal team catch the perpetrator of the crime today they will be pursued in court and I will seek the full power of the law to obtain justice.

Whoever you are, you have ruined a wonderful evening with friends at a charity event. Shame on you. I will be cancelling my event next week until you admit to what you have done and report to my legal team before the police are involved.

Deny real fans the chance to meet me and purchase my art prints, or come clean. I know who you are.

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- Can you also get fined by Interpol for inventing a now slightly tired after being initially semi humorous ficticious character??! -- HC, Friday, May 24, 04:34:11am (NoHost/195.166.59.136)
  - Aha. Was wondering how you were going to wriggle out of your 'champagne reception' next week. Worse though, I can't believe I'm actually writing this! Fun though, isn't it? Keep up the good 'work' 'Mick' (NT) -- Harold, Friday, May 24, 06:38:14am (ec2-54-216-23-235.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/54.216.23.235)
- Ebbsfleet did not exist in 1999 :-) (NT) -- Gravesend and Northfleet, Friday, May 24, 06:46:44am (dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net/82.132.217.233)
  - Good point. And nor did Mick... (NT) -- My Left Foot, Friday, May 24, 06:52:00am (host86-148-117-62.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.117.62)
- Does that meen you will be posting more boring bullshit (NT) -- Old Fulham boy, Friday, May 24, 08:38:16am (05443506.skybroadband.com/5.68.53.6)
- We would be delighted to represent you Mr Mick. We have extensive experience in cases with Mental Health issues. Please contact us. Knock twice and ask for Lulu. (NT) -- Sue, Grabbit and Run., Friday, May 24, 08:40:18am (145.108.113.87.dyn.plus.net/87.113.108.145)
- Hold on ....."Should my legal team catch the perpetrator of the crime today they will be pursued in court and I will seek the full power of the law to lpo;[./obtain justice." ..... "Deny real fans the chance to meet me and purchase my art prints, or come clean. I know who you are" ..... why is your legal team searching for a perpetrator you already know .. hmmmm (NT) -- Mr Pod, Friday, May 24, 10:18:23am (host84-93-15-152.plus.net/84.93.15.152)
Chadli and Stekles on their way -- Gr, Friday, May 24, 12:35:07am (NoHost/79.97.112.169)
Stekelenburg

Reither
Amorbieta
Hangeland
RIchardson

Boateng
Chadli
Kaca
Ruiz
Dejagh

Berba

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- You've put 3 winger in midfield. So no... Just no. (NT) -- M, Friday, May 24, 01:52:07am (97-96-249-59.res.bhn.net/97.96.249.59)
- Problem with playing one upfront is the need to RUN (NT) -- lod, Friday, May 24, 10:50:33am (62-133-9-210.spitfireuk.net/62.133.9.210)
- If you believe what you read Juventus, Borussia Dortmund and Liverpool are also after him and Twente are valuing him at �10m. Based on that we can be safe in the knowledge that he will not be at Fulham player. Also, he's 6 years too young to meet Fulham's age policy. (NT) -- El Pato, Friday, May 24, 11:04:32am (NoHost/154.48.129.43)
  - Chadli, that is (NT) -- El Pato, Friday, May 24, 11:05:22am (NoHost/154.48.129.43)
- So we are going to play with no left back after the first 5 minutes ? (NT) -- DA, Friday, May 24, 11:44:22am (host-78-149-137-173.as13285.net/78.149.137.173)
If you though Pulis was a good reason to hate Stoke... -- Trick, Thursday, May 23, 11:32:34pm (NoHost/137.205.138.82)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22649939

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Nacer Chadli? -- Stannard's rusty trombone, Thursday, May 23, 11:23:38pm (host86-144-222-130.range86-144.btcentralplus.com/86.144.222.130)

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- Yep that's spelt right Fat boy. Do you have an opinion? (NT) -- WK, Friday, May 24, 12:08:07am (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
  - Yes. You're a moron. (NT) -- Stannard's rusty trombone, Friday, May 24, 12:14:43am (host86-144-222-130.range86-144.btcentralplus.com/86.144.222.130)
    - Please expand (NT) -- WK, Friday, May 24, 10:08:33am (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
- Yet another who played against us in Europa League (NT) -- Mr.Memory, Friday, May 24, 06:01:06am (178.167.148.110.threembb.ie/178.167.148.110)
Frimpong -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 09:58:20pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
This confirms he is out of contract from 30th June http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/emmanuel-frimpong/profil/spieler_93056.html . If Arsenal don't offer him a contract at the end of that how can they claim any compensation should another club offer him one after that date?

I know they "developed" him but when they don't offer him a further contract surely then that is the end of it.

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- Not so. Clubs can reclaim the costs of developing a player until he's 24, even if he's out of contract. (Frimpong is 21.) See www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731#65 (NT) -- Ian C, Thursday, May 23, 11:30:57pm (161.170.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.170.161)
  - I don't think that's right. See 65.4.5, it refers to the terms of the NEW contract being offered by BOTH clubs i.e. his current club and the potential new club. This appears to suggest that compensation is only payable if the player is being offered a new contract by his current club. Obviously we dont know if this is the case with Frimpong. (NT) -- Isaac, Friday, May 24, 01:24:29am (host-92-17-226-12.as13285.net/92.17.226.12)
  - I'm sure arsenal would have to offer him a new contract for us to have to pay any compensation. Otherwise it is a complete restriction of trade... (NT) -- DB88, Friday, May 24, 08:09:45am (NoHost/213.205.230.142)
    - No there would be compensation for devleopment given age and time spent there. It would not be the �6million they are quoting though (NT) -- ......., Friday, May 24, 08:53:33am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
      - Looking at the rules I am pretty sure it is only if the club they were at also offer a contract. Otherwise you could end up with a case of a 19 year old that has never played a 1st team game for a prem club not getting offered a new contract, going to a league 2 club and then the prem club getting compo for him? (NT) -- DB88, Friday, May 24, 09:35:07am (fwsm-194-202-140-16.lnd2s.sg.alter.net/194.202.140.16)
        
        A club can agree to release a player from his registration, and therefore make the fee free. This happens a lot, simply because a club won't want an out of contract player sat around. But compensation is still valid, whilst Arsenal (in this case) hold his license. (NT) -- GBLB, Friday, May 24, 09:50:28am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
Thomas Vermaelen -- D, Thursday, May 23, 09:55:24pm (79-78-217-211.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com/79.78.217.211)
Available for �5 million, always been impressed by him, until this season was in my opinion one of the best defenders in the prem, a goalscorer as well. He can play left back as well as in the middle. Riether Hangeland Amorebieta and Vermaelen as a back four, excites me!

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- yes and while you're at it get podolski and wilshire too... on a more serious note - he's too good and expensive wage-wise for Fulham. (NT) -- BoboFFC, Thursday, May 23, 10:02:29pm (NoHost/78.133.32.207)
- Arsenal don't pay high wages, he wants to stay in London. Could go to Spurs or Wet Spam I suppose! If you don't try you don't get and we did get Berba who is also to good for us according to some! (NT) -- D, Thursday, May 23, 10:10:46pm (79-78-217-211.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com/79.78.217.211)
  - Biggest myth ever! (NT) -- TheExpendableOne, Thursday, May 23, 10:12:08pm (host-2-101-100-154.as13285.net/2.101.100.154)
- OK! Let's go for Titus bramble then, more our 'league'. (NT) -- D, Thursday, May 23, 10:28:43pm (79-78-217-211.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com/79.78.217.211)
- Was brilliant up to 18 months ago so what happened? Have seen him play left back & he is very poor in that position -worse than JAR and that's saying something. (NT) -- JimO'G, Thursday, May 23, 11:00:33pm (NoHost/93.107.23.5)
- He can't defend to save his life. He scored a few goals when he first joined so people thought he was good but he's been well and truly found out now (NT) -- Danny, Thursday, May 23, 11:19:09pm (5e089c11.bb.sky.com/94.8.156.17)
- Zonal Marking used to highlight a lot of his defensive mistakes, mainly positioning I think. One of those players everyone thinks is good but who perhaps really isn't. (NT) -- another rich, Friday, May 24, 08:12:38am (NoHost/157.203.242.98)
  - Yep. (NT) -- jake, Friday, May 24, 09:01:18am (NoHost/91.198.180.1)
- Hes the most overrated defender in the prem!!!! (NT) -- jake, Friday, May 24, 09:00:35am (NoHost/91.198.180.1)
Just to clarify... -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 09:35:47pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
we spent 3 seasons in the bottom division, from relegation in '94 to promotion in '97. it's even on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_fc#1994.E2.80.9396:_Fulham.27s_lowest_ebb

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- The Glory Years! Who is denying it then? (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Friday, May 24, 07:33:52am (97e0c37f.skybroadband.com/151.224.195.127)
Summer diversions -- JoeT, Thursday, May 23, 09:17:28pm (cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust642.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com/82.11.6.131)
So what are your favorite summer sporting and cultural diversions to get you through the footballess months? Mine are totally diverse but I love the Open golf Championship, having a flutter and normally losing my money. I love the unpredictability of it. The weather helps of course.

The other is the Glastonbury festival for the bands I know, the bands I have sort of heard of and the unknown ones that I am pleasantly surprised with.

Wimbledon is ok, cricket a turn off.

What about yours?

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- Cricket, especially since it's The Ashes this summer (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 09:22:57pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
- I have a number of sporting commitments over the coming months. Firstly I am heavily involved in the first week of Wimbledon with my commitments with the AELTC. I will be ringing the bell at Lords on the 3rd day of the Ashes test match. Tonight I am at the Dorchester hotel for a special dinner for the Bayern Munich team, courtesy of my mate Franz. Very hectiic summer for me (NT) -- Mick, Thursday, May 23, 09:23:09pm (NoHost/31.77.115.176)
- Spaming TIFF with "highly amusing" personas. (NT) -- team retard, Thursday, May 23, 09:25:54pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
- Love all Golf US Open- The Open. Enjoy Wimbledon Tennis, Le Mans & F1. Royal Ascot a must + Glourious Goodwood. The Lions this year. TMS for the cricket. Tour de France. Should be enough to keep me occupied before season starts! (NT) -- Gary, Thursday, May 23, 09:39:22pm (host86-176-249-178.range86-176.btcentralplus.com/86.176.249.178)
- Running and Global Gathering, catching up on things that I should have been doing instead of watching too much football. (NT) -- South London White, Thursday, May 23, 09:56:51pm (92.40.254.228.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.228)
- Cricket, Glastonbury, the Proms, and outdoor drinking (preferably by rivers). (NT) -- My Left Foot, Thursday, May 23, 10:09:04pm (host86-148-117-62.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.117.62)
- Cricket and beer. Can't wait for next season just like Peyton and co. In Martin we trust. (NT) -- HemelRog, Friday, May 24, 09:10:29am (02dacabe.bb.sky.com/2.218.202.190)
  - Cricket, cricket and more cricket (NT) -- TSW, Friday, May 24, 11:41:10am (NoHost/149.254.182.162)
Coming Clean -- Alanos, Thursday, May 23, 07:32:27pm (dab-bhx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net/82.132.230.244)
Since stupidly being caught out earlier in the week I have had nothing but grief every time I have posted. The reign of Mick as king WUM is at an end and I have much apologising to do. It was great fun whilst it lasted and some of your reactions were priceless. I knew it wouldn't last forever but it was time the character died. I would like to add Mick has been my only WUM character and I never meant for it to go on this long. Also many posts made my Mick were not actually me, especially the ones about Alex Ferguson.

I would like to get back to posting without the abuse now please. Accept my apology and let's move on shall we. Mick Angel of Barnes is dead.

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- Oh dear, after all your attempts to get me banned after my 1 post as a WUM hang your head (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 07:40:43pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
- not me lads, check my twitter (NT) -- Mick Angel, Barnes.... whoops, sorry Salad Dodger, Thursday, May 23, 07:49:42pm (0545e6ab.skybroadband.com/5.69.230.171)
- to be honest i think i prefer Mick than Alanos. (NT) -- mr micawbers, Thursday, May 23, 08:01:10pm (cpc1-slam2-0-0-cust820.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/82.23.151.53)
  - Does this mean the night out at The White Hart next week is off? (NT) -- Rodney, Thursday, May 23, 08:10:49pm (5e03d126.bb.sky.com/94.3.209.38)
- Just come out of Pams what's going on ? (NT) -- Fred, Thursday, May 23, 08:22:32pm (cpc1-lewi17-2-0-cust110.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/82.23.56.111)
- You absolute and utter confirmed moron. Although your advocacy of Fulham Park Rangers and Anglo-Saxon fiddlers such as Jimmy Saville and Stuart Hall, would lead one to believe that your whole persona is one bitter WUM. Maybe you should kill off Alanos too. It really is a sniveling, wretched persona. (NT) -- Polecat, Thursday, May 23, 08:29:09pm (xdsl-78-34-231-34.netcologne.de/78.34.231.34)
- What a whopper (NT) -- Old Fulham boy, Thursday, May 23, 08:41:49pm (05443506.skybroadband.com/5.68.53.6)
- Just as a matter of interest, might I ask how old you are Alanos / Mick? I know that sounds really patronising and I genuinely don' t mean it that way, but I am really curious. (NT) -- Dk, Thursday, May 23, 08:42:09pm (cpc29-brig15-2-0-cust525.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com/81.101.194.14)
- Was quite entertaining, although a pain at times. Almost going to miss the Mick we all know and love/hate. (NT) -- FFCQ8, Thursday, May 23, 08:50:20pm (ip-31-205-28-178.ask4internet.com/31.205.28.178)
- Nobody noticed that this isn't Alanos yet then? Big props for taking in half the board though. (NT) -- South London White, Thursday, May 23, 08:50:45pm (92.40.254.228.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.228)
  - Now that you mention it, the IP address is all wrong, yet another WUM i'm guessing! (NT) -- FFCQ8, Thursday, May 23, 08:53:58pm (ip-31-205-28-178.ask4internet.com/31.205.28.178)
    - Oh well. I still stand by my tirade. (NT) -- Polecat, Thursday, May 23, 08:55:40pm (xdsl-78-34-231-34.netcologne.de/78.34.231.34)
- Some little tosser pretending to be me.Almost certainly Mick. (NT) -- Alanos (the real deal), Thursday, May 23, 08:59:59pm (92.41.251.200.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.200)
  - Still think you're a fake. I know alanos style, he'd have far more to say than little tosser. (NT) -- CB, Thursday, May 23, 09:11:01pm (host86-131-166-56.range86-131.btcentralplus.com/86.131.166.56)
  - Thank God for that. I'd booked a room at the White Hart this weekend. (NT) -- Mitch, Thursday, May 23, 09:24:08pm (0278a7c8.bb.sky.com/2.120.167.200)
- The giveaway is that alanos never posts with a capital A (NT) -- JoeT, Thursday, May 23, 09:18:27pm (cpc1-walt4-0-0-cust642.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com/82.11.6.131)
  - Well-observed but I did just above because I was using my mobile and impatient.But I certainly didn't post the 'confession' at the top.I don't actually mind Mick's posts.Some are funny . (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 09:55:33pm (92.41.251.197.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.197)
- SO I'M NOT GETTING A COPY OF MANDELA'S FAVOURITE PIECE? WHAT!?! (NT) -- Mitch, Thursday, May 23, 09:22:45pm (0278a7c8.bb.sky.com/2.120.167.200)
- No matter how annoying it may be, this whole Mick saga just gets funnier and funnier as the alanos element makes it more and more confusing. is it just me who'll be sad when it's finally over? (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 09:26:43pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
  - The best part about Mick is that it's so well done that all the other wum's aren't even bothering anymore because they know they pale in comparison. (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 09:29:27pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
    - the best bit for me was when he claimed that he had called of his fake half time harlem shake 'because of Ashkan Dejagah's injury. we felt it would be unfair for us to be writhing in pleasure while one of our own was writhing in pain'. Priceless, but the whole 'i had dinner with (insert famous person here) last night' became a bit boring and repetitive after a while (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 09:50:59pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
  - The Mick WUM is in a league of its own and is proper funny 8/10. Long may he continue wumming. (NT) -- South London White, Thursday, May 23, 09:47:20pm (92.40.254.228.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.228)
Omri Altman: Future Fulham star? -- --, Thursday, May 23, 07:15:22pm (host-92-21-181-222.as13285.net/92.21.181.222)

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8730420/

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Frimpong on Twitter -- kef, Thursday, May 23, 05:55:30pm (cpc6-slam5-2-0-cust302.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com/86.15.41.47)
wanna thank everyone at fulham for their support but also is a great feeling to be back at arsenal.

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- Covers all the bases then (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 05:57:32pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
Budget -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 03:41:21pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
For those few who still think we have money to spend, hopefully Jol's interview in the latest BBC podcast shows that that isn't the case. He said buying Frimpong would use up 'almost all the budget', and same with Enoh, which means our budget must be around the 7/8m mark. Assume Stekelenburg is coming for 4m and that means only 4m left for a CM or 2. Gonna be a lot more loans next season I fear...

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- Jol always underplays how much money he has. I remember he did the same when he bought Seany off of us. (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 03:44:23pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
- Loans with a view to buying are not such a bad option for the club. Riether is a good example of player brought via a loan deal (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 23, 03:44:38pm (host-2-103-124-135.as13285.net/2.103.124.135)
  - That's true, though both Enoh and Frimpong had an option and even though Jol wants to keep them they're both going back to their parent club. Leaves so many holes in the summer. (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 03:47:50pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
    - Arsenal want �6 million for the injury prone Frimpong, the club made the right call not to buy him at that price. Enoh looks good value at the quoted �3 million price (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 23, 04:03:03pm (host-2-103-124-135.as13285.net/2.103.124.135)
      - Yeh but surely this supports the idea of loan with option to buy only makes sense if the option is a sensible price, say 2m. Enoh at 3m seems good value to me too, but Jol obviously thinks otherwise and I trust him! (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 04:08:46pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
        
        My understanding of loans with a view to buy are that both clubs agree a price before the loan, like with Riether. I doubt the club would have taken Frimpong with a view to buy if the price was �6 million. It just seems like Arsenal are pulling a fast one here. Not sure why Jol wouldn't want Enoh as he looks a very accomplished player and just what we need (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 23, 04:30:54pm (host-2-103-124-135.as13285.net/2.103.124.135)
    - Arsenal wont offer Frimpong a contract, not sure what happens when he is out of contract because if we dont agree a compensation and no one does then he cant go anywhere, which seems a restraint of trade (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 04:03:05pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
- Titus Bramble is available on a free. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 03:50:04pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
- He's hardly going to say "Weve got 15m but I didnt want the player" so we get shafted on the next deal we do is he? Use your brain. Play some poker and you might understand what he is doing. As much as I dislike Jols tactics generally this is absolutely spot on. (NT) -- Clarke, Thursday, May 23, 03:55:45pm (NoHost/213.120.90.59)
  - Yeh but he could simply say 'we have some money to spend', which is actually what he has said in the past. He doesn't strike me as someone hiding an exciting budget in his recent interviews - I'd love to be proven wrong though so we'll see. (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 03:58:21pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
- if jol has no money to spend this summer then why is has he signed Amorebietta??? Although a free he is still on wages of �2m, surely a manager with no money would not have gone for a player when he already had bh, ph and ah there. Also if Jol has no money why did he sign Reither, although �1.2m Jol could have kept Kelly or signed a free one in july. Also Why if jol has no money doesn't Jol give in to ms and hand him the gloves for next season. No instead jol is about to sign a goalie for �4M+. Add not signing Kara for another year, but giving Boateng a 1 year plus 1 deal. (NT) -- All this suggests Jol has money and with this money he is actually improving the side. Still more work to be done, heres hoping there still �20M in Jols back pocket, Thursday, May 23, 04:14:25pm (NoHost/2.30.135.56)
  - Not saying he has no money, but I've seen people say we'll have anything from 20-50m to spend this summer. That will almost certainly not be the case! (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 04:19:04pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
    - then what you are effectively saying is, Jol and the CEO allowing his manager to spend. Is recruiting poorly!??? If your theory is correct then Jol and his lowly �10M summer budget has already been effectively spent and as i point out. All its really done is waste money on another CB, and buy an �4M goalie when he could give ms another year for nothing....... That if we believe you, means Jol has only a little bit to get the creative midfielder and other forward. Now these are the positions that should normally cost quite a royal sum. I repeat....... IF JOL had no money he wouldnt have signed Amorebietta and wouldnt be after another goalie. Jol would instead put all his small pot in the central midfielder and forward and wait for the next transfer window to get his gk and cb (NT) -- think about what you are saying, or are you a WUM?, Thursday, May 23, 04:49:32pm (NoHost/2.30.135.56)
      - I'm talking purely in transfer terms, not wages. So far we've spent say 1.5m and got in 3 players, so he's recruited excellently. Amorebieta is quality and to say we don't need a CB is ludicrous after seeing our defence this season! Also you don't miss out on an opportunity like Stek for 4m. I guess Jol has around 10m this summer - of which 5m will be spent on a CM and striker. Plus maybe another CM on loan. Why is that so hard to fathom? (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 04:54:28pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
        
        read your last line again.We all crying out for a dembele or dm sytle cm and a pacys bent style forward... AND you say we goner get that for �5M? For that type of cash we are likely to get palyers that will have TFI in a manic panic, even alby and alanos may cry fowl. So i repeat if Jol only had the budget you suggest he would not be spending money on a gk or cb........ and you disregard �2m wages where does amorebietta's wages come from? the same pot of money is where and that �2m for 4 years = �8m in wages which could have gone on the dembele/dm replacement. (NT) -- not hard is it... i call you wum from now, Thursday, May 23, 05:00:20pm (NoHost/2.30.135.56)
        
        Can't be bothered to argue, but if we end up spending more than 5m on a CM and striker I will be hugely surprised. We signed Dembele and Petric for a combined 5m - why can't we do something similar again? (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 05:04:47pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
        
        Lightning very rarely strikes twice. Once in a lifetime bargain. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 23, 05:29:06pm (02dacabe.bb.sky.com/2.218.202.190)
- Surely his job is to use his knowledge to find value for money. The summer has got off to a very good start. Sascha Reither is a steal, Amorebieta is very highly rated and Boateng appears a good bit of business. Alot of nonsense written about budgets. I am sure if the right player was available for the right price, Mo will push the boat out. As he did with Berba. Mackintosh also has his head switched on when it comes to playing the market. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 04:14:49pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
  - That's a good point - budgets are only their for generic transfers. I'm sure if Bale was suddenly offered to us for 15m MAF would allow it even if it went over the 'budget'. (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 04:17:27pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
    - Of course he would....then he would promptly sell him for at least double that. Good business no? (NT) -- Biff, Thursday, May 23, 04:28:06pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
      - Suppose the issue is about value. MAF won't sanction 20m to be spent on 5 new Sidwell's and Richardson's who are solid but nothing special. But if a player is special like Berba then guess limits can be pushed. (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 04:39:44pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
- Why spend �4m on akeeper when we have Schwarzer? Spend the �4m on Enoh or another midfielder. (NT) -- Jack, Thursday, May 23, 05:01:34pm (host-83-217-175-223.sta.dsl.vispa.com/83.217.175.223)
  - Because 4m for Stekkers is a steal and he is still young for a keeper. Value like that doesnt come up too often. Same reason why Spurs bought the French no 1 even though they had Friedle. (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 05:08:06pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
    - Plus we'll be getting most of the 4m back from the stockdale sale. (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 05:09:21pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
      - lol, no we wont. which club will pay money for stockdale if the likes of MS are on a free? (NT) -- by signing sket we kill our own goose, Thursday, May 23, 05:12:35pm (NoHost/2.30.135.56)
        
        Hull. Young good English GK's have a premium. Reckon we'll get �3m. (NT) -- White, Thursday, May 23, 05:16:26pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
- Oh dear someone better sit HC and especially Allboy down before breaking the news... (NT) -- WK, Thursday, May 23, 07:57:07pm (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
Poor Kid -- g, Thursday, May 23, 02:56:09pm (NoHost/79.97.112.169)
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/frimpong-undergoes-knee-surgery

Frimpong out for 2 months after injury sustained against Swansea

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- Gutted for him. Didn't want him to stay with us and glad we probably won't sign him now, but shame that a potentially good career is being ruined already. (NT) -- Ian, Thursday, May 23, 03:02:53pm (host-78-147-25-136.as13285.net/78.147.25.136)
- Arsene Wenger was talking about getting �6 million for him, wasn't he? (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 03:11:14pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
  - No way is he worth �6 million with his injury record (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 23, 03:47:30pm (host-2-103-124-135.as13285.net/2.103.124.135)
    - Ermmm I did't zee it, sorry. (NT) -- Arsen, Thursday, May 23, 03:54:45pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
- His knees appear to be like glass thats about the 3rd or 4th knee op he has had (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 04:05:28pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
  - Also isn't he out of contract on July 1st? Can't see him beginning his rehab with Arsenal! (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 04:06:52pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
    - You'd like to think they would seeing as he's been there since a kid and is Arsenal through and through. (NT) -- Spud, Thursday, May 23, 04:12:56pm (host81-138-67-137.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.138.67.137)
      - They might let him do his rehab there but give him a contract and pay for the specialists? Can't see it myself (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 07:44:03pm (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
Europa League Winners into Champions League -- FB2, Thursday, May 23, 02:53:37pm (uex-mail.theunderwritingexchange.com/62.6.186.242)
Thats an incentive....

Uefa will announce on Friday that the Europa League winners will get a place in the following season's Champions League from the 2015-16 season.

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- And then drop back into the Eiropa League when they come third in the group stages, no doubt. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 03:12:33pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
  - chuckle (NT) -- brother, Thursday, May 23, 05:20:33pm (client-86-29-180-17.brhm-bam-3.adsl.virginmedia.com/86.29.180.17)
- That's bizarre!! So the winners of a cup don't get to defend it! No more bizarre than failed teams from the Champs Lg dropping into the Europa. Massively devalues it (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Thursday, May 23, 03:14:46pm (97e0c37f.skybroadband.com/151.224.195.127)
  - If you win the Championship you don't defend your title, you get promoted to the Premiership. Don't see the problem. There's a clearl pecking order between the Europa and Champions League. (NT) -- No?, Thursday, May 23, 05:08:05pm (NoHost/137.122.64.59)
- if only that was the case in 2010... (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 03:53:38pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
Us and our rivals -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 01:05:38pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
in the 67 full seasons since the war, we have spent:
24 seasons in the top tier
26 seasons in the second tier
14 seasons in the third tier
3 seasons in the fourth tier
0 seasons in non-league

in the same period, Chelsea have spent:
58 seasons in the top tier
9 seasons in the second tier
0 seasons in the third tier
0 seasons in the fourth tier
0 seasons in the non league
14 seasons in the same division as us

in the same period, QPR have spent:
22 seasons in the top tier
25 seasons in the second tier
20 seasons in the third tier
0 seasons in the fourth tier
0 seasons in the non-league
9 seasons in the same division as us

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- So, 1) CFC, 2) FFC, 3) QPR.......simple no? (NT) -- Biff, Thursday, May 23, 01:27:59pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
  - Or CFC the annoying flashy older brother and QPR the younger spoilt little cry baby brat of a brother? (NT) -- Biff, Thursday, May 23, 01:30:23pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
- What about Brentford ? (NT) -- Dave L, Thursday, May 23, 01:35:09pm (myholds.demon.co.uk/80.177.16.190)
  - Stepbrother? (NT) -- ., Thursday, May 23, 01:40:31pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
    - illegitimate runt? -- Deep Si, Thursday, May 23, 06:15:44pm (cpc4-epso5-2-0-cust453.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/86.4.25.198)
- Chelsea can't be right. The divisions might be, but seasons we've played can't be only 14. We've had 14 in our recent stay in the top flight, played them at least a couple of seasons in the early 80's, and both clubs were in the top flight through most of the 60's. I reckon a minimum of 20 seasons since the war. probably closer to 30. Certainly way more than 14. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 23, 01:40:24pm (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
  - Sorry not 14 in the current run, 12. But still way more than 14 in total since the war. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 23, 01:41:10pm (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
    - I thought so too...I make 3 in the 50's, 8 in the 60's, 2 in the 70's and 3 in the 80's, so it's actually 28 in all. (NT) -- Pablo, Friday, May 24, 10:03:01am (b01bd849.bb.sky.com/176.27.216.73)
- Sorry been in the same division as Chelski 28 times (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 01:46:51pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
  - Yes, and this is why it is so amusing QPR delude themselves Chelsea are their rivals. We have met Chelsea many, many, more times in our history than they have. Just a pity we don't beat them much. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 02:05:25pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
- And if you go pre Second World War we move further ahead of QPR. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 02:02:22pm (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
- Re: Us and our rivals,thought it was 2 yrs in 4 ? (NT) -- m, Thursday, May 23, 02:23:53pm (05456732.skybroadband.com/5.69.103.50)
  - nope, relegated in '94 and promoted in '95, so '94/'95, '95/'96 and 96/97 all spent in the bottom division (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 03:59:18pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
    - i thought it was 2 as well...what does that mean ? (NT) -- Pablo, Thursday, May 23, 05:08:34pm (host81-155-136-172.range81-155.btcentralplus.com/81.155.136.172)
- Applications to be re-elected to the Football League :- Chelsea 0, Fulham 0, Q.P.R 2 (NT) -- DA, Thursday, May 23, 02:49:47pm (host-78-149-137-173.as13285.net/78.149.137.173)
  - I like........ (NT) -- Biff, Thursday, May 23, 03:33:09pm (NoHost/2.27.103.242)
Champions League -- Blf, Thursday, May 23, 01:04:03pm (432ob.scansafe.net/80.254.147.236)
Final in 2015 will be held in Olympic Stadium Berlin..brings back memories of the Hertha Berlin trip when the Stadium was like a building site.

Happy days..

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- According to a QPR fan on 606, they will be in it! (NT) -- Baird of Prey, Thursday, May 23, 01:07:27pm (host81-151-147-60.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.147.60)
- Got a cricket tour to Berlin CC this year, they play just outside the stadium. Loved that Hertha trip - thought it would be the only time we'd play in europe....plus the bitters lost to vauxhall motors that night (NT) -- woodman, Thursday, May 23, 01:23:48pm (outbound.citizensadvice.org.uk/80.40.144.68)
  - Bloody hell our last cricket tour was in Bournemouth. Would love the club to do a pre season friendly in Germany. Berlin was brilliant, we flew there twice for semi and final. It was worth going for the train station alone, incredible place. Great memories of beering it up on the trains to Hamburg (NT) -- TSW, Thursday, May 23, 02:53:15pm (NoHost/31.124.115.208)
    - Ours was Butlins in Bognor - but it was brilliant! We're lucky that my mate was there for a year so we've been out a few times and made contact. More than happy to set you up with contacts etc for 2014. (NT) -- woodman, Thursday, May 23, 05:08:19pm (dab-bas2-h-88-3.dab.02.net/82.132.217.142)
      - Cheers mate but was talking about Fulham, we're lucky to get ten people stay behind for a beer after cricket let alone tour to Germany, it would be great though (NT) -- TSW, Friday, May 24, 11:47:09am (NoHost/149.254.182.162)
- We'll be there, don't worry people... (NT) -- Alan, Thursday, May 23, 08:32:55pm (cpc23-seve20-2-0-cust249.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.104.250)
NFR: Help 4 Heroes T Shirt Day -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 08:40:19am (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
Stand up to terrorism and wear a Help for Heroes T-Shirt on the 14th of June. Buy one here Help 4 Heroes or Make your own or buy one down the market just wear one. Invite your friends, let's have the whole of the UK wearing Help for Heroes T-Shirts

There is a event on facebook Facebook Event go to it, sign up to show your support and invite your facebook friends. Let's get everyone in the UK into Help 4 Heroes T Shirts to show our solidarity against terrorism. They can't kill us all

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- Nothing socks it to militant Islam like all wearing the same t shirt, especially a home made one. (NT) -- South London White, Thursday, May 23, 08:51:56am (92.40.254.198.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.198)
  - Ha, quite. (NT) -- another rich, Thursday, May 23, 09:58:44am (NoHost/109.144.253.135)
- Fair play , good idea , I wonder if the lefty mods will delete this (NT) -- Old Fulham boy, Thursday, May 23, 08:58:22am (05443506.skybroadband.com/5.68.53.6)
  - Why would lefties, or indeed any sane human, not want to display contempt against terrorists? (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 23, 09:12:59am (NoHost/149.135.146.109)
- What I couldn't fathom last night was how come it took the Police 20 mins to turn up when the poor soldier was being hacked to death and less than 5 minutes when a group of spotty kids gathered outside a pub waving the flag of St George , why ? This country is fcuked, wearing t shirts won't make a blind bit of difference , Enoch Powell predicted 50 years ago that their would be "blood on the streets" and he was derided ! -- POPW, Thursday, May 23, 09:02:46am (host86-155-25-74.range86-155.btcentralplus.com/86.155.25.74)
- As much as I'd like to get behind this and wholeheartedly agree with the 'Help for Heroes' message, It's struck me last night that as I've got 5 kids and a wife to look after I don't really want to stick a target on my back for the those religious mentals out there.......I do however wear one of those rubber braclet things and have donated. (NT) -- Nutz, Thursday, May 23, 09:03:37am (79.141.36.40.available.above.net/79.141.36.40)
  - What next, you won't be wearing a poppy in November ? -- POPW, Thursday, May 23, 09:10:37am (host86-155-25-74.range86-155.btcentralplus.com/86.155.25.74)
    - November? Most people start wearing them in September these days (NT) -- Everybody Lies, Thursday, May 23, 09:16:14am (host86-148-68-216.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.68.216)
  - Nutz each to his own, I have 3 children also and it may be remiss of me but they will be wearing their Help 4 Heroes t shirts also, as Edmund Burke famously said ""�All it takes for evil to succeed is for a few good men to do nothing...� (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 23, 09:11:17am (cpc6-haye18-2-0-cust939.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.139.172)
    - Very very well said , and very very true. -- POPW, Thursday, May 23, 09:25:57am (host86-155-25-74.range86-155.btcentralplus.com/86.155.25.74)
- I'll wear my "Wear Red on Fridays" T shirt as usual... >> https://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/Support-Our-Troops-Wear-Red-Fridays/188809874489323 << I will not support H4H, purely for their political misuse of charitable donations. (NT) -- BB, Thursday, May 23, 09:25:40am (80-46-46-74.static.dsl.as9105.com/80.46.46.74)
- I have tried to stay away from this subject on TIFF but I cannot any longer. We were all born into a free society. So many now take freedom for granted but are not prepared to stand up to defend it. Nutz - Do you not think that parents, grandparents and going back further didn't fear for their children mate? It is natural and fully expected of a fully concerned and responsible parent. The wearing of a T shirt is a very small but significant step to show your support without much fear of danger. I am 100% behind Pickn on this issue and will get a T shirt from that site. It is interesting seeing some old footage from Nazi Germany that there was a strong feeling amongst many Germans that they tolerate Hitler because he was no threat. With the wisdom of hindsight many wished they had resisted to stop a homicidal maniac from affecting their lives for generations of their families (NT) -- Spigs, Thursday, May 23, 10:49:53am (87-194-62-232.bethere.co.uk/87.194.62.232)
  - I agree. I will certainly lend my support to it. Living in Shepehrd's Bush will make me watch my back though due to the masses of muslims now filling the area. It is no coincidence I am trying to move away, out of London if possible due to the general overcrowding. (NT) -- Biff, Thursday, May 23, 10:55:26am (NoHost/80.79.208.19)
    - Biff making a stand against muslim infiltration by, well, moving away from it. What we are seeing today is the result of years of liberal policy and the left's 'ooooh you can't say that' attitude. As for buying a T shirt, I'm sure the sentiment is there, but anybody who thinks that buying a T shirt is going to make any difference whatsoever is deluded. (NT) -- South London White, Thursday, May 23, 11:00:44am (92.40.254.198.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.198)
      - Couldn't agree more with your second line. Absolutely spot on. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 23, 11:05:16am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
        
        In isolation it doesn't do anything true. But as another statement of support it all adds to the whole. (NT) -- bs, Thursday, May 23, 11:58:47am (dab-crx1-h-68-6.dab.02.net/82.132.226.133)
        
        His second line, not his third.... (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 23, 01:46:06pm (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
      - Worse ,it's the result of allowing generations of pakistanis and bangleshis to import the marriage partners from their home villages.Well over 90 per cent. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 11:52:09am (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        Tiff rule #352 - when Alanos starts making up statistics, everyone should back away from the argument and get back to football. (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 23, 12:05:38pm (113-61-70-93.static.nsw.dsl.net.au/113.61.70.93)
        
        Ok I'll look on the net and try to find the exact figure for the number of Pakistani brits who import their spouses.And then I'll come back and rub your complacent incredulous nose in it. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 12:16:43pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        Alanos. Let me save you some time. 2 head cases of african descent who do a terrible thing, that event is not related to legitimate immigrants who married as has been custom for 1,000's of years. These are eventuations only linked by the fact that the psychos were extremists, who clearly do not understand why any God should be just, for a religion which Pakistanis and Bangladeshi's may or may not follow. (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 23, 12:44:33pm (113-61-70-93.static.nsw.dsl.net.au/113.61.70.93)
        
        Do grow up.For these people Jihad IS God's justice.Can you not get your head round that ? (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 12:50:58pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        And let me give you another statistic.After thr London tube and bus bombings opinion polls found 6 percent of uk muslims (that's over 100,000 people were fully in support of the bombers,this in spit e of two of their victims being muslim. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 12:55:59pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        Let me give you another statistic. Ninety nine percent of people who use this messageboard probably think you need help. And possibly a similar figure for me. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 23, 01:00:59pm (02dacabe.bb.sky.com/2.218.202.190)
        Don't be ridiculous you, unless they polled the entire Muslim population of the UK you cannot extrapolate that figure. You quote no basis on how the poll was condcted and what and who the representative sample was. Just like conducting a poll asking only Peyton about whether Jol should be sacked or Alboy whether Fulham were doing well. You would get a very polarised and non scientific result (NT) -- ..., Thursday, May 23, 01:19:06pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
        
        Jesus wept, I'm quoting figures found by scientificly conducted polls done by huge opinion poll companies.Are you denying the validity of all polls,or just those where you don't like the results. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 01:42:37pm (92.41.251.212.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.212)
        
        Most opinion polls IMO are shit especially telephone ones. Expect like many that I have never actually been asked. But on this specific one who did the poll , how was it done and were only males asked for as you very well know many muslim women are behind the burka and would not respond to being approached. Again as you know opinion polls are always doen with a plus or minus allowance what was the variance on this one then? (NT) -- ....., Thursday, May 23, 02:14:51pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
        
        I don't know exactlyhow it was conducted ,........., but I've an inkling it wouldn't have been beyond the wit of the pollsters to use muslim women (maybe even wearing burkas) to poll other muslim women. What do you think? (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 02:53:14pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        'fully supported the bombers' ?! Surely that has got to be totally untrue. You can't just quote such a mad thing without a link to the polling company (I'd be very interested to find out where it did come from) (NT) -- Pablo, Thursday, May 23, 05:14:34pm (host81-155-136-172.range81-155.btcentralplus.com/81.155.136.172)
        Ha ha. I've googled it ! It was a Daily Telegraph survey ! Need I say more. Fucking evil twats. (NT) -- Pablo, Thursday, May 23, 05:22:12pm (host81-155-136-172.range81-155.btcentralplus.com/81.155.136.172)
        
        The daily telegraph don't DO opinion polls ,themselves.They employ reputable polling firms.It may be they were less inhibited than say the guardian on publishing the results.It is really a pathetic conspiracy if you think they would 'fake' the poll results for ideological reasons.Perhaps you also support lord Nazi Ahmad's contention he was convicted because of a jewish conspiracy. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 07:46:36pm (92.41.251.200.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.200)
        
        You and I have had this discussion already. The posters above have rightly pointed out that those results are only valid within the sample. No doubt you'll shout me down again for pointing this out, but I genuinely would like to see this article to which you always refer. Somewhere within the text will be a summary of how the survey was conducted. Most of the surveys I've seen in papers say something like "Populus contacted 1,471 people on July 7th and 8th and asked 'Do you think David Cameron is a competent PM?' The results are presented in this article". Quick and dirty with no extrapolation, just something to base a story on. The results cannot by any rational measure be said to be representative of the whole population. In short, such results should be treated with extreme caution unless full details of the survey methodology has been disclosed. (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, May 24, 08:06:26am (host-2-102-68-175.as13285.net/2.102.68.175)
        
        So for Pablo the 'fucking evil twats' aren't the 6 percent by the Daily Telegraph for reporting their views.Absolutely typical. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, May 24, 07:51:30am (92.41.251.240.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.240)
        
        A big part of growing up is pragmatism IMO. This has happened in every single attempt to integrate different groups of humans ever. Whenever you see the effects of immigration it goes the same, distrust, discrimination, violence. In every situation like the around he World, Mexicans in Texas, Chechneyans, gypsies, Jews in Eastern Europe (or anywhere really), there are people who want to fight against change and people who want to embrace change and do the best you can with it. There will always be a groundswell behind people's fear of change. That's why you get leaders who create atrocities to minorities, human nature makes us turn a blind eye to an extent. You cannot hold back Human Social Evolution, it happens no matter who is in the way, and whenever we look back we see either people like Hitler and people like Ghandi (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 23, 01:16:59pm (113-61-70-93.static.nsw.dsl.net.au/113.61.70.93)
        
        Go and spout your sententious drivel to the persecuted Christians of Pakistan.Muslims don't want to live in a multicultural society .They want to live in a muslim monoculture.Apart from anything else that's why Pakistan came into existence.Jinnah and the Indian muslim leadership wouldn't tolerate being a minority in mainly Hindu Indian democracy.The muslim population in the Uk have to put up with infidels for the sake of getting their fingers into the infidels pockets ,through the welfare state. Less woolly bullshit ,posing as pragmatism ,and more realism please. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 02:01:48pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        
        Some of that I agree with over intolerance but your views on partition are simplistic to say the least . India was created out of a whole series of independent states by us. So come the end of Empire , just like with Africa there were a whole load of artifical boundaries. Leaving it as it was would have created a religious apartheid and a slaughter. The slaughter happenned anyway due to mass migration and again when West and East Pakistan went to war with each other . In terms of scroungers not an exlcusively religious thing just look at Jeremy Kyle show audience (NT) -- ......, Thursday, May 23, 02:29:57pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
        
        All the time or just 84.9%? (NT) -- Everybody Lies, Thursday, May 23, 12:16:51pm (host86-148-68-216.range86-148.btcentralplus.com/86.148.68.216)
        The figure came from labour mp Anne Cryer who said that in many communities in Bradfordthe figure was over 90per cent.If you think the figure over the rest of england is lower ,you find the evidence.I have looked but can't find a global figure for Pakistanis in uk. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 12:46:46pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
        The figure came from labour mp Anne Cryer who said that in many communities in Bradfordthe figure was over 90per cent.If you think the figure over the rest of england is lower ,you find the evidence.I have looked but can't find a global figure for Pakistanis in uk. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 23, 12:47:01pm (host86-145-200-153.range86-145.btcentralplus.com/86.145.200.153)
Spurs -- Chris, Wednesday, May 22, 09:00:24pm (cpc12-cbly5-2-0-cust109.6-2.cable.virginmedia.com/86.27.230.110)
I met a Spurs season ticket holder today and he saw the Fulham badge on my keys. When I said 'You knicked our superstars'. He said 'well, one superstar'. I said I'd heard a lot of you don't like Dempsey. He Said when you watch a player every week you realise how poor they are. He drifted off into a rant about Scott Parker and how crap he is. I got him back to Dempsey by saying he'd scored a few goals for them and he grudgingly agreed but wouldn't budge on how much he didn't like him.
sadly I felt much the same when he was with us. Some fantastic goals. Lots of drifting in and out. I wasn't outraged when I went to Hamburg and he was on the bench. I loved him last year when he had the season of his life and it warms me to know he treated us like a big time Charlie and now he'll never better last year. I feel all smug n smirky about that. I couldn't care less about how much money he earns now. Finally no I don't want him back because without Murphy playing him in all the time he won't score that many.

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- Don't agree. He has some great atributes, especially the 'being in the right place at the right time' one, he is strong, good in the air, tough, good ball control, good finisher, never injured. Spurs fans are berks. (NT) -- White, Wednesday, May 22, 09:06:17pm (host-2-96-239-163.as13285.net/2.96.239.163)
- Lots of drifting in and out. Yeah, you do that when you score 23 goals in one season. Dempsey was superb for us for 5 years. (NT) -- Jim, Wednesday, May 22, 09:07:18pm (NoHost/194.62.232.126)
  - Balls, in and out is exactly what he was, apart from last season, apart from last season as Chris says. Would frequently destroy our shape and balance. (NT) -- Travelex, Wednesday, May 22, 09:13:38pm (NoHost/85.237.211.81)
- Totally disagree. Personally I loved Clint from day 1. Wonderful all-round player, and to gibe him his due he said from day 1 with us that one day he wanted to play Champs Lg football. Ok so it hasn't worked out this season, but you cannot begrudge him leaving a small-ish club in search of bigger dreams. Moreover you wont see another attacking midfielder score 23 goals for Fulham in the top flight if you live as long as Yoda (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Wednesday, May 22, 09:41:36pm (97e0c37f.skybroadband.com/151.224.195.127)
- Your mate seems completely clueless. (NT) -- Dear oh dear, Wednesday, May 22, 09:54:23pm (bas16-ottawa23-1096739900.dsl.bell.ca/65.94.236.60)
- Lets be honest, as a midfielder in the Prem he's limited & very one paced. As a poacher from midfield, however, he had an uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time & his goals changed matches. After his acrimonious behaviour, however, no chance of him coming back - so thanks for the memories but not the exit. (NT) -- Cotgetator, Wednesday, May 22, 11:06:56pm (cpc4-lea22-2-0-cust101.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.252.102)
- Just for the record. Clint wanted to stay but the club made him no new contract until it was too late. (NT) -- Pork Pie, Thursday, May 23, 08:38:02am (cpc31-lanc6-2-0-cust106.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com/86.26.75.107)
- I rated Clints ability to pop up and change a game. However, his goal record is somewhat skewed byt he fact that he played a large amount of games as a centre forward or just off the forward. We'll struggle to ever see a midfielder score that many top flight goals again... (NT) -- Jim�, Thursday, May 23, 09:14:24am (NoHost/91.84.234.86)
- A very, very good player. Just not suited to Spurs' style. Most football fans don't know the game, so not surprised by your acquaintance's remarks. But his attitude last summer suggests he is a deeply flawed character, so we are best rid. (NT) -- Marcus James, Thursday, May 23, 09:58:54am (NoHost/82.108.140.98)
- Comical.......he's American and he tried his hand at a larger club.....hence, why he's despised here. For someone to say Clint is "poor" is ridiculous. After watching 90% of Fulham's matches this season and he would have helped immensely. Spurs fans are also, quite arguably, the most self entitled fans in the League. (NT) -- dstriker, Thursday, May 23, 01:41:47pm (NoHost/12.5.86.163)
  - Why would he be despised because he is American? The problem is with the way he was perceived to have conducted himself. We will probably never get to the bottom of it. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 23, 05:35:50pm (02dacabe.bb.sky.com/2.218.202.190)
Anyone in the Woolwich area confirm or deny any of this? -- Peyton, Wednesday, May 22, 04:16:06pm (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3603/major_incident_in_south_london_with_reports_of_shootings_and_a_beheading

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- The only thing I can confrim is its Jol's fault (NT) -- FF, Wednesday, May 22, 04:25:06pm (host-92-26-8-23.as13285.net/92.26.8.23)
  - confrim? whatever that means (NT) -- FF, Wednesday, May 22, 04:26:50pm (host-92-26-8-23.as13285.net/92.26.8.23)
  - Yeah very good mate, this is a bit serious though, a man decapitated by blokes who first ran him down with their car and then those two shot by Police. In London FFS. (NT) -- Peyton, Wednesday, May 22, 04:30:45pm (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
    - I agree, it is serious... but I couldn't resist :) The weird thing is I know a female armed police officer and texted her about it.. she's off today thankfully so she doesn't know much. Sounds mental though. (NT) -- FF, Wednesday, May 22, 04:39:10pm (host-92-26-8-23.as13285.net/92.26.8.23)
      - Fair dos, you put yourself up there you gotta expect to get some back. Glad your friend is ok (NT) -- Peyton, Wednesday, May 22, 04:41:06pm (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
- front page - Telegraph - serious incident (NT) -- ken.v, Wednesday, May 22, 04:29:45pm (NoHost/2.25.86.163)
- Victim wearing a help for hero t shirt and only one of the attackers shot by armed police - the other one fired a revolver which exploded taking off his finger - allegedly (NT) -- Nick (Owen), Wednesday, May 22, 04:35:16pm (05418c6b.skybroadband.com/5.65.140.107)
- http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-major-incident-live-updates-1904508 (NT) -- Peyton, Wednesday, May 22, 04:36:30pm (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
- Friggin hell Sky News saying it cant show pictures because its too gruesome. Must be bad (NT) -- Peyton, Wednesday, May 22, 04:42:05pm (host86-169-37-83.range86-169.btcentralplus.com/86.169.37.83)
- ill wait for the pics and videos on liveleak (NT) -- silver fox, Wednesday, May 22, 04:50:12pm (NoHost/213.120.90.59)
- watching BBC news now,shocking! it has to be polictally motivated. (NT) -- Dr Pheobes, Wednesday, May 22, 05:25:54pm (NoHost/212.183.128.215)
  - Bastards! I fear so much for the future of this country. Is all this working........I fear not. It is like a pressure cooker to me waiting to explode. (NT) -- Biff (If you can not work it out then sorry I will not comment further)., Wednesday, May 22, 06:26:29pm (NoHost/2.30.104.152)
- Re: Anyone in the Woolwich area confirm or deny any of this? -- Bindons right Hander, Wednesday, May 22, 06:40:50pm (node-23w.pool-180-180.dynamic.totbb.net/180.180.10.172)
- The footage from ITV is the most shocking ... "In our land our Women have to see the same. You people will never be safe". http://order-order.com/2013/05/22/watch-itv-footage-of-terrorist-attack-aftermath/ (NT) -- Stannard's rusty trombone, Wednesday, May 22, 07:24:59pm (host86-144-222-130.range86-144.btcentralplus.com/86.144.222.130)
  - What I can't understand is, why are people filming it??? (NT) -- Alan, Wednesday, May 22, 07:45:53pm (cpc23-seve20-2-0-cust249.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.104.250)
    - Sick............truly. (NT) -- Biff, Wednesday, May 22, 07:52:30pm (NoHost/2.30.104.152)
    - Evidence for the Police I would hazard a guess at (NT) -- Balti, Wednesday, May 22, 11:47:39pm (proxy1-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.15)
      - They'll use that as an excuse, but, I doubt it... (NT) -- Alan, Thursday, May 23, 08:55:53pm (cpc23-seve20-2-0-cust249.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.104.250)
  - "In our land...." Say the African cunt with a London accent. He's never been to any of the afflicted countries (NT) -- Balti, Wednesday, May 22, 11:39:31pm (proxy1-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.15)
- Its not "terrorism" just Muslim's trying to rule the streets. They didn't even run off. They think they own the place. (NT) -- PT, Wednesday, May 22, 08:13:27pm (host86-186-168-13.range86-186.btcentralplus.com/86.186.168.13)
  - Muslim's trying to rule the streets? Are there only two Muslim's in London? (NT) -- Polecat, Wednesday, May 22, 08:28:30pm (xdsl-78-34-231-34.netcologne.de/78.34.231.34)
    - it is becoming patently clear that this atrocity has been carried out in the name of Allah. there will be fear on the streets of London. will there be a repeat incident/s? there have been many incidents in Tower Hamlets where Muslim vigilantes have tried imposing sharia on "their" streets. you should add to the debate instead of having a sly dig from afar. (NT) -- ignaciius, Wednesday, May 22, 08:44:50pm (dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net/82.132.228.222)
      - Just because they say it's in the name of Allah, doesn't mean that all Muslims will agree. See also - The EDL saying that something is in the name of all English people. Just because a couple of nut jobs say it, doesn't make it true... (NT) -- Alan, Thursday, May 23, 09:00:28pm (cpc23-seve20-2-0-cust249.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.104.250)
  - It's a shame that it takes something like this for you to respond so quickly Paul. To think that you were the inspiration of this board once ... (NT) -- anstie, Wednesday, May 22, 09:31:59pm (68.36.112.87.dyn.plus.net/87.112.36.68)
    - So quickly? 7 hours after the attack? What you really mean is that you hate my views more than the killers. Just say it. (NT) -- PT, Wednesday, May 22, 10:06:08pm (host86-186-168-13.range86-186.btcentralplus.com/86.186.168.13)
      - Paul - don't see why you should justify your views to some of the people on here! You're a decent guy and I'm sure that, like the majority of people are feeling nothing but sympathy for the victim and his family. (NT) -- Pete, Wednesday, May 22, 10:21:31pm (host86-143-123-18.range86-143.btcentralplus.com/86.143.123.18)
      - You've lost the plot mate. (NT) -- Pablo, Wednesday, May 22, 10:45:30pm (b01bd849.bb.sky.com/176.27.216.73)
        
        From this exchange, please explain why, or where Paul has 'lost the plot'. Or, having one opinion is valid, and having another is an indication of plot losing? (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 23, 01:59:31pm (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
        
        One reason only, hecause he came on here thinking that he would find us lefties defending the murderers. (NT) -- Pablo, Friday, May 24, 09:46:55am (b01bd849.bb.sky.com/176.27.216.73)
        
        And he's not wrong, in some cases! So how's he lost the plot? (NT) -- GBLB, Friday, May 24, 09:54:59am (31-221-55-162.cust-31.exponential-e.net/31.221.55.162)
    - So you don't feel the outrage that every one else feels, but would rather use it to take a pop at Paul. Strange (NT) -- Balti, Wednesday, May 22, 11:45:14pm (proxy1-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.15)

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