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What an angry, conceited and bitter man that young Roy Keane is. -- Rob, Friday, November 20, 09:44:37pm (86.173.211.13)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8370497.stm

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- As a player he was a winner, not as good manager though. Keane is my favourite player of all time. The FAI didn't match his high ambitions and he has a point Trappatoni (SP?) should have berated his players for letting the ball bounce in the six yard box and not playiong to the whistle. (NT) -- Charlie J, Friday, November 20, 10:12:15pm (82.34.144.108)
Martins 'skint' on Ł75,000 a week -- Times is hard!, Friday, November 20, 08:51:33pm (79.73.114.159)
Former Newcastle United striker Obafemi Martins was broke despite earning Ł75,000 a week, a High Court judge has been told.

Martins was "constantly overdrawn" and regularly blew Ł40,000 in a weekend before withdrawing another Ł25,000 on Monday, the court heard.

The 25-year-old is being sued by his former agent, Chris Nathaniel, whose company NVA claims it managed every aspect of his life and gave him cash advances.

NVA say he owes a Ł284,000 fee plus interest for managing his finances and other areas, and used Nathaniel in what Judge Richard Seymour QC described as "a Jeeves role".

Martins signed the a lucrative Ł75,000-a-week contract when he joined Newcastle from Internazionale for Ł10 million in 2006.

Robert Tennink, the lawyer representing NVA, told the High Court in London: "Despite earning these vast sums of money he was constantly overdrawn."

Martins, now of German champions Wolfsburg, owned a multi-million pound mansion in Darras Hall, Northumbria and rented a luxury flat on Newcastle's Quayside. He also had several high-performance cars.

The striker is fighting the claim. He was not in court on Thursday and the hearing is scheduled to last for three days.

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- Those eternal youth potions must cost a fortune. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 08:54:18pm (144.132.145.203)
- How did he manage to spend 40k in a weekend when until 5pm on a saturday or possibly sunday he was preparing to or playing football? (NT) -- Interested, Friday, November 20, 09:54:16pm (80.229.48.86)
- Apart from Martins' own (ahem ) habits, what I like about this story is that the agents suing him "managed every aspect of his life and gave him cash advances....... and.say he owes a Ł284,000 fee plus interest for managing his finances"! (NT) -- Times is hard, Friday, November 20, 10:09:28pm (79.73.114.159)
nfr - music -- danny, Friday, November 20, 08:38:53pm (79.76.71.191)
if anyone wants to listen and give feedback to a song i've just finished i'd be delighted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D37-Ebd_HqM

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- I like it mate. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 08:47:14pm (144.132.145.203)
- Really good..reminds me of some Rjd2 stuff. (NT) -- theresonlyonesteviemilton, Friday, November 20, 08:51:41pm (81.35.62.114)
  - funny you should say that. my friend introduced me to his music today for the first time (NT) -- danny, Friday, November 20, 09:20:47pm (79.76.71.191)
    - All his music will be right up your street..youll love it. The `Since We Last Spoke` album is exceptional..should be on itunes (NT) -- theresonlyonesteviemilton, Friday, November 20, 09:37:00pm (81.35.62.114)
- You might enjoy this site. Has the top 99 most blogged songs and also different genres. Only found it today and it seems great so far, take a look. http://wearehunted.com/ (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 09:50:04pm (144.132.145.203)
- cheers for the suggestions guys. i don't normally make that type of music, i'm normally stick to rap (NT) -- danny, Friday, November 20, 09:52:10pm (79.76.71.191)
anyone know of a good away pub for tomorrow,coyw -- vince, Friday, November 20, 08:22:36pm (81.157.49.92)

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- The Wellington on Bennetts Hill is a great pub, as is the Old Joint Stock (just behind Wellington in the direction of Snow Hill station) (NT) -- DigglyDan, Friday, November 20, 08:27:03pm (82.44.163.161)
Beer tip of the day -- HC, Friday, November 20, 08:21:02pm (90.193.197.153)
Hoegaarden currently working out at Ł1 a bottle at Sainsbury if you buy 2 x 4 packs. Which is nice.

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- Geoff Stelling will be delighted... (NT) -- kbb, Friday, November 20, 10:01:55pm (92.251.163.164)
- er....i mean jeff....i blame Horsfield (NT) -- kbb, Friday, November 20, 10:03:07pm (92.251.163.164)
New FFC fan arrives.... -- Dutch, Friday, November 20, 06:32:43pm (86.149.196.51)
Born yesterday - the rather tiny (6lb 2oz!) Annabel Grace.

Sleep deprivation here we come! (again)

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- Congratulations (NT) -- DET, Friday, November 20, 06:46:24pm (82.132.139.77)
- Congrats. (NT) -- AM, Friday, November 20, 06:50:25pm (91.104.75.220)
- Congratulations, Dutch! A perfect excuse to have a browse of the "Babywear" section of the new Fulham catalogue (or use the link inside)! -- My Left Foot, Friday, November 20, 07:07:11pm (193.113.48.7)
- ...many congratulations to you and Jenni, sleepness nights are nothing by comparison to supporting Fulham! Hope mother and daughter are doing well, best wishes from Sue, Harry and myself... (NT) -- LBNo11, Friday, November 20, 07:09:46pm (82.43.163.174)
  - Cheers Ed. Youd think at 46 Id know why it keeps happening, but still none the wiser..... (NT) -- Dutch, Friday, November 20, 08:19:59pm (86.149.196.51)
- Congratulations Dutch & Family -- Si, Friday, November 20, 07:32:56pm (80.42.5.75)
- Many congrats. (NT) -- Barry E, Friday, November 20, 07:37:26pm (82.68.230.222)
- Congratulations. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:40:26pm (89.101.95.229)
- Congrats and what a great name for a daughter! We have an Annabelle! (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 07:45:21pm (67.81.73.121)
- It's great we like good news! (NT) -- Noah, Friday, November 20, 08:02:01pm (86.140.180.249)
- Fantastic (NT) -- Cottager, Friday, November 20, 08:08:48pm (173.65.252.21)
- empathise with the sleep deprevation. Ours is 6 weeks old now ... doing very well but hungry every 3 hours. Congrats mate & it's obviously not your first ... so brave man!! (Decided we're only having the one) -- HC, Friday, November 20, 08:09:17pm (90.193.197.153)
  - (Can't grumble too much as she's currently sleeping nicely through a beer & singstar on the PS3 session!) -- HC, Friday, November 20, 08:11:24pm (90.193.197.153)
  - (Decided we're only having the one) ................ famous last words. (NT) -- Barry E, Friday, November 20, 08:47:19pm (82.68.230.222)
    - Aha ... I know a nice surgical procedure that means there's only going to be one! -- HC, Friday, November 20, 10:11:28pm (90.193.197.153)
- You pre ordered the FFC babygro RIGHT?! (NT) -- Dill, Friday, November 20, 09:00:22pm (80.4.203.18)
- Congratulations ....... I think you've managed to change Children in Need to Parents in Need! (NT) -- Senior Supporter, Friday, November 20, 09:05:23pm (86.147.150.7)
NFR - GEORGIA WANT A REPLAY!! -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 06:25:30pm (144.132.145.203)

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- Bit late. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 06:27:40pm (89.101.95.229)
- Think your a funny man don't you? (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 06:33:15pm (89.101.95.229)
  - I thought the thread title was, yes. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 06:38:22pm (144.132.145.203)
    - Well I laughed. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 06:43:39pm (89.101.95.229)
- Something else that makes me smile is the inevitability of Ireland and France being drawn together in the same Euro qualification group. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 06:56:46pm (144.132.145.203)
- WTF? I don't understand. What was that given for? (NT) -- AM, Friday, November 20, 07:01:09pm (91.104.75.220)
- Why was a penalty given? -- Si, Friday, November 20, 07:01:42pm (80.42.5.75)
  - A conspiracy to get Ireland to the playoffs probably. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:14:23pm (144.132.145.203)
    - More deserving to be at the World Cup than New Zealand. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:24:24pm (89.101.95.229)
      - Inside. -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:26:40pm (144.132.145.203)
        
        I don't understand you response. It's a fact that New Zealand should be no where near the World Cup finals. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:28:16pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        Boo hoo! -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:29:08pm (144.132.145.203)
        
        You are still not making any sense. Hope the sun out in Australia hasn't gone to your head. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:31:12pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        Bitter much? -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:32:20pm (144.132.145.203)
        
        Bitter toward the French, yes I am. Not toward New Zealand but it's just a fact that they were in a joke of a qualifying group. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:33:41pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        Click here (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:34:39pm (144.132.145.203)
        I've played that game already and it's funny. You are not making any points at all. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:36:04pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        L'OL! (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:36:50pm (144.132.145.203)
        
        Drivel. Your just trying to wind me up and it's not working. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 07:37:52pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        I was just trying to have a laugh with this thread mate. You didn't have to take it personally. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, November 20, 07:40:51pm (144.132.145.203)
        
        So were Ireland. The best team they beat in qualifying was Cyprus. Ireland did no more to deserve their qualifying spot than New Zealand. (NT) -- Dougie, Friday, November 20, 07:42:24pm (78.105.149.240)
- Re: NFR - GEORGIA WANT A REPLAY!! -- Hand of allah - It was a hand ball, Friday, November 20, 07:25:22pm (92.40.102.172)
- Clearly handball (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 07:46:35pm (67.81.73.121)
For those who may be interested -- Southfield White, Friday, November 20, 06:24:51pm (86.179.154.102)
Dear Sir/Madam,

This is an appeal by the Stirling Albion Supporters Trust to genuine
football fans. All football fans are proud of their individual teams but
there are times when hard times come along and fans are forced to stand
up and be counted.
Stirling Albion Football Club are struggling with
debts at the moment which could threaten to put the club out of
business. The Supporters Trust has decided to try to raise money to buy
the club from the present Chairman who is in his 80's. Details can be
found on the website www.buystirlingalbion.org.uk .

We are appealing to any fans who would like to pay their Ł40 ( Ł35
returnable if we fail ) to become members and part owners of the club.
Please make Stirling Albion your second club and help us buy the club
for the fans.

We have e-mailed yourself to appeal to you to put this on your website/forum.

If you have any questions, please e-mail me back.

Thank you in Advance.

The Buystirlingalbion Campaign Team.

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- irrelevant scottish team, will be the first of many to go tits up, no great loss (NT) -- jhj, Friday, November 20, 07:06:36pm (93.186.20.171)
  - A real charmer! (NT) -- Anstie, Friday, November 20, 07:23:34pm (88.203.61.212)
- There is some deep irony in Scotsmen asking us English to get them out of debt when a notorious group of Scotsmen have been responsible for putting us English into massive debt. (NT) -- Surrey Fulham, Friday, November 20, 08:31:37pm (82.44.84.141)
Hansson - Life must go on -- Peyton, Friday, November 20, 05:59:35pm (217.44.95.108)
Referee Martin Hansson has broken his silence over the Republic of Ireland's controversial World Cup play-off by declaring that 'life must go on'.

Despite the horrendous gaffe reports suggest that Hansson is still in line to be named among Fifa's list of referees for the World Cup in South Africa.

If true will obviously get the games where FIFA need a certain result.......Allegedly.

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- To be honest, if the ref didn't see it (and he may well not have done), he's hardly done anything wrong. Not like that twat who sent Nevland off in Rome! (NT) -- Chesh, Friday, November 20, 06:04:19pm (80.176.93.177)
- Thought he looked a competent ref myself and for 99% of the game reffed it well. I don't think he can be held accountable for Henry's handball. The Asst Ref should have seen it but did not so the goal and therefore the result stands. -- Si, Friday, November 20, 06:05:13pm (80.42.5.75)
  - That's football right? It might be be fair but its why we have referees and not robots. (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 07:48:11pm (67.81.73.121)
    - Exactly - if football goes down the video ref etc then it will turn into more of a joke than it already is. People will say that football is more entertaining these days but sometimes, many times, give me the jumpers for goalposts era as it was so much more innocent then -- Si, Friday, November 20, 08:14:01pm (80.42.5.75)
- The game should not be replayed but surely there should be some repercussion for Henry. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 06:12:35pm (89.101.95.229)
- Moments before Henry did that i said to my mate "The ref has been superb tonight", shame he ruined it. -- AF, Friday, November 20, 06:16:35pm (86.10.117.37)
  - He did well with the Anelka dive to not give a penalty and, despite what the players are saying, I don't think it's his fault. No one person (or even 3) can see everything from every angle on a football pitch. There will always be bodies in the way. I'd have liked to see him ask Henry.... at least then we wouldn't have to listen to his nauseating "It's not up to me, it's the ref's fault" bull. Or they should use video evidence. It wouldn't be perfect... but it would be less imperfect than what we've got now. What I really hate is this player culture of "don't expect us not to cheat, blame the referee for not catching us" I'm not surprised by it but I hate their hypocrisy. Stop blaming the ref boys... he didn't cheat. (NT) -- Hand of Frog, Friday, November 20, 06:22:23pm (79.70.108.172)
- Video 'evidence' will kill the game quicker than anything. There wouldn't be this debate for a start. Controversy is everything in football. (NT) -- Doodles, Friday, November 20, 07:43:08pm (94.6.127.1)
Henry admits a replay would be fair. -- Peyton, Friday, November 20, 05:43:02pm (217.44.95.108)
He went on to say that Nelson should get his eye back, Glenn Miller should be found and that cheque really is in the post.

Easy to say things that you know aren't going to happen but that might possibly save your public image isn't it.

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- It's so blatant a PR stunt it's embarrassing isn't it? Think he might have been better off if he'd kept schtum. Or not been born in the first place (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 05:49:03pm (86.178.229.174)
  - As I said earlier it is a blatant PR stunt and you are right Henry should have kept his mouth shut but his/Gillette etc PR teams would have said otherwise. I can't agree that I wish Henry had never been born though as he was, without doubt, one of the finest strikers to grace these shores in many a year. An outstanding talent and one I enjoyed watching (except against us). Blistering pace teamed up with great skill, talent and a natural ability. Would rather watch one Henry than Ten Drogba's for example -- Si, Friday, November 20, 05:53:43pm (80.42.5.75)
    - Yes he was sublime at his peak, no doubt. That last bit part anti le arse spite and part lack of sleep crossness. Thing is though, while he was very good at le arse, he always had something distinctly unlikable about him. Still, he's booked himself a summer in the country that invented arrogant front bottoms, so surely he'll get what's his while he's there. Quite amusing to think, all those Irish arsewipes fans, who profited from his being a cheating twat so many times, bet they're confused right now! (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 05:58:39pm (86.178.229.174)
- Wenger has now chipped in saying this as well...funnily enough after FIFA said there was no chance of it happening. (NT) -- theresonlyonesteviemilton, Friday, November 20, 07:35:44pm (81.35.62.114)
Car parking tomorrow -- Chesh, Friday, November 20, 05:40:47pm (80.176.93.177)
I've been to Brum a few times, and know the locals aren't always the friendliest.

Having never driven though, and needing to tomorrow, can anyone suggest from experience which of the various local car parks or side streets are best for parking?

Ta

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- Leave your car near St Andrews, are you trying to lose it? (NT) -- Peyton, Friday, November 20, 05:44:05pm (217.44.95.108)
- As you've been before, I'm sure you know about having to go through the big gates and then walking through the car park to the turnstiles, I believe that car park is designated for away fans. (NT) -- DigglyDan, Friday, November 20, 05:46:12pm (82.44.163.161)
  - I haven't been since the coaches got bricked when we drew 2-2 (under Bracewell), and previous to that it was before the ground had been redeveloped, and so I can't remember to be honest. I did read about that car-park, but just thought it might not be the best place to leave the car. Paranoid i know!! (NT) -- Chesh, Friday, November 20, 06:01:50pm (80.176.93.177)
    - You have to go through huge iron gates (where stewards will check your ticket) and only away fans go through that car park. Getting away will take a little longer but safer. (NT) -- DigglyDan, Friday, November 20, 06:15:58pm (82.44.163.161)
      - Thanks, I'll see what time i get up there... (NT) -- Chesh, Friday, November 20, 06:22:02pm (80.176.93.177)
- Driven a few times, never had a problem parking in side streets. (NT) -- Kent FFC, Friday, November 20, 05:56:12pm (77.96.252.180)
- http://www.footballgroundguide.com/birmingham_city/directions.htm (NT) -- k, Friday, November 20, 06:14:43pm (79.73.114.159)
brum -- alboy, Friday, November 20, 05:10:46pm (217.25.2.85)
Murphy Johnson Kamara out so I guess it will be Nevland Zamora up front with Dempsey Greening Baird Duff in the middle and normal back four?

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- Might be Gera given that Duff paled two games and an extra half hour and must be gutted into the bargain (NT) -- PRW, Friday, November 20, 05:16:53pm (193.133.138.40)
  - Seriously hope not, have Duff as my Fantasy captain this week! (NT) -- FulIX, Friday, November 20, 05:24:25pm (81.149.196.75)
- Seriously hope Duff starts as he could well be our match winner... the way he went past the French fullback to set up Keane's goal shows that, unlike popular belief on here, he still has bags of pace. (NT) -- Caught in possession, Friday, November 20, 05:30:58pm (81.142.120.89)
- doubt DUFF will be capable of feeding himself at the moment,let alone playing a match. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, November 20, 05:31:29pm (86.134.200.166)
- ive got clint as mine^^ must be the first time ive had an ffc player as my captain (oh the shame lol). (NT) -- BlaWharmy fan, Friday, November 20, 05:33:55pm (212.219.74.13)
  - When I used to play this it was in our first Prem year and I had Steeeeeed every week as Captain. Anoyed a load of people I worked with as a team called "NEONEbutthebluelot" won the company syndicate. None of that lot (past or present) were allowed in my team and the Premiership novice fan won the co. league. Pissed a lot of Spurs and Gooners fans off -- Si, Friday, November 20, 05:56:47pm (80.42.5.75)
- Would like to see Elm on the bench, too - give them a tall rangy striker to deal with over the last 10 mins when we're 2-up. (NT) -- The Cloud Cuckoo, Friday, November 20, 05:57:20pm (86.13.18.10)
- Zamora is my skipper this week .... Go on BZ (NT) -- DET, Friday, November 20, 06:43:36pm (82.132.139.77)
- Nevland and Zamora looked good together......we could do a lot worse.....(i.e. AJ) (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, November 20, 06:46:08pm (94.194.22.36)
  - Yes, I think both of their games are well matched. (NT) -- Barry@ENF, Friday, November 20, 07:32:05pm (86.160.93.209)
brum -- alboy, Friday, November 20, 05:09:26pm (217.25.2.85)
Murphy Johnson Kamara out so I guess it will be Nevland Zamora up front with Dempsey Greening Baird Duff in the middle and normal back four?

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Generation Kill -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 05:08:11pm (86.178.229.174)
I can't remember setting the Sky+ box to do it but I seem to have recorded the whole of Generation Kill, well all of it so far if it hasn't ended yet.

Worth watching?

Marks on a scale of 1-10, where 1 = Only Fools and Horses and 10 = Homicide - Life on the Street/The Wire?

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- Worth a watch, if only to laugh at the Yanks. Really paints them in a poor light even though they made it! (NT) -- FulIX, Friday, November 20, 05:11:51pm (81.149.196.75)
- It was the final one last Wednesday. Only seen the first the one so far, so can't judge the series in totality, but I can see David Simon's influence all over it already: engaging characters, and quick-fire dialogue etc. Don't think it's particularly fair to compare it to Wire/Homicide as it's only 7 episodes so won't have the capacity for the same character and plot development as they did. (NT) -- Severin, Friday, November 20, 05:12:11pm (91.84.124.45)
- I've seen 3 of them. I'd give it an 8. Not as good as the Wire but I find the Wire's subject matter more interesting, but its still a bloody good show. Looking forward to David Simon's next one, read it is set in New Orleans with the actors that play Bunk and Freamon in the lead roles. (NT) -- Fordo, Friday, November 20, 05:37:56pm (213.86.244.72)
- Same people as the Wire so its an 8 or 9 for me, not as good as the Wire as so short but still great great telly (NT) -- Jarvis, Friday, November 20, 05:39:31pm (86.178.218.169)
- Okay cheers, anything's got to be better than Children in Need tonight. (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 05:40:25pm (86.178.229.174)
- its an 8. I assume you're basing Only Fools on a rating of 1 in the category of gritty realistic drama? (NT) -- Lol in H7, Friday, November 20, 06:58:44pm (86.180.146.194)
We really do have an EMBARRASSMENT of riches in midfield now: Murphy, Etuhu, Dempsey, Duff, Baird, Gera, Dikgacoi, Davies, Greening, Riise. Roy must be starting to blush... -- Fulham Fan, Friday, November 20, 04:44:11pm (212.124.225.66)

You could perm any four of those ten and you'd get a decent performance...

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- I don't think Murphy has enough hair to perm. Davies and Greeneing are your men for that (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 04:46:06pm (193.62.153.38)
  - Brutus and the Saffer a pair of wicked 'fros I reckon. (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 05:03:24pm (86.178.229.174)
- Yes, its looknig good. The problem, if it is a problem, is that it is in no way clear who the best four are. Last season Gera was horribly disappointing, Baird was not even considered a midfielder and Etuhu had a slowish start to his FFC career. All three have been great so far this season. Personally believe Murphy, Dempsey, Davies and Duff are the best four footballers out of that lot, but can't see those four all fitting into the same team. I guess rotation/playing to other teams strengths and weakness will be what Roy goes for. And let's not forget Seol... (NT) -- Fordo, Friday, November 20, 04:53:26pm (213.86.244.72)
Where's Dikgacoi? No. 428 -- Fulham Fan, Friday, November 20, 04:28:11pm (212.124.225.66)

Not in the squad tomorrow apparently...

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- Has his domestic ban finished now? (NT) -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:29:53pm (94.197.195.213)
  - Think so, yes. (NT) -- Fulham Fan, Friday, November 20, 04:30:24pm (212.124.225.66)
- Think he played for SA twice this week? So may be he is rested as we have Baird and Etuhu available (NT) -- FB2, Friday, November 20, 04:32:53pm (81.151.230.90)
- 3-game domestic ban, have we really played 3 league games since the cheats? (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 04:35:01pm (86.178.229.174)
  - Yep - Hull, Man City, Liverpool (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 04:36:01pm (193.62.153.38)
    - Oh well, assuming the Murph is back, the Saffer is further down the pecking order and doesn't merit a place on the bench I guess. Jesus is the stand-in for the Murph (that's how good our captain is, even Jesus can't hold a candle to him!), the Saffer stand-in for Jesus. Or something. (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 04:41:59pm (86.178.229.174)
- He was naive against West Ham. A thug? Leave it out. Deserves a shout at the squad in my humble......... (NT) -- JS, Friday, November 20, 04:38:46pm (80.238.1.135)
  - Why does he deserve a shout he was crap till he got sent off, Jesus, Baird, Etuhu are all ahead of him with ease. (NT) -- AF, Friday, November 20, 04:45:15pm (86.10.117.37)
- Don't believe that DM is fit for tomorrow. Dikgacoi - think he'll prove to be more than a sound acquisition. (NT) -- Fulham Reach, Friday, November 20, 04:54:55pm (86.13.18.10)
- AF still sore after Ireland's failure to take their chances and then blame Henry with the same offence that Keane had done 6 times in the game. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, November 20, 05:00:37pm (93.174.8.253)
  - Keane had frees awarded against him 6 times in the game though for his handballs. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 05:05:44pm (89.101.95.229)
  - Whats that got to do with this? Yes i am a little sore at the fact we were cheated, yes CHEATED, out of the world cup. Seeding was a ridiculous concept and the fact we out played them twice should have secured as place in the finals. Keane must take some blame as i said yesterday for missing sitters. -- AF, Friday, November 20, 05:07:49pm (86.10.117.37)
    - I just think that calling a Fulham player a thug for doing next to fck all is the scribblings of someone who is still angry about something. I put two and two together and .... By the way, I agree about the seedings, that is farcical, but the handball thing is part and parcel of any sport I'm afraid. (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, November 20, 05:10:03pm (93.174.8.253)
      - How the hell can the handball by Henry be part and parcel of the sport? Ridiculous. It was GAA he was playing. He is a smug, cheating thug and is worse than Maradonna. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 05:12:46pm (89.101.95.229)
      - Henry today admitted to cheating, the French admit they cheated, therfore the game should be replayed. Why preach fair play and then do this? As for Dick he let us down. (NT) -- AF, Friday, November 20, 05:13:05pm (86.10.117.37)
        
        No way should the game be replayed. Funny how you've come down from saying that Dikagcoi is a thug to he let us down. And sorry for calling you an idiot, still in a rage over Wednsday, (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 05:14:48pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        Well something must be done am i right in saying this will mess up our seeding for the next qualifying draw? Which will make it even harder for us to get to a major tournament. As for Dick i stand by the fact hes a thug was his behavior. Thanks for the apology i agree with your fury. (NT) -- AF, Friday, November 20, 05:18:22pm (86.10.117.37)
- Correct. But he attempted the same thing as "cheat" Henry, six times over. So, are you only a cheat if you get away with it, or a cheat too, for trying it in the 1st place? (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, November 20, 05:07:49pm (93.174.8.253)
- And Mike finally gets to an apology..AF you are spot on, he was thuggish Indeed (NT) -- ., Friday, November 20, 05:19:35pm (88.202.223.182)
  - Hangeland joined Arsenal yet? (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 05:23:40pm (89.101.95.229)
Thinking about doing in your Mrs? -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:11:13pm (94.197.195.213)
Then don't forget this invaluable case law.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8370237.stm

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- I dont know why more people dont just get their partners in the passenger seat, and then plunge that side of their car into a hard object at about 60 mph. (NT) -- MassiveDrinker, Friday, November 20, 04:16:13pm (130.209.6.43)
  - Too risky, and car safety these days means that you can't judge how hard you'd need to smash into something these days to ensure death. Your best bet would be to just let your Mrs. borrow your car for a few hours...... (NT) -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:18:34pm (94.197.195.213)
    - Probably right, the old sex games gone wrong's an under rated one though. (NT) -- MassiveDrinker, Friday, November 20, 04:23:57pm (130.209.6.43)
  - And then what about your own safety aswell........An improvement for this would be......As your about to crash updo her seatbelt.....a simple push of the button will see her flying through the windscreen. Job done your know single again. (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 04:23:55pm (82.133.8.86)
    - Chances are she'd think the undoing of her seatbelt was strange, and as a result her hightened sense of awareness may lead her to grab the wheel before you crash, avoiding the fatal crash and probably leaving you in court on an attempted murder acusation. (NT) -- MassiveDrinker, Friday, November 20, 04:27:52pm (130.209.6.43)
      - You defo sit in the riverside. (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 04:31:48pm (82.133.8.86)
        
        Probably not (NT) -- MassiveDrinker, Friday, November 20, 04:33:40pm (130.209.6.43)
    - That is genius!!! (NT) -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:28:37pm (94.197.195.213)
      - I fear for your missus' safety, I really do. (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 04:30:59pm (193.62.153.38)
      - Its full proof mate, you may want to remove your fingerprints of the button that releases the seat belt. (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 04:38:50pm (82.133.8.86)
        
        Only foolproof as long as the police don't trace your connection to this thread! (NT) -- Senior Supporter, Friday, November 20, 04:45:27pm (86.147.150.7)
Nicked from Football365 -- Lol, Friday, November 20, 04:09:33pm (155.136.80.36)
Lawro, Lawro Fun
Mediawatch is loathe to kick Mark Lawrenson too lustily with out hobnailed boots after F365er Nick Miller was roundly walloped in his head-to-head predictions challenge recently, but we're pretty sure even Miller would not get things as consistently wrong as the BBC's finest.

It's no surprise that Lawro once again tips Fulham to lose again this weekend at Birmingham - after all, he's tipped them to lose ten times already this season and in the Premier League table compiled from his predictions, the Cottagers are rock bottom with just six points. Hull are in ninth. Lucky Hull.

In Lawro's world, Liverpool are still unbeaten (of course), while Chelsea are top of the table and haven't been beaten in two seasons. Mind you, in Miller's World, Nottingham Forest are probably in a Champions League place.

Quote Of The Day
"Do I think it's a conspiracy? Definitely. FIFA want the big teams in the World Cup, they want France in the World Cup, and it may sound silly but they want teams sponsored by adidas. Adidas sponsor the World Cup, they sponsor France. Michel Platini has a lot of influence as well" - Damien Duff, also sponsored by Adidas. For now.

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Is anyone else.... -- MassiveDrinker, Friday, November 20, 03:32:34pm (130.209.6.43)
...Having problems with google books?

Cheers in advance

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- Nope working fine (NT) -- Boo Kworm, Friday, November 20, 03:41:12pm (217.44.95.108)
- Is the problem the books have words instead of pictures ? (NT) -- GCFFC, Friday, November 20, 03:47:20pm (81.157.24.7)
From the BBC -- Dom(TO), Friday, November 20, 02:38:14pm (212.85.7.12)
Might be worth a listen...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iffc/

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- 3 out of 10 for production (NT) -- Harold Romer, Riverside Suite, Friday, November 20, 07:55:23pm (80.41.87.199)
Cockermouth -- Cheggers, Friday, November 20, 02:18:46pm (20.138.246.89)

Terrible goings-on.....

I see the Environment Agency says these are "once in 1000 year floods" - er...like, how the bloody hell would they know? Were they there at the last one?

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- Never ceases to amaze me the contrasts in this country. Evil weather up there, and we've seen very little action down south (its lovely here today). The 1-in-1000 is some sort of statistical measure. You'd not believe the effort that goes into trying to communicate science into the mainstream - its an area that's always being refined (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:31:49pm (193.62.153.38)
  - The 1-1000 comes from the EA's flood event modelling. Their local flooding studies (the kind I use at work) tend to deal with up 100 years but predictions for longer periods of time are avaliable. Thank goodness league football is back tomorrow (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:35:52pm (81.144.199.142)
    - Or it's a finger in the air figure repeated as fact to justify the climate change focus (which is rapidly losing public confidence)...... (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, November 20, 02:37:24pm (20.138.246.89)
      - I don't think anyone is questioning that the climate is changing, it's whether it is because of cylical changes that are believed to have occured through the planet's history or whether it is down to human actions. A single 1000 year event would have no bearing on either of those theories (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:41:19pm (81.144.199.142)
      - Classic case in point about communicating science - everything has an element of "finger in the air" uncertainty. There's no such thing as an exact science. All we can do is acknowledge and minimise the uncertainty. Sadly, its always assumed that the existance of an error margin is the same as complete guesswork (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:43:15pm (193.62.153.38)
  - Remember doing a project in Cardiff when we were asked to mitigate against a 1 in 100 year storm. Problem was, most of the immediate area couldn't handle a 1 in 30 so was completely pointless (NT) -- 321p, Friday, November 20, 02:37:15pm (192.71.68.101)
  - Wasn't this morning when I was playing golf (NT) -- PRW, Friday, November 20, 02:41:12pm (193.133.138.40)
- Really,really gutted about this, my late dad was born there. I was there only 2 months ago after 20 years away and loved this little town. Full of interesting shops and eateries, they'd improved it beyond recognition. And now this! I'll certainly be donating to any relief fund. (NT) -- CB, Friday, November 20, 03:21:52pm (86.167.154.255)
- It interested me to learn that flood defences erected 2/3 years ago at Carlisle held out. Makes you think if some of these awful occurences just might be avoidable. Heart goes out to the townsfolk affected. (NT) -- Reg Attoc, Friday, November 20, 03:31:43pm (86.13.18.10)
- They've read that book by a bloke called Noah about building an arc a few centuries ago...and thought I know how we can increase our Goverment grant.... (NT) -- GCFFC, Friday, November 20, 03:36:13pm (81.157.24.7)
- I would LOVE to get involved in this debate from a planning point of view Cheggs but I'll refrain due to fear of reprisals from PRW, but yes, the Flood Risk calculations by the EA are largely bollocks. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:06:58pm (94.197.195.213)
  - Lol (NT) -- PRW, Friday, November 20, 04:14:58pm (193.133.138.40)
    - Heh heh heh, the things I do for you mate. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, November 20, 04:17:13pm (94.197.195.213)
* * * * Breaking News * * * * -- Si, Friday, November 20, 02:07:35pm (80.42.5.75)
Thierry Henry says: The fairest solution would be to replay the game. The Irish definately deserve to be in South Africa.

Methinks this might be a little PR stunt to re-build the brand.

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- The Irish were outplayed......What happens if there is a replay and France smash them ? (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 02:09:50pm (82.133.8.86)
  - Then France qualify. Happy to help. (NT) -- Ruxley, Friday, November 20, 02:14:03pm (94.194.20.10)
    - clever answer..??........If France took them apart 3-0...Ireland would then moan about having the game replayed from 100 minutes with Ireland 1-0 up.... (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 02:19:05pm (82.133.8.86)
  - What game were you watching you eejit? (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 03:56:18pm (89.101.95.229)
    - Thanks for that mike, are people not allowed opinions without being called names. (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 04:00:04pm (82.133.8.86)
      - eejit isn't a curse word. it's an endearing term for want of a better word you muppet. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, November 20, 04:01:54pm (89.101.95.229)
        
        idiot. (NT) -- John, Friday, November 20, 04:55:39pm (82.133.8.86)
- Very nice move from the Henry camp. No chance of it happening so its a minimal risk statement for the reward. Gilette PR guys have been working overnight on this kind of stuff. (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 02:12:50pm (67.81.73.121)
  - Exactly Glen. How to turn bad PR into good lesson #1 -- Si, Friday, November 20, 02:14:15pm (80.42.5.75)
    - Yes, wait until the decision has been made, the Irish FA informed, then make this statement. If anyone can't through this cynicism, they're termially stupid. Wankers (Henry and his gang, that is). (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 02:20:44pm (15.203.169.105)
      - Alanovich - see below, its working already. Get out in front of the issue - from the PR handbook for dummies. (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 02:39:33pm (67.81.73.121)
        
        How is the PR world in NY Glen? Will send details of new job soon! -- Si, Friday, November 20, 03:08:21pm (80.42.5.75)
        
        Was going great guns until lost biggest client this week. Keep me informed. (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 03:30:06pm (67.81.73.121)
        
        Sorry to hear mate - will drop you a mail soon -- Si, Friday, November 20, 03:33:52pm (80.42.5.75)
  - Think it's called Damage Limitation.......we'll soon have the headlines to make Henry a some sort of Saint......it's one of those glass half full - half empty, depending on if you like the bloke. Personally I hope he cuts himself shaving each morning with his razor, so that when he looks in the mirror he looks like Freddie Kruger...........I'm not bitter....... I drink Beamish.... (NT) -- GCFFC, Friday, November 20, 03:15:58pm (81.157.24.7)
- I dunno. Henry, while definitely in love with his reflection, has always had a bit more than the average footballer about him and enjoys his relationship with the 'neutral' fan. Probably just feeling a bit of a t1t about the whole thing and wants to get some ground back. (NT) -- Lol, Friday, November 20, 02:38:01pm (155.136.80.37)
  - Disagree. Don't think he would give a sh*t unless it's affecting his bank balance. Can't stand the arrogant t*sser. (NT) -- Caught in possession, Friday, November 20, 02:41:26pm (81.142.120.89)
    - +1. This is so msee-through it's just glass. TH is gutted because he's been caught, at long last some might say. (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 02:46:06pm (86.178.229.174)
- SAfe in the knowledge that it won't be replayed and France will be in South Africa. (NT) -- Balti, Friday, November 20, 02:40:23pm (194.138.39.53)
- I like the fact he's now come out wuth after FIFA have said it will never happen (NT) -- Canon, Friday, November 20, 02:48:44pm (193.189.80.36)
- I fully share the cynicism about this and the reasons for it. However, Lol also has a point in his 02:38 response above. He (and not just his business people) will have been mulling it over since. The thought will have occurred that, had he badgered the ref to disallow it, France would still have been in with a 50-50 chance and he'd have lifelong kudos. And near the end of a career in which you've won the lot, wouldn't that count for more than yet another world cup in which you probably won't get far? If he had his time again, he might well decide that that would have been the better decision on balance for T.Henry. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Friday, November 20, 03:17:39pm (217.154.31.33)
- He's covering his arse! (NT) -- CB, Friday, November 20, 03:23:40pm (86.167.154.255)
FAO: Matt@MK -- Si, Friday, November 20, 02:03:30pm (80.42.5.75)
Did they do this just for you mate

http://miltonkeynes.com/thecentremk-hosts-international-clown-awards.html

Were you there with you Clown clapper?

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- funny you should mention clowns mate... I spent my entire childhood terrified of clowns. All because of some horrible old cow "applejack" the clown who appeared on come dine with me last week. (NT) -- Matt@MK - Fulham Legend, Friday, November 20, 02:16:33pm (217.171.129.69)
  - I saw that she looked llike something out of a Rod Zombie film.... (NT) -- Roycboyc, Friday, November 20, 02:41:01pm (213.48.46.141)
  - I think clowns are just odd. Went on a date with one years ago (did not know what she did until later). After one date she was not for me but stalked me for weeks! Weirdo's one and all and usually end up Manic Depressives -- Si, Friday, November 20, 03:10:52pm (80.42.5.75)
    - Best not to shake her hand or look at her flowers then? (NT) -- Lol, Friday, November 20, 03:14:00pm (155.136.80.37)
    - Fort some reason that genuinely made me laugh out loud. I once found out that a girl I was dating once had alopecia...but finding out you are dating a clown beats that hands down. (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, November 20, 03:34:11pm (67.81.73.121)
      - My Brother In Law just got International child entertainer of the year this year but thankfully he is a magician not a clown! -- Si, Friday, November 20, 03:43:20pm (80.42.5.75)
    - Stalked by a clown - you look out the window and there is that car again the one with the doors falling off and the funny sounding horn also there is glitter out side the front door again. I can't stand clowns either or mime artists come to that... (NT) -- DET, Friday, November 20, 03:51:02pm (85.119.21.2)
- Damn, I missed it...... (NT) -- Bobby Zamora, Friday, November 20, 03:58:43pm (20.138.246.89)
Europa League Match Fixing -- Breaking News from AP, Friday, November 20, 01:56:29pm (82.8.220.134)
German prosecutors investigating match-fixing in football say 15 people in Germany and two in Switzerland have been arrested and that about 200 games in Europe are affected. Police say more than 15 raids have been conducted in Switzerland, Germany and Britain and that documents, cash and valuables have been seized. Among the games believed to have been manipulated are three Champions League games and 12 Europa League games, all believed to have taken place this year. Prosecutors did not specify whether those were qualifying games or group-round matches.

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- Fucking idiots. How much lower can the game be dragged? I'd like to say none of our matches have been affected, but this just makes me wonder if its more a case of undiscovered as yet (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:01:49pm (193.62.153.38)
  - Are you sure? The three reds against Roma were all very dubious, and two were game changing.. Roma are hardly unknown for bribing refs. (NT) -- MrPloppy, Friday, November 20, 02:07:47pm (217.41.35.116)
    - The BBC have an article listing countries the games have been played in - Lithuania, Russia, Bulgaria, UK and Italy aren't on that list. Yet. (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:10:09pm (193.62.153.38)
      - Errr - surely only we've played in Lithuania, Russia and Bulgaria in the Europa League? (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:11:36pm (81.144.199.142)
        
        (though having been at the first two of the matches I can't imagine at all how they could have been fixed. Vetra - we were just much better and against Amkar we were just our usual away form poor) (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:13:04pm (81.144.199.142)
        
        Oh they are NOT on the list. Sorry - should read things properly... (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:14:13pm (81.144.199.142)
        
        I'm pretty sure I've seen us play at home and in Rome in the EL (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:14:28pm (193.62.153.38)
        
        I thought the comma was a full stop (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:16:04pm (81.144.199.142)
        
        Fair dos. Cross-posted with your reply above. In all honesty I've now been completely taken over by rage, so all logic and reasoning has gone right out the window (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:18:18pm (193.62.153.38)
        
        That's alright, there was a brief glimmer of hope that, having travelled 3000 miles to see us lose, we might not have been as rubbish as I thought we were. As it turns out we really were just that sh*t (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 02:25:19pm (81.144.199.142)
  - The 3 sendings off in our game against Roma were highly suspicious and would not surprise me one little bit if the officials had been 'got at'... especially being against the Italians who are infamous for match fixing. (NT) -- Caught in possession, Friday, November 20, 02:08:33pm (81.142.120.89)
    - That really is my gripe. They expect us to believe its a fair and impartial competition, and this has been going on all the while. Now there'll always be the doubts hanging over the Roma game. Bloody incompetents and bent administrators ruining everything. The lot of them need shooting. And this in the same week as the Henry furore. Bastards. Utter, utter bastards (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:13:13pm (193.62.153.38)
      - Without wishing to sound smug, even with all this going on you do tend to feel pretty comfortable in the knowledge that whatever has been happening Roy and Fulham will be completely 100% innocent and totally blameless in all of it. Sometimes it feels so good to be a Fulham supporter. (NT) -- Caught in possession, Friday, November 20, 02:31:45pm (81.142.120.89)
- Matches under investigation were played in Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, Croatia, Slovenia, Turkey, Hungary, Bosnia-Hercegovina and Austria. (NT) -- why leave this part out..., Friday, November 20, 02:29:15pm (81.154.176.37)
  - It wasn't in the original write-up. (NT) -- AP, Friday, November 20, 02:34:42pm (82.8.220.134)
- I came out of the first Roma game fairly sure that the ref had been bribed, and certain after the second half in Rome, so not surprised by this at all. (NT) -- Seano, Friday, November 20, 04:18:05pm (86.157.25.159)
Roys word watch -- kef, Friday, November 20, 01:55:40pm (62.60.98.134)
Word from todays press conference is..... Vestiges

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- Love it! "A small amount or trace" (NT) -- Wordsmith, Friday, November 20, 01:58:45pm (86.13.18.10)
- Classic. My vocab is actually improving, looking up some of the words Hodgson uses! (NT) -- JoeT, Friday, November 20, 01:59:01pm (82.111.74.34)
- How many of Roy's dozen novels in last week's Observer have people read? In my case 7. (NT) -- thin white duke, Friday, November 20, 02:00:28pm (62.140.196.148)
  - Do you have the list of novels to hand? (NT) -- Fordo, Friday, November 20, 02:08:49pm (213.86.244.72)
    - Authors inc. Bellow,Updike,Kundera,Raymond Carver,Richard Ford,Singer :Oh, and John Fowles;The Magus. (NT) -- thin white duke, Friday, November 20, 03:33:33pm (62.140.196.148)
- How many other football league managers could go on University Challenge and score a reasonable amount of points? I reckon it's only him?! (NT) -- Jim©, Friday, November 20, 02:07:49pm (93.174.8.253)
  - University Fulham Team: Hodgson as Captain; Matt Lawrence; Julian Jails; Did Blake have an economics degree? -- Si, Friday, November 20, 02:16:19pm (80.42.5.75)
    - Hadn't Cusack some to the game late after a degree? Can't see Freeman making the team if I'm honest (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:20:40pm (193.62.153.38)
    - Smalling has 4 A levels and was about to start at Loughborough (NT) -- 321p, Friday, November 20, 02:32:25pm (192.71.68.101)
    - Whilst off the pitch Bobby Keetch apparently had interests in art, art galleries, good wine and the finer things in life, I believe he must have attended evening classes to get his A-Level in 'How to Nut an Opponent' in which he also excelled. (NT) -- Caught in possession, Friday, November 20, 02:36:06pm (81.142.120.89)
    - Chris James the young Kiwi we used to have went to university as well i thought? (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 02:38:34pm (150.204.101.8)
    - ...and won't all of our recent US players have earned degrees? We could field several UC teams at this rate! (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 02:45:30pm (193.62.153.38)
    - JIm Hicks was a graduate................... (NT) -- kenny's mazy dribble, Friday, November 20, 04:22:44pm (91.111.92.119)
  - At the risk of a rebuff, I would suggest that Lawrie Sanchez might do OK - he's supposed to be fairly bright (at least in an academic sense). And there's Iain Dowie who has a Masters in Engineering and used to work for BAe... (NT) -- Kemosabe, Friday, November 20, 02:24:35pm (81.159.187.55)
    - Sanchez also had coaching qualifications - but you'd never know it..... (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, November 20, 02:39:08pm (20.138.246.89)
  - Wenger and Coppell have degrees in economics i think (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 02:30:35pm (150.204.101.8)
  - Did you know that about a year ago there was a set of questions on University Challenge on London football culture,including what does TIFF stand for? (NT) -- alanos, Friday, November 20, 03:04:10pm (86.134.200.166)
- Sorry ,I mean THERE IS ONLY ONE F IN FULHAM or TOOFIF (NT) -- ALANOS, Friday, November 20, 03:07:07pm (86.134.200.166)
- Made we laugh that the huge Russian that David Haye fought's interests were poetry & wildlife! Seemed a nice guy to me. (NT) -- Reg Attoc, Friday, November 20, 03:33:37pm (86.13.18.10)
  - Lenny from of Mice and Men. (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 05:33:37pm (150.204.101.8)
Republic of Ireland -- Dave L, Friday, November 20, 12:47:22pm (85.158.137.195)
Sorry but I cant feel that sorry for them. I can remember when they had an English manager Jack Charlton and a team packed with English (or Scots) and they beat us in the Euro's etc. Andy Townsend, Cascarino, Aldridge, Houghton, Finnan.

Not a biggy for me but a bit of what goes around comes around perhaps.

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- Harsh (NT) -- Fluts, Friday, November 20, 12:59:00pm (194.42.242.100)
- that'll be the Englishman Steve Finnan who was born in Limerick? (NT) -- TC, Friday, November 20, 01:00:03pm (193.132.237.3)
- Allan Lamb, Kevin Pietersen, Owen Hargreaves, the Scottish squash player who defected to England, Terry Butcher........... (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 01:02:16pm (15.203.169.105)
  - Terry Butcher?!? (NT) -- Redhill White, Friday, November 20, 01:11:30pm (193.128.60.132)
    - Born in Singapore. (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 01:15:23pm (15.203.169.105)
      - English parents though? (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 01:32:21pm (150.204.101.8)
        
        Yes, much as most of those accused of being "Plastic Paddies" have Irish parents. Cascarino is, of course, the hilarious exception, and delightfully still cheers for Ireland. Love the bloke. (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 01:41:07pm (15.203.169.105)
        
        Cascarino cheated through his entire international career and only came clean once he retired. Maybe everyone of those games should be replayed as Ireland played a ringer? (NT) -- The Monk D'Wally De Honque, Friday, November 20, 03:02:57pm (195.193.203.188)
      - But "Born in Singapore" when it was an outpost of Empire so it counts as much at Surrey... (NT) -- Herr Flick, Friday, November 20, 01:58:17pm (86.172.48.54)
        
        ...or Wales. N.Ireland or Scotland (NT) -- Anstie, Friday, November 20, 02:18:26pm (88.203.61.212)
  - WHAT ABOUT ME???? (NT) -- Jonothan Trott, Friday, November 20, 01:31:35pm (86.141.147.47)
  - Singer Bob Geldoff, a true Brit with true grit (NT) -- Margaret Thatcher, Friday, November 20, 03:01:20pm (86.45.185.45)
- Still have no idea why we're all meant to support Ireland in whatever sport they're playing in. They certainly wouldnt support us against the French. I for one am as French as I am Irish! (NT) -- Carter, Friday, November 20, 01:12:50pm (193.178.217.17)
  - Carter, with a blood line like that nobody's expecting you to support anyone, least of all the Irish. There are those of us on here who have some Irish blood (a quarter personally, which is exactly what you need to play for RoI), plus there are others (the lion's share) who want to see a game decided fairly. (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 01:46:44pm (86.178.229.174)
  - You can cheer for whoever you like mate. Why worry what other people do? (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 01:52:10pm (15.203.169.105)
    - Just trying to add some balance as too many feel personally grieved (many of whom prob havent even been to Ireland) at the fact that Ireland arent in it. The fact that they rejoice in Englands failure makes it amusing! (NT) -- Carter, Friday, November 20, 03:24:28pm (193.178.217.17)
- Steve Finnan, born to Irish parents in Ireland. (NT) -- Dom(TO), Friday, November 20, 01:13:36pm (212.85.7.12)
  - Ah a Jock then ? (NT) -- Roycboyc, Friday, November 20, 01:26:52pm (213.48.46.141)
- Me neither, they've still got Jedward! (NT) -- AXL, Friday, November 20, 01:30:42pm (87.86.3.26)
- Zola Budd, Basil D'Oliveira (NT) -- ex, Friday, November 20, 01:35:30pm (194.46.136.45)
- Saffer colleague added teh following joke to work newsletter: Q: where does the England cricket team stay when touring SA? A: With their parents (NT) -- TC, Friday, November 20, 01:37:42pm (193.132.237.3)
- Tony Grieg (NT) -- ex, Friday, November 20, 01:44:13pm (194.46.136.45)
- József Kreul "Joe" Bugner... (NT) -- MrPloppy, Friday, November 20, 02:04:36pm (217.41.35.116)
- What a ridiculous comment Dave L; a lot of that team were born in England, but thats somewhat irrelivant i think; im born in England but have an Irish mum and a half irish Dad. I see myself as much more Irish then English, and would certainly support them over England if the two teams played each other. Just because you are not actually born in a country doesnt mean you dont have the right to represent them, or indeed that you will do so any less passionately. Ireland beat England fairly in the match you're referring to, and if you hold a grudge against them for that then that really is very sad! (NT) -- willamangiro, Friday, November 20, 02:08:34pm (145.62.32.129)
  - So intergration doesn't tick your box then? I don't know whether you have kids but are they to be brought up to support Ireland as well. You're as bas as the English who emigrate to Australia and generations down the line are still an enclave. No doubt your parents chose to live here to give you better opportunities in life. For myself I prefer the American approach where all their immigrants identify with botht the adopted country and their historic roots. From what you say you don't classify yourself as Anglo Irish. Any reason why not ? (NT) -- PRW, Friday, November 20, 02:54:42pm (193.133.138.40)
    - Well said PRW (NT) -- Carter, Friday, November 20, 03:25:39pm (193.178.217.17)
      - Yeah so your born in a country and live in that country but you support another country you weren't born in and choose not to live in over the original country. That is interesting (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, November 20, 03:28:27pm (85.158.137.195)
- Another nice one from The Daily Mash, currently my favourite news source in the web: "Irish Poets To Immortalise World Cup Betrayal" (link inside). I love the whole idea of Seamus O'Finnan, "...professor of poetry and fighting at the University of Skibbereen..." -- My Left Foot, Friday, November 20, 02:14:13pm (193.113.48.7)
Anyone doing the Cazbar tomorrow? -- Cheggers, Friday, November 20, 12:15:00pm (20.138.246.89)

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- Everyone's going to Birmingham mate. There's a game on! (NT) -- no_29, Friday, November 20, 01:30:42pm (81.137.221.22)
- Cheap round for you it looks like! (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 01:49:57pm (86.178.229.174)
- Hmmmm best offer I've had today .... will text you (NT) -- Mr Pod, Friday, November 20, 04:14:23pm (86.2.169.186)
So, Tomorrow? -- Cuse, Friday, November 20, 12:11:19pm (195.26.238.196)
Quite a big game for us tomorrow. Can't see Duff starting, hopefully Murphy and Johnson will be back, but I think they will start on the bench, so ireckon tomorrow will be the following;
MS
PK BH AH JP
CD DE JG ZG
BZ DK (Or ETG if he is not fit yet)

Any thoughts?

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- Except i can't work out my left and rights, so for obvious reasons the wings will be the other way around!!! (NT) -- cuse (hoping no-one has beaten him to it with a snidey comment), Friday, November 20, 12:14:12pm (195.26.238.196)
- Dickson in ahead of Baird? I hope not, think a feisty mid november away clsah has got Bairds name written all over it! (NT) -- AXL, Friday, November 20, 12:17:14pm (87.86.3.26)
  - Agree. I'm presuming that the shirt is Baird's to lose now. (NT) -- Severin, Friday, November 20, 12:35:17pm (91.84.124.45)
- DM's fit - just hope against hope we don't have Dempsey as striker. Doesn't work - play him where he's most effective. If DK is still unfit, I wouldn't hesitate to have ETG upfront - why not Elm on the bench? (NT) -- Bishop's Steps, Friday, November 20, 12:18:26pm (86.13.18.10)
  - thought that Clint played well up front against Roma when we had 11 men (NT) -- 321p, Friday, November 20, 02:35:29pm (192.71.68.101)
- -- Si, Friday, November 20, 01:05:50pm (80.42.5.75)
  - So no Murphy tomorrow. Replace him with Greening and we still have a team capable of getting a result up there. At last, 32 years of going to Fulham I can say the magic words. WE HAVE A SQUAD at last -- Si, Friday, November 20, 06:02:48pm (80.42.5.75)
- Dickson turned the game against Wigan where we actually looked like we could win. (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 01:14:13pm (150.204.101.8)
- I don't like starting with Nevland. I would start Zamora alongside Eddie J or Seol and bring Nevland on later. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, November 20, 04:24:52pm (86.134.200.166)
St Edmunds Day -- Olde Cottager, Friday, November 20, 11:31:24am (86.13.18.10)
A bit quirky this - but why not!
May I wish all Fulham fans a hearty & happy St Edmunds Day.
St Edmund was the patron saint of England (& he was English) before those pesky Norman Invaders took over & brought with them the middle eastern St George.
http://www.whitedragonflagofengland.com/englands-patron-saint.php
So a happy St Edmund's Day to you all!

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- I believe he is still patron saint of Suffolk and, obviously, the reason for the name of Bury St Edmunds (NT) -- Rach (worryingly full of Suffolk-related facts), Friday, November 20, 11:42:29am (81.144.199.142)
- Where does St Alban fit into things? I thought he had a claim as well? (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 11:46:24am (193.62.153.38)
  - He had a number one with "It's My Life" (NT) -- orm, Friday, November 20, 12:22:36pm (81.178.45.61)
    - When did he get promoted from mere doctorhood? (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 12:27:37pm (193.62.153.38)
- Where's the poster known as Lord Blackadder then? (NT) -- BalDrick, Friday, November 20, 11:50:51am (86.178.229.174)
- Dead right Rach! So pleased I'm not the only odd one, here! When he refused to denounce his faith, those nasty vikings strapped him to a tree & he was put to death by a volley of arrows - so many that he 'bristled like a hedgehog.' He was then decapitated & a kindly wolf made off with his head. When his followers searched for his remains they heard a cry of "Here, here, here" and traced the voice to the wolf who protected it. On reuniting the head with it's body it is said to have miraculously joined together, leaving only a faint red mark .... the sign of a true saint! The king was buried in a small chapel before being moved to Bedericsworth – now Bury St. Edmunds! (NT) -- Olde Cottager, Friday, November 20, 11:56:15am (86.13.18.10)
  - The only thing I would question would be if he was actually 'English' because he was King of East Anglia and therefore an 'east angle', not sure if he would have associated himself with the rest of the land mass, but I guess that's just being pedantic (NT) -- Rach, Friday, November 20, 12:03:04pm (81.144.199.142)
- Blimey - this is getting a bit complicated - Doctor ... here goes: Saint Alban was the first British Christian martyr. Alban is listed in the Church of England calendar for 22 June. According to Bede, Alban was a pagan living at Verulamium (now St Albans), who converted to Christianity, and was executed by decapitation on a hill above Verulamium - St Albans Abbey was later founded near this site. St Alban's martyrdom took place during the persecutions under Emperor Septimius Severus in 209. Apparently another contender for patron Saint of England! (NT) -- Olde Cottager, Friday, November 20, 12:08:06pm (86.13.18.10)
  - Things usually get complicated when religion's involved! Its never quite sat comfortably with me that we need patron saints (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, November 20, 12:23:25pm (193.62.153.38)
    - I thought he was executed because he swapped clothes with this monk who he was trying to protect? He was the first saint i learnt about. (NT) -- Enigma le Bleu, Friday, November 20, 12:40:34pm (150.204.101.8)
- Ah Rach - but as the Angles, Saxons & Jutes founded 'Angleland' - perhaps they were the true English? Certainly St Edmund was East Anglian, Rach - your patch, I understand! (NT) -- Olde Cottager, Friday, November 20, 12:10:41pm (86.13.18.10)
  - So St Edmund is the Patron Saint of carrot crunchers? (NT) -- Matt, Friday, November 20, 12:12:30pm (194.203.215.254)
  - Bloody immigrants, founding a new country without the say-so of the indigenous Brits. (NT) -- Alanovich, Friday, November 20, 01:00:45pm (15.203.169.105)
    - Dead right ,Alanovich,the fact that virtually no place names survive from before Anglo-saxon times (exept Thames) suggests indigenous and Romano-brits killed or enslaved. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, November 20, 03:19:26pm (86.134.200.166)
- As the East Anglian expert, Rach, is it right that those who live/come from Bury St Edmunds actually call it St Edmunds Bury? [It's always possible though that I dreamt that up!!] (NT) -- Val, Friday, November 20, 01:07:05pm (137.222.162.162)
  - Bury St Edmunds is the town, St Edmundsbury is the name of the administrative borough Bury St Edmunds is in. (NT) -- Rach (wondering if this now actually counts as timesheetable work), Friday, November 20, 01:11:41pm (81.144.199.142)
Beat Lawro Game 13 -- padmac, Wednesday, November 18, 06:10:32am (80.177.172.197)
Matches for 21 & 22 Nov

a. Liverpool v Man City
b. Birmingham v Fulham
c. Burnley v Aston Villa
d. Chelsea v Wolverhampton
e. Hull v West Ham
f. Sunderland v Arsenal
g. Man Utd v Everton
h. Bolton v Blackburn
i. Tottenham v Wigan
j. Stoke v Portsmouth

Plays like this please:

a) ?-?, b) ?-?, c) ?-?, d) ?-?, e) ?-?, f) ?-?, g) ?-?, h) ?-?, i) ?-?, j) ?-?

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- a) 2-1, b) 1-1, c) 2-2, d) 5-0, e) 1-0, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 3-1, j) 2-0 (NT) -- DaveBaug, Wednesday, November 18, 08:10:40am (86.134.118.100)
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- a)1-1 , b)2-2 , c)1-2 , d)4-0 , e)0-1 , f)1-1 , g)2-0 , h)2-1 , i)3-1 , j)1-1 (NT) -- Maidstone Al, Wednesday, November 18, 08:26:13am (91.109.255.130)
- a) 1-1, b) 1-2, c) 1-2, d) 4-0, e) 2-1, f) 2-2, g), 2-1 h) 0-0, i) 3-1, j) 1-0 (NT) -- Stix, Wednesday, November 18, 08:32:40am (82.132.138.250)
- a) 2-1, b) 1-2, c) 0-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-2, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 2-0, i) 3-1, j) 1-0 (NT) -- Pennywise, Wednesday, November 18, 08:42:56am (146.23.212.22)
- a) 2-2, b) 0-1, c) 1-1, d) 3-0, e) 2-1, f) 1-2, g) 3-1, h) 2-1, i) 3-1, j) 2-0 (NT) -- North Walsham White, Wednesday, November 18, 09:06:31am (82.71.231.125)
- a)0-0, b) 0-1, c) 2-1, d) 3-1, e) 1-0, f) 1-2, g) 2-1, h) 2-0, i) 2-0, j) 2-0 (NT) -- Coltrane, Wednesday, November 18, 09:07:29am (86.26.57.195)
- a) 2-0, b) 1-2, c) 1-1, d) 3-0, e) 2-1 f) 0-3, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 2-0, j) 1-0. (NT) -- teaman, Wednesday, November 18, 09:18:16am (91.111.39.107)
- a) 1-1 b) 1-1 c) 1-2 d) 3-0 e) 1-1 f) 1-1 g) 2-0 h) 1-1 i) 3-0 j) 1-0 (NT) -- Steve B, Wednesday, November 18, 09:20:04am (79.78.148.97)
- a) 1-1, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 4-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 1-1. i) 3-1, j) 2-0 (NT) -- FulIX, Wednesday, November 18, 09:24:42am (81.149.196.75)
- a) 2-2, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-2, g) 3-1, h) 2-2, i) 2-1, j) 2-1 (NT) -- The oracle, Wednesday, November 18, 09:48:30am (195.60.13.30)
- a) 1-0, b) 1-2, c) 0-1, d) 4-0, e) 0-0, f) 0-2, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 3-2, j) 2-1 (NT) -- BR, Wednesday, November 18, 10:18:20am (193.128.202.132)
- a) 1-1, b) 1-2, c) 1-1, d) 3-0 e) 0-0, f) 1-3, g) 2-0 h) 2-2, i) 2-0 j) 1-0 (NT) -- Roycboyc, Wednesday, November 18, 10:36:15am (213.48.46.141)
- a) 1-1 b) 1-1 c) 1-1 d) 2-0 e) 1-0 f) 0-1 g) 1-0 h) 1-0 i) 1-0 j) 1-0 (NT) -- Dougie, Wednesday, November 18, 10:38:33am (195.188.171.4)
- a) 1-1, b) 1-0, c) 1-1, d) 4-0, e) 1-0, f) 1-1, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 2-0, j) 1-0 -- THS, Wednesday, November 18, 10:56:13am (94.194.19.239)
- a) 2-2, b) 0-1, c) 1-2, d) 2-0, e) 1-1, f) 0-2, g) 2-0, h) 2-1, i) 3-1, j) 1-1 (NT) -- Doodles, Wednesday, November 18, 01:55:10pm (94.5.22.197)
- a) 2-2, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 4-0, e) 0-0, f) 1-2 g) 2-0, h) 2-1, i) 2-1, j) 2-0 (NT) -- Dad of FFC, Wednesday, November 18, 02:15:10pm (62.3.74.85)
- a) 1-1, b) 0-2, c) 1-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 0-0, i) 2-0, j) 1-0 (NT) -- The Moose, Wednesday, November 18, 02:27:36pm (82.132.138.250)
- a.2-1 b.2-1 c.2-1 d.2-1 e.2-1 f.2-1 g.2-1 h.2-1 i.2-1 j.2-1 (NT) -- MOR :, Wednesday, November 18, 02:53:33pm (79.70.36.238)
- (a 1-1 b) 1-2 c) 1-2 d) 4-0 e) 1-1 f) 0-2 g) 2-0 h) 1-1 i) 3-0 j) 2-0 (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Wednesday, November 18, 03:49:01pm (92.21.55.70)
- a) 1-3, b) 1-2, c) 2-2, d) 4-0, e) 1-0, f) 1-3, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 2-1, j) 2-2 -- Kyle, Wednesday, November 18, 04:17:19pm (149.254.51.9)
- a) 1-2, b) 1-3, c) 0-3, d) 3-0, e) 2-1, f) 1-0, g) 2-0, h) 1-2, i) 2-0, j) 1-0 -- joshfulham, Wednesday, November 18, 05:02:32pm (82.8.134.94)
- a) 2-1, b) 2-2, c) 1-1, d) 3-1, e) 1-1, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 2-1, i) 2-1, j) 2-0 -- Andy Sayers Personal Trainer, Wednesday, November 18, 07:22:57pm (60.240.61.84)
- a) 2-1, b) 3-0, c) 1-2, d) 5-0, e) 1-0, f) 1-3, g) 3-0, h) 0-2, i) 3-1, j) 1-2 (NT) -- woodman, Wednesday, November 18, 09:59:20pm (80.40.144.75)
- a) 1-1, b) 0-0, c) 1-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-2, f) 1-2, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 3-1, j) 1-0 -- Houghtons Chip, Wednesday, November 18, 10:26:01pm (90.195.207.241)
- a) 2-1 b) 0-1 c) 1-1 d) 3-0 e) 0-1 f) 2-2 g) 2-0 h) 0-0 i) 2-0 j) 1-0 (NT) -- Kev F, Thursday, November 19, 09:02:21am (82.8.181.113)
- a) 1-2 b) 2-1 c) 1-0 d) 4-1 e) 2-1 f) 1-1 g) 3-1 h) 2-1 i) 3-0 j) 2-1 (NT) -- Maidstone Andy, Thursday, November 19, 07:23:32pm (91.109.255.130)
- a) 2-2, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-3, g) 2-0, h) 1-1, i) 2-0, j) 2-1 (NT) -- cooperiser, Thursday, November 19, 08:06:52pm (90.214.80.132)
- a) 1-0, b) 2-1, c) 0-2, d) 2-0, e) 2-1, f) 1-1, g) 2-1, h) 2-1, i) 2-0 j) 2-1 (NT) -- lawro, Thursday, November 19, 08:37:04pm (80.177.172.197)
- a) 2-1, b) 2-1, c) 1-1, d) 2-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-1, g) 2-1, h) 1-1, i) 2-0, j) 2-0 (NT) -- padmac, Thursday, November 19, 08:40:33pm (80.177.172.197)
- a ) 2-2 b ) 1-3 c) 1-2 d ) 3-0 e ) 1 - 1 f ) 1-2 g ) 2-0 h ) 1-1 i ) 2-0 j ) 2-1 (NT) -- Big Al, Thursday, November 19, 09:11:45pm (92.233.121.213)
- a) 2-2, b) 0-1, c) 0-1, d) 3-0, e) 0-1, f) 1-3, g) 2-0, h) 1-0, i) 2-0, j) 1-0 (NT) -- sydneyffc, Thursday, November 19, 09:12:33pm (144.132.145.203)
- a) 1-0, b) 1-1, c) 0-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-1, f) 1-3, g) 2-0, h) 2-0, i) 3-1, j) 2-1 (NT) -- bantsil, Thursday, November 19, 09:26:26pm (80.177.172.197)
- a) 0-2, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 7-0, e) 0-0, f) 1-2, g) 3-1, h) 1-1, i) 2-0, j) 2-0 (NT) -- Alan, Thursday, November 19, 10:34:39pm (90.221.51.154)
- a) 2-1, b) 1-1, c) 1-1, d) 4-0, e) 0-1, f) 1-1, g) 2-0, h) 2-2, i) 3-1, j) 2-1 (NT) -- CB, Friday, November 20, 01:34:32pm (86.167.154.255)
- a) 2-1 , b) 2-1 , c) 1-2 , d) 3-0 , e) 1-1 , f) 1-2 , g) 2-1 , h) 1-1 , i) 3-1 , j) 1-2 (NT) -- Albert Square, Friday, November 20, 03:10:58pm (81.153.250.17)
- a) 1-2, b) 0-3, c) 1-0, d) 5-0, e) 0-2, f) 1-3, g) 2-0, h) 2-2, i) 1-0, j) 1-1 (NT) -- desmond, Friday, November 20, 04:03:03pm (62.231.150.210)
- a) 2-1, b) 0-1, c) 1-2, d) 3-0, e) 1-2, f) 0-1, g) 2-0, h) 2-1, i) 2-0, j) 1-1 (NT) -- Gary, Friday, November 20, 04:14:21pm (193.118.251.61)
- a) 2-2 b) 1-0 c) 1-2 d) 4-0 e) 1-1 f) 1-3 g) 2-0 h) 1-2 i) 3-0 j) 3- 1 (NT) -- fulhamski, Friday, November 20, 04:18:38pm (86.176.84.226)
- a) 1-1 b) 1-0 c) 0-2 d) 4-0 e) 2-1 f) 2-1 g) 1-0 h) 1-1 i ) 2-0 j) 2-1 (NT) -- JamesS, Friday, November 20, 06:38:58pm (81.154.128.189)
- a) 2-1, b) 1-1, c) 1-2, d) 4-0, e) 2-1, f) 1-3, g) 3-1, h) 2-0, i) 2-0, j) 1-0 (NT) -- MoS, Friday, November 20, 07:11:53pm (90.218.236.41)
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