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To change the subject from Tennis & unfounded transfer rumour ... -- HC, Saturday, July 04, 01:46:08am (90.193.197.114)
Blur were absolutely top notch at Hyde Park. Total gear or two up from their efforts at Glastonbury. Brilliant live performance that put their doubters down who said they couldn't play big open air gigs well. Here's hoping the reunion isn't temporary ... as Albarn, James, Coxon & Roundtree are proper talent & a new Blur album (they are rumoured to be writing new tracks) would be most welcome ... much better than those Manc uni-brow t*ssers eh Cheggs!

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- You mean the barton twins? (NT) -- ................, Saturday, July 04, 06:14:23am (93.96.34.197)
he lost -- syd, Saturday, July 04, 01:19:46am (96.251.116.220)
murray lost, great. a twat who hates england , but wants the english support.If u hate england that much murray don't come here, i dislike pakistain and I don't go there, murray is a hypocrit and im delighted he's out......

ps have you missed me, well im back...love syd

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- kerwan (NT) -- an anagram, Saturday, July 04, 01:24:44am (90.193.197.114)
- Learn how to spell and we'll have a bit more respect for you. Can't you use the English language properly? Your mother tongue? (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 01:33:46am (82.11.13.166)
  - i've never understood people who use the "why can't you speak english properly" argument. surely his actual argument was flawed enough that it didn't need discrediting based on it's lack of accuracy? (NT) -- s, Saturday, July 04, 02:04:33am (85.189.60.103)
    - although, i'll add to that- it's a fair point wen ppl ryt lk ds, that's just retarded (NT) -- s, Saturday, July 04, 02:13:01am (85.189.60.103)
Clinging on to something -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 12:47:33am (82.11.13.166)
I love it that we are getting so wound up about bloody tennis when in a few weeks we could not give a shit about it! It's just a very very poor replacement for competitive football and all this Murray business is helping some people through the drought of getting het up about Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal/Man Utd/Brentford/Newcastle/West Ham/QPR/Bobby Zamora/Derby County/etc/etc/etc.

Shit, what a barren period of time during June/early July without any tangible football news.

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- Less than a week to the 1st Test of the Ashes. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Saturday, July 04, 12:58:52am (144.132.145.147)
- f*ck tennis (NT) -- Marx, Saturday, July 04, 01:16:46am (86.134.45.173)
- Sorry, couldn't give a toss about cricket either....At best, mildly diverting. (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 01:31:31am (82.11.13.166)
European bound whites -- American Mike, Friday, July 03, 11:16:34pm (86.146.243.193)
For all you crazy kids who are looking to head Europe to see the mighty Fulham FC.

The draw on the 17th July is to find out when we play play home and away. We don't actually find out who we play until 23rd July.

Best hope we draw the home leg first if you want more time to play the away day.

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- *play (NT) -- American Mike, Friday, July 03, 11:19:14pm (86.146.243.193)
- What!?! So we have something like 4 days to plan and book a holiday. Great. (NT) -- AM, Saturday, July 04, 12:06:47am (91.104.100.205)
- Llanelli won 1-0 at Motherwell! Cracking league, SPL (NT) -- Dougie, Saturday, July 04, 12:09:21am (78.105.149.240)
- Motherwell lost at home to that lot? That is rather shameful. (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 12:56:26am (82.11.13.166)
Dempsey -- ffc123 (`), Friday, July 03, 10:59:10pm (81.155.185.165)
Does anyone know if the stories linking Dempsey with Everton are of any truth?

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- From what I understand, Tim cahill is a target for Manunited (Ł20 million) and Dempsey was suggested as a possible replacement (although I don't know why). But i've also heard that RH wouldn't be too bothered if CD moves on. But like many of these transfer rumours, you never really know exactly what to believe. (NT) -- ......................, Friday, July 03, 11:26:39pm (93.96.34.197)
  - I expect he is a little bothered if CD moves on but wouldn't mind reinvesting the cash. Same goes for BH. It's hard to take in as fans but every player has their price. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:31:20pm (144.132.145.147)
- Who do you think leaked the Dempsey link? His agent of course! He had a good Confed Cup, ontop of a good season so there would be no better time for Clint to get a big pay packet. Smart ploy by Clints agent tbh, doubt Everton would want him anyway. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, July 03, 11:30:36pm (89.101.95.229)
who gives the flying crap about tennis ?? who give a monkey about that illeterate scot?? all i want to know is where is gudjohnsen?? -- p, Friday, July 03, 10:43:14pm (82.132.139.58)

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- "Illeterate"? This is a joke, yes? (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 10:46:27pm (144.132.145.147)
- Gudjohnsen is in Barcelona (NT) -- RB, Friday, July 03, 10:54:23pm (89.243.175.4)
- I agree about Murray. But I certainly don't want EG at Fulham, not unless we get him on a free and around Ł20-25,000 a week wages. Even in his prime at Chelsea he wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. Quite amazing Barca even bothered with him, but then these spanish clubs have been known to sign some strange players. He hasn't really had that much football for 2 seasons and isn't exactly development age or material. Perhaps a reasonable squad player, but we need a dependable goal scorer. Give me crouch over EG anyday of the week. Crouch causes problems in the box, works his socks off and is very quick and skillful with his feet for a big man. Not to mention the little point of him being a very effective goal scorer. If we are prepared to meet the high end wages, then it has to be Crouch. (NT) -- ....................................., Friday, July 03, 11:05:41pm (93.96.34.197)
  - Putting aside the "spanish clubs have been known to sign some strange players" comment (Prem clubs only sign world-beaters, no?). I'd love Gudjohnsen at FFC. Very creative player whose lack of pace doesn't hamper him as his footballing intelligence keeps him one move ahead in most games. Having said that, I'd love for us to sign Peter Crouch too. He'd form a great partnership with AJ and could work with Kamara and Nevland well too. He gets goals and is as good on the deck as he is in the air so could play in the system we have quite comfortably if needs be. If we did sign PC, it'd also indicate a willingness to bring in a decent winger or two, which would increase chances for the front two. The way we play currently is full of considered and thoughtful build up play but I don't think this (or our defensive shape/work ethic) would have to be compromised with a proper winger in the side. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:17:23pm (144.132.145.147)
- a reasonable squad player? i think you have lost your marbles mate. he is top quality. (NT) -- ambulance geezer, Friday, July 03, 11:08:42pm (86.151.20.35)
  - Top quality eh? Perhaps you won't mind backing that belief up with some goal scoring statistics from his time at Barca then? His shirt wouldn't have "Bench warmer" on the back if he was "Top quality". (NT) -- ................., Friday, July 03, 11:13:45pm (93.96.34.197)
    - Come off it, Barcelona are a decent side and have got one or two handy players in attack. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:18:56pm (144.132.145.147)
      - But he's been there a few seasons now and how many has he scored? He's had playing time and the reasons he's on the bench is because he doesn't score goals when given the opportunity. Players like Henry got there after him. (NT) -- ...................., Friday, July 03, 11:21:57pm (93.96.34.197)
        
        There's still the little matter of Eto'o, Messi and Ronaldinho to get in the team ahead of. Anyway, I don't see him as much of a goalscorer (how could you with that record?) but more of a Bergkamp/Sheringham/Beardsley. Check out their scoring records. I doubt Lineker would have ended one short of Bobby Charlton without Beardsley in the team. Same goes for Shearer/Sheringham. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:26:25pm (144.132.145.147)
        
        But EG would be bought to score goals, as we don't have an effective striker. Even as a play maker, he's not that good in my opinion and i've seen quite a bit of him over the years. If RH makes a bid for him, it'll be to score goals, nothing else. This is why I don't blieve he's even a realistic target, but more a media distraction to hide our true ambitions. As for Hleb, he's a different class and different type of player. There is no comparison. Ones a striker and the other is a cultured play-maker. The reason Hleb wants out of Barca is he's struggling with the style of football (according to reports) but he was excellent in the premiership. EG, on the other hand, wasn't that good in the premiership and is completely out of his depth in Spain. (NT) -- ..................., Friday, July 03, 11:32:22pm (93.96.34.197)
        
        Fair enough if you don't think he's much of a playmaker (I disagree). I also disagree re: Hleb. I think he's poo. Anyway, if EG was to come, I don't agree that he'd be bought as a goalscorer. We have AJ, Kamara and Nevland as our poacher strikers. I'd see him as a direct and massive upgrade on BZ. He'd be the one tasked with unlocking opposition defences and creating chances for one of the aforementioned poachers. But that's just my opinion and like you, I doubt it's a realistic target of Hodgson's. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:36:10pm (144.132.145.147)
        
        Fair comments. Can you honestly see him doing the job of Zamora though. Or should I say, bought to try and do what Zamora was suppose to do.... i.e. hold up play, and disrupt defenses with physcial strength? EG isn't that type of stature; he's not strong or powerful enough to be bought in as a replacement for Zamora in my opinion. But we'll see in time. (NT) -- ..............................., Friday, July 03, 11:40:15pm (93.96.34.197)
        
        Obviously each player has their own individual strengths and weaknesses. I just feel that in a 4-4-2, the two strikers should be one of strength OR creativity and one of pure poaching instincts OR pace. Obviously the higher you get up the football ladder, the more sophisticated your play becomes and strikers are less likely to be needed to be of that sort of pigeon-holed ilk but even at our level (as a midtable Prem side) that's the blue-print, for me at least. This is why I honestly saw BZ as first choice striker for the majority of last season NOT BECAUSE HE WAS THE BEST QUALITY but because he was the only striker who could offer the strength side of the partnership. IN MY OPINION the other 3 (AJ, DK and EN) were more of the poacher type. Obviously BZ was a disappointment (a MASSIVE one to many people on here), esp in terms of goals, and due to our lack of options on that side of the strike partnership, an EG (creative) or PC (strength/goals) is a MUST BUY this window IMO. (NT) -- Sorry about the CAPS in some places -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:50:37pm (144.132.145.147)
        
        So by your reckoning is Hleb a reasonable squad player? (NT) -- Mike, Friday, July 03, 11:27:11pm (89.101.95.229)
    - You need to take account of who is ahead of him at Barca i.e henry and eto many players would struggle to start ahead of them (NT) -- RB, Friday, July 03, 11:20:38pm (89.243.175.4)
Tennis Help -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 09:58:15pm (92.40.111.199)
I don't know a lot about tennis but I do enjoy watching it when it is a good game. Can any of the experts on here tell me what Pete Sampras was like? I seem to remember hearing his name bundles when I was younger but not so much these days. Was he the best or the modern era?

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- Don't think he was as good as Federer technically but could play all the shots and was a grafter. Awesome record. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 10:00:42pm (144.132.145.147)
- Incredibly accurate serve, wasnt originally a grass court player but soon adapted. Pretty much unbeatable on grass but his tennis was relentlessly boring IMO, preferred to watch Agassi by a mile. (NT) -- Lol, Friday, July 03, 10:03:15pm (90.200.197.203)
  - How good was Agassi? I remember his hair thats about it! (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 10:05:25pm (92.40.111.199)
    - Agassi won all four slams, something Sampras couldnt do, and he was always good to watch. If you can, watch his last US Open final against Federer, the first two sets are as exciting as you'll ever find tennis (and I dont find tennis exciting). (NT) -- Lol, Friday, July 03, 10:46:42pm (90.200.197.203)
  - I agree with Lol, but that era of men's tennis was generally pretty boring imo - new racket technology meant more power, faster serves, less artistry. Agassi was capable of artistry but he had to play the percentage game to achieve. (NT) -- k, Friday, July 03, 10:13:28pm (79.74.23.116)
- Sampras was very reliant on his serve to win games. Sampras never won at Roland Garos as his serve was nulified by the slow clay surface. Federer without doubt is the greatest of all time, he has the game which is suited to all surfaces. When Federer won at Roland Garos he become only the 6th person to win all four slams. If Federer beats Roddick on Sunday he will surpass Sampras with 15 grand slams and undoubably take his place as the greatest player of all time. (NT) -- RB, Friday, July 03, 10:40:35pm (89.243.175.4)
- Thanks lads very helpful. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 10:48:37pm (92.40.111.199)
- Despite all that, none of them are McEnroe though are they? (NT) -- SW, Friday, July 03, 11:00:25pm (82.25.15.182)
- Sampras, brilliant but boring as hell. Would not entice you to watch more tennis, unlike the others mentioned on here, especially the marvelous Agassi. Always a joy to watch, who cares about the titles. (NT) -- CB, Friday, July 03, 11:09:33pm (86.144.233.250)
  - YEAH! (NT) -- ManUnited-18/Liverpool-18... I doubt either of them cares who wins the next title! -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 11:21:18pm (144.132.145.147)
- Sampras was A1 - boring p'raps - but a real nice guy. Really getting irked with all this anti-Murray feeling. I'm as English as anyone - he's grown up since those anti-English comments - so I can appreciate him being a Brit. Turn the page & move on. All that said - credit to Roddick, awesome performance - can he keep up these standards for Sunday though? (NT) -- Mullein, Friday, July 03, 11:47:47pm (86.13.18.10)
- The top 4 now, potentially are as good as the game has seen. (NT) -- GBLB, Saturday, July 04, 02:23:42am (149.254.49.79)
Owen completes move -- ..................., Friday, July 03, 09:39:09pm (93.96.34.197)
Obviously passed a stringent medical and is fit. I had a feeling he was just disinterested as opposed to injured during his spell at Newcastle. And lets face it, Newcastle f**k everyones careers up.

The quality of Owen and his goal scoring record at Liverpool and Real Madrid, even Newcastle for that matter, tells its own story about the lads natural talent and quality.

I'm really pleased about all this because hopefully it'll give our national team back the only real world class finisher and striker this country has. But in order for that to happen he has to be on a football stage fitting of his true ability, and there is none better domestically than Manunited.

I have a feeling we'll see a micheal owen of old and he will go on to be the top scorer in the Premiership next season. Players like that can only perform at the very top level; its in their nature.

Said it before; great for England.

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- i kind of agree accept he will be a bench player at united so wont score loads (NT) -- RAC, Friday, July 03, 09:48:05pm (82.21.195.235)
  - Yeah, I can appreciate that point of view. However, at only 29, he still has the legs to play 90 minutes if he's scoring goals and performing. I personally think he'll be first choice with-in a couple of games and demote Berbo to the bench leaving an all english front 2 of Rooney and Owen, unless of course Ferguson is successful with his bid for another striker, then Rooney will play behind the strikers again. But I still feel Owen is going to surpise lots of people and return to where he belongs - at the very top. (NT) -- ...................., Friday, July 03, 09:52:14pm (93.96.34.197)
    - Gosh, you're quite a fan aren't you? I can see why - his record is very strong. What I don't like about him is his attitude. I know that Newcastle isn't a great place to be, but he chose to go, was being paid a lot, yet never really seemed interested. I cannot respect that. (NT) -- White, Friday, July 03, 09:57:37pm (86.163.6.213)
- Good signing for United and MO. Shame for England as it confirms that Rooney won't be playing upfront next season with Berbatov and now Owen able to play the 1 in the 4-2-3-1. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 09:54:48pm (144.132.145.147)
  - I don't believe for a moment that Rooney will be dislodged by Berba. Berba has been one of the worst signings for a while - certainly since Veron. He was hugely disappointing. Shouldn't be judged just on this though, and he might be different next season. For me he is a flat track bully and only tends too score against very average teams. Rooney was on fire last season - despite playing a lot out wide (NT) -- White, Friday, July 03, 10:02:34pm (86.163.6.213)
    - That's what I'm saying. Rooney played out wide most of last season. Berbatov was up front with WR and CR on the wings. I was hoping that Rooney would be the lone striker this season so that he could prepare for the WC but now that Owen's arrived he'll stay out on the wing. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 10:06:33pm (144.132.145.147)
      - No idea what Fergie plans, but overall, I would still be surprised to see Rooney dislodged by Berba (NT) -- White, Friday, July 03, 10:08:10pm (86.163.6.213)
- Does moving to Man United automatically put him back in the England squad, Mr Capello? (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 09:59:16pm (144.132.145.147)
- Owen is finished at the top level, if he was one of his racehorses he would have been shot by now. Smacks of desperation by Fergie imo as they are struggling to attract and keep the real top level players they need. (NT) -- p, Friday, July 03, 10:34:14pm (92.40.160.243)
  - Finished at top level? You think? He hardly played for Newcastle in 2 seasons and still banged in 23 goals. Hardly "Finished". At 29 with such a challange given to him as part of a very strong, talented and experienced side as Manunited, he'll be scoring for fun in no time. Forget his performances at Newcastle, they are known for destroying everyones confidence and careers. (NT) -- ......................., Friday, July 03, 11:16:26pm (93.96.34.197)
Roddick... -- TtY, Friday, July 03, 08:21:34pm (206.53.147.18)
reminded me of Brian McBride. Fit, focused, full of grit, determination, steely nerves and professionalism. How do we consistently turn out athletes with this ethos? Murray, whose "mania" we've just relieved you of, stands to learn much.

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- what a cack post...... how about the 2,000 losers , that you sought of forget,,,,,,, 1 wimbledon finalist in the last ? 10 years,, mate you need a reality check,,,, moms apple pie, (NT) -- mcb, Friday, July 03, 08:28:05pm (90.205.49.248)
  - I could be wrong, but doesn't the US have the most Wimbledon Champions? (NT) -- dstriker, Saturday, July 04, 01:19:00am (76.185.121.108)
- id like to remind you that the record is still 6 wins to 3 in murrays favour... (NT) -- ambulance geezer, Friday, July 03, 08:28:25pm (86.151.20.35)
- Over time, we've had mor Wimbledon Champs, Olympic Gold medalists and, overall, great athletes with the right attitude, than any other nation. Now, piss off to Scotland and see how you're welcomed, McB (NT) -- TtY, Friday, July 03, 08:38:35pm (206.53.147.18)
- no mate english through and through,, you shermans are full of it , ..if you win..... other than that total average,,,, win a world cup in something that means alot,,,,, not the world series of rounders,,, the super bowel,,,. Win something that the world will stand up and notice... no you won't ever .. you ain't good enough.... accept where you are in the worlds sports order and accept., Down the pub having a giraffe. (NT) -- mcb, Friday, July 03, 08:49:06pm (90.205.49.248)
  - The super bowel is a massive pile of shite (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 10:46:20pm (63.208.180.6)
  - ain't good enough? Are you serious?....please..... (NT) -- dstriker, Saturday, July 04, 12:49:05am (76.185.121.108)
- good riddance to Murray Now I can be spared the gurning mother of his! (NT) -- >, Friday, July 03, 08:58:33pm (86.150.50.255)
- why dont you piss off to an mls board mate (NT) -- ambulance geezer, Friday, July 03, 09:02:01pm (86.151.20.35)
- TtY - I don;t know if you are right or wrong, but you really ought to put your claim in context of, say, how many top-class sportsmen per 1000 population. Latest stats show USA pop at 306,814,000 and UK at a little over 61 million. If you are making comparison it should be on a like for like basis. (NT) -- k, Friday, July 03, 09:05:24pm (79.74.23.116)
  - And having just looked, I see that including today Murray has played Roddick 9 times and leads 6 matches to 3. Kind of blows your argument. (NT) -- k, Friday, July 03, 09:08:39pm (79.74.23.116)
- Not Murrays best performance today, But he'll be back for sure. Roddick played his best tennis to win that, Murray had an off day - happens. Yanks do love to gloat don't they. (NT) -- CB, Friday, July 03, 09:10:19pm (86.144.233.250)
- There is no doubt the Americans are superior in regard to sporting talent and ability to us in the UK. No argument there whatsoever. But being professionally involved in the area of athelete development, I can assure you drugs play a massive role in that domination as does the size of your population by comparison to ours. (NT) -- ................., Friday, July 03, 09:16:47pm (93.96.34.197)
  - If by "athletes" you mean "professional wrestlers, early-mid 2000s baseball players, and Dwight Howard" then I agree with you. But for the most part, drug testing is very strict now. (NT) -- richardhkirkando, Saturday, July 04, 12:17:59am (97.88.245.202)
    - If you don't think performance enhancing drugs aren't still running rampant in the NFL, MLB, college athletics, olympic sports, and almost any other athletic sport in the US...you are truly not paying attention.... (NT) -- dstriker, Saturday, July 04, 12:40:59am (76.185.121.108)
- Think it's a fair post. Please dont confuse Murray with an Englishman though (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 09:18:59pm (67.228.101.165)
  - Yep. Very true. The original post is pretty much spot on. However, Murray is just an obnoxious self absorbed sweaty who started to believe he was something special instead of accepting the truth. He's had a few good results and no one can take it away from him, but world class? Doubtful. See where he is in a couple of years and if his career is comparable to the greats such as Becker, Samprass, Federer, Aggassi etc. In my opinion, he's just not in that class. (NT) -- ...................., Friday, July 03, 09:22:44pm (93.96.34.197)
    - Before writing Murray off, do keep in mind that Federer was 24 before he won his first grand slam! Muray is, what, 22? (NT) -- Doodles, Friday, July 03, 10:33:56pm (90.211.242.198)
- Yes Tom, struck me as very gracious in victory too. Spoke well of Murray and respectfully about Federer and Wimbledon. I don't really follow tennis but he strikes me as a decent bloke and he played really well today..... (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, July 03, 09:23:22pm (94.194.22.36)
  - Murray WILL win a major - guaranteed .... and IMO he will win Wimbledon at least once. -- HC, Saturday, July 04, 01:57:44am (90.193.197.114)
Tennis -- Wilkkkee, Friday, July 03, 07:28:39pm (137.186.181.164)
I don't often watch much tennis but these two are obviously tremendous players. The one thing though that turns me off watching is the continuous "fist pumping" after every won point from Mr. Murray. Please stop it!!

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- Looks a little better from him than it did from Tiger Tim though! In truth they all do it - these things (like bloody grunting from the women) tend to follow a fashion. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, July 03, 07:31:13pm (86.155.228.170)
- Murray loses! A nation grieves- SCOTLAND!!!!!!!! (NT) -- Rollerball, Friday, July 03, 07:36:12pm (92.1.184.203)
- His little petulant outbursts at the Umpire and the way he kept smashing balls away when the point was lost didn't do him any favours either. Totally dislikeable human being. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 07:38:05pm (92.40.29.114)
  - Yeah, what a scumbag.... (NT) -- HammersmithEnder, Friday, July 03, 07:56:36pm (217.42.173.154)
  - That 'outburst to the umpire" was in fact a (correct) questioning of a code violation being awarded to him. The umpire was later heard to say "I may have got it wrong". (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 08:30:31pm (94.195.23.70)
- Too right, the guy shows passion he gets shafted on here. OK for Mcenroe but not Murray I guess. Poor guy is a no winner either way, for some narrow minded toss pots on here. (NT) -- CB, Friday, July 03, 09:17:09pm (86.144.233.250)
  - typical tiff post... narrow minded if you prefer an American to a totally dislikeable scot. When Henman did the fist thing for crucial points the 'clique' hated him for it. Murray does it for every point and they love it! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 09:21:49pm (67.228.101.165)
  - are you calling me a tosspot because I don't like the "fist pumping:?...........Nothing wrong with passion regardless of what fucking country you are from you ignorant c unt..................but every shot................give me a fugging break.......................idiot!! (NT) -- Wilkkkee, Saturday, July 04, 05:38:34am (137.186.181.164)
FFC - MAN U -- -, Friday, July 03, 07:26:37pm (86.142.3.130)
Hi, does anyone have any links of the full 90 minutes of the FFC - Man U game that can be downloaded?
Thanks

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- No but I have BT Vision and it has a sports replay function that allows you to watch any of the old setanta games. I think it is very extended highlights. (NT) -- Scorer, Friday, July 03, 07:42:17pm (86.147.81.181)
- You can download a torrent of FFC vs MUFC 21/03/09 from TheBox. You'll have to download a bittorrent client such as uTorrent first (http://www.utorrent.com/downloads), if you don't already have one. Then sign up to TheBox.bz (http://www.thebox.bz/signup.php). If you're still reading this, and know what I'm on about the direct link can be found HERE. (NT) -- sydneyffc, Friday, July 03, 10:32:38pm (144.132.145.147)
  - cheers (NT) -- -, Friday, July 03, 10:49:59pm (86.142.3.130)
Murray and Owen -- ......................., Friday, July 03, 07:13:53pm (93.96.34.197)
Its strange that even though Murray gives the impression he’s anti-English, his game tends to have the very bottle job proclivity of the English players. He may not like the English, but from a sporting perspective he’s very much ‘bangers and mash’.

Its great news he’s out of Wimbledon. The hype surrounding this arrogant skirt wearing porridge muncher was becoming very tedious. At least the press will get an opportunity to shoot him down in flames and resign his ability to the long list of flash in the pans who preceded him.

And who was it that said I was talking shit a couple of weeks ago when I predicted Ferguson was the most likely manager to sign Owen?

Despite Owens turbulent couple of seasons at Newcastle, he is still one of the finest goal scorers in world football. I personally feel he just wasn’t interested in playing for Newcastle and totally lost interest in the game. Ferguson will undoubtedly rekindle that desire and return Owen to one of the best marksmen in European and world football. Of that I have no doubt. Owen is still class.

Good for Manunited and even better for England. Ferguson will have the finest finisher in the game and not pay a penny for him. Great business.

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- i think you are amazing. (NT) -- ambulance geezer, Friday, July 03, 07:25:46pm (86.151.20.35)
- I'll have to disagree on both points. Murray is the real deal and will undoubtedly win a Grand Slam in time. Owen was one of the best in the business but I doubt he will ever recapture that form again & I suspect he will be a squad player at Man U, starting in the less important games. Still, from his point of view a damn good move. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, July 03, 07:28:26pm (86.155.228.170)
- is Ferguson not a skirt-wearing porridge-muncher? (NT) -- scot, Friday, July 03, 07:29:07pm (81.157.30.39)
- Amazing ! (NT) -- Grace, Friday, July 03, 07:29:56pm (78.149.139.19)
- The finest finisher in the game? That's nearly as good as comparing Sean Davis's passing ability with Murphys... stay on the Angel Dust it provides me with great entertainment. (NT) -- DET, Friday, July 03, 07:54:03pm (82.132.139.4)
  - There’s the problem; I never made any comparisons - it was your interpretation of what I said. I simply said that Sean davis had an excellent passing range and could split defenses with his vision and that Murphy and Davis in the midfield would be a formidable partnership. However, as usual, you chose to blow it all out of proportion and fabricate your own version of events. And secondly, my post above suggests Owen will become the finest finisher in the game once ferguson has rekindled his desire for the game. Just because you misinterpret my comments or even simply disagree, why you feel it justified to blurt your twaddle about angel dust etc is beyond me. You’re basically saying that everyone else is wrong except you. Now that’s very short sighted and arrogant. I was accused of being on drugs when I said Ferguson would sign Owen 2 weeks ago. Enough said. (NT) -- ......................, Friday, July 03, 08:12:52pm (93.96.34.197)
- You love to stroke your own ego yet hate to be proved wrong. ie Hangeland is DEFINATELY going to Arsenal (still waiting) (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 12:52:16am (82.11.13.166)
  - What an earth are you talking about now, Joe? How has the above proved me wrong or suggest I love to stroke my ego? At the end of the day i'm a Fulham fan who comments of issues relating to the club. Being interested in the speculation and having an opinion on whats best for the club is what these forums are about. I'm amazed (especially after the last run-in we had) that you continue to try and antagonise me at every opportunity. The last time you were completely blown out the water and unsurprisingly vanished. I was told Hangeland was moving, so I put it on the board as a topic of obvious interest. If it doesn't happen, so what? You think i'm bothered what you, or anyone else thinks? You're nothong to me mate and your opinion means even less. Think its time you realised that and stop making a fool of yourself with worthless observations and comments which often hold no relevence to the context you're responding too. Like now. (NT) -- ...................., Saturday, July 04, 01:18:59am (93.96.34.197)
Montella Retires -- FFCFC, Friday, July 03, 07:13:02pm (90.217.129.199)
Translated from Italian:

2 July 2009 - Thanks Vincenzo

Vincenzo Montella after an extraordinary career and so many wonderful years in giallorosso leaves football played. Montella remain in the family giallorossa, as he himself declared in an RomaChannel granted today, which will broadcast at 18.30.

Montella said "It takes a while 'to get used to this idea. There are moments in life where we must be able to choose and have the strength to stop when someone still sorry. With this company there is a real relationship and I want to thank this opportunity to work in youth, a new adventure when I throw with enthusiasm. "Even the DT Bruno Conti Vincenzo greeted the microphones of TV giallorossa "We talked all of his future and I am proud of the fact that desire to pursue careers in our area youth."

Source:
http://www.asroma.it/NewsDoc.aspx?Categoria=ITArchivioNews&Documento=10417

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USA! -- John, Friday, July 03, 06:50:45pm (79.70.12.190)
Well done Rodders!

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- (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 06:56:55pm (193.62.153.38)
  - Sue Barker just said "British tennis will have to wait another year". I reckon they should hold other tennis tournaments during the year. I reckon they'd be popular. (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 06:58:24pm (81.178.45.61)
    - There is - the Masters at the 02 Arena later this year. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, July 03, 07:00:59pm (86.155.228.170)
    - Isn't there some French bloke who's trying to set up a tournament in his back garden? Roland Garros I think he's called. It'll never catch on (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 07:11:01pm (193.62.153.38)
    - wow, imagine if they held tournaments in other countries too, that'll be awesome. (NT) -- Lol in H7, Saturday, July 04, 12:00:16am (86.2.184.10)
GET IN!!!!!!!!!!! -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 06:43:32pm (67.228.101.165)
Now the TIFF clique can concentrate their efforts on cheering on Australia in the ashes!

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- +1 (NT) -- FFCFC, Friday, July 03, 06:48:52pm (90.217.129.199)
- get a life (NT) -- jambo, Friday, July 03, 06:49:28pm (217.171.129.71)
  - Eh? You upset? haha ;o). So easy to fish on here! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 06:50:26pm (67.228.101.165)
    - not upset, in fact don't care at all, still wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire WUM (NT) -- jambo, Friday, July 03, 10:13:05pm (217.171.129.71)
- Your anti-Britishness just made this bulldog cry:
  (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 06:52:36pm (81.178.45.61)
- Hurrah, we're going to smash the oiks! (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 08:33:37pm (94.195.23.70)
- Tw@ (NT) -- Zfk, Friday, July 03, 09:04:46pm (87.194.207.41)
That blimmin useless sweaty -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 06:40:30pm (81.178.45.61)
Why doesn't he naff off to Paraguay?

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i really hope the crouch rumours are a load of rubbish >.< -- BlaWharmy fan, Friday, July 03, 05:19:31pm (90.196.219.158)

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- Why? He's a decent player. I can understand that the money might be an issue, but based on purely footballing reasons, I'd have him (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 05:31:13pm (193.62.153.181)
- ten times the player Zamora is -- HC, Friday, July 03, 05:36:28pm (90.195.207.224)
- Mo has more than once complained about high wage earners. Can't see him raising the wage ceiling for Crouch and would Crouch really think that his best chance of getting into the England team is by playing for Fulham? (NT) -- Senor cohen, Friday, July 03, 05:49:30pm (194.176.105.39)
- what kind of idiot wouldnt want peter crouch at fulham? (NT) -- ambulance geezer, Friday, July 03, 05:50:57pm (86.151.20.35)
  - Portsmouth fans (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 05:52:25pm (193.62.153.38)
- I think it's just paper talk, perhaps to suggest to other clubs (we might be trying to deal with) that we have other options (NT) -- bish, Friday, July 03, 05:59:25pm (82.4.199.108)
- Would be a fantastic signing for us. Would give us so many different options. (NT) -- CB, Friday, July 03, 05:59:28pm (86.144.233.250)
- Cant really think of a better striker would could realistically get. Thats 15 prem goals a season right there. How could anyone not want him at Fulham? (NT) -- THS, Friday, July 03, 06:03:59pm (80.194.5.42)
  - Exactly. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Friday, July 03, 06:06:25pm (86.155.228.170)
- i am not his biggest fan but him amd AJ would be superb......and well worth he money. (NT) -- odriscoll on the wing, Friday, July 03, 06:08:33pm (86.40.204.30)
- He is good but might not Obafini Martins be cheaper and as good?Zamora with the cool and accurate shooting of Nevland would be best.If (fans) got off his back we might even have that. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, July 03, 06:17:31pm (86.141.121.217)
  - No Martins is a completely different kind of player and doesnt score nearly as many goals (NT) -- THS, Friday, July 03, 06:31:23pm (80.194.5.42)
- He is a current England player and would be perfect for AJ and our pattern of play. How often are Fulham in the market to sign this type of player. On the wages, it's not your money so who cares what we pay him?! (NT) -- MMS, Friday, July 03, 06:44:34pm (82.132.139.16)
- Before we all go too far with this, considering Roy's style of football how good is Crouch at defending? (NT) -- TmdF, Friday, July 03, 06:48:19pm (81.171.173.59)
- Why??? Freak = 48 apps & 20 goals, Zamora = 41 apps & 4 goals, AJ = 36 apps & 10 goals??? Rememebr for most the season Pompey were in shocking form. (NT) -- FFCFC, Friday, July 03, 06:48:27pm (90.217.129.199)
- We tend to play it on the ground....wouldn't really play to his strengths. If he "led the line" could we change the way we play to accommodate? We ain't got no wingers and our full backs don't overlap. (NT) -- WhiteHawk, Friday, July 03, 06:59:41pm (86.173.139.22)
  - There is no doubt that Crouch is a handy aerial player, and that's something we don't have at the moment. As you rightly point out, it would require a change in our system to get the best out of that aspect of his game. But it always seems to get overlooked that he can play on the deck as well, so would equally thrive in our current system. He's more versatile than he generally gets credit for IMO (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 07:06:58pm (193.62.153.38)
    - Exactly, lazy punditry by people who claim he is a donkey with the ball at his feet, if anything that is his strength! Whilst he is tall he lacks power in the air due to his lankiness. (NT) -- Trick, Friday, July 03, 07:55:20pm (86.11.117.33)
      - Sorry but you have missed the point there - it is not lazy punditry - he gets a high percentage of his goals either arially or from the flanks - we play through the middle - nothing to do with his hight - just his style of play. He is quality and would be, in terms of cost/quality, where we should be aiming at - whether he'd be happy in our system remains a risk to me. (NT) -- Andy Sayers Personal Trainer, Friday, July 03, 10:27:38pm (60.240.61.84)
- yeah you guys are right giving him double what any other player at the club is earning would do wonders in the dressing room. and we have to stop using zamora as the bench mark for any new striker, otherwise im in with a shout. (NT) -- BlaWharmy fan, Friday, July 03, 07:08:15pm (90.196.219.158)
- Sorry, but none of us know how much Crouch does or doesnt earn at Pompey and additionally nobody on here sees AJ's, Murphy's or Brede's pay packet!!! Does nobody in your company earn double or half of what you earn and it bothers you that much???!!!! (NT) -- MJS, Friday, July 03, 07:29:35pm (86.27.105.134)
RODDICK BREAKS!!. THE DREAM IS AT A END. USA USA USA -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 05:12:31pm (92.21.137.166)

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- As a proud Briton, does the fact that Roddick gets together with friends, family, shit beer and fireworks every 4th of July to celebrate defeating Britain in a war not offend your sensitive soul? Fair enough don't want Murray to win but any Briton indulging in USA! USA! nonsense surely needs shooting. It's just as sad as Scots wearing Argentina shirts. And that's official. (NT) -- Support your local athletes., Friday, July 03, 05:19:52pm (213.86.135.44)
  - Technically, 4th of July is to celebrate *starting* a war against Britain (even though it started earlier than that if you want to get really technical). (NT) -- richardhkirkando, Friday, July 03, 08:30:01pm (97.88.245.202)
- Most of these people spouting this USA bollocks will not understand, history to them is series 4 of Big Brother. (NT) -- Jim, Friday, July 03, 05:29:25pm (207.138.98.253)
- Our Independence Day is a celebration of the birth of a great nation and, obviously, us Yanks owe much to the Brits who spawned us. Hence, we love England and Great Britain and we treat visiting Brits wonderfully. (NT) -- Happy 4th of July, Friday, July 03, 05:33:37pm (206.53.147.222)
  - Yeah, I know all that, but if we're going to be hyper-sensitive about Murray and that Paraguay gag, then there's no other way to look at your 4th July celebrations other than your mob celebrating your military victory over Britain and the deaths of our brave boys in red. I'm similarly insulted by any other former colonies celebrating their independence. You're all just a bunch of Brit hating fuckers. (NT) -- Sensitive Briton, Friday, July 03, 05:47:06pm (213.86.135.44)
    - Furthermore, I shall be attending as many events as possible during the 2012 Olympics, and I shall be booing any athletes representing former colonies, former war time adversaries, countries who adopted a policy of neutrality and failed to support us in former conflicts, and countries where I sense a general reluctance to display a deep and passionate love of England. I will be booing Scots and Welsh athletes too. (NT) -- Sensitive Briton, Friday, July 03, 05:55:56pm (213.86.135.44)
- Sensitive muppet Briton - your poor misguided soul. Americans have consistently shown a love and appreciation for England, as do Canadians. Scots, Welsh and most other current and former subjects do not (NT) -- TtY, Friday, July 03, 06:14:50pm (206.53.147.222)
- After two world wars as our allies I think we can forgive them the declaration of independence and 4 july celebrations. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, July 03, 06:24:15pm (86.141.121.217)
- Bye bye Murray :) (NT) -- FFCFC, Friday, July 03, 06:44:07pm (90.217.129.199)
Best free PC protection -- bish, Friday, July 03, 04:42:06pm (82.4.199.108)
Can anyone suggest the best anti-virus software to get and what to get (for example, a firewall, virus scanner, etc.) to keep the pc safe enough from the various threats out there.

Thanks in advance.

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- AVG will see you right. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 04:42:46pm (92.40.78.220)
- http://personalfirewall.comodo.com/ (NT) -- Confused, Friday, July 03, 04:50:15pm (195.11.73.121)
- Actually, AVG gets a good detection mark (link inside) with 93% but is 6.7% short of avira (the one I'm using right now). Avira does have an annoying "buy the full version" pop up at times, but that can be disabled through the registry (search google). Also, don't use the avg/avira firewalls, they'll try to bundle them but they're both below average. -- PAt, Friday, July 03, 04:52:33pm (114.76.153.194)
- And not sure if that was a suggestion for Comodo above, but I would have to agree (as a firewall, don't use the anti virus). (NT) -- Pat, Friday, July 03, 04:53:34pm (114.76.153.194)
- Thanks all. How does avast antivirus compare to others? (NT) -- bish, Friday, July 03, 04:56:58pm (82.4.199.108)
- Very well, had it on my pc but it's annoying in that it requires registration to renew the free antivirus. Not too much of a hassle, that or Avira would do a good job on your system (with comodo as firewall and a few anti malware programs). (NT) -- Pat, Friday, July 03, 05:01:55pm (114.76.153.194)
- I found AVASt to be better than AVG (NT) -- Balti, Friday, July 03, 05:33:07pm (194.138.39.60)
- Thanks Pat, Balti and the rest. All your help is much appreciated (NT) -- bish, Friday, July 03, 06:00:40pm (82.4.199.108)
- Re: Best free PC protection -- Matt, Friday, July 03, 08:21:58pm (86.139.22.214)
- Have used Avast for several years and had no infections (other than of a personal kind) (NT) -- Mike H, Saturday, July 04, 02:11:23am (116.240.224.254)
Anyone else think...... -- B0B, Friday, July 03, 04:29:19pm (82.69.34.137)
that Andy Roddick looks like Stifler?

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- Good Call but you seen his mrs also, fair play stifmister lol (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 04:34:50pm (92.21.137.166)
- I don't know much about tennis, but he sure hits the ball hard doesn't he. Looks red hot to me. (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 04:42:20pm (92.40.78.220)
- And one of the ballboys looks about 35! (NT) -- South London White, Friday, July 03, 04:44:38pm (92.40.78.220)
Never forget that... -- TtY, Friday, July 03, 04:18:53pm (74.75.227.11)

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- Aye. Invade together. Bomb together. (NT) -- Severin, Friday, July 03, 04:20:13pm (82.153.211.180)
  - How come friendly fire is only ever one way? (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 04:21:58pm (87.194.3.157)
    - Because it's quite hard throwing shrapnel far enough to hit an F16? (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 04:23:56pm (81.178.45.61)
- I hope thats not a pop at our brave service men and women Severin ?? (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 04:23:10pm (92.21.137.166)
- Because criticism of a war is always a personal attack on every member of the armed forces... (NT) -- Bill "Pat" O'Reilly, Friday, July 03, 04:28:21pm (114.76.153.194)
- We're Amuhricans, by God, and we love all of Jesus's children! (NT) -- George W Bush, Friday, July 03, 04:33:57pm (206.53.147.222)
- IRAQ war was clearly a big mistake. Personally ,though ,I'm even more concerned about becoming a suburb of Islamabad. (NT) -- alanos, Friday, July 03, 06:30:30pm (86.141.121.217)
  - A mistake? You think? Perhaps the innocent people being raped and put through mincing machines might disagree with you. I'm not suggesting there were sincere motives for invading Iraq, it was always about the oil. However, it was an evil state ruled by a demon. All war is unfortunate, but freedom often comes at the expense of human sacrafice. (NT) -- .........................., Friday, July 03, 11:44:11pm (93.96.34.197)
- You philosophize so confidently, yet you're talking the absurd. Freedom does not come with a sacrifice, freedom comes through experiencing liberty in existence, ubiquitously. Also, an opinion on war is only considered an attack on serviceman by morons. No offence, but being staunchly against most of the world's administrations (UK & US), I still respect military personnel. I have some very close to me, without going further. Anyway, one thing I'm definitely doing tomorrow is wearing a Red Coat around Downtown Los Angeles; should be a crack (NT) -- Hyperborean, Saturday, July 04, 01:11:20am (75.84.194.49)
  - Do you honestly believe grandiloquence hides the completely nugatory content of your comments? No offence, but bullshit doesn’t always work mate :o) (NT) -- .................., Saturday, July 04, 06:11:14am (93.96.34.197)
YEAH!!! BABY WOOOOOO -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 04:14:19pm (92.21.137.166)

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- Is it half term? (NT) -- ZFK, Friday, July 03, 04:15:48pm (86.162.103.121)
- Nadgers (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 04:16:15pm (87.194.3.157)
- god damn it!! (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 04:19:03pm (92.21.137.166)
  - Hey Cottager, good second set so far, good rallies. (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 04:21:32pm (87.194.3.157)
- Murray breaks Roddick to love in 1st game of 2nd set -- HC, Friday, July 03, 04:20:39pm (80.194.194.72)
  - Murray 2-0 up in 2nd set & has dropped just one point so far in those games -- HC, Friday, July 03, 04:23:54pm (80.194.194.72)
  - WHy post these updates? Do you think people only have access to TIFF?! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 06:21:21pm (67.228.101.165)
- I know someone who trained with both the Murrays at junior level. Jamie is the friendlier of the two, but andy is, apparently, ok once you get to know him well. As for the English-hater thing.....this girl's english. (NT) -- Fulhamish, Friday, July 03, 04:32:21pm (78.151.154.85)
  - Every Fulham fan has got to support him because he's playing in white (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 04:35:33pm (81.178.45.61)
- Yeah its a good match craven thats for sure. Dont see many 2nd serves aces either. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 04:38:28pm (92.21.137.166)
sky sport text ha ha -- biffo, Friday, July 03, 04:11:07pm (213.106.75.103)
fulham's american full bck m. voltz has been released.

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- I'm sure Volzy will be honoured that they thought he was the same nationality as The Hoff (NT) -- The Doctor, Friday, July 03, 05:45:39pm (193.62.153.38)
- Just what happened to VOLZY. For a few years he seemed one of our best players.It's areal shame also because he is rightly one of the most loved footballers in England(along with Bullard). (NT) -- Alanos, Friday, July 03, 06:38:04pm (86.141.121.217)
- What, for good behaviour? (NT) -- JoeT, Saturday, July 04, 12:38:56am (82.11.13.166)
Squad from 2 years ago, SCARY! -- Peyton, Friday, July 03, 04:10:18pm (217.44.95.98)
2 Moritz Volz
3 Carlos Bocanegra
4 Franck Queudrue
5 Philippe Christanval
6 Zat Knight
7 Liam Rosenior
8 Michael Brown
9 Heidar Helguson
14 Papa Bouba Diop
15 Collins John
17 Simon Elliott
19 Ian Pearce
20 Brian McBride
21 Jimmy Bullard
22 Wayne Routledge
23 Clinton Dempsey
24 Mark Pembridge
25 Simon Davies
26 Matthew Collins
27 Ahmad Elrich
28 Robert Milsom
29 Antti Niemi
32 Elliot Omozusi
37 Alexey Smertin
- Aaron Hughes
- Diomansy Kamara
- Steven Davis
- Chris Baird
- Paul Konchesky
- David Healy

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- Certainly gives you pause. (NT) -- thin white duke, Friday, July 03, 04:21:29pm (62.140.196.147)
- that is scary .... didn't realise we had so much crap on board (NT) -- mcb, Friday, July 03, 08:40:22pm (90.205.49.248)
Another one for a life of misery........ -- Fulham Dave, Friday, July 03, 03:44:00pm (78.149.181.243)

My second grandchild - Cody - was born just a couple of hours ago. He will soon be sporting the new FFC home strip, along with his 2 year old brother Tom.

Can I ask if anyone has been in the club shop yet, as I don't want to waste a trip from MK to find out the kids strips are not in stock yet (reluctant to buy them on-line).

COYSW!!!

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- Congratulations Fulham Dave. (NT) -- malcbridger, Friday, July 03, 03:47:46pm (94.189.170.200)
- Congratulations but is it not too late to change the name? (NT) -- SW6, Friday, July 03, 03:54:01pm (83.218.157.194)
  - Not my choice mate. But trust me. this was the best of a very bad bunch. The other oddie is that today is MY birthday as well!!! -- FD, Friday, July 03, 04:08:38pm (78.149.181.243)
    - great birthday present. Congrats and hope mum and baby are both healthy. (NT) -- Mick, Friday, July 03, 04:14:01pm (194.106.220.83)
      - All ok so far. My daughter and missus are into all this alternate stuff and so it was a home birthing pool job, with no midwife. Me? I just stand about kacking myself! -- FD, Friday, July 03, 04:39:57pm (78.149.181.243)
- The Jack Kerouc and Fulham connection.Sorted, (NT) -- thin white duke, Friday, July 03, 03:58:25pm (62.140.196.147)
  - Nope, don't get the link I'm afraid...... -- FD, Friday, July 03, 04:35:07pm (78.149.181.243)
    - One of Kerouac's novels was called Visions of Cody. (NT) -- ., Saturday, July 04, 12:09:45am (79.74.23.116)
- I phoned the Club shop yesterday enquiring about the same thing and they said they wont be in stock until the 6th July. (NT) -- Surely, Friday, July 03, 04:18:12pm (217.37.92.137)
  - Thanks for that. Looks like phoning them before I decide to travel will be a good idea. -- FD, Friday, July 03, 04:37:23pm (78.149.181.243)
- I'm having visions (NT) -- Jack Kerouac, Friday, July 03, 05:22:05pm (213.86.244.72)
- Great to hear excellent news!!! better start saving for all those season tickets you'll be buying (NT) -- Noah, Friday, July 03, 09:36:31pm (81.132.107.201)
U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 03:30:34pm (92.21.137.166)

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- (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 03:33:50pm (81.178.45.61)
  - Try telling this to anyone north of the border (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 06:18:37pm (67.228.101.165)
- U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 03:36:56pm (92.21.137.166)
- You rang? (NT) -- American Mike, Friday, July 03, 04:10:22pm (195.224.75.194)
  - That's the worst Lurch impression I've ever heard. (NT) -- TmdF, Friday, July 03, 05:28:52pm (81.171.173.59)
Pawel Brozek -- Dad's Army, Friday, July 03, 01:46:58pm (78.149.139.19)
This player would seem to be the most interesting one brought up in recent links.
a) He is 26 years old (21.4.1983)
b) Has played in Europe, and scored goals at that level
c) Played in Polish Internationals from under 19 to Full International levels.
d) At 5'11" is reasonable height for a striker.
e) Last three Seasons statistics 06/07 : P 37 scored 15 ; 07/08 Played 35 scored 26 ; 08/09 P 36 scored 24. Including cup & European games, played by Wisla Krakow.

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- context, context, context. Did he play in an attacking team that favoured forward play over defence? Are there lots of goals in that league? Did other people score a lot of goals? You need to figure all this if you're to avoid Alfonso Alves! (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 01:49:06pm (83.244.183.135)
  - I've just looked it up. Fair play to the bloke (and yourself, DA), he was top scorer for the last two years, the team scored 53 in 30 while letting in 21, so looks quite balanced (if anything a bit defensive), and he got a very high proportion of them. Hmmmmm. (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 01:53:48pm (83.244.183.135)
  - So wait a minute Another rich - you telling me that Middlesborough and other clubs which bought strikers who didn't work out, didn't look at these details, and had they done so, it would have jeopordised the move? (NT) -- White, Friday, July 03, 01:55:53pm (213.86.119.210)
    - We all know that players get bought and sold on the evidence of not much, a carefully put together video compilation, etc. Was it not the case that Alves scored bucketloads of goals, but a huge proportion of them were against the village sides that Dutch teams play against in the early cup rounds? I just think that there's more to player evaluation than raw goals. Andy Johnson got six in the league last year, but that doesn't really make him a failure as a forward because of our style of play and his role in the team. If we'd gone out attacking every week and scored 60 and conceded 60 (instead of whatever we did - about half that) Johnson would've ended the season with 20 goals and probably been back in the England team, but he still would be the same player we have now. I just don't think enough consideration is made to these things. Lots of players score goals all over Europe, but we don't know how strong the league is, the team is, the style of play, etc, etc. (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 02:10:07pm (83.244.183.135)
      - I do find some of your reasoning really bizarre.....so he'd be the same player whether he scored 6 or 26? What a strange assertion.....for one, he'd be (as you say) back in the England team and his value (both in financial terms and to the team) would have rocketed. e've wasted AJ this season by partnering him with a donkey and not giving him the supply he merits. (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, July 03, 02:18:56pm (20.138.246.89)
        
        of course he would. What's bizarre about that? If we played an out and out attacking game he'd score a lot of goals. We didn't so he didn't, he hasn't done anything different has he? (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 02:22:09pm (83.244.183.135)
        
        It is evident that he would play differently in a different set up. With an attacking approach and good service he'd be making his runsand playing on the shoulders of defenders - in our current set up because the build up is so "measured" the speed and effort he is noted for is negated. How many tmes did you see him make runs last season only to have to check back because the ball didn't arrive? His confidence went and the shoulders were down towards the end of the season. (NT) -- Cheggers, Friday, July 03, 02:27:51pm (20.138.246.89)
        
        He would still be the same player though with the same skill level, which is what Another Rich was trying to get at. (NT) -- Moonbeam, Friday, July 03, 02:31:09pm (86.146.162.110)
        You're making the same point I am though. He's still Andy Johnson but the context hides this. Think of cricket when you get a team on 550-4. Are they all great batsmen and the bowlers all rubbish? No, it's a batting pitch. Stick them on a green top against the same team and they might get knocked over for 100. Same teams, different context. It's the same with systems, and ours makes defenders look good and attackers look bad (please don't mention the Z word). If someone wanted to find value they'd look for forwards in a team like ours whose 'obvious' value is suppressed by the system they're in. (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 02:33:00pm (83.244.183.135)
        
        Completely agree with you AR - and that is what I was saying about Crouch below. (NT) -- Andy Sayers Personal Trainer, Friday, July 03, 02:43:25pm (60.240.61.84)
      - Interesting point that if we were set up differently as a team, Johnson would have scored loads and got back in the England team - you're probably right. I wonder how much of a bearing things like that could have on a player's likelihood of signing - e.g. I wonder if Crouch might look at the stats, realise he'd get less scoring chances at Fulham and fancy it more elsewhere... (NT) -- Fordo, Friday, July 03, 02:20:53pm (213.86.244.72)
- All I will say is - type his name into Youtube, watch I think the first clip of him that comes up(its a long compilation of clips) and just see how DREADFUL the goal keeping is- honestly....shoooocking! (NT) -- jayffc, Friday, July 03, 02:13:42pm (90.195.102.89)
- He is the dogs bollocks in Football Manger 09. (NT) -- Mike, Friday, July 03, 02:15:54pm (89.101.95.229)
  - Your joking hes rubbish! (NT) -- blueball, Friday, July 03, 05:03:33pm (92.3.51.132)
Cricket Fans -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 01:06:53pm (92.10.65.36)
Watched abit of the England Lions match against the aussies and i have to say Steve Harmison is bowling like he did in 2005 88mph plus and taking Wickets.

Think he will make the first test ??

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- not the 1st test no but i do think hes making a name for himself again hes been bowling fast and accurate and taking wickets summit he hasn't been doing for a long while (NT) -- RAC, Friday, July 03, 01:15:52pm (82.21.195.235)
- Harmy seemed to have Phil Hughes rattled before he took his wicket in the first innings. I say play him in place of Sidebottom. (NT) -- Alan, Friday, July 03, 01:45:36pm (82.12.14.24)
- He is a shoo-in to be in the 13 and I reckon one spinner and either him or Sidebottom (NT) -- steviebox, Friday, July 03, 02:02:08pm (81.156.17.180)
- He has flattered to deceive too many times for me, and doesnt seem to have a great deal of fight or appetite for the game - especially away from home. That said, on his day he is far better than Sidebottom or Broad and I think the Aussies (young Hughes in particular, Ponting also) would probably rather he wasnt in the team. Therefore he warrants serious consideration. Its strange really, he doesnt really deserve many more chances, but I still find myself thinking maybe he should be picked because of what he might do... and admittedly he's looked good in this match. (NT) -- Fordo, Friday, July 03, 02:24:09pm (213.86.244.72)
- If he's bowling 88mph + then he has to be in the squad as no-one else in the squad can do that. It all depends on the pitch. I reckon Harmison is one of those guys who gets despondant pretty quickly if the pitch isn't going his way. He might have his tail up after today as well, and I reckon Ponting and co will not be enjoying the work-over ... (NT) -- Jason C, Friday, July 03, 02:35:32pm (62.189.196.135)
- I hope he does, in my opinion hes better than jimmy anderson! Cant wait for the ashes, 5 days! (NT) -- blueball, Friday, July 03, 05:08:16pm (92.3.51.132)
Can I just wish good luck to Roddick today from all true Englishmen -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 12:15:07pm (85.158.139.99)

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- Loud And Proud. U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:19:31pm (92.10.65.36)
- You're their elected representative then are you? Supporting an American as an indicator of "true Englishness"? Hilarious. (NT) -- Severin, Friday, July 03, 12:23:05pm (82.153.211.180)
  - On the eve of Independence Day in the USA - magic, you couldn't make it up! (NT) -- NJ Glen, Friday, July 03, 01:22:22pm (67.81.73.121)
- I'm praying that we can put this Murray Mania nonsense to bed, today. It must be insufferable for you lot. (NT) -- Tom the Yank, Friday, July 03, 12:23:13pm (206.53.144.100)
- I'd like Murray to win but I have just backed Roddick at 3-1. Great value for a semi final. (NT) -- Redhill White, Friday, July 03, 12:23:54pm (209.130.141.130)
- Good luck Roddick. (NT) -- malcbridger, Friday, July 03, 12:24:57pm (94.189.170.200)
- As a true englishman can I say your tremendously arrogant post doesn't speak for me. Maybe you mean from all immature Englishmen? Or all english WUMs? (NT) -- Dougie, Friday, July 03, 12:26:07pm (195.188.171.4)
  - Cos the Scots always cheer the English (well the benefits money anyway) (NT) -- Dont they?!, Friday, July 03, 12:28:41pm (67.228.101.165)
    - Ah, the brave little anonmous poster. My favourite kind. (NT) -- ZFK, Friday, July 03, 12:31:05pm (86.162.103.121)
      - And I suppose you're known away from TIFF as ZFK??? Do you want my address and phone number as well? Whats the point.? (NT) -- Dave for what it's worth!, Friday, July 03, 12:33:30pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        My name is ZFK actually. Had it changed my Deed Poll. Cheers. (NT) -- ZFK, Friday, July 03, 12:36:14pm (86.162.103.121)
        
        Of course you did! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:45:25pm (67.228.101.165)
    - Ooh look a hypocrite! (NT) -- Dougie, Friday, July 03, 12:33:13pm (195.188.171.4)
  - Anyone who still claims to hate him, if it's on the basis of the whole "paraguay shirt" nonsense, is either a WUM or commendably belligerent in their desire to keep wearing their ignorance as a badge despite all evidence to the contrary. I suspect in most cases on here though, it's the former (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 12:30:34pm (149.254.51.107)
    - Ignore the Paraguay thing... Whats wrong with preferring an American/Swiss to a Scotsman. If you think any Scotsperson would want England/Englishman to win against anyone, you are in fact the ignorant one! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:35:18pm (67.228.101.165)
      - And how are you not a 'WUM' for always being anti English/England. Will it be Australia for the cricket (cos it was for the world cup)? As for the West Ham thing, you cant know if youre coming or going?! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:37:23pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        I'm half Australian, my whole family pretty much is Australian. Hence it was fun to go and see the team make a decent showing at a World Cup for the first time in my lifetime, but I'd always support the English at cricket against Australia in the Ashes because, well frankly it's fun having banter with the Australians in my family about it. Dual nationality is an odd thing really, you don't get completely firmly attached to one nation, and most of it comes down to fun sporting banter (a bit like Murray's quip back to that journo in that interview) (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 12:41:58pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        as for "always being anti English/England", er... I live here because I love the place (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 12:43:41pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        Especially Upton Park.... (NT) -- McCheggers, Friday, July 03, 12:58:52pm (20.138.246.89)
      - Must tell my Scottish missus that next time she goes gallavanting around supporting the English cricket team (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 12:38:40pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        Re: Must tell my Scottish missus that next time she goes gallavanting around supporting the English cricket team (NT) -- An exception to the rule (if true), Friday, July 03, 12:46:50pm (67.228.101.165)
        So she isn't allowed apparently,there can be no mutal support rebuild hadrians wall man the ramparts claim England back in the name of all Anglo Saxons...oh hold on. They were German. Ooooops (NT) -- DET, Friday, July 03, 12:50:17pm (195.50.100.20)
        
        Well I'm not saying that's not a good idea.... might get me out of some of the many family do's a huge Scottish catholic family seems to conjure up on big matchdays (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 12:54:04pm (149.254.51.107)
      - To re-itterate my point in the thread below, so we aren't allowed to want Murray to win purely because the majority of Scots wouldn't want England/an Englishman to win? (NT) -- Moonbeam, Friday, July 03, 12:41:21pm (86.146.162.110)
  - You have an anger problem and a scottish handle to boot: get help matey (NT) -- foolwatch, Saturday, July 04, 12:44:24am (86.176.40.118)
- If it means that person beats murray then its fine by me. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:26:46pm (92.10.65.36)
- ZZZZ I ASUMME YOU ALL SUPPORT SCOTLAND THEN.... NOT (NT) -- HE, Friday, July 03, 12:32:41pm (217.42.173.154)
- Come on Murray. (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 12:33:36pm (87.194.3.157)
  - Hang on Dave, I thought you were part taffy? (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 12:34:57pm (87.194.3.157)
    - Do you reckon the anti-Murray lot on here would support a yank boxer against Calzaghe? (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 12:35:48pm (149.254.51.107)
      - The Welshman? (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:38:07pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        Well quite, you don't think the average Welshman wants England to do well in the World Cup, do you? (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 12:39:18pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        No... Exactly the same as with Murray and tennis, I wouldnt want a Welsh boxer to do well either. Your point? (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:44:49pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        Fair enough in your case then, but it's always seemed to me that a lot of the same people who were (rightly) cheering for Calzaghe are also fierce critics of Murray. Nigel Mansell's another example... he certainly considered himself Manx rather than English. Personally I like it when a Brit of whatever nation rises to the top in a sport that is often dominated by other nations. It's great living in our strange kingdom with its mixture of countries, able to share banter between each other but to pull together to support each others' world beaters in the sports we don't have internal rivalries in. (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 12:47:45pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        They dont 'pull together' though. Maybe more English than not support the other home nations. It is not the case in Wales and Scotland though (and Ireland if that counts). The underdog is another arguement (more reason to support Roddick today though) (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 12:53:10pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        Think it's an agree to differ thing then, because it's not my experience. As I say, my own view is that most people from all the home nations will support their own nation against the others in sports where there's a genuine rivalry, like football, but will support Britain and British competitors in sports like tennis where there's no actual rivalry internally. There's probably always going to be differences between the way the (overwhelming) majority nation in the union supports sport compared to the smaller nations... the latter will always have more of that underdog feeling you refer to I'm sure, but tennis isn't England vs Scotland to most people I reckon; it's Britain vs rest-of-the-world (NT) -- orm, Friday, July 03, 12:58:08pm (149.254.51.107)
        
        Let's take a look at Scotland next world cup (or the recent reception that fat junkie Maradonna got in Scotland)?! (NT) -- Dave, Friday, July 03, 01:10:04pm (67.228.101.165)
        
        I'm not disagreeing with you that there's a strong football rivalry. I'm just saying that's an England vs Scotland thing in a sport in which we have a strong rivalry, and it's something that most people set aside when we're supporting someone competing on behalf of Britain against the rest of the world. (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 01:16:37pm (149.254.219.32)
        
        Yes Jon but do not forget it was Andrew Murray that introduced the anti English element into his tennis career by his announcement on the BBC (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 01:19:50pm (85.158.139.99)
        
        People can take one quip at a journalist however they want, of course, but as you know to me the huge negative reaction looks like a massive sense of humour failure and nothing more. A scot joking about the England football team seems to me completely expected and acceptable... we have a strong rivalry! Far more so than Brits supporting Americans against other Brits in a support in which our competitors represent the whole union (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 01:24:57pm (149.254.219.32)
        Imagine if Wimbledon was in Scotland and Henman had said he was "supporting anyone but Scotland" whilst being interviewed by Kenny Dalglish on BBC Scotland the outcry up there and it would be fair enough. Would you go up there defending him and telling them they were all ignorant etc you wouldn't be very popular I can tell you. Yet somehow the English must accept it we must not show any pride and stick up for ourselves. (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 01:26:18pm (85.158.139.99)
        
        Hi Dave L, can you just confirm something for me, seem to have it in my head that you're part welsh for some reason, from posts a while back? (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 01:29:28pm (87.194.3.157)
        
        Wasn't that the other Dave L ? (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 01:31:19pm (85.158.139.99)
        
        I'll take that a a yes then. (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 01:32:37pm (87.194.3.157)
        
        Re: I'll take that a a yes then. -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 01:38:30pm (85.158.139.99)
        
        Dave that's fine mate, but to me (to me) it means you're part Welsh. (NT) -- Craven, Friday, July 03, 01:41:57pm (87.194.3.157)
        
        If it was at the end of a jokey conversation about how England weren't in the world cup and Scotland were (ha ha, this is VERY hypothetical, isn't it! :) then I'd fully expect a similar jokey comment to be made, and lost of people would see the funny side, and lots of other people would get shirty about it, and I'd think they'd missed the point too. We all took the piss when they lost to the likes of Costa Rica... was there "outcry"? I don't really remember any (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 01:31:49pm (149.254.219.32)
        
        My question was specific and you have cleverly/sneakily made it general to change the context and answer a different question (NT) -- Dave L, Friday, July 03, 01:34:09pm (85.158.139.99)
        
        No, I've put it in exactly the same context that Andy Murray said his comment in. It's only fair to do so. (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 01:36:10pm (149.254.219.32)
- I doubt the poster actually realises how stupid the title of the post makes him look! (NT) -- Jim, Friday, July 03, 12:35:25pm (207.138.98.253)
  - I am sure you are right Jim. Straight over his head I would imagine (NT) -- Belfast White, Friday, July 03, 12:39:41pm (167.127.24.69)
- bloody hell it's a game of tennis and I hope Murray wins. Mad how seriously people seem to take this. Are there not better things to get huffy about? (NT) -- another rich, Friday, July 03, 01:02:06pm (83.244.183.135)
- GRAHAM LEGGAT (SCOT) one of Fulhams finest. I've always loved tennis, since Rod Laver! I'm already nervous about the Murray v Federer final. (NT) -- CB, Friday, July 03, 01:13:42pm (86.144.233.250)
- I think football is unique in the way that it creates this fanatical tribalism, and in my experience it is only in a section of avid football fans that this "hate" culture exists between the home nations. Come on Murray, win it for us Brits! (NT) -- Senior Supporter, Friday, July 03, 01:17:16pm (86.139.142.37)
  - Spot on - I go to Scotland for Rugby and nay bother at all - supping beers together and all very friendly and good natured (NT) -- Belfast White, Friday, July 03, 01:47:22pm (167.127.24.69)
- Never heard any FFC boo John Collins when he was playing for us. (NT) -- Gloucester Fulham, Friday, July 03, 01:50:52pm (81.174.137.66)
  - Same cant be said for Collins John (NT) -- Matt, Friday, July 03, 04:08:51pm (194.203.215.254)
- Got to say I find these Murray posts bizarre. I'm English to the core and support England at all Sports that we play as England ( football, rugby ,cricket etc). but at things where we are Great Britain then I support GB people. I know the Scots don't like us and frankly I'm no great fan of them when we are playing them, but Tennis is not a team sport ( Davis Cup - I know) and he is British. I also want Scotsman Chris Hoy, Welsh woman Nicole Cooke and Manxman Mark Cavandish to win in cycling. (NT) -- GTS, Friday, July 03, 01:55:58pm (81.145.131.202)
- I only read halfway through this thread before getting thoroughly confused. Is there a Welshman playing at Wimbledon today? What have I missed? -- suecsw6, Friday, July 03, 02:10:32pm (20.138.246.89)
My view on today's tennis -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 11:48:08am (92.10.65.36)
U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A

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- Och Aye.....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO............... (NT) -- McCheggers, Friday, July 03, 11:49:30am (20.138.246.89)
  - COTTAGER FOR LIFE - do you support a Scottish football club? (NT) -- Just wondering, Friday, July 03, 11:55:37am (213.86.135.44)
- You mean Rangers And they class themselfs as British First (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 11:59:32am (92.10.65.36)
  - So do you think Rangers fans in general want England to win their football matches or get absolutely dicked? The Rangers fans that I know can’t stand England when it comes to the football and an English mate of mine who lives in Glasgow’s West End stays indoors when England are playing as he’s had so much abuse over the years watching England games in pubs. There’s always a mutual wankathon when you put Rangers fans in a room with England’s arse licking No surrender mob, but I think you’re kidding yourself on if you think most Rangers fans aren’t chuffed to bits when England get dumped out of the World Cup or Euros. (NT) -- Or do Rangers fans all pack the pubs to cheer England on?, Friday, July 03, 12:15:45pm (213.86.135.44)
- BORING! (NT) -- ZFK, Friday, July 03, 12:01:53pm (86.162.103.121)
- Hope so, i backed Roddick at 20/1 (NT) -- Godfrey, Friday, July 03, 12:04:07pm (194.60.38.198)
  - So did I at the start of the tournament. Only Ł2.50 e/w though (NT) -- Stix, Friday, July 03, 12:19:17pm (62.3.234.183)
- Question in .2006 So andy who will u be supporting in the world cup (a) Whoever England are playing. Short memorys Some people (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:07:20pm (92.10.65.36)
  - Some people have no sense of humour -- Si (British & proud), Friday, July 03, 12:09:41pm (80.42.29.157)
  - Sorry I don't get how someone who supports Rangers can start banging on about how nasty Murray made a joke 3 years ago. Fact is he's got a very good chance of making the final and he's scottish (where the old firm play last time I looked) good luck to him I say. Rangers and Celtic fans bring shame to Scotland,Murray is a credit (if a little hard to like) (NT) -- DET, Friday, July 03, 12:19:21pm (195.50.100.20)
  - AS statement shown to be false so many times now its becoming tedious (NT) -- Belfast White, Friday, July 03, 12:25:12pm (167.127.24.69)
  - Get over it you fart. (NT) -- HE, Friday, July 03, 12:31:35pm (217.42.173.154)
- But he was not joking Si, only after he saw what a shit storm he had started did he come out and say he was joking. Also Im English not british. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:17:48pm (92.10.65.36)
  - Your passport says otherwise (NT) -- Belfast White, Friday, July 03, 12:26:21pm (167.127.24.69)
- Rangers bring Shame ?? union jacks St George Flags singing God save the queen at games thats shame. Also Your Find Rangers fans support England in the world cup when Scotland aint there. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:22:42pm (92.10.65.36)
- So let me get this straight..... We (English) aren't allowed to want Murray to win because the majority of Scots don't like England. (NT) -- Moonbeam, Friday, July 03, 12:27:42pm (86.146.162.110)
- Moonbeam not at all, But the Country is split on him, Some will support him others like myself wont. Its not a case of not being allowed. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:30:24pm (92.10.65.36)
- I can't believe that this is even a debate. Simple formula - England is hated by most Scots and loved by most Americans. End of (NT) -- Tom the Yank, Friday, July 03, 12:36:21pm (74.75.227.11)
- I think its debate you can support someone from america over a brit ! each to their own I just find this anti murray thing sad and pathetic. I am British I am supporting the scottish brit today! (NT) -- lod, Friday, July 03, 12:43:08pm (87.86.9.162)
  - Why not? The English are always more welcome in the US than in Scotland (despite paying their benefits) (NT) -- Davew, Friday, July 03, 01:07:32pm (67.228.101.165)
    - You've got your finances the wrong way round - Oil means they have been subsidies the English for years (NT) -- Belfast White, Friday, July 03, 01:48:40pm (167.127.24.69)
      - Dont think so.. Do the math (NT) -- DAve, Friday, July 03, 06:25:37pm (67.228.101.165)
- Del over 800,000 Rangers fans in Manchester that day, and 200 muppets went on a rampage. Good and bad at all clubs. (NT) -- COTTAGER 4 LIFE, Friday, July 03, 12:44:13pm (92.10.65.36)
  - 800,000...........they are obviously named after the giants from Shepherds Bush! (NT) -- Harry68, Friday, July 03, 12:58:40pm (82.44.93.60)
Great footage of Fulham v Bristol Rovers from 69-70 -- Mike H, Friday, July 03, 01:58:32am (116.240.237.116)
Found this on CravenCottage.us

Its highlights from the first half. Includes exciting glimpses of Les Barret in full flight and JH the Maestro actually missing a couple of chances. I think this was the match where John Richardson scored the best goal I've ever seen live, but it was in the 2nd half. Well worth a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lB4XZbkxYI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcravencottageus%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

CravenCottage.us is at:

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- Great memories Mike! I'm with you re the Richardson goal, the best ever! (I’m pretty sure he spent some time over here coaching) (NT) -- Paul, Friday, July 03, 03:00:03am (203.94.155.226)
  - Yes, I was standing on the Thames bank. My normal position, in line with the penalty spot. My recollection is that the ball was crossed from the far side and he threw himself full length and it rocketed into the net. Mind you, my memory is getting worse and worse. (NT) -- Mike H, Friday, July 03, 03:41:37am (116.240.237.116)
    - It must be right 'cos that's how I remember it as well!!! (Viewed from the touchline on the TB, but just a bit further upfield) (NT) -- Paul, Friday, July 03, 04:42:43am (203.94.155.226)
- Got a glimpse of myself behined the dug out (NT) -- Cottager, Friday, July 03, 04:11:44am (173.78.7.57)
  - Bloody Hell. I'd love to be able to see my 16 year old self on the terraces (NT) -- Mike H, Friday, July 03, 05:42:22am (116.240.238.200)
- Mike H, you must have been standing next to me. I've never forgotten that goal, I don't think I've seen anything quite like it since. I was 13 and had only been going about a year and it's one of my clearest early memories. (NT) -- C, Friday, July 03, 06:59:57am (86.156.210.76)
  - Well there were only 6000 there so we must have been pretty close. I was skinny, spotty, 16 years old with glasses. Ring a bell? And I haven't changed much. (NT) -- Mike H, Friday, July 03, 07:32:27am (116.240.224.254)
- Is anyone going to own up to being the hippy in the enclosure behind the corner flag at about 3 minutes 30? (NT) -- ormondroyd, Friday, July 03, 08:13:58am (81.178.45.61)
- You'll find details and pictures of the match including that great Richardson goal in Tales of the Riverbank Book 3 (Plumb / Coton) (NT) -- Kevin C, Friday, July 03, 09:35:57am (86.131.28.210)
- ...thank you so much for that link, to see my favourite player Les Barrett and Craven Cottage with the old Riverbank and cranes behind the Hammersmith End, and the old brick dug-outs brought back some wonderful memories for an older fan. I remember John Richardson's goal, throwing himself full length like an excocet scoring the best diving header I have ever seen... (NT) -- LBNo11, Friday, July 03, 10:35:59am (80.46.46.74)
- That looks like a rather big crowd for 6,000 anyone else reckon? (NT) -- Spud, Friday, July 03, 10:39:45am (92.0.209.137)
- The old brick dugout & Directors box were class...Bloody hell 14 yr Old (NT) -- Roycboyc, Friday, July 03, 11:20:07am (213.48.46.141)
- Good stuff. I was 17 and in the Juniors/Reserves, just about to get kicked out to Hounslow Town by that idiot Bill Dodgin! Happy Days. (NT) -- GA in NJ, Friday, July 03, 03:38:20pm (72.88.211.168)
- That is scary, I used to go to Hounslow Town all the time when I wasn't at Fulham, we probably knew the same people, from different sides of the fence that is. (NT) -- C, Friday, July 03, 10:21:27pm (86.158.235.154)

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