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Yesterday I caught my 18 year old son shaving his chest. Today I decided to snoop around his room to find out if he was gay and I found a bottle of fake tan. What does this mean? -- Mick, Thursday, May 24, 04:45:27pm (5ade3647.bb.sky.com/90.222.54.71)
Genuine concern for my son now. He has brought home girls before and every time I give him some banter he says they are just friends. I know gay men have a lot of female friends. I've never found any uses condoms or packets in his room either. Am I really so out of touch with that generation or could he be gay?

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- I think you should come out. However, I think perving on your son is wrong. (NT) -- Polecat, Thursday, May 24, 04:50:54pm (cable-87-78-104-51.netcologne.de/87.78.104.51)
- DONT YOU MEAN QUEER...........I SUGGEST YOU GET A LIFE (NT) -- Queer spotter, Thursday, May 24, 04:51:41pm (host-92-26-15-49.as13285.net/92.26.15.49)
- Put him in a cage and poke him with a stick (NT) -- bods son, Thursday, May 24, 05:15:16pm (cpc2-gill1-0-0-cust980.basl.cable.virginmedia.com/82.34.59.213)
Kalou -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 04:27:19pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
I think this young man could do a very good job for us, he is still only 26 and has been underplayed. Wether we could afford to compete in terms of salary that's another question. Unless he was prepared to take a salary drop but continue living in London.

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- He hasn't impressed me, I'm afraid - a nearly man, in my book. Don't believe he'd add much to the table. (NT) -- Old Snitchy, Thursday, May 24, 04:36:37pm (cpc3-lea21-0-0-cust161.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.228.162)
  - I think he has something to prove. When Mourinho signed him he was a very good player. I have watched him sporadicly for Chelsea like all of us. He has an ability to beat a man and good pace, could certainly do a job wide for us. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 04:39:19pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
- Known as Kalouless to many Chelsea supporters. Really dont think he would be a good signing for us. (NT) -- Matt, Thursday, May 24, 04:39:23pm (pat.emea.verizonbusiness.com/194.203.215.254)
- Certainly give us a bit of pace & not a bad strike rate if regarded as a wide player rather than an out-and-out striker. But suspect wage demands would place him out of our reach. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Thursday, May 24, 04:40:14pm (host31-54-141-202.range31-54.btcentralplus.com/31.54.141.202)
- Apart from a RB (rumours circulating) - do believe we should be prioritising a 2nd striker to play alongside 'The Pog.' Have resigned AJ to the out-tray - that's where we should be concentrating. Yes, of course, we will strengthen elsewhere & one or two of our star midfielders may be on their way - but we need that bite - someone who can create space in the oppo's box & score himself.. (NT) -- Old Snitchy, Thursday, May 24, 04:48:34pm (cpc3-lea21-0-0-cust161.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.228.162)
  - t depends how Jol wants to set us up. There are definite signs that 4-2-3-1 is his favoured formation, which doesn't suit the Pog (and won't Kalou either if played as the 1....) (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 04:52:40pm (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
- I think he's an awful player - really don't see it in him. Has pace, but rarely runs at opponents with any conviction, cant cross a road, let alone a football and loses possession an awful lot. (NT) -- Half an Exile, Thursday, May 24, 05:06:30pm (NoHost/194.42.230.50)
Goal line technology -- Old Snitchy, Thursday, May 24, 04:22:47pm (cpc3-lea21-0-0-cust161.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.228.162)
Must say I had to chortle at SSN Breaking News - goal line technology being tried out at the England/Belgium match.
Jeez - it's there anyway - instant replays for the 4th Official to adjudge ... infact it's been there for years.
The administrators of Football worldwide really need to be brought to task re their ineptness to rectify what is a really simple procedure.
England's 'goal' at last year's World Cup I believe, highlighted their naivety/amateurism and how unprofessionaly they go about their business. FIFA need to be far, far more transparent - Blatter's highly questionable dictatorship needs challenging.

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- Hilarious! Ineptness, love it!! (NT) -- SHOG, Thursday, May 24, 04:43:06pm (host81-155-131-174.range81-155.btcentralplus.com/81.155.131.174)
- The extra lines people in the Europa league what was ther job? (NT) -- Canon, Thursday, May 24, 04:44:52pm (NoHost/193.189.80.39)
  - They stood there trying to look pretty. Remember the Roma home game and how they completely screwed up the sending off with an official 2 metres away. (NT) -- a, Thursday, May 24, 05:23:59pm (cpc1-cwma8-2-0-cust100.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.20.152.101)
- what you on about. it has not been there for years and as proved of late even with all skys cameras there is still the odd occassion where even there cameras are inconclusive. (NT) -- happy g, Thursday, May 24, 04:45:07pm (cpc6-acto4-2-0-cust257.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com/86.13.121.2)
- Will slow the game down and confuse referees. For example, if the ball bounces back out into play, is hoofed downfield, where do you stop play to go to the video judge. Nope, I'm happy to accept that referees are fallible and will make occasional mistakes if it means we avoid a stop/start game developing. (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 04:56:45pm (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
  - its sinple the game continues, these techonogies will have a clear answer within seconds.if the other team boot it down the other end then and score then tough its not as if they would know 3 hours later its very quick. The very rare event it could happen that the other team were to score should not outwiegh the occurarace which happens more often that it is unclear if it was a goal or not. (NT) -- me, Thursday, May 24, 05:15:04pm (smtp.lifesearch.co.uk/217.196.235.225)
Goal-line technology -- TC, Thursday, May 24, 04:22:37pm (NoHost/194.176.221.149)
Going to trialled at the England vs Belgium game next month. If not the most obtuse of comments: HOW can they know they will put it through its paces?

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Emile Heskey -- martin, Thursday, May 24, 03:22:00pm (5ad3c364.bb.sky.com/90.211.195.100)
Released by The Villa yesterday think he would do ok for us and would probably get at least 10 goals next season if played up front with the POG, anyone think the same?

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- Fuc* Off. (NT) -- ., Thursday, May 24, 03:24:16pm (NoHost/82.132.211.24)
  - +500 (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 03:28:10pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- Hahaha good one (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Thursday, May 24, 03:45:25pm (5ad25345.bb.sky.com/90.210.83.69)
- I watch heskey when Villa played at the Emerites a few weeks ago when he came on as sub. Outside the penalty area he won every ball put up to him against both Arsenal CB's. In side teh penalty area however he was like a jelly baby, useless. Its a no from me. (NT) -- Mick, Thursday, May 24, 03:47:14pm (NoHost/195.59.115.60)
- 10 goals in a season from Emile? maybe if the season had 200 matches... (NT) -- ignaciius, Thursday, May 24, 03:48:48pm (NoHost/82.132.236.147)
- Jason Koumas (NT) -- Canon, Thursday, May 24, 03:50:37pm (NoHost/193.189.80.39)
- I think Heskey was a really good players as recently as 08-09 but now he is well past his best. Regardless the Zamora sale has shown the Jol system doesnt require a ball winner doing donkey work upfront (NT) -- HE, Thursday, May 24, 03:54:51pm (rich-students2-168.d.port.ac.uk/148.197.102.168)
- A bit past it and not what we need. He has however had a decent career despite what some may think. Not supposed to be a Fowler or Owen. Often thought England looked better with him in the team. Bit like AJ in that he is probably better appreciated by teamates than some fans. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 24, 04:00:11pm (5acf75a4.bb.sky.com/90.207.117.164)
- I'd agree, not for us at his age - but for years he's been billed as a centre-forward - when clearly he's never a target man. (NT) -- Gettacco Raven, Thursday, May 24, 04:26:32pm (cpc3-lea21-0-0-cust161.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.228.162)
  - A target man and centre forward are the same thing and Heskey is one (NT) -- HE, Thursday, May 24, 04:30:07pm (rich-students2-168.d.port.ac.uk/148.197.102.168)
- Great News! Just what we want as we start our first season back in the top flight for 33 years (NT) -- COYW 2001, Thursday, May 24, 05:19:05pm (cpc3-nmal18-2-0-cust575.croy.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.6.64)
Away Kit -- TheGame, Thursday, May 24, 01:41:05pm (host86-173-56-60.range86-173.btcentralplus.com/86.173.56.60)
Anyone know where I can get hold of this season's black one still? The club website/shop have run out of mediums and I tarnsihed my original one with Zamora's name on the back (knew I should have gone Dempsey!).

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- Don't speak too soon. Clint might also be persona non grata before long. (NT) -- Mike H, Thursday, May 24, 01:47:19pm (NoHost/115.187.234.185)
- Re: If Clint does leave he will still not be persona non grata to me.He has been a brilliant servant to us and I can only wish him all the best if he decides to leave. (NT) -- Depressed, Thursday, May 24, 03:28:18pm (host-78-146-52-58.as13285.net/78.146.52.58)
- Have you tried Soccer Scene in Carnaby St? I'd give them a call. (NT) -- Bananaman, Thursday, May 24, 03:35:29pm (host109-156-16-119.range109-156.btcentralplus.com/109.156.16.119)
- http://www.soccerscene.co.uk/Products/Default.aspx?DescriptionFilter=fulham -- ., Thursday, May 24, 03:40:51pm (cpc2-epso4-2-0-cust86.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/80.6.136.87)
Polecat exposed -- Jaded - exposing bandits for the sake of our childrens future, Thursday, May 24, 01:40:40pm (NoHost/2.25.214.115)
real name : Stephen Middlebrook
looks like Santa Claus with spectacles
last seen in a grey suit

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- Close but no cigar (NT) -- Polecat - not on the public record, Thursday, May 24, 01:45:49pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
  - ... though relatively impressed by your research and slightly unnerved by your stalker like zeal. Please don't have a fatal attraction! (NT) -- polecat, Thursday, May 24, 01:47:35pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
    - And he's Jaded, good job he's not bang up for it! (NT) -- Angus, Thursday, May 24, 01:57:21pm (cpc2-epso4-2-0-cust162.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/80.6.136.163)
Without that Europa run -- another rich, Thursday, May 24, 01:37:42pm (NoHost/157.203.242.98)
Pointless post, Aunties, uncles and balls, of course, but it really did change a lot didn't it?

Zamora's 8 goals don't look all that (as noted below by GBLB)
Does Gera break through? AJ wouldn't have got injured so hard to know if he'd ever have had the chance. Would've still been messing around on the left, doing okay but not all that much.
What would AJ have done in a whole season? Not much perhaps, but he has had some good runs.
Would Smalling have got his chance? Can't imagine Hodgson using him all that much in the league. Would he be currently doing a Matthew Briggs?
Would Roy still be here? We'd be watching the same players doing the same thing but a bit more slowly.
The Curbishley effect might have kicked in.

Ho hum.

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- they really didn't want to be in the europa from the first season....... but then fate took over, spoke to ray lew around that time, said they wanted to build a good squad and concentrate on the league (NT) -- ., Thursday, May 24, 02:13:51pm (5ac025b5.bb.sky.com/90.192.37.181)
Ledge 292 -- Jamesy, Thursday, May 24, 01:20:31pm (host217-40-247-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com/217.40.247.161)
Biggest Liar on this board by a stretch?

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- I have been posting on this board since 1999 and I don't know who "Ledge 292" is.... (NT) -- Dougie, Thursday, May 24, 01:23:56pm (93-97-54-239.dsl.cnl.uk.net/93.97.54.239)
  - I dont hang around with children or students, why would I have the slightest inclination to wanna introduce my self to many of the left wingers on here......i'd rather boil my testicles (NT) -- ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:30:39pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
    - Seeing how I am none of those, you must simply be beneath my notice. (NT) -- Dougie, Thursday, May 24, 01:54:11pm (93-97-54-239.dsl.cnl.uk.net/93.97.54.239)
- I suppose it's better than being the biggest cunt......... (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:24:20pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
  - Ok, so you get the award for mouthy internet warrior aswell!! (NT) -- Jamesy, Thursday, May 24, 01:26:35pm (host217-40-247-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com/217.40.247.161)
    - If you wanna come and shut it im in B block stevenage road stand...anytime you fancy ur chances.... (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:28:11pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
      - 07935410986 if you wanna shut me up. (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:32:56pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
        
        Seriously, how old are you. (NT) -- Jamesy, Thursday, May 24, 01:37:52pm (host217-40-247-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com/217.40.247.161)
        
        BOTTLEJOB. (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:48:30pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
        
        Why don't you answer your phone? (NT) -- Jamesy, Thursday, May 24, 02:18:06pm (host217-40-247-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com/217.40.247.161)
        
        So you go missing and pretend that you never saw this post, sums you up. (NT) -- Jamesy, Thursday, May 24, 02:54:35pm (host217-40-247-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com/217.40.247.161)
        
        Don't worry. Plenty of other fish in the sea. Get out there again. Next time you might a real legend rather than one who dabbles in false figures. (NT) -- Polecat - Relationship Counselor, Thursday, May 24, 03:01:28pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
        1 RING, YOU HERO, AND YOU WITHELD YOUR NUMBER, CALL ME AGAIN THEN, LET IT RING ....BOTTLEJOB (NT) -- LEDGE 292, Thursday, May 24, 03:29:07pm (host-92-26-15-49.as13285.net/92.26.15.49)
      - Please god that's a wind up or I'm moving (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 03:27:30pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- Jamsey and Ledge sitting in a tree. K - I - S - S ING. (NT) -- Polecat - Repressed lust spotter, Thursday, May 24, 01:27:31pm (port-87-193-150-2.static.qsc.de/87.193.150.2)
- Yes he's definitely the biggest liar this board has ever seen. (NT) -- Salad Dodger, Thursday, May 24, 01:36:06pm (host-92-4-218-142.as43234.net/92.4.218.142)
Carlos Cuellar -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 12:58:47pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
Worth a punt on a free.

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- for what purpose? (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 24, 01:04:20pm (93-97-47-216.zone5.bethere.co.uk/93.97.47.216)
  - Wenger will not allow Hangeland to be loaned out next summer (NT) -- Jez, Thursday, May 24, 01:07:15pm (NoHost/2.25.214.115)
- Does he shave his chest? (NT) -- bods son, Thursday, May 24, 01:29:57pm (cpc2-gill1-0-0-cust980.basl.cable.virginmedia.com/82.34.59.213)
  - lol. Not if his grandad can help it. (NT) -- Polecat - Mixing the posts spotter, Thursday, May 24, 01:31:48pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
    - polecat the racist, hates all the french. (NT) -- ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:33:54pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
      - French isn't a race, it is a nationality (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 24, 01:37:11pm (93-97-47-216.zone5.bethere.co.uk/93.97.47.216)
        
        Correct.... (NT) -- ChegwinLeGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 02:10:54pm (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
      - I judge all of god's creatures as individuals rather than stereotyping by race. I hold no discriminatory views against anyone based on their ethnicity. (But just to clarify there's no such thing as god). (NT) -- Polecat - A twat's a twat because they're a twat, not because their national heritage makes them a twat., Thursday, May 24, 01:37:21pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
        
        ethnicity and race are individually defineable too (NT) -- Pickn, Thursday, May 24, 01:56:19pm (93-97-47-216.zone5.bethere.co.uk/93.97.47.216)
        
        Is this not a bid pedantic in the context? Yes race and ethnicity are different things. However, racism is a catchall term for someone who dislikes someone else based on their race, ethnicity and / or nationalism. Thus if someone hates the French they are a racist; if someone hates blacks they are a racist; if someone hates caucasians they are a racist. (NT) -- Polecat - clear speaking anti - racist, Thursday, May 24, 02:00:04pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
        
        Wouldn't someone who dislikes French people be a zenophobe? As France is built of many races. (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 24, 02:21:00pm (60-240-61-84.tpgi.com.au/60.240.61.84)
        
        A 'xenophobe' is someone who fears (rather than dislikes) someone different from themselves (racially or otherwise). A "zenophobe" is someone who discriminates against buddhists. (NT) -- Jerry, Thursday, May 24, 02:32:26pm (NoHost/109.176.240.64)
        
        And a gramophone is what Mick's granddad listened to when he contemplated how he'd never shave his chest. (NT) -- Polecat, Thursday, May 24, 02:47:59pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
itv4 saturday 830am -- mca, Thursday, May 24, 12:15:12pm (92.40.254.69.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.69)
we're on big match revisited , again this saturday morning. It was 2-0 v carlisle last week, but this week I'm afraid its Derby away. Not sure I can put myself through it, I will get too angry. Remember Wilson actually getting booted by a fan during the game?

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- Christ, no. Could not watch that. (NT) -- Maltese Steve, Thursday, May 24, 12:22:24pm (NoHost/62.6.159.205)
  - Same here. A pig of a day. However, the lost minute or two masks the likelihood (as it seemed at the time) that we could have continued another hour in perfect conditions and still not scored. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Thursday, May 24, 12:43:22pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
- All a long time ago in the past. (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 12:54:22pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
  - So was Agincourt, but there's still plenty of folk will tell you they hate the French. (NT) -- m, Thursday, May 24, 12:56:52pm (NoHost/62.6.159.205)
    - I missed the Derby game, was in Paris. Got over it by about the following Monday morning...Grow a pair ffs (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 12:59:48pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
      - are you for real? (NT) -- Lee, Thursday, May 24, 01:11:04pm (NoHost/194.80.130.123)
      - So you don't hate the French then? (NT) -- Polecat - Historical clarifier, Thursday, May 24, 01:13:02pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
        
        RACIST, YOU HATE THE FRENCH (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:31:50pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
        
        What do you mean? Some of my best friends are French (and I like garlic, long white bread, wine, croissants - especially the ones with chocolate in them, Edith Piaf, pate, metric measurements, the Euro, French kissing in the USA and Paris Disneyland. (NT) -- Polecat - Je suis un rockstar, Thursday, May 24, 01:44:31pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
- of courde he's not for real, doubt he even knows what happened. (NT) -- mca, Thursday, May 24, 01:15:47pm (92.40.254.216.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.216)
  - Ive been to over 1300 games mate, i wont need lessons of you for sure....... (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 01:20:09pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
Alboy -- Jaded, Thursday, May 24, 12:00:39pm (NoHost/2.25.214.193)
For the past few days we've had him come on here and post the same stuff and more and more in a condescending way

just about every time the same posters reply but the next day he repeats the same theme

his reputation as a native but friendly pro Fulham persona has tricked you all when he is clearly a wum and not a very nice one as shown up by some of his name calling

ignore him and he will stop

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- In your opinion mate. I quite like his ramblings. (NT) -- Ledge 292, Thursday, May 24, 12:55:15pm (host-92-26-8-4.as13285.net/92.26.8.4)
  - There's been gossip about you two for ages. (NT) -- Polecat - Relationship clarifier, Thursday, May 24, 01:14:35pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
- Re: Alboy: Ha ha it's just a bit of friendly banter and exchange of opinions and should be treated as such. If it stimulates discussion great. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 01:30:50pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
  - The gossip is that's it's more than friendly 'banter' between you two (NT) -- Polecat - flogging a dead horse, Thursday, May 24, 01:34:00pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
    - I was replying to the original post. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 01:39:50pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
      - Don't mess with Jaded otherwise he'll expose your employer! (NT) -- Polecat - Defender of civil liberties, Thursday, May 24, 01:54:23pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
        
        That will be me then! (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 04:17:19pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
lack of ambition! -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 11:33:40am (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
I often hear fans complaining about their club's lack of ambition. For me to have ambition and goals to achieve is what it is all about. Some of our fans on here seem to lack ambition and are happy to just settle for reaching 40 points! Surely we have gone beyond that stage? We should always be looking to improve and a top 6 spot is an achievable ambition. Winning one of the cups would also be nice and that along with a top ten spot is also a realistic goal.

Most teams would start the season trying to get as high up the table as possible and a good start is vital. For us to climb a few more places would mean winning a few more games away from home. Jol has certainly got us playing in a more attacking way which will give us the chance to do this.

Clearly three good additions would help our cause and I believe we will strengthen the squad.

We complain about being called little Fulham but some of our fans have a little Fulham attitude, maybe we get the fans we deserve.

I am sure we will get the so called financial experts on here saying that we should not live beyond our means etc. That is correct but what I am talking about is steady growth and continual progress and that is what I want from my club.
COYW

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- I object to your little dig in your last sentence at fans who are/would be concerned about the future of the club if we overcommitt ourselves. It does you and your arguments absolutely no favours whatsoever. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 11:38:16am (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
  - Why are they so concerned? they should be smiling! Ultimately the only way we caneffect the longevity of the club is by continuing our support. Success will stimulate profits and more fans through the turnstiles. Our European adventure certainly raised our profile. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 01:38:02pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
    - Because there are countless examples, throughout the leagues, of clubs overextending themselves financially and this having a detrimental effect on their club. Look at Portsmouth FCS. Sure, they got an FA cup - but now they're in the third tier and might not even exist come the start of next season. I find it pretty depressing that you're throwing around these comments like 'so called' etc, to any fellow fan who doesn't automatically go straight to the best possible scenario like you do. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 03:06:48pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
      - I think your missing my point , I was asking for steady gradual progress and to try and finish as high in the league as possible. What I find depressing is the doom and gloom merchants that do not want us to progress and just to survive! (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 04:20:52pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
        
        Well that's not what you said. You said. 'I am sure we will get the so called financial experts on here saying that we should not live beyond our means etc' . That's not the same thing as what you've just said you've said. So is it any wonder that I've missed your point? (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 04:26:31pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
      - Look at Blackburn and Bolton, both could be considered as "ambitious" as players wages take up more than 90% of the clubs' income. That ambition hasnt done them much good. (NT) -- Matt, Thursday, May 24, 04:43:53pm (pat.emea.verizonbusiness.com/194.203.215.254)
- It's a bit of a glass ceiling isn't it Even Newcastle have more crowds and history than we have, So what sort of financial clout and upsurge do you think we (within our own means) can do to outstrip Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool (who won't continue to be a crap side)? (NT) -- KCJ, Thursday, May 24, 11:39:36am (host81-159-92-126.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.92.126)
- Yes we have gone beyonfd the stage of 40 points is enough but the gap to the top 6 ( for Newcastle read Liverpool ) is a chasm and whilst it mihgt be an ambtition it is not realistic. If we do get there then it must be on the basis of a sound financial model. (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 11:43:47am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- In case you hadn't noticed, this country and much of Europe is either in or close to recession. Apart from the big clubs bankrolled by Arabs, I don't expect very much movement in the transfer market this summer because clubs will be wanting to protect their position as much as possible. Of course, you have to spend a bit to stand still these days and ambition is great but Fulham is a small to medium-sized club. We can't get away from that. I don't think top 6 is achievable on our current spending and income. (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 11:44:04am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
  - Having to run my own company I fully understand how difficult times are during this recession. You do not have to spend fortunes as Newcastle and Everton have continually proven. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 01:43:42pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
    - And both clubs have significantly larger fanbases, and have still not really done anything more than we have. 6-8th generally, albeit Newcastle through in a curveball this year. But they've spent money this year, and performed brilliantly. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 03:08:24pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
- Mark Hughes impatient or realist? Probably neither , think you'd call him a idiot! (NT) -- Jaded, Thursday, May 24, 11:44:57am (NoHost/2.25.214.193)
- Actually i think the real risk is losing our current status as a good mid-higher table club. Could easily slide as Bolton and Blackburn did this season - and their resources are bigger than ours. We really need to be enjoying ourselves at the moment. Europe was an incredible bonus, cant be seen as a given (gutting though that is) (NT) -- woodman, Thursday, May 24, 11:45:41am (outbound.citizensadvice.org.uk/80.40.144.68)
  - What makes you say their resources are bigger than ours? (NT) -- Half an Exile, Thursday, May 24, 12:10:49pm (NoHost/194.42.230.50)
  - Not how I see it really - We have been on a steady climb since Mackintosh took over - we have good leadership from the top and good direction - something Bolton and Blackburn lacked (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 24, 01:19:04pm (60-240-61-84.tpgi.com.au/60.240.61.84)
- I think it's just that most of us are realistic enough to accept that finishing anywhere in the top 10 is a fantastic achievement for a club of our size and stature. It's not a case lacking ambition, it's just grounded common sense. (NT) -- Spencer, Thursday, May 24, 11:51:38am (92.40.254.176.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.176)
- Fulham fans get what they deserve? What a load of sh1t. Would you rather all Fulham fans went round banging on about how big and amazing we are so we became a laughing stock? (NT) -- Evidence, Thursday, May 24, 11:53:54am (host-92-27-78-71.static.as13285.net/92.27.78.71)
- Furthermore, Fulham is a club still in transition and while I'm really looking forward to seeing this team develop next season, to expect miracles isn't helpful. We still have a lot of pedestrian dead wood to get rid of and a few key positions to fill. Next season will be another one of transition it seems to me. (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 11:53:57am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
  - Continued steady growth is what I said. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 01:33:06pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
    - You did, and this is a phoney war because no-one on here is against that. The slight weirdness is that you embarked on a whole post implying your wish was out the ordinary. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Thursday, May 24, 02:45:32pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
      - I guess most of us want that but quite a few seem to be happy with achieving 40 points. I actually do not like the saying we cant achieve this or that. Maybe ultimately we can't finish in the top 6 but we can have a dam good try. (NT) -- Alboy., Thursday, May 24, 04:24:37pm (host217-25-2-83.100percentit.com/217.25.2.83)
        
        What I posted earlier, just below here, again refers -- the difference between peak aspiration and standard expectation. If the latter gradually rises, so will the former up to a point. Challenging for the title would be beyond that point in the foreseeable future; 6th place or a cup win wouldn't be. So that's a reasonable pipedream -- for you, me, doubtless many others. Harmless to say and feel that, but a standard season won't be like that unless the financial landscape of this club alters more radically than we've a right to expect or that -- more room for difference of opinion here-- many of us want. Meanwhile 16th or lower will be approximately as likely as the counterpart to peak, which is why `let's reach 40 points first' won't die out in a hurry and frankly shouldn't... (NT) -- b+w geezer, Thursday, May 24, 04:51:25pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
- There's a difference between having ambition and having achievable targets. (NT) -- Mitch, Thursday, May 24, 12:09:50pm (orc009-26332.routed.opal-solutions.com/195.12.26.177)
- There seems to be some cross-purpose talk about what's to be sought as an occasional peak performance and what's to be expected as the norm. Thus 6th place once in a blue moon versus aimed for regularly. The former's a good ambition to have and enough to get on with. The latter's not on for the foreseeable future. It's true that now wasn't foreseeable when we were losing at home to Hayes, so never say never, but by definition the unforeseeable's not material for a discussion forum. Organic growth is discussable -- and desirable. Each further year of it strengthens us as a middling prem power, with slightly less chance of falling from that perch and slightly more of peaking above it. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Thursday, May 24, 12:27:28pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
- Despite being the 8th longest serving Prem club, we're still babies compared to some clubs, which is reflected in our fan base. This is not being defeatist, its being realistic. We have a lot going for us with location, good board, good manager and I am certain our gates will continue to increase as the fans' we've picked up over the last few years grow up. The club needs to grow in an organic way and if that means selling some key players to achieve higher objectives then so be it. I think you need to look more long term Alboy because as Chegwin pointed out, to overstretch ourselves in this global market would be suicidal. (NT) -- V, Thursday, May 24, 12:38:18pm (cpc4-dals18-2-0-cust147.hari.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.84.148)
  - I think the fact that we are the 8th longest surviving club in the premiership shows just how easy it is to slip into a relegation dog fight and its no secret that many bigger clubs than us have been relegated. Therefore reaching safety and the 40 point target is still an achievement. No one is suggesting that the players switch off once 40 points is reached, but it should still be considered as a milestone. (NT) -- Matt, Thursday, May 24, 04:52:53pm (pat.emea.verizonbusiness.com/194.203.215.254)
- You sound like a lot of Charlton fans just before they went down. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 01:03:50pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
- I'd like to build the world a home And furnish it with love Grow apple trees and honey bees and snow-white turtle doves I'd like to teach the world to sing In perfect harmony I'd like to hold it in my arms and keep it company I'd like to see the world for once All standing hand in hand And hear them echo through the hills "Ah, peace throughout the land" (NT) -- Polecat - 'A' Rose Spectacled 'L BOY' spotter, Thursday, May 24, 01:23:55pm (NoHost/78.35.22.50)
Kalou & Boswinga -- Dan, Thursday, May 24, 10:09:59am (84-45-191-210.static.enta.net/84.45.191.210)
neither being kept on by Chelsea. would both be decent signings for us.....

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- We would probably have to break our wage structure to get them both. (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 24, 10:13:59am (host-2-103-125-177.as13285.net/2.103.125.177)
- No they wouldn't . Boswinga is awful defensively , Kelly and Baird are far better and Kalou's best years are behind him (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:17:49am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
  - Isn't Kalou mid 20's at most? (NT) -- Mitch, Thursday, May 24, 10:19:25am (orc009-26332.routed.opal-solutions.com/195.12.26.177)
  - Kalou is 27, so should be in his prime, but we don't need him. (NT) -- SS, Thursday, May 24, 10:24:40am (host86-182-180-194.range86-182.btcentralplus.com/86.182.180.194)
    - Didn't realise his age but still think he is on downslope (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:50:56am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
  - Kelly and Baird far better than Boswinga? You're on another planet mate! (NT) -- 1975, Thursday, May 24, 01:23:01pm (finscan06.nottingham.ac.uk/128.243.253.112)
    - Both are better defensively than Bosingwa which is the point of a right back (NT) -- PRW returned from Mars (or the Shy Horse as some would describe it), Thursday, May 24, 02:24:27pm (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- I'd be much more interested in trying for Lukaku on loan....just what we need IMO.... (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 10:20:44am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
  - Seriously on what evidence do you say that. Only saw in him in one game the CC match and he was only marginally better than Sa IMO (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:30:50am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
    - Looked a real handful at the Bridge in the cup game. (NT) -- Browski, Thursday, May 24, 10:36:32am (mx1.stuff-uk.net/81.6.234.161)
      - To be fair I only really watch our players unless someone is really standout and the only one that night on their side was Sturridge (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:45:40am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
      - I think he looks an interesting player, who has sciope to improve - possibly markedly. A loan move would be low risk it seems to me.... (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 11:49:15am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
    - I've seen him a few times, notably in two champions league matches against Partizan, and his finishing made Zamora's look clinical. He's a big, physical lump, but I've seen nothing to suggest the technical side of his game is what we need. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 10:49:12am (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
      - they bought him as one for the future. At that age Drogba wasn't even a footballer I don't think, plenty of time for him to learn the game. Suspect we've better things to be doing than letting that happen for us though,. I still like Okaka, while we're on the subject of players whose names have Ks in them. Thought he could've been a player. (NT) -- another rich, Thursday, May 24, 10:52:15am (NoHost/157.203.242.98)
      - OK - I am just as happy to laugh at him as the next man now - but surely no Fulham fan can question Zamora's finishing? Sure, he was less accurate with other clubs and had the odd moment at Fulham like the miss v Everton, but some of his goals were exceptionally well finished and he was pretty prolific, even if it was skewed to one season (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 24, 10:52:15am (60-240-61-84.tpgi.com.au/60.240.61.84)
        
        His finishing was appalling in his first season with us. That's why so many people wanted to pay his taxi fare to Hull. (NT) -- Two Ton Ted, Thursday, May 24, 11:16:26am (NoHost/195.193.203.188)
        No, sorry, can't have that at all. He had a decent season finishing wise, not great - but decent, out of four. I will remember him as a talented player whose composure in front of goal was very poor for a top flight player. Even in his 'good' season, his GPG was not much better than 1 every 3 games, and that was massively skewed by goals in the cups. He got 8 in 33 in the league - slightly worse than 1 every 4 games. Considering that was his best season for us, I'd have to disagree - his finishing was shite. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 11:43:11am (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
        
        Totally agree - never warmed to him as a player either. Very hard to like.... (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 11:51:49am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
        
        A feeling reciprocated by fans of his latest club (NT) -- Ambrose Beasley, Thursday, May 24, 01:59:27pm (host86-161-213-158.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.213.158)
        
        But some of his finishes were awesome. That goal vs Donesk (I think) at home was an amazing finish. Some in the league stood out as well. I think I am thinking of quality rather than quantity. (NT) -- ASPT, Thursday, May 24, 02:25:13pm (60-240-61-84.tpgi.com.au/60.240.61.84)
        
        I found that strike v Shakhtar so stunning partly because of his form up until that point. I was thoroughly expecting another attempted ball in to float harmlessly into the Hammersmith End. That he smacked it in amazed me. From that point on, he was a man transformed by newfound confidence. But that's Zamora all over - a confidence player. Unlike any of his other clubs, we've seen both sides of his character. Elsewhere he's either been wholly feted (Brighton) or regarded as not good enough (Spurs, West Ham) (NT) -- The Doctor, Thursday, May 24, 02:45:36pm (NoHost/192.171.129.41)
        But I don't think you can take 1 strike - or even extend it to 6, or 7, that took place in a period of 6 months or so, and use it as evidence to suggest the guy was a good finisher. I saw Aiden Newhouse score 4 goals in 6 games once for Fulham, it didn't make him a prolific goalscorer. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 03:13:47pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
- both'd clearly be good signings, Bosingwa in particular as he's the sort of adventurous full-back we've wanted forever. But I imagine there'll be bigger clubs than us happy to pay him big money so not much chance. Kalou always underrated I think, word seems to be that he gets picked when he does because he is one of the more disciplined defenders amongst Chelsea's forward players, so that'd work well with the way we play. Again though, suspect that unless he's very keen on playing in the borough he'll be off somewhere to earn more money than he'd get from us. (NT) -- another rich, Thursday, May 24, 10:50:42am (NoHost/157.203.242.98)
- Both fail to start on a regular basis for a fairly average Chelsea. Hope Martin is looking at younger potentially better. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 24, 11:06:16am (5acf75a4.bb.sky.com/90.207.117.164)
- Chelsea paid 16.5 million for Bosingwa, they had an option of another year but decided to let him go, How they just write off assests like that is wrong. I hope they get shafted financially soon not sure how but I just hope they do. (NT) -- lod, Thursday, May 24, 11:28:48am (62-133-9-210.spitfireuk.net/62.133.9.210)
Deeper into the shadows -- tonygalesjockstrap, Thursday, May 24, 09:35:09am (92.40.253.219.threembb.co.uk/92.40.253.219)
Having a conversation with my Fulham supporting mate, who like me has not renewed due to various reasons......

Anyway, looking at the seating plans so far, it seems we are by far from alone. Have the club shot their bolt here as we were always a good, cheap, viable option, even if it was for the premier league tourist. However, with the price increases does that mean this is not now the case.

We also fear (whatever your opinion) does the now massive success of that lot up the road mean another lost generation of Fulham fans?

I now wonder if the ground improvements are really needed.

Are we just being a moody old sods or is this a genuine concern?

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- Unemployment, rapidly rising cost of living, fear of job losses etc. all have an effect on how people spend their money. (NT) -- Stan Lee, Thursday, May 24, 09:38:08am (184-22-125-132.static.hostnoc.net/184.22.125.132)
  - speak for yourself. i'm doing fine and infact hope some of those in the more central seats in my stand give up their seats so i can move to their vacanted seats (NT) -- PWR, Thursday, May 24, 09:57:12am (NoHost/2.25.213.166)
  - speak for yourself. i'm doing fine and infact hope some of those in the more central seats in my stand give up their seats so i can move to their vacanted seats (NT) -- PWR, Thursday, May 24, 09:59:16am (NoHost/2.25.213.166)
    - We heard you the first time. "Speak for yourself I'm doing fine!" What a twat you are. (NT) -- jm, Thursday, May 24, 10:57:03am (host-92-21-173-164.as13285.net/92.21.173.164)
- You're being moody old sods. (NT) -- Dom(TO), Thursday, May 24, 09:51:35am (NoHost/31.76.169.92)
- Fulham has crept up in price. A lot. Yes, the headline figure of a ST for �399 looks very attractive but there aren't many more expensive that our most expensive seats.... (NT) -- ChegwinTheGreat - Captain, Leader, Legend, Thursday, May 24, 09:55:04am (csc-fwd-mdn-ign-vth-doh.emea.csc.com/20.138.246.89)
- You're being moody old sods. My season ticket is �529 which works out �27.80 per game which I think is brilliant. Each to their own though (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Thursday, May 24, 10:07:51am (5e0b664f.bb.sky.com/94.11.102.79)
  - Yeah, but aside from the fact we haven't renewed, most kids in south/west London will now prefer to walk around in one of their shirts rather than go to Fulham. I'm sure the price gild will be reflected in individual watcher too. Can noone see the biggest picture here? (NT) -- T, Thursday, May 24, 10:20:11am (92.40.253.161.threembb.co.uk/92.40.253.161)
    - Glid = hike, watcher = prices. Proof read first...... (NT) -- T, Thursday, May 24, 10:31:19am (92.40.253.194.threembb.co.uk/92.40.253.194)
- I dont think you can really argue about VFM with our season tickets. Think im paying c. �27 per game. When you think they charge c. �50 for big games that's a decent saving. Lot of mates who support other london clubs are pretty jealous. But I do get that in these tough times, it's not easy to swallow an increase. (NT) -- woodman, Thursday, May 24, 10:20:23am (outbound.citizensadvice.org.uk/80.40.144.68)
- Why on earth does that lot winning the CL mean however perirforal that you have not renewed. What they do doesn't concern me . Have reneewed at virtually the same price as last year �549 (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:20:24am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- I seriously considered noy renewing, or buying a cheaper seat. A mate has moved from Riverside to Hammersmith End. Our top prices are expensive, but apparently there is good demand for Riverside seats. They wouldn't be looking to expand if they weren't sure about demand. I dont think chelsea's success seriously affects us, they have always had bigger support than us. (NT) -- Dave, Thursday, May 24, 10:23:36am (87-224-116-34.spitfireuk.net/87.224.116.34)
- Paid �599 for my season ticket which works out at �31.52. Plus brought my two sons season tickets for �210, which works out �11.05 a game each. So each game for all of us cost just under �54, which I think is very reasonable and good value. (NT) -- Ted, Thursday, May 24, 10:25:17am (host-2-103-125-177.as13285.net/2.103.125.177)
  - Especially when you compare that to that lot up the road. (NT) -- Balti, Thursday, May 24, 10:31:47am (proxy1-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.15)
- My original post was little to do with whether I have renewed or not. In fact, I'm dropping down to a membership so I can bring my grandson and nephew more often and attend more away games. I'll probably spend more watching Fulham this year than I have in ages. I'm trying to not let playround peer pressure sway them. I was suggesting we would now be less attractive to the casual fan due to the increase and that society now loves to attach itself to success, i.e. them. If you could just stop doing the " I'm a better fan than you" bollox, I would have hoped my point would have come across! (NT) -- T, Thursday, May 24, 10:46:25am (92.40.253.151.threembb.co.uk/92.40.253.151)
  - think you're being over sensitive no-one 's saying that they are a better fan , simply saying that we think its still good value (�1 a game more than last year for me) as for youngsters suspect ompact will be outside the borough and the catchment area if you have a look at page 459 on Sky if you have it. Remote glory hunters are us . Thunk the club is doing an excellent job in the community (NT) -- PRW, Thursday, May 24, 10:57:20am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- Not renewed either. increasing prisces will see gradually the prawn sandwich mob creeping in and no atmosphere at Fulham. Atmosphere in recent years has been embarrassing. (NT) -- Spencer's Dad, Thursday, May 24, 12:56:18pm (NoHost/62.25.109.198)
  - Are you seriously suggesting that the atmosphere in the old days was better? Early nineties and 4000 odd people dotted about. 3 - 400 away supporters. Or do you mean during the climb 96-02 when we beat everyone off the park? Its not hard to sing when you're winning is it? (NT) -- May, Thursday, May 24, 02:34:05pm (host86-162-246-182.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.246.182)
    - Not sure too many grounds in the premiership have a better atmosphere than an evening game at The Cottage. Its not just about noise levels its the whole experience and feel. Apart from the neanderthals at Stoke most premiership grounds have poor atmospheres. Spurs can be OK. WBA is not what it was. Fulham can be dire on an early relatively beer free Sat/Sun match. (NT) -- HemelRog, Thursday, May 24, 03:52:00pm (5acf75a4.bb.sky.com/90.207.117.164)
- BRENTFORDS CHEAPEST ADULT TICKET IS �338 to stand on a terrace. That puts things into perspective a bit... (NT) -- Jim�, Thursday, May 24, 02:29:24pm (NoHost/91.84.234.86)
Moussa Dembele and his sister -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 05:13:42pm (92.41.251.235.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.235)
have bought a building in historic Antwerp which they want to turn into a hotel.It occurs to me that Mo and his people could very easily offer help and advice to Moussa and his sister to bring this project to fruition.After all Mo is still in the hotel business himself and this could be an opportunity to strengthen ties with our most talented player.

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- Jeez, how desperate can we get?!! (NT) -- fl, Wednesday, May 23, 05:15:42pm (host2.haynet.com/212.124.225.66)
- Probably the most bizarre post I've ever read. I'm probably better placed than Mo to advise on the conversion of a heritage asset, shall we use that as a sweetner too? Good Lord, I've told you before, lay off the herbs! (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 05:17:58pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
  - No I wouldn't ever recommend using YOU as a sweetener ! But seriously what a strange man you are.The people who run the Ritz in Paris for Mo must know people who operate the sort of city hotel they have in mind.Mo could also probably help out with architects,surveyors,building firms etc.Why the hell not! Starting a project like this in a recession is not necessarily a bad idea (cheap property and developement costs) but also can turn into a nightmare for idealistic beginners in business.Why can't Mo and his family help out.After if we can get Moussa to stay for a few years it would be fantastic for the club. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 05:44:04pm (92.41.251.248.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.248)
    - I've heard Kelly wants a new extension to the back of his house, shall we ask Mo to pop over with his laptop and AutoCAD? Maybe when he's finished he can go over to Clint's and paint his fence. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 05:48:30pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
      - Fayed and Sons - handymen for hire. (NT) -- The Doctor, Wednesday, May 23, 05:51:09pm (NoHost/192.171.129.41)
        
        It has a ring to it, doesn't it. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 06:10:22pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
      - Silly fool,why do you think Mo used to offer the players big discounts at Harrods.I'll give you a clue.It wasn't because he needed to boost Harrod's turnover.You sound a little bitter.Is no one using your much-vaunted 'expertise'.Try advertising in next month's full-time. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 06:16:15pm (92.41.251.241.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.241)
        
        Yea because giving someone a discount in a shop is exactly the same as providing them with hours and hours of hands-on expertise. What a berk. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 06:27:00pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
        
        Poor SLW,hang in there.I'm sure somebody somewhere will want to pay for your advice someday. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 07:04:11pm (92.41.251.246.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.246)
        
        Strange, very very strange. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 07:15:52pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
        
        Let's face it SLW ,with your 'I 'm probably better placed' paroxism of anger,you're no mystery.You're loopy because you're not 'in the loop'. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 07:38:36pm (92.41.251.239.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.239)
        
        I don't even know what that means, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has seen your mental health steadily decline over the years. You used to be a mild irritant but now you're just insane, do you sit in a darkened room all day touching yourself, eating toast and trolling? Get some help buddy. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 07:45:14pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
        
        Toast eating ! Now you're getting vicious. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 08:11:07pm (92.40.255.90.threembb.co.uk/92.40.255.90)
    - Suffice to say Alanos, of Queens Park Fulham fame, was a WUM before Wumming even became fashionable. (NT) -- Polecat, Wednesday, May 23, 09:10:49pm (cable-87-78-104-51.netcologne.de/87.78.104.51)
      - It's like being dive-bombed by flies. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 11:45:49pm (92.40.255.68.threembb.co.uk/92.40.255.68)
- aaah, leave him alone. In fact, we could take the whole idea further. We could pool our talents on this forum and then between us, we could offer our heroes any service they require. "Clint, don't leave mate and we'll do your gardening for free for a year" (NT) -- gj, Wednesday, May 23, 05:35:09pm (host86-167-10-195.range86-167.btcentralplus.com/86.167.10.195)
- FAIL (NT) -- Pognosis, Wednesday, May 23, 06:03:37pm (188-222-193-57.zone13.bethere.co.uk/188.222.193.57)
  - Devestating critique ! How will I ever get over it? You're a student of Demosthenes or do you prefer the rhetoric of Cicero? I envy your eloquence. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 07:19:15pm (92.41.251.246.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.246)
    - Fail. (NT) -- Pognosis, Wednesday, May 23, 07:53:14pm (ec2-50-16-193-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com/50.16.193.39)
      - WordS evidently have failed you again. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 11:48:59am (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)
- you lot are way too harsh. its a fone idea. first, it tells dembele that we consider him an adult and someone worthy of doing business with (something im certain is rare for footballers to here from management). second, it creates binding ties in the time honoured way - going through a man's family. (NT) -- rjbiii, Wednesday, May 23, 06:08:51pm (miep.mobitel.si/213.229.249.40)
  - Exactly and I'm sure if Mo had realised Moussa and his sister were going into the hotel business he would have offered advice.(as for the hissing Sids ,they're just trying to assuage hurt egos from a while back.Perfectly fine) (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 06:25:46pm (92.41.251.234.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.234)
    - Hurt egos? Is that the same people who long-stated that we'd be better off without Zamora (as demonstrated) or those who blindly defending him whilst actively talking-up a merger with QPR? You complete oddball. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 06:29:33pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
      - Ha ha,you were slagging off Zamora FIVE years ago.Would we have been better off without him during our run to the europa league final? Still a sore point,then. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 07:11:57pm (92.41.251.236.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.236)
        
        Whilst I wanted Zamora to stay at that time, SLW was hardly on his own wanting to sell him, Hodgson was happy for him to leave when the Club were approached. You remain alone in thinking its a good idea to merge with QPR, which remains the strangest suggestion I have ever heard from a Fulham supporter. (NT) -- Matt, Wednesday, May 23, 07:32:05pm (5ac020ab.bb.sky.com/90.192.32.171)
        Just this once I'll reply to the QPR accusation.I don't want a merger,I wanted QPR to get relegated.I did ask people to state whether given the choice in the medium to long term between staying independent and drifting down the leagues or merging with Qpr (at a hypothetical rebuilt cottage) and becoming a top six super club,which they would prefer.Put like that it's not such a stupid question to ask. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, May 23, 07:49:48pm (92.41.251.234.threembb.co.uk/92.41.251.234)
        
        I doubt I'll be alone in remembering this totally differently. Nice attempt at 'spin' though Alanos. (NT) -- South London White, Wednesday, May 23, 08:03:14pm (94.197.127.47.threembb.co.uk/94.197.127.47)
        
        correct. This reinvention of the truth shouldn't be a huge surprise though. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 11:46:27am (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
        
        Phew help finally arrived SLW. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 11:53:42am (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)
        
        No, I think ignacius below, had also called bullshit on your bullshit long before I did. But don't let that stop you talking more bullshit mate. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 03:16:16pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
        
        I'm not your mate. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 03:23:01pm (92.40.255.79.threembb.co.uk/92.40.255.79)
        
        I'm so glad that of all the points you argue with (and you being last word larry there would always be one), that its that one you have chosen. No. You're not my mate. I would be surprised if anyone was considered to be your mate considering your lying, hypocrisy, and constant, deliberate attempts to provoke conflict with every post you make. I have never met someone who takes the diametric view to everyone else on pretty much every thing they say before. Your wish for FFC to merge with QPR is just another example of that. (NT) -- GBLB, Thursday, May 24, 03:29:37pm (83-244-216-18.cust-83.exponential-e.net/83.244.216.18)
        
        "Put like that it's not such a stupid question to ask." I seem to recall that you actually advocated the scenario rather than ask the question. I'll answer it though. NO. I'd take FFC slipping down the leagues rather than merge with any club. with the growth of our support base over the last decade or so and the potential growth over the next 3-4 years the club is unlikely to suffer the same way it did in the late '60s or the decade after the travesty of 1983. top 6 superclub? no I'm more than happy with what we've got (except it's about time we won a bloody cup)... (NT) -- ignaciius, Wednesday, May 23, 08:39:24pm (NoHost/82.132.238.244)
    - disagree with you on the employee discounts though. those are less of a perk and more of a way of channeling your money back to you (NT) -- rjbiii, Wednesday, May 23, 06:31:57pm (miep.mobitel.si/213.229.249.40)
      - Strongly dissagree.You can't think the purchases(discounted) by a couple of dozen footballers are going to make any difference to an operation the scale of Harrods. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 11:40:31am (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)
- Is Alanos the best WUM ever. 90% of the time you believe he is serious. The greatest trick the WUM ever played was making everyone think he didn't exist (NT) -- ASPT, Wednesday, May 23, 09:43:23pm (60-240-61-84.tpgi.com.au/60.240.61.84)
  - After your embarrassing posts yesterday about the murderers of Shafilia I would have thought a little reticence and humility was in order. (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 11:24:27am (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)
- Priceless...absolutely priceless (NT) -- WayneKerrins, Wednesday, May 23, 10:41:08pm (host81-149-224-103.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.224.103)
  - Gee thanks ''Wayne'' (NT) -- alanos, Thursday, May 24, 11:46:28am (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)

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