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Tankovic turns pro -- Toby, Thursday, February 23, 01:51:34am (NoHost/212.124.247.104)
Fulham announced this afternoon that Swedish striker Muamer Tankovic has agreed professional terms with the club, signing a two-year contract.

Tankovic signed for Fulham last September from IFK Norrkoping after a successful trial and quickly established himself as a regular in the club’s under-18 side. The striker, who recently scored twice in Fulham’s FA Youth Cup win at Peterborough, had another reason to celebrate today – it’s his seventeenth birthday.

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- We'll be poaching him off you at the end of that contract you toby. (NT) -- Addick, Thursday, February 23, 02:21:54am (host-92-4-222-234.as43234.net/92.4.222.234)
Fulham tracking German pair -- Toby, Thursday, February 23, 01:48:56am (NoHost/212.124.247.104)
Fulham are currently watching two team-mates at the German second division outfit Greuther Furth, according to a report from Inside Futbol.

The website claims that the Premier League club sent representatives to watch 22 year-old midfielder Edgar Prib and centre forward Sercan Sararer during Greuther Furth’s 5-1 thrashing of Paderborn earlier this month. Fulham scouts also saw the Sararer play the following week in a 0-0 draw at Ingolstadt, with Prib remaining on the bench during that fixture.

Prib, a Russian-born midfielder, has scored three goals – and made six more – in 23 appearances this season. Sararer, also 22, has helped fire Furth to third in the table, finding the net eleven times in 26 games for his club this term. The pair are under long-term contracts with the Bavarian outfit, but Martin Jol is reportedly considering a summer double swoop.

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Capital punishment. Yes /no will suffice. -- :), Wednesday, February 22, 11:53:25pm (027d8949.bb.sky.com/2.125.137.73)
When proved without reasonable doubt? Yrs

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- To be fair, that was neither (NT) -- A. P. Dant, Thursday, February 23, 12:08:33am (5e003504.bb.sky.com/94.0.53.4)
- All criminal convictions are beyond reasonable doubt. (NT) -- Angus, Thursday, February 23, 12:39:53am (cpc2-epso4-2-0-cust162.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/80.6.136.163)
  - For the sake of the thread, I hope your surname is Bytheneckuntildead (NT) -- rich, Thursday, February 23, 12:46:52am (NoHost/206.53.45.239)
extra drinking time -- ekw, Wednesday, February 22, 09:18:55pm (host-2-103-45-42.as13285.net/2.103.45.42)
im gonna be even more drunk than i thought

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Trying to find out about a player's eligibility to win medals in football tournaments. For example, do only people who play in the FA Cup final win a medal, what about unused subs or people who have played in every round but miss the final. What happened when the cup final used to go to replays? Likewise for European tournaments - would Stockdale have won a runners up medal in the Europa League despite only playing the first game away to CSKA? Also the World Cup... Does anyone know or can find any links? All help appreciated. -- Lans, Wednesday, February 22, 09:15:24pm (host81-151-149-129.range81-151.btcentralplus.com/81.151.149.129)

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- Regarding the World Cup, Pepe Reina got a winners medal despite having not played at all during the tournament. He was their third choice of the three GK's they took (Valdes, Casillias and Reina). (NT) -- Putney White (the real one who has used this handle for a couple of years so get your own, poser!), Wednesday, February 22, 09:55:15pm (host-78-147-52-184.as13285.net/78.147.52.184)
- Aren't clubs given a certain amount of medals? 'Famous' case being Liverpool supposedly having to choose between Diao and Mellor for a medal. (NT) -- Enigma, Wednesday, February 22, 09:55:18pm (02d8430a.bb.sky.com/2.216.67.10)
NFR. RIP Frank Carson. -- --, Wednesday, February 22, 09:11:47pm (host86-180-82-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com/86.180.82.7)
Legend

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- its the way he told them (NT) -- ,, Wednesday, February 22, 09:22:39pm (host-2-103-45-42.as13285.net/2.103.45.42)
- I saw the great man do an after-dinner speech only last year. I was sat about 3 feet away from him and have genuinely never laughed as much. Brilliant to the end. RIP (NT) -- Fulhamkev, Wednesday, February 22, 09:32:26pm (5adc1101.bb.sky.com/90.220.17.1)
- Seriously funny man - so sad to hear this - RIP ... they'll be in stitches wherever he goes! (NT) -- Worsley, Wednesday, February 22, 11:58:50pm (cpc3-lea21-0-0-cust161.6-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.3.228.162)
Ex fulham players or managers -- Gordon, Wednesday, February 22, 08:41:40pm (NoHost/80.84.1.23)
On fulham player or manager who leaves under a cloud has ever done well FACT! Yes some have done well Vds and Finnan but they left with our blessing! Everyone else from keegan to bullard has crashed and burned! I see no reason why hughes and zamora should be any different!

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- Louis Saha, Paul Parker? (NT) -- JamesS, Wednesday, February 22, 08:45:01pm (02df270c.bb.sky.com/2.223.39.12)
  - Saha gets a bad press from fans on here but his fee paid for the up grade of the cottage and paul parker wasn't all that! Although compared to present england players at least he has been to a world cup semi final but he did never set the world alight! Remember his return here? -- Gordon, Wednesday, February 22, 08:52:44pm (omigw2.vfnet.de/80.84.1.19)
    - Agree with all you say (and yes I do remember his return). My point was that they went onto bigger and better things when they both left under a cloud. (NT) -- JamesS, Wednesday, February 22, 08:56:27pm (02df270c.bb.sky.com/2.223.39.12)
- seem to remember Allan Clarke did OK for himself......... (NT) -- WMacD, Wednesday, February 22, 08:51:21pm (host81-132-249-71.range81-132.btcentralplus.com/81.132.249.71)
- Malcolm Macdonald (as a player), Allan Clerke, Bobby Robson (manager), Tony Gale, Paul Parker, Louis Saha, Ray Houghton, even Chris Smalling (so far). (NT) -- C, Wednesday, February 22, 08:55:05pm (host31-52-115-248.range31-52.btcentralplus.com/31.52.115.248)
  - Saha has not had great success since he left just been in fury prone. And how ds Chris smelling leave under a cloud? We got 11 million for a bench warmer. (NT) -- JC, Wednesday, February 22, 09:11:32pm (cpe-76-168-220-242.socal.res.rr.com/76.168.220.242)
- Hughes? Am I missing something? (NT) -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 08:59:00pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
  - Mark Hughes u mug, who did u think i meant? -- Gordon, Wednesday, February 22, 09:28:19pm (87.114.155.16.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net/87.114.155.16)
    - You seem nice Gordon, my mistake, I was thinking players which is why I asked the question, but thanks for your patience perhaps we could be friends (NT) -- Pickn, Wednesday, February 22, 10:22:28pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
- Keegan didn't leave under a cloud - he left under a halo (NT) -- WhiteHawk, Wednesday, February 22, 09:59:34pm (host86-131-62-71.range86-131.btcentralplus.com/86.131.62.71)
NFR -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 07:24:22pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
What is happening to this country? Just reported on the news is the story of a 6 month pregnant woman walking home in Kilburn when she passed 3 youths. Just as the youths passed her, they grabbed her around the neck, produced a blade, and then started stabbing her in the stomach.

I’m sure even in a city where we are virtually immune to all grades of criminal activity this crime sets new standards in evilness.

If we can’t have the death penalty, then a crime such as this should be punishable by humanely amputating their hands.

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- agreed this has never happened before (NT) -- Lork, Wednesday, February 22, 07:30:15pm (cpc7-seac19-2-0-cust230.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com/82.7.140.231)
- This isn't Saudi Arabia thank God. Just bang them up for 20 years. (NT) -- bob123, Wednesday, February 22, 07:30:23pm (93-186-31-80.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.31.80)
  - Banging them up for 20 years is £760,000 based on december 2011 statistics, that doesnt take inflation into consideration it is currently £38,000 a year. So for these 3 mutes it would cost the tax payer £2.2m or we could hang them, rope is about £5 a metre (NT) -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 07:34:26pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
  - "Just bang them up for 20 years" and the victims family will be happy then I suppose? I despair at times! (NT) -- Biff, Wednesday, February 22, 07:56:13pm (NoHost/2.25.209.14)
- Funny you should bring this up. I heard on the radio news (about an hour ago) of the bouncer in Newport who got sentenced for raping and then stabbing to death a pregnant 19 year old in her own home and trying to set the whole place on fire after. Our coping mechanism is effectively to de-sensitise ourselves to all this horror. What a world. (NT) -- rich, Wednesday, February 22, 07:30:43pm (NoHost/206.53.45.239)
- and a complete withdrawal of their human rights would be a start as well (enabling unlimited torturing, etc) (NT) -- rich, Wednesday, February 22, 07:39:39pm (NoHost/206.53.45.239)
- Not opposed to the death penalty in theory, but lopping peoples limbs off is a bit too medieval for me. (NT) -- bob123, Wednesday, February 22, 07:42:17pm (5acfde92.bb.sky.com/90.207.222.146)
- What dumbarses. Your solution for scum and dumb neanderthals. be even more scum and dum yourself. (NT) -- Topic, Wednesday, February 22, 07:45:37pm (94-30-19-163.xdsl.murphx.net/94.30.19.163)
  - Get off your high horse. This type of scum don't deserve the air they breathe. (NT) -- FFC4Life, Wednesday, February 22, 07:51:54pm (92.40.253.112.threembb.co.uk/92.40.253.112)
- ...shocking report. the malaise is deep and will take generations to deal with. unfortunately our political system is very "short termist" and the people in/have power don't have the inclination to start tackling the issues as the end result is years & years down the line. personally I'd start by locking people up for 10 years if caught carrying a blade: not using it, just carrying it. as for possession of a fire arm that should carry a mandatory life sentence. society needs to be brutally ruthless to be kind... (NT) -- ignaciius, Wednesday, February 22, 07:45:38pm (NoHost/82.132.237.128)
  - Completly agree, the problem is there is no spaces in the prisons so offenders get a slap on the wrist. The positive of death penalty is freeing up spaces in prison. (NT) -- a, Wednesday, February 22, 08:06:40pm (cpc1-cwma8-2-0-cust100.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com/82.20.152.101)
    - I oppose capital punishment purely on the basis of miscarriages of justice. the law enforcement agencies have been proven to stripe people up in the past and more than likely still do. even if we had capital punishment it could only be applicable to "murder most horrid" and terrorist atrocity. how many felons a year would we off? 100, 200. 500? in the scheme of things that isn't going to really release up that many prison spaces. perhaps we should build more prisons for the short term (say 50 years). if we start locking people up for serious time maybe in 50 years society (or the ones who want to occupy the malevolent regions) will start getting the message. society would also need to address measures for crime prevention that would upset bleeding heart liberals. as a nation we have been and continue to breed increasing numbers of feral scum.... (NT) -- ignaciius, Wednesday, February 22, 08:34:50pm (NoHost/82.132.237.217)
- The death sentence is no answer(look at America the most violent country in the western world! But life should mean at least 30 years. (NT) -- Rollerball, Wednesday, February 22, 07:58:38pm (host-78-144-73-214.as13285.net/78.144.73.214)
- I am not in favour of the death penalty, but we certainly have reached a stage in our criminal justice where a large section of society do not fear the consequences of their actions, and we need to get it back. What the solution is I haven't a clue, I suppose it means tougher sentences and tougher prison regimes, but we already lock up more people than the rest of Europe and it doesn't seem to be doing us any good. (NT) -- Bananaman, Wednesday, February 22, 08:00:38pm (host109-156-20-58.range109-156.btcentralplus.com/109.156.20.58)
  - I think that we will have to eventually resort to technology in dealing with these people. Surgically microchip them with tracking devices which relay and record all their movements with the added capability of immobilising them by remotely hijacking their central nervous system. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 08:10:38pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
    - Hahahaha seriously? (NT) -- Liam, Wednesday, February 22, 08:17:08pm (cpc6-newc15-2-0-cust43.gate.cable.virginmedia.com/82.39.212.44)
      - Yeah, absolutely. The tech is there, and if there is no room in prisions, we make their life a prison. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 08:20:31pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
        
        with tp on this one - a length of rope is way cheaper & they won't be doing it again!! -- HC, Wednesday, February 22, 08:31:04pm (host-89-243-47-23.as13285.net/89.243.47.23)
        G. has to be right that bio-tech intervention will become entirely feasible and soon. It's becoming so also, of course, in scenarios unconnected with crime and punishment. Feasible won't mean legal, and lawmakers are liable to want to shie away from the contentious implications for as long as they can. That will see out the likes of me, but surely not those of Liam's generation, who can expect to have to vote on some huge ethical issues (NT) -- b+w geezer, Wednesday, February 22, 11:33:59pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
  - Castration? Aversion therapy loke in Clockwork Orange? (NT) -- WhiteHawk, Wednesday, February 22, 10:04:23pm (host86-131-62-71.range86-131.btcentralplus.com/86.131.62.71)
    - *like* (NT) -- WhiteHawk, Wednesday, February 22, 10:05:00pm (host86-131-62-71.range86-131.btcentralplus.com/86.131.62.71)
- The crime rate is plummeting in the US despite recession etc so perhaps it is a deterent? (NT) -- Glos White, Wednesday, February 22, 08:37:30pm (02dd1884.bb.sky.com/2.221.24.132)
  - But only 35 states have death penalty, and this number is gradually reducing. (NT) -- Observer, Wednesday, February 22, 08:52:51pm (5e0c0d96.bb.sky.com/94.12.13.150)
- As it happened near a tube station, with any luck they were caught on CCTV. Hopefully their friends or family will do the right thing and grass the scum up before they do it again. (NT) -- Hammy ender, Wednesday, February 22, 08:57:06pm (80.229.117.224.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net/80.229.117.224)
- To stop this you must start at home. A good number of kids these days have parents who behaved the same! What ever happened to being punished by the yard stick or hair brush at home.:( (NT) -- :(, Wednesday, February 22, 11:42:58pm (027d8949.bb.sky.com/2.125.137.73)
Saturday.... -- AB, Wednesday, February 22, 07:15:14pm (NoHost/94.72.249.65)
Starting to dred the cringeworthy moment we start giving Bobby immense amounts of grief only for him to score (at our end) and cup his ear and sssshhhhhhhhh us making us all feel like mugs....

On a happier note - we will still win but that moment will be awful.

COYW!

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- or worse him scoring in the opposite end and running down to our end deliberatley to wind us up and (NT) -- ffc, Wednesday, February 22, 07:19:34pm (NoHost/87.113.185.122)
- I don't see why we need to abuse him, he's past his sell by date & we got big £s for him? (NT) -- SP, Wednesday, February 22, 07:28:56pm (host86-166-203-231.range86-166.btcentralplus.com/86.166.203.231)
- Thats my point...I hope people dont bother it's just a bit embarrassing. By all means if we win at final whistle we can give a little but surely we run the risk of looking mugs if during the game early on....I guarantee even before KO anti Bobby songs will be chanted. Cringe. (NT) -- AB, Wednesday, February 22, 07:44:49pm (NoHost/94.72.249.65)
- The man is a knob and we will all want to let him know this which will be booing and anti Zamora (NT) -- lod, Wednesday, February 22, 07:52:24pm (host81-159-115-67.range81-159.btcentralplus.com/81.159.115.67)
- Zamora will limp off around the 70 minute mark having NOT scored. Fact. (NT) -- jm, Wednesday, February 22, 08:00:53pm (host-92-21-161-236.as13285.net/92.21.161.236)
- Rubbish, we should give him dogs abuse. For a start, it clearly gets to him, and if things dont go his away he'll start throwing a strop. My money is him getting subbed early to massive cheers from our end. It'll be good fun, stop worrying so much and, er, 'cringing' (NT) -- NZ, Wednesday, February 22, 08:08:07pm (5acb60f2.bb.sky.com/90.203.96.242)
- as soon as he touches the ball go deathly silent and when he releases the ball, cackle really loudly. It will mess him up big time. It won't happen but trust me it would work. (NT) -- gj, Wednesday, February 22, 08:12:19pm (cpc2-kemp6-2-0-cust225.9-2.cable.virginmedia.com/82.11.122.226)
- There is nothing in our away record to suggest a win. I could almost bet my mortgage on Zamora scoring and them winning. Really, really hope I'm wrong. (NT) -- JamesS, Wednesday, February 22, 08:59:14pm (02df270c.bb.sky.com/2.223.39.12)
Abu Qatada -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 07:04:26pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
They say Abu Qatada has to be released because he hasn't broken any rules in England.
Oh yeah? What about the rule that says you have to have a 'u' after 'q'?

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- We need to see a birth certificate (NT) -- Barack Obama, Wednesday, February 22, 07:15:27pm (NoHost/206.53.45.239)
- ...not if the word is qi or qis (NT) -- scrabble, Wednesday, February 22, 07:49:53pm (NoHost/82.132.237.128)
- I thought he'd been released because Jordan won't guarantee torturing him, if he was extradited, But then that spoils the joke. (NT) -- Balti, Wednesday, February 22, 09:53:27pm (proxy1-ext.my-it-solutions.net/217.115.65.15)
  - Re: I thought he'd been released because Jordan won't guarantee torturing him, if he was extradited, But then that spoils the joke. -- Bizarrebaz, Wednesday, February 22, 10:29:25pm (NoHost/212.183.128.92)
Jars -- Jimmy Features, Wednesday, February 22, 06:04:35pm (027cd7e8.bb.sky.com/2.124.215.232)
Any clues as to what pub everyone is meeting at on Saturday?? COYW!!

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- Evening officer, you getting paid overtime? (NT) -- IL, Wednesday, February 22, 06:22:40pm (wwwcache.gla.ac.uk/130.209.6.43)
- Just doing my job, where is everyone meeting? (NT) -- Bob the copper, Wednesday, February 22, 06:51:43pm (NoHost/82.132.211.79)
  - Hammersmith, you coming to give us an escort (NT) -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 06:56:26pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
    - Yes I will be walking around hammersmith from about 1 o'clock so we can round you all up (NT) -- Bob the copper, Wednesday, February 22, 07:52:25pm (NoHost/82.132.211.79)
  - Bob... I'll give you the heads up around one-ish (NT) -- Midlife, Wednesday, February 22, 09:00:50pm (client-86-23-61-185.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com/86.23.61.185)
- Me and the firm will be meeting at the South Africa Road arms before and after the game. We aren't looking for trouble though. (NT) -- Firm bet, Wednesday, February 22, 07:10:23pm (92.40.254.68.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.68)
- Any pub where you aren't. (NT) -- ., Wednesday, February 22, 07:31:02pm (5e0c0d96.bb.sky.com/94.12.13.150)
- Re: Jars The Brook Green Hotel is the place to be on Saturday. Good beer not far from the ground, friendly atmosphere and i will be there what more do you want? (NT) -- Smithy [Walking sticks where are you?], Wednesday, February 22, 07:34:19pm (5ad8fce1.bb.sky.com/90.216.252.225)
NFR Charity Sports Event -- Jo Plumb, Wednesday, February 22, 04:53:59pm (mail.ciob.org.uk/194.217.225.130)
I know some of you on here are local to me Windsor/Slough/Maidenhead but even if you're not I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sponsoring me for a 3 hour Zumbathon (aerobics/dance basically)to raise money for Thames Hospice. There's apparently a best dressed prize available so I'm doing a different fulham shirt/kit each hour if anyone could donate even £1 every little helps. Thanks

http://www.virginmoneygiving.com/JPCrafty

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QPR Tickets -- GBK, Wednesday, February 22, 03:57:52pm (webdefence.cluster-j.websense.net/85.115.54.180)
Just grabbed a ticket from the ticket office and they've had a few returned from QPR. If you need one there are about 10 left.

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- Typical Foolum can't sell out your cup final, etc etc ad nuseum (NT) -- QPR Tarquin, Wednesday, February 22, 04:13:31pm (NoHost/195.193.203.188)
- sorry but how can it be OUR cup final when we are bigger and better than you your the undrdogs (NT) -- ffc, Wednesday, February 22, 07:22:54pm (NoHost/87.113.185.122)
- More to the point, why were QPR selling Fulham end tickets? (If indeed they were...) (NT) -- Ian C, Wednesday, February 22, 08:03:56pm (47.165.189.80.dyn.plus.net/80.189.165.47)
Question for G re: protein shakes -- Mick, Wednesday, February 22, 03:17:24pm (5ade0f2f.bb.sky.com/90.222.15.47)
Hi G. Just wanted to pick your brain. I've been looking at using Maximuscle promax or promax diet, for the simple reason that it appears to be a "trusted", quality brand. Its expensive but I dont want to risk buying poor quality protein that doesnt really impact my training or recovery at all.

Im finding it hard to find the time to eat the 5-6 meals a day at the moment, Im getting in about 4 high protein/carb meals with walnuts and peanut butter thrown in as a snack. Up to about 200g protein yesterday throughout the day (230 target) and am on track for 200 again today. Protein shakes should help me I just want to make sure I find a good brand.

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- If you join the Maximuscle mailing list, you'll soon start getting decent offers. Whatever you use, let the drink settle for five minutes after shaking, or you'll be erupting like Krakatoa all night. (NT) -- Lol, Wednesday, February 22, 03:25:51pm (5ac37b2e.bb.sky.com/90.195.123.46)
- maxi muscle is a rip off......get yourself over to myprotein, far better quality and very very good prices. (NT) -- tony monooooo brow, Wednesday, February 22, 03:38:57pm (93-186-31-80.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.31.80)
  - I see people say that its a rip off but they never back it up. It's expensive I know but I'm after quality. I'm lucky in that the cost isnt going to be a major issue. Maximuscle claims huge absorption rates better than other brands but it could all be bollocks. Would be good to have someone ITK provide some clarity! (NT) -- Mick, Wednesday, February 22, 03:59:44pm (5ade0f2f.bb.sky.com/90.222.15.47)
    - shows how much research you have done. go onto any proper weightlifting forum and ask their, they will tell you to save your pennies and go somehwere else, 8 out of 10 would most likely say myprotein. protein is protein mate. (NT) -- tony monooo brow, Wednesday, February 22, 04:55:54pm (93-186-31-81.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.31.81)
      - The bloke in GNC Bromley told me myprotein stuff is pony. (NT) -- Lol, Wednesday, February 22, 05:36:59pm (5ac37b2e.bb.sky.com/90.195.123.46)
    - Its big time bollocks, you are being ripped off. Go to myprotein (NT) -- HE, Wednesday, February 22, 11:47:07pm (cpc10-pmth9-2-0-cust283.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com/82.2.59.28)
- have you lot tried the gaydar website ? I am sure they will help you out as they probably all stand around in tight t-shirts looking at themselves in the mirror...also didnt you know body builders end up with/start of with small penises ? (NT) -- chinners knockfer trouser sausage, Wednesday, February 22, 03:49:48pm (host86-161-178-159.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.178.159)
- Hello Mick, protein powders are somewhat of a minefield; questionable ingredients, source and quality being the constant consideration. The problem is that there is no real policing of these manufactures which is why I always recommend solid food meals over protein drinks where possible. The issue over absorption is generally down to the lactose contains in milk proteins. A pure whey isolate is the best choice, with a tablespoon of peanut butter or Olive oil added to slow down absorption if a timed release effect is desired – perhaps before bed. ‘Optimum nutrition’ make good products manufactured in pharmaceutical grade sterility. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 05:02:44pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
  - If cost isn't an issue then I would go for Optimum Nutritions 'Platinum Hydrowhey'. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 05:09:43pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
    - There's a lot out there, isn't there. Maximuscle, Myprotein, Optimum nutrition... Ive just spent the last hour going through their sites and am more confused than before. I liked the idea of Maximuscle promax diet because it sounds like it can help with reducing body fat. Although the ON products sound good too. Im thinking Id take a casein shake about 2-3 hours before working out, then a high protein shake immediately after. Plan to take some CLA/EFA regularly through the day too. Just need to choose a brand now. (NT) -- Mick, Wednesday, February 22, 05:39:45pm (5ade0f2f.bb.sky.com/90.222.15.47)
      - There are 100's of companies claiming all sorts of hyped, unproven nonsense. With regard to fat loss, that should be designed around your calorie and carb intake; no protein shake mix will help with that by itself, regardless of what the lable claims. One supplement you can look at if fat loss is required is Oxyelite Pro. However, be warned, this is actually one of the rare supplements that work. But I would recommend plenty of personal research into the supplement before making a decision to use it. Don't bother with CLA/EFA. Like most supplements - a complete waste of money. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 05:50:46pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
        
        I should add that CLA/EFA are a complete waste of money for fat loss, but not for health. Too many essential fatty acids can have a negative impact of recovery, as the inflammation response is what the immune system uses to initiate recovery. EFA's in high amounts can block that signal. Let your diet deal with fat loss and also - if possible - get your EFA's from foods or a 1-a-day capsual or oil supplement. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 05:55:14pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
        
        I would go for the best Whey isolate protein (the ON one is good) and then an established fatty acid supplement such as Udo's oil. Be careful not to fall for the hype of these supplements companies; anyone with extensive experience in the world of bodybuilding etc will confirm - after many very expensive lessons, that 99% of supplements are absolute rubbish. There are probably only about 5 supplements I would recommend to clients out of the 1000's that are on the market. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 06:31:07pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
        
        OK, I've decided to go for ON Gold Standard Whey, ON Gold Standard Casein. I do intend to get most of my protein from food but I know in the early days I am going to struggle. I'm finding it hard to get the meals in me so it will be a useful way (whey?) to keep my protein levels high. (NT) -- Mick, Wednesday, February 22, 06:54:34pm (5ade0f2f.bb.sky.com/90.222.15.47)
        
        I think thats a good choice. Gold Standard is a nice protein. Just as food for thought, you don't have to bother with a casein protein unless you have specific reason for doing so. Most people go for the Casein because it takes longer to digest so provides a steady stream of aminos between meals. However, by simply adding a tablespoon of Olive oil or Udo's oil to your shakes, you will get the same effect without additional carbs or stomach discomfort from milk sugar. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 07:05:06pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
- Save your money. Consult any recent reserach literature regarding the benefits of protein-loading on training adaptations and the results are very very inconclusive. (NT) -- Ross, Wednesday, February 22, 05:43:03pm (cpc1-king10-2-0-cust427.perr.cable.virginmedia.com/77.98.17.172)
  - I guess its an issue of context. Mick isn't loading protein; he consuming the required amount for resistance training. But I appreciate that lots of people exceed the required levels in the belief they will gain faster or better, which simply isn't true. But there is a reason professional bodybuilders eat up to 500g's per day and the value of that macro intake is reflected in their considerable size. That can't be achieved without protein. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 06:15:52pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
    - I think it's safe to say that G is a bit of an expert on this subject, at least he sounds it to me (NT) -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 06:59:23pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
    - Hello G, this has been interesting reading and thanks for posting on this subject! Can I ask, are there any forums / websites that you'd recommend for general health/fitness advice? If the question is too general/vague then not to worry. Cheers. (NT) -- Dave, Wednesday, February 22, 08:26:25pm (117.150.104.212.access.eclipse.net.uk/212.104.150.117)
      - Hello Dave, I personally don’t use or look at any of them but the popular one with bodybuilding clients appears to be http://www.musculardevelopment.com/ Sorry I can’t be of any more help. (NT) -- G, Wednesday, February 22, 08:51:34pm (78-86-240-77.zone2.bethere.co.uk/78.86.240.77)
        
        Thanks for responding, and no problem. It's been interesting reading anyway. (NT) -- Dave, Wednesday, February 22, 09:04:55pm (117.150.104.212.access.eclipse.net.uk/212.104.150.117)
Rangers bought by an Italian Billionaire, Administrators trying to work out how to tell fans its the pope. -- D Block Dave, Wednesday, February 22, 03:03:52pm (host-92-25-8-228.as13285.net/92.25.8.228)

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- Ha. He would never pass the fit and proper persons test. (NT) -- MOTO!, Wednesday, February 22, 03:42:47pm (NoHost/193.30.108.33)
- Cant be him hes a Fulham fan (NT) -- --, Wednesday, February 22, 03:56:22pm (host86-180-82-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com/86.180.82.7)
  - That's the dead one. If this one supports anyone, it'll be SS Lazio or any team with black shirts (not away shirts, obviously). (NT) -- Maltese Steve, Wednesday, February 22, 04:20:40pm (NoHost/62.6.159.205)
- Why cant they be taken over by a dead pope? Rangers are a dead team and the Scottish League a dead league! (NT) -- Rollerball, Wednesday, February 22, 04:53:13pm (94-194-203-253.zone8.bethere.co.uk/94.194.203.253)
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8x_59EjZOs&feature=youtu.be (NT) -- fb, Wednesday, February 22, 08:46:50pm (cpc1-brig16-2-0-cust1003.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com/81.102.247.236)
Rugby -- Jamesy, Wednesday, February 22, 02:28:16pm (host81-149-252-216.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.252.216)
Why do so many people (especially on here) look to rugby fans as some kind of ideal and what football support should aspire to be like? Pretty much every time i've ever come across large groups of rugby fans they've been arrogant, loud mouthed, rude, drunken morons incapable of behaving in a reasonable fashion.

As long as it's a load of rosey cheeked public school "rugger buggers" getting loud and rowdy then it's all a bit of harmless fun.

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- Maybe its bacuase Rugby fans cab happily mix with the opposition without wanting to break their heads, or maybe its bacause Rugby fans have never had a riot, a Heysel, a Hillsborough, a cardiff, or becuase their fans dont talk about it "kicking off", or maybe because theuy never needed electric fences to keep the fans in, have never been banned from European competition after years of trouble abroad.... is that enough for you? (NT) -- Dave, Wednesday, February 22, 02:35:18pm (87-224-116-34.spitfireuk.net/87.224.116.34)
  - you obviously have never seen the famous papa new guinea rugby riot. ticketless thugs. (NT) -- tony mono brow, Wednesday, February 22, 02:40:25pm (93-186-31-80.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.31.80)
  - Getting trains back from Putney to Clapham Junction in the late 80s/early 90s, the trains were always packed with drunk rugby fans indulging in "banter". If it was football fans doing it, they would have been arrested. Rugby fans think they are a class above football fans, I think they are hypocritical bastards (NT) -- Wilson MacDonald, Wednesday, February 22, 06:45:58pm (host81-132-249-71.range81-132.btcentralplus.com/81.132.249.71)
- I pressune you have come across them after the game. You do realise both sets of fans sit next to each other and can also drink beer. You cant honestly believe football fans could do the same without mass brawls kicking off all round the ground (NT) -- Happy g, Wednesday, February 22, 02:35:37pm (vtmuk.opera-mini.net/195.189.143.222)
- I think it's mostly the segregation thing. I actually like segregation. I think it creates a better atmosphere than when it's all mixed in together. (NT) -- GBLB, Wednesday, February 22, 02:36:55pm (soho65-162.sohonet.co.uk/193.203.65.162)
  - Absolutely. Think football can take a lot from Rugby esp the respect shown towards officials but for me its a sport lacking any sort of edge, (NT) -- V, Wednesday, February 22, 02:46:48pm (NoHost/212.118.224.149)
  - I can't understand any football fan who would want to do away with segregation. Who would want to go to a Fulham v Chelsea match, conceed a last minute winner and have one of them jumping around next to you!?! (NT) -- Jamesy, Wednesday, February 22, 02:48:15pm (host81-149-252-216.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.252.216)
    - Whisper it quietly, but I find it quite an awe inspiring sight seeing a noisy band of away fans going mental in a corner of a stadium. Especially terraces. (NT) -- GBLB, Wednesday, February 22, 02:56:54pm (soho65-162.sohonet.co.uk/193.203.65.162)
  - As discussed on here from time to time....grounds were formerly both noisier and less segregated, but that doesn't really disprove your point since the demographic differed, habits differed and people mostly stood. Clocks can't turn back, but at least our own ground offers a degree of choice, which it would be a shame to lose. It's also good to support a club where (still) it's generally possible to have a friendly chat with ordinary Joe-type rival supporters before/after. I don't in general want to sit by them during the 90 mins though, agreed. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Wednesday, February 22, 02:54:54pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
  - Well, I've been to many non-league grounds where segregation was largely absent & found the atmosphere to be cracking. However, it only works where both sets of fans are prepared to tolerate the other lot celebrating cheek by jowl which seems an impossibility for many. (NT) -- Bexhill Beast, Wednesday, February 22, 03:16:08pm (host86-166-36-13.range86-166.btcentralplus.com/86.166.36.13)
    - Many enjoy the tribalism, the banter, the one stand singing at another etc. It doesn't have to have anything to do with violence or toleration. I just prefer/enjoy the way it is now. I've been to non league as well, used to go down to Maidenhead a bit, but never enjoyed it as much as a segregated ground. (NT) -- GBLB, Wednesday, February 22, 03:30:38pm (soho65-162.sohonet.co.uk/193.203.65.162)
      - Maidenhead? You can go off people, you know. (NT) -- Maltese Steve of Windsor FC, Wednesday, February 22, 04:23:40pm (NoHost/62.6.159.205)
- Until the last 15 years or so club rugby was something watched by ex players & club members and there was no competition. It's roots lie in public schools & the upper classes so never had the mass appeal of football to the great unwashed working classes. The two are completely uncomparable. Maybe a better comparison would be rugby league in the UK. And as a fairly local resident the wreckage of twickenham town centre after a international would get front page headlines on the red tops if it took place after a football match. There are fights and bad behaviour, it's just never reported. (NT) -- Two Ton Ted, Wednesday, February 22, 02:41:43pm (NoHost/195.193.203.188)
  - as a twickenham resident of some years i don't recognise your post match 'wreckage' claim. sure, rammed boozers, boisterous behaviour and plenty of litter but not widespread thuggery and general carnage (NT) -- Sfly, Wednesday, February 22, 02:49:36pm (NoHost/212.183.128.125)
    - I witnessed plenty of bad behaviour and damage caused by rugby fans after matches in Twickenham when I was growing up, often got as far as St Margarets and even Richmond but there have not been the inter-team style problems seen in football to my knowledge. Rugby Union just doesnt seem to be tribal in the way football does. Maybe its the background of the sport and most of its fans that they just go watch the game, see the violence on the pitch, get peed up afterwards, cause a bit a chaos in the area and then go back to their wealthy lives where money is more important than being a part of something tribal and earthy. (NT) -- --, Wednesday, February 22, 02:56:05pm (host86-180-82-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com/86.180.82.7)
      - I prefer to watch England at Twickenham than Wembley and have also seen them play in S Africa, Edinburgh, Dublin and France. I have had some of my best drinking days in and around rugby matches - I have seen many people fall down drunk but have never seen any violence or aggression in or around rugby matches. I like the feel good atmosphere at the rugby where the occassion is almost as important as the match. My only interest in football is Fulham and although I like the idea, in theory of no segregation - in reality and as the world is now - I prefer to be amoung our own kind to enjoy the Fulham experience. (NT) -- f bloke, Wednesday, February 22, 06:19:43pm (lon-dip-198-187.emailfiltering.com/194.116.198.187)
  - Rugby league has its fair share of crowd problems. (NT) -- Matt@Bletchley - Fulham Legend, Wednesday, February 22, 02:51:12pm (92.40.254.79.threembb.co.uk/92.40.254.79)
    - Vaguely remember a pitch invasion at Wigan - Hull (I think) a few years back. (NT) -- V, Wednesday, February 22, 03:16:58pm (NoHost/212.118.224.149)
  - Relatively fair observation TTT but only regarding top flight clubs in England and possibly (cos I dont know) Scotland. It certainly is not and never has been a toffs game in Wales. (NT) -- Justinian, Wednesday, February 22, 03:50:20pm (88-108-105-86.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com/88.108.105.86)
- the bar at Twickenham was specificly constructed so that it could be cleared easily should a mass brawl break out.........the big difference here is class most rugby fans tend to be white collar/middle class types + all the violence is on the pitch.....Football has allways attracted working class or dare i say it the underclass/criminal element ..a lot of gangs are formed from football.......not in the squeeky clean premiership anymore but certainly historicly...... (NT) -- chinners cumberland sausage, Wednesday, February 22, 02:59:12pm (host86-161-178-159.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.178.159)
- There is loads of violence and mayhem in Cardiff after a rugby international. Kept quiet by the press as they dont want it to damage the image of Rugby as Wales national sport. Its carnage afterwards Ive seen it a few times. (NT) -- DET, Wednesday, February 22, 05:35:23pm (customer16309.100.kt.cust.t-mobile.co.uk/178.100.63.180)
  - you keep coming out with this bollocks DET. Give it up. I'm from Aberavon and been to loads of internationals my niece has worked in pubs around St Mary's st for years. Figment of your imagination . (NT) -- monty, Wednesday, February 22, 06:49:31pm (host86-163-184-183.range86-163.btcentralplus.com/86.163.184.183)
    - Aberavon next to Swansea right? Must have good eyesight then. Not that its any of your business but Im from Barry and thats a tad closer to Cardiff and if you would care talking to any locals they will tell you the same thing. You arent local to the city centre in fact you are nigh on 40 miles away so frankly I couldnt give a toss what you think. Again Ive seen it after an international and on a normal Saturday night and it 10 times worse after the rugby. VCs everywhere. (NT) -- DET, Wednesday, February 22, 07:25:14pm (cpc16-haye16-2-0-cust871.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/77.101.227.104)
      - As I said, constant bollocks. 31 miles away but my little pal, who thinks that ALL the media are keeping things hush hush, i am big enough to have discovered how to travel 31 miles. You really are an idiot. (and for your info, Aberavon 'next ' to swansea is 10 miles from swansea - geography lesson over) (NT) -- monty, Wednesday, February 22, 10:27:42pm (host86-163-184-183.range86-163.btcentralplus.com/86.163.184.183)
- The inverted snobs on here make me laugh! Rugby might well have been a public school game in the 50s but since then its become far more widespread. The reason for less crowd violece is two-fold: Less partisan support of teams and the 'legalised' violence on the pitch! (NT) -- Rollerball, Wednesday, February 22, 08:03:26pm (host-78-144-73-214.as13285.net/78.144.73.214)
  - Bollocks, loads of on th epitch punch us at rugby (NT) -- HE, Wednesday, February 22, 11:59:30pm (cpc10-pmth9-2-0-cust283.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com/82.2.59.28)
NFR Industrial workplacement. -- Tomo, Wednesday, February 22, 02:19:20pm (nat1.chi.ac.uk/194.66.216.41)
I know a lot of lads here have either been or are at University and some own their own companies. I'm a student currently in my 2nd year studying a Business and Marketing degree and I’m looking for an industrial placement in a company preferably marketing. I've been applying since October to mainly competitive organisations with 1000+ applicants. I'm currently at The University of Chichester but I was hoping to re-locate back to London for the year. It has to be a paid internship which eliminates all Charity's does anyone know any organisations / websites or perhaps you have a company yourself and are interested in recruiting a placement student e-mail is inside if you wish to contact.

Any help would be appreciated

COYW's.

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- Re: NFR Industrial workplacement. -- Mike C (Chantry), Wednesday, February 22, 02:41:24pm (hilite1.gotadsl.co.uk/62.3.230.38)
- Re: NFR Industrial workplacement. Send me your cv at mike@hilitedms.co.uk (NT) -- Mike C (Chantry), Wednesday, February 22, 02:43:15pm (hilite1.gotadsl.co.uk/62.3.230.38)
- E-mail sent mate, cheers. (NT) -- Tomo, Wednesday, February 22, 03:11:24pm (93-186-31-81.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.31.81)
- Chichester Uni lol (NT) -- :-), Wednesday, February 22, 05:07:37pm (02dc186c.bb.sky.com/2.220.24.108)
- I did the same course as you at Greenwich. Graduated summer just gone. I tried to do a sandwich course and sent out 100s of applications and didn't even get a reply saying sorry we aren't taking you. It's going to be hard to find a place, even more so now, so good luck to you! I know it sounds a bit strange but pubs can be very good place to work with this course. I'm now an assistant manager of a pub and am using everything learnt at uni. (NT) -- Kyle, Wednesday, February 22, 05:29:13pm (host86-162-178-127.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.178.127)
- @Kyle, I applied to many different companies I got through to a few telephone interviews but the places I was applying to had 1000's of applications and couldn't even offer me feedback. I thought asking on here would be a good idea, I appreciate your comment Kyle i'm an assistant manager at a betting shop and i'm using some basic skills such as accounting and such but nothing major. I think the chance to have an industrial placement would boost my CV compared to other graduates so lets hope I find something. (NT) -- Tomo, Wednesday, February 22, 06:11:59pm (host86-135-54-83.range86-135.btcentralplus.com/86.135.54.83)
  - No doubt mate. Wish you all the best of luck finding a place and for your last year (NT) -- Kyle, Wednesday, February 22, 08:51:36pm (host86-162-178-127.range86-162.btcentralplus.com/86.162.178.127)
- Paid internships are becoming more difficult to come by especially in the marketing/technology arenas because you spend half the internship training the intern, and paying them the equivalent of £20k a year and after 6 months you realise that you have nothing to hang your hat on in terms of value so you sack them and employ someone on a proper salary who has the skills to do the job and they pay for themselves making most employers realise the intern was a false economy. Sorry gents but thats the truth (NT) -- Pickn (Pogrebnyak fan club member #1), Wednesday, February 22, 07:12:07pm (cpc4-haye18-2-0-cust745.haye.cable.virginmedia.com/94.175.134.234)
Ive heard it all now -- Ledge 245, Wednesday, February 22, 01:54:47pm (host-92-26-7-170.as13285.net/92.26.7.170)
Just been on the qpr site

they have a poster called
SLEEPING GIANTS

Just go to show how deluded your average bitter is....

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- Cracks me up , they think they are a super firm ... Killed some old boy steward at villa .. That's about it (NT) -- Old fulham boy, Wednesday, February 22, 03:27:30pm (host31-52-85-61.range31-52.btcentralplus.com/31.52.85.61)
- should be Sheeping Giants (NT) -- WMacD, Wednesday, February 22, 06:47:23pm (host81-132-249-71.range81-132.btcentralplus.com/81.132.249.71)
Asians at Football -- gj, Wednesday, February 22, 01:44:51pm (host86-140-16-0.range86-140.btcentralplus.com/86.140.16.0)
This is not a thread intended to be inflammatory and please don’t hijack it as such.
I’ve just seemed to notice that Liverpool seem to be the club of choice for many Indians. I assume it’s down to the timing of their success in the 70’s. Seems about 80% of Indians I know support them. There does seem to be a lot more browner faces at football on tv, which is great.
It can’t be long before an Englishman of Asian descent breaks into the England side. Long overdue. I remember playing as a youth and there used to be separate Asian/Indian leagues but I think that’s now changing. My son’s 11 year old team has 2 Italians, an Indian, Latvian and an Afghani.

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- England is a nation of shopkeepers......Napoleon Boniparte..............Blimey whats Pakistan then ? Seriously folks Asians dont play football or even go to football matches in anywhere near high enough proportions to produce enough players to produce pro footballers........if they say they support a football team its usually Man Utd/Liverpool the usual suspects..............Why do a disproportionate amount of London blacks support either Spurs or Arsenal ? (NT) -- chinners pc thoughts, Wednesday, February 22, 02:07:28pm (host86-161-178-159.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.178.159)
  - I always wondered the same thing. I always talk to cab drivers, and when they're of theb asian persuasion, I guiess that they upport one of those two and they always seem amazed that I would know! (NT) -- PC Brigade, Wednesday, February 22, 02:12:58pm (NoHost/217.138.13.230)
- Large percentage of Asian football supporters round here go for Arsenal. I recall when my lad played that there was a growing number of young Asian players every year in youth football so I guess at some time we will see a few break into the pro game although I seem to recall reading that there is a lack of acceptance of playing the sport within their own communities. That will change with each generation becoming more Anglicised. (NT) -- --, Wednesday, February 22, 02:22:11pm (host86-180-82-7.range86-180.btcentralplus.com/86.180.82.7)
- You can't be an Englishman of Indian descent mate, sorry. Like saying you can be a Pashtun of German descent. Just doesn't work. You can be a Briton of Indian descent however. (NT) -- bob125, Wednesday, February 22, 02:26:18pm (93-186-23-81.rdns.blackberry.net/93.186.23.81)
  - Please the English, along with the Yanks are the Mongrels of the World. The most mixed country on the planet (NT) -- Belfast White, Wednesday, February 22, 02:44:10pm (NoHost/167.127.218.63)
    - If someone defines themselves as proud Pakistanis who have wangled a uk passport for economic advantage,and frankly hates the non-muslim population(see the latest survey of attitudes in various european countries of mslims to non -muslims and vice-versa),why should we regard them differently. (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, February 22, 05:30:06pm (nat69.mia.three.co.uk/217.171.129.69)
- Genuinely not trying to be controversial etc, but has anyone considered that Asian's might just not be very good at football. Same way you very rarely see a black swimming champion or white 100 metre champion? (NT) -- Jamesy, Wednesday, February 22, 02:30:34pm (host81-149-252-216.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.149.252.216)
  - Not true. I play 7 a side. The pitches are in an asian area and you come up against many all asian teams and some of the skills are fantastic. I think the issue may be in getting them to trials etc for clubs as this has not been seen as a career move. I think that is changing though (NT) -- gj, Wednesday, February 22, 02:51:48pm (host86-140-16-0.range86-140.btcentralplus.com/86.140.16.0)
    - That sounds much more likely (i.e. that it's cultural). Some cultural disinclinations erode after a generation or two, some don't. Pro football being as potentially lucrative as it is, you'd expect it to be in the erode category, but it'll take a while longer to know. In turn, buy-in is required by the football industry and in practice all shades of pleasance and unpleasantness will be out there on the training pitches. If there's real talent, not too many scouts and clubs will to want to pass up on it for skin-pigmentation reasons, you'd have to reckon. (NT) -- b+w geezer, Wednesday, February 22, 03:20:37pm (213-162-109-12.peterh531.adsl.metronet.co.uk/213.162.109.12)
    - Grew up in Slough and you'd get very good skilled players, but often their technique and build would let them down. I knew i could wait for them to miscontrol it, or knock them off the ball quite easily. Each race has their own physical differences as we've evolved over time to suit our surroundings and I guess it's a fall back to that. (NT) -- Mtch, Wednesday, February 22, 05:23:13pm (NoHost/82.108.227.114)
- One of the most boring threads ever (NT) -- Old Fulham boy, Wednesday, February 22, 03:29:03pm (host31-52-85-61.range31-52.btcentralplus.com/31.52.85.61)
- I noticed the trend after they signed David James myself. (NT) -- Golden, Wednesday, February 22, 04:06:26pm (lon-dip-199-187.emailfiltering.com/194.116.199.187)
- If they come from other parts of England they're still 'glory hunters'! (NT) -- Rollerball, Wednesday, February 22, 04:43:11pm (94-194-203-253.zone8.bethere.co.uk/94.194.203.253)
- Absolute rubbish! The English were created from the Normans, Celts, Saxons, Vikings, Angles, Jutes etc. However since then who has mongrelised the English? Some Irish migration sure, and possibly the Huguenots. Like it or not English is a nationality with far deeper roots than is liked to be made out. (NT) -- bob123, Wednesday, February 22, 05:19:03pm (5acfde92.bb.sky.com/90.207.222.146)
- I was told by an Indian girl at work that in his teens her brother was outstanding in football and could have turned professional. However their parents called a halt to it as anything except a hobby as they said it wasn't the done thing in 'their community' to actually earn money from sport rather than have a serious job - doctor, lawyer etc. If that is a general attitude and not just an exception, it must be difficult to go ahead without the support of your family.. (NT) -- C, Wednesday, February 22, 06:46:37pm (host86-168-46-12.range86-168.btcentralplus.com/86.168.46.12)
Bit of a tangent -- gj, Wednesday, February 22, 01:05:37pm (host86-140-16-0.range86-140.btcentralplus.com/86.140.16.0)
Do you remember about ten years ago when the most popular song at football matches was ......"Here we go, here we go, here go"?
It seemed to last for about three years and then, I assume people realized what a ridiculous chant it was and it died.

I don't remember but I do hope I didn't sing it. Actually, now I think about it, it's the same tune to what we may be singing on Saturday..."Going down, going down, going down ....repeat to fade.

Whilst I'm on the subject of annoying songs..That bloody Liverpool song, really grates on me. The old weary old groany old woe Fields of anfield something or other

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- 10 years ago? Try at least 25 years ago! (NT) -- FFCFC, Wednesday, February 22, 01:10:32pm (cpc12-nmal18-2-0-cust115.croy.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.8.116)
  - surely not??? (NT) -- gj, Wednesday, February 22, 01:10:52pm (host86-140-16-0.range86-140.btcentralplus.com/86.140.16.0)
- "Fields of Anfield Road"...based on "Fields of Athenry"? I went to a couple of London Irish games a few years back and Fields of Athenry is their club anthem. They don't seem to stop singing or playing it. Ever. I'd be perfectly happy never to hear that bloody song again (NT) -- The Doctor, Wednesday, February 22, 01:11:08pm (NoHost/192.171.156.34)
- the worse song and it makes me cringe, is when fans chant martin gives us a wave, if i was manager i would put two fingers up (NT) -- 1879, Wednesday, February 22, 01:12:37pm (87.114.181.16.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net/87.114.181.16)
- "The Fields of Athenry" - actually a poignant and rather beautiful Irish song (Athenry is near Galway). Adopted by Celtic fans, hijacked by Liverpool, (NT) -- Tony Wolf, Wednesday, February 22, 01:14:07pm (cpc3-nmal18-2-0-cust575.croy.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.6.64)
- here we go .....i can remember that being sung by 18-30 holiday types in Ibiza in about 1985..........Maybe its about time it came back in a retro way like......as they say there is nothing NEW in the world...every generation thinks it invented everything sex,drugs,rock n roll etc (NT) -- chinners trouser snake, Wednesday, February 22, 01:14:19pm (host86-161-178-159.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.178.159)
- "the fields of Athenry" is a Irish republican protest song, a favourite of Irish clubs/pubs etc.......the Hibernian club in Fulham allways played it.......its a standard for Irish folk groups...here we go "it was beyond the prison walls...."..no Englishman of course should go anywhere near it because of its anti British sentaments... (NT) -- chinners x factor, Wednesday, February 22, 01:18:58pm (host86-161-178-159.range86-161.btcentralplus.com/86.161.178.159)
  - republican song my arse...... (NT) -- odriscoll on the wing, Wednesday, February 22, 03:06:38pm (NoHost/62.40.34.218)
- Evertons cup final song from 84 or 85 wasnt it? (NT) -- DelBoy, Wednesday, February 22, 01:24:01pm (NoHost/89.202.219.50)
- Fabulous poignant song written by Pete St John (also listen to 'Dublin in the Rare Old Times'-another absolute gem)- it's not a republican protest song per se. It harks back to the Irish Famine mid 1840s where starving people who stole 'landlords' corn were transhipped to Oz as convicts....and returned as either brilliant keepers or very poor wingers (NT) -- JimO'G, Wednesday, February 22, 01:30:44pm (86-41-104-114-dynamic.b-ras2.lmk.limerick.eircom.net/86.41.104.114)
  - Lol, I suspect both Mark and Ahmad ancestors were more likely to be refugees from the Great German potato famine. (NT) -- fetid, Wednesday, February 22, 01:48:28pm (host81-134-20-111.in-addr.btopenworld.com/81.134.20.111)
  - Great version by Paddy Reiily on You Tube. Spancil Hill by Reilly is even better. (NT) -- HemelRog, Wednesday, February 22, 02:10:27pm (5e0cfe48.bb.sky.com/94.12.254.72)
- Some misconceptions here. Fields of Athenry is a song about the Famine - read the lyrics. It is a lament rather than a song or rebellion. Only one team can truly claim it to be their song and that is Munster rugby. Celtic, London Irish and Liverpool are all wannabee tubes (NT) -- Belfast white, Wednesday, February 22, 02:26:09pm (NoHost/167.127.218.63)
  - I'd have thought that Connacht rugby had first claims, as Athenry is in Co. Galway (NT) -- Paidraig the Pedant, Wednesday, February 22, 02:37:25pm (cpc3-nmal18-2-0-cust575.croy.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.6.64)
    - It is but they dont sing it (NT) -- Belfast white, Wednesday, February 22, 02:42:15pm (NoHost/167.127.218.63)
      - ...they were singing it last time I was at The Sportsground...or was it "Dublin In The Green"?...or maybe it was "The Sash"...I must admit to having had a few stouts.s (NT) -- Paidraig the Pissed, Wednesday, February 22, 03:12:39pm (cpc3-nmal18-2-0-cust575.croy.cable.virginmedia.com/94.174.6.64)
  - It's Munster's song? FFS! My housemate supports them...might have to hide all his Munster DVDs so I don't have to hear that bloody song again anytime soon. In it's own right, I've nothing against the song. It's just that I first heard it at those London Irish games and I will forever associate it with that overwhelming spectacle of Irish cliches. (NT) -- The Doctor, Wednesday, February 22, 02:39:06pm (NoHost/192.171.156.34)
- Ing-ger-lund, Ing-ger-lund, Ing-ger-lund etc etc........... (NT) -- WMacD, Wednesday, February 22, 06:49:34pm (host81-132-249-71.range81-132.btcentralplus.com/81.132.249.71)
Les Barrett -- Coulio, Tuesday, February 21, 11:37:59pm (NoHost/212.183.128.93)
Currently on train to Colchester from Bury St Edmunds having been to Bury Town tonight. A gaunt fellar in a beanie got on the stop after Bury and sat opposite me and my friend. He overheard our football chat and attempted to join in our conversation. Eventually he told me that he used to play for Fulham. I asked him who he was and he reluctantly said, Les Barrett. Now he was a couple of years before I first went (1979), but I was aware of his face from books. He didn't look remotely like him, but was confidently name dropping and waxing lyrical about dressing room capers and Tommy Trinder. Maybe it was him, but all seems a bit bizarre.

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- From what I know about Les is he's pretty shy and retiring and he is nort always comfortable around 'soccer-mad' Fulhamites unless they have been introduced or really know their stuff from his era 66 - 76. Strange as he is from the Surrey / South West London borders why he would be going there (and on a train). I doubt if Les would jump intop a conversation with strangers. Did you take photos on your I phone? (NT) -- KC Jones, Tuesday, February 21, 11:51:51pm (host86-182-14-192.range86-182.btcentralplus.com/86.182.14.192)
- Re: Les Barrett -- Coulio, Wednesday, February 22, 12:15:09am (NoHost/176.24.241.176)
  - Les played a few games for Millwall after leaving Fulham, but certainly not Orient, I can't remember a Barrett ever playing for Orient - no trouble! (NT) -- KC Jones, Wednesday, February 22, 08:11:34am (host86-173-254-121.range86-173.btcentralplus.com/86.173.254.121)
    - WHY can't a former Fulham player be on a train ? (NT) -- alanos, Wednesday, February 22, 12:49:21pm (87-194-122-68.bethere.co.uk/87.194.122.68)
- I was having a round of golf over Sunbury a few months back with a mate. We decided to let the fella behind us play through and it turned out to be Les Barrett I didn't recognise him until he started talking to me about FFC. [I was wearing an FFC jacket]. Lovely geezer. (NT) -- S,,, Wednesday, February 22, 01:11:35am (5e00d707.bb.sky.com/94.0.215.7)
- How strange! About 3 years ago I was down an alleyway getting noshed off by a local gay, when all of a sudden I looked up to see a cheeky old fella stood there giving his snake a good outing. After the initial shock I was suprised to find it was none other than... Les Barrett. (NT) -- salacious crumb, Wednesday, February 22, 02:14:29am (pinter.mrochek.com/66.59.230.42)
- Coulio, it would bea bizarre thing to claim to be the lesser spotted Barrett if you weren't I am going with it was him (NT) -- Pickn, Wednesday, February 22, 08:22:28am (NoHost/188.66.72.126)
- Who can forget the day out at Carlisle in 1975 cup run.Les scoring the goal in a1-0 win.Great journey home (NT) -- ffcne, Wednesday, February 22, 08:28:52am (host86-177-180-158.range86-177.btcentralplus.com/86.177.180.158)
- Think he must've been the rarer Suffolk Les Barrett species. Certainly couldn't imagine this version playing golf... when sober! (NT) -- coulio, Wednesday, February 22, 10:22:33am (host86-164-117-219.range86-164.btcentralplus.com/86.164.117.219)
- Maybe it was Paul Barrett? (NT) -- -, Wednesday, February 22, 10:34:11am (adsl-220.cust.atlas.net.uk/195.54.229.220)
  - Paul Barrett didn't make a first team appearance for anybody! (NT) -- KC Jones, Wednesday, February 22, 11:22:07am (host86-173-254-121.range86-173.btcentralplus.com/86.173.254.121)
    - Well if you count the duet with Les on "Julie Brown" he did and no I wasn't one of the reuted 11 people who bought it (NT) -- PRW, Wednesday, February 22, 11:50:54am (NoHost/193.133.138.40)
- Yes that was probably the worst pop song ever recorded( Even worse than 'I Remember Natalie' by Bob Monkhouse!) (NT) -- Rollerball, Wednesday, February 22, 04:57:59pm (94-194-203-253.zone8.bethere.co.uk/94.194.203.253)

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