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• Re: This is really Sad -- Regine, 20:22:46 03/12/01 Mon
  • What are you basing this on...that promo? One 5 second promo? (NT) -- Yikes, 20:34:10 03/12/01 Mon
  • No, I am basing this on the past several months that Todd has been with Blair. Outside the wedding, this story has been absolutely pathetic. (NT) -- Regine, 20:36:51 03/12/01 Mon
    • Regine... I will only say that the list of those who ARE "jumping ship" are growing by the day, I think that's kinda obvious from some of the postings we see on the boards now. Of course, I jumped ship long time ago and I'm glad I did since I can tell from reading the boards this hasn't gotten ANY better than when I was still watching it... (NT) -- jackie, 20:57:28 03/12/01 Mon

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• To be honest, other parts of the show have gotten better. The situation Todd is in hasn't though. Although my complaint was further fueled by the promo, which I cannot see as a good thing, but it is not the whole reason I hate this story. As I said, Todd is better than this and this story is far too idiotic to go on much longer. (NT) -- Regine, 22:14:35 03/12/01 Mon
  • Regine, for about 2 weeks I agreed other parts of OLTL improved a lot under GT but most of last week & today JMHO I found poorly scripted, acted & lacking any intensity. I should have had shivers w/Colin & Nora & didn't. I'm so tired of victimization of Nora, I can't begin to write about it. (NT) -- Pilar, 23:56:25 03/12/01 Mon
    • Oh, and I do like Jen & Cris, enjoy their chemistry & talk, I don't FF or heave during their scenes. (NT) -- Pilar, 00:01:30 03/13/01 Tue
    • ITA but you have to admit that dinner party Colin had really was almost as entertaining as Todd's "wedding". When Colin called Will "Skippy" I fell on the floor. (NT) -- Regine, 00:05:31 03/13/01 Tue
      • Sorry, Regine, don't have to admit anything, I found Colin's dinner dreadful dissappointment. I was all set for another "showtime" even taped episode thinking wowsa, here it comes at last, and nada, zilch, biggest waste of airtime. IOW, JMHO huge flop! (NT) -- Pilar, 00:39:18 03/13/01 Tue
        • I watched OLTL for decades MINUS Todd, managed to care for many other characters over the years especially Viki. I CAN ENJOY OTHER non-Todd stories if written well. Heck, in 95 T&B scenes bored me silly BUT I had T&V, TnM, Viki's DID & B&N's wild & funny romance to sustain my OLTL interest. I was getting into Colin when TT was playing him menacing, edgey & unpredictable. Now Colin's become just another pathetic cartoon villain & I say kill HIM already.JMHO! (NT) -- Pilar, 00:46:46 03/13/01 Tue
          • Like I said below OLTL writing shows signs of DID, no clear vision, Jillification & McHacking was more than GT can fix overight I get that. Alas, he gave me a taste in 2 weeks of really well-scripted OLTL & lifted up my expectations, now they are back in the toilet again. (NT) -- Pilar, 00:48:50 03/13/01 Tue
            • Ditto Pilar ~ I was really getting my hopes up and luving what I was seeing. With Colin, I was all prepared for even more long dead secrets to come out .. what a letdown :( I've yet to see the tape from Mon. and with the spoilers to come of Todd .. I find myself agreeing with PG on MD and that's really a twist! This isn't the Todd I want to see. But I will continue to tape and see if perhaps LB and CW can turn the writing around. I still miss my all time fav show. (NT) -- Patti, 10:26:52 03/13/01 Tue
              • Hi Patti, sad thing I find OLTL more unbearable for having gotten that short taste of really good writing & acting. It felt like show HAD turned the tide but SLAM back to where we started last year, crap. Really only scenes I can last thru are Jen & Cris, probably cause remind me of early Jess & Cris, that friendship & support thing I loved about them before trashed by Swill.. (NT) -- Pilar, 10:32:16 03/14/01 Wed

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• Regine..Please don’t jump ship, just yet. Click inside for my counter offer and my reasons for saying this promo is a good thing. The USS SSSOB isn’t going to be an SSSOB for much longer, so here’s why I think you (and others) should still stick around! Did you even notice my icon has shades in honor of the MAN! -- Carol, 23:27:40 03/12/01 Mon
  • Dude, you kill me :) Although, apparently, I don't have your optimism, it is because of your very convincing post I will make an attempt to stick with it. LOL. I still want to say that I was there when the magic returns, but they better do some major reconstruction for me to stick around and do it fast. (NT) -- Regine, 23:58:49 03/12/01 Mon
  • Nice post, Carol, but you already know it's like water off a duck's back with moi.. I see no reason to HAVE to sit thru this cr@p in order to be here front & center if/when Téa makes a reappearance, as all it takes is 5 minutes to reprogram the vcr... happy watching to those of you who WANT to endure this, but I will simply have to "come back" for Téa and TnT. (NT) -- jackie, 00:14:54 03/13/01 Tue
  • Hi Carol, JMHO, 1) OLTL HAD a better texture for 2 wks, now back to same old crap last & this week, VERY discouraging 2) Promo reminded me of typical B&M innane plots strictly played for laughs, w/their phsyical, silly comic relief stunts which KdP & JdP so enjoy. Alas, GT added Todd for a “Three Stooges” parody. Oy ve! Todd SHOULD evoke chills or heartwrenching response, not embarassed wincing for the carciature he’s painted. (NT) -- Pilar, 01:02:32 03/13/01 Tue
    • 3) As for Max, ITA, he's NOT out of Blair's life by a long shot. GT brought him BACK into T&B story, had Skye dump him, for a purpose. Again, ITA, Blair could FAKE insanity in her cell or w/other means NOT needing to seek out Max. She’s obsessed w/Max, whether it’s hating him or loving him, it’s still passionate obsession that leads HER to seek HIM out. (NT) -- Pilar, 01:06:23 03/13/01 Tue
      • 4) As a Roger fan, I can gush over him in shades, good promo shot for actor, lousy look for Todd. 5) I haven't a clue where ANY story is headed & doubt anyone can make reliable predictions w/GT changes AND new hwers now on board. I just believe GT should look at WHAT earned critical acclaim & ratings spike, Hell NO week, & deliver THAT Todd, that kind of intense writing & not silly & absurd "stunts." (NT) -- Pilar, 01:09:57 03/13/01 Tue
        • Yes, it sure does seem to say something when Blair's first move is to go kiss Max. Cheating on her OTS again already. She's always got an excuse for that doesn't she. (NT) -- Elisa, 12:00:41 03/13/01 Tue
          • Elisa, ITA... that was the first thing I thought of when I heard about the promo. (NT) -- LindaB, 15:45:51 03/13/01 Tue
            • LMAO, Elisa, OTS? Oh sh!t there goes my keyboard! LOL! Good one! (NT) -- Pilar, 10:18:41 03/14/01 Wed
              • Well, Pilar, if we've got an OTD, we need an OTS to go with her:) (NT) -- Elisa, 11:55:12 03/14/01 Wed

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• Regine! I'm going to have to answer you like you're Todd and I'm Viki! LOL. Now, I don't mind the optimism part, but the DUDE part MUST go! LMAO! I'm a lot of things and I've been called a lot of things, but DUDE ain't one of them! But I'm glad you read and were moved to stick around. Wait. That doesn't make sense either! LOL! Not much of this show does, but we'll get through it! I promise! IT WILL HAPPEN! (NT) -- Carol, 00:15:09 03/13/01 Tue
  • Let me respond like you are Tea and I'm still Todd (this is fun). For an apology "you want me on my knees[again] for this." LOL. Alright. I'm going to hold out. I waited 15 months and 8 days for Todd and I GUESS I can wait that long for Tea. It won't be easy. (NT) -- Regine, 00:29:43 03/13/01 Tue

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• Hey Pilar! I just had to say something. I believe the charm and appeal (for me of course) of Todd is his ability to be so incredibly multi-layered. Now I just admitted above that I loved the charater Pete, which I believe we saw glimpses of before August 1998! I'm going to be prolific again...I can feel it....click inside at your own risk! -- Carol, 01:30:54 03/13/01 Tue
  • Carol, like I said in my definition of Toddaholic, there is no blueprint for what constitutes RealTodd, just be true to your OWN vision of him, if this story/promo works for YOUR vision, cool, but not mine. Sure, Todd can make me laugh probably as much as Luke can, yet I prefer BOTH written darkly sarcastic not cartoonish. (NT) -- Pilar, 02:49:20 03/13/01 Tue
    • JMHO, this promo/plot w/SPDS galore reeks of exploiting Todd’s GREATER popularity to PROP up another round of B&M’s hairbrained scenes, complete w/physical comedy & dreadful overacting. It’s another BAD parady of “Three Stooges” skit starring B&M as 2 shallow, silly, comedian wannabes & Todd as third “stooge.” It incences me TIIC take a raw, intense character like Todd w/tons of depth & drag him into the mud to wallow w/shallow trash like B&M. Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. (NT) -- Pilar, 03:09:59 03/13/01 Tue
      • Just like ES' Viki was trashed to support MD's Ben, HBS’ Nora was trashed to support KB’s Sam, TIIC continue that “pattern” w/Roger's Todd repeatedly trashed to prop up KdP's Blair & JdP's Max. Max continually looks like a brain surgeon next to former master manipulator Todd, why is that? Todd used to outsmart Max w/out blinking, had the last laugh but no more! That graveyard scene made me hurl cause it was all about JdP's Max not Todd. (NT) -- Pilar, 03:18:22 03/13/01 Tue
        • It’s no secret Kassie’s acting tends to go way south around JdP, & Blair’s character takes a beating during B&M. Voila, Roger to the rescue, his mission inspire KdP to better acting AND salvage her failing, shallow character! Poor Roger, stuck trying to sell THIS new & improved triangle version of B&Misery. Oh sure, B&M are in “hate rather than love cycle” of their endless wargames but they are still obsessed w/each other w/Todd stuck paying the price this time not Skye. (NT) -- Pilar, 03:29:00 03/13/01 Tue
        • It’s no secret Kassie’s acting tends to go way south around JdP, & Blair’s character takes a beating during B&M. Voila, Roger to the rescue, his mission inspire KdP to better acting AND salvage her failing, shallow character! Poor Roger, stuck trying to sell THIS new & improved triangle version of B&Misery. Oh sure, B&M are in “hate rather than love cycle” of their endless wargames but they are still obsessed w/each other w/Todd stuck paying the price this time not Skye. (NT) -- Pilar, 03:32:06 03/13/01 Tue
          • I can foresee more endless revenge plots w/B swearing to get back at Max, & vice versa and Todd stuck in the middle. Oh joy... (NT) -- Pilar, 03:34:12 03/13/01 Tue
    • I like Todd's one-liners and sarcastic remarks too, and that's a HUGE part of Todd's character, but what I don't enjoy is the silly behavior, which wasn't part of Todd's character in past incarnations. I'm not saying he hasn't made some bad choices, which some would consider silly or stupid, such as blowing up the Armitage yacht and the dynamite hostage thing, but that stuff was definitely not shown in a way that was comedic. It was dark, angry, and desperate, not written for laughs. (NT) -- Elisa, 14:56:56 03/13/01 Tue