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Elisa, the writing has been highly inconsistent ITA... however, Blair continually gets painted as unable or unwilling to accept a lick of responsibility or show any remorse for her lies/betrayals. Just like I don't buy Gina's spin/lies, I don't have to buy the crap that issues from Blair's mouth. Blair is NOT a voice of truth on this show, never has been. (NT) -- Pilar, 15:05:48 03/17/01 Sat
Elisa, I take ANY of “vocal online minority” spins w/a HUGE grain of salt especially after hearing they were lauding Kassie as an Emmy worthy actress! MAJORITY out there sure doesn’t think so, including her peers, as she’s never once been nominated! LOL! “LindaBlair” act was way over the top example of Kassie not understanding the word “subtle is better.” My point is I’ve learned talking to offliners that “online soap community” doesn’t always well-represent majority! (NT) -- Pilar, 09:41:45 03/18/01 Sun
ITA Pilar and Elisa. And Elisa ... sigh ... what a depressing thought - but I think you're right. The pattern of the B blaming Todd for HER crap is classic BnT which aggravates me. I blame the writers for showing this and not "dealing with it," for making Todd blind to it. People keep talking about the BnT "journey" to each other - but I don't see any such thing. I only see two squares trying to fit into the It's all about conclusion ... (NT) -- Cabbie Esq, 17:00:06 03/17/01 Sat
oops ... I see two squares trying to force themselves into a "circle" called "love" and "family". I don't see anything but the conclusion of what SHOULD be some kind of journey THROUGH something - but, nope. It's "we belong together" ... "he LOVES me" ... "she WANTS me" ... "we want each other." There is nothing explaining how they got from contempt ("sexually repressed psychopath" and "pathetic clingy ex-wife") to ... THIS. (NT) -- Cabbie Esq, 17:09:09 03/17/01 Sat
..(cont.) There is nothing explaining why Todd is willing to accept someone who really doesn't care about HIM - who uses him - who never even asks him about HIM. I haven't heard her ONCE ask, "Where've you been, Todd, all this time? What's going on with YOU? Why are you acting SO damn out of character? (VBG)" But really - even the night of the Peculiar, did Blair ask Todd, "Was it good for you too?" I don't remember - and I don't think she did. Basically, she could care less. (NT) -- Cabbie Esq, 17:13:19 03/17/01 Sat
Don't be sorry, Elisa, for calling a spade a spade, after all Malone set up Blair as “bad” one in original T&B relationship to "victimize" Todd as means to further redeem him. Malone wrote Blair repeatedly taking advantage of a VERY vulnerable Todd, who “sucked” up HER abuse until he snapped & retaliated. (NT) -- Pilar, 09:55:32 03/18/01 Sun
ITA, it’s a vicious cycle but it goes from Max to Blair to Todd. Max emotionally abuses Blair, leaves her self-esteem in tatters but Max refuses in turn to be Blair’s victim, no matter how hard she tries to HURT him back, including attempted murder, she can’t seem to DAMAGE Max so she seeks out someone she CAN hurt, Todd. (NT) -- Pilar, 10:07:10 03/18/01 Sun
In EACH BnT story, Todd’s self-esteem takes a major beating, damaging him further but why is that? Because a person typically becomes an abuser out of a desperate NEED to boost their own poor self-esteem by tearing down another’s! Blair derides Todd, places ALL blame for their failed relationships on him/his problems b/c she can’t look in the mirror & admit her own litany of faults… that would be admitting her image of herself is probably as bad as Todd’s of himself. (NT) -- Pilar, 10:20:02 03/18/01 Sun
Elisa, bringing thread out since it was getting hard to read... yes, repeatedly Blair attempts & fails to strike back at Max. He's like Teflon & it drives her nuts, literally. Max's self-esteem just never submits to her abuse like Todd's does. You know Blair always needed for Todd to win "most pathetic contest" to boost her own dreadfully low self-esteem. She's in deep denial of her problems & what a bad person she truly has become. At least, Todd is capable of acknowledging he's very damaged. (NT) -- Pilar, 17:17:50 03/18/01 Sun
Sad part is Todd is being lumped w/two terrible shallow excuses for characters rather than given a story worthy of his own deeper/damaged psyche. He's the juicy meat, sandwiched between two shallow slices of rotten bread that wrecks entire taste if you get my drift. The meat gets tainted by rotten outside. (NT) -- Pilar, 17:33:23 03/18/01 Sun
I was happy when I first saw the spoiler, Jules, but then I saw the one for the following week about Blair proving how far she'll go to save Todd. I think she's going to be forgiving Todd pretty quickly. I think I've just reached my limit. I'm tired of Todd doing nothing but trying to cover Blair's stupid butt. When I hear that FL is returning, I'll tune back in. Until then, I think I'll just read the recaps. (NT) -- TNTLurker, 14:53:40 03/17/01 Sat
Don't know why, but I found myself laughing hysterically when I read this. This isn't Todd Manning, this is Mighty Mouse! It's so freaking SOAPIER THAN SOAP meladramtic. If you're a tnb fan, ya just have to be in hog heaven about now. Will their hair be blowing in the wind? What music will they play to accompany the drama, the intrique ,the love?! Sorry, but this Todd can just keep on holding the B's hand and keep em off Tea...OopS! I forgot that THAT was never a problem was it? (NT) -- Mija, 17:23:54 03/17/01 Sat
Pam, what RH was really trying to say all those years ago was that he didn't want to be seen as a romantic hero "UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE", and I guess further notice is here. (NT) -- Mija, 08:51:24 03/18/01 Sun
Funny, I don't recall any TNT fans slamming RH's ethics when Todd was being *romantic* with Tea. What a double standard! (NT) -- Todd Firster, 10:21:53 03/18/01 Sun
"Romantic hero" - as in white knight rushing to save his damsel in distress I presume you meant, Mija? RH has played "romantic" yet "bad guy" at times in ALL of Todd's relationships. Anyways, very peculiar whipped puppy sex sure does NOT romanticize a rapist, more like emasculates him... JMHO. (NT) -- Pilar, 11:58:28 03/18/01 Sun
Funny, but unless you've kept EVERY post, opinion and thread of EVERY messageboard on the web, then I do believe you don't know what the HUGE H you're talking about. I find it to be the first time I can ever recall a "Todd first" fan being CONCERNED that double standards were running amok within a Tn? fanbase. Are ya keeping tabs all around, or are only those who favor TnT subjected to the scrutiny? (NT) -- Mija, 12:29:29 03/18/01 Sun
Jules.... couldn't have said this better! But I probably would have added my new "signature" to it.... yawn... LOL!... okay, enough of that, now can we move on to something that really "interests" us here? Sorry, but BnT does NOT fit the criteria for THAT, for me or most other people (imo) who are NOT BnTers (or BnT Lurkers). (NT) -- jackie, 11:37:31 03/17/01 Sat
I just saw Stephen Markel (ex-Mel Hayes) on "The Practice" -- Regine, 22:42:38 03/18/01 Sun
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LOL, let's see Skye starts off at AMC, moves to OLTL, and now GH? WTF? And Shapiro wonders why ABC fans don't like crossovers that make no sense?! I don't know Skye's final resting place, Jackie, but since RC's an FOJ maybe Jilly is lobbying hard to keep her at GH and GT might not care too much since he's unloading FOJ baggage as much as possible? Could be "speculation" is based on what Jilly wants, she gets... eventually. (NT) -- Pilar, 18:27:44 03/16/01 Fri
Maybe she's thinking Skye and Sonny? (wow, that hurt to type!) ....I'm praying for a NuCarly. My story continues in some fashion, (although I won't be watching), and Sonny's depression over losing Carly is temporary. (NT) -- Megan, 23:48:27 03/16/01 Fri
Yuck, Sonny & Skye? Skye reminds me way too much of Brenda, easily broken. Scottie & Skye might be interesting, he always wants to protect & nurture a woman more than I care to watch but Skye could use some TLC post-Max. I don't want to watch a Carly recast, so I might go for Sonny & Alexis relationshop though despite my L&L bias I wanted Luke to have a fling w/Alexis at some point! :-) (NT) -- Pilar, 06:45:10 03/17/01 Sat
So IF Jilly gets her way and Skye stays at GH... where does that leave Max? Continually in BnT's sordid little story? (NT) -- Pilar, 06:12:05 03/17/01 Sat
btw, what will save GH ratings decline is NOT Jillification but looks like Geary's L&L reunion adventure... Jilly may regret NOT taking full credit for story after all. :-) (NT) -- Pilar, 17:52:53 03/16/01 Fri
Pilar, I'm interested in what you think of SB's comments. IMO it's all damage control, and she comes off looking a lot better than Shapiro. Once again she's dissing fans and just keeps spinning and spinning. (NT) -- Megan, 00:32:56 03/17/01 Sat
Personally I think way too much damage control for a non-fight. I'd say SB is NOT burning her bridges behind her since the "mouse" w/ABC could offer her work in the future. Shapiro sounds way over-defensive for a simple "net campaign" - methinks ABC Daytime needs negative press right now like it needs to lose another ratings point. (NT) -- Pilar, 05:03:27 03/17/01 Sat
Thanks Jackie. It would appear that the coven is really running ABC daytime and not the lone witch AS. I just don't get it, and I suspect I never will. Mija (NT) -- Mija, 17:54:07 03/16/01 Fri
DRAT... Just when I was starting to like the possibliity of a Laura/Scottie redux... (NT) -- Louise, 18:44:50 03/16/01 Fri
BIG QUESTION???heehee -- CYBBOY, 19:15:43 03/16/01 Fri
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LOLOL, CYBBOY! Now what I wanna know is how does one sabotage someone's campaign when it's being done offline.... Do us 5 TnTers have that much power? Have the 5 TnTers managed to locate every single person planning on snailmailing and steal their mail before it can be sent? Wow, more powerful than I ever could have imagined! ~g~ (NT) -- Nic, 19:34:55 03/16/01 Fri
ROFL! Gee, why don't they make up their minds here?! are we stooopid, gullible and delusional? OR, are us 5 TnTers all-mighty and all-powerful??!!..... can't be BOTH!.... my vote is NEITHER! but hey, they sure as HELL make me LAUGH, so I guess that counts for something!... ~s~ (NT) -- jackie, 19:45:25 03/16/01 Fri
LOL CYBBOY! I dont think its us thats delusional at all. According to the 'heads' of the gold condom campaign, those gold balloons that were sent to the penthouse by Blair on their non-wedding night, were in fact the very balloons that were sent in, AND were a message to the fans from TPTB that T&B would be a couple. Now who's delusional? (NT) -- Dana, 20:43:23 03/16/01 Fri
OMG, you're kidding, right??? LOLOL, this is too funny! (NT) -- Nic, 20:54:14 03/16/01 Fri
LMAOhysterically!...... heeheehee!..... this one is toooooo rich!.... ~s~ (NT) -- jackie, 21:25:04 03/16/01 Fri
Ok, no offense to my few B&Ber friends but this whole "gold condoms... er balloons" campaigns reeks of same silliness B&Bers were denigrated for in their "fuzzy dice B&B were meant to be" campaign. I'll stick w/letter writing, less liable to produce SNICKERS of derision from TIIC. JMHO! (NT) -- Pilar, 06:40:52 03/17/01 Sat
Oh CYBBOY you never fail to crack me up!!LOLLOL I know its sad but true, I have read several of these posts over at ABC accusing us of sabatoging their campaign, and according to a post on the Todd board now, the anit-T&B campaign is causing waves at mags so the Knoll is lighting a fire under everyone to step it up. Cant let the 5 of us get the upper hand..LOL (NT) -- Debbie(flolofan), 21:04:22 03/16/01 Fri
LOL!! This is funny .... well, IMO, it's a tiny, itsy, bitsy, little TnTer. She has little antennae and runs around the studio offices at night with a big old stick pin... and pops those balloons. Puts holes in the deflated ones .... and sings, "Pop goes the weasel" with every punch! (NT) -- Cabbie Esq, 23:13:27 03/16/01 Fri
Hmmm, 1) Can only hope Todd bought a clue & used one of those donated "gold condoms" during peculiar sex! 2) Ok, fess up who travelled the country, turned OFF nielsen boxes so ratings tanked for pec sex & then travelled again to turn said boxes on for "hell no" week? 3) Hey, an anti-campaign & I'm the LAST to hear of it, tsk tsk, where's the petition to sign? Can see the headlines now, soaps fans cry Spare us MORE very peculiar scenes! *VBEG (NT) -- Pilar, 05:58:37 03/17/01 Sat
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A cautionary note on spoilers… -- Pilar, 09:18:42 03/16/01 Fri
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Pilar, have there been ANY May Sweeps spoilers posted anywhere yet? How do we know if it's been changed if we don't know what it was in the first place? (NT) -- Confuzed, 09:24:19 03/16/01 Fri
Sorry, I haven't a clue what gets posted elsewhere, confuzed, maybe someone else can address that question for you. I only know what gets posted HERE, and we’ve discussed some future spoilers including Blair’s pregnancy, possible trial, Lanie revealed as killing Colin, Dorian’s return, etc. I’m just following up on a post about relying on ANY “advance spoilers” at this point. (NT) -- Pilar, 09:41:38 03/16/01 Fri
All the old stuff is getting tied up so the new headwriters can do their stories. The only other couples on the show are VnB, and RnJ, so you gotta go with the big guns TnOTD. I'm sure Rog is auditioning future co-stars. LL was desorased, he sparked with someone! I'm giving it until May before I deprogram my VCR. -- jane, 12:10:36 03/16/01 Fri
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