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Date Posted: Fri April 15, 2005 16:27:32
Author: Rambacker
Subject: Stanford is a good model too.
In reply to: bfg 's message, "Few Ivy League or PL schools have successful sports programs, especially among the high profile sports. With the excpetion of Princeton and Penn, most Ivy League basketball programs are awful. The same can be said of PL hoops w/ the exception of HC and Bucknell. PL schools are not good models for us b/c they are, generally, small liberal arts colleges. the schools that we should use as models are, to varying degrees: G'town, BC, Nova, Vandy, Wake, Tulane, & Rice." on Fri April 15, 2005 12:30:28

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Obviously you do not follow lacrosse, soccer, wrestling, ice hockey or anything other than basketball. (NT) -- Frozen 4, Fri April 15, 2005 16:47:11

I follow a bunch of sports but listing wrestling, a sport that few schools compete in, and hockey, which is limited to a relatively few northern schools (some of them non-DI) doesn't make sense. Hoops is and will continue to be our flagship sport followed by football. When it comes to the 2 premier sports, the Ivies and PL are not our role models. (NT) -- bfg, Fri April 15, 2005 22:15:58

But it underscores an argument that the Ivies do not care about sports that is bunk. They spend a lot of money on sports, just not some of the ones that are overtly popular such as hoops, but they compete and win in many sports at the highest level. (NT) -- 4, Fri April 15, 2005 22:40:55
- Where did I say that they did/did not spend money on sports? I said they're not the right models for us and I think your point backs up my thesis. We're not going to have a great wrestling team or hocket team (sorry, '85) anytime soon. Our premier sport is hoops and we want to have good teams in other sports like football, baseball, and soccer (not to mention women's teams). Thus, I look to other schools, not the Ivies. (NT) -- bfg, Sat April 16, 2005 12:12:44
  - The thread is related to $$, didn't say that you made that reference. However, let's not sell the Ivies short. They excel on a national level in many sports, maybe not the sexy ones, but they do excel. Its a problem for us across the board. We basically don't win in anything with the exception of softball. Hockey is a money loser for most schools which is why the lower tier D-I teams ( Villanova, Iona, Fairfield ) all scrapped their programs. Fordham needs to stop comparing and trying to draw parallels to other schools. Fordham has its own unique identity. There is no excuse for such abject failure in sports. The example of Jim lewis is perfect. There is NO reason he still should have a job, none. (NT) -- 4, Sat April 16, 2005 13:30:28
    - The reason Jim Lewis still has a job is the same reason that Fordham has been so bad in so many sports for so long: namely Frank McLaughlin. The Rip Van Winkle of Rose Hill, Frank has been asleep now for four decades. The real question then is why does Frank still have a job? Did The Board of Trustees, Fr. O'Hare, and now Fr. McShane all catch Frank's "sleeping sickness?" (NT) -- BS'65, Sat April 16, 2005 15:40:37
      - Has it occurred to you that Frank may be exactly what Fordham trustees and administrators want? He's a good-natured guy who gets along well with a number of the old grads (albeit not too many on this board) and who never presses the higher-ups for much in the way of budgets and facilities. Frank's job is an exercise in minimalism--maintaining just enough of an athletic program so that alums don't get totally ticked off, walk away in anger, and forever end their financial contributions to the university. Check out the lengthy thread below under "Fordham Scoreboard Week 33." (NT) -- JT'66, Sat April 16, 2005 16:46:15
        Of course it has occurred to us. However, if we had a BOT with a spine, they would demand Frank's ouster. They have no spine. Denzel used to be on the BOT and Denzel has no spine. (NT) -- Joe Arachnid, Sat April 16, 2005 17:29:45
        JT, the Board of Trustees may not want to spend money on new facilites (new basketball arena, new or expanded football stadium etc.); you may be right on that. However, our athletic budgets are already among the highest in the A-10 (there were posts on this, some months back). Since we are already spending respectable amounts of money on athletics--with little to show for it--it would seem that the Trustees should be demanding "more bang for the buck" from Frank. The Athletic Department has virtually become a fiefdom for him. It seems that he can do (or not do) whatever he likes-- with no accountabilty and no oversight. JA, I don't know any of the Trustees personally, so I won't comment on them (and I don't think it advances our cause to say things like "they have no spine." But I would agree that they should start paying some more attention to the Athletic Department. Looking into the possibilities of getting a new A.D. would be a good place to start. (NT) -- BLT, Sat April 16, 2005 18:11:49
        When the day comes (hopefully soon) to replace Frank, we wouldn't have to go far to interview a top prospect....just a few miles to the west. Manhattan College AD Bob Byrnes would be my choice--he's young, smart, hungry, a great administrator with a can-do attitude, and he really wants his teams to win. (Does he sound a little different from our lethargic AD?) As "Jasper Green" posts above (see "Gonzo Shopping Again?" thread), "Just think of Fordham's athletic program with him [Byrnes] there." (NT) -- FC'78, Sat April 16, 2005 23:32:45
        How old is he? (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue April 19, 2005 16:42:50
        I think Byrnes graduated from Manhattan in 1968 (NT) -- Veal Cutlet, Tue April 19, 2005 22:35:44
        That would make him 58 or so. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed April 20, 2005 09:45:28

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