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Today's 3/26/05 Journal News -- bman, Sat March 26, 2005 07:51:06 [27]
Fordham and Coach Whittenburg are currently negotiating terms of a contract extension.

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- Did I read that right, Fordham is taking some initiative here and negotiating a contract extension!? (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Sat March 26, 2005 08:21:34
- Could someone please provide link please? (NT) -- linkplease, Sat March 26, 2005 12:01:43
Smush is first player ever to have triple-double in NBDL -- DebataRam, Sun March 27, 2005 18:50:44 [2]
The NBA veteran with Cleveland, Detroit, and Phoenix hit for 31 points, 13 assists, and 11 rebounds to make history as the Flame won their 6th game in the last�9.

URl"http://www.whnt19.com/Global/story.asp?S=3130046

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- Sounds kind of like my minor league home run record (NT) -- Crash Davis, Sun March 27, 2005 19:46:38
Women's Softball -- DebataRam, Sun March 27, 2005 17:37:18 [3]
Anyone else notice that the Lady Rams opened up conference play 4-0 with sweeps over LaSalle and at Saint Joes!!! Well done Ladies, keep it up!

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- AMEN, and keep it up Lady Rams. (NT) -- Joe S. ' 58, Sun March 27, 2005 18:43:45
  - Also, DebataRam, thank you for the updates. (NT) -- Joe S. ' 58, Sun March 27, 2005 18:45:49
Fordham Baseball -- gmc, Wed March 23, 2005 22:22:14 [10]
Just got back from the Fordham-Winthrop baseball game in Rock Hill, SC. The score was tied 2-2 in the bottom of the tenth when I left. The Rams looked good against a strong Winthrop team ranked in the top 25 a few weeks ago. Fordham has a very young team with fifteen freshmen and sophmores. Winthrop scored an unearned run in the bottom of the seventh to tie the game. Fordham had used six pitchers going into the tenth inning with a sophmore, Javier Martinez, looking real good pitching the eighth and ninth innings.

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- Gene, how could you leave early? How many of you guys made it down there from Charlotte? (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 22:45:42
- Fordham Baseball -- gmc, Wed March 23, 2005 23:42:38
- The Rams won the game, 3-2, in 11 innings. FYI, Martinez was highly recruited out of high school (First Team All-State). (NT) -- ramMan, Thu March 24, 2005 06:56:30
  - Who's his daddy? Rams? (NT) -- El Jefe '80, Thu March 24, 2005 12:51:43
05-06 -- 20 Wins, Sat March 26, 2005 22:47:34 [6]
F Bryant Dunston, 6'8 Sophomore, Starting Power Forward
F Sebastian Greene, 6'7 Sophomore, Starting SF
G Marcus Stout, 6'4 Sophomore, Starting SG
G Jermaine Anderson, 6'2 Senior, Starting Combo Guard

F Devon Evertsen, 6'7 Sophomore, Starting SF?
F Chris Bethel, 6'4 Freshman, Forward
G Kevin Anderson, 6'3 Sophomore, Backup PG
F Demetrius Phillips, 6'7 Freshman, Forward
G Corey McCrae, 6'2 Senior, Backup SG
F Michael Binns, 6'7 Sophomore, Backup Forward
C Luke Devine, 6'10 Freshman, Reserve Center
G Nick Vita, 6'5 Senior, Reserve G/F

Gone:
C Mushon Ya'Akosi, 6'8 Starting C, Elig. complete
F Dominic Osei, 6'5, program parts ways
G Derrick Breland, 5'10, program parted ways

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- Where do you get that Osei is leaving? That is the first I have seen of that. Bethel sounds like he'll be starting and unless Greene climbs out of the coaches doghouse, he won't start. It's a long offseason and anything can happem but those seem to be glaring weak points of your post. (NT) -- J92, Sun March 27, 2005 00:19:32
  - That and as of today, Kevin Anderson will start at PG. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sun March 27, 2005 08:43:49
    - Off his showing this year, I expect Osei to be a valuable contributor off the bench next season. He's a good student, a sound fundamental player, and also was a key recruit for us -- the recruit who reopened NYC prep ranks for Fordham hoops. We have a stake in seeing that Osei has a good 4 year career and earns a Fordham diploma. Of course, that's true of any player who dons the Maroon. (NT) -- John, Sun March 27, 2005 13:48:28
- How do we win 20 games when we only have four guys starting? Seriously, I think Bethel will start ahead of Greene and Kevin Anderson will be the starting PG. Now if he could just work on his jump shot and free-throw shooting. Happy Easter to one and all. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Sun March 27, 2005 08:56:38
  - And a happy Easter to you too. I think it's important to point out that no matter who ends up being the starting five next season, DW will play 10 guys in his rotation so he can finally get the team into a pressing, trapping, fast-breaking pattern that fits his coaching style. This should make next season pretty interesting to watch. I'm looking forward to it already. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sun March 27, 2005 16:03:13
Xavier's Thornton had a 4.0 GPA last semester -- Rambacker, Sun March 27, 2005 09:07:35 [1]
Just noticed this on the A-10 Web Site. Xavier's Brian Thornton had a 4.0 GPA last semester. Quite impressive.

A-10 Basketball "Student-Athlete of the Year"

Brian Thornton - Xavier
Junior, Forward, Louisville, KY/DuPont Manual HS
Managed to combine academics and athletics very successfully since transferring to Xavier from Vanderbilt....provided Xavier with an inside presence, evidenced by his 11.0 ppg average and team-high 5.9 rpg average...his .601 field goal percentage (98-163) also leads the Musketeers...in the classroom, Thornton sports a 3.61 grade point average as a liberal arts major...last semester, Thornton had a 4.0 gpa

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I hope to God DW is extended, as long as a REAL assistant coach is named (X&O's guy) & we rid ourselves of atleast one on the current staff. Is this apart of the deal? -- Rammer, Sat March 26, 2005 18:43:41 [1]
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St. Joe's to Play in Madison Square Garden -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 09:33:01 [29]
Here is St. Joe's OOC schedule for next season as of today. A nice mix with Nova, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Ohio State, Penn and Kansas at Madison Square Garden. Hope we get a game or two at the Garden - it would be odd to see the Hawks play there and not Fordham. I'd love to play Gonzaga home and home - we should work on that one. They'd probably agree to play us in the RHG. A great game for us.

@ Gonzaga
@ St. Mary's
Kansas @ MSG
@ Villanova
Ohio State - Palestra
Penn - Palestra
Drexel - Palestra

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- according to the A-10 board, you left out Bucknell, Davidson, and Lafayette. Also one more game w/ either Marquette, Alabama, or Creighton. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 10:08:27
  - That is a brutal, Temple-like OOC sked. It will not help the A-10's RPI. (NT) -- Rc74, Wed March 23, 2005 10:38:53
- That schedule once again will most likely put them high in the SOS category, but also may put them up there in the L category. I see this as a classic example of overscheduling and with the graduation of Carroll it will be interesting to see how the Hawks handle it. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 10:31:42
  - Agreed but SJU's OOC record would have been better this year had Carroll not been hurt early in the year. Just as we'll be looking for improvement from our young players, it will be interesting to see how guys like Ferguson, Calathes, and Jalloh improve. If they're healthy, Martelli will have them in most of those games. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 10:41:29
    - That is not the point. The point is that all it takes is one injury and your OOC is shot and then the conference's RPI suffers. That schedule lacks the two or three much needed gimmes. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 10:47:01
      - Keep in mind this is an incomplete schedule. Those two gimmes will probably be added. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 11:04:09
        
        that's 11 OOC games. I think they could only add one more. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 11:16:17
        
        With 16 league games, that would make 27. Aren't college teams allowed to schedule 28 regular season games? More? (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 11:29:59
        
        I think 28 is the limit, so they would only get to add 1 more game. However, they only played 27 this year (like us) so they might not add another game. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 11:33:01
        
        If that is the case, then this would appear to be too tough a schedule for them, based on who they have coming back/in. What I like about the schedule is the creative thinking with Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Kansas at MSG, possibly Marquette or Creighton. Nice job on selecting the opponents. We should consider a similar strategy as we move forward. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 12:52:08
        28 is the limit, but the 28th game is allotted for the conference tournament. So when you boil it down for A-10 teams, you have 16 conference games, 11 OOC games, and 1 game allotted for the A-10 tournament. (NT) -- DonHo, Wed March 23, 2005 15:05:12
        
        Thanks for the clarification. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 15:53:08
        That is what I had heard DonHo, but was not certain how true it was. Thanks for confirming. Here is a question for anybody that might now the answer: Do the Ivy League teams get to schedule an extra game since they do not have a league tournament or do they have to leave it open in case they have to go to a tie-break playoff game? (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 16:02:58
        
        Dete, I don't have the answer to your question. But along those same lines, I'm wondering if there is a special provision for teams in leagues that do not allow all of their teams in their conference tournaments (e.g. the C-USA setup until next season, the Big East except this season, and the A-10 beginning next year)? I don't think there is...but I'm curious to find out. (NT) -- DonHo, Wed March 23, 2005 16:44:46
        
        Is it official that the bottom two teams in the A-10 will not make the conf. tourney? I know it makes sense, but with Linda you never know. (NT) -- J92, Wed March 23, 2005 21:06:32
        
        The lowest two teams will play in the tournament, but will not be invited to the banquet. (NT) -- L. Bruno, Thu March 24, 2005 11:14:27
    - From the games that I saw, St. Joe's was at their best when Carrol put the team on his back and carried them. They won't be able to do that next year, and with their only other proven scorer being Dwayne Jones, defenses will key on him. I look for the Hawks to take a few steps back next year, especially with that OC schedule. (NT) -- '02 Grad, Wed March 23, 2005 10:48:01
      - Actually, Stachitas averages more PPG than Jones. Jones is a decent scorer but a rebounding machine. The question is whether Stachitas can score as much w/o Carroll and/or how much of the slack will Jalloh and Lee pick up. My bet is that the Hawks do just fine next year. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 10:59:35
        
        True, but if you look at Stachitas' stats once Carrol started playing, they dropped dramatically. He started the season with strong numbers, but it was almost as if he was scoring by default because their offense struggled so much without Carroll. They will be fine, but I don't think there's anyway they'll be as impressive in conference as they were this year. We should finish ahead of them I would think, along with atleast 3-4 other A10 teams. (NT) -- '02 Grad, Wed March 23, 2005 11:22:24
        
        Whoaaaaa! Lots of people were saying that about them this year. Let's not underestimate them, especially Martelli. He's the best coach (as of now) in the A-10 and they're going to compete for a top A-10 finish again next year. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 11:25:01
        
        You are correct about that. I most definitely did not expect them to be the team they were this year. I concede. (NT) -- '02 Grad, Wed March 23, 2005 11:27:18
        
        I think Jalloh will step up in a big way next season, and I saw good potential from Ferguson also. A nice player. They also have a good wing shooter coming in as a frosh. They'll be in the thick of it, as usual, with Martelli's coaching. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 11:33:22
        No need to concede. There's nothing better than some good give and take over college hoops, especially in March. (NT) -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 11:57:51
      - They will definitely be in the thick of things, perhaps even favored to win it again, but I still think that it would be in their best interest and that of the conference for them to schedule a bit easier. If any coach in the A-10 can get it done though, it will be Martelli. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 11:42:09
        
        For the record, gentelmen, Chet Stachitas injured his ankle in the San Francisco game. Since then, he was not afforded the opportunity to allow it to heal, so he's been playing with a sore ankle all season. He has only been practicing the day before a game since then. He put up games of 27 and 25 early in the season so he can fill it up when healthy. He will easily average 15-18 points/game next year. Hawks lose about 23 points a game with Carroll and Bryant leaving (21 of those Carroll's.) Several guys figure to improve and make up for that scoring loss. Hawks will be better, not worse. Also, who's coming to MSG to root on the Hawks next week?! (NT) -- 6th man, Thu March 24, 2005 13:49:07
        
        I am going to do my best to get to MSG. It would be great to see an all Jesuit final with the Hawks taking on Georgetown, but I will take a Hawk victory irrespective of the opponent. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Thu March 24, 2005 14:30:59
        Come on, Its silly to say that Stachitas will "easily" avg 15-18 points. He got most of points bc defenses were so worried about Carroll. I think St. Joe's will be in the mix as usual, but I think Jalloh is going to be key for them. He made a lot of progress toward the end of the season. Stachitas at best will get 10 a game, and even that seems far fetched to me. (NT) -- Nrthjerseyram, Fri March 25, 2005 13:30:50
        
        Stachitas is currently averaging 10.8 points per game (good for second highest scoring average on the team despite a bad ankle) THIS year. So I guess it isn't far-fetched that he could duplicate what he did on a bad ankle and have at least 10 next year. 15 is the worst-case scenario next year for a healthy Stachitas. Book it. Also, last year, people said that Carroll got most of his points because people were focusing on Nelson and West. Without Nelson and West, Carroll's scoring average went way up. So there goes that theory. (NT) -- 6th man, Sat March 26, 2005 13:29:12
Any word on Fordham's out-of-conference schedule or tournament for the 2005-06 season? -- Ram It '66, Wed March 23, 2005 16:14:15 [10]
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- I know we play in a tournament in the Virgin Islands early next season that includes Georgia and Wisconsin. Dates?? (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 16:37:15
  - The tournament is called the Paradise Jam and it runs from Nov. 18th - Nov 22nd. It's an eight-team tourney that so far includes: Fordham, Wisc., Georgia, ODU, Eastern Kent., and three others to be named. For additional information go to: www.paradisejam.com (NT) -- NJRAMFAN, Wed March 23, 2005 21:47:30
    - Univ. of St. Thomas sounds pretty good to me. Looks likes a potential road trip. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 23:18:34
      - and FU will get around to notifying its alumni with a package about october 31 (NT) -- ridikkulos, Thu March 24, 2005 10:54:13
      - if this is for real I'm there. (NT) -- joe b, Thu March 24, 2005 17:29:42
        
        This is definitely for real. Fordham Development is currently working on a group package for Fordham fans. joe b, would you fly solo or with the entire family? (NT) -- J�Dete93, Thu March 24, 2005 17:37:46
        
        Mrs. T. is going to be SO mad when she finds out I'm going but, frankly, there's not much (more) she can do to me at this point. (NT) -- Fred T., Thu March 24, 2005 23:39:10
        
        don't fool yourself. There's always something more she can do. Are you seriously thinking of going? (NT) -- bfg, Sat March 26, 2005 11:27:34
        Have her call me, I know a few things she can do. (NT) -- Lorena bobbitt, Sat March 26, 2005 12:03:56
Andy Katz says UMass will introduce Ford tomorrow -- RamFan125, Wed March 23, 2005 14:59:10 [13]
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- Interesting choice given Rick Pitino was lobbying at one time for both Ford and Gonzo. Looks like Ford got the heavier lobbying. Will Gonzo ever get out of Jasperland? If not, it won't be for lack of trying. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 15:40:12
  - Somebody tell Gonzo there's going to be an opening at Eastern Kentucky. If he's printing all his resumes on Manhattan College copiers, the MC printing bill must be enormous. (NT) -- John, Wed March 23, 2005 16:03:02
    - With the luck he's been having he must be using Obrzut's fax machine. (NT) -- Ram '91, Wed March 23, 2005 16:26:30
      - why knock him? The guy is a good coach and he is just trying to better himself. You would do the same. (NT) -- frank, Wed March 23, 2005 19:57:40
        
        He's actually the "dean" of NYC college hoops coaches, with a chance to make himself and his program count for something in this city. While Fordham and DW are trying to make this a two-team town, Gonzo could easily make it a three-team place. I'm certain Manhattan would back him in the effort. But if he'd rather forget the Big City and go coach some state school in front of 8,000 screaming farmers, so be it. With the foundation he's put in place at MC, he should have the confidence in himself and the institution to see things through. Is Gonzo's problem lack of confidence, or lack of vision? (NT) -- John, Wed March 23, 2005 21:08:04
        
        It may have something to do with lack of money. How much do you think he is getting paid at MC? And it is not like living in NYC is cheap either. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 22:50:47
        Gonzo probably sees the limited upside of Manhattan basketball. Although Manhattan, I believe, is committed to playing competitive basketball on the national level, other members of the MAAC are not. This has the unfortunate impact of dragging the Jaspers down. You are known by the company you keep, and there are a few members of the MAAC that drag the rest of their conference mates down. You have to give Manhattan credit. They routinely accomplish more than you might expect they could. They schedule some big-time out-of-conference games, and will travel anywhere to increase their exposure. They get their feet in the door with many great players, but too many want a bigger conference forum than the MAAC. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Thu March 24, 2005 08:10:47
        
        Don't rule out Stony Brook who has some $$ to toss around. Although I hear Jim Ferry may be headed out there. Its wait and see for Gonzo, once a few of the big jobs are filled, he might slide into wherever those coaches came from. He must be doing something wrong in these interviews. (NT) -- '85, Thu March 24, 2005 11:15:46
        
        i think u hit it right '85... I'd bet Gonzo ends up at SBU... (NT) -- FU91, Thu March 24, 2005 21:18:31
        
        Unfortunatley the money they are tossing around is probably my property taxes. (NT) -- '85, Fri March 25, 2005 07:07:58
        Perhaps, but I think Gonzo could score a job in a better conference (assuming availability)... SB seems like it would be a lateral move, albeit for more $$ and better lifestyle.. (NT) -- Ram1, Fri March 25, 2005 14:23:13
        
        SB isn't a lateral move. It's a step down. They may offer more $$ and he might turn them into a winning America East program that will compete w/ Vermont, BU, and N'eastern, but at the beginning, it will be a step down. (NT) -- bfg, Sat March 26, 2005 11:02:35
Men�s Basketball Spring Reception -- bfg, Tue March 22, 2005 18:04:30 [6]
Mark your calendars...

Join Head Coach Dereck Whittenburg and his staff
at M.J. Armstrong�s Public House
�Fordham Basketball�s Home Away from Home�

Coach Whittenburg will recap the season and give a brief look into what he anticipates for next season.

Thursday, April 21, 2005
6:00 p.m. � 8:00 p.m.
M.J. Armstrong�s Public House
1st Ave. & 19th Street
$25.00 per person
Includes open bar and light appetizers

To R.S.V.P. contact Ryan St. Germain at (212) 636-6527
or at stgermain@fordham.edu

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- Will the players attend? (NT) -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 18:15:00
  - don't know but given the setting (a bar) and given that it's close to finals, I kind of doubt it. (NT) -- bfg, Tue March 22, 2005 19:18:37
- Will rambacker be there? (NT) -- Guy la F leur, Tue March 22, 2005 18:51:12
- Open Bar with light appetizers ? Sounds like an accident waiting to happen ! Can you imagine the interaction between The Wram and Rambacker, after a couple of snootfuls ? How about heavy on the food, and, light on the booze ? By planning a prudent venue, we will all have a decent chance of remaining coherent throughout the evening, getting in some meaningful conversation, and, not spending the night in the pokey. Any sober and intelligent feedback out there ? (NT) -- Bill W., Fri March 25, 2005 22:37:30
  - Since I won't be there, you can keep the open bar. No need to be worried. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sat March 26, 2005 10:06:56
John Beilein -- GMeagherFC74, Wed March 23, 2005 11:43:45 [5]
Nice article in the NY Times on the West Virginia coach who is a Wheeling Jesuit graduate and former coach of Lemoyne. He seems like a typical solid upstate guy. His best player is a a former Jimmy Baron Bonnie recruit who transferred out when that jerk of a president, Wichauser chased Baron away and made a joke of things in Olean.

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- He lead another Jesuit school, Canisius, to the Big Dance in '96. I went to a couple of his basketball camps while he was there. Great guy. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Wed March 23, 2005 12:05:58
  - He is a great guy. When my father was president at Nazareth College here in Rochester, he gave John his start in college coaching by hiring him back in the early '80s. Nazareth was (and still is) Division - III. Beilein had quick success here and then moved on after about two years to LeMoyne, a Div.II school. He's been a winner everywhere, and his current success comes as no surprise to anyone who has followed his career. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Wed March 23, 2005 17:11:53
  - BTW, I seem to recall that Beilein's PG at Nazareth was a young man named Jeff Van Gundy. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Wed March 23, 2005 17:50:06
- Just a FYI, Beilein's niece is actually a freshman at Fordham. Met her at Arthur House the night WVU beat Syracuse in the Big East tourney. She told me he's looking to retire in the near future. (NT) -- Marco (CBA 07), Sat March 26, 2005 03:01:26
Craig Austrie Update -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 16:33:29 [5]
Combo guard Craig Austrie will visit UConn today or tomorrow and UConn is expected to offer him a scholarship. The question there is will PG AJ Price recover from an aneurism. Either way, Austrie would back up starting UConn PG Marcus Williams. He averaged 28 points per game at Trinity Catholic in CT. and was named Gatorade Player of the Year yesterday.

Fordham and Providence have offered him scholarships and Austrie will make an official visit to Providence this weekend. He is also being recruited by Marquette, Georgetown, Georgia Tech, Maryland and Florida.

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- I assume this means the Antonio Kellogg era is over in Storrs. (NT) -- Fred T., Wed March 23, 2005 22:20:23
  - The Kellogg era is over. He will be transferring. (NT) -- Rambacker, Fri March 25, 2005 08:47:27
    - That's good news for those of us in CT. He became a real liability over the course of the year. (NT) -- Fred T., Fri March 25, 2005 10:37:24
- According to an article I saw in the Middletown Press today, Whittenburg had an in-house visit with Austrie this past Tuesday. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Fri March 25, 2005 19:13:46
From today's Newsday -- ramMan, Thu March 24, 2005 07:32:13 [14]

The most hallowed sports in big-time college athletics have glaring academic deficiencies....

Nationally, 30 percent of football teams and 20 percent of men's basketball programs in Division I fell below the minimum standard of academic progress in the 2003-04 academic year. Overall, nearly half (49.5 percent) of Division I schools would have had at least one team subject to penalties under guidelines that will go into effect in 2006....

Penalties begin with a loss of scholarships. Repeat offenders could face postseason bans and, in the extreme, expulsion from the NCAA.

Under the new guidelines, each team in Division I must maintain an APR [academic progress rate] score of 925 out of a possible 1,000. The 925 equates to a graduation rate of 50 percent. Teams lose points for athletes who transfer, drop out or turn pro. A team with a score below 925 is subject to penalties, but only if the departing athletes are academically ineligible.

Locally, Fordham had an overall APR of 977, Manhattan 959, Hofstra 958, LIU 957, St. John's 954, St. Francis 952 and Stony Brook 929.

Key stat will be APR
Newsday

FYI, Fordham's APR of 977 ranks #39 nationally (out of 328 Division I schools).

Click here for the rankings.

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- There's a related article in the March 25 issue of The Chronicle of Higher Education. Click on this message -- full text of the piece inside. -- ramMan, Thu March 24, 2005 11:04:04
- Interesting but not surprising that Temple is below the line. Unfortunately, so is St. Peter's (NT) -- Jimbo65, Thu March 24, 2005 11:29:54
- I love St. John's reaction to their shamefully low men's basketball 826 rating. Apparently they feel it's unfair to be penalized for the departure of four players under scandalous circumstances. Shouldn't the focus be on making sure you don't recruit those kind of students or allow that behavior in the first place, instead of discussing waivers because there are now actually consequences? Also, former coach Jarvis says that he's worried these new standards will cause players to take easy courses and major in eligibility - as if that's not already happening, as if most of these big-time coaches actually care about what happens to the players who don't go pro when they leave school. I'm looking forward to seeing some schools and coaches finally brought to heel. (NT) -- DamnRam, Thu March 24, 2005 13:51:15
  - We have our Hill skeletons in our closet too. We looked the other way for a while as Hill talked of the Fordham Drag and brought in "challenged students." (NT) -- Drag-less, Thu March 24, 2005 14:26:24
    - Just remember, those "challenged students" would probably raise St. John's grad rate/academic progress. I'm scared to think what an easy course at St. John's constitutes. Can welding be far behind? Three credits for "Your Camera Phone and You"? (NT) -- Get 'er done, Thu March 24, 2005 14:44:33
    - The players Hill brought in may have been academically "challenged students", but they were not expelled, were never involved in drugs, bribes, a transcript scandal, a strip club/hooker incident, or featured in a tell-all book. And all that drama was in the past what, two years? Fordham doesn't recruit such people, and those kind of incidents don't happen because our AD is actually strict. But even if something did happen at Fordham I'm sure it would be handled appropriately, and you certainly wouldn't see our AD shamelessly trying to get waivers from the consequences. (NT) -- DamnRam, Thu March 24, 2005 18:03:54
      - I wouldn't dwell too much on this. We've had our moments and incidents over time, as every program does. We are far from perfect. I'll just leave it at that. Your assumptions are not fully correct. (NT) -- Rambacker, Thu March 24, 2005 18:24:43
        
        Amen, Rambacker. (NT) -- Drag-less, Thu March 24, 2005 22:19:59
        I wouldn't be so tough on SJU. Let's face it, kids do crazy things, its really a matter sometimes of whether or not you get caught. I do agree FU is on top of things better than most but also, maybe a little bit of luck over the years too. (NT) -- '85, Fri March 25, 2005 07:54:35
        I disagree. Just because we have had incidents like everybody else doesn't mean our reaction should be one of tolerance for that level of unethical behavior. An occasional incident can be put in some perspective, depending on the facts and resolution. But the number and seriousness of St. Johns' incidents, after having benefitted from questionable practices for so long, and their audacity to suggest it's not fair they be held accountable, that's what I'm really objecting to. Our program should never be allowed to sink so low. (NT) -- DamnRam, Fri March 25, 2005 12:03:07
        
        My post was in response to your comments re: the behavior of former players at FU. They are inaccurate - we have not been untouched by these problems - no Div. 1 program is, nor are most Div 2 and 3 programs. (NT) -- Rambacker, Fri March 25, 2005 15:20:49
        Damn Ram, Fordham has been better at sweeping things under the carpet than most. (NT) -- The Sweeper, Fri March 25, 2005 17:57:47
- 12 Jesuit schools in the top 41. Ivy League schools notwithstanding, Jesuit institutions make up exactly one-third of the remaining 36 colleges in that group. 6 Jesuits in the top 16 overall, and exactly half of the top 12, if the list is looked at "sans Ivies." Not too shabby... (NT) -- RamRunner12, Fri March 25, 2005 16:58:45
Add Trimboli to the Mix -- Rambacker, Thu March 24, 2005 15:28:33 [10]
Add another recruiting prospect to the mix for Fordham. We have taken a long, hard look at 6' 2", 170 lb. PG/Combo Guard Mike Trimboli of St.Luke's School in New Canaan, CT. A good shooter, he averaged 27 points and 6 assists per game and was the 2nd highest scorer in the state. He's a tough, hard-nosed competitor who is coached by former Fordham Ram PG Billy Lovett. Lovett also coaches his AAU team, the Fairfield Stars. He visited Vermont early and has interest from San Diego State, Nebraska, Kent State, URI, LaSalle, UTEP, Manhattan, and BU along with Fordham. Trimboli is a full qualifier who scored 1030 on his SAT's.

Also, our interest is picking up in 6' 4" Michael Glover from Monroe in the Bronx. As per my post in the Fall, we have been recruiting him since last summer. Glover averaged 18 points and 8 rebounds per game and can shoot and score. His older brother starred at St. John's.

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- I think Trimboli attended Trinity Catholic prior to transferring to St. Lukes. (NT) -- toby, Thu March 24, 2005 15:44:29
  - I think you're right. Is he in a PG year at St. Luke's? (NT) -- Rambacker, Thu March 24, 2005 18:22:01
    - st. Luke's is a day school, so I am pretty sure they do not have post-grad program. (NT) -- toby, Thu March 24, 2005 22:02:25
      - As opposed to all the HS that hold classes at night? (NT) -- hoi polloi, Fri March 25, 2005 14:24:26
        
        Hey smartass, most post graduate programs are offered at prep schools with a resident population; i.e. a boarding school. St. Lukes does not have a dorm with students. It is a private day-school in New Caanan. (NT) -- toby, Fri March 25, 2005 15:56:50
- What classes (year) are these guys? (NT) -- RC74, Fri March 25, 2005 10:17:19
  - Trimboli is Class of '05 and Glover is '06. (NT) -- Rambacker, Fri March 25, 2005 10:25:35
- Keith Mason at NYhoops ranks Glover #12 in met area (as of 1/14/ 05) for Class of '06; he has Austin Wallace at #23; Bethel is #8 for this year's senior class. (NT) -- whm, Fri March 25, 2005 12:03:10
  - Both Wallace and Glover would be nice signings for us. Two highly regarded NYC players to continue the pipeline. (NT) -- Rambacker, Fri March 25, 2005 15:17:12
SAILING RESULTS, REGATTA # 3 -- Joe S. ' 58, Tue March 22, 2005 23:04:44 [4]
This past weekend, Fordham participated in the UMBC Open in Baltimore Harbor. Our Middle Atlantic conference is divided into three regions and each region has two qualifying regattas for the conference championship at Navy at the end of April. The top two teams, not previously qualified, qualify for the championship, but a team may only qualify in its own region. Fordham is in the North region and this was a Central region qualifier. Thus while eligible to participate, we were not eligible to qualify at this event. As a result, we sent three frosh and one soph to represent us and gain experience against some good competition. They underscored the depth of our team and surprised the competition by finishing in the middle of the fleet. Results:
1. U/Penn - 30 points
2. UMBC - 35
3. Washington C. - 50
4. Princeton - 62
5. Loyola - 65
6. Ocean County - 72
7. Fordham - 91
8. Maryland - 96
9. Delaware - 96
10. Penn State - 99
11. Drexel - 110
12. Lehigh - 132
13. Villanova - 154

U/Penn & UMBC qualified for the championship.

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- I love this sailing guy. At first I didn't but the guy has passion and is persistent, god bless him (NT) -- Ant Hill, Wed March 23, 2005 02:04:47
  - And may God bless you, too, Ant Hill. Happy Easter to all. (NT) -- Joe S. ' 58, Wed March 23, 2005 10:56:07
    - Is Sully coaching the UMBC Sailing team now that he's not coaching hoops there? :) (NT) -- FU91, Thu March 24, 2005 21:23:27
So here's the word in Boston... -- Ram6it, Mon March 21, 2005 23:30:15 [11]
According to WBZ news 4 in Boston, the new coach of UMass will become Travis Ford. Ford coached the Eastern Kentucky Colonels this year (a 15 seed in the NCAA tourney).

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- Kind of surprising. I don't think anyone mentioned his name on the board. Ford has to be one of, if not the youngest coach in the A-10. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Tue March 22, 2005 07:57:17
  - Just read in the NY Post that Gonzo is still very much a candidate, along with Ford. Here's the link (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Tue March 22, 2005 08:41:03
    - Regarding the comments in the article about the Tennessee job, Travis Ford is likely a long shot. Bobby Lutz has interviewed for the job, and the other names currently being mentioned are Bob Knight and Bruce Pearl. When asked by a reporter last week about his potential interest, Coach Knight gave the following reply: "That would be the last job I'd take. I'd quit before I'd take that job." Sounds like he isn't interested, right? Well, some Knight-watchers have pointed out that at his age if Knight took the UT job it would almost certainly be the his last job and that he would indeed have to quit at Texas Tech before he took the UT job. Kind of redfines the difference between viewing a glass as half empty or half full. Also, as of late yesterday, UAB's Mike Anderson had not been contacted about the job. (NT) -- TNRam, Tue March 22, 2005 10:25:35
      - I recently heard that Greg Marshall from Winthrop was the leading candidate for the Tennessee job provided he's interested. Marshal for some time now has been regarded as an underrated coach who deserves a high major job. As for Knight going to Tennessee, I don't even feel thats a lateral movement at this point considering where Knight has TT, he'd be stupid to leave and I don't feel he has interested in going anywhere other than possibly another big ten job if it were to open up and they were interested in him. Knight's got a young team with a strong recruiting class coming in and my guess is he'll stick around for another 3-4 years where he'll leave the program to his son, much as Eddie Sutton will do at Ok St. (NT) -- '02 Grad, Tue March 22, 2005 12:23:43
        
        I really can't see Knight leaving Texas Tech either. I mentioned Marshall in an earlier post as a possibility, but at this point he's not at the top of UT's list. That could change if the pursuit of Bobby Lutz doesn't pan out. (NT) -- TNRam, Tue March 22, 2005 12:45:48
        
        Many good coaches are leery of the Tennessee job. They have an arena that holds 20,000 fans and there is much pressure to fill it, Tennessee is arguably the nation's biggest "football school"(not hoops) and they are right in the middle of Kentucky/Mississippi State/Memphis/Auburn recruiting territory. That's tough competition for recruits. It will take a herculean effort to build a major, consistent winner there. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 16:15:15
        
        I disagree. There are hurdles for a new coach to overcome, but they aren't what you think they are nor are they as formidable as you might think (more inside). -- TNRam, Wed March 23, 2005 17:34:37
        
        Interesting background on Tennessee's athletic, but I will have to disagree with you on two fronts: First, I have talked to many Div. 1 basketball coaches who have said the job at Tennessee is avoided by many potentially strong candidates because of the belief that no one can ever win consistently there(this is a reality), and I would have to continue to maintain that the effort needed to turn the program around there will be herculean - changing the athletic dept. culture at UT, the ultimate football school, while recruiting at a high level in SEC territory will be very, very difficult, to say the least. When is the last time UT had a Final Four team? Or even a Sweet 16 team? (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 23:37:56
        
        Let me add that I don't think the job is an impossible task. In fact, Tennessee could be a major hoop power if the right guy gets the job and works very hard to recruit top players and also pounds the pavement drumming up interest from alums and Orange fans in the Knoxville area. But it will take a lot of hard work and determination. (NT) -- Rambacker, Thu March 24, 2005 15:41:12
  - Ford's name has been mentioned on the A-10 board. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 10:07:16
Freddy Sez... -- Ram '91, Wed March 23, 2005 17:26:37 [10]
I visited Midmajority.com to read his journey-ending entry when I happened upon his meeting a "Hall of Famer". Curious, I clicked on the link and found an article on our old friend Freddy Schuman. Unfortunately, the game was at another school in the Bronx with map reading issues, but it's definitely worth a read. Sorry if the article was noted last month when it originally ran.

click here

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- Freddie is not supposed to have a last name, he is like Pele or Madonna. You've ruined us by revealing his name. (NT) -- Cosmo Kramer, Wed March 23, 2005 19:57:16
  - Madonna's last name is Ciccone. (NT) -- Cher, Wed March 23, 2005 21:02:59
  - You mean Edson Arantes do Nascimento, aka, Pel�? (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 22:48:37
    - No, JoDete, how could you? The Pele fantasy is finished. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 23:17:04
      - You are killing the mystique (NT) -- Bono, Wed March 23, 2005 23:39:17
        
        That would be Paul Hewson. (NT) -- Gordon Sumner, Thu March 24, 2005 06:44:39
  - BTW, now that the show's over, can I have my license plate back? (NT) -- Assman, M.D., Thu March 24, 2005 11:07:01
    - Im a Gyno and my license plate is better (NT) -- ICN2U, Thu March 24, 2005 14:37:17
      - HIYO! (NT) -- Ed McMahon, Thu March 24, 2005 15:34:44
St. Joe's in the NIT Final Four at MSG -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 23:46:14 [1]
Like him or not, Phil Martelli has done one hell of a job with St. Joe's this season. The Hawks beat Texas A&M 58-51 tonight in front of an over capacity crowd in Texas and will play in Madison Square Garden next week in the NIT Semifinals.

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Chris Lowe Rules out Fordham -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 09:45:21 [7]
According to Rivals.com, Senior PG Chris Lowe from Mt. Vernon HS, NY has ruled out Fordham and now has Maryland, Virginia Tech and UTEP as his final 3 schools.

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- A credible source on redmen.com says he will committ to Va Tech soon. (NT) -- Reality Check, Wed March 23, 2005 10:37:38
- The Mount Vernon kids seem to aim for the highest possible high profile team without considering whether it is the best possible situation. I hope Chris does not find himself in the same unhappy situation as Keith Benjamin, who saw about two minutes per game at Pitt this year. (NT) -- RAM71, Wed March 23, 2005 10:50:29
- When I saw that we're reported to have offered the kid from Providence who was a Lappas recruit at UMass, I kind of figured we were out of it with Lowe. I hope Kevin Anderson is practicing his foul shots and his jumpers from three-point range. And McCrae should be thinking point guard too. We may need both of them to perform big time next year. I think we should not award the scholarship if we can't get a top PG. (NT) -- Drag-less, Wed March 23, 2005 14:20:14
- I still think that DW has a JUCO up his sleeve. (NT) -- NJRAMFAN, Wed March 23, 2005 15:36:49
  - Jeremy Harper? Chris Ross? Stay tuned. DW and staff have been travelling non-stop to deliver for us. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 15:51:30
  - A JUCO Point Guard might not be a bad thing, a little older, hopefully more mature and able to bring leadership to a very young team. I know that DW must put talent ahead of age in his ranking of potential recruits but given the right player a JUCO could work out nicely. (NT) -- SIram, Wed March 23, 2005 17:03:57
1971 -- Dogbite, Sat March 19, 2005 10:18:15 [34]
Next season is the 35th anniversary of our legendary 26-3 NCAA team. Who do we contact to get the ball rolling to have a dinner in McGinley in their honor with Digger as emcee. and retire #34 Charley Y AND # 44 Kenny Charles at halftime. Potential to be a great fundraiser.

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- Can someone fill me in as to why we would honor that team? (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Sat March 19, 2005 10:27:37
  - You have your answers below, HJ02. We were also a top-10 team that ran through what would become the Big East. We also won our touney games at St. John's, who sat home that year! Better question is, why NOT honor that team, Charlie Y, and Kenny Charles?!?! (NT) -- RAMpage '95, Sat March 19, 2005 13:30:10
    - meant "HEJ 02" my bad! (NT) -- RAMpage '95, Sat March 19, 2005 13:32:08
- The '71 team was arguably he best in Fordham history. They played great team ball at the same time the Knicks were winning NBA championships with the same kind of play. The '71 Rams captured the City's enthuisiasm and filled the garden with around 19,000 fans twice at the end of the season with games against Marquette and Notre Dame, before they went to the NCAAs. They captured the media with their gritty play There were several stellar players on the team Yelverton, Charles (NBA), Sullivan and several who were excellent role players. Any Fordham basketball fan today should want to pay respect to the '71 team as an example of Fordham's potential. Digger is another matter, he ran out on Fordham go Kelly greener pastures ignoring the potential, or maybe recognizing his inability to recruit in NYC. Digger never won a major title in his coaching career. (NT) -- LXRF, Sat March 19, 2005 11:24:31
  - Did we win any games in the NCAAs that year? (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Sat March 19, 2005 11:38:03
    - Great 26-3 Fordham Team -- FordhamFan'59, Sat March 19, 2005 12:19:25
    - Great 26-3 Fordham Team -- FordhamFan'59, Sat March 19, 2005 12:20:34
- Honor the team. Even invite Digger. We'll seem magnanimous if we do (and we'll set to rest a 35 year old resentment). Digger would look small if he turned down the invite. The publicity would be huge and national. Retire Charlie Yelverton and Ken Charles' numbers. Do it right. (NT) -- John, Sat March 19, 2005 14:05:13
  - Maybe ESPN Classic can do their Wednesday night "Old School" game from Rose Hill on the night we honor the team and have Digger there - what's more Old School than RHG?? (NT) -- FU91, Tue March 22, 2005 14:13:07
- The team beat Southern Conference Champion Furman 105-74 at St. John's - Yelverton had 30. Played in the Eastern Regional at N.C. - Lost to Villanova (which had to forfeit tournament play later after losing in the National Championship game) - Yelverton had 32. Beat #7 ranked South Caroline in the Consolation game 100-90 after being down 13-0. Set the NCAA tournament record for free throw % in a tournament game (22-22). Charles had 22; Burik & Mainor had 23 and Yelvertonhad 25. Bet you wish you had been there ! Any other ??? (NT) -- Hatman '71, Sat March 19, 2005 15:31:59
  - Since Villanova was DQ'd, Fordham became the regional runner-up. I'm confident that Fordham team was our best ever. (NT) -- Ramses, Sat March 19, 2005 23:47:57
  - Since Villanova was DQ'd, Fordham became the regional runner-up. I'm confident that Fordham team was our best ever. (NT) -- Ramses, Sat March 19, 2005 23:48:32
- Air Hej '02, your question was in jest, right? (NT) -- RAM71, Sat March 19, 2005 16:47:49
  - Why would it be in jest? The guy graduated 02 so he obviously does not remember the team. They were a great team, but to one that does not know the history they look like a team that made the NCAA and only won one game. It is not initially clearly obvious that the team was ranked #7 at one point, that they only lost 3 games and that they finished 3rd in the Eastern Regional. Winning one game back then was much bigger than it is now since only 32 teams went to the tournament. I think they may deserve to be honored, but it does go to show how weak a history we really have. I know we have had some good teams, but the most we have won in one year in either the NIT or NCAA is one game (if you do not count that 71 consolation game). That is really not too much to hang your hat on in my opinion. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Sun March 20, 2005 00:10:30
    - JoDete, it was even more impressive than that. Only 25 teams were invited to the 1971 NCAA Tournament. The East Regionals had 7 teams, and every other regional had six teams. In each regional but the East, two teams received byes into the second round, and the first round consisted of two games. In the East, one team received a first-round bye, and three first-round games were played. Thus, the first round eliminated nine teams, paring the field down to 16. After winning the East's consolation game, we finished third in the East out of seven teams. Because the Villanova team was later disqualified, we became the Eastern Regional runner-up. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Sun March 20, 2005 08:23:25
      - I thought perhaps it was not a 32 team field yet at that point, but was not sure. Knowing that it was 25 teams instead of 32 does not change how impressive it was though. I know this will insult a lot of people and I am not trying to say that this was not a great team, but I think people on this board make way too big a deal over this one year. I would love for Fordham to honor them b/c, although we should always be proud, we cannot continue to hang on to that one year the way so many here do. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Sun March 20, 2005 09:39:45
- Get in touch with Frank. He will postpone the 35th anniversary for a couple of years, so he can continue to do NOTHING! (NT) -- Former Ram, Sat March 19, 2005 19:27:59
- That's an excellent idea, Dogbite, and, a possible money maker, if handled correctly. The powers that be, would have to get the roundball rollin' right now, if this event is to be properly advertised, promoted, and, presented. A detailed commemorative volume, documenting the 1971 team, with all of its many accomplishments, including: loads o' photos, all the box scores, newspaper articles, player profiles, and, stats, what they did after they left Rose Hill, as well as what they're doin' now, might be put together by the Sports Editor of The Ram. The epic tome could then be distributed to the faithful, for a few bucks over cost, and would be destined to become a collector's item. This forum could solicit possible titles for the project. Let's see if Tubby Tom can really do something positive and productive, instead of walkin' around on campus, with his tail between his legs for the next eighteen months. (NT) -- Bronx Boy, Sun March 20, 2005 04:02:15
  - Bronx Boy, enough with the insults to Tom. Completely unsolicited and uncalled for. Grow up! (NT) -- J�Dete93, Sun March 20, 2005 09:41:36
    - JD, I'm not attackin' Tom, I'm tryin' to give him a way out, give him some credibility, and ultimately, help him salvage his job. I was soliciting feedback re: the concept of a 1971 commemorative volume. Instead of commenting on the suggestion, you chose to murder the messenger and ignore the message. This is reminiscent of your actions at the RHG durin' the game with Duquesne, when we witnessed a "laying on of hands' by "Father Joe". You and your partner in crime, known around these parts, as "The Rose Hill Strangler", may well constitute a danger to themselves and to others, and you have the temerity to advise me to grow up ? That's like the owl tellin' the sparrow he's got a big head ! Admonitions aside, you and RB share a wealth of information concerning the history of the 1971 team. Help Tom in the gathering of this material, and look into getting it published. That's movin' in a positive direction, and will put coin into the coffers. (NT) -- Bronx Boy, Mon March 21, 2005 17:41:32
- Back in 1991, prior to a game at the Garden (perhaps against Dayton), a reception arranged jointly by the Athletic Department and the Alumni Office, was held on the 2nd floor of a bar near MSG to commemorate the 20th Anniversary. I'm sure Julio Diaz will remember and could provide some input. I had the privilege of interviewing Charlie Yelverton (albeit in the bathroom, the only quiet spot in the whole place) for a piece on FUV, and never met a classier individual. (NT) -- D-No93, Sun March 20, 2005 14:12:20
  - There was a reception before the '91 Dayton game at MSG. I believe it was at Runyon's. (NT) -- TrentonRam, Sun March 20, 2005 23:09:10
- It's understandable that current students and younger alums would say "Enough Already!" to us old grads reminiscing about the '70-71 team. Yet, you truly had to be there to understand the excitement which that '70-71 basketball team generated. They had nowhere near the height, muscle, or talent that many of our opponents had; they started off ranked something like 125 in the pre-season polls; but they ultimately played their way into the top ten through sheer guts and hustle. In two successive weeks in '71, they brought 19,500 fans to MSG--first to see us beat Notre Dame and then to see us lose an overtime heart-breaker to second-ranked Marquette. Charley Yelverton captured the City's imagination, holding ND's Adrian Dantley in check in the first game, and alternately covering Marquette's Dean Meminger, and Jim Chones in the second one (as I recall, Charley repeatedly rejected shots by Chones who was a good 10 inches taller). More.... (NT) -- Ram'69, Sun March 20, 2005 14:59:49
  - ....Believe it or not, the noise level in MSG for those games rivalled that in the RHG. Some people on this board ask whether we can capture St. John's supposed position as "NYC's college team." Back in '71, nobody was even talking about St. John's. What they were talking about was how an upstart team of true student-athletes was playing basketball as exciting as the Knicks'--and that during a time when the Knicks were playing championship-caliber basketball. Who cares if St. John's ducks us? It's just one more indication of that program's degraded status. The future belongs to Fordham, if we have the good sense to keep building on what we've achieved so far. Yes, we should honor that '70-71 Fordham team for what it accomplished, and (if we have any class at all) we'll do so next season. But this shouldn't just be an exercise in nostalgia. That team's success should be a model and a challenge to us today--reminding us not just where we've been, but where we can go from here. (NT) -- Ram'69, Sun March 20, 2005 15:45:23
    - A great post. You're right - it makes no difference that St. John's is ducking us. We need to chart our own course & stick with it until we have a program that competes at the highest level year in and year out. The problem we had in not being able to sustain the '71 success was there was no program infrastructure to build on. It was like a house of cards - Ed Conlin recruited the players on a shoestring budget using guile, hard work & charm. Digger came in & made the team into a machine that could beat just about anybody in the country, & NY adopted us as it's "home town team". All of NY was talking about the Rams, from cabdrivers to CEO's. Then Digger left, a bad hire decision was made, the budget remained at the shoestring level, & we had arguably the toughest schedule in the country. It just fell apart. This time we need to make sure the foundation's built & sustained. Fordham can be much better than St. John's - we just need the right leadership & institutional support. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sun March 20, 2005 22:17:48
      - Ram'69 and Rambacker--Excellent posts which show the relevance of Fordham's past to our present and future. Like Digger, Whit knows how to turn a team around, and how to inspire young people. BUT (and this is the million dollar question) will Whit follow Digger's bad example and leave us for a "bigger" program as soon as we've built up a head of steam? Some people (see posts above) seem to think that it is only a matter of time until he leaves Rose Hill for NC State or some such place. (NT) -- Nervous Nelly, Mon March 21, 2005 15:26:16
        
        New York is the biggest stage for success on our planet. If Fordham makes it worthwhile for DW to stay, both from a financial standpoint and in terms of institutional support, there will be no reason for him to leave. And if he still does, if we do those things, the job will be very attractive for another outstanding coach to step in and continue to build on our success. It's all about if Fordham as an institution wants to make it happen. Let's hope Fr. McShane understands that. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 21, 2005 22:30:00
        I don't know DW's inclinations, but I think it's wrong to assume that he's inevitably going to walk out on us. From a distance, it would seem that Fordham is in fact a pretty good fit for him. Located in the basketball and media capital of the world, Fordham is a respected academic university where his no-nonsense approach is appreciated. He doesn't have to cater to "stars" with an attitude, or ride herd on potential felons--as he might have to at some big basketball schools. If DW keeps getting support from the Fordham community; if we pay him what he's worth; and if we provide him the resources he needs, maybe he'll see Fordham not as a stepping-stone, but as a place to have a long and satisfying career. (NT) -- Ram'69, Tue March 22, 2005 18:04:57
        
        Well said. I think that could be a realistic scenario, but we need to start planning for a convocations center fairly soon if it's to happen. As much as I love the old gym, I doubt if he will stick around to play in the RHG for the long term. We need to deal with this reality. He is a big time coach - if we want to compete on the national stage, we need to do this right. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 18:24:44
        
        Right on target. With all the freshmen, DW likes the intimacy of the RHG. Eventually, though, he (and most of us) will want an arena more appropriate to a program on the rise. We should start soon on the planning (albeit long-term) for a new on-campus arena. (NT) -- Ram'69, Tue March 22, 2005 22:26:54
        
        The RHG was an issue when Digger Phelps left Fordham back in '71. After being planned as a major intercollegiate arena, the Lombardi Center was downgraded to what it is today. Digger probably would have left for ND anyway, but the refusal to build a better facility certainly reinforced his decision to leave. Here we are 24 years later, and the RHG is still an issue. I love the place, and I'll admit it is an exciting venue to see a game. But if we intend to be taken seriously on the national level, we must build an arena that is appropriate to that level of competition. Wouldn't it be ironic if the administration's reluctance to build a new gym again contributes to a good coach's leaving us. Will we ever learn? (NT) -- JCC, Wed March 23, 2005 14:01:19
        
        Woops! Make that: "34 YEARS LATER!" (NT) -- JCC, Wed March 23, 2005 14:17:08
        
        It is amazing that it's still an issue today after all this time. History seems to repeat itself at Fordham when it comes to athletics. Let's hope the McShane era is different. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 16:00:04
St. Joseph's vs Texas A&M on ESPNU Tomorrow Night -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 21:36:29 [5]
The A-10's St. Joe's Hawks Take on the Texas A&M Aggies at 8pmET tomorrow night in the NIT Quarterfinals on ESPNU. You must have Direct TV to get the ESPNU telecast.

Go St. Joe's!!

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- I understand the whole "supporting the conference" thing but I have a hard time rooting for Martelli. (NT) -- Fred T., Wed March 23, 2005 10:28:28
  - You are not the only one. In watching their game against Holy Cross the other night I all of a sudden found that I was rooting for HC. It was not intentional it sort of just happened. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 10:57:07
    - is it just me, or does Martelli look like he knows it's 8 against 5 on the floor at any given time (NT) -- Joe, Wed March 23, 2005 15:13:37
  - I rooted for the Hawks in last year's NCAA's, but I find it hard to get excited about the NIT - unless we're in it, of course! (NT) -- Ram'83, Wed March 23, 2005 11:58:35
Beilein's Mother on Syracuse U. -- Drag-less, Wed March 23, 2005 14:37:17 [1]
In the article in today's Times on West Virginia coach Beilein, his mother is described as follows: "Beilein's parents have died, but their lessons still resonate with him. He learned his competitiveness from his Irish mother, who in her later years refused to stay at the Carrier Dome to watch a preseason tournament game. 'The Globetrotters couldn't beat Jim Boeheim in Syracuse,' she snapped at the biased officiating. " Where is our favorite SU poster these days?

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A-10 softball honors -- pats, Wed March 23, 2005 13:32:27 [1]
Good to see that our Lady Rams Softball Team swept the A-10 weekly awards(Player of week, Pitcher of week & Rookie of week) for the 2nd time already this season. With her aggressive recruiting style (3 classes and likely 3 straight A-10 rookie of the years) Coach Baxter has FU softball on the east coast softball map.Good luck in your quest for the programs 1st ever NCAA Bid this year!

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Anyone hear who is the speaker at this years Commencement Ceremony? -- Smoochy, Wed March 23, 2005 00:09:46 [8]
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- It is RAMBACKER (NT) -- The Wram, Wed March 23, 2005 02:10:56
  - Rambacker would put about 8,000 people to sleep very quickly (NT) -- Smoochy, Wed March 23, 2005 10:15:06
    - As opposed to you, who would spend the first hour of the speech trying to figure out sentence structure for the speech. (NT) -- Rambacker, Wed March 23, 2005 11:07:45
- It's John Chaney... (NT) -- Ram It '66, Wed March 23, 2005 08:25:26
- Frank giving his retirement speech (NT) -- Crusty, Wed March 23, 2005 13:28:20
UMass coaching update. Courtesy of the A-10 board. -- bfg, Wed March 23, 2005 08:57:20 [4]
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- Noooooooooooooooo! (NT) -- Gonzo, Wed March 23, 2005 10:08:19
  - Relax, Gonzo, there's still an opening at Louisiana-Monroe. (NT) -- John, Wed March 23, 2005 10:28:22
  - Youngstown state as well. (NT) -- '02 Grad, Wed March 23, 2005 10:52:50
Anyone have season stats for Bethel, Devine, or Phillips? I heard Bethel had a very solid senior season, but it would be nice to see it on paper. -- '02 Grad, Wed March 23, 2005 10:50:40 [1]
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Point Guard recruit -- RAMME, Tue March 22, 2005 21:08:36 [4]
Thought this might be of interest to my fellow Ram fans which was in today's Providence Journal article by Kevin McNamara...
"The Friars may have stumbled onto a steal late in the recruiting game in point guard Craig Austrie of Stamford, Conn. Austrie, a 6-2, 180-pounder, led Trinity Catholic High to a 26-2 record and second place in the Division I playoffs. He owns an eye-popping 80-3 record as a starter and yesterday was named Connecticut's Player of the Year by Gatorade.

Austrie verbally committed to Massachusetts last fall but when Steve Lappas was fired last week, other schools pounced. The Friars have made a strong impression and Austrie will visit PC next week, according to Trinity coach Mike Walsh.

"It's really picked up for Craig," said Walsh. "Providence, UConn and Fordham have offered. He's been a starter for the last three years and plays very under control, is quick and makes good decisions."

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- I know I'll get flack for this, but if UConn offers you a scholarship, don't you take it? (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Wed March 23, 2005 08:03:51
  - It is not that simple in my opinion. There is a good article in ESPN Magazine about two seniors at Rice and the troubles they have gone through with the deaths of their mothers. In that story it mentions that one of them got a scholarship offer to Syracuse, but he chose Rice b/c of immediate playing time and the degree he was going to get. If the offer to UConn involves being 3rd in line which at this point it does then taking it is not a lock in my book. To me there is a lot more to it than just taking an offer from the best team. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Wed March 23, 2005 09:26:53
    - Good points. I just had no idea about the quality of player this kid is and whether or not he'd make an impact. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Wed March 23, 2005 10:16:54
Listening to FAN yesterday and Dennis talking about Knight at Rose Hill with West Point in '71 season; this prompted a call from a '72 graduate about the '71 season and an extended and knowledgeable discussion about that team and the postseason; Francesca particularly emphasized the Marquette game as the highlight of that season; Mad Dog was recounting Charlie's stats in all 3 post-season games,as well as Howard Porter's against us and UCLA. Nice to think we might be able to approach that kind of excitement in the next couple of years. -- whm, Tue March 22, 2005 08:07:08 [11]
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- Sounds like rambacker is becoming a regular on FAN. (NT) -- 1841, Tue March 22, 2005 08:42:37
  - LOLOLOLLOLOLOL- No Dennis is def not Rambacker; I think that's a guy named John, maybe ? pretty wife ? (NT) -- whm, Tue March 22, 2005 09:03:44
  - What's with you 1841-Why are you so eager to identify others and not yourself? (NT) -- Opinionator, Tue March 22, 2005 09:45:29
    - Opinionator= Rambackers alias. He is the only one who jums down peoples throats when Rambacker is mentioned (NT) -- In the know, Tue March 22, 2005 12:12:36
      - JoDete - Do you care to set him straight? (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 12:42:43
        
        Yeah, the accussations are getting old, I know. I can confirm that your IP and the IP of Opinionator do not match. I suspect that you are not the same person, though I cannot confirm that b/c I do not know either of you and as you have said in the past a person can post from more than one place. That was what you used to say about our buddy from Iona when I used to tell you that his IP did not match that of other trolls. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 13:58:41
        
        I can assure you that I have no idea who Opinionater is. Although his point is well taken. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 14:36:00
        
        I never thought you knew him and am confident you guys are not one in the same, but I can only attest to what I know to be a fact. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 15:20:53
        
        As to whom Rambacker and the Opinionator is, I can only speculate as well (NT) -- Opinionator, Tue March 22, 2005 15:39:32
- I heard this conversation on the radio. too and I was at the game. I would have sworn that Bobby Knight was still coaching Army. Unless I am dreaming, Bobby was losing control as we were running up the score(something I never like to see) and I recall Bobby physically picking up one of his players and sitting him down on the bench with an emphatic "thump". It silienced the whole crowd. Shape of things to come for Mr. Knight. Tell me I ain't dreamin (NT) -- RamU'72, Wed March 23, 2005 08:47:08
Gonzo was interviewed by UMass on Wednesday as reported in today's Journal News. Steve Lavin, former coach of UCLA, is also on the Minutemen's list. -- Ram It '66, Mon March 21, 2005 08:22:07 [23]
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- NYPOST is reporting that Matt Doherty leads for Umass and Gonzo will probably withdraw his name from consideration. Also Mike Hopkins leads for Siena job and it sounds as if Stony Brook would be interested in him if he doesn't end up in Albany. (NT) -- joe b, Mon March 21, 2005 10:34:25
- Harsh words for someone who beat your brains in 4 years in a row (NT) -- Philly Hawk, Mon March 21, 2005 15:06:44
  - Who are you replying to? Click on the message you are replying to and then type in your response. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Mon March 21, 2005 15:11:32
- If it is just his personality holding him back it is a shame. Putting aside the Fordham/MC rivalry Gonzo has done well there and deserves a shot at a bigger job. However as other posters have noted last year was the perfect time for him to move on. (NT) -- SIram, Mon March 21, 2005 15:13:05
  - That is very true and despite the rivalry I think many here would be ok with the guy were it not for the antics. As for last year the rumor I heard was that he was at the top of the list at Miami and then tried to use St. John's' interest in him as a way of speeding Miami into a decision and it backfired. Miami consulted with St. John's who said they were not planning on interviewing him and Miami basically told him to get lost. One of Gonzales' big problems seems to be honesty, not that that is necessarily rare in the sports world. Just recently he vowed his loyalty to Manhattan College and then in the last day or two it came out that he intreviewed with UMass just last week. That does not sit well with those at MC, but it also does not help him with his potential suitors. The man can coach and he can recruit, so something else is definitely not working for him. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Mon March 21, 2005 15:25:46
    - One of the best comments about Gonzo is that he is so hyper he makes coffee nervous. Wish I could remember who said it. (NT) -- SIram, Mon March 21, 2005 16:30:53
      - Did Bill Raftery say it during one of the tourney games last year? (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Mon March 21, 2005 17:53:31
        
        Actually the original quote came from Gonzo's ex-boss at Providence - Pete Gillen. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 21, 2005 22:17:53
    - Jo, a mc fan here. I like looking at your board because you guys have great passion, although sometimes over zealous.(arn't we all!) You are right on....BG is a great coach and we like what he has done, but he is all about himself and has the biggest ego of them all! If it wasn't for Bob Byrnes to keep him under control and in check, I don't know where we would be. Byrnes is the best AD in the land and that is who we cannot loose! Bobby will move on someday, but Byrnes all ready has a short list of suitable replacements. You have to remember, MC wins in the MAAC, not just in Basketball, but other s like baseball(No home field) Lax, Tennis(no courts) and so on by getting good coaches and making them better. BG would not be the coach he is today if he did not have Byrnes as a boss. Great to see DW and Fordham doing well and hope yo guys take the A-10 next year( you are just gonna lose the sat after turkey day to the Jaspers) (NT) -- jaspergreen, Mon March 21, 2005 20:52:25
      - You guys are very lucky and should be proud to have Byrnes as your AD. If we had that guy, things would be much different. (NT) -- Ant Hill, Tue March 22, 2005 00:19:59
      - Byrnes has done a magnificent job. Proof positive that you have to be a smart businessman to run a solid athletic program these days. He is the type of guy that could run the athletic department at a major university, but for now he seems to be very content at Manhattan College. Good for him and good for you guys. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 14:38:38
        
        I wouldn't count your chickens about byrnes...we sure do not want him to go, but everyone needs a change. I think he would agree that MC is a tough place, but that is what probably drives him. Good job this year(in basketball) (NT) -- jaspergreen, Tue March 22, 2005 18:17:54
Local HS stars get Garden invite--> Any of you going to watch Bethel? -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 13:12:46 [10]
The regional teams rosters for the Jordan Classic - to be played at the Garden on April 16 - were announced yesterday and include some of the best players in the New York area.

Two games will be played, one pitting the country's elite players against each other and another featuring city vs. suburban players.

Xaverian's Levance Fields was the only local player selected for the national game, but teammate Saiquon Stone was picked for the city team, which will be coached by Xaverian's Jack Alesi. St. Raymond's stars Chris Bethel and Ricky Torres will play for the city, along with Steve McKoy (Frederick Douglass Academy), Drew Gladstone (Cardozo) and Mike Davis (Banneker).

The suburban team, to be coached by St. Raymond's Oliver Antigua, will have Brentwood High's John Garcia, Tyrell Biggs of Don Bosco Prep and Tyrone Hanson and Tyson Johnson of St. Mary's of Manhasset.

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- Id love to see how Bethel plays against Biggs, who in my opinion is overrated. (NT) -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 13:13:39
  - That's because you went to St. Joe's! ;) (NT) -- Ram'83, Tue March 22, 2005 13:22:04
    - Sure did. J.R. Iman wasnt invited though. Biggs isnt too impressive when Ive seen him play. Too bad he was disqualified from H.S. athletics this year and forced his team to forefit the entire season. He will need to cut some weight while at PITT. I think Bethel will hold his own. (NT) -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 14:14:01
      - Why was he disqualified and why did they have to forfeit their entire season? (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 14:35:29
        
        3 good articles on the situation on Biggs -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 16:18:45
        
        Thanks for the articles. I cannot say I agree with the rulings, but rules are rules and therefore must be adhered to. I think NJ may want to look into changing the rule. Perhaps set it up so that once you have entered high school you are only allowed to play 4 years of high school basketball. If a kid is good enough to play high school basketball as a 7th or 8th grader then I see no harm if they do. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 16:31:59
        
        The majority of NJ public schools will vote against changing the rule. The majority of the teams that benefit from these kids who are affected by this rule who are from NY State attend Catholic High Schools just over the NJ/NY boarder. Public schools have always seen NY kids attending these schools as an unfair athletic advantage. They even go so far as accusing them of recruiting. I played football with one of the greatest running backs to play NJ high school ball, Cooper Rego. Rego was from NY State as was half our program. Our program which has been NJ winningest in the past 10 years, has always been comprised of a majority of Ny kids. Public schools find this as a tremdous disadvantage. These kids just want to attend better schools with better athletic programs. Biggs and J.R. Iman would never get the publicity they have gotten if they played for teams that went 5-20 in Rockland County. (NT) -- Smoochy, Tue March 22, 2005 17:09:15
      - As a DBP grad, I've been to a few games over the past few years. I agree, Biggs took a step back, I thought he played much better last year. Maybe it was the added weight, but I think he's a bit of a tweener. He'd probably be better served at a mid-major. (NT) -- Ram'83, Tue March 22, 2005 16:32:52
- The regional game featuring Bethel will start at 5:30pmEST on the 16th. National game follows. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 16:06:18
OK, Time to Extend/Improve DW's Contract -- Rambacker, Mon March 21, 2005 14:56:15 [11]
Ok, let's get going. DW has proven what he can do at Fordham, and it's all good. His current contract must be extended with a substantial raise, bonuses for NCAA appearances, high graduation rates, etc. NOW!!! A college coach needs a minimum of four years(preferably 5+) locked in to effectively recruit. Let's do the right thing and get this done. The blue chippers are watching us now and this is the right time if we're going to grab some.

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- I will second that. (NT) -- RAM71, Mon March 21, 2005 14:58:01
- I'm not adverse to an extension as long as we realize that while it may well help with recruiting, the extension will not tie him down any more that the current contract will. (NT) -- Jimbo65, Mon March 21, 2005 15:01:50
  - Agreed, but it helps for the coach to profess allegiance to the institution in a contract nonetheless. (NT) -- John, Mon March 21, 2005 15:38:28
- Agree that its not possible today to tie a coach down but with a fair bonus and incentive schedule it could make staying at Fordham comporable to other potential jobs. (NT) -- LXRF, Mon March 21, 2005 15:40:28
- If we had a proactive athletic administration at FU we could expect that such discussions have already begun. Sadly, it is the history of our alma mater that a matter like this will be ignored until it is too late and DW has been courted by some other program. Luckily, NC State seems to be putting it all together and saving the job of their coach. I'd sure like to see FU at the very least give DW a two-year extension with a decent raise. If Bob Hill was worth 10 years, why not give DW two more? (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Mon March 21, 2005 17:08:20
  - Two more years is not appropriate. It sends the wrong message to the fans, the media, DW and our recruits. Coaching contracts are more statements to the various basketball constituencies nowadays as opposed to binding agreements, but they are critical to sending the message that Fordham is serious about building and maintaining a successful basketball program in the future. DW should get a 4 year extension with strong incentives for graduation rates, NCAA tournament appearances, etc. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 21, 2005 21:47:48
    - So long as he's doing the job well, DW should always have 4 years left on his contract, as a sign to potential recruits. I believe that was a customary part of Penders' deals. (NT) -- John, Tue March 22, 2005 09:04:12
      - Yes, it is typical to have this as it is difficult to recruit without it. We need to give DW everything he needs to get his players. Plus he deserves it. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 09:23:05
        
        Is a contract with four years left on some sort of rolling renewal typical for coaches in general or more for those at bigger programs? What you say makes sense but I am not familiar with how these guys structure their contracts. (NT) -- SIram, Tue March 22, 2005 12:41:30
        
        Smart AD's structure a coach's contract with automatic rollovers every 2-3 years and have clauses built in for a salary/bonus review periodically so no one can use contract issues against the coach in the recruiting wars. It's more about having a smart AD that uses best practices than just the bigger programs doing this. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 16:20:55
Saiquon Stone: Are we still recruiting him? He had a great season for Xavierian. -- toby, Mon March 21, 2005 16:19:28 [11]
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- I think he committed to Fairfield University (NT) -- Opinionator, Mon March 21, 2005 20:21:05
  - regulars on the fairfield board cannot confirm that committment. He may have verbaled, but there is nothing regarding a verbal on the recruiting sites. I assume, he may not fit our need at this time. (NT) -- toby, Tue March 22, 2005 10:06:56
    - I believe we are no longer recruiting him. Last I heard, he was looking higher than Fairfield. If they get him, it's an excellent signing for Fairfield. The kid can play. Not spectacular, but good. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 11:46:26
      - thanks for the update RB. Do we have a shot with Craig Austrie? We had some representatives watching the state-final this wknd at central connecticut, along with other schools. Would he be able to play the point or split with KA? (NT) -- toby, Tue March 22, 2005 11:53:42
        
        This would be an example of taking the best athlete available. Austrie is a combo guard that is a scorer. We were not on his radar screen prior to this so I would be surprised if we got him. But DW has pulled off late recruiting coups in the past(see Georgia Tech) so it's possible. Providence always seems to come in late and get some of these guys. They are always hovering over late signing opportunities. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 22, 2005 12:14:51
        
        McGrath being one. Although, I think he had a little of a sophmore funk this year. could be wrong though. (NT) -- toby, Tue March 22, 2005 12:39:44
        
        McGrath is a junior (soon to be a senior). We had a good chance of signing him out of high school, but when we were recruiting him he was concerned with getting playing time with Smush and Walton in front of him. Next thing you know, no Smush, no Walton and no McGrath either. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 14:07:29
        
        too much partying at rose hill -- back in the day -- has relinquished some of my off-the cuff memory. thanks for the correction. I do believe he was a late signing for Providence at the time. I think if we lose Lowe -- Austrie would be a great player to sign. (NT) -- toby, Tue March 22, 2005 15:09:40
        and another year later, someone else was gone, too, but I won't mention his name. (NT) -- bfg, Tue March 22, 2005 15:09:46
        
        Something good had to come out of it I guess. (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 16:08:51
The Providence Journal has an article about PC recruiting and it talks about Craig Austrie, it says in the article that PC, UCONN and Fordham have offered since Lappas was fired, also PC is interested in Saiquon Stone. Here is the link http://www.projo.com/pc/content/projo_20050322_22pc.22afa1b.html -- Ram, Tue March 22, 2005 14:09:08 [2]
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- Thanks for the URL, here is the (registration required) link (NT) -- J�Dete93, Tue March 22, 2005 14:32:16
At about 4:30 PM yesterday, I was listening to 1050 radio. Sorry for the lack of details, but I do not know who the host nor the guest were. But they were talking about a Fordham guy driving up to Holy Cross for a basketball game. This Fordham guy apparently couldn't find it because he didn't realize that "Worcester� is pronounced Wuhs-Ster, so he missed all of the signs. The guest laughingly concluded, "that is a fordham education for you." Then he and the host had a few chuckles about it. Maybe I missed the context, but seemed like a low blow to me. Did anyone else catch this? -- d. atkins '02, Tue March 22, 2005 10:40:04 [5]
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- a little hypersensitive are you? (NT) -- bulldog, Tue March 22, 2005 11:13:24
- I heard it and thought it was humorous. Michael Kay, one of our own, was recounting the story about one of the WFUV student announcers missing the exit since he did not know how to spell Worcester. (NT) -- Jimbo65, Tue March 22, 2005 11:37:24
  - No. I am not hyper-sensitive at all. Like I said in the post, maybe I missed the context. And apparently I did. (NT) -- d. atkins'02, Tue March 22, 2005 12:17:44
    - Perhaps the answer is that someone with a Fordham education is expected to be heading for the big time, not for Worcester. (NT) -- John, Tue March 22, 2005 12:48:51

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