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- We Probably Should Have Helped Out. -- Nittany Ram, Thu March 17, 2005 09:04:58 
When I first posted about the Olean article I pointed out what we here suspect are some of the causes of obesity and mental retardation in this area. Tommy certainly saw these characteristics but did not know the reasons for them. Unfortunately, I did not try to give Tommy hints at improvement to go along with criticism. In leading off, I probably took the whole board in that direction. I owe Tommy an apology, and so I do so. Here's a suggestion for improvement. Tommy, call the editor of the SBU newspaper and ask if you can come to Olean next year for the Forham game. Do a column about what SBU basketball means to the community. The SBU editor can help. As I say Bonnies basketball is the only game in town and makes winter a little shorter. During that time you will learn about "Lake Effect Snow", and how hard it is to get visiting teams to play in Olean and Penn State. Also, SBU is having significant recruiting problems due to NCAA probation. There is my suggestion. Please take it and good luck.
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- Article on Fordham tracking Lappas Recruit -- DebataRam, Thu March 17, 2005 08:59:30 
Austrie gave a verbal commitment to attend the University of Massachusetts next year, but never signed a letter of intent. His status is uncertain with the firing of coach Steve Lappas earlier this week.
Representatives from Providence, Rhode Island and Fordham were among those in attendance last night.
full article: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/sports/scn-sa-web3.17.trinitymar17,0,5742051.story?coll=stam-sports-headlines
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- Coaching Candidates at UMass, UVA, Siena -- Rambacker, Wed March 16, 2005 12:04:25 
I'm hearing the following candidates for these open jobs. Interesting to see a couple of former high major Div. 1 coaches in the mix.
Bob McKillop(Head Coach - Davidson)
Tim O'Shea(Head Coach - Ohio U.)
Tony Barbee(Asst. - Memphis)
Tom Moore(Asst. - UConn)
Mike Hopkins(Asst. - Syracuse)
Bill Coen(Asst. - BC)
Mike Brey(Head Coach - Notre Dame)
Dave Odom(Head Coach - South Carolina)
Cliff Warren(Asst. - Georgia Tech/Paul Hewitt connection)
Tom Moore(Asst. - UConn)
MIke Hopkins(Asst. - Syracuse)
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- Is there ever a job for which Bob McKillop is not a candidate? (NT) -- '85, Wed March 16, 2005 12:26:01
- I bet he leaves. Went undefeated in conference (until the tourney) and still denied ncaa bid (NT) -- Opinionator, Wed March 16, 2005 12:31:02
- If I were McKillop I would look to leave also. He played a decent schedule OOC, but only came out with a victory against Missouri to open the season. I think only one solid win and 3 games vs. non DI schools did them in. Their OOC schedule is hard to understand, they have (in no particular order) Missouri, Duke, UMass, St. Joe's, Seton Hall, Charlotte and Princeton which is rather brutal, then you have Georgia Southern (their winnable game) and then they schedule 3 non-DI schools which do not affect the RPI one way or the other. According to those that matter, they finished the OOC 2-7 b/c their 3 wins vs. non-DI schools do not count. (NT) -- JóDete93, Wed March 16, 2005 13:43:18
- Would be interesting to see if Odom goes back to the ACC. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Wed March 16, 2005 12:50:19
- Hobbs just signed an extension through 2010-11. Those don't usually mean anything but he did sign it just 3 weeks ago. (NT) -- Stout for 3, Wed March 16, 2005 13:02:44
- Couple of developments further south. First, Bob Knight has informed the search firm used by the University of Tennessee that he is interested in the job at UT. Nevertheless, I can't envision Knight agreeing to a job where he would play third fiddle to Phillip Fulmer and Pat Summitt. Second, Buzz Peterson has been contacted by East Carolina. IMO, Buzz should not have been fired by the UT AD and would be a great hire for whoever is lucky enough to get him. (NT) -- TNRam, Wed March 16, 2005 13:07:52
- Willamson Update From Denver Post -- DebataRam, Wed March 16, 2005 08:19:08 
Drew Williamson launches 600 3-pointers a week to be ready for a night like Tuesday, a night he would not miss. Williamson's 6-for-6 mark from beyond the arc led Metro State past South Dakota 89-84 and into the Elite Eight.
The Roadrunners (29-3) set a school record for 3-point percentage - .824 (14-for-17) - and the Coyotes were 13-for-23 as both defenses denied the paint at the Auraria Events Center.
With the victory in the NCAA Division II North Central Regional final, Metro advances to the Elite Eight for the fifth time since 1999, meeting Virginia Union in the quarterfinals March 23 in Grand Forks, N.D.
As his players cut down the still-sizzling nets and marked the end of a 17-0 home season, coach Mike Dunlap was bemused.
"I've never been a part of a game that had 3-point stats like that," he said. "I'm not a proponent of the 3-point shot either, so you can tell it wasn't about coaching.
"The X factor obviously was Williamson. It's been a long road for him."
Williamson, one of three Australians on the team, transferred last summer from Division I Fordham University in New York.
"I had differences with the coach," he said. "I saw a better opportunity here, so I took it and I'm pretty happy about it now."
Williamson's accuracy was even more amazing considering the reserve guard made the same number of 3-pointers (six) during the entire postseason leading up to Tuesday - including three Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference Tournament games and two NCAA Tournament games.
"I knew my time was going to come," he said.
Williamson has been perfect before, "but not in a game as important as this one."
In the last two minutes of the half, Williamson made his first two 3s, Keith Borgan broke down the defense for two pull-up jumpers and Metro's defense took care of the rest.
Ben Ortner had four blocked shots, three steals and an impact on Coyotes star Turner Trofholz, who still finished with 26 points and 11 rebounds. Josh Mueller made seven 3-pointers and finished with 27 points.
"We played hard, they played hard," Mueller said. "It was a great game, there had to be a winner and a loser."
Michael Morse, a former Fairview High School star, led Metro with 20 points, Worthington scored 19 and Borgan and Williamson scored 18 each.
The Roadrunners were off their game in the early going. The offense was tentative against the Coyotes' zone and after a series of 3-pointers by four Roadrunners, it lacked efficiency. Some players appeared unsure, and several times poor shots were taken just before the 35-second shot clock wound down.
Uncharacteristically, Metro turned the ball over, and the Coyotes (27-6) had some fast breaks, most of which they did not convert.
Gradually, the Roadrunners' offense gained more decisiveness in the half-court set.
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- Expected Mike Brey to be fired today. Any word? -- Ty Willingram, Wed March 16, 2005 18:38:45 
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- BBall Grad Rates from Today's NY Times -- Jimbo65, Wed March 16, 2005 13:29:01 
Men's bball grad rates for NCAA Tournament teams for scholarship players entering 1994-1997 .
The Saints, Bucknell & Utah State (100%)
The Sinners, LSU & Minnesota 0%
The Catholics, St Mary's 71%, Nova 67%, Niagara 58%, Creighton 55%, Gonzaga 43%, BC 38%.
Other notables UNC 67%, Duke 58%, GW 40%, OK State 11% & Ky 8%.
This was before our demise under the last coach so we probably did okay but I suspect we would be near the bottom for his tenure.
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- The Firings of Gillen and Lappas -- Drag-less, Tue March 15, 2005 15:27:52 
When we hear of coaches "moving up" to bigger programs, we rarely hear that their moving up means someone is moving down. I can remember that Gillen was regarded as the new rising star--the golden boy bound for glory. Not quite at the same level, but Lappas parleyed success at Manhattan into a Big East job and then a prominent A-10 job. When are some of these guys going to begin to see that the Martelli and Chaney career paths have much to recommend them? There is no guarantee of success "at the next level." In fact, only a fool would think that the UVa job is wonderfully attractive. UVa is in the same league as Duke, UNC, Maryland, NC State, and now even BC. Look at Clemson: they do well against the OOC schedule and then get killed in conference. They did pretty well in the ACC tournament this year, but "pretty well" is far from tourney champion. When you take the UVa job, get big bucks quick because you will be fired in a few years.
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- re -- Woody_Grinch, Tue March 15, 2005 15:36:44
- Drag-less, Does this have any relevance to Whit's future? (NT) -- BLT, Tue March 15, 2005 21:01:47
- This is a very good point. Many coaches just want to get to the next level without having a clear understanding of what their "ceiling" is as coaches. Gillen would have been better off staying at Providence or Xavier, as would Fran Fraschilla at Manhattan, etc., etc. etc. DW may be a great example of a guy who will do very well at Fordham but should consider carefully if he should move up to a higher level. It's another example of being careful what you wish for. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 15, 2005 21:45:47
- Osei v Binns.. -- J92, Mon March 14, 2005 21:33:14 
Much has been said about the athleticism of Binns. I was always hopeful he would show more but after the season I came off unimpressed. Rambacker, bfg and others debated earlier about his future role with the team. Given a good recruiting class and the return of Osei from injury, what will his role be in the future?
I ask this because I was actually wishing we had Osei in the GW game and do not feel that Binns will get the needed miutes in the future to be an impact player. Would you play Osei over Binns next year given what we have seen so far?
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- I think Osei can only play mintues at the pf position against the lower level D1 teams we play in OOC play. I don't think Osei's return will effect Binn's minutes. Binn showed some glimpses of basketball skills. I think experience and coaching to improve his awareness on the court will make him better. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Mon March 14, 2005 21:54:36
- Why the comparison between the two players? One is a wing player who is 6' 3", the other is a 6' 7" PF/Wing. Osei is a hard-working guy who improved greatly in the off-season by working very hard on improving his shot and more in the off-season. We could have used him to improve our depth. Binns has played a total of two months of college basketball after recovering from a disc problem(no small deal - an injury that heals gradually) and showed flashes of having talent and skills that will help us down the line. I expect him to work hard in the off-season to improve, as Osei did last summer, and come back in the Fall as a better player. Both players will contribute in their own ways in future seasons. But comparing them as players is like comparing apples and oranges. Everyone should give Binns a break and let him develop. He's coming back from a serious injury. Remember Al McGuire's famous line: "The best thing about freshman is they become sophomores". (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 14, 2005 22:42:34
- The presence of Bethel and Evertson makes this a moot point for discussion. Binns will certainly compete for PT but Osei will drop to about 9th -11th guy on depth chart. (NT) -- digger, Mon March 14, 2005 23:23:15
- RB is correct. Binns (6'7''/ 225) and Osei (6'5"/ 215) are different kinds of ballplayers, but its more like comparin' apples and lemons. Osei is a smarter player, better ball handler, has a good outside shot (although Binns thinks he can drain 'em from downtown), and is more proficient at the charity stripe. With The Moosh headin' back to The Land of Milk and Honey, Binns, while being physically stronger than Osei, will still have to beef up a bit, and play a much smarter inside game, to help out BD under the boards. New ramlets Luke Devine (6'10"/ 235), Demetrius Phillips (6'8"/ 210), Chris Bethel (6'5"/ 210), and BC transfer, Devon Evertsen (6'6"/ 205), will give this young team more muscle than they have had in recent years, with a scoring punch that will surprise many. The team now has depth, and will not run out of gas against top D-1 competition. Coach Whitt has done his homework. (NT) -- Bronx Boy, Tue March 15, 2005 14:00:55
- I am a Fordham student and I know a few people that work on The Ram. It is unconfirmed but I have heard that the editor in chief is very unhappy with the backlash about Cataldos Overtime column and they are considering getting rid of him. Im not positve but it looks like he is on his way out. -- Ram '05, Tue March 15, 2005 17:45:30 
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- That would be unfortunate. The better response would be to have him write a mea culpa. I do think there is some PC backlash going on here though so I hope that whatever disciplinary action is taken it's proportionate to the "crime". (NT) -- DamnRam, Tue March 15, 2005 18:51:13
- The time for the E-in-C to register her unhappiness was when the article was submitted for publication. Being unhappy with the backlash, if that is in fact the case, sounds a day late and a dollar short from the person overall in charge of the publication. Maybe we have a future A-10 commissioner. I don't think many of us want him canned but remonstrated, and it would be a good idea for him to submit an article explaining himself for that article and apologizing for any offense given, be they Rams or Bonnies. (NT) -- Ram '91, Tue March 15, 2005 18:55:51
- Working for a student publication is supposed to be a learning experience. Students will make mistakes, and suffer lapses in judgment. I'm sure Mr. Cataldo will learn from this experience, and emerge a better journalist because of this unfortunate incident. To become sports editor of The Ram requires two solid years of dedication to the newspaper. He's worked hard to get this position. He should not lose what he's worked hard to obtain over one lapse of judgment. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Tue March 15, 2005 19:06:55
- Serving on a student newspaper is a learning experience. Although I was disappointed bigtime in the article, I think it more important that the young man learn from this experience and that he not be fired. As stated above, if the editor in chief passed on the article, a good part of the fault lies there as well. An apology followed by a renewed committment to journalistic quality would be the best solution. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Tue March 15, 2005 19:09:20
- Let him stay. As the one whose post brought this to life I wanted to point out that the young man did see problems affecting our people. I pointed out some of the suspected reasons for the problems. Let him return to Olean or Penn State in a better season than midwinter and he'll have a different take on us. Maybe he'd even envy us (just a little bit!). He stated he wants to return to Olean for the Fordham basketball game again next year. He should do this in conjunction with the Bonaventure student paper. Perhaps he could be a guest columnist and explain that he's sorry for the comments and that now he'd like to write a genuine article on the area and the relationship Bonnies basketball has to the community (it's the only game in town). If he asked the Bonaventure editor, I'd bet he'd be welcome to do so.. (NT) -- Nittany Ram, Tue March 15, 2005 20:01:58
- I too do not want the sports editor fired. If he is fired, then we should open up on the editor-in-chief and ask for an explanation. Unless there are long-standing other complaints about his writing, he should not be fired; he should learn. (NT) -- Drag-less, Tue March 15, 2005 20:26:04
- This is not a situation where the sports editor of The Ram should be let go. Writing for The Ram is a learning experience. I'm sure he has learned a lesson from this - let him go on from here and become a better journalist. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 15, 2005 21:37:28
- I agree it would be wrong to get rid of the writer. Apparently, he hasn't learned to write convincing humor. It's student journalism, and a learning experience. Ram '91 is exactly correct that the editor in chief who approved the article for publication is in no position to mete out punishment. And if you're going to run for the hills every time something published draws criticism, well, then journalism's not for you. Rather than scapegoat someone, the Ram editorial staff should be conferring on how to recover from this one with a bit of style. Maybe dispatch a writer to write about the charms of Western New York; maybe publish a counterpoint (hopefully not a confirmation) from Fordham students who hail from the area. Or maybe run a series of articles on the economic situation in the rural Northeast (it's rough out there). A thoughtful and creative response is needed. (NT) -- John, Tue March 15, 2005 21:41:26
- I highly doubt Tom will lose his position over this. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Tue March 15, 2005 22:20:37
- As I alluded to below: Where was his editor????? (NT) -- RC74, Tue March 15, 2005 22:53:41
- I'm not gonna keep this debate up. The article was not that bad. Better word choice could have been used, but I feel it has been blown out of proportion. The Ram is a fine college publication. The editors do a fine job and represent Fordham well. Even though I have never read The Ram in the 70's and 80's, I feel some of the criticism about how the Ram was so much better back then is unfair and a biased opinion of students of that generation. They should take pride in The Ram during their Fordham days, but I'm sure The Ram ruffled some feathers in those days as well. The present Ram provides a fine caliber of journalism. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Wed March 16, 2005 04:31:25
- Without being disrespectful, this isn't a case of alums wistfully looking at the past. From a journalistic standpoint, the Ram was significantly better then than it is today. The writing was clearer and more professional, as was the choice of what to print. My issue with the Olean column (and it's not worth getting canned over) is that the topic is stereotyped and simplistic -- people in Olean are overweight and slow, and besides, they're not from NYC; gee that's clever. The column is what's called a "throwaway" in the business. That the writer turned it in is unfortunate. That the editors thought it worth running is what makes us believe that the quality of the paper is not what it used to be. If it was heavily edited, I can't imagine what it looked like originally; if it ran as he typed it, well that's your quality issue. I think if any writers for the Ram in the 70s and 80s had handed in piece like this, it would have come sailing back at us in a crumpled ball. (NT) -- 70sRam, Wed March 16, 2005 10:02:11
- Every opinion is by definition a bias but that doesn't mean the opinion is incorrect. It is quite possible that those Ram staff alumni from the 70's and 80's are not only correct, but in a very good position to make that determination. It's an open secret amongst those in higher education that there is rampant grade inflation at the high school level, and that many students are coming into colleges unprepared for what faces them (poor writing and research skills, for example). And yes, this includes students from supposedly prestigious prep schools and elite public schools, and it's being felt at even the nation's top schools. There are many reasons for this beyond the scope of this discussion but it is reasonable to conclude Fordham is not immune from the problem. In fact, I've even seen the problem firsthand in the admissions interviews I've done. (NT) -- DamnRam, Wed March 16, 2005 10:02:14
- A major reason why writing skills of high school students, college students, and recent graduates are not strong is that they have grown up using methods of written communication that value immediacy of expression over accuracy of expression: message boards, emails, instant messaging, and the like. Rules of punctuation, capitilization, and grammar are often not observed when immediacy is the goal. These rules can become forgotten when not applied, or perhaps even never learned completely. When I write on this message board, I try to give some thought to what I'm saying, but I don't labor over it the way I labor over a legal brief I'm sending to a court. And that's the problem. Young writers today not only don't labor over what they write, they've never been taught to labor over what they write. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, Wed March 16, 2005 11:12:12
- Well, like I said i never read the Ram in those days, maybe I'l try to find some to compare it with today. You guys could be right, but as in most conversations about past versus present (and especially me being from the new generation) to me a mentality of "we were better back then", while we tend to see that progress is being made. Both mentalities are not disrespectful but instead a showing of pride in their own work. I know part of the problem is that there was an article that ruffled some feathers in the first issue it was online. I hope you can agree that The Ram is a fine college paper that compares favorably to many other schools(esp the others I have seen) and keeps up Fordham fine tradition .If you don't agree thats fine. Have a Good Day. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Wed March 16, 2005 12:43:11
- Worried Ram, your first sentence is a comma splice. Your second sentence gets lost in too many clauses. You leave out the apostrophe and the "s" after "Fordham." You don't include the apostrophe in "thats" and spell "I'll" as "I'l." And you capitalize "Good Day." (I've left out other miscues.) Beyond that, you begin by saying you never have read The Ram from "those days," but then you say that "we tend to see that progress is being made." So why should I think you know what "a fine college paper" is? (NT) -- Drag-less, Wed March 16, 2005 14:08:14
- This could be a matter of generational pride, or it could be an accurate commentary that what is being produced today is not as well written and edited as it was years ago. Some of the posters here have been working in the media, legal and literary professions for their entire careers and are looking at this situation with very experienced eyes. I'm not saying it definitely is the case that the "elders" are right, but on the working assumption that they are I hope the student staff listens and learns instead of resisting good advice. It can only benefit them and Fordham. The Ram is a good paper - better than some, not as good as others - and there's always room to improve. (NT) -- DamnRam, Wed March 16, 2005 14:31:46
- I love this time of year with the tournaments but also the coaching changes. I don't know if it has been mentioned here but I'm curious to hear what you people think of Arkansas's refusal to accept an NIT bid. I think its a bad example to your players and it deprives your fans of a chance to play on. A coach is supposed to love coaching and the challenge of another game. I also believe that Stan Heath, the AD and arkansas should be banned from the NIT for life. Preseason and Post season. Thoughts? -- joe b, Tue March 15, 2005 11:05:41 
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- Its a wuss move. Also great to decline BEFORE you have even been invited. (NT) -- '85, Tue March 15, 2005 11:27:53
- As a fan, I might be disappointed, but the NIT has obviously fallen in prestige over the years. I don't think declining an invite is an altogether bad thing, because such a move sends a message as to what expectations you have for your team: to play for a national championship each year and a refusal to accept less. However, in certain circumstances, I think the NIT can be extremely beneficial. How much would a bid have helped a young team like ours, offering postseason experience and competition against quality opponents? And the NIT can be used as a stepping stone as in the recent case of GW. Again, I don't think declining is a bad move: it really just depends on the status of your program. (NT) -- RamRunner12, Tue March 15, 2005 12:23:26
- I'm sure Arkansas' lone senior, a local kid from Little Rock, didn't want a chance to play one more time for the home fans. I'm sure none of their underclassmen would have gained a thing by getting some post-season experience. And I assume none of their fans would have been interested in seeing the Razorbacks play another game or two this year. If Arkansas is ticked at not making the NCAA, shafting their players and fans is certainly an odd way to show it. Class act! (NT) -- John, Tue March 15, 2005 12:59:53
- Stan Heath has stated that the reason for not going to the NIT is that his team is physically spent. Having seen the difference in intensity between Arkansas's play in its win over Tennessee a few weeks ago and in its embarrassing thrashing by Tennessee in the SEC tourny last week, I can understand why he would feel that way. (NT) -- TNRam, Tue March 15, 2005 13:29:20
- No athlete can really feel that way. You're crawling home to lick your wounds like a little bitch, that's legitimate? That is a loser's mentality. Go out there a keep working hard and earn respect. "physically spent"? how a bout the teams that keep winning and therefore play more games aren't they physically spent? This sounds like liberal bs. (NT) -- joe b, Wed March 16, 2005 00:24:39
- What exactly is "liberal bs" (sic), and what is it about this one coach's blatant excuse that causes you to think it's similar to your conception of that political philosophy? (NT) -- B.S. Spotter, Wed March 16, 2005 11:11:43
- Arkansas started 13-1, then lost 11 of 15. The last two losses, against an Auburn team that didn't have a starter over 6'5" and a 19 point loss to a sub-500 UT team, were particularly bad. A coach who's accomplished all that Heath has, including a Sweet 16 berth with Kent State, isn't a "loser" and I don't have a clue why you think him a liberal. Presumably, he knows how to motivate his team. If I'm an Arkansas player, I'd be ticked off right now, and I'd come back next year with fire in my belly. Heath understands that and is looking to the future. A likely one-and-out NIT appearance would not have helped instill more toughness in his players, but his tactic should. (NT) -- TNRam, Wed March 16, 2005 13:38:36
- The real reason they did not participate is that their star player has to go to the dentist to have his tooth fixed. I believe his dentist practices in Olean NY. (NT) -- Jimbo65, Tue March 15, 2005 15:38:05
- Ron Ganulin -- '85, Tue March 15, 2005 11:21:41 
Many people on here have lamented the need for a true top assistant since the dpearture of Ray Martin.
Here is a guy that can flat coach, can recruit and has been in NY for many years.
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- What Gives? -- Nittany Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 13:09:34 
The latest issue of The Ram has a scathing article about how bad Olean, NY and Rural Pennsylvania are. Go to http://www.theramonline.com/overtime/ Every time a large continent of visiting fans come to Penn State for football, we never hear the end of how beautiful the drive is. Yes, there are obesity problems here and in Olean, most likely brought about by in-breeding over many years. The incidence of cases of mental retardation is also very high, and has affected two members of my family. I understand the St. Bonaventure pep band is made up of alumni from a nearby high school who get together for the games. St. Bonaventure is not big enough to field a full band. This article is just the kind that could be posted in a locker room to motivate a St. Bonaventure sports team to whip Fordham's butt. The sports editor should have more sense than to write such a disparaging article about Pennsylvania or Olean. He should remember that public safety is a valid concern when visiting Temple, La Salle, GW, and Fordham. People in this part of the country have their faults, but you can visit anyplace without fear of walking out with a knife in your back.
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- I am actually embarassed that "The Ram" would print that article. I always considered "The Ram" to be a quality college publication. Something like this belongs in "The Paper," if that is still around. Olean is a small hick town, no doubt about it, but no need to trash the place in an article in the newspaper. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Mon March 14, 2005 13:52:11
- Man, I remember when The Ram had some standards. How could an article like this get past the editors? It really is an embarrassment. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 14, 2005 14:49:43
- Link (NT) -- JóDete93, Mon March 14, 2005 14:59:17
- Can you imagine what he would have written if he covered a game at Arkansas. (NT) -- Jimbo65, Mon March 14, 2005 15:39:50
- This article clearly demonstrates the wisdom of being careful what you wish for. All of us have been critical of the fact that the Ram wasn't online while there was a link for it on the Fordham web site and the Observer at LC has one. Now that it's online the first article of note to this board turns out to be crass and unworthy of the tradition of either the Ram or The Paper. I saw a similar article in there about the Olympics being "unworthy" of New York. People can have differing opinions on 2012 (I'm uncertain about it myself) and can be unimpressed with some of the corruption in the IOC, but unworthy of New York and taking unnecessary swipes at Olean is elitist, dismissive and snobbish. I guess we have the new Frank Rich in training. (NT) -- Ram '91, Mon March 14, 2005 15:49:23
- This Ram article is a total embarrassment and somebody needs to apologize for it -- fast. This is nothing but pointless garbage that is hurtful to others. I agree that this young man was probably trying to be funny, but instead has made himself look quite the fool on (Rose) hill. (NT) -- Van Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 15:49:45
- Upstate wants to know if this is the best sportswriting today on Rose Hill. I doubt that the name of Cataldo will ever be added to the list of FU writers who went on to make us proud in the pages of the NYT and elsewhere. I'll just dismiss it all as the ramblings of a naive young man who hasn't seen much of the world yet. Still, I wish he'd deep six the attitude. It's that NYC parochialism that gives all NY'ers a bad name. His rip on the weight of others is particularly inappropriate as I looked up his photo and would hardly describe him as a buff hunk at age 20. Let's see what 20 more years do to Mr. Cataldo. I also doubt that his visit to Appleby's is the last time he will be ordering a "table for one". Next, I expect him to write a column explaining why the people of New York (including residents of Olean and Western NY State) should agree to spend $300,000,000 so he can get a West Side Stadium, eliminating his need to go elsewhere for his entertainment. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 16:45:16
- As a WNY'er, I could not agree more. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Mon March 14, 2005 17:01:31
- Upstate Ram is on the money re: the assessment of Tom DeCataldo and his article. Most of this country is not The Big Apple, it is Olean and Podunk, and all the whistle stops along the way (that's why G Dub won the election). Each venue has its particular charm and repulsion. The job of a sports editor is to put together an informative report of a sports event, not emulate Steinbeck's "Travels with Charlie", or in this case, "Travels with Tubby Tom". (NT) -- Bronx Boy, Mon March 14, 2005 17:46:55
- it seems to me that the content of the article has pissed off most of you, but i'm more concerned with the general caliber of writing and presentation. both the title of the column (overtime) and the bizarre orange circle with lines through it (possibly stolen from a geometry text book) are a great indication of how much effort or thought was put into this piece. having mr. decataldo as the editor of the entire sports section is somewhat troubling. reading this reminded me of my own sub-par high school papers. jokes about nascar and fat people sum up the mediocrity of the ram as a whole. as any member of my graduating class will tell you, the only reason to pick up the ram is to check out the security files. for a real laugh, or at least an attempt at some original humor the paper is the way to go. (NT) -- icculus'04, Mon March 14, 2005 18:46:04
- As an 04 grad, you should be happy to know that The Ram as a whole has gotten progressively better, especially sports. Many of you have not read The Ram in recent years, but the increase in the amount of coverage, caliber of content, and the humor involved in the RAMblings section has improved The Ram as a whole. Tom's writing is funny, witty, and his knowledge of sports comes out better than any Ram writer in recent memory. In fact, the sports section after many years of being inconsequential is now a must read for many Fordham students. I have heard many opinions on Tom's article among the student body and I have not heard one negative response to the article besides what is placed on this message board. The consensus was that the article was very funny and guess what LIGHT HEARTED. (NT) -- WorriedRAM, Mon March 14, 2005 20:17:08
- The job of The Ram sports editor is be a jack of all trades. He must come up with story ideas and features, write his own articles, layout the sports section and meet strict deadlines. Today in sports journalism, the movement to add humor and wit into one's writings has made many successful. (PTI and our own Tony Reali!!) So it is his job to write personal opinion stories in the Overtime section like it has been done for many years now in that feature. This semester it has been that way to the delight of the student body and Tom's "cult" like readers. (I hope i wasn't putting anyone's religion down with the "cult" comment) (NT) -- Worried RAM, Mon March 14, 2005 21:51:50
- I know Tommy very well, and he has written many great articles for the Ram in his time. He typically writes 3-5 articles in the Sports section per week. He is a very good student, and also a solid basketball player himself. While some of his comments are unable to be defended, I think we are taking this article a little to serious. I think a good bit of this article was to be taken as a joke. I have been to all parts of Upstate NY, and as a native of PA, I have traveled extensively throughout that state as well, and will agree with him that there are areas that quite interesting, but do serve a purpose for this country. I think there are much greater tragedies than this in the world, and as Tommy's young writing career starts, he is going to make some mistakes. It is better to make those mistakes while writing for the Ram instead of a large publication. Keep writing Tommy, I enjoy reading your stuff, as do many other graduates and current students. Thanks for the guest passes. (NT) -- Ram04, Mon March 14, 2005 18:05:04
- "The snow was falling heavily on the hills of Olean.............." (NT) -- Lookuz Oberz Butt, Mon March 14, 2005 18:09:38
- The article is not funny; it's just boring. It attempts to make stereotypes into news. Just what are "the suburbs of Western Pennsylvania?" And the Sports Editor needs to learn a thing or two about punctuation and spelling. Fordham grads expect Fordham students to write intelligently. When they don't, they should be criticized. What's this garbage about not criticizing a Fordham student? Just ask a Fordham basketball player about criticism. Huh? (NT) -- Drag-less, Mon March 14, 2005 21:04:38
- The basketball team faces criticism on their play and the decisions they make on the court and at the same time praised for their great play. I know there is very little criticism in regard to the basketball team's looks like the criticism Tom has faced. In fact i don't remember any criticism in that regard to a present player and if it gets posted Jodete takes it down. Tom has been wrongfully criticized about things that have nothing to do with his writing. If you say "I didnt not like the article. I was offended" then fine, that is your right, but to personally bash him is wrong and I will not alllow those attacks to be posted without a proper rebuttal. And if you think his writing was not intelligent and witty than I am sorry you do not agree with the sense of humor of many of the student body. I definitly won't be sharing mozzarella sticks with you! (NT) -- Worried RAM, Mon March 14, 2005 21:17:34
- I agree that Tom should not be criticized for his looks, but you appear to be responding to me. (CF., your first sentence, the positioning of your response with reference to mine, and your threat about mozzarella sticks.) Where did I attack his looks? In fact, I offered several substantive criticisms of his writing. Others criticized the writing as in bad taste. It's also biased against gay people, in case you hadn't noticed the remark against Melissa Etheridge. Just where do you disagree with my criticisms? You're arguing with the wrong person. In fact, your response is obtuse because it seeks to categorize all of the criticisms as ad hominem criticism of Tom. That's not true. In fact, his whole article is ad hominem criticism of people in rural NY and PA. (NT) -- Drag-less, Mon March 14, 2005 21:33:20
- Marcus Stout is ugly, as is most of the team. (NT) -- buster, Tue March 15, 2005 02:48:13
- I cant believe what is happening here. A person makes a joke about his travel to another city to gain nothing but laughs from his readers and people are getting the pitch forks and torches out and doing everything short of comming to his room to assault him. I also cant believe the people who have nothing intelligent to say (probably CBA) still post messages attacking the looks of the editor... the looks??? This is blown way out of proportion and people need to take it for what it is... a joke, a editorial thats supposed to be a funny story about a road trip not an assult on the town or the people. It was funny, it was well writen...So RELAX (NT) -- DAN, Mon March 14, 2005 21:10:31
- Tom is a Great Editor -- Ram06, Mon March 14, 2005 21:17:33
- I'm not buying the "he's a great guy" defense. Those in the "I know Tommy personally" crowd can't really be objective (try getting on a jury anywhere with that line) -- I just know what I see, and what I see is poorly written, small minded, mean spirited (at least in appearance), and definitely stereotypical. And maybe the most damaging aspect of this article is -- and some of you won't like this -- there are more than a few who feel that colleges like Fordham are inhabited with nothing but a bunch of spoiled, rich student brats who care about nothing except themselves. Think about this article and it's not hard to see why there are those who feel this way. Whether or not he was trying to be funny this was a bad article, and it reflects badly on the university. Hopefully it's just an abberation. (NT) -- Belmont Juice, Mon March 14, 2005 21:36:11
- Neither publication is really worth reading - explanation INSIDE. -- RamRunner12, Tue March 15, 2005 00:11:49
- In case the last post didn't go through -- JP, Tue March 15, 2005 00:52:38
- My apologies on the 2-week comment. I got the days of the week mixed up and thought that February 23, the day the University issued the press release, was a Tuesday, which I understand to be your deadline nights (in that case it would have made it eligible for that last February issue). I look now and see that it's a Wednesday. But nevertheless, why didn't that story hit in the next issue? Citing midterms is an extremely weak excuse: you had an issue of The Ram come out on March 2nd or 3rd, did you not? There were stories in that issue, were there not? You were taking precious time away from studying for midterms, regardless. You simply didn't spend that time on the biggest news to come out of Fordham this semester, because, it seems, you missed it. There are no excuses for that. (NT) -- RamRunner12, Tue March 15, 2005 10:00:19
- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36524-2005Jan25.html. This is a url of a Tony Kornheiser column that was written about Jacksonville during the Super Bowl. I don't believe he caught any flak for this article and nor should he, but it's kind of about the same theme Tom wrote about. TK does not have pleasant things to say about Jacksonville. I don't mean to keep beating a dead horse with my defense of Tom nor do I think my continued defending of Tom is necessary, b/c I truly feel he did nothing wrong, but I thought it was an interesting article that I remembed reading a couple of months ago. And I do hope we could end this discussion about Tom and move on to discuss his future columns and articles in a sophisticated and non hurtful manner. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Tue March 15, 2005 00:57:57
- I told you! I told you! Fordham can't even publish a student newspaper without screwing it up, let alone run a basketball program. As I said before, Syracuse respects the Bonnies. You'll never get Syracuse's respect by insulting the good people of Upstate New York. Don't forget you love in the Bronx. We'd have to wade through the scum of your city just to get to your campus. Why don't you just try to play basketball and shut up? (NT) -- SU, Tue March 15, 2005 09:04:49
- You must have some kind of job if you can afford to spend your time posting on a Fordham message board as a syracuse fan.You must be the Executive V.P. of Cow-Tipping for Upstate New York. I can tell though that your social life must be non-stop fun. I didn't realize there was such a pride in Upstate New York either but I guess even you guys need something to be proud of. (NT) -- NYCFOR, Tue March 15, 2005 09:36:08
- You have told us nothing. Fordham didn't screw up its student newspaper - a student writer wrote an article which was inappropriate and he got criticized. You see, at Fordham we have this concept of personal responsibility which I know is foreign to you and your basketball program. Regarding Syracuse's respect, why do you think that has any value to us? Did you mean to say "you live in the Bronx" or "you love in the Bronx"? As for wading through scum to get to RH, may I suggest you drive to Fordham instead of trying a messy amphibious landing as you appear to be suggesting? Regarding your suggestion we should playing basketball, unlike at Syracuse we are able to play and talk simultaneously and still not get arrested or suspended. You should try that sometime. (NT) -- DamnRam, Tue March 15, 2005 09:44:13
- We "love in the Bronx"? That Syracuse education keeps jumping up and biting you, and in a big way. (NT) -- Rambacker, Tue March 15, 2005 09:47:06
- This thread is way too long to keep a good track of. If there is anything you feel should be deleted please email me by using the contact Forum Admin link provided above. The moderators will review the requests and delete things as they see fit. My personal opinion is that the personal attacks against the writer are in poor taste, that said, he opened the door when he insulted the people of PA and Western NY. There are many posters here from those areas so I would not be surprised if they took some of his attacks personally. (NT) -- JóDete93, Tue March 15, 2005 14:59:28
- Ona a side note, I went to the Fordham website to check on The Observer (remembered that they had something on the LC expansion a while back), clicked the link provided, by Fordham, mind you, and it came up that the domain name expired on 3/01/05 and is pending renewal or deletion from Network Solutions. They get one paper online and lose another. Kind of like Seinfeld, always come up even. Anyone know what the story is here? I can't believe they would just let it go poof like that unless they had another web address for the publication. (NT) -- Ram '91, Tue March 15, 2005 17:16:44
- I couldn't have said it better myself. Come on over to Morningside Heights, we have a band scholarship waiting for you, but I don't think you're going to get on Donahue. (NT) -- Andy Hao, Tue March 15, 2005 19:38:21
- The "big story" hit the Bona Board about two hours ago. -- Van Ram, Tue March 15, 2005 12:38:08 
I'd follow Basketball anywhere ... except Olean -- JAC, 10:31:23 03/15/05 Tue  (18.104.22.168)
Nice article on SBU and Olean from the Fordham student newspaper!
I got into Olean about three hours before the game so I decided to grab a bite to eat at a local Applebees, harmless enough. Or so I thought. I proudly requested a table for one, at which point the waitress remarked, “Are you really here by yourself? That is so sad.” I smiled, and thought “Do you really live in Olean , that is so sad.”
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Well, aside from this young man being totally ignorant on a number of levels, his story was very poorly written. Also, I got a kick out of his dig at the "obese" people in Olean. If you checked out his picture, it's easy to see that this young man hasn't looked in the mirror recently. (NT) -- The Ghost of Kenny McFarland, 11:42:45 03/15/05 Tue (22.214.171.124)
This guy is a journalism major? What was the point of his story? It sounded something like, "I am from Westchester or Fairfield County and I live a pretty pampered and priviledged life. Whoa are those poor people in Olean. My team finally has a winning record after 15 years." What a shmuck! (NT) -- Bona93, 12:22:38 03/15/05 Tue (126.96.36.199)
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- Fordham newspapers -- JoltinJoe, Tue March 15, 2005 07:51:48 
After the extended debate about a column in The Ram, I found myself wondering if working on the Fordham newspapers today is much different than when I worked on one years ago. When I worked on the paper, the technology we used to put the paper together was far below standards at the time. We had no spell check, for example, an essential feature given the enormous amount of material the editors had to review in a short time frame. Further, we had to manually correct print errors, meaning that although we often caught typos, as well as syntax and grammar errors, many of our corrections were still waiting to made when the printer came to take the paper away. We had no active faculty advisor, which meant we had little professional guidance. Our "teachers" were fellow students who were no more schooled in journalism/layout than we were (Contrast that with the traning given at WFUV). Also, without significant input from a faculty or professional advisor, the content of our paper was formed exclusively by the judgment of students, and sometimes we made poor judgments (which is all Mr. Cataldo's column was). Because of the obsolete technology, we spent all nighters getting the paper together, which caused us to miss classes the next day. I remember Fr. Finlay, in an interview session with student journalists, blasting the errors he frequently found in our papers. Our representative invited him to spend a night with us, so he could see for himself why mistakes were so prevalent in our papers, but he of course declined. I suspect that if Fr. Finlay saw the substandard conditions under which we worked, he might have directed a major investment to improving our work conditions. I can't speak for the situation today (can someone?), but be aware that the quality of the Fordham newspapers is directly tied to the level of the university's commitment to the resources available to the student journalists. In my day, that commitment was lacking, and I suspect the situation is not much better today. The contrast between the work conditions at Fordham, and at a professional newspaper, became manifestly clear to me when I worked, for a period of time after graduation, at a newspaper. After my experience at Fordham, I marveled at what technology was generally in use at the time, and not available at Fordham. In the end, if Fordham wants first-rate student publications, it must make the investment in technology, and in professional oversight and guidance.
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- Your story about Fr. Finlay and the school papers was pretty much repeated at WFUV through the late '80s as well. Only heard from the "pros" when something went wrong or they wanted something. (NT) -- Ram '91, Tue March 15, 2005 09:36:00
- We managed to deliver a professional quality newspaper twice a week in the early seventies without a teacher looking over our shoulders. Secondly, we didn't need a spell check. (NT) -- GMeagherFC74, Tue March 15, 2005 09:51:34
- The criticisms about The Ram's technology is still a valid one today. The support for The Ram needs to be improved. There are often problems with the company that prints and delivers the paper as well. (NT) -- Worried RAM, Tue March 15, 2005 10:21:27
- Here's an idea that I'd like your opinions on. Making The Ram an independent corporation and moving it off campus, just like the Harvard Crimson does. There would be drawbacks such as less funding from Fordham, but it might also encourage more independence, professionalism and focus on broader community (similar to FUV). Okay, fire away. (NT) -- DamnRam, Tue March 15, 2005 10:35:27
- I'm going to agree with you, then disagree, JoltinJoe. I have to believe my Ram articles and those of my contemporaries in the late 70s were more professionally reported, written and composed than what I've read in that paper over the past 10 years. I don't think it's just vanity or nostalgia; I think our product was a good one back then. However, I think what appears in the Ram now pretty much mirrors other college papers. Over the past 10 years, the entry-level people I've hired show pretty miserable writing skills, even though most were journalism majors and had some experience. My point is that the problem is not specific to the Ram -- not that that makes it OK. (NT) -- 70sRam, Tue March 15, 2005 10:38:11
- As an example, I worked as a reporter and sports editor for the Jamesonian at Bishop Loughlin Memorial High School. Then in the summer before my senior year the good Christian Brothers sent me to a month-long journalism training course at Catholic University of America before I became Editor-in-Chief . So in my day, students were trained in high school. One of my fellow editors at Loughlin, Steve Zipay covers sports media for Long Island's Newsday. (NT) -- GMeagher FC74, Tue March 15, 2005 11:47:20
- The Ram -- PhotoEditor81, Tue March 15, 2005 20:27:48
- In case anyone was wondering, The Ram usually prints, and always accepts letters to the editors about articles. The email address is firstname.lastname@example.org -- RamFan, Tue March 15, 2005 23:37:59 
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- MJ Armstrongs -- ant hill, Tue March 15, 2005 23:16:16 
Its important that this bar has become the offical Rams bar in NYC.
As the years go by, sometimes we forget but Mike Armstrong was a terrific guy that was the quintessential Ram . He had an even handed demeanor and was as nice a guy as I ever met. I hope all new Rams are aware of the etiology of MJ Armstrong's name. Tragically, yet fittingly,at the time of his demise he had a post on here that was still up for several weeks after 9-11.
Guys like this are what we are all about. Its refreshing that we have a coach like DW that respects our history.
Now that season is over and was such a smash success its good to reflect on meeting guys like Mike Armstrong and remembering what we are all about as Rams.
It was a classy move to put that plaque on the seat . What an honor.
Hopefully, 100 years from now, it will be like Pete's Tavern and the history of MJ Armstrong's will continue.....
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- DW's WFUV Interview Highlights -- Rambacker, Sat March 12, 2005 15:17:04 
On the most important thing that happened this season: "We brought hope to Fordham fans that we can beat any team in our gym"
On next year's schedule: "We've been in touch with Kentucky and Syracuse. We also play some touugh teams in our Virgin Islands Tournament - Georgia, etc. We're having trouble scheduling local teams because now that we're pretty good no one wants to play us".
On a new arena: "Every coach wants to play in a nice arena. We are certainly behind in this area - it would certainly help us if that could happen in the future. We can't schedule guarantee games because of our home facility - it forces us to play some very tough games on the road. I do expect that our fans will pack the RHG for every home game next season. We need to do what Coach Gregory does at Dayton - schedule 6 guarantee games at home and play 4 tough OOC high-profile games. That happens with a nice arena."
On Devon Evertson: "He's a 6' 8" athlete who can score and will help us. He can also help us defensively."
On Stout: "This is a kid that is so competitive that he didn't sleep all night after we lost to GW. I need 12 guys like that".
On Mushon: "Congrats to him on making the A-10 All-Academic Team. We'll be able to replace him physically but what he brought to us mentally will be harder to replace".
On March Madness and our team: "I asked all our players to sit down and watch the 'NCAA Selection Sunday' show on CBS tomorrow and visualize Fordham being selected to play in the NCAA Tournament. Because that's what our goal is - to make it to the Sweet 16 or better in the future".
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- Willard @ HC says the same thing about the difficulties of scheduling - would seem to insure that the FU/HC rivalry will continue (NT) -- hvsader, Sat March 12, 2005 17:30:06
- Coach W's comments on scheduling were a bit surprising given what he said in the Cincy Post earlier, but I think it helped confirm that what was said in the Cincy Post was selective and did not reflect DW's entire thoughts on scheduling. He feels we should schedule enough winnable games, but at the same time include a few games vs. marquee opponents. I think using Dayton's schedule from this season as an example makes sense. They had 8 home games to 3 away games. They lacked a truly "marquee" opponent, but you have to like the # of home games and their OOC SOS of 42. (NT) -- JóDete93, Sat March 12, 2005 17:34:31
- Also said that he considers Dunston one of the top forwards in the country, and hopes that team continue to double him because Fordham will take advantage of that, and Dunston's going to get his points anyway. I think Fordham has the potential to shock the college basketball world next year. (NT) -- JohnG92, Sat March 12, 2005 17:53:38
- I'm sorry that I missed the interview although I had a good excuse as I was at our local St. Patrick's Day Parade. I love reading these comments b/c I'm proud to be a Fordham fan everytime I do so and see the passion of DW and his players. (NT) -- bfg, Sat March 12, 2005 21:35:57
- Just wanted to point out that I felt your quote of DW regarding the new arena is a bit out of context, Rambacker. I, for one, am not a supporter of a new arena - not for several years, at least. DW said essesntially that a new arena would be nice, but that was just one facet in running a basketball program at the highest level. I think our in-house problems should be addressed before we take on the idea of a new 7,500 seat arena for the 2,500 fans we typically draw. And I think Whitt would agree. (NT) -- RamRunner12, Sun March 13, 2005 22:47:30
- I have a quick question and I apoligize if this has been answered before. Since it seems to me that 9 out of 10 "people who care" meaning alumns and current students who care about our athletic program have a major problem with Frank and the job he has done why is he still in that position? I know everyone asks this question but there must be a reasonable answer. Is his relationship with the O'hare and McShane that strong, or maybe he has deep connections with a few major donors? I am not looking for people to dump on him there seems to be enough of that, but I am looking for a real answer or atleast a guess as to why he has been able to hang around for so long. I just cant imagine that there isnt a reason that might make some sense. Please dont read into my question even an ounce of support for Frank. I look forward to the responses. I apoligize to those who are sick of this topic. -- Walsh 103, Mon March 14, 2005 10:34:26 
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- It is truly the most vexing and in my opinion, divisive , subject that has perplexed all of us for many years. It started with Penders departure, continued with the Patriot League fiasco, included a long history of losing records in nearly every sport and culminated in the Bob Hill nightmare. Its simply unfathomable that the guy still has a job. Its been beaten to death but nobody can really figure out why. I would venture a guess that its the AD's realtionship with a few heavy hitter donors. (NT) -- '85, Mon March 14, 2005 10:51:18
- After you've been in a job long enough you become an institutional fixture. Through sheer longetivity you build up enough friends and visibility that short of an outright scandal you are able to weather any political storm. Also, if the Administration needs someone to take the fall for their own ambivalence about athletics funding, you get a mutually beneficial co-dependent relationship. The Administration gives Frank job security and let's him get away with chronicly uninspired management of the AD, Frank keeps the AD clean (no St. John's or Syracuse type scandals) and takes the political hits for the Administration on all matters pertaining to athletics. (NT) -- DamnRam, Mon March 14, 2005 10:52:54
- Athletic excellence is not a priority at FU. As long as the overall program is scandal free and the student athletes graduate at a good rate, the academic mission is successful. Athletic excellence is not demanded or I suspect even expected. Therefore given these parameters,the AD is viewed as successful. I don't know if Fr. McShane shares this view of athletics(we will soon find out) but until athletics are included as an integral part of the Univ. overall mission and excellence is demanded, nothing will change. Good coaches will occasionally arrive, succeed and then move on to more high profile programs. If not for the Herculean efforts of some devoted alums, imagine how bad it would really be. It has been this way for the 40 years I have observed the program. (NT) -- RamBam67, Mon March 14, 2005 11:37:10
- Right on the money, RamBam67. Frank is exactly what Fordham has wanted in an AD. That's why I object to the personal attacks on him. He has been the employee that the admininstration has wanted. There is no mystery at all about it. (NT) -- Drag-less, Mon March 14, 2005 12:34:48
- Frank has done a horrendous job. If Fordham were shorting the athletic budgets I might agree but the budgets are very competetive. Frank's attitude turns off most decent human beings. You want a fall guy in that job then you could have one that is nice to the alums and treats people with respect. That is not the case here. Frank should be kicked out onto Southern Boulevard for his demeanor alone, notwithsstanding his performance issues. (NT) -- ant hill, Mon March 14, 2005 18:13:28
- As for "we will soon find out" about Fr. McShane's inclinations, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting to see how athletics fit into the Strategic Plan. I think it's already pretty obvious that Fr. McShane couldn't care less about sports, and doesn't see the athletic program as being in any way critical to the university's institutional progress. A friend of mine who teaches at the University of Scranton said not to expect anything from McShane in this regard. McShane's interest is in seeing Fordham become the intellectual center of American Catholicism, and having scores of undergraduates win prestigious fellowships. Despite his BC connections, he is very much in the tradition of past Fordham presidents who de-emphasized athletics. He is savvy enough not to antagonize alums by any further downgrading of the program, but we can forget about any real upgrades. I suspect that Frank will continue to serve in his dual role as lightning rod and figure-head as long as he wants. (NT) -- JCC, Mon March 14, 2005 21:28:39
- I disagree with your statements. I happen to know that the strategic plan that is being conducted includes an in-depth look at our athletic program and how it should be positioned to support our future institutional mission. Basketball will be the centerpiece of our athletic program, in my opinion, and will be positioned to compete on a national stage. Our AD's future will fall into place according to his ability to manage a program at that level. You can come to your own conclusions related to that. (NT) -- Rambacker, Mon March 14, 2005 23:00:02
- I concur, Rambacker. McShane supports sports as part of the Jesuit educational tradition. I have heard as much from his very mouth, though he also acknowledges that it is unlikely for us to reclaim our former glory in football, becase he believes New York is not a huge college sports town (a sentiment I agree with in large part, being from the Midwest and having seen first-hand what "college sports towns" look like). That said, he has indicated a belief that we can and should be competitive in basketball. Above all, though, he said he would like Fordham to find a "niche sport" which is immediately called to mind when our name is mentioned. (ie. Johns Hopkins - Lacrosse). Personally, given our tremendous history (gold medals, World Records, etc) nice location, and financial situation, I think we could and should make Track & Field that niche sport. Yup, just objective reasoning there, no personal feelings at all... (wink wink, nudge nudge) (NT) -- RamRunner12, Tue March 15, 2005 00:44:17
- Very few people care about Track & Field except the participants and a tiny group of enthusiasts. Rather than upgrade this boring, no-interest sport, I think Fordham should abolish it. Villanova had world-class T & F athletes over a period that lasted several decades, but it was BASKETBALL that ultimately put 'Nova on the map. If Fr. McShane wants a "niche sport," it should be basketball. It's disappointing, though, that he seems indifferent to the progress that our football program has been making over the past few years. Who's to say that NYC couldn't become a good college football town again, as it was back when Fordham and NYU were riding high. Boston College seems to do pretty well attracting fans, despite considerable competition from the Patriots. (NT) -- Track-less, Tue March 15, 2005 21:41:31
- The only possible difference now is that it has been well established that an outstanding Div. I basketball program raises the number of applications (especially from males) and improves the quality of the undergraduate student body. Basketball is actually a cheap way to improve academics. Look at Duke. It was a good university in the 60s and 70s; now it's an outstanding university. Georgetown is an even better example of the same movement in perceived academic quality. (NT) -- Drag-less, Tue March 15, 2005 06:37:53
- Clarification? -- B. Mann, Tue March 15, 2005 15:40:49 
Hate to ask again, but does someone have the definitive word on what eligibility remains for each of the returning 2005-6 hoopsters? Also, are we going after a point guard or a big man with the remaining scholarship...if indeed we are going to use it this year at all? Thanks.
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- Gillen Out at Virginia -- Rambacker, Mon March 14, 2005 23:10:34 
Pete Gillen was fired today as head coach at Virginia. UVA AD Craig Littlepage mentioned Tubby Smith and Mike Brey as candidates he may pursue. Siena reportedly wants Gillen to replace Rob Lanier but Gillen was quoted as saying he would be "taking some time off".
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- I always find it amusing when schools throw these guys out there for these jobs, like every job is UCLA hoops or Notre Dame football. Exactly why would Tubby Smith leave UK where he wins the SEC every year and is huge, to go to Virginia where he has to be in a league with Duke and North Carolina, two programs he can never eclipse in the long-term? If you believe in top 25 and top 50 wins, ND got shafted again, but Brey is a decent coach, though I think he has always underutilized Torin Francis. Gonzalez would do well there but he'll probably go to UMass, and UVA wouldn't want him to replace his mentor. The A-10 could replace 1 coach who is fun to beat with another. (NT) -- Stout for 3, Tue March 15, 2005 00:08:50
- Travis Ford to UVA. UMASS may pull a shocker here, don't be surprised if Tom Pecora ends up there. How the heck can St. Francis fire ganulin? A shoe string budget the guy wins all the time, what a travesty, he is a great coach. (NT) -- ant hill, Tue March 15, 2005 00:30:33
- Who the heck is Travis Ford? (NT) -- JóDete93, Tue March 15, 2005 07:05:35
- Ron Ganulin: What a disgrace. St. Francis has not even a shoestring budget, they don't even have the wax for the shoetrings. Somehow this guy pulls out 15 wins every year and gets players. Terrible by decision by St. Francis. I'm hearing Pecora might be headed to UMASS, the guy is a hell of a recruiter. Mihalik would do a great job there too. (NT) -- '85, Tue March 15, 2005 09:06:55
- Are you referring to Joe Mihalic from Niagara? If so, he's not leaving that program anytime soon. His family really likes WNY and he turned down the position at his alma mater LaSalle last year. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Tue March 15, 2005 09:22:31
- absolutely right '85. no one has had to make chicken salad out of chicken droppings like ganulin has. St. Francis has one of the five worst gyms in Division I, no campus or campus life to speak of, no reason for anyone who is recruited to play anywhere else to go there, yet he turns out competitive teams and gets good kids regardless. he'll get a way better job than that next... (NT) -- FU91, Tue March 15, 2005 13:47:39
- I've got to agree. Ganulin made something from nothing at St. Francis. The next coach will probably realize what a difficult job St. Francis is. (NT) -- Ramfan, Tue March 15, 2005 19:27:40
- What about Bobby Gonzalez, who was an assistant at UVA? Or has Manhattan's lackluster year taken him out of the running? Gillen's a NYC guy (I remember him coaching Brooklyn Prep years ago, but then again, I'm old). He might be the "name" Stony Brook is looking for, or a candidate for Hofstra, if Pecora leaves. Also coached in New England, so maybe UMass? Agree that Ganulin's firing was a joke. Siena, SB and other programs should run, not walk, to get him in for an interview. (NT) -- John, Tue March 15, 2005 07:38:26
- A year ago, after the season ended, there were a couple of player who left the program and certain posters who were close to those players came on the board to tell us what a bad coach DW is. I don't know about the other posters, but I wonder where this year's recap is from those posters (TWB, etc.). I'd like to hear their take on things. -- bfg, Mon March 14, 2005 16:15:09 
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- Why on earth would we want to invite TWB et. al. back to spew venom about DW, his style of coaching etc.? The fact that they have eclipsed into the winds of the history of this board speaks volumes about their agendas and concern for the welfare of Fordham basketball. I say let sleeping dogs lie. (NT) -- West Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 16:21:57
- You'll never hear from them again, unless the program falters down the road. If you do run into them in a restaurant, you might order them a plate of crow. (NT) -- Upstate Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 16:46:55
- Maybe Tom from Bayside will represent that viewpoint? (NT) -- RAM71, Mon March 14, 2005 18:10:38
- I have moved on... Just as everyone else has. Whit coming to Fordham has turned out just fine for everyone. Fordham had a great rebuilding year. Rock and Mush had great seasons as leaders of this team and its a credit to these two great guys. Blackgrove's school is in the Tourney, not bad for that "less than average" school across the river. Williamson's D2 team seem to be doing well, looking at a national D2 title and have Arizona as a scheduled game next season. Everything worked out the best for all parties. Lets just let our opinions for those concerned rest under that fact. (NT) -- TWB, Mon March 14, 2005 21:31:15
- NY News' Golden Anniversary Team -- GMeagher74, Mon March 14, 2005 15:22:33 
The Daily News had a feature today on the local colleges all-star teams over the last 50 years. The Fordham team included Ed Conlin, Charlie Yelverton, Jim Cunningham,Kenny Charles and Tommy Sullivan. I can't argue with any of the selections except I would have found a place for my erstwhile suitemate Darryl Brown.
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- Pitino Lobbying Hard for Gonzo -- Rambacker, Tue March 15, 2005 09:56:58 
As he has with other schools(Miami, etc.) for the last several years, Louisville Head Coach Rick Pitino is lobbying hard behind the scenes with UMass trying to convince them to hire Bobby Gonzalez as head coach. Gonzalez served as an assistant under Pitino at Providence.
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- Not true, Gonzalez was an assistant under Pete Gillen at Xavier, Providence, and Virginia between 93-94 and 98-99. Pitino was at Providence for the 85-86 and 86-87 seasons. Gonzalez never coached with Pitino, the two just became very friendly I believe during the 5-Star Basketball Camp and Gonzo considers Pitino his mentor but they didn't coach together at Providence or any other college. (NT) -- Stout for 3, Tue March 15, 2005 10:44:12
- Search committee has been formed. "The advisory committee includes five senior athletic administrators, UMass trustee Bob Sheridan, booster club director Ron Nathan and Ernest Allen, associate chairman of the Afro-American studies department." "Among the names that have surfaced early are former UMass player Tony Barbee, now an aide to former UMass coach John Calipari at Memphis. UConn assistant Tom Moore and Manhattan coach Bobby Gonzalez are also being mentioned as potential candidates." URL to this article is inside. -- DamnRam, Tue March 15, 2005 14:44:36
- SECOND TEAM SAILING RESULTS -- Joe S. ' 58, Mon March 14, 2005 16:19:08 
Fordham's second team competed in the Ice Free Open hosted by Christopher Newport University in Newport News, VA. Thirty-two races were sailed, 16 in each division. Winds ranged from 5 - 25 knots and half the races were sailed in snow. Unfortunately, due to a capsizing mishap, our A division team sailed in only 12 races, while our B division team placed third among their competitors. Overall, Fordham finished fifth in the eight team fleet. Results:
1. Georgetown - 45 points
2. Virginia - 119
3. Salisbury - 135
4. CNU - 140
5. Fordham - 162
6. U of MD, Baltimore County - 188
7. Virginia Tech - 201
8. William & Mary - 210
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- sounds like a good outing for the team....aside from that capsizing mishap. just wondering if there were any polo shirts or tee-shirt for sale by the team. i'd be interested in one if they are available. thanks. (NT) -- icculus'04, Mon March 14, 2005 18:58:27
- A wide variety of very attractive Sailing team merchandise, i.e., polo shirts, sweatshirts, T-shirts, caps, burgees and travel mugs, is available. Go to the team web site, www.fordham.edu/athletics/sailing and click on the Merchandise page. If Sailing is your hobby and/or passion and you would like to receive more detailed regatta results and be kept up-to-date on the progress of the program, I invite you to join the Fordham Afterguard, an alumni, parents and Friends of Fordham Sailing support group. See web site address above. Many thanks for your interest. (NT) -- Joe S. ' 58 (Coach), Mon March 14, 2005 20:24:43
- A-10 vs. MAC Tournament: This is the opening paragraph from The mid-majority article on the Miami vs. Bowling Green game from Gund Arena. "There's no doubt in anyone's mind that the Mid-American Conference is a classic high mid-major conference. You can tell that just by attending their annual basketball championship, a well-oiled enterprise if ever there was one. The tourney is sponsored by large corporations, held at an NBA facility, and administered in a smooth, efficient fashion." Thought the contrast with the A-10 was worth noting., and I live in the Queen City. One of the more serious problems is that U.S. Bank Arena hosts relatively few events during the year, and its quite obvious when you attend one - they're just not very good at it. -- Cincy Ram, Mon March 14, 2005 17:07:02 
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- I think Rambacker mentioned a few days ago about switching the A-10 tourney out of Ohio. On a side note, I feel that the MAC is an overrated mid-major conference. (NT) -- Air Hej '02, Mon March 14, 2005 17:21:49
- They do not host many events there yet for some reason they had to keep the NBA three-point line on the court. I did not understand that. (NT) -- JóDete93, Mon March 14, 2005 19:36:14
- Like the Big East, I'd like to find a facility to handle the tourney every year and stick with it. I also think the facility has to be in a city where the conference has a presence, so rule out Albany, AC, Cleveland, etc. I think the MCI Center in Washington would be an attractive location for the tourney. It's readily accessible by rail, road and air for the East Coast programs, and no more than an hour's flight for everyone else (a bit longer for St. Louis). It's a nice new NBA facility in an attractive city with plenty of hotels, restaurants, attractions, etc. Philly had its turn, but the turnout was spotty, the arena was a schlep from downtown (same reason the Meadowlands won't do), and we didn't get the city's premiere venue. (NT) -- John, Mon March 14, 2005 20:11:53
- I agree re: the court's 3-point line. But I must say the arena was in good shape, the press and media facilities were as good as Dayton maybe better with more room and press row was setup very nicely with plenty of room there too (GREAT for radio). For fans the seats seemed quite new and with the exception of a scoreboard error the first night everything seemed to work fine (oh and the bird in the fan too, but that could happen in many arenas!!). (NT) -- Tom Winter, Mon March 14, 2005 21:10:09
- yeah, sure. im sure the MCI center will have no problems replacing the ACC tournament with the A-10 -- FU718, Mon March 14, 2005 22:24:11
- Coming renovations include the cardio-weight rooms and bathrooms in Lombardi, and air-conditioning in the RHG. -- DamnRam, Mon March 14, 2005 12:59:16 
Per the last sentence of the Renovations article, bottom right-hand corner on page 4 of the latest edition of The Ram Online.
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- And BC kids say Fordham is in a rough neighborhood? -- DamnRam, Mon March 14, 2005 09:36:00 
Click here for the full article.
BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A Boston College athlete jumped out a second-story window to escape from gun-toting masked men who burst into his off-campus apartment, police said.
Jermaine Watson, a 23-year-old senior, suffered cuts on his ear and left hand.
There were no arrests in the attack, which authorities said appeared to stem from a dispute during a party at Watson's apartment.
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- The A10 will improve but so will these young rams. Who will improve at a faster pace? I say these young rams. Next year 7-4 out of conf. and 10-6 in the A10. Win the A10 (5 seed in a 14 team league) and head into the NCAA's with a 20-10 record and a 11 seed. -- The Oracle, Mon March 14, 2005 22:40:49 
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- SPRING SEASON - SAILING RESULTS -- Joe S. ' 58, Sun March 13, 2005 23:22:28 
This weekend, Fordham sailed in two regattas; the Admiral Moore Trophy at NY Maritime, the most competitive event in which Fordham has participated since returning to college competition in 2000, and the Ice Free Open at Christopher Newport in VA. The former featured 18 teams; 12 varsity programs and seven nationally ranked programs, identified as V and/or N. Results:
1. Brown - 143 points - V/N
2. MIT - 164 - V/N
3. Kings Point - 180 - V
4. St. Mary's - 200 - V/N
5. URI - 236
6. Roger Williams - 243 - V/N
7. Hobart/Wm Smith - 244 - V/N
8. Columbia - 245
9. Navy - 285 - V/N
10. Minnesota - 291
11. Fordham - 301
12. Coast Guard - 313 - V
13. Connecticut College - 356 - V
14. NY Maritime - 382 - V
15. Cornell - 410
16. UC Berkeley - 457
17. Michigan - 531
18. Princeton - 535
Thirty-two races were sailed and after 29 races, Fordham was in ninth place with 267 points, ahead of both Navy & Minnesota, who were tied at 270. Unfortunately, we didn't close it out, but our sailors performed remarkably well against top competition and their performance is a sure sign of good things to come. Ice Free Open results will be posted upon receipt.
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- UMass to fire Lappas at noon -- Air Hej '02, Mon March 14, 2005 09:19:59 
Andy Katz of ESPN.com is reporting that UMass is having a press conference at noon to announce that Steve Lappas has been fired.
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- Damn, I always looked forward to his UMass teams coming to Rose Hill. (NT) -- bfg, Mon March 14, 2005 09:34:45
- Let's hope they hire Nee or Cameron. (NT) -- DamnRam, Mon March 14, 2005 09:37:08
- In another non-surprise, the University of Tennessee will annnounce today that it has fired head coach Buzz Peterson. It will pay him a $1.36 million buyout of the remaining four years on his contract. Possible successors include Jeff Lebo (Auburn), Mike Williams (UAB), Gregg Marshall (Wtnthrop) ,and Bobby Lutz (Charlotte). (NT) -- TNRam, Mon March 14, 2005 09:44:24
- Has this ever happened before? A-10 without a single post-season (NCAA or NIT) win? Well, it's very possible this year, given the matchups. -- Reality Check, Mon March 14, 2005 19:48:10 
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- John Blackgrove -- Ram Fan '85, Mon March 14, 2005 12:41:50 
Whatever happened to John Blackgrove? Not that we need him.
Great improvement by the Rams this season!! Kudos to DW and the players. Keep it up and let's fill Rose Hill Gym next year and really make it a tough place for opponents to play.
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- Bad year for A-10!! -- Ramguy1, Sun March 13, 2005 18:53:18 
GW at 12th seed as only entrant is embarassing. Oh how this league has slipped. The Patriot League also got 1 spot at 14. Not much of a difference. How sad.
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- League got killed OOC, lot of frosh, teams seemed to pick it up in 2nd half, Charolette in. Next year I say 3 or 4 in. (NT) -- DebataRam, Sun March 13, 2005 19:36:35
- Time was the A-10 used to get 5 teams in. Heck, weren't there 4 teams last year? I seem to recall that only 1 team made it two or three years ago. Anyone remember what year it was and which team got the honors? I'm willing to bet they got more than a 12... (NT) -- THram97, Sun March 13, 2005 20:07:07
- St. Joe's got absolutely screwed this year. They definitely should have been in and would have made some serious noise. Typical BS. (NT) -- CKRAM98, Sun March 13, 2005 20:51:16
- I would have loved to have seen the Hawks get in, but how can you back up that statement. Do you even follow college basketball? Who do you take out to put the Hawks into the field? (NT) -- J92, Sun March 13, 2005 21:04:21
- Notre dame got screwed. compare their wins to UAB's wins. bizarrre. (NT) -- joe b, Sun March 13, 2005 21:19:06
- ND compared to UAB - I agree. I was hoping that they would choose some of the "little guys" like they did some years back. Buffalo and Holy Cross have solid arguements but lack the big conference like bubble teams NC State or Iowa. On another note, how can they justify Iowa over Indiana? Indiana had a 3 game lead on them in the regular season standings! (NT) -- J92, Sun March 13, 2005 21:31:56
- I think the Iowa over Indiana boils down to the entire season. Iowa ended 21-11 (OOC SOS/RPI of 67/11), Indiana ended the season 15-13 (OOC SOS/RPI of 11/116). This proves once again that it does not pay to overschedule in the OOC, plain and simple. St. Joe's with an OOC SOS/RPI of 7/129 is another example of being hurt by not winning out of conference with too tough a schedule. 14-2 in conference is going to get you nowhere if you go 3-8 OOC. (NT) -- JóDete93, Sun March 13, 2005 21:48:40
- If St. Joes beats URI at URI on ESPN the other day they finish 9-1 to end the season. That would have made them the last team out. As for the Hawks OOC.. I never thought in the begining of the season that Drexel, Bucknell, Penn, ODU and Villanova were killers but if they win two of those games they would have made it... The Iowa/IU problem, to me, was that they couldn't have justified taking one over the other and therefore neither should have made it. You can't have it both ways - tough OOC got penalized here. (NT) -- J92, Sun March 13, 2005 22:25:28
- JoDete, Iowa got in over Indiana because outside of the league, they beat Louisville, Texas (w/ Tucker), Iowa State, and Texas Tech, while outside the league, Indiana beat Oral Roberts, while losing to a number of real good teams including UNC, UConn, and Kentucky. I think you are relying way too much on the actual numbers. Iowa's 4 wins outside the league to Indiana's none (quality wins) is the reason why they are in and Indiana is out despite finishing 3 games back. They also beat Mich St in the conference tourney and Indiana got pasted by Minnesota. (NT) -- Stout for 3, Mon March 14, 2005 08:53:29
- St. Joe's played a brutal OOC without their best player and were adjusting to losing two players to the NBA. Then they go out and win the A-10 regular season and get to the finals of the A-10 tourney. That merits a bid over a UAB. And they were certainly more deserving than ND, a team that stumbled into the finish lines losing two games that could have gotten them a bid against UCLA at home and a terrible Rutgers team on a neutral floor. (NT) -- CKRAM98, Mon March 14, 2005 08:05:24
- How so? The Hawks were 1-5 or 6 against Tourny teams, lost 2 weeks ago to URI and had awful OCC losses. We've known for 2 months they had to win the A10 Tourny to get in. (NT) -- NIT Bound, Sun March 13, 2005 21:07:20
- I believe it was Xavier, back in 2001-2002. Also not sure what their seed was, but I want to say they were an 8? I think they advanced to the second round before bowing out, but I could be wrong. (NT) -- Tortfeasor'03, Sun March 13, 2005 21:07:55
- When did the A-10 send 5 teams to the NCAA's? I believe last year was the most every sent by the A-10 and the league usually sends 3 teams. (NT) -- Five?, Sun March 13, 2005 23:09:29
- All 4 NCAA teams from last year had significant graduation departures. I guess talented kids just didn't want to slot in a year behind those stars. But this year's A-10 had a bumper crop of freshmen -- most of whom will likely be around four years. This just wasn't our year, but I agree St. Joe's should have gotten in. Look for 3, 4 and 5 bids for the A-10 the next three years. (NT) -- John, Sun March 13, 2005 21:02:52
- No surprise. I think A10 was 17th ranked conference in RPI. 17th? Is there any conference lower than that? (Unless I heard that wrong on the radio.) (NT) -- KPW, Sun March 13, 2005 22:01:57
- The A-10 had 4 teams in the NCAA Tourney last season and will have a minimum of 3 next season, with more the following seasons given the young talent in the league. New member Charlotte is in this year - a good addition. This league will be fine, and with the breakup of Conference USA will move to a prominent position among the nation's conferences next season. Don't worry your little heart. (NT) -- Rambacker, Sun March 13, 2005 22:41:42
- still feel that even if gw had lost the a 10 championship game they were still in as an at large with their great wins earlier in the season. unfortunatly st. joes didn't have as good a resume, and they are nit bound. my biggest qualms are uab, as many have already listed..... but also northern iowa as an 11 seed. this team basically has one talented player and many holes in their resume. would have liked to see notre dame, maryland or the hawks on a bracket line instead. (NT) -- icculus'04, Mon March 14, 2005 02:48:42
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