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Date Posted: 09:49:49 10/27/05 Thu
Author: manwitch
Subject: Re: Cause and consequence
In reply to: Sophist 's message, "Cause and consequence" on 08:41:42 10/27/05 Thu

"the flaw in the resurrection was not the use of magic to accomplish it, but the false pride and abuse of power "

The fact that I can't come up with an alternative way that they could have resurrected her (although you might argue that the beastie boys in No Assembly Required were able to do it without magic) makes me think that magic has to be included as part of the hubris. Or rather, the hubris lies in doing magic thinking there are no consequences. Again like boozing. Had Willow not performed the magic, hubris alone would have been insufficient to produce those consequences.

As for previous examples, I think the proper question is not "Are there examples of magic having consequences?" (since that can always to some degree be answered simply by a cataloguing of subsequent events) but rather "Are there any examples prior to Season 6 of magic being used and having repercussions unanticipated by the magicker?" I'm sure counterexamples exist, but I'm not sure they would be of much significance. Maybe though.

I agree completely that hubris, carelessness, thoughtlessness, anger, stupidity are all factors that can cause unpredictable results when practicing magic.

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Replies:

Re: Cause and consequence -- Sophist, 10:58:21 10/27/05 Thu
- In my spare time -- Celebaelin, 12:21:01 10/27/05 Thu
  - I think you just proved too much -- Sophist, 12:52:51 10/27/05 Thu
    - Re: surrection -- Celebaelin, 13:38:44 10/27/05 Thu
      - Some quick counterexamples -- Sophist, 13:58:58 10/27/05 Thu
        And my counter -- Celebaelin, 14:27:37 10/27/05 Thu
        Why a scythe -- Sunshine, 14:54:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Why a scythe - translation problem ? -- Rich, 18:15:23 10/28/05 Fri
        Or -- Celebaelin, 03:25:30 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- Jane, 15:57:14 10/29/05 Sat
        True, but... -- Celebaelin, 16:10:45 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- manwitch, 04:46:07 10/31/05 Mon
        Holistic links -- Celebaelin, 05:03:12 10/31/05 Mon
        Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Celebaelin, 15:13:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Sunshine, 17:25:45 10/27/05 Thu
        Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:44:07 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:45:08 10/27/05 Thu
        Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- Celebaelin, 16:58:04 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- MarkM, 03:33:57 10/31/05 Mon
        Emphasis -- Celebaelin, 05:30:15 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Emphasis -- MarkM, 05:32:18 11/01/05 Tue
        Certainty -- Celebaelin, 06:17:29 11/02/05 Wed
        Agreed. (NT) -- Sophist, 08:40:34 10/31/05 Mon

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