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Date Posted: 14:48:48 04/19/03 Sat
Author: A Willie
Author Host/IP: wiley-91-18596.roadrunner.nf.net / 205.251.191.129
Subject: Lack of French backing US on war in Iraq

I was really disturbed by the fact that France will not agree with the decision on the US going after Iraq, it was the french who can thank the United States and other countries for helping them to rid their country of Nazi Germany occupation during WWII so they can enjoy the freedom they have today, Now they have the audacity to not return the favor and not help us rid the world of another evil dictator. At least this time the world woke up and did something before it happened again.

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[> It was actually not just France but 9 countries on the Security Council that opposed the war. The only ones in support were US, UK, Spain. That's why the resolution was not put to the vote, and the US and UK started an illegal war based on WMD's that have yet to be located. Resolution 1441 and all the other resolutions do not mention anything about getting rid of dictators. If the UK and US really wanted to do that, they would also be going after North Korea, China, Myanmar, Zimbabwe etc... -- Chris Henry, 04:16:45 04/20/03 Sun (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> Let's not forget some 40-odd other countries not on the security council. What is shows is how useless the security council is. Since France did not need to lobby so vociferously, just vote, why do Europeans wonder at our finally giving up on France. Their collusion with the Iraq regime is disgusting. So is the U.S.'s past attempts to appease Saddam and other tyrants. -- SurveyGuy (I don't think I'd vote to liberate France today), 17:18:44 04/20/03 Sun (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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[> I'm sure the French are grateful to the US and other countries for their liberation. The country that did the most in that respect was the Soviet Union, which lost 20 million civilians and soldiers fighting the Nazis, and so weakened them on the Eastern Front that the Western front campaign was relatively quick. The UK also "stood alone" through 1940 and 1941 and therefore provided the springboard for that liberation. The US provided 60% of the forces in the Normandy landings, alongside British, Canadians, ANZ's, Free French and Poles, contrary to the impression given by "Private Ryan". -- Chris Henry, 04:27:37 04/20/03 Sun (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> The Brits (where I am at the moment) will always gleefully point out that on average, the US came into a World War about 3 years after everyone else, to claim the glory once Germany had already been "softened up"! They're very amused by all the Hollywood films that disregard any other country's contribution to these wars, especially U-571 which has the US capturing the Enigma code, not HMS Bulldog as in real life. -- Chris Henry, 04:43:22 04/20/03 Sun (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> Hollywood is guilty as charged but was the end of the war the cause or the effect of American entrance? How exactly did the French/Belgiums/Dutch /Norwegians/Danes/Poles soften up the Germans? -- Chez, 07:57:29 04/20/03 Sun (06-154.002.popsite.net/64.24.18.154)

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[> [> [> Yes they would, but clearly it would have taken longer. The unanswered (unanswerable?) question, though, is whether the wars would have ended earlier than 1918 and 1945 if the US had come in at the start. It's something the Brits would have liked very much; Churchill spent a lot of time trying to win over Roosevelt. -- Chris Henry, 14:12:45 04/20/03 Sun (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> [> [> Chris, the US did help bring an end to WW II and defeat the Nazi and Musollini. Try as you will you can not deny that. Hitler did make the same mistake as Napolean did when he tried to march on Moscow during the winter so he did make a tactical error. Nevertheless do you remember what took place at Normandy and "D" day? Thousands of US soldiers and other allied soldiers died invading that day which eventually led to the liberation of France and the defeat of Germany. The US does deserve praise for saving France, Russia, and others. Without the US, Hitler would most likely have won. -- William, 20:22:13 04/20/03 Sun (cache-dl04.proxy.aol.com/205.188.209.40)

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[> [> [> [> [> I absolutely agree with your first sentence - that's what I said in my posting above, I certainly didn't deny it. Last sentence? Hmmm, I would debate that, although the war would certainly have lasted longer. -- Chris Henry, 04:39:45 04/21/03 Mon (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> British and Russian contributions are well documented and both fought valiantly but are you saying you think they could have defeated the Germans without the US help? -- Chez, 08:03:05 04/20/03 Sun (06-154.002.popsite.net/64.24.18.154)

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[> There's also a lot of puzzlement in Europe as to why we are picking on the French all the time, when Russia and China were equally opposed and equally likely to use the veto. The "le Monde" newspaper said, very unkindly, that it may be related to the size of those other countries. -- Chris Henry, 04:48:40 04/20/03 Sun (NoHost/82.47.215.137)

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[> [> It is because of their affinity for two savage murderers, Ira Einhorn and Mumia Abu-Jamal and all other things left of center... -- Chez, 07:51:10 04/20/03 Sun (06-154.002.popsite.net/64.24.18.154)

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[> [> Chirac went out of his way to try to sabotage as well as insult. This is just the culmination of years of being not only unhelpful, but arrogant and insulting. The rise of anit-semitism in France as well indicates that the French no longer control France. As Chez pointed out, they also blocked extradition of a convicted murderer for some time until even they couldnlt endure the stench. -- SurveyGuy, 10:35:24 04/20/03 Sun (pcp01422563pcs.lndsd201.pa.comcast.net/68.81.153.209)

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