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Subject: superstreet 10.5

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D ball

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Date Posted: 15:36:48 01/17/05 Mon

in superstreet 10.5 why dont the rules at least state that u must have rear frame rails, by not havin this rule you will have back half cars getin into this class. so i think that the rules should say must have rear frame rails, no lexan and must retain stock appearin interior. jus my 2 sense into the class rules

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david
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David, the rule that i would say counter-acts the rear frame rail rule would be the ladder bar rule. You can only do so much with ladder bars and a true 10.5 tire. Far as the lexan and stock appearing interior... the record in that class is a 5.17 if im correct. Its hard to build a car that looks even similiar to stock with the equipment you would need for that type of pass and the lexan is more of a safety rule for wrecks. Thanks	Cole	16:25:35 01/17/05 Mon

i think what david meant was factory dash and door panels and such.no aluminum dashes and doors and what not like an all out race car.a couple years ago a fellow by the name of lee howie ran a car in true street .it looked scary stock except for the chute.ran 3 back to back to back passes with an 8.20 average ! this was after a 30 mile cruise ! even had a radio.this was on stock style suspension.you can easily have a car mini tubbed with a ladder bar coil over and retain the rear frame rails. (NT)	bryan	23:32:30 01/17/05 Mon
Yes Ive seen lee howies car that car also sold for around 75,000 just because it ran so good and looked so stock.... there are VERY few of those cars out there. But yes i agree on the dash and door panels I'll work something out on that I do not think any of our racers would be affected by it. And yes you may be able to easily have a car mini tubbed and ladder bar coil over and retain the rear frame rail but like I said you can only do so much with ladder bars and true 10.5's. Thanks (NT) -- Cole, 05:32:20 01/18/05 Tue jeff cooner and the grey mustang from mississippi did alot with ladder bars and stock rear frame rails... both went 5.teens . also both cars race limited street in orsca and have to have stock appearing cars with factory rear frame rails and no wheelie bars... jeff cooner has been 4.87 with this set-up so why let an O/L 10.5 backhalf car run in a class called super "street" just because it has 10.5's on it? (NT) -- matt m, 08:48:26 01/18/05 Tue There is a very open arguement to both sides of this issue. I would like to know where you would see the advantages of moving or replacing the rear frame rails? But right now as the rule stand there is no rule against the rear suspension frame rails as long as your limited to ladder bars and a true 10.5 tire. -- Cole, 09:34:17 01/18/05 Tue By allowing a true backhalf car to run you take the advantage away from the Mustangs and make things equal!! Most other cars and trucks can not fit a 29.5 on a 12in wheel and fit it under there cars like the Mustangs guy's can. So why penalize someone for having a different type of car. So what advantage does aftermarket frame rail give? NONE. But if I ran a Mustang I might protest too. Nothing against Mustangs but we need an even playing field. -- Randy, 16:54:59 01/18/05 Tue haha finally somebody gets the swing of things haha... so randy is the deer gonna be running wild again this year? -- Cole, 18:28:34 01/18/05 Tue i saw the john deere last week and it's coming along NICELY!!! (NT) -- matt m, 20:16:10 01/18/05 Tue Glad to hear it. I was going through all my old pictures and nearly started to cry when I saw that thing leaving the line with the wheels 4 feet in the air about 100 feet out, by far the prettiest wheelies Ive ever seen a chevy do. haha -- Cole, 21:13:17 01/18/05 Tue Thanks Cole. I'm working on my new S-10 now. I may not be quite ready for the first race. But the wait will be worth it. -- Randy, 08:31:58 01/19/05 Wed
if i wanted to have to run a back half i woulda built a back half car, there needs to be something that seperates outlaw 10.5 cars other than tire size and that we cant run a 4 link. as far as other cars not bein able to get a 29.5x10.5 under their car there why cant they notch the frame rails if needed, my argument is that if you allow back half cars youll end up gettin tube chassis cars from the firewall back gettin into this class (NT)	d ball	10:44:04 01/19/05 Wed
Tell me where the advantages to having a tube back half are? Outlaw racing is all about the equalizers. You have your equalizers in this class... ladder bars, true 10.5, then your single power adder. Those 3 rules go a long way and i would say its about the distance from modern day super street classes and outlaw 10.5 classes. I hope you can attend the meeting saturday so you can bring your discussion, Thanks -- Cole, 13:24:19 01/19/05 Wed I agree that a full firewall backhalf should not be allowed. Only a true back seat backhalf for tire clearance should be allowed. All factory floor board from rear of seat forward should be retained. The only thing different from a full TRUE back half car and a mini tubbed mustang is a thin peice of useless sheet metal (that can be manipulated) that can be called "FACTORY FRAME RAILS". -- Randy, 14:32:56 01/19/05 Wed And the 5.0's really hated it last year when the Bad9R showed up with his leaf springs and set the record. (NT) -- Mike, 18:29:53 01/19/05 Wed
super street 10.5	frustrated	16:07:41 01/20/05 Thu
glad to have you back frustrated!! (read along).... -- Cole, 16:28:28 01/20/05 Thu well said cole (NT) -- matt, 16:35:00 01/20/05 Thu superstreet10.5 -- frustrated, 18:40:45 01/25/05 Tue glad to have you back.... -- Cole, 20:05:31 01/25/05 Tue
i think the rules will work, maybe work on the lexan rule cause remember this is a "street" car class. lets at least keep them lookin that way, we'll be there on the 26th to do battle in what i think is goin to be as competative as outlaw 10.5 (NT)	d ball	19:37:50 01/23/05 Sun
Glad to hear it David!!!! I feel all of our classes will have some kind of good competition in them and I hope everyone feels they can be competitive. I said it a thousand times at the meeting, I want to make these rules as general as possible for all kinds of racers so there will be that competitive side of every race. Once again dude thanks for coming to the meeting saturday day and cant wait to see the mustang back down at the track!!!! -- Cole Reeves, 20:30:02 01/23/05 Sun