NAN splits. In an ideal world the competition would be split totally at random, so that dancers would not be with the same girls year after year. Sadly, if it was, people would say it was being fiddled to keep girl A apart from B,C, & D to ensure that girl A wins the split. Splitting by Dates of birth was purely a way of doing this in which no-one could dispute the reasoning. A few stray errors really should make no difference, and those shouting loudest about this are probably concerned that they are now in a group that they perceive to be "the hardest" which is probably not the case. -- For the love of the dance

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Date Posted: Sun, Jun 24 2007, 22:15:22
Author: my thoughts inside
Subject: NAN splits. In an ideal world the competition would be split totally at random, so that dancers would not be with the same girls year after year. Sadly, if it was, people would say it was being fiddled to keep girl A apart from B,C, & D to ensure that girl A wins the split. Splitting by Dates of birth was purely a way of doing this in which no-one could dispute the reasoning. A few stray errors really should make no difference, and those shouting loudest about this are probably concerned that they are now in a group that they perceive to be "the hardest" which is probably not the case.

Perhaps they should split the groups totally randomly the night before. Dancers or their TCRG could queue up and on production of their ID card be asked to press a button on a random number generator (like a bingo/lotto machine) to generate either an A or a B to select the split. Or it could actually be their competitor number for the comp, with all odd numbers being A and all evens being B (or something similar). The second option would mean that the program would be without numbers, further lessoning any chance of AD's and TC's being accused of conspiring together to mark dance 140 well.
The split/competitor number info would then be entered into the Computer on the spot as their agreed competition split. I'm sure that the software used could cope with sorting the dancers by a column with an A or B column, so that all other details can still be entered before the event.
There could be no suggestion of cheating as no-one could influence the outcome. Any "harder group" would just be the luck of the draw.
Panel X would be listed to judge split A Heavy round & Split B light round, with Panel Y doing the opposite.
The recall should be fixed at 30% of each split, but these should then be combined into a joint Recall, representing 30% of the total, and a number usually far in excess of 50 dancers. I would then suggest that a totally separate adjudicators panel (panel Z) then judges the combined recall. Alternatively panels X and Y could combine to give a 6 way score for the recall.
Agreed this would mean a slightly larger recall, but would put all of the top dancers fairly competing against each other, with the result being only one champion, the TRUE champion. It would reduce the number of Worlds qualifiers by 2 as you currently have 3 for the first 10 + 1 per 10, meaning that because we have two comps we have an extra 2 for the first 10 in the second group. This would make it the same as the other secondary qualifiers (GB's AI's etc)

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[> I've been saying this for years! You'd then get a definitive NANs champ and there wouldn't be the 'extra' few getting thru as qualifiers in each split....ie 3 in 1st 10! which makes 6 dancers in a split rather than 3 in a non split comp! -- UKmum, Mon, Jun 25 2007, 15:51:11 [1]

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[> [> it's only 2 extra as there would be one for the 10 anyway -- fairer that way, Wed, Jun 27 2007, 14:26:59 [1]

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[> [> [> It's not fair at all! How can having 2 champs and an extra 2 qualifiers for an age group be fair? It would be so easy, as described above to have a definite North American Champ, and much sweeter for the winner too, to know that they were the best in their FULL age group. They have at least 6 halls running at this event, the Worlds has 1 main hall and a set hall, and copes with the numbers, with NO splits! -- Stop the splits please!, Thu, Jun 28 2007, 0:04:58 [1]

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[> [> [> [> it is obvious that you have to split for the first rounds. My dd danced in a comp of 300, split 150/150. If they had danced ALL 300 in one comp it would have taken at least 4 hours per round. The AD's would need a lunch break so that means 9 hours. Add best part of an hour to collate and check the scores, and announce the recall. Assuming an 8.00am start that takes us to 6.00pm. Recall of 30% (say 100 inc ties) would take about 2 and a half hours. Add at least half hour for scores etc. So results "might" be ready at 9.00pm. Presentation would possibly finish at 10/10.30, assuming no glitches. -- too long a day, Thu, Jun 28 2007, 11:27:47 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> Yes split for the first 2 rounds ONLY...using the same adjs for the same rounds, ie heavy/light......but use their scores for the recall and do a smaller recall and get a REAL Champ. The results don't come out till late anyway, no matter what time you start dancing! Been there from 7am - 1am the following morning at some NANs, with a dancer dancing the next day and not staying near the venue!!! -- UKmum, Thu, Jun 28 2007, 15:19:22 [1]

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