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Mcgahanlees Feis Results -- Mary Ann, Sun, Mar 11 2007, 12:28:46 [6]
Hi, does any body know what time are the senior ladies dancing at? If they've already danced does anybody know the results? Cheers

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- Results now on main board. Well done Donna 2nd place in Senior Ladies comp (NT) -- fan, Mon, Mar 12 2007, 0:10:00
- Well done Donna. Well deserved. (NT) -- mum, Mon, Mar 12 2007, 0:19:34
- Mcgahanlees Feis Results -- Mary Ann, Mon, Mar 12 2007, 1:05:34
  - main board found at - http://www.voy.com/174296/ (NT) -- MOD, Mon, Mar 12 2007, 1:40:31
- All results now on mcgahan lees website (NT) -- x, Mon, Mar 12 2007, 23:21:50
Hey folks keep an eye for Zoe Salmon currently appearing on Fame Academy. She is learning to do irish dancing for a Blue Peter feature coming soon. Give her your vote from the world of ID. -- Keep you posted when the show is aired, Fri, Mar 09 2007, 21:26:32 [2]

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- keep watching blue peter because there is going to be dancers on the show in relation to zoe dancing in riverdance!! keep your eyes peeled!! (NT) -- -x-, Sun, Mar 11 2007, 20:17:59
WELL done Caitlin Heed and Owen for winning at Mcgahan Lees and also in Dublin today fab results guys -- mum, Sun, Mar 11 2007, 19:06:31 [3]

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- Also fantastic result for Siobhan Forrest today, after such a long time away. Go Shiv (NT) -- op, Sun, Mar 11 2007, 19:14:13
- Brill results, well done, and well deserved (NT) -- Bridie, Sun, Mar 11 2007, 19:49:32
u14s from mcgahanlees 1 Caroline Gray 2 Bobbi Trotter 3 Layra Miler 4 Orlaith O'Neil 5 Hannah Tracy-Lord 6 Emma Reynolds 7 NIAMH Mc Grath 8 Jenny Thornton 9 Claire Keats 10 Connie Lahiff 11 Melissa O'dONOGHUE Well done to all who took part in this age group. Lovely dancers. -- Mum, Sat, Mar 10 2007, 21:58:03 [1]

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Does anyone know which vendors, will be at the Mcgahan Feis? -- thanks, Fri, Mar 09 2007, 15:02:26 [1]

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request posted on uk voy board from Tamasine: Hi all! I am putting together an IDM special on the best new dresses around. Do you want your dress to feature? Is it a new trend or simply just beautiful? Please email a picture for inclusion in IDM with your name, dance school and name of who made your dress: -- Tamasine -- MOD, Thu, Mar 08 2007, 16:57:46 [5]

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- Ipersonally don't like this idea, it smacks of elitism to me. Let's have more about up and coming dancers not just dancers at the top, lets have a look at the beginners and intermediate dancers. (NT) -- shame, Thu, Mar 08 2007, 17:00:39
  - Doesn't look like she paid much attention to the feedback from readers after her last post on the board!! Readers were asking for articles about irish dance and fitness in general. Looks like they're getting hair, make up and frocks again!! (NT) -- I won't be wasting my ŁŁŁ's : - ), Thu, Mar 08 2007, 18:30:27
- total waste of time we can see the dresses at a feis and judge for ourselve what we like, why do we need a mag to tell us what the best is. I wont be wasting my money on subscription of this mag anymore. Fed up of them not hearin and taking notice of what MOST readers want. (NT) -- Shelley-Anne, Thu, Mar 08 2007, 21:43:56
- Well. now she has emailed the Mod of that board to ask for the post to be removed, saying only that she has had tons of responses. So I guess that's covered tons of people who may buy the mag. just to see if they feature in it! Good advertising, all round, heh? Think we'll still give it a miss though. Too much gloss & not enough grit! (NT) -- : (, Fri, Mar 09 2007, 0:56:53
Can anyone enlighten me as to 1) who all the Irish Dance Associations are (eg An Commision, AAIDT etc etc ).. 2) what are their differences, pros & cons? .. If your school is a member of one association and not another, do you know why the TC chose them over the another organisation? Can you be a member of more than one organisation? I really don't know much about who is who and what is what, but before our school commits to one or another of these associations I want to know that they can offer us the best support for our situation...we are remote from the rest of Austalia, and that makes us very remote indeed especially from the rest of the irish dance world. So I would love to hear your experiences and opinions on who is the best organisation and WHY or WHY NOT. You can email me privately if you prefer. -- Lee in Darwin, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 1:29:08 [15]

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- funnily enough I have not had single response from this post - I figured that if you had the option of private email that I might get someone who was willing to give me the low down on what their own thoughts were. I am just looking to find the right organisation for my dancers at this point in time. Nothing more than that. You all seem very vocal in your opinion of what CLRG and feis vendors and feis organisers are doing wrong, I thought someone would have an opinion on which organisations are doing things right. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin - remote Top End Australia., Sat, Mar 03 2007, 14:40:59
  - query -- Curious? (?), Sun, Mar 04 2007, 10:05:59
    - Yes, we have a school, we are just not affiliated with anyone as yet, hence the question in the first place. As we are at least 4000kms / miles from major cities where they hold feis we cannot travel to them. We are planning on rectifying the situation though...lol..email me if you want more specific info. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sun, Mar 04 2007, 14:45:20
- Hi, with your permission I'm going to copy and post this on the main uk board, as there is more traffic there and someone may know more. I'd be very interested in the answers too. (NT) -- MOD, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 14:52:18
  - Thanks MOD, I appreciate it. I am not trying to do anything more than find out what people think of their own organisation. Being that we can't just go to a feis or whatever and chat with people, this is our only option. People can email me privately if they prefer. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sun, Mar 04 2007, 14:53:50
- The organisations are all basically the same and all have their own political issues. An Coimisiun (CLRG) are by far the largest (hence most complaints are about them) Most dancers start with them and after taking the TCRG join them. You cannot be a member of two but some allow cross organisation feis. CLRG don't. If your TC is qualified they will already be a member of a federation. If not they'll need to take the exam before you can join (NT) -- same for all groups, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 19:55:43
- Agree that there isn't much control on timing of potd feis. But come one this feis is the same disgrace every year, but it will continue as people keep going (NT) -- mum, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 21:34:42
- Different Organisations -- Teresa, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 14:10:16
  - Thanks Teresa .. this is the sort of info I was looking for. Up until your answer everyone had told me that Australia had only Commission. Which is fine in the southern states with lots of schools, but my state has well, me. So who are we even going to compete against? That was the basis of my enquiry as our situation is rather unique in the overall view of where schools are. Will not be making any decisions any time soon, but just need to know my options so I can check it out completely as to what is best for my dancers at this point in time. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 0:00:22
    - Comhdhail in Australia -- Teresa, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 8:42:13
      - yes please.. it would be interesting to hear their reasons for why they went with Comhdhail over CLRG. Just want to know all my facts before I dive in...email me if you prefer not to leave details on a public board. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Wed, Mar 07 2007, 1:34:11
- Thanks to Teresa for supplying info, but I had to remove the msg as it gave personal information not allowed by voy, I have emailed your post to Lee instead, so she can contact them directly. (NT) -- Mod, Wed, Mar 07 2007, 14:58:52
  - Australia -- Teresa, Thu, Mar 08 2007, 8:45:45
    - No appol nessessary, was glad to pass info on, pleased Lee got some helpful responses (NT) -- MOD, Thu, Mar 08 2007, 16:48:33
Pretty in Pink nearly new dress for sale. -- AnneCraig, Wed, Mar 07 2007, 13:16:59 [1]
Please visit http://feisanne.blogspot.com/ to see the latest dress addition to the Pre-loved dresses for sale.

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From uk board. go see this, great, some of what ID community should be about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq0BCEmQEgQ -- MOD, Wed, Mar 07 2007, 0:34:45 [1]

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CONGRATULATIONS SHARON MCFADDEN T.C.R.G WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!! xXx xXx -- Michelle Campbell, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 18:57:06 [1]

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Copied from UK voy board:- The Seamus and Marie Moore Memorial Feis - 9th & 10th June 2007 -- Feis Organiser, 17:12:07 02/28/07 Wed [1] More inside -- MOD, Wed, Feb 28 2007, 23:00:34 [6]
The Seamus and Marie Moore Memorial Feis - 9th & 10th June 2007 -- Feis Organiser, 17:12:07 02/28/07 Wed [1]
Judges: Paschal Lyons - Cavan
Kevin McCormack - Dublin
Stella Moore - Manchester
Helena McCarron - Birmingham
Sylvan Kelly - Mayo
Maeve Madden - Birmingham
Michael Dillon - Clare
Conleth Mullen - Derry

Venue: Bishop Douglass School
Hamilton Road
East Finchley
London N2 0SQ

** Less than 5 minutes from North Circular & Junction 2 off the M1
** Cups & Sashes/Pennants for top 5 in all Girls and Boys Championships
** Sashes for all trophy winners
** At least 50% recall in all Championships

First Closing Date: 1st May 2007

Syllabus available shortly.

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- are there any other feis on that weekend (NT) -- wondering, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 18:47:27
- If you look on Mcgahan Lees, Instepfm and Irish dancer.co.uk sites you'll fin a world of information about what feis are on, Double check but I think that weekend the Scanlon feis is on. (NT) -- dd mum, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 17:01:02
  - Scanlon Leeds is 21st April and Scanlon Birm is in a couple of weeks. There's usually a NE feis on this w/e and the Ward Mallinson Feis should be the same w/e but not too sure about that atm. (NT) -- UKmum, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 0:30:24
  - looked on those sites before i asked. One very helpful person has posted details about the Armagh Feis which will be on that very weekend and i don't believe those details are on any of the web sites you have listed. (NT) -- Thankyou for advice, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 2:07:49
    - No, they can only be listed on those sites if they are sent to the webmasters. (NT) -- ., Tue, Mar 06 2007, 16:30:16
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Irish Dancing in Darwin? -- Curious.. (Smiley?), Sun, Mar 04 2007, 10:04:12 [4]
Is there a good irish dancing school in Darwin?

i am moving to darwin soon and i was just curious to know if there is an qualified irish dancing school that does the exam work, because i currently live in victoria and would like to continue with the exam work to perfect my technique.

any clues as to what i should do?

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- hey curious .. we are a small and new school but have been dancing ten years or more. There are only two schools in the whole state - mine which is new and 'progressive' and the other one that is very traditional and does not ever want to do any competition - mostly ceili stuff. Due to our remoteness we can't travel to feis so no-one here is TCRG - well not yet. Is your move from Victoria to Darwin related to a miltary posting? Feel free to email me if you want more info. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sun, Mar 04 2007, 14:51:11
- irish dancing in darwin -- Sarah, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 2:35:29
  - gee thanks Sarah.. but what she says is true. you are welcome to come and see us and see if you like it. Feel free to email the school address for more details. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Tue, Mar 06 2007, 5:53:21
notice on uk board: photo's from Carrigaline are now on www.reeldancepix.com -- MOD, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 16:14:04 [1]

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What a shame the O'Mordha feis once again this year has such a bad press. We went last year the competition ran more than 4 hours late, there were no apologies from the organisers, Canteen was very very poor and the entry fee was a disgrace. Would've thought that the organisers could have made much more effort this year. I'm so glad we decided not to attend again this year. We are used to feis running late but come on at least most of the other feis try their best to make things better year after year, but it seems the organisers at O'Mordha haven't learnt their lesson. -- mum of dancer who had a lovely chilled day, Mon, Feb 26 2007, 11:49:04 [15]

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- was horrified to read some of the problems with this feis, luckily dd isn't getting regular recalls yet so we keep to local feis and after what I've read I'm grateful for that. Like everyone I've been to many feis that have run late, sometimes just half hour and so far, the worst has been 2hrs. Each time there has been appologies made for any delays, so I can't understand these feis organisers not having the manners to do the same. I'm feel sorry for all those who attended, not just for the delays, but mention is being made of very questionable results. Not having attended this feis I wouldn't comment on that part, but I would expect to hear soon a good reason for the delays. I should think that many people will really seriously consider whether to ever attend this feis again, maybe then if the numbers go down enough the organisers will realise that people will not continue accepting treatment like this especially at an ordinary feis (NT) -- wishwillow, Mon, Feb 26 2007, 15:28:18
- My friend and i went with our daughters last year, and there were seriously questionable results including my own daughter who won by the way. My friends daughter didn't win. But last year a lot of people had the same complaints and it seems that the organisers have totally disregarded last years complaints so I can't see them taking any notice this year. My daughter shouldn't have won, in my humble opionion, and she kmew it herself but what do you do tell the judges they are blind. me thinks not. My daughter herself knew she didn't dance her best. (NT) -- op, Mon, Feb 26 2007, 17:23:21
- They don't have to apologise for it...they're in astrong position knowing that not many TCs are going to complain because of the 'status' of the organiser this year. Wonder tho' how many will return next year? Sashes were cheap rubbish compared to their usual embroidered ones. Ł22 entry fee, Ł4 entrance and Ł3 marks did certainly not justify the prizes! (NT) -- UKmum, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 15:06:27
  - Seems that what people are saying is true the only reson for doing o'mordha was because of Wrolds adjs. as previous post said wonder how many will return next year. Definitely not us (NT) -- op, Wed, Feb 28 2007, 17:14:57
- feis results -- mary, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 9:49:54
  - Mary try Instepfm.com, Des should have results on his site. I've just been on the uk board and it's working fine. (NT) -- JJ, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 10:49:31
    - Des wasn't doing the results at O'Mordha it was someone using MCGL Webbies Feismark pack...think it was someone affiliated with the Morgan school, saw him running around with marks. So unless the results are sent to Des, can't see how they'll be on his site :oS (NT) -- NW mother, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 1:33:31
- Can I ask who you think the organisers of this feis were? The ladies on the door taking your Ł4? The ladies on the entry desk taking your feis entry? The ladies in the canteen? No, the organisers were Stella and her daughter Joanne, all the other people helping were just parents of the school giving up their own free time to help out. This was a pay on the day feis, the numbers for most age groups were large, anyone who regularly attends feis' know they never run to time, even the pay in advance onPlease can you also clarify for me what "status" the organiser has??? I thought she was just another ADCRG, TCRG!!!es. (NT) -- Or is there something I'm missing?, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 11:31:11
  - Ermmmm perhaps the fact that Stella's adjudicating the Worlds this year explains why the feis had more dancers from further afield than usual! AND it wasn't just parents from the school helping. There was a very well know NW TC doing the MCing and someone affiliated to her school seemingly doing the results. If he wasn't he was back and forth with the results sheets! The running behind time of a PoTD feis is beyond anyones control, but the running of the comps and splitting them into silly age groups with 2 contestants is! (NT) -- NW mother, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 19:05:40
- I think if you look at the results from last year you will see lots of dancers from "further afield", and Stella wasn't judging the Worlds last year. As the Op said in her original post, last years feis ran more than 4 hours late, again, this was due to the high number of entries.Maybe the high number of entries was due to this being the only feis on this date? (NT) -- ????, Sun, Mar 04 2007, 16:14:23
  - Well the ACDC school have been attending this feis for the last couple of years but the friendship between both TC's is well known. Kenny Academy usually attend too...but there were more schools from London this year and more per age group, in the younger ages especially that have never been seen before. 30 in the u14's n 15's is about 10 or more than this feis usually draws. Have attended every year for 10 years so think I know when the competition is growing and can hazard a guess at why!! I wish people would take their heads out of the sand and SEE what's going on, not just at this feis, but all over ID. (NT) -- NW mother, Sun, Mar 04 2007, 23:45:15
    - sorry if this is a stupid question, but wondering why the competition is growing and what is going on at feis and ID in general. Would appeciate knowing from someone more experienced. (NT) -- wishwillow, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 0:52:07
      - Quite honestly it'd take too long in a post on an ID board. Suffice to say that there is and probably always will be underhandedness in ID. Why we stay in it, heaven knows, I guess in the hope that at some point things will change. People will say there's nothing wrong, and it's those people who need to pull their heads out of the sand, look around and see what's happening. Last years BN's and all the posts pertaining to it were evidence enough that 'Something is indeed, rotten, in ID' (NT) -- NW Mother, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 1:27:20
        
        Hey Nw mum, totally agree we stay in hoping that things will change, and as the saying goes you can't change it if you're not in it. There's HUGE corruption in ID as may I say in most organisations, nothing is perfect, As adults I think most of us are extremely sceptical howver when youn children start noticing. There's a MAJOR problem. Let's talk about the Europeans, It's a long and EXPENSIVE feis to go to, yet every year people go and complain, but they still go, nothing against the organisers but WHO is reaping the benfefits? (NT) -- just me, Mon, Mar 05 2007, 1:37:50
Is it possible that the All Ireland's are becoming more difficult then the worlds. Reason I'm wondering is that everyone has to qualify for the worlds, so it is a limited number of dancers from each region/country who get entered. With the AI's provided you are up to a certain standard, ie: regular placer at most feis through the year, you can enter the AI. I noticed a few names on the AI results list who I don't think qualified for the worlds this year. I am presuming that most if not all the world qualifiers danced at A I's, so put with the number of dancers who maybe should have qualified it would make it not only a bigger comp, but just maybe a more truely reflective one of dancers standards. -- curious to veiws on this, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 5:30:39 [3]

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- Have always felt that the Irelands are more difficult due to the numbers. But, on another note I have felt there are less bizarre marks as well in that the winner of the worlds can be afforded such enourmus political pull cause its the 'big one'. More often than not, I feel the top 3 at the Irelands are right on but same can't be said for the worlds. more... -- s, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 12:06:03
  - Agree All-Irelands are much harder than the worlds. You only have to see in some tough regions that great dancers have not qualified and in other smaller regions lesser (no offence intended) dancers have qualified due to less top dancers in that region. Look at some of the dancers who have qualified to see this is true. (NT) -- imho, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 18:50:45
Ok so I read in the Irish Post that parents are havng a hard time with the cost of ID, and are blaming tcs commision(sp) etc.. Parents when are we going to take the control and stop spending 1,000 on a dress, If you want to do all the feis in every country, then STOP complaining, too many parents want their dd to follow the latest trends, Stop encouraging your dds to keep up with the kid next door. What are you teaching them. We are responsible for the overall layout of feis, dresses etc. I know tcs and adjs are to blame for lots of thing in ID, but parents when are you going to stop playing the blame game? -- Who rules the roost?, Fri, Feb 09 2007, 17:15:40 [25]

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- This copied from UK board, very interesting idea: - OK, its clear from recent very lenghty threads, (let alone the day to day talk at class & feis) that the key issues (altho everyone seems to be taking them from a different angle) is the question of Adjudication & the latest fashion trends & the Expense involved in ID. Its about time for a SURVEY that will collect as much data from as many people as poss. to give their honest opinions on ID . I know IDM were looking for ideas, perhaps they could try it. perhaps a combined SURVEY between IDM & Irish Post. or Ooh... Perhaps! even a questionnaire left on seats at all feis. -- Well, where there is a will, there is a way..., 00:37:21 02/10/07 Sat [1] (NT) -- MOD, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 1:45:43
  - I've now added a survey to Irish Dancer about these issues, go fill it in! (NT) -- Irishdaz - www.irish-dancer.co.uk, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 12:45:36
    - Thank you for the survey, well done (NT) -- wishwillow, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 22:04:35
- but its so much more fun to blame someone else and be the victim .. just look at all the sympathy you get?? lol.. sorry folks .. I agree that we need a survey, and that parents have to say no to expense, but there are always going to be those that have to have the latest things, and then the rest of us who can't keep up with the Joneses. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 4:14:07
  - Just seen the article in the Irish Post and I totally agree with the ridiculous cost of ID and the 'Las Vegas' point of tackiness that has crept into our world. But no surprises, An Commisiun has declined to comment! SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!!!! (NT) -- Where will it all stop?, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 1:22:27
- The article quoted a mother who said her daughters were banned from competing in a championship because they wouldn't wear wigs. I can't imagine this actually happening. (NT) -- anyone know the story?, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 6:06:51
  - After re-reading it I think perhaps her TC banned her from going & not the actual competition, as I can't see that being allowed but some TC I would imagine insist on wigs? (NT) -- storm, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 10:10:04
    - That expanation makes sense. Still, a shame that a champ dancer is banned for such a silly reason. It should be about the dancing. (NT) -- JMO, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 17:09:29
    - There's one TC in Scotland that I know of that won't let her dancers compete either unless they have the RIGHT wig, the RIGHT shoes, the RIGHT dress etc. I know a few of my friends don't compete any more as they just can't afford all the latest gear. TC's should advise you but they shouldn't ban you from competing if you don't have all the latest gear. Can make you feel really inferior to the "class favourites" who seem to have a never-ending supply of shoes/dresses/wigs. (NT) -- old_dancemum, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 22:54:06
      - Its not AC, but its not just parents, mainly its TC's. No-one will dispute that as dancers giving a stage performance, that 'good presentation' is important. However, good presentation can simply be: clean, tidy & a school uniform. I just wonder have any of those TC's, so adamant about keeping up or even trying to outdo the 'latest trend' ever considered the following: 1. Loss of Champ dancers, who are dedicated to dance but just can't afford it anymore. 2. A crop of dancers who spend more time focusing on 'dressing up' than their actual dancing. and 3. The prospect of losing MANY potential talented dancers before they have had a chance because they have been scared off by the mad cost of the costumes. I really think they should seriously consider this as it may all come back to bite them where it hurts! (NT) -- A uniform look for all please, lets get back to dancing., Mon, Feb 19 2007, 1:00:27
      - Does anyone else think this sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated? It's unbelievable that children can't participate in competitions because their parents are unable to afford the "required gear". (NT) -- sad state of of affairs, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 22:23:00
        
        Not all T.C's have this attitude and there are some out there who discourage parents from parting with enormous amounts of money for costumes and still promote irish dance as a cultural activity and not a beauty contest. Good results are just as achievable in a Ł400 dress as they are in a Ł1400 dress. (NT) -- IMHO, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 22:57:01
        
        Just to clarify - Ł400 is still a huge amount of money, but a dress at this price is a bargain these days! (NT) -- IMHO, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 23:02:38
        
        Talking of which there are some lovely new dresses on dance-again website, you could get a brand new one fom Australia (with Ł being in our favour!) for just over Ł250! Its gorgeous, see link inside, not my dress BTW but I love it, if only it would fit my dd! -- storm, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 10:09:35
  - Is that the lady from Ulster ? If so that was on the TV too (NT) -- Sure it was RTE, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 20:34:03
- I think the problem is that everyone including very average dancers are running off to get a 'Gavin' thinking this will improve their results when it is the dancing that counts. Everyone else then thinks they need a Gavin etc to keep up. Where will it stop and people get a grip (NT) -- imho, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 0:07:51
  - in reply to 'imho', I second that totally. The concentration on costumes is also a distraction from other more important or serious issues. (NT) -- Lets have dance without the 'catwalk' please!, Thu, Mar 01 2007, 0:43:11
- ive been looking for a new dress for dd as she has been in the same dress for 3 years, then i have come to my senses and realised that if she is in a 'champions' dress and isnt up to that standard then she will look rather overdressed for her level of dancing. so now we wait alittle while longer and she 'earns' her new dress :) (NT) -- maid getting overenthused, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 9:57:20
- Just been having a look on e-bay at Irish dancing dresses. Why would you pay 600.00 for a secondhad dress when you can have one made for that to your dds specification. I don't care what name the costume has behind it. Due to dds age she has to have one made every year, I sell her old one for 350.00-400 and have to find another 200.00 for a new one. Personally wouldn't pay more than 400.00 for a secondhand dress. No wonder some of these dresses don't get sold MAD MAD MAD prices. (NT) -- DDS Mum, Thu, Mar 01 2007, 23:20:33
  - Well. you are still having to replace every year, & find another 200. The fact is most have to be able to sell previous to buy next one new. Many are currently buying @ 1000 - 1300, so taking into account depreciation when that costume is a year old, how much would you expect to sell it for, to be able to afford next new one? At this rate, as you say, there will be no market for 'used costumes' so how will most afford to replace? (NT) -- It has to end somewhere, hopefully before bankruptcy., Fri, Mar 02 2007, 1:08:51
    - Yes as said befor I still have to find 200.00, howeevr I'd rather do that than pay lets say 15.000 upward try to sell for 900 and still have to find in excess of another 5-6.00. My daughters dress cost 600.00 which is a lot of money but at least I know I can usually sell within 3 weeks of advertising it. Some dresses sre on sites for up to a year. Gos I wish I could make an Irish dance dress, would at least save a bit of money. (NT) -- DDs Mum, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 1:39:44
      - Me too! I have a new one on order but can't seem to sell old one, I feel I will have to practically give it away! I would love to be able to make dresses but with so many only going with the big names, can't see it being a money spinner anymore for local dressmakers. (NT) -- storm, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 23:53:28
        
        Storm totally agree with you, but in all honesty how many people can tell who made one dress from another. On so many boards the question is who made so and so dress, it's gorgey. Purleeeaassseeeee give us a break. (NT) -- op, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 1:20:22
        
        actually once you've bought a new dress from Gavin, Siopa Rince, Anne Ash etc. you can tell which other dresses they havemade. They all have their own specific way of making the dress. It isn't only the fabrics & designs that make them unique, but the particular method of construction. I don't recognise dresses from dm that I haven't used myself though, hence the many q's asking "who made....?" (NT) -- not all own a Gavin, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 11:04:51
On the Uk board Storm has raised some valid points in the post about children doing prelims. However I know our Tcs don't check every entry in fairness I don't see how they can. Most tcs aren't seriously interested in any results apart from champs. Or am I being unfair. -- DDS Mum, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 10:51:34 [3]

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- Well they should be interested, its their job. I bet if fines were introduced they would soon prick their ears up! At the end of the day its their job to keep parents informed & check entries. In the real world, if you told your boss you simply didn't have time to do your job properly you wouldn't have a job for very long. But as we all know in the weird & wonderful world of ID, where skirts are up to the bum and judges don't have to justify dodgy marks, this is nothing new, just another rule to be ignored. (NT) -- storm, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 23:58:49
- I totally agree with Storm on this one. All TC's have passed exams & been registered with AC, therefore put in a position of responsibility. One of the basic responsibilities involved in that job, is completing & signing feis entry forms. If they are unable to ensure that the entry form they are sending in is up-to-date & valid within Syllabus Rules, then frankly they are not doing their job properly! & I would dread to think what else they were incompetent at. Our Tc's not perfect, but can recite from memory how each & every dancer did at last feis & certainly knows what grade & comp they are. (NT) -- ? ! ? !, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 0:30:03
Brand new flower hairband listed on ebay..link inside -- dd, Wed, Feb 28 2007, 12:06:46 [3]
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/IRISH-DANCE-DANCING-BRIDAL-WEDDING-FLOWER-HAIRBAND_W0QQitemZ190087744202QQihZ009QQcategoryZ112426QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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- Just had a look its very pretty. Did you make it yourself? (NT) -- shelley-anne, Wed, Feb 28 2007, 17:12:24
  - Yes I did, I will be listing more in the coming weeks - lots of different colours! (NT) -- dd, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 16:37:16
the syllabus for the European C'ships in Portugal is now available on www.irish-dancer.co.uk -- Irishdaz, Thu, Mar 01 2007, 9:42:41 [1]

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International Irish Dance camp, Hungary, July 30th - August 4th 2007 -- Stephen Scariff School, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 19:28:41 [2]
We are very happy to host this year’s International Irish Dance and Irish traditional music camp in the beautiful remote location in Hajos, southern Hungary. It is with great pleasure we welcome adjudicator Mary Brady Costelloe to assess dancers on a daily basis and give them written critique, something that will surely prove to be most valuable in the dancer’s progression to achieve perfection. Stephen and Alan Scariff will be here to teach dancers new material and also help them clean old material. We will also have on board Brenda Curtain who will teach musicians of all levels how to play the fiddle/violin (Irish Music), Banjo,Tin Whistle, lilting (Irish yodelling). We welcome dancers and musicians from age 8 up and from all levels.
Registration is now open. Dancers who register before May 15th can avail of the discounted rate of EUR 300 (late entry rate EUR 350). Fee includes tuition, food (3 meals per day) and accommodation. Dancers may arrange private classes with the teacher of their choice for the extra fee of EUR 50/h. Shared private classes EUR 35/h/person. Adults who accompany children will have to pay EUR 150 for food and accommodation. Dancers who wish to also take part in music classes may do so for an extra fee of EUR 50 or musicians who wish to participate in dancing classes will also pay likewise. Tin Whistles may be ordered prior to the camp, however violinists will be required to bring their own instruments.

For registration forms please email Michaela at irishdance@gmx.at or
phone +43/ (0) 676/ 370 46 03

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- Not that I can afford to do pay for my daughter to do this workshop, as much as I'd love but would you have to clear it with yourtcs before attending? (NT) -- me, Wed, Feb 28 2007, 1:37:07
Mcgahan lees timetable now up on the mcgahan lees site. Thanks guys for not having an 8-8.30 start for the u13s. Much appreciated. -- Yippee, Mon, Feb 26 2007, 22:59:07 [5]

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- Im readding it as an 8.30 start for u13 championships am i wrong (NT) -- ?, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 13:22:20
  - Yup I read it that way too. U13 boys and girls Championships start at 8.30 am (NT) -- UKmum, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 15:22:57
- sorry Yippee, it's 8.30 am. Yuk, cos I'm stuck with it too (NT) -- Bridie, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 16:26:28
- arrrrggggghhhhhhh it's wishful thinking on my part that our little darling be given a break and dance at 9.30. Sorry for the bad info. (NT) -- op, Tue, Feb 27 2007, 17:09:58
Guys, the results of the Poll on whether I should remove the Rulebook from the Irish dancer site are now in. Click on the link on the homepage for details (Refresh the page if you can't see it). I'm now running a survey on www.irish-dancer.co.uk about the cost of ID, how many lessons, etc. Please fill it in asap so that I can publish results. Its been quite interesting so far -- Irishdaz, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 12:59:11 [2]

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- The results of that poll are VERY interesting. I would urge anyone who hasn't taken the survey to do so, as it will be good to see how ID averages out for us. Thanks Irishdaz for these opportunities to start getting real ID info to everyone. (NT) -- MOD, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 16:41:29
Help, anyone else having problems getting Uk voy site up. -- Bridie, Fri, Feb 23 2007, 23:44:27 [3]

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- sorry meant to add that this is the msg I am getting:- strhoststr: regcomp() error: returned 6, fid=174296. Fix the Regular Expression! (NT) -- Bridie, Fri, Feb 23 2007, 23:47:12
- Same here. Has been like that since this morning. Hope it's sorted soon lol. (NT) -- SN, Sat, Feb 24 2007, 0:36:33
Brand new, fabulously priced, never worn Loretta Mauriella dress -- Annie Craig, Fri, Feb 23 2007, 18:53:46 [1]
added to http://feisanne.blogspot.com/

Also the White and red Phoebe dress has been reduced by Ł100.
Please take a look :o)

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Have any Irish dancers auditioned for Britain's got Talent show? Anyone chosen yet ? -- my niece just got an audition!, Wed, Feb 07 2007, 11:34:54 [11]

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- Now I will watch regularly, I wish her all the very best. (NT) -- wishwillow, Wed, Feb 07 2007, 15:14:47
- i got chosen for the first audition stage!! Had so much fun, was such a great experience! just like the x factor! watch out for me! ;) the next stage is going to have an audience... just got to wait for a call back hopefully! If not, the experience was fantastic! loved it! (NT) -- that midlands dancer, Thu, Feb 08 2007, 14:29:57
  - great that you had so good an experience so far, will add a prayer to the crossed fingers for you, Go get 'em (NT) -- wishwillow, Thu, Feb 08 2007, 20:04:53
- My dd has got an audition for this coming up, wish her luck (NT) -- xxx, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 14:51:57
  - wish her lots and luck, lets us know when to look out for her (NT) -- wishwillow, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:17:03
- Don't know bout that but John Morgan has gone in for X Factor!!!!!!!!! (NT) -- !, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 11:53:17
  - At this rate we'll have to stay glued to the telly in support. Very best wishes that he does well. (NT) -- wishwillow, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 13:54:50
  - Are you serous, please please keep us informed, I couldn't bare to miss that. (NT) -- NWM, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 15:00:05
  - I think you mean Lawrence Morgan??? I'm sure John, his dad, wouldn't be seen dead on such a programme. Not even sure he can sing, mind you neither can most of them :oP (NT) -- Meself ;o), Thu, Feb 22 2007, 23:05:05
- Anyone see that irish dance TC on Deal or No Deal the other day? Anyone know her? DD reckons she looks familiar? (NT) -- storm, Thu, Feb 22 2007, 23:34:59
HAPPY BIRTHDAY today to Stacey Pinnegar. Hope you do something reallt nice today. Hello hopalong Leah, speak soon. I miss you -- Michelleand Jazz, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 15:13:15 [1]

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Does anyone know how I could get in contact with the organisers of the Trainor feis regarding lost property. Thank you for your help -- Shelle-Anne, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 10:17:32 [5]

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- I'd try Des in the first instance, Shelley-Anne ( lol at the name ;oP ) as I've known him to list lost property on his website in the past. He could also forward an e-mail to Debbie & Bernadette for you. Secondly, post this question along with your contact details on the UK & Ireland board. I recently found some quite valuable lost property at our own school's feis & gave it to our TC. On Monday morning I found a message from the owner's Dad on the UK MB & I was able to ring him & let him know how to contact our TCs Someone from Trainor is bound to visit that board sooner or later.If those things don't work, get Des to put a message about it on his homepage & ask Bob at MCGL to do the same, as they are both high-traffic sites. Hope this helps, fingers crossed you'll get it all back (NT) -- OSRM, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 11:03:05
- OSRM You always have such helpful info. I'm still annoyed about losing it but a lil bit calmer. Thanks for the congrats for j she's made up. (NT) -- Shelley-Anne, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 11:37:15
- Once again thank to everyone I have spoke to Bernadette Trainor and I'm going to pick up the lost property tomorrow. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions and e-mails. (NT) -- Shelley-Anne, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 16:41:18
  - Great news, really pleased for you and girls. It restores faith in people, especially ID community. (NT) -- Bridie, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 17:42:44
U13 Results from Trainor 1 Caitlin Heed 2 Katherine Vincent 3 Owen Sherman 4 Jessica Dunne 5 Blanain Carney 6 Daniella Fortunelli 7 Sarah Farrell 8 Francessa Rolanson Buckley 9th Michael Casey 10th Ciara Campbell 11th Alisha Cowman 12th Jazzmine Grimes 13th Gabrielle Nurse 14th Abigail Healy-Proctor 15th Siobhan Morgan 16th Tammy Dennis 16th Niamh McGovern 18th Ryan Barry 19th Rebecca Keegan 20th Jess Leach 21st Tara Goulding 22nd Sophie Frankum 23rd Siobhan Berryman 24th Danielle Mohan 25th Rebecca Field 25 Lydia Benvenga 27 Fionnuala Hourihan 28th Aisleen Dunne 29 Connor O'Neil 30th Chloe Dagnell 32 Erin Coll 33rd Dominic Devlin 34th Alice Kirrane 35 Abigail McCarthy 36 Niamh Gleeson 37th Shannon Sulston 38th Lucy Sullivan 39th Grace Horan 40th Joanne Harrington 41st Eamon O'Keefe -- What a tough competition,, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 20:05:03 [10]

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- Massive Congratulations to Simona and Steph (NT) -- well done girlies, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 21:26:44
  - Good to see ya Shelley-Anne ( hehe ), very well done indeed to J, great place in a tough comp!! How did the littly fare? (NT) -- OSRM, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 14:06:52
    - Hiya, littly is DEFINITELY not doing feis yet. Are you trying to bankrupt me lol. By the way can anyone please HELP if anyone has picked up a Pair of Heavie a Pink pair of Bloc shoes 4 pairs of Socks and a Beginners CD, please let me know. (NT) -- Shelley, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 18:46:04
    - Now OSRM Don't go confusing people. Must say Love the twist think I'll definitely go for that name (NT) -- Shelley, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:10:23
      - Sorry, Shelley, thought you had a tiddler feising too, my misunderstanding. Sorry to hear you've lost a lot of stuff but I'll bet it all turns up once the clearing up is done, so try e-mailing/phoning the Trainors tomorrow. (NT) -- OSR, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:30:43
        
        HI OSR no prob she's only just started dancing. I'm seriously hoping that it's been handed in,as of 12pm it there was nothing as I spoke to Anthony Davis and he asked Des, Fingers crossed. Hopefully i'll see you soon (NT) -- Shelley-Anne, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:34:29
- This is such a tough age group. Most of the top 10 would be worthy winners, I would hate to have to try and choose between them as they are all beautiful. (NT) -- U13 spectator, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 16:12:17
- excellent comp and well judged I thought (NT) -- observer, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:44:45
- Hopefully more feis organisers will take a hint from this feis and have a couple more like these a year. I'm not saying every feis should do this, but it ca DEFINITELY be done without too much disruption. (NT) -- mum, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 0:51:26
Nice diversion from recent posts -- USmom, Wed, Feb 07 2007, 12:40:50 [10]
THIS video is what it is all about. Forget the "look" forget anything else. Click on this video circa 1988. Downfall of Paris done better than anything I've seen at a feis or major. Turnout was not that important back then--it was about steps, crispness and being clean. Watch it more than once, First time you will be amused, after that you will see how precise these dancers are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryqfq3zex1w

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- Absolutely georgous, thanks for the link (NT) -- wishwillow, Wed, Feb 07 2007, 15:26:01
- Am I missing a joke here? If so then sorry but I agree it was nice enough but no-where near enough effort like you see at feises these days and they stil manage to be just as precise. Kick outs not even past the waist?? Brought back great memories though! (NT) -- storm, Wed, Feb 07 2007, 18:55:31
- So happy you are happy. I'm not feeling the love, though. It's like comparing a swan dive with Greg Louganis. Both nice, but not in the same league. (NT) -- Oh, well., Wed, Feb 07 2007, 19:58:52
- Storm, that was done when Irish Dancing was a cultural activity and a hobby for the dancer, and the teacher extracts as must dosh as is possible out of teaching. What you are referring to is when Irish Dancing became a commercial enterprise, and the kids have no time for anything else. I suppose you are indeed missing the fleeting show on pants (knicker if you don't understand), and the 59 rocks in the set dance or jig/hornpipe to avoid having to do the one thing you're suppsed to in a heavy dance, i.e. treble (as with some of the present day multiple champions)? Do you know what? Progress isn't always progress, is it? (NT) -- In it too long, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 19:45:49
- Storm, that was done when Irish Dancing was a cultural activity and a hobby for the dancer, and the teacher DIDN't extract as must dosh as is possible out of teaching. What you are referring to is when Irish Dancing became a commercial enterprise, and the kids have no time for anything else. I suppose you are indeed missing the fleeting show on pants (knicker if you don't understand), and the 59 rocks in the set dance or jig/hornpipe to avoid having to do the one thing you're suppsed to in a heavy dance, i.e. treble (as with some of the present day multiple champions)? Do you know what? Progress isn't always progress, is it? (NT) -- In it too long - meant to say didn't extract as much dosh, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 19:47:31
  - I am very much aware of the 'cultural activity' that it used to be, I could have been looking at myself in my younger day on that link (more inside) -- storm, Sun, Feb 11 2007, 1:01:30
    - Tend to agree with you storm. Your post (inside) gave me a chuckle. Thanks (NT) -- mum, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 22:43:16
- Where us this video? I can't seem to find it now! (NT) -- Thanks!, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 14:53:12
  - link has been taken down, not sure why. A shame to have lost it, even though it may not have been as flashy as some dancing is now, the steps were lovely to see and danced well. (NT) -- wishwillow, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 0:32:01
Hi, I have a complaint, I'm fed up of going to feis and seeing the same vendor, I'd like a choice of who to buy my wigs from, I have a choice who to buy my daughters dress from, who to buy my shoes from. WHY oh WHY am I not allowed to choose who to buy my childs wig from. -- mumm, Thu, Feb 15 2007, 23:06:39 [17]

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- Yay Feispix will be at the Trainor Feis (NT) -- I'm Sooooooo Happy, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 0:38:22
- i agree, often at ordinary feis i've only seen one vendor selling wigs and stuff, do vendors only want to do big feis like majors and dont consider ordinary feis worth their time, (NT) -- more choice please, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 2:22:34
  - perhaps it is a case of some of the vendors not knowing about the feis, or that the associated costs of being there are simply not worth their effort ..after all unless they already have a child dancing in the particular feis then it is a specific trip for them..and if it is a smaller feis with likelyhood of small sales there is a good chance the trip would end up costing them money... thereby forcing htem to raise prices even more - it is a vicious circle... I guess they have to weigh up the pros and cons of each feis and consider whether it is viable for them. At least you get vendors - I have to send away interstate or overseas and trust catalogues and internet... (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 5:16:43
    - Hey Lee, hope you're well. I have to say after speaking to a couple of vendors, they are told they cannot be accomadated because certain other vendors are paying 500.00 up front to keep other vendors OUT. Thats ok for the vendor to pay the 500.00 but what about our choice. Not evreryone has a credit card etc. So I'd like to go to a feis see a CHOICE and get what I'd like (NT) -- only my lil opinion., Fri, Feb 16 2007, 10:22:29
      - OMG .. paying to keep the competition OUT.. they mustn't be very confident of their product. If they did that here in Australia it would raise eyebrows with Consumer Affairs...I don't have a credit card either so I use Paypal (can be linked to a normal bank account ) or I also have Debit only Visa . .which means I have to put cash into it to be able to use it... it does stop you from overspending..lol. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 5:41:42
- You DO have a choice. Order on line. We always have, as have friends. Give it a whirl! (NT) -- Options., Fri, Feb 16 2007, 6:14:08
  - it's only better to order online when you know exactly what you want, then there is the wait for delivery and if the item isn't right, having to send it back, the cost of which isn't always covered by the seller. And you can't browse the same way online, it's nice to physically pick things up and check them. When it comes to wigs and shoes, especially, they need to be tried on. I personally do buy a lot online and mostly from overseas because of price, but used to always wander round different vendors at feis and buy something I just like. Now with feis so often only having one vendor I don't bother. If what the other post says is true, then that is really bad. That one vendor can block others from a feis like that. Shame on feis organisers who go along with it. So much for parents ONCE AGAIN being allowed choice. Even the most oganised people can have problems on the day and need to use vendors, then we need choice. Money running ID? (NT) -- more choice, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 15:27:28
- It's because feis only allow one of each commodity at the feis, mostly due to space. It's well known amongst feis vendors that one particular vendor will offer more money for the pitch than others may be able to afford. Even complains if anyone new comes in, who's not even selling anything remotely similar to what they do! Been there and decided it wasn't worth the hassle with this particular vendor even tho my stock was nothing at all to do with what they sold. Other vendors work the feis between them, which is how it should be. (NT) -- retired feis vendor, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 15:47:21
  - Do the feis orgnaisers get paid for the space they rent out? I have only seen the vendors at 2006 NANs (but I expected more than twere there) so I wouldn't know firsthand. .. Personally I would think that the more vendors / variety the more people would browse etc and that would mean the chances are more people are going to attend the feis in the first place .. which of course rolls around to more money for the feis organisers - doesn't it? (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 5:45:51
    - I would have thought this made sense, I am more inclined to browse when there is more choice of who to buy from. Maybe it is because of internet buying options that vendors are reluctant to attend as many feis. A shame for people with no internet access, no consumers choice for them. (NT) -- wishwillow, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 17:29:40
    - Some feis organisers ask for a donation, others expect at least 10% of your takings, others ask for a flat fee....one feis I did expected Ł150 for the w/e. I spent over Ł900 on stock for that one, thinking we'd be in a prime position, but no, we were stuck out of the way and I took less than Ł100 Feis organiser wasn't too pleased when I could only offfer him Ł10, but not as miffed as myself who had paid for 2 nights in a hotel, petrol from over 200miles away, dancers feis entries and meals etc...I went home, as you can imagine, out of pocket and totally deflated :o( (NT) -- retired feis vendor, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 18:04:29
- Being completely practical for a moment, remember that for feis vendors this is their livelihood. If they travel 300 miles or so and spend two days on their stalls plus loading and unloading their vans, they need to make a profit on all of that or they go hungry. Now, if there are two similar vendors at an ordinary feis there will almost certainly not be enough customers to go around. If you were a feis vendor, and you knew another vendor was going to a feis, would YOU go? (NT) -- I wouldn't, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 12:34:42
  - I think the gist of the conversation is that other vendors are being ought out by one particular one in person, they'd love to go to feis and give parents and children the opportunity of CHOICE but aren't being allowed its not about them not making enough money they aren't being given the opportunity to earn any (NT) -- my thoughts, Sat, Feb 17 2007, 21:33:26
    - I was told this as well by one vendor at the all irelands, they are kept out by someone who pays a back hander to the feis organisers. No surprises that this side of feising is corrupt as well. (NT) -- SR Mum, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 16:15:47
      - And I could prob tell you who it was too!!! (NT) -- retired feis vendor, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 18:06:14
        
        chances are after a few more feis it will become obvious, when we see only the same vendor every time, (NT) -- more choice wanted, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 19:52:23
good luck to all going to Trainer feis this weekend, especially MOS dancers -- wishwillow, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 2:30:05 [1]

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Michael Flatley. Just got this off feisresults live commentary, the Man himself on stage. Delighted to see him on the road to full recovery. The recalls for the main Championship have been announced, but there has been a pause in the proceedings as MICHAEL FLATLEY himself has appeared on stage to present a cheque to An Coimisium which is going to be used to sponsor a complete set of new World trophies for this years championsips. They are to be Globe in shape and to have all the names of previous winners engraved upon them. -- MOD, Sat, Feb 03 2007, 20:08:28 [25]

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- Thank you mr Flately. (NT) -- anon, Sat, Feb 03 2007, 21:21:17
- hear hear! If more people had a heart like Micheal we would not need to have all the petty bickering in the different associations ruining things... let the dancers be recognised for their talent..thank you Mr Flatley! (NT) -- Lee in Darwin - stirring the pot?, Mon, Feb 05 2007, 9:46:40
- I'd prefer if he paid his professional dancers for the time's he holds them under contract and yet doesn't have them doing work, e.g. when he was supposedly sick!!!! (NT) -- If only, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 19:52:13
- OOOOOOOOOOOOOO do you know something that no-one else knows about this mans' illness (NT) -- a bit harsh., Sat, Feb 10 2007, 19:56:23
  - Harsh is trying to live without money, whilst Mr Flatley gets his insurance to covers his losses (NT) -- Huh!, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 20:04:27
    - Those dancers could also have had insurance in place, there are two sides to every story (NT) -- not all his fault, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 20:13:55
      - What insurance? They remain under contract and therefore are not either "unemployed" or "available to work elsewhere" and are not "allowed join another show" unless they breach their contract or resign! They are not given any of the appropriate forms so insurance doesn't cover the dancer at all! There are loads of issues with these kids, vis-a-vis contracts, but what kid can afford (or have the moral fibre) to take on a big company and prove it!, e.g. -- Do you know anything?, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 20:37:33
        
        i know this to be true also as my friend was one of the dancers stranded in london and then sent home whilst still under contract (NT) -- so couldnt work any other shows...shame, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 22:21:26
        Yes I do. As with any employment the employee has an option to take out personal insurance cover, it isn't up to the employer to provide forms. It might cost, but in this situation it appears that it would have been justified. In addition it should be noted that employment law applies to this job just as any other so the addendum is not legally binding or enforceable. In such a situation there would be a case for constructive dismissal, and a lawyer would be happy to take on a big company. You seem to think these "kids" are different to the "kids" in normal jobs with unjust bosses. They either accept the situation or challenge, to each his own. owever, I do think it is diabolical that MF's company have behaved this way, and the dancers should combine to start a legal challenge, so that no individual can be made the scapegoat (NT) -- speak to an employment lawyer, Sun, Feb 11 2007, 12:10:55
        
        You miss the point, so I'll make it simple for you ... under the terms of their "contract" they remain employed, but the dancer doesn't get any pay. With me so far? As a direct consequence, insurance policies are not applicable, as it is only in the case of sickness, redundancy, or loss of job that any payout would be made. Still with me? As regards collective bargaining or a group lawsuit, each and every dancer is an individual, and at appropriate times they are brought into rooms, separately, told to tear up existing contracts, and sign new ones, or they are out of work! Still with me? It is clearly a corporation bullying individuals but to "kids" or whatever else you want to call them, the majority have never worked before and therefore what was said before still applies. (NT) -- If only you really understood., Sun, Feb 11 2007, 19:52:26
        
        How patronising you are. Yes I understood fully. However, you do not understand what I said. There is always the option of insurance, you just have to approach a specialist broker, who works in the particular field (ANYTHING can be insured against for a price - eg rain on your wedding day) If they have signed a contract that keeps them "employed" but agrees to no wages then that agreement is illegal and therefore they are at liberty to just walk away and join another show. However if being in this show is more important to them than working with an honest employer then they have no-one but themselves to blame. I called them kids because the previous post did. If you really believe they are kids then the parents should ensure they are protected, just as they would if they got an office or factory job and were mistreated. They are not individuals they are employees so can do something. speak to the performers union (Equity) (NT) -- stop patronising too, Sun, Feb 11 2007, 20:32:36
        
        It is very unlikely that any of these dancers are members of Equity as most of them will not have had previous employment to qualify them to be a member. As for the insurance thing, how many people insure their own job? (NT) -- A retired proffesional dancer, Mon, Feb 12 2007, 8:53:00
        
        I didn't say it was common, just possible, and if people are agreeing to dodgy contracts they need to take steps to protect themselves. Although they are not likely to be in Equity yet I think you would find they would help as this is the sort of thing they exist for. They would probably expect dancers to join them though (NT) -- shouldn't be necessary tho', Mon, Feb 12 2007, 9:13:33
        
        You only get help from Equity if you are a member. Also if you are in a show with the most well known dancer/producer in ID show buisness then why would you think you would need insurance ? Thats what understudies are for. (NT) -- Retired proffesional dancer, Mon, Feb 12 2007, 15:39:38
        
        some people work for the most well known companies or businesses in the World, they still take out personal insurance just in case. (NT) -- rose coloured glasses, Mon, Feb 12 2007, 20:15:19
        
        Unfortunately you are well adrift of reality. In this part of the world there are standard employment protection policies for sale, none of which would cover the circumstances where they remain 'technically' in employment. Your second point vis-a-vis the forms relate to forms confirming they are no longer employed, and not insurance forms as you [Mis]interpreted. They need these forms along with relevant P45 equivilents to claim under the terms of applicable poilicies. Apologies about supposedly patronising you, but in the end you still don't understand! They are employed by a UK registered company and UK laws apply, so having a custom made 'insurance policy' would not be accepted.. (NT) -- ooops, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 22:58:35
        
        I'm sorry but I am in the insurance game, and can assure that a Lloyds underwriter can insure you against your contract being suspended in this way. They are not unemployed, (hence ASU policies not valid) but rather in suspension. I would assume it is fairly common with the shows, so might already be an "off the shelf" product, but if not an underwriter would cover the risk. So I am not, as you quaintly put it, adrift from reality, Why can you not respond without being insulting? We have differing views, but that doesn't mean you are automatically right. (NT) -- play nice, Wed, Feb 14 2007, 20:42:59
        
        So how many young dancers just starting out on their first job would realisticly be able to afford this sort of insurance policy (NT) -- Dancers being not well paid anyway, Wed, Feb 14 2007, 21:00:31
        
        Now that we understand that you are supposedly in the know then please tell these dancers what policies are available to them and what brokers are providing them. While everyone else working in the insurance game, including brokers, are saying their is no such coverage available, and therefore they don't know what you do, tell who is selling these "new" products! (NT) -- "ooops i did it again!", Thu, Feb 15 2007, 0:53:58
        
        Just to weigh into this .. can I ask a question that may or may not clarify things for me..being in Australia does mean we have different laws so I might not have it right anyway. If the dancer is not getting paid because the show is not playing, but they are not free to find alternate employ during this 'standdown period' does that mean that they are getting a percentage of the show takings? I mean that either they are on wages (weekly pay for work) or salary (weekly pay regardless of hours) or commission based (so they get paid only if they perform) or do they have annual leave etc to draw upon which would also be paid (or is that only in Aus?).. I get the whole insurance thing, just can't understand why they are not getting paid just because MF is off sick?..whatever happened to 'the show must go on'? -- Lee in Darwin, Thu, Feb 15 2007, 6:31:08
        I thought I made it clear that you need to ask a Lloyds Underwriter to write a policy. Lloyds of London are listed. Try contacting them (NT) -- enough, Thu, Feb 15 2007, 21:05:38
        
        insurance is not my question..that is something that personally I feel everyone should have anyway... you insure your house & contents, your car etc why not insure your income too, so for me that is a no brainer anyway. I just can't understand what sort of pay schedule these dancers are on. I am sure that whichever way you look at it they are not as aware of their circumstances as we would all hope, however, they did sign a contract and they should have been aware of what that contract meant. If they didn't understand it they should have had a lawyer or someone read it for them before they signed it. Most countries as far as I am aware would have a free legal service of some sort that probably would have loved to have had a look at the contract before they signed. Even university / college law professors would look at it for them. Whilst I feel very sorry for the dancers involved, surely all of them can't have mis-understood the possibility of no show = no pay? (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Fri, Feb 16 2007, 0:25:06
- I don't think anyone is attacking you,as we don't know the facts, but you seem to be one of those affected. Just trying to get the correct info, before making a judgement thats all. You have to remember that most of us who use this and other boards don't have children in shows, so therefore don't know about insurance etc... (NT) -- sorry you feel attacked, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 22:43:58
- If you do enough google searching, you can find out what the "illness" is (NT) -- goooooogle, Thu, Feb 15 2007, 3:19:09
wiggy issues. most people now know about the new rules for no wigs for beginners and of course there is the 'new' style farrah wig that has supposedly made its appearance at the AI's. today i bought some styling goop for hair and hot tonged my dd's hair into the farrah look!! she loves it lol. we will see how it fairs by the end of the day but this could be how she will wear her hair at the next beginners comp!! -- laughing mum, Sun, Feb 11 2007, 11:03:20 [10]

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- lets us know how it looks, this could save us a fortune now, hope we will all be laughing soon (NT) -- Bridie, Sun, Feb 11 2007, 21:39:21
- told her teacher at class tonight about the 'new' look wig and our attempt to duplicate it (rather accurately too i might add lol) they were taken back as they hadnt heard about the new look, but open to her wearing her hair like this at the comp. will let you know the out come (NT) -- :), Mon, Feb 12 2007, 12:19:37
- Most girls here in Ireland wear thier hair tied back into a half ponytail or with an Alice band for dancing. (NT) -- Looks much nicer, Mon, Feb 12 2007, 15:43:25
- I've just e-mailed the Irsh dancing mags about adverts for wigs. My daughter is an Inetrmediate dancer and because I can see wigs on white models I don't know what it would look like on my daughter so therefore she dances with her natural short curly hair. Unfortunately I think she's penalised for it. I'd love for the vendors to relise that there are children of colour out there dancing be it a small number but help us out by advertising wigs on these children. So that the rest of us can have an idea of what we're looking for. (NT) -- Lolly, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 22:11:08
  - Does the colour of model's face make any difference? I am not against you just trying to get your point. Are you trying to match the colours? Photos look different anyway so wigmakers usually send out samples. Or the shape of the face? Then even model of colour could look different than your daughter. (NT) -- confused?, Wed, Feb 14 2007, 4:09:13
    - One of the wig vendors models the wigs herself and most of the rest of them use their own children as models. But you still need to try them on to see if they suit your shape of face as that is more important than anything. (NT) -- .., Wed, Feb 14 2007, 21:04:24
      - Thanks for that advice, to confused yes of course the colour matters, whats the point of having a blonde/ginger wig on a child of colour? But I've had some luck today. (NT) -- Lolly, Wed, Feb 14 2007, 21:19:42
        
        Hi Lolly ..I sympathise with you having friends in the same boat.. maybe you could try this...have nice photo of dd in her dance dress, find wig in magazine that you think you might like, go to website and find same wig in dd colour, then print and cut out wig. Place wig cutting on photo of dd and see if you like it... otherwise you have to cut up the photo of dd so she has no hair and put it up to the photos on the website... sounds odd but seems to work for my friends. hope that might be an option for you. (NT) -- Lee in Darwin, Thu, Feb 15 2007, 6:38:30
        Lolly, I'd advise you if at all possible to go along to a feis and try wigs on at a vendor's stall. Colour is not very accurate in magazines, and is notoriously bad on computer screens. If you can't get to a vendor, ask one to send you their sample swatches instead. (NT) -- ., Thu, Feb 15 2007, 17:18:38

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