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Subject: I forgot to mention both Dakotas-I love them as well! Esp. South Dakota. She is young, fresh, unique, and has done well enough all week. Would love to see her in the top 10.


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Date Posted: 22:14:50 12/14/22 Wed
In reply to: Owner/Moderator 's message, "SOME THOUGHTS AFTER THIS WEEK" on 21:50:44 12/14/22 Wed

>This has been a very interesting week at Miss America.
>It is always fun to predict and then see if we are
>right or wrong. It’s funny-these are the most
>pageants I have seen and thought I was certain who was
>standing out, yet it’s a whole new ballgame at Miss
>America. There are always times when you may or may
>not agree with who won, but there is a way that you
>can tell who is going to excel and not. When I saw
>Miss TX, I thought Averie was the next Miss America.
>I haven’t ruled her out, but I am not sure she was
>up to what we saw at Miss TX. But, you never know!
>We aren’t privy to interview. Some of the winners
>nobody ever saw coming. But maybe that’s the fun in
>all of this. Going into tomorrow night, I don’t
>think any of us really know what to expect, and who is
>going to win. Me personally, I do not see one person
>excelling in all areas, except perhaps Wisconsin and
>Georgia. I expect to see them in the end.
>
>My personal favorites this week were from non-sash
>states. They usually are, because despite the wins of
>Nebraska, North Dakota and Alaska, you still do not
>see those states on a regular basis. I must say,
>though-Nebraska has really grown and are sending
>quality contestants year in and year out. Stephanie
>has been consistent all week and memorable. Last
>year’s winner was, they are sending good talent, I
>am overall impressed.
>
>Some of my personal favorites this week:
>
>Maine-I LOVE her! She has very good talent and
>something really refreshing and real about her, plus
>she did well enough in each competition. Maine is
>always working against fate at the Miss America
>pageant, but I wish that one of these years they would
>break through. This would be the year, IMO. She is
>not unlike Cara or Emma that you would fall in love
>with her. There’s just something very real about
>her.
>Wyoming-She is absolutely adorable and fresh. I think
>she mentioned that this was her first pageant or first
>year competing, but now with systems like USA and
>Volunteer, I don’t think we’ve seen the last of
>her. With some good competition behind her, she could
>excel at a national pageant.
>West Virginia-this is a state that is showing signs of
>life, and they certainly did this year. She is one of
>my dark horses. She is natural, fresh, enthusiastic,
>and has managed to blend her SII in a positive way.
>She is competing like she is not under pressure and
>just letting us know who she is.
>Montana-She has been one of my pleasant surprises the
>whole week. She has been consistently good. Not
>outstanding, but good and very likeable. She really
>has done her state proud.
>Maryland-I didn’t know much about her before the
>pageant, but I really like her. She is interesting,
>has a great platform, and everything she did was
>confident yet down-to-earth. Like WV, she doesn’t
>seem to be stressed out and is really just letting us
>get to know her.
>Delaware-She is such a sweet girl, I just love her to
>pieces. If I had to pick anyone from this class to be
>my best friend, it would be her. She is a great
>spokesperson for the adoptive community and her
>adoptive parents gave her a lot. She didn’t get
>where she is by accident. She is just so damned cute
>and lovable, and she has a gift to share with the
>world.
>Nevada-Getting to know her, I absolutely love her. I
>would love for another state to have their first win.
>
>We may be seeing a changing of the guard as far as
>judging. We will see what happens tomorrow night, but
>what worked in the past was just not floating with
>these judges. We do need some modern judging.
>There’s no “what do we need to do to modernize the
>pageant, get ratings” etc. because we are off the
>air. The ship officially sank. I don’t even know
>if Miss America will be on shows like Kelly and Ryan
>or GMA for a national tour. Sadly, Emma had such a
>marketable platform with Special Olympics and it was
>never utilized. So, I think you do what you do, pick
>a great winner, and see what she can do with her year.
>
>It was nice having Emma host preliminaries. I don’t
>know why that was never an option before. I think it
>is good to incorporate the outgoing Miss America. It
>might have been out of respect for her busy schedule,
>but it is a great opportunity to have the outgoing
>Miss America be a part of the process. I don’t
>think Emma is too sad about giving up her crown.
>Maybe because she didn’t have nearly as much to do
>as some of her other Miss America sisters.
>
>I will post my official predictions tomorrow. But for
>fun, here were my predictions on this board since it
>has opened:
>
>2008-Elyse Umemoto
>2009-Katie Stam
>2010-Katherine Putnam
>2011-Jalee Fuselier
>2012-Kaitlin Monte
>2013a-Laura McKeeman
>2013b-Kelsey Griswold
>2014- Kira Kazantsev (I saw her coming)
>2015-I think I predicted Betty after prelims
>2016-wasn’t sure, that year was kind of like this
>year
>2017-I had nowhere near the top 5 that year
>2018-Holli Conway
>2019-Camille or Victoria Hill
>2021-Sidney Park
>
>So, you see that I doom my predictions mostly to
>runner-up positions. I apologize ahead of time for
>whoever I pick! I will post my complete contestant
>rundown and picks tomorrow. Until then, enjoy the
>preliminary commentary!

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[> Subject: This year, prelim and finals are judged by the same panel. Any thoughts on the same panel being used for prelim and finals?


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Date Posted: 09:34:53 12/15/22 Thu

[> [> Subject: I think there are plus and minuses for both ways. The plus for this is that they get to know the contestants and probably have a better idea than a separate panel who has those Miss America qualities. more inside


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Date Posted: 11:43:59 12/15/22 Thu

The minus with this is that they may have their minds made up before the final night of competition and other contestants might not have the opportunity to win.

The plus with a separate panel is that the possible biases of the preliminary panel will not be in place. You can get a more well-rounded winner who appeals to a variety of people. The drawback is what author William Goldman described in his book Hype and Glory. He was on a final night panel who selected Gretchen Carlson, and he felt that she was not deserving of the title. It did come out afterwards that had the preliminary panel stayed in place that there would have been a different winner.

If you look back on each type of panel they picked good and bad winners. So, it's hard to say that one stands out. I personally am a fan of the two panel system just because there is a broader appeal for the winner.
[> [> [> Subject: William Goldman was on the preliminary panel, not the final night panel.


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Date Posted: 15:41:11 12/15/22 Thu

[> [> [> [> Subject: no he was not..Trevor Booker is/was the only make judge


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Date Posted: 15:47:48 12/15/22 Thu

[> [> [> [> Subject: I have the book somewhere I will have to go back and look. That would make sense though, because he mentioned finding Gretchen's interview question offensive. She said, "I am from the Midwest, where people still have values." He said it struck him poorly because people had values in other areas of the country.


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Date Posted: 16:49:00 12/15/22 Thu


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