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Subject: i really do not know. It is a shame that these ladies who are in place to be a positive person in society choose not to be and also are unaware that they are doing so


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Date Posted: 19:48:48 02/06/20 Thu
In reply to: Owner/Moderator 's message, "WHY ARE PAGEANTS SINGLED OUT?" on 15:54:50 02/03/20 Mon

>I watched the Super Bowl last night as many of us did,
>and the halftime show. I felt very frustrated by what
>I saw. It was NOT empowering to women. Far from it.
>Basically, it was eye candy for the hordes of men or
>pre-pubescent teenagers. I looked at Twitter after
>that to see if anyone felt the same way that I did.
>Not a word, not a criticism. Latina women were proud
>to see them representing their community. And of
>course there weren't any men complaining, save the
>racist ones who thought that it was "too Spanish". I
>saw no criticism, but I did see so many videos of
>Shakira making the lizard tongue that it had to be one
>every third or fourth post. I didn't read much more
>after that, I got the idea.
>
>How does this relate to pageants? We get it by
>now-pageants are degrading to women. The MAO
>community is still hotly debating the elimination of
>swimsuits. And those of you who read this board
>regularly know that I agreed with the argument that it
>is sexist to ask women in a "scholarship pageant" to
>walk around in a swimsuit to win a "scholarship" or a
>"job". You wouldn't find Mark Zuckerberg asking women
>to walk in a swimsuit and heels for their jobs. But
>on the other side of the argument, women who compete
>in swimsuit are NOT selling their sexuality or bodies.
> Whereas, Jennifer Lopez would not even be in the
>public vernacular if she didn't sell her body and
>sexuality. She's a talented dancer. But so is
>Julianne Hough, and she gets plenty of work for being
>talented in the world of dancing. And think about the
>U.S. women's soccer team. They captured the attention
>and admiration not only of our country, but by many
>people around the world. They are clearly fit women,
>talented, and worked extremely hard for all they
>accomplished. They did not have to sell their
>sexuality or bodies to be noticed. Female empowerment
>is about being empowered without being looked at for
>your accomplishments without regards to your looks,
>your sexuality, etc. It's about who you are as a
>person and your intelligence, ambition, etc. Even
>though a contestant was required to walk across the
>stage in a swimsuit, they weren't twirking for cameras
>and shaking their bodies in a sexual way.
>
>So, why are pageants targeted when a hell of a lot
>worse not only continues, but why is it encouraged?
>Especially
> that we are becoming more advanced and understanding
>in our society and women are moving towards equality,
>why the display like we saw last night? I just don't
>understand it. If you are a feminist, which I am, you
>should not feel comfortable with an entertainment
>industry that constantly sells sex. You can have a
>great halftime show without selling women's sexuality.
> When Coldplay performed a few years ago, Beyoncé
>came out and finished the show. Did the powers that
>be think that we could not possibly be entertained
>with just Coldplay? I am trying to understand the
>larger picture here where pageants are demonized for a
>lot less and when outright exploitation of women is
>still not discouraged. Any thoughts?

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[> [> Subject: I am glad I'm not the only one who seems confused about this. I also do not think evening wear is degrading at all. In fact, I am looking forward to tuning in for the red carpet tomorrow night. To me, evening gown is a celebratory event. It's time to feel and look like a beautiful person and look as best as you can to celebrate all you have accomplished.


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Date Posted: 12:27:48 02/08/20 Sat

>>I watched the Super Bowl last night as many of us did,
>>and the halftime show. I felt very frustrated by what
>>I saw. It was NOT empowering to women. Far from it.
>>Basically, it was eye candy for the hordes of men or
>>pre-pubescent teenagers. I looked at Twitter after
>>that to see if anyone felt the same way that I did.
>>Not a word, not a criticism. Latina women were proud
>>to see them representing their community. And of
>>course there weren't any men complaining, save the
>>racist ones who thought that it was "too Spanish". I
>>saw no criticism, but I did see so many videos of
>>Shakira making the lizard tongue that it had to be one
>>every third or fourth post. I didn't read much more
>>after that, I got the idea.
>>
>>How does this relate to pageants? We get it by
>>now-pageants are degrading to women. The MAO
>>community is still hotly debating the elimination of
>>swimsuits. And those of you who read this board
>>regularly know that I agreed with the argument that it
>>is sexist to ask women in a "scholarship pageant" to
>>walk around in a swimsuit to win a "scholarship" or a
>>"job". You wouldn't find Mark Zuckerberg asking women
>>to walk in a swimsuit and heels for their jobs. But
>>on the other side of the argument, women who compete
>>in swimsuit are NOT selling their sexuality or bodies.
>> Whereas, Jennifer Lopez would not even be in the
>>public vernacular if she didn't sell her body and
>>sexuality. She's a talented dancer. But so is
>>Julianne Hough, and she gets plenty of work for being
>>talented in the world of dancing. And think about the
>>U.S. women's soccer team. They captured the attention
>>and admiration not only of our country, but by many
>>people around the world. They are clearly fit women,
>>talented, and worked extremely hard for all they
>>accomplished. They did not have to sell their
>>sexuality or bodies to be noticed. Female empowerment
>>is about being empowered without being looked at for
>>your accomplishments without regards to your looks,
>>your sexuality, etc. It's about who you are as a
>>person and your intelligence, ambition, etc. Even
>>though a contestant was required to walk across the
>>stage in a swimsuit, they weren't twirking for cameras
>>and shaking their bodies in a sexual way.
>>
>>So, why are pageants targeted when a hell of a lot
>>worse not only continues, but why is it encouraged?
>>Especially
>> that we are becoming more advanced and understanding
>>in our society and women are moving towards equality,
>>why the display like we saw last night? I just don't
>>understand it. If you are a feminist, which I am, you
>>should not feel comfortable with an entertainment
>>industry that constantly sells sex. You can have a
>>great halftime show without selling women's sexuality.
>> When Coldplay performed a few years ago, Beyoncé
>>came out and finished the show. Did the powers that
>>be think that we could not possibly be entertained
>>with just Coldplay? I am trying to understand the
>>larger picture here where pageants are demonized for a
>>lot less and when outright exploitation of women is
>>still not discouraged. Any thoughts?


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