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[> [> Subject: If she can get some pharmaceuticals, it would be a big deal. Purportedly, Nicole Johnson earned $500K her year and that was 20 years ago. I think there were several reasons for Camille's win, but I do think that like in Nia's case, the sponsor talk only helped. But I still think MAO has major problems holding onto sponsors. So, they better learn how to work with them properly.
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Date Posted: 20:55:09 12/30/19 Mon
>>I just want to comment on the pure chaos that has
>>happened after the pageant. First of all, Katelynne
>>Cox came out and said that she was silenced by NBC and
>>the MAO. The pageant happened 24 hours after the
>>third time in our nation's history where a president
>>has been impeached. There was a primary debate
>>happening at the same time. But what she said was
>>quite newsworthy and had it not happened during that
>>time, I think it would have been the story that hit
>>the news. It still might. I read Marilyn VanDerbur's
>>book, and she talked about how she was coming out as a
>>childhood sexual abuse survivor around the time she
>>was asked to judge. She told NBC that she would only
>>judge if she was announced as a sexual abuse survivor.
>> From what I remember, they didn't initially feel
>>comfortable with it, but she was insistent. And she
>>was able to judge and be announced as a sexual abuse
>>survivor. That was either 1990 or 1991. How shameful
>>that we went backwards 30 years later. And how
>>shameful and hypocritical of the MAO for saying that
>>this is supposed to be about social impacts and then
>>saying it's too much. There are MANY brave
>>contestants who shared their story about being
>>sexually violated over the years and surviving it.
>>Mallory's platform was regarding childhood sexual
>>abuse. MAO, YOU created these rules that a contestant
>>needed to show a commitment to a specific platform.
>>And then when someone wants to take on something
>>uncomfortable, you want them to shut up? I do hope
>>that Katelynne has a chance to speak out in the media
>>and confront this. And I hope this story does not
>>disappear. As far as NBC, they kept their own predator
>>on the air for several years until finally women came
>>forward and forced them to do something about it.
>>They have no moral high ground here, but I'm not
>>surprised. I know there is a camp out there who
>>thinks Sam Haskell would have been better right now.
>>I say no, because when you demean women, it's the same
>>thing as NBC and the current MAO did to Katelynne.
>>Same thing, there's no difference.
>>
>>And there is the other problem. Supposedly, Texas
>>wanted to leave this week. Oregon, the preliminary
>>interview winner, called for transparency. I think
>>that something went seriously wrong during pageant
>>week. Last year, titleholders like Christine
>>Williamson and Annie Jorgensen came forward and talked
>>about their experiences. I highly doubt it has been
>>easier on this year's contestants. During the
>>"orientation", it was reported that the contestants
>>were told they had to tow the line or else. I think
>>they were intimidated into what we saw this week.
>>There seems to be at least some thought that this was
>>pre-determined for Camille to win. I think there
>>might have been a push to pick a certain "type" of
>>winner. I am listening to Betty and Savvy as they are
>>talking, and they are concerned that this has become
>>an academic competition. It's always been that you
>>attract academic types and had someone like Erika
>>Harold win. But I also strongly agree that it seems
>>like with these changes that you have to be a certain
>>kind of woman. Now, I do think that Camille is very
>>pretty and she looks like what you think a Miss
>>America should look like. Some people felt that she
>>pandered to win. I don't know what to think. I do
>>have a different theory. Last year during Nia's
>>interview, she said that she brought in sponsors.
>>During the post crowning conference, Camille said that
>>she was approached by corporate sponsors. Is this
>>part of the "judging" factor now-how much the
>>contestant can bring in? But then again, how the hell
>>can they keep sponsors right now and keep them happy?
>>They all jumped ship with the Haskell scandal and
>>NOBODY came on with these so-called changes. There is
>>no proper management. Camille can probably align with
>>large multi-million dollar pharmaceutical companies
>>whereas Georgia would have aligned with children who
>>are so poor their foster families can get public
>>assistance for them. There was no money in her
>>platform. I HOPE I am wrong.
>>
>>And then there was the issue of asking about children
>>and being married. I think it is completely
>>acceptable to be in a relationship and be Miss
>>America. Now as far as being married or divorced and
>>being Miss America. The reality is that most young
>>people are delaying marriage to their late 20s and
>>early 30s at least as well as child-rearing. That is
>>our society. If you happen to get married young under
>>the age of 25 (the current MAO limit) or before, it's
>>not the norm. If you are on the road for 300 days a
>>year, how can you grow your young marriage? And how
>>could you justify leaving a small child alone for a
>>year and more? If you are competing for a state
>>pageant, you are still very busy. This isn't the job
>>for a parent or young wife. And if you happen to be
>>under 25 and divorced, that's a rough ride of it. I
>>had a few friends who married that young, it was a
>>mistake for them, and they were devastated that their
>>lives were affected by divorce at such a young age.
>>You think they want to turn around and do a pageant to
>>get over the devastation of the death of a marriage?
>>Some of these things just do not make sense. I know
>>both GA and VA took some slack for their answers, but
>>I don't think it's realistic to be Miss America and be
>>a mother to a small child. And I don't think it's
>>healthy to have a young marriage and expect to grow it
>>properly. Ask anyone and they will tell you the first
>>few years of marriage are the hardest. It's not about
>>whether you support women or not, it's more about
>>growing a healthy marriage. You can do both. I don't
>>think it is wrong to consider the emotional effects of
>>having an absentee mother, which is what you would be
>>if you were off traveling the country when your child
>>is very young.
>>
>>It looks like we are right back where we started from
>>before this nonsense, and now it did have a national
>>stage for a night. NOBODY likes these changes, and
>>that has to be addressed. My wild and crazy traveling
>>companion said this-we would possibly go to a 100th
>>anniversary Miss America pageant or whatever. But
>>after that, we will not be going if it is like this.
>>They touted that they were online now during the
>>preliminary nights. I saw my first online pageant in
>>2002, Miss Ohio. And I had dialup still. This is not
>>groundbreaking. But it's not worth it to have the
>>non-contestants there for two days in the winter with
>>bad travel and nothing to do otherwise. And two
>>nights of essentially speaking with a little bit of
>>talent thrown in is not worth it.
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