This doesn't sound insulting to me, but rather that the person is pointing out that while you act as though the contestants went through high levels of education to win a pageant, you are missing the point that this IS a pageant! Not every participant desires to go "high level" but to enjoy their accomplishment, and then return to a normal level of life after. Whatever one loves to do does not define WHO they are! -- ILLINOIS Pageants Board

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I'm not going to take the time to recap this thread from start to finish for you and explain how it got to that statement. It would involve dragging Crystal back through the mud and I don't think that serves anyone at this point. I'm also not going to reiterate my point in which I explained why "It's just a pageant," may be insulting to some people. I will just say that if someone's only goal in life is to win a pageant, then they should choose a pageant system for which they are qualified and in which "scholarship" is not identified as one of the four points of the system. "Desiring" and "deserving" are two different things. (NT)	No name	11:26:41 09/07/15 Mon
Since you are so forthright in your criticism of Crystal's academics, what's your academic background? I assume that you must have a PHD in physics from Duke University or something equivalent, correct? If you are going to be so insistent and steadfast that girls with mediocre scholastic ambitions not compete in MAO, you obviously have to be someone who's a shining example. Please do tell. Enquiring minds want to know. (NT) -- No name, 13:15:21 09/07/15 Mon lol I'm not answering your snarky question, not because my education isn't substantial, but because it is irrelevant. In fact, the education of anyone who has commented in this thread, even you, is irrelevant to any discussion about Crystal's choices. If that's your only defense, it's pretty weak. (NT) -- No name, 14:06:25 09/07/15 Mon No, I just think you are like the 300 lb person who rips into contestants for being 5 lbs overweight in swimsuit. In other words, you don't set the example for what you demand out of Crystal or other titleholders, that's all. ;) (NT) -- No name, 19:24:30 09/07/15 Mon Your impression is completely off-base, but what you think means literally nothing to me because this isn't about me. You get an A for your effort in trying to change the focus, though. It's as cute as your wink emoji. (NT) -- No name, 19:55:49 09/07/15 Mon It's interesting you think I am THE person trying to "discredit" Crystal. First of all, I didn't start this thread, nor am I the only one commenting on it. And second of all, she has discredited herself by lying. That's no one else's fault but hers. If Crystal wants to go to school to become a beautician or a welder, I don't care. I think there's honor in that and I would never be so rude as to call that a "mediocre scholastic ambition." She should just be honest about it. If she doesn't want to go to school at all, that's fine, too. This just isn't the program for her, as has been said before. Seriously, what part of people's complaints has your pants in such a bunch? That Crystal hasn't been able to lie without being caught? (NT) -- No name, 20:34:10 09/07/15 Mon So what you're saying is there's no middle ground between "mediocre (or even no) scholastic ambitions" and a PhD from Duke? Well, thanks for the clarification. What a relief for the people who actually care about the program to know that they don't have to worry so much about it! It takes a lot of pressure off those people to know we're really just looking for "mediocre." We can start recruiting even more mediocre girls who "desire" to return to a mediocre life. In fact, we might want to consider giving out participation crowns in the future because every girl who "desires" to compete deserves to get what she wants. I mean, it's just a pageant after all. Thanks! That's going to save some people a lot of time, money and effort. (NT) -- No name, 14:38:27 09/07/15 Mon Did I say that? There was a state titleholder in the 80's who made top 5 at Miss America with the scholastic ambition of finishing cosmotology school. If someone has an educational goal as a means to making an honest living, then I'm all for them using the scholarships in the Miss America program to get there. You missed the point entirely in calling out the person trying to discredit Crystal. While we don't know identity, I'd bet money that there own educational credentials aren't any better than Crystals. If they even have any beyond high school. (NT) -- No name, 19:28:08 09/07/15 Mon I think you meant "their" credentials. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:03 09/07/15 Mon I'm not the person who posted that comment so I realize you're not speaking to me, but you are the one missing the point and what you say makes no sense. Most of us do not want to see education minimized in our program. When that happens, it will officially mark the beginning of the end for MAO. (NT) -- No name, 20:00:30 09/07/15 Mon The beginning of the end was MAO ignoring 9 years worth of complaints about the last group. (NT) -- No name, 00:19:52 09/08/15 Tue I AM the person who posted that and I can honestly say, "yes," that is what you implied through your extremely flawed reasoning. You essentially said that anything less than a PhD from Duke gives a person no right to comment on a girl with "mediocre scholastic ambitions" competing in the program. There is a huge span of difference between "no" scholastic ambition, "mediocre," "adequate," "exceptional" and "outstanding." As a program, we should always strive to have girls who are (a minimum of) adequate to outstanding. Our expectations should be high, not lowered so the "mediocre" girls don't feel left out. If you want to compete in our program, strive harder. There's nothing wrong with sending that message. It's not the program for every girl. (NT) -- No name, 20:51:22 09/07/15 Mon You come on here claiming that Crystal is a liar, as if you are "in the know" and then make half-a*ed excuses by saying the press has better things to cover and MAO is too busy. You have no freakin clue, but keep coming on here ranting and raving about how Crystal has lowered the bar and she's some sort of fraud. The fraud is the person posting this crap on an anonymous message board. If I had proof that someone was a liar or fudging their credentials, I'd step forward, and keep stepping forward until someone listened. But you keep posting here. And you do that because you are either full of crap or don't have any tangible proof. And if truth be known, you probably are a beauty school dropout yourself, and have no business ranting about anyone else. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:10 09/08/15 Tue* Keep thinking all that stuff you just said. It's really ok. You'll eventually realize what many of us (I say "us," because again it's not just ONE person) already know: there's nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't matter because it just isn't that important to anyone but people who care about this pageant, and that is a very small number of people. Crystal is at MA and she'll be Miss IL for a year. And then we'll have new leadership who will hopefully be sure to do a better job checking paperwork, choosing judges and not using their personal insecurities to influence the outcome of the pageant. That's it. You can make this about us, but why aren't you asking someone you believe to be TRULY "in the know" about her? (NT) -- No name, 07:28:34 09/08/15 Tue I think you meant "inquiring." (NT) -- No name, 20:01:35 09/07/15 Mon Here, I mean, I think you meant "inquiring." (NT) -- No name, 20:10:58 09/07/15 Mon lol This thing...never mind. You can figure it out. (NT) -- No name, 20:12:05 09/07/15 Mon You either have no sense of humor or no clue about 70's and 80's pop culture. It's "Enquiring minds" (NT) -- No name, 00:00:15 09/08/15 Tue