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ILLINOIS Pageants Board for Teen, Miss, Ms and Mrs
Subject: Regime change

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Date Posted: 18:24:17 03/17/16 Thu

With so many changes, I wondered if Scott B was kept on. He seemed to do a fair job of stage production. From what I've heard, not a good or supportive director, but was close with AS, so his shortcomings didn't matter. I hope he is back, he's kinda sexy...that huge smile!

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He did a great job with production. He should never have been teen director. The "face" of the teens needs to be someone the girls can relate to. Claire will be great. Wonder who is going to step in as the master carpenter? (NT) -- No name, 09:33:42 03/06/16 Sun

Ha ha ha ha. What ever will they do without the "Master Carpenter"?! (NT) -- No name, 10:47:19 03/07/16 Mon

😂😂😂😂 (NT) -- No name, 10:35:16 03/06/16 Sun
He has been with MAO for years. I believe he had the girls best interest not like some. (NT) -- No name, 13:16:45 03/06/16 Sun
Scott has a good heart. (NT) -- No name, 20:38:26 03/06/16 Sun
😁😳😂😂😂😂 (NT) -- No name, 20:46:12 03/06/16 Sun
I hope the hostesses and security crew comes back too (NT) -- No name, 20:54:31 03/06/16 Sun

I think Scott was good at Production, but that was it. He did not work well with the Teens and should have NEVER been the Teen Director. End of my rant from personal experience! . (NT) -- No name, 10:32:21 03/09/16 Wed

I think he took it cause no one else wanted to do it and the time But agree he did well in all other things. (NT) -- No name, 12:24:17 03/09/16 Wed
Sorry but that man gave me the creeps. If I had a daughter running in teen I certainly would not want my child with him. May be nice but creepy in my opinion. He also sucked up to Amalia in a big way. I'm sure she treated him like a dog though. (NT) -- No name, 08:52:03 03/10/16 Thu
Scott was dumb enough to take over the Teen program when Amalia was firing or driving away 1 to 2 OT directors a year. Scott, like Katie Frank, enabled the dynamic duo of Glenn and Amalia to survive for nine years. Scott needs to move on. (NT) -- No name, 01:44:07 03/13/16 Sun

And all Miss titleholders. So should Ashley, Whitney Hannah Megan move on as well??? (NT) -- No name, 21:50:11 03/13/16 Sun

The suggestion that Scott and past titleholders are the same is ludicrous. This comment is a good example of how some people forget the program is about the contestants, not them. Formers will always have their title. (NT) -- No name, 07:51:58 03/14/16 Mon

But formers probably knew a lot more than he did and stayed "friends" with her too. Invite her to their weddings, family Function, and helped along side Amalia as well. (NT) -- No name, 14:01:14 03/15/16 Tue

First, I think you're making a lot of assumptions regarding the closeness of any relationships that existed and also regarding what they knew. Second, how they handled things is up to them, not you. They literally owe you no explanation for their choices. Third, I repeat, formers will always have their titles. Scott will obviously not. This is comparing apples and oranges. And lastly, it might be time for you to build a bridge and get over it. We're all moving on. (NT) -- No name, 08:23:07 03/16/16 Wed
I met many of the formers. I would be so happy to have anyone of them work with my daughter. Megan, Hannah. I thnk they stayed to be part of a program that meant so much to them. They did not ever behave in the same manner as Amalia or Glen. (NT) -- No name, 12:03:51 03/16/16 Wed

Not true. One of them did. (NT) -- No name, 18:24:17 03/17/16 Thu

But what about the ones that were in Amelia's back pocket? Deserving? (NT) -- No name, 14:02:45 03/14/16 Mon

You mean "Amalia?" (NT) -- No name, 15:17:27 03/14/16 Mon
What are you even talking about? Good grief. (NT) -- No name, 15:21:12 03/14/16 Mon

Subject: Susan Farris-Howard is the new Miss Illinois United States Director. Susan has been involved with pageants for many years; she began her career competing in local pageants across Western Kentucky, she eventually won the title of Miss Kentucky USA. Since moving to Illinois in the early 1990’s he has been active working with local pageants such as the Macoupin County Fair Queen pageant where she is a former assistant director. She also has experience with productions; she is a member of the Macoupin County Fair Board of Directors and works diligently on the Fundraising Committee where they put on several different events throughout the year. Susan is looking forward to making the Illinois pageant a great success and working with young women to help them to become the best that they can be. For more information call her at 217-825-6313 or email her at director@missillinoisus.org and like us on Facebook@ Miss Illinois United States Organization.

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Date Posted: 00:26:05 03/14/16 Mon

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New Director -- No name, 09:25:14 02/26/16 Fri

Best of luck to you Susan. (NT) -- No name, 08:59:22 02/27/16 Sat

Don't walk.,.run from this one ladies (NT) -- No name, 00:26:05 03/14/16 Mon

Subject: Illinois Crown Academy

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Date Posted: 23:37:59 03/12/16 Sat

Crown Academy 2016!!
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Crown Academy is for girls 5-11 years old!
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Subject: MAO Illinois

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Date Posted: 14:41:45 03/09/16 Wed

I have been a fan of the Miss Illinois system for years and I have noticed quite a change this year. Are the numbers down this year? I think Ashley is doing a fantastic job as director but how are locals this year??

Subject: Pageant Coaching

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Date Posted: 10:01:25 03/09/16 Wed

Just wanted to put this out there... If anyone is looking for a pageant coach for an IL pageant, contact Nikki Huber. She definitely knows what she is doing and seriously helped me! She helped me with walking, stage presence, wardrobe and gave me some health and fitness tips. Would recommend to anyone who is looking for an amazing coach!

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Ok but hasnt she competed several times herself in various pageants but never won? I think I prefer a coach with a better track record. Jmo. (NT) -- No name, 19:39:09 09/15/15 Tue

Interesting logic... but let me help you out with your fallacy here. My Urban Gov't professor has never been Mayor of Chicago but she's otherwise qualified to teach the class. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:11 09/17/15 Thu

Well unfortunately pageant coaching doesn't work that way. Ladies spend big bucks for coaches and I hire coaches for my daughter based on the coaches past success whether it's the coach themselves or their clients winning track records. I don't know this coach personally, she may be nice, great and fantastic but there are a lot of coaches in IL that have quite a great resume when it comes to their own experience. (NT) -- No name, 22:08:41 09/17/15 Thu

I see several girls that I feel would be qualified to coach but did not place well at Miss IL America pageants due to the admintratiom (NT) -- No name, 01:34:37 09/18/15 Fri
Stop the whining! Just like on MAO Board people feel things are rigged. You or your daughter didn't win. Get over It! (NT) -- No name, 12:47:07 09/18/15 Fri

What? (NT) -- No name, 15:18:34 09/18/15 Fri

What was the pageant Nikki was involved in? My roommate at USA told me it was sketchy. I'm sure she's nice and a good coach but my roommate did not have a good thing to say about that pageant. And I think that's how she new Nikki (NT) -- No name, 17:52:42 09/29/15 Tue

Miss Illinois United States. Isn't she their coach? (NT) -- No name, 19:37:27 10/01/15 Thu
I don't know but I didn't say the pageant was sketchy. I said Derrick was sketchy. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:02 10/02/15 Fri

Derrrick is a wonderful director. There is nothing "sketchy" about him. (NT) -- No name, 17:38:20 10/02/15 Fri

Derrick owes everyone money and scams everyone. He also has allegedly taken the money from the people's choice that was supposed to go to lurie's children's hospital. He is the WORST director I have met in 20 years of competing. (NT) -- No name, 15:47:02 10/11/15 Sun
You obviously are not aware that Derrick has taken money from other systems as well. He was involved with another system in Illinois and embezzled thousands of dollars and was fired because of it. He is a very sketchy person. (NT) -- No name, 00:17:24 10/12/15 Mon

I am so upset! I just found out that Derrick charged double for us to be in his pageant! I also am hearing that he is spreading rumors about my mom! He is telling alot of people that she was wanting her money back from the photogetic contest. This is not even true becuse my mom didnt know she voted after it closed. I never told her! (NT) -- No name, 19:20:34 11/02/15 Mon

Derrick told people that a mom voted after the photogenic competition was closed and how dare her ask for the money back when it was going to sick kids. He also said he had no way to get the money back since it was already at the hospital. He is a sociopath. Seriously read this article. It is Derrick Lee all the way. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3780417 Does he know how to be honest with anyone? Everything he said was a lie. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:52 11/02/15 Mon

So your "roommate" had an issue with the pageant or Derrick, NOT YOU? And you "think" that's how she knew Nikki? You don't know Nikki but you took it upon yourself to speak on behalf of your roommate, not your friend about a coach you don't know, a director you don't know and a pageant you didn't compete in? But this thread is about coaching services with Nikki Huber. Yeah OK! (NT) -- No name, 23:34:51 10/03/15 Sat

Don't hire Stephanie Piller. Ugh. (NT) -- No name, 17:08:29 10/06/15 Tue

Sorry but Stephanie has done wonders with my daughter. One of the most caring coach's we have ever had. Plus my daughter won. I do believe she has a great reputation and track record. So your advice is dead wrong. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:48 10/06/15 Tue

Really? Huh! That's funny, because I know a Miss IL who would've been a hot mess under AS if Stephanie hadn't been there to coach her at Miss America! I would HIGHLY recommend Stephanie as not only an excellent image consultant, but someone who truly CARES about the girls! (NT) -- No name, 19:10:23 10/06/15 Tue

It's apparent that AS or Sue is behind that sabotage. Everyone that has coached with Stephanie raves about her but ever since she resigned and stood up to the crazies they have been planning attacks against her. Sad. Stephanie is one of the honest ones in the business. (NT) -- No name, 19:15:22 10/06/15 Tue

What's really sad is that Sue has a long rant on her fb trying to make people believe that she and Stephanie are "friends" That's a load of BS! Amalia and Sue tried to harm Stephanie and her business over the summer. Stephanie has nothing to do with Sue or Beth now because of their drama and lies. So I find it funny that Sue is ranting on fb trying to make believe that her and Stephanie are bff's after what Sue did to her! Pathetic! (NT) -- No name, 20:09:39 10/13/15 Tue

Stephanie is an excellent coach and a great person. Like so many others, she had her name and reputation smeared by the previous Miss Illinois leadership because she dared to speak up about the wrong-doing against titleholders. She was even brave enough to formally complain to MAO about what she witnessed first hand. As a result she was attacked and blackballed. Now that we have new leadership, there's no reason for people to look negatively at Stephanie. By all means, if you feel she can help you, you should have no qualms about working with her! (NT) -- No name, 09:29:11 10/07/15 Wed
So true and when AS pushed her out. The girls flopped after she left. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:16 10/07/15 Wed

Pageant coaching -- No name, 19:21:02 10/06/15 Tue
Stephanie is a washed up wanna be Queen. This was no way to win people over. You made yourself look like a scorned hag. (NT) -- No name, 14:57:57 10/07/15 Wed

Ok Amalia. You are the hag. Crawl back under your rock. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:34 10/07/15 Wed

Agree Amalia is a washed up old hag. Has been to this organization. She should move on. No one wants her here. (NT) -- No name, 14:24:06 10/16/15 Fri

From what I've heard, AS tried many times to become Mrs. IL, but failed. Of course she hates Stephanie...she was a beautiful Mrs. IL and is loved by all, unlike the aforementioned. Stephanie has also been successful in all other important ways, such as a good marriage, great children, etc. Those are more of the things that certain others have failed at, but I guess when you bomb, you have to bash those who have not! I for one thank goodness for coaches like Stephanie; her work speaks for itself! (NT) -- No name, 18:04:33 10/16/15 Fri
Nikki is an awesome coach and ripped. When it comes to fitness she knows her stuff. (NT) -- No name, 02:08:16 01/31/16 Sun
nikki -- No name, 00:58:57 02/05/16 Fri

she's a model for Lover's Lane (NT) -- No name, 19:07:27 02/09/16 Tue

Lol Nikki -- No name, 15:34:34 02/06/16 Sat
Coaching? (NT) -- No name, 22:17:11 03/05/16 Sat
I believe she was Miss Earth. She was runner up for International and another organization. She has experience and knows what judges are looking for. She is a sweetheart and a great coach. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:56 03/06/16 Sun

She was appointed Miss Earth Illinois. She's never won a pageant. Judges can see the fakeness a mile away. (NT) -- No name, 10:01:25 03/09/16 Wed

Subject: I want to compete in a Miss Illinois (America) local. Can I still do this if I am engaged? I wont be married for at lease another 3 years. Is there any rule against this?

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Date Posted: 17:26:50 03/08/16 Tue

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yes (NT) -- No name, 22:45:27 03/05/16 Sat

Under new director probably under Amelia sure but you'd never win at state she black balled that. (NT) -- No name, 00:14:30 03/06/16 Sun

Go to MissIL.org (NT) -- No name, 07:02:56 03/06/16 Sun
Doesn't seem to be a rule against it-- the current Miss America is engaged. But it is worth asking to know for sure. The website is www.missillinois.org (NT) -- No name, 19:22:20 03/06/16 Sun

MAO -- No name, 17:26:50 03/08/16 Tue

Subject: Miss Capital City pageant TODAY March 6, 2016

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Date Posted: 13:49:19 03/07/16 Mon

I just wanted to pass along this very important information. There are a couple of websites out there that state incorrect information for where and when the Miss Capital City pageant is supposed to be held.

This is the correct information.

Concordia Village
4101 West Iles
Springfield, IL
Pageant starts at 5 p.m.
Adult tickets are $10, kids are $5

Please pass this along, so that everyone knows the correct place. Thank you!!!

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Good luck to all competing today. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:07 03/06/16 Sun
Post winners! (NT) -- No name, 18:24:45 03/06/16 Sun
Winners of Capital City, Land of Lincoln, and Macomb -- No name, 13:49:19 03/07/16 Mon

Subject: Bull Crap

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Date Posted: 22:15:43 03/05/16 Sat

Ashley needs the numbers and Told Sherri to do it. I know this for Fact!

Every one Ashley is using are the same people AS used. All the money that was raised is going to new org. Bringing in all the people AS had for years only shows that Ashley had no connections whatsoever of her own.

Too bad Ashley does not have a clue how to run things.

I hope MAO gets wind of this nonsense. Not fair to anyone and stop blaming AS for every dang thing. It's very apparent she herself does not know how to recruit Contestants!

so unfair to Contestants!

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This post is so full of misinformation, it exhausts me to think of trying to correct it all. My only guess, again, is that you are someone (probably associated with AS, or AS herself) who finds themselves on the outside of the program, speculating about what is going on inside. It must be exhausting, keeping your nose pressed up against that window and still knowing so little. Let me just remind you that Ashley did not take AS's position. AS was fired. Months later, Ashley's team got the bid and has been doing a fine job. Ashley didn't take this from AS. AS lost it. It's really not a competition. Also, no one is blaming AS for last night. In fact, no one even mentioned AS. It's time for YOU to move on. (NT) -- No name, 22:37:07 02/21/16 Sun
If the money (raised for the purpose of supporting contestants in the Miss Illinois America scholarship program) is going to the new organization, where is it? But, just for the sake of argument, let's say the money does, in fact, go to MISO, Inc...what exactly is your complaint? (NT) -- No name, 22:47:45 02/21/16 Sun
Wow. Reading this makes me glad I left the program during the Amalia years and didn't come back. I wish Ashley well, but I don't miss the petty back stabbing and gossip of the MAO pageant world. (NT) -- No name, 23:32:33 02/21/16 Sun
I've read this statement before and I'm really curious...Who is Ashley using that Amalia used? (NT) -- No name, 10:03:39 02/22/16 Mon
Yes, tell us! (NT) -- No name, 16:37:53 02/22/16 Mon
Every single sponsor is from the old group, not one new one. Production Team is exactly the same, Security, Hostesses, and more. She even brought back Shuey, Hannah and Zac her husband. So nothing is new at all. Only new people are Field Directors who are so new, they know nothing. Katie Frank is still involved as well. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:07 02/22/16 Mon

"Nothing is new at all." Let's see. Board, all new. Field directors, all new. Not only new, but also trained on the rules and abiding by them Sponsors, some new, some not. Production team, not even finalized yet. The reality is that not everyone needed to be fired because of Amalia's choices. In fact, the only people who needed to leave were Amalia and her crew and they're gone. Many people have asked to return, some who were excluded or left the program because of her. Only someone whose perspective is askew would see this as a tribute to Amalia's team-building or a bad reflection on Ashley. This is really about your resentment that people are continuing to be involved, which I suspect you perceive as disloyalty. In truth, these people are loyal to the program and the contestants, as they should be. (NT) -- No name, 21:15:32 02/22/16 Mon
What is Katie Frank's role? (NT) -- No name, 21:26:41 02/22/16 Mon
Returning Production Crew -- No name, 11:29:23 03/01/16 Tue

Well said. (NT) -- No name, 21:14:06 03/01/16 Tue
Only good roll models pleez (NT) -- No name, 16:43:21 03/04/16 Fri

Like people who are literate? (NT) -- No name, 14:22:40 03/05/16 Sat

So let me guess, you stand by and watch Amalia's treachery, and you are rewarded with a return ticket; REALLY? What a joke! All past board members who served under Amalia should be OUT!!! (NT) -- No name, 18:27:02 02/23/16 Tue

Um. They are. Save your indignation for something real. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:13 02/23/16 Tue

Apparently the posters indignation is for good reason. An ex board member was said to be back who was referred to as "Amalia junior" at last years pageant. If this board member supported her, then she wasn't there "for the girls." (NT) -- No name, 09:08:21 02/24/16 Wed

Who are you talking about, exactly? (NT) -- No name, 09:27:48 02/24/16 Wed
The poster, as far as I could tell, was still talking about KF, whom you'll notice no one can actually identify as being involved. That's because she isn't. Additionally, it's already been stated the board is ALL NEW and Amalia's people are gone. So, no, that poster's indignation is not reasonable. That said, I have to think that you have changed the focus and are talking about someone else, because I can't see anyone calling KF "Amalia junior." So, please do tell us to which ex-board member you're referring, rather than passively-aggressively stirring the proverbial pot of unrest. (NT) -- No name, 13:56:36 02/24/16 Wed

Well, there were 4 names mentioned above, and it was not KT, so you figure out who served on the board. (NT) -- No name, 09:30:25 02/25/16 Thu

Well, if you're referring to Hannah (because you lack the testicular fortitude to say it outright), she was no longer a board member when Amalia was fired. But let's just set that argument aside for a second, Hannah is a former. She's not going anywhere. Additionally, she's doing choreography for the state pageant. She is more than appropriate for that role. Now, back to her role in AS's regime, Hannah was very young and should never have accepted a board position. But, more importantly, the adult who was running the program should never have asked her. Further, said adult fostered an unhealthy relationship with Hannah at a pivotal time in her life. I think some grace could be extended to Hannah for being young and impressionable. Ultimately, if you find it difficult to do that, your attempts to intimidate or exclude her make you no better than Amalia herself. If you find Hannah's involvement as the choreographer unpalatable, please feel free to exclude yourself instead. (NT) -- No name, 10:10:30 02/25/16 Thu

Everyone wave to KL Daley! Worked side by side with you that year hearing you proclaiming she was all grown up and fam should honor that. 3yrs later too young to know better? Get yer stories straight! (NT) -- No name, 06:55:47 02/26/16 Fri

Ha! Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not KL. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:07 02/26/16 Fri

KF is not out, she's assisting with CMN so get your facts straight. Whether Hannah wants to admit it or not, she needs to tell the truth herself. I'm not for one side or the other, however GS & AS helped her in various situations. Sour grapes in all aspects is sad. However, both Hannah and Megan were supported through trying times in their lives. Too bad they aren't gracious enough to admit it. (NT) -- No name, 19:05:23 02/25/16 Thu

The relationship between all these people is too complicated to discuss here and really none of our business. I'm not disputing that Hannah and Megan benefited from their association, but I do believe it came at a price to both. Not only that, the fact that they benefited doesn't make what they went through any less unacceptable. Ultimately, belaboring that aspect here is going to get us nowhere. The point I'm trying to make is that neither can be expected to be excluded from the organization because of their association with Amalia when a) they're formers and b) they were young and impressionable. While they may have benefited, they've also suffered enough. As for KF, I'm pretty sure my facts are straight. (NT) -- No name, 11:47:50 02/26/16 Fri

Obviously the poster of this "Bull Crap" needs to grow up. Hope you are not helping because there negative people need to be gone. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:19 03/01/16 Tue
Stop the negativity (NT) -- No name, 22:15:43 03/05/16 Sat

Subject: More trouble in IL MAO

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Date Posted: 17:07:30 03/03/16 Thu

I have been a fan of MAO for several years, but I can say that I witnessed something I have never seen before. In my opinion, this is the biggest piece of unfair bs I have ever heard of.

Tonight, the local for Miss Central Illinois/Springfield/Prairie State was held. They were going to award three Miss titles and just one Outstanding Teen title (as there were only four teen contestants).

So, the three Miss crowns were announced as well as the one teen winner (plus a teen 1st RU). Then, during the after party held just outside the pageant auditorium, the director decides to announce that she is actually awarding a second teen title. But, she gives this title to one of the girls who was not even the teen 1st RU. A few minutes after that, the director decides to hand out a third crown to the teen who actually finished 1st RU.

So, the director awards three crowns and leaves the only other contestant with nothing. I do not understand how this was even allowed, especially since Ashley Hatfield (the new state director for Illinois) was there in attendance. I am not even directly affected by this, but I am sure pissed about it. What do you all think?

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How about the fact that the judges saw a contestant in crown and sash as a previous Team Sherri titleholder BEFORE judging was complete? The whole swapping titles is so predictable from Sherri's team. (NT) -- No name, 00:12:32 02/21/16 Sun

She should have been disqualified. This is why you didn't see Adriens video. (NT) -- No name, 07:28:20 02/22/16 Mon

What are you even talking about? (NT) -- No name, 09:32:52 02/22/16 Mon

Farewell videos are to be played at the end of the pageant. After the judging is complete so that the judges don't see current contestants as a previous titleholder. The videos were mistakenly played before the competition area of the pageant, in front of the judges, showing Amelia in crown and sash. An unfair advantage to her and a disadvantage to other contestants. (NT) -- No name, 10:20:44 02/22/16 Mon

Wouldn't the judges already know Amelia was a previous titleholder? They would have read that on her resume. Numerous other contestants likely also placed on their resumes that they were previous titleholders or contestants, and how well they have done in other competitions. To my knowledge, there are no rules about when videos are played. This appears to me to be grasping at straws for complaints. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:26 02/22/16 Mon

While there might not be an official rule on this, it is in poor taste to give any contestant more attention in front of the judges than another. Playing a farewell video of a contestant that is also an outgoing titleholder before judging is complete would be within the realm of poor taste. As a general rule in pageantry, if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it. There will always be people that complain about things, but this appearance of impropriety could have been avoided with a little common sense. And it still doesn't explain away the issue with the teens. Seems to have just been some poor decisions being made or things done in haste. (NT) -- No name, 10:59:37 02/22/16 Mon

I fully agree with what you're saying, but I guess I'm confused about the complaint. Neither Adrien's, nor Amelia's videos were played prior to judging be completed, but a number of girls could have been in any of those videos. I think what's being taken out of the equation is the integrity of the judges. At this point, they already know each contestant's background and have interviewed the contestants as well. To worry that this one thing will influence the judging in any significant way implies that you can't trust the judges' ability to judge. I don't think the judges' integrity is in question; and the state organization has measures to prevent the local directors from influencing the outcome. Without question, there were examples of poor judgment on Saturday night, but ultimately they were not made by the judges themselves. (NT) -- No name, 11:20:48 02/22/16 Mon

I actually don't have a complaint about the outcome. I was not there. I was just making a comment about the appearance of impropriety that a seasoned local director should have realized. I didn't see the pageant and have no opinions on the outcome either way. Having seen Amelia at state, I have no doubt that she did well this weekend. Unfortunately poor decisions by "management" sometimes turn what was a perfectly clean judgement and deserving win, into something that people will question. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:22 02/22/16 Mon

Just for clarification, my first comment on this started with the "While there might not be an official rule on this" statement. I did not make the previous comments complaining about the outcome. I can see how these boards can be confusing. (NT) -- No name, 11:34:14 02/22/16 Mon

They are. And I'm still confused by the others' complaints, but I do agree with your articulate, reasonable posts. They're refreshing. :) (NT) -- No name, 11:44:05 02/22/16 Mon

Let me also add that Amelia didn't have a video and they never got Adrien's to work. None of which changes your point, which again I totally agree with: In general, "if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it." But I didn't think there was any question that Amelia was the winner of Miss Springfield. I thought the major issue was the occurrence with the teen program, which has nothing to do with judging, but everything to do with the above adage. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:12 02/22/16 Mon

There was no reason Amelia should have been disqualified. She competed for a closed title. And Adrien's video didn't play due to technical difficulties. Not everything is a conspiracy. (NT) -- No name, 10:42:48 02/22/16 Mon

not just the swapping titles..giving three teens crowns with only four contestants was wrong and mean and super tacky (NT) -- No name, 00:14:36 02/21/16 Sun
And it was planned because the sashes were all ready. This group obviously picks and chooses their winners. (NT) -- No name, 00:23:28 02/21/16 Sun

I'm not going to excuse the group's inexcusable behavior, but it's possible the three sashes were already ordered because you can award one Teen title for every Miss title (of which there were three.) (NT) -- No name, 18:16:25 02/21/16 Sun

Miss Spring field local -- No name, 06:08:19 02/21/16 Sun
Really??? -- No name, 06:25:47 02/21/16 Sun

No one wonders why the numbers are low. The numbers are expected to be low as the program recovers from the abuse of the previous group. Also, no one, least of all the new team, wants a talentless, brainless titleholder, so I'm not sure where that comes from; nor am I clear how the occurrences of last night can be blamed for tarnishing an already obliterated reputation. Undoubtedly, what happened last night was inexcusable and I guarantee Ashley and her group were neither aware, nor approving of it. That said, I'm certain the board felt in the beginning that it was only fair to give some local directors the opportunity to make a fresh start, abide by the rules and show good judgment. (NT) -- No name, 18:03:28 02/21/16 Sun

Illinois local directors -- No name, 06:59:38 02/21/16 Sun

I could not agree more. People need to ask themselves if they're in this for the contestants or for themselves. The problems usually arise from the people who have gotten that confused. (NT) -- No name, 18:13:01 02/21/16 Sun

I do believe that Chris & Sherri do what they do for the girls. They devote their own time, money, their home, etc for their contestants. And most become like family to them. I do believe their heart is in the right place. (NT) -- No name, 21:34:48 02/21/16 Sun

Well, I'm not sure that becoming so close to contestants as to consider them "part of the family" isn't overstepping somewhat. Not maintaining an appropriate professional distance has been known to muddy the waters and give the impression of impropriety, whether or not there has been any. Nevertheless, I don't claim to know the Winters' heart, but if they are well-meaning, it's unfortunate they missed the mark so drastically on the matter of the teens. (NT) -- No name, 11:39:40 02/22/16 Mon

Unless the State ED knows in advance and the numbers are there, 4 contestants for each Title, you cannot arbitrarily just Give a Title! How did Amelia M receive a Title if she was already Sherrie's Titleholder. Ashley has Field Directors that have no clue. Based on what happened at their pageant! (NT) -- No name, 22:24:58 02/21/16 Sun

If Amelia relinquished Her previous title she can compete for one of the other two titles. (NT) -- No name, 07:25:30 02/22/16 Mon
I think it may be you who has no clue. The reason Amelia is eligible is because Miss Springfield is closed. She only competed for Miss Springfield, and this is because she was ineligible for Miss Central Illinois, as the previous titleholder. She had to relinquish that title in order to compete, which she did. At the local director's meeting, the rules were addressed regarding a titleholder being allowed to compete in the same pageant, but for a different title. It was read straight from the licensing agreement. The Field Directors and the Local Directors know the rules MAO has set forth. The bottom line is this: no rules were broken in the crowning of Miss Springfield. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:51 02/22/16 Mon

Let's stick with the subject at hand. This was Wrong! (NT) -- No name, 23:46:44 02/21/16 Sun
What was the real order of titleholders? Who "should have" won and who were the runners up? Trying to make sense of all that went down. (NT) -- No name, 06:43:40 02/22/16 Mon
If the final teen's parents wanted to purchase her crown and sash she too could compete at "state". She could be appointed just as the others were and and I would be very surprised if the Winters did not offer her that opportunity. (NT) -- No name, 14:53:46 02/22/16 Mon

The Winters' did not offer her that opportunity, although I doubt she would ever want to work with them ever again anyway. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:54 02/22/16 Mon

I need to add that I was told by people who were there that parents of other contestants went directly up to the Winters' to complain that the excluded teen deserved one of the crowns. Apparently, the Winters' stated there was nothing they could do about that. Bull! (NT) -- No name, 15:10:12 02/22/16 Mon

Do not speak of something you know nothing about -- No name, 17:07:30 03/03/16 Thu

I don't know this family, but maybe they couldn't afford to "purchase" their daughter a title, not to mention that purchasing a title shouldn't really be what this program is about in the first place. Whether the Winters offered them the opportunity or they did not, it was in poor taste to crown the others publicly at that time, not only for the 4th competitor's sake, but also for the sake of the actual winner. It just showed bad judgment. Period. It's probably best to just learn from it and move on. (NT) -- No name, 15:11:01 02/22/16 Mon

Ashley being in the Audience as she was should have handled it. It was just wrong. The Winters knew better. I don't care what anyone says, Amelia should not have been allowed to compete in the same pageant. Hence, taking a Title away from someone else! Wrong, just wrong! (NT) -- No name, 20:17:06 02/22/16 Mon

Learn the rules. It's not about opinion, it's about the actual rules set by MAO. What, exactly, did you want Ashley to do about an eligible girl competing in a pageant in which she was eligible to compete and then legitimately winning said pageant? (NT) -- No name, 21:25:58 02/22/16 Mon

Subject: National Sweetheart Pageant

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Can't believe MAO is forbidding girls or judged be part of Sweetheart or be banned from MAO!! With no reason given. Really????

Subject: Let's just blame Ashley for all the past and present problems and then get over it and move on. For goodness sake people, if you put this effort in helping to make the system better Illinois would be unstoppable. If anyone was really in this for the girls, as I truly believe Ashley is, you would be pulling together instead of still pulling each person apart. What a great example adults are sending to the young ladies.

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It is EMBARRASSING! This is what Illinois known for. Sad. (NT) -- No name, 08:28:59 02/27/16 Sat

Subject: Meet Ieena Duggal and Steven Roddy at Bridal Elegance 2/27/16

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Februrary 27th, Bridal Elegance in Ottawa, IL will be hosting an Ieena Duggal Trunk Show. Meet Ieena Duggal and shop her 2016 Ieena for Mac Duggal Collection. Also in attendance will be Steven Roddy of The Pageant Planet! The event starts at 11am, it is free and open to the public. Visit the Facebook event page for more information---> Ieena Duggal Trunk Show: Facebook Event Page

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Personally, I'm not a MacDuggal fan. Have just never really liked their stuff. (NT) -- No name, 21:59:24 02/10/16 Wed

Guess that means you're not coming. Thanks for sharing. (NT) -- No name, 21:33:53 02/11/16 Thu

That is correct, I won't be coming. But in a country with free speech, and expecially on an anonymous message board, I expressed my opinion. G'day mate! (NT) -- No name, 23:22:28 02/11/16 Thu

More like pissing on the positivity. But its a message board. You're right. No manners required. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:09 02/12/16 Fri

That person was neither pissing on the positivity nor being rude to comment that Mac Duggal isn't their favorite. This is an open forum for people who are involved in pageants to come and discuss their opinions. It's not personal. (NT) -- No name, 15:13:57 02/12/16 Fri

I am in no way meaning to start a fight but I was surprised to she this designer in Dillard's. I think it kind of takes away from the idea of going to a dress shop when you can get the designer at a department store. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:00 02/13/16 Sat

Was it their cocktail dresses or gowns? They do have beautiful short dresses now. I would save the gowns for the showroom and boutiques. (NT) -- No name, 02:16:11 02/13/16 Sat

They were prom. Easily worn at a local or even state. I am not sure how a private owned boutique could compete with a department store to carry a designer. But even more so I would have been mad if I had bought a dress from a boutique to get the designer and then find out it is available at a department store. Like I said not trying to start an argument and I like these dresses but this just does not make sense to me. (NT) -- No name, 21:43:00 02/14/16 Sun
Since pageant is down South, everyone is going to Michelle H. Jan would be stupid to sponsor as would MacDuggal. (NT) -- No name, 17:13:21 02/16/16 Tue

So, what you're saying is that Jan & MacDuggal should not give any sponsorship if SOME people shop at Michelle H's store? (NT) -- No name, 20:53:45 02/16/16 Tue

Is Steven Roddy no longer associated with Mon Cheri? (NT) -- No name, 22:51:53 02/16/16 Tue

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Subject: Miss Southern Illinois/Miss Heartland

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What a sad turnout for this pageant. Nothing like it used to be. There was no rhyme or reason to the way things were done. It was like hurry up and get the teen done and move along to the Miss. In all my years of being around pageants, I have NEVER seen anything like this before. They made a hue mistake taking away pre-teen and even the little one.

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One of the reasons cited for Amalia's group losing their MAO license was the running of unsanctioned pre-teen pageants. They are not allowed, so that's why Southern Illinois didn't have one. And I think they'd be better off abolishing the teen and sticking with the Miss, but I also suspect that Genie has left the bottle and won't be going away anytime soon. (NT) -- No name, 09:35:14 02/08/16 Mon
Scheduling a pageant for Super Bowl Sunday was probably not wise, either. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:16 02/08/16 Mon
Not everyone that got kicked to the curb was a bad volunteer and worker. A lot of valuable people went down because of Amalia., and no, they weren't board members. It was sad to say the least. Most will never be back . Lots of good, hard working people were lost. (NT) -- No name, 15:27:31 02/08/16 Mon

Yea, but that's also the price of hanging around and turning a blind eye when you know there's a bad leader at the helm. So while many good people may have been kicked to the curb, it's also their own fault for thinking they were hanging around for "the good of the girls". (NT) -- No name, 15:58:36 02/08/16 Mon
Agree completely. However, that would include EVERYONE in the organization other than the people who were instrumental in getting Amalia out! Matter of fact, that might include a lot of people who are running things now. So, virtually EVERYBODY turned a blind eye. The fault lies on the shoulders of the specific people who did the wrong things. (NT) -- No name, 18:43:09 02/08/16 Mon

I soo agree that Ashley, Megan, Whitney, even Claire and Jane ann are all in the same boat knowing and working with Amalia over the years.. Not just the board. (NT) -- No name, 13:06:01 02/09/16 Tue

I'm not engaging in this argument, which has been covered ad nauseum, but what does this have to do with the execution of this particular pageant? Your statement is not only false, but irrelevant. (NT) -- No name, 13:57:05 02/09/16 Tue

You just engaged. (NT) -- No name, 14:24:48 02/09/16 Tue

Not exactly. I'm not engaging in an argument about why their statement is false, particularly after it has been so publicly dispelled on this board, nor am I attempting to change anyone's mind. I'm simply (rhetorically) asking how it's relevant to the discussion about the Miss Southern Illinois/Miss Heartland pageant. And the answer is that it isn't. (NT) -- No name, 14:48:56 02/09/16 Tue

If your point is that the quality has gone down as the result of the exclusion of some volunteers, then my question for you is this: who is to blame for the quality of this pageant when they were still involved? This pageant has been going downhill for years. That said, the attendance can easily be explained by the unfortunate scheduling. But ultimately, two titles were awarded on Sunday, so let's stop grasping for opportunities to expel our sour grapes. (NT) -- No name, 14:32:38 02/09/16 Tue
Some volunteers were removed because of rules MAO has in place-rules that are being heeded by the new team. You can either have a group that follows the rules or one that does not...and I think we all know how that turns out. (NT) -- No name, 15:01:28 02/09/16 Tue

If you cannot promote and put on a quality pageant with your retiring titleholder being Miss Illinois and your new director being a former Miss Illinois living in the immediate area something is not right. MAO waited too long. (NT) -- No name, 15:37:48 02/08/16 Mon
Dear God why not take some responsibility for yourselves. You're going to blame your child's bad grades on her pretty soon. (NT) -- No name, 09:05:15 02/09/16 Tue

While I'm sure Amalia would love the conversation to still be about her, I don't think there's anyone in this thread blaming Amalia for how well this pageant was carried out. Untwist your knickers. (NT) -- No name, 11:06:32 02/09/16 Tue

Subject: Illinois International Junior Miss is quickly approaching! Anyone know who's competing?

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they never broadcast who is competing until the day of the pageant. Is it in March again this year? (NT) -- No name, 15:19:15 01/18/16 Mon
I believe it is February 5-7th (NT) -- No name, 00:07:32 01/19/16 Tue
Heard tons of new girls (NT) -- No name, 02:55:53 01/28/16 Thu
Oh I thought this thread was about Illinois International. IIJM sounds like a great program. (NT) -- No name, 16:44:51 02/01/16 Mon
Good luck this weekend to all the amazing ladies that are competing. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:08 02/06/16 Sat

Subject: IL IJM

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Does anyone have any experience with the International Junior Miss system? Thinking of competing...thoughts?

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The state program is decent. However, be prepared that if your daughter wins she has to attend nationals and it's very very expensive. Nothing is provided for you. Ad pages are mandatory. It's a week long event in VA so add in airfare,hotel and food for a week. That doesn't even cover wardrobe, hair and makeup and optional competitions. It's very competitive and they like them pretty! Plan on spending $5-7k for nationals. (NT) -- No name, 22:57:39 10/13/15 Tue
Agreed. Great system. Nationals is expensive. (NT) -- No name, 01:55:26 10/14/15 Wed
It's no more expensive than a week in dumpy Atlantic City. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:07 10/14/15 Wed

The difference is your daughter would be competing at Miss America where in most states a lot is provided for them. Wardrobe flight hotel. IJM is not as prestigious and you are not given anything to assist you with expenses. (NT) -- No name, 16:16:47 10/14/15 Wed

IJM might not be as prestigious as Miss America or Miss USA, but it is top of the line for pageants that can help prepare your daughter to get to the big stage. The International winners just returned from their European vacation. Great prize package, great exposure. It might be an expensive journey, but it is an awesome experience. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:23 10/15/15 Thu

Is IJM a glitz pageant? And other questions -- No name, 00:26:33 11/05/15 Thu

IJM is great but it's not for first timers unless you hire a good coach. It's very competitive. The state is not as glitzy as nationals. Their national pageant is very glam and like mentioned above you better have deep pockets $. With that said, if your daughter is drop dead gorgeous and has a natural modeling ability and you can afford it then give it a whirl. It's a nice program. (NT) -- No name, 07:20:55 11/05/15 Thu

State pageant is sketchy -- No name, 13:09:01 11/18/15 Wed

This is entirely untrue. Being a contestant that was not local, not even knowing who the judges were, and meeting the director once prior, I WON a title. Not from knowing people, but from working hard and COMPETING for it. I then made Top 10 at internationals. Just because your child didn't win, doesn't mean you get to discredit the work that the titleholders did by saying that the pageant was fixed. (NT) -- No name, 10:29:40 11/23/15 Mon

Il ijm -- No name, 23:06:32 11/23/15 Mon
Predictions anyone?? (NT) -- No name, 03:00:59 01/28/16 Thu
Agreed. the state pageant is well run but the national pageant is glitz which puts the winner at a disadvantage unless she's a chameleon and can change her wardrobe, makeup, and walk in time for nationals. (NT) -- No name, 12:16:35 01/29/16 Fri
Illinois IJM -- No name, 13:10:09 01/29/16 Fri
Do your homework and you will do amazing. It is a semi-glitz type pageant. Wardrobe matters. Look at national and state past winners and you will do fine. Have fun!! (NT) -- No name, 02:10:42 01/31/16 Sun

Subject: Lawsuit

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Heard the lawsuit was settled. Surely, someone knows what happened.

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Court records are public record. Just need to know what county it was filed in and you can look it up. (NT) -- No name, 12:14:17 01/26/16 Tue

What county was it filed in? (NT) -- No name, 14:24:36 01/26/16 Tue

What ever county AS lives in. That is where you would want to look. (NT) -- No name, 02:54:19 01/28/16 Thu

She lives in McHenry County (NT) -- No name, 08:37:16 01/28/16 Thu

Nothing turns up but a traffic violation each. (NT) -- No name, 12:10:23 01/29/16 Fri
Oh for the love of Jesus, let it rest already . (NT) -- No name, 12:53:31 01/29/16 Fri
Supposedly it was a cook county court case (NT) -- No name, 02:04:03 01/31/16 Sun

Subject: Hello Ladies. We are excited to begin accepting Returning Contestants for the upcoming 2017 Miss Illinois USA and Miss Illinois Teen USA Pageants!! The Pageant will be held: September 2-5, 2016 Braden Auditorium - Normal, IL Host Hotel: Bloomington/Normal Marriott Hotel & Conference Center CLICK IN FOR MORE INFO

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Subject: Heard there was a GS & AS citing in Marion, IL at the Mayor's office

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WHEN????!!!! WHY????!!!!😱 (NT) -- No name, 21:58:56 01/27/16 Wed
Saw this myself. They are truly trying to get the money in Marion released to Ashley. Have been for months. Marion Atty is not allowing the release. (NT) -- No name, 06:33:42 01/28/16 Thu

Meant to say, saw the letter myself. I have to say, I'm a bit surprised. (NT) -- No name, 06:35:54 01/28/16 Thu
Calling BS on this one. So after MAO instructed the City of Marion to hold that money for a new group, now you tell us that the previous group is fighting MAO to have the money released to Ashley? Neither story connects. (NT) -- No name, 08:35:28 01/28/16 Thu
Hilarious. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:22 01/28/16 Thu

That's exactly right. In the know & you can call either Attorney to find this information out. Not that they would give it to you, but heard it myself right here in Marion. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:42 01/28/16 Thu

Well if it's all the rage in town gossip in Marion, then it must be true! Thank you Gladys Kravitz! (NT) -- No name, 08:47:48 01/29/16 Fri

Confirmed it myself, they are booked in Marion hotel. (NT) -- No name, 12:47:16 01/28/16 Thu
If they're in Marion, it's probably because a settlement has been reached and they didn't want to wait on the mail to get their check. No one is buying that they're there out of the kindness of their hearts, advocating for Ashley's group to receive the program's money. lol (NT) -- No name, 15:33:18 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: Has anyone heard that USA will be in Bloomington this year? Fact or fiction?

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Subject: What a mess

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oh dear (NT) -- No name, 13:55:20 11/08/15 Sun
What I would say is that the owners made a tough decision knowing that firing Mr. Wilmer would cause their system to come under fire. The easier thing for them to do would have been to brush it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. Instead they did the honest thing. It's called integrity. Wish more systems had it (NT) -- No name, 23:30:15 11/08/15 Sun
Very interesting read. After seeing many things happen in the pageant world I am glad to see someone do the right thing. My only question is, Why allow someone involved with contestants be allowed to judge in the first place? Models of sponsors or students should not be allowed to compete if the sponsor is involved in that year. It just does not look good for the organization. I would think that if a person was asked and the organization was unaware of the involvement they would decline. It never stays quiet in pageant world. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:49 11/16/15 Mon
What does the smaller photo of the email say. Can't read it. (NT) -- No name, 00:37:13 11/20/15 Fri
"bared" witness LOL (NT) -- No name, 10:10:55 11/29/15 Sun
Have I missed something? What the heck is that? Anyone explain. (NT) -- No name, 03:06:35 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: I completed my first pageant because I needed to bring awareness to my cause, anti-bullying. And here, pageant people are bullying. All I can say is that as a community you can disagree with people and even not like people but dont bash, this is completely unnecessary. The thread is about a trusted man, a director, a coach who made mistakes. He didn't learn from them in the Belleza system, no one spoke up to protect people he took advantage of so he was free to do it again, this time taking advantage of girls, their causes, their parents who don't have extra money to just give away, and from children. The money he stole was to benefit the children's hospital to help parents be able to stay with their sick children. This is a time to come together and stand up for what is right. Shane on you if you don't. Take pride in your title, in your system, in yourself. Or with 4 systems under investigation in Illinois right now, there won't be any left.

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What a you taking about? You completely lost me. (NT) -- No name, 03:04:49 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: Looks like the Schwerdtmann's are still trying to get the ticket money from the City of Marion.

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Funny, but if they supposedly had planned to quit as certain people kept insisting last summer, why would they still be trying to sue MAO to get the Marion ticket money six months later? Shouldn't they have just walked away and let that money get turned over the Ashley's new group?

http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510654077-miss-illinois-beauty-pageant-organizers-legal-tussle-with-miss-america-group-headed-to-arbitration

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They must have counted the ticket money in their budget and need to collect it for themselves? i cannot understand why there is any suit left since a new group has been awarded the license and according to the licens Amalia had , whe would have had to turn the funds over to the new group anyway. OR...if MAO cancelled the license the money actually belongs to MAO to pay the bills of its licensee? Can anyoen figure this out? Maybe we need another gallon of water dropped on the witch? (NT) -- No name, 21:45:18 12/23/15 Wed
Sorry, this has already been settled so this article is incorrect. Keep searching (NT) -- No name, 10:48:52 12/25/15 Fri

No it has not..... (NT) -- No name, 22:54:26 12/25/15 Fri
If this settled, then what was the outcome? (NT) -- No name, 11:01:31 12/30/15 Wed

I miss Amalia and all the excitement. Why won't people leave her alone and give her the money her sacrifices for Miss Illinois merit? (NT) -- No name, 00:04:20 01/02/16 Sat

It was not EXCITING for some people. Lots of people sacrificed for the organization for many years. (NT) -- No name, 02:11:24 01/04/16 Mon

I think the post was maybe meant to be sarcastic. (NT) -- No name, 09:12:55 01/04/16 Mon

😪 -- No name, 15:20:42 01/05/16 Tue

Well , Amalia and her group couldn't have a suit unless they had a cased a case with MAO. Lawyers or a judge would not take a case if there wasn't any wrong doing from (NT) -- No name, 08:09:29 01/12/16 Tue

That's not at all true. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:39 01/14/16 Thu

No one really knows the truth unless your her. Everyone is basing on hearsay of others (NT) -- No name, 22:53:38 01/14/16 Thu

My point was that you can't determine the validity of Amalia's claims based on an attorney's willingness to take the case. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:59 01/15/16 Fri

Agree but people cannot judge unless they know all facts from both parties. (NT) -- No name, 21:06:00 01/15/16 Fri

With that logic, one might assume that if she had a really good case, the judge would have already ruled unanimously in her favor. But no. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:31 01/16/16 Sat

The point is .. Marion kept the money, it wasn't theirs to keep. The principle is what is being questioned. Marion is holding all the money...no one else. (NT) -- No name, 21:33:09 01/15/16 Fri

By orders of MAO (NT) -- No name, 22:14:30 01/15/16 Fri
Read the contract. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:35 01/16/16 Sat

Yes and that is illegal. Everything Ashley has now is because of all the hard work of many others. Let's see what she does on her own. Just waiting ... No appearances up North at ALL this will be a mini Local pageant. The money will be hers yes, but wasn't raised by her or Marion. Fran should have taken this back over. Just saying... (NT) -- No name, 08:58:38 01/16/16 Sat

Bless your bitter heart. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:57 01/16/16 Sat
A big part of the problem in this organization is that, like you, some people forget the money belongs to the program for the benefit of the girls who participate in it. IF Ashley's group receives a dollar, it will not be "hers," but rather it will go to support a scholarship program for young women; you might have heard of it. However, it is absolutely true that everything the program has now-the innumerable burned bridges and the fences that have had to be mended, among other things-is a result of the "hard work" of certain other people who apparently forgot that the program was about the contestants, or that the contestants even mattered at all. (NT) -- No name, 08:32:43 01/17/16 Sun

mao holding ticket money benefits no one but the lawyers -- No name, 10:00:57 01/16/16 Sat

Amalia continuing to fight doesn't benefit anyone but the lawyers, either. Let's not forget that Amalia is not a victim. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:31 01/16/16 Sat

You seriously have NO idea what you're talking about. Marion is NOT releasing the money. Know your facts. This was settled. (NT) -- No name, 22:45:10 01/16/16 Sat

Glad everyone knows what exactly going on. Must be the lawyers. (NT) -- No name, 08:21:55 01/17/16 Sun

MAO prep planned this whole thing. Problem was the contract was between Marion and ISA. With Mao trying to terminate the contract after the state pageant still left contract in good standing. In Mao agreement with states says to pay all expenses then release to Mao. (NT) -- No name, 08:27:53 01/17/16 Sun

MAO planned nothing. They had no intention of doing anything in Illinois until WGN showed up at the state pageant and put them on the spot. Within a week of WGN's confrontation, MAO pulled the plug on Amalia and her entire Board. So MAO's reaction was knee jerk to help reduce the damage of the news story that was about to hit the airwaves. That said, the money held by the City of Marion was supposed to be for the program, and Amalia no longer held the rights to the program. It has always been the rule that any left over funds get turned over to the new group. I also think that if MAO had a brain, they'd call for an audit of the funds spent over 9 years by AS and GS. I'll bet that would stop the old group in their tracks. Wonder what type of reimbursements were paid out to Board members over nine years? I'd like to be a fly on the wall when that becomes known. (NT) -- No name, 12:31:42 01/18/16 Mon

I hope it DOES become known. What a crooked bunch of greedy opportunists! Maybe they should sell their vacation home to pay off their debts. After all, they're supposed to use MAO funds (currently invested in SC realty) to pay their debts before turning over any money. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:29 01/25/16 Mon

Which works if you're not a crook who has already fleeced the organization and would drain the account if given half the chance before ever giving over a dollar. Amalia wasn't let go because of her scrupulous business practices, so she couldn't be counted on to release the funds. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:01 01/25/16 Mon

Sure those funds paid for the S.Carolina condo. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:03 01/25/16 Mon

Subject: Can we just drop it?

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You got what you wanted. New regime, wonderful. But is it? Ashley has used everyone that was previously in place. All who volunteered for the old group. At least AS started a whole new team, all new sponsors.

Ashley is Not doing anything earth shattering. Numbers are way down, so give it a chance.

Marion should never have kept the money, whether MAO told them to or not.

Right now, all is wonderful bc their Queen is in Southern IL. Let's see how it works for Ashley when someone wins up North.

Not an AS proponent by any means but just by what I see. Nothing has changed much. The people volunteering are the same that volunteered for old group. So, the jury is still out.

Ashley obviously thought enough that the people who did work with them were a wise choice.

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You say you want to drop it, but I'm assuming you meant you want to spew your opinion without anyone responding. That's not how things work when you're a grown-up. As far as I can tell, Ashley's group appears to have inherited a program that has been abused and run into the ground by an organization that was more corrupt than anyone could have even imagined. While she doesn't need me to defend her, Ashley has handled this with dedication and professionalism, taking on the task of rebuilding a program practically from the ground up, dealing with the mess left in Amalia's wake, all while attempting to diplomatically sort the people with their own personal agendas from the people who volunteered because they genuinely cared about the program. The tone of your post sounds as though you might be one of the culled, because it's clear you're not well-informed. (NT) -- No name, 11:03:53 01/17/16 Sun
Unless you are one of Amalia's mindless lakeys, you must obviuosly know that Ashley had to start from scratch. I don't envy anyone who has to make their way through the debris and start this thing over. I'll bet you never applied for the state license yourself, despite coming on here and ripping into how Ashley is running the program now. (NT) -- No name, 20:17:30 01/17/16 Sun

Absolutely! (NT) -- No name, 22:24:12 01/17/16 Sun

Debris? Hardly.. Ashley has utilized every single sponsor and volunteer with the exception of a few. How strange though that the people she enlisted while sneaking around to help her get the license, she shit on and didn't ask any of THEM to volunteer. She is no different than the rest. Watch your backs,! (NT) -- No name, 20:27:47 01/17/16 Sun

Again, from your lack of actual knowledge, my guess is that you're someone who finds themselves on the outside of the program and you're angry about it. But if you're confused about why that is, consider that the type of person who takes to the voy board to spout misinformation, accusations, gossip and spiteful attacks is exactly the type of person who needs to be excluded from this program. I think we've all had enough of that. Like it or not, the tone in the program is changing, even if yours isn't. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:54 01/17/16 Sun
I was one of the people who was not excited about Ashley taking it over. But the decision has been made and she's the new E.D. Whoever took over the program was going to have a big task of moving everyone past the nine years of drama, lies, abuse and manipulation. No matter who took over the program, it was going to be a major task. That task also involved getting rid of some volunteers who were in the program for the wrong reasons or who were going to be spies for Amalia and Glenn. So despite my original reaction to MAO's decision, Ashley is the new E.D., and forward we move, with our without you. (NT) -- No name, 12:26:57 01/18/16 Mon
If you feel that way, then you obviously have no interest in volunteering your time to such an organization. So move on and find somewhere else to expend your energy. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:45 01/18/16 Mon

I honestly cannot figure out if you don't like Ashley, people from Southern Illinois, the City of Marion or people in general. I agree that your energy would be better served elsewhere. (NT) -- No name, 01:39:52 01/20/16 Wed
Wonder if KL is back? (NT) -- No name, 13:48:25 01/25/16 Mon

Subject: Anyone know who is planning to return to Miss Illinois MAO and Outstanding Teen again this year?

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So excited to see who all is planning to return from last year's competition!

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I hope to see a lot of the girls back that have had bad experiences under the former leadership. (NT) -- No name, 01:51:32 01/20/16 Wed

Subject: So I wired Derrick Lee money to be in his pageant and he isn't even the director in my state!! HE LIED. BLOCKED ME FROM FACEBOOK. WONT ANSWWR MY EMAILS. Does anyone know how to contact him? He lives in either Illinois or Iowa because he is the director there.

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Are you saying that he owes you money? I would contact the national pageant directly. They know how to reach him (NT) -- No name, 13:50:50 12/28/15 Mon
Hannah's boutique is having a fashion show. He is going to be served his subpoena papers there. Have your lawyer prepare a case quickly! (NT) -- No name, 00:26:51 12/29/15 Tue

And that didn't happen. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:11 01/10/16 Sun

He was removed months ago -- No name, 15:17:08 12/29/15 Tue
Get in line. Derrick lee owes MANY people money and was just thrown out on his ass again. Couldn't tell you where he's living now. Just come to terms you will probably never see your money. Just run from anyone or anything that has to do with him. Learn from the experience. (NT) -- No name, 15:58:31 12/30/15 Wed

He owes me money too from the US system- We'll see (NT) -- No name, 20:22:15 01/02/16 Sat

That is smart if he is going to be served at a fashion show post it here so he will have a heads up and not show up (NT) -- No name, 19:33:50 12/30/15 Wed
GET A LIFE -- you were blocked because you were being messy -- No name, 14:06:08 01/06/16 Wed
You know EXACTLY how to reach Derrick. I am so disgusted at how he is being attacked. This is cyberbullying and slander at its finest. There's a ringleader behind it all. While you're so busy with your character assassination, let me ask you this: What if everything you've worked for was taken away overnight? What if your mother who is battling stage 4 colon cancer, losing her battle needed you but yet your time is being consumed by this bullshit? What if you were losing money and business and you're in fear of the worse for her? Well that's what Derrick is experiencing right now! How pathetic this is to see this right now. Contact the Nebraska Attorney General. She has the contact information. You provided it. Remember? If we're the community we claim to be, pick up the phone and see if he needs anything. If you can't do that, at least allow him to enjoy what could be his last year with his mother. Just unbelievable. (NT) -- No name, 20:03:22 01/06/16 Wed
Derrick Lee -- No name, 23:15:17 01/16/16 Sat

You have no clue what you are talking about. Derrick Lee took money through Walmart to Walmart and has Admitted to the Nebraska attorney general he took money and didn't refund it. In any court of law that is theft. He was not and is not the Nebraska director and he is a fraud! (NT) -- No name, 23:31:02 01/19/16 Tue

Subject: Miss IL County Fair Queen... Is anyone following this pageant? Updates? Predictions? Fill us in!

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I'm curious about this too.. Anyone care to respond? (NT) -- No name, 15:15:39 01/17/16 Sun
Abby Foster.. 2016 miss Illinois county fair queen! (NT) -- No name, 22:39:33 01/17/16 Sun

Subject: I was set to compete in the Miss Illinois United States Pageant but left to compete in a different system. I need to surround myself with positive people who have an upright moral standing. Illinois United States lacked a backbone and a moral compass. When a director bad mouths his other contestants to you, RUN. Lack of humanity. One who bad mouths to you will bad mouth you. Not one person was left out. No title is worth it. Don't settle.

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Subject: It is so wonderful to have Ashley as the new ED!!!!!!! Illinois will be back in the running. Remember Karen DeWert is back in the light!! Make sure you call early for an appointment

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You have got to be kidding. She's as old as dirt! (NT) -- No name, 20:06:59 10/12/15 Mon

Old as dirt, and mean as a rattlesnake! You'd be better off with Robin Ventura as your coach (NT) -- No name, 16:42:00 10/13/15 Tue

Then you don't know Karen very well. Caressa Cameron and Laura Kaeppeler would give you glowing references. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:14 10/14/15 Wed
Dust her off and shine up that gold. Looking for my gold all the time. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:05 12/10/15 Thu

Are you serious! We weren't allowed to work with Karen DeWert when AS was in charge. Local directors we are very lucky! (NT) -- No name, 21:13:26 10/12/15 Mon
I take my had off to Ashley for accepting Karen coming back. Shame on Amalia for excluding Karen. Thank you Ashley!! (NT) -- No name, 19:11:16 10/13/15 Tue
Karen is amazing. Great photography as well. Hard working and very knowledgeable. All of our Miss Americas worked with ger. Smart move Ashley. (NT) -- No name, 20:09:04 10/13/15 Tue
Karen is a remarkable individual she will bring out the best in a contestant. (NT) -- No name, 21:11:51 10/13/15 Tue
Just want everyone to know that Karen DeWert is ready for contestants that will be competing in 2015-16!! (NT) -- No name, 16:43:40 10/18/15 Sun
Okay Karen, we get it. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:37 10/18/15 Sun
Want to compete this year! -- No name, 19:47:20 10/18/15 Sun

Good question, is there a new website? (NT) -- No name, 20:05:45 10/18/15 Sun

The Teen information is incorrect. Wrong logo.,. Is this the new info now? (NT) -- No name, 16:09:30 10/27/15 Tue
I LOVE Karen and so did my titleholders! MISPI would seriously benefit from bringing back the Dream Team. (NT) -- No name, 20:52:40 11/30/15 Mon

MAO doesn't want the dream team involved, which is part of the reason they awarded the new franchise to a group with all Southern Illinois ties. MAOs loss, but then again, it took them 9 years to deal with Amalia, so what do you expect out of an incompetent MAO organization? (NT) -- No name, 22:34:39 12/04/15 Fri

Ashley had a superior bid and is doing an excellent job as expected. It would be great if we could keep it positive. (NT) -- No name, 16:19:52 12/06/15 Sun

There's nothing wrong with being honest. Good for Ashley that she's doing a great job. But I also think that MAO intentionally wanted it away from northern Illinois so as to bypass any involvement by the Dream Team and to avoid the Chicago media after the WGN expose'. And if candor is "negative" then so be it. (NT) -- No name, 18:26:50 12/07/15 Mon

While there's obviously nothing wrong with honesty or candor, implying Ashley's bid was only selected because an "incompetent" MAO wanted to avoid certain people was not only a backhanded, negative comment on (and an underestimation of) Ashley's bid, but also a gross overestimation of the "Dream Team's" importance. That said, I can't blame MAO for wanting to distance itself from the negative past of the IL program and for making the somewhat radical choice to give the bid to a former and move the program south. It needed a new direction if it was ever going to be saved. That doesn't seem incompetent at all to me. (NT) -- No name, 19:23:20 12/08/15 Tue

So after MAO ignored compliants for nine years and guys like Marc Angeli backstabbed titleholders and volunteers who stepped forth with the truth, you think it's a backhanded comment that somone spoke the truth about MAO's incompetence? No one said Ashley was a bad director or doing a bad job. If anything, her Southern Illinois presence made her bid look better in the eyes of MAO, who was definately going out of their way to avoid certain people they are paranoid about and to stay of the the ire of the Chicago media. (NT) -- No name, 23:44:10 12/10/15 Thu

I said it was a backhanded comment on Ashley's bid, not on the MAO. What are you even talking about? And again, not disagreeing with the assertion that the bid was, in part, more attractive to MAO because it was a southern one. But where the original implication was that it was some nefarious scheme, I just see it as smart business. (NT) -- No name, 09:30:49 12/11/15 Fri

I don't see it as smart business. The best resources and media resources are in Chicago and St. Louis. Marion is close to nothing. I don't see it as "smart business". MAO cut off it's nose to spite its face. They could have moved the program back to the Chicago area and kept the Dream Team at bay. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:57 12/13/15 Sun

I appreciate your opinion; I just think we disagree on this. But either way, the program seems to be moving in a positive direction right now. Time will tell if MAO actually cut off its nose to spite its face. (NT) -- No name, 12:39:55 12/15/15 Tue

Looks as if So IL people have taken over & Michelle Holmes is the new Image Coordinator. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:21 12/05/15 Sat
Michelle Holmes? What a joke! (NT) -- No name, 16:26:18 12/05/15 Sat
Miss World 2015 Brunch and Viewing Party @The Trump Tower -- No name, 22:13:52 12/07/15 Mon

When you change the topic, you should create a new post. Otherwise no one is going to see your message. (NT) -- No name, 11:14:48 12/08/15 Tue
Let's make sure the public understands that the viewing party is being hosted by Derrick Lee. They didn't mention that. Why would anyone give him a dime or support anything his name is involved in? He is the former Miss United States director that stole from a children's hospital, didn't give his prize package to the contestants, and former director of Belleza Latina where he screwed his state queens. Nothing like getting to nationals without a hotel room or entry fees paid. All which should have been paid as part of our prize package. Derrick Lee has made a living being a con. DO NOT attend!! (NT) -- No name, 18:16:59 12/08/15 Tue

Belleza Latina is a trainwreck of a pageant system. I don't know how Derrick Lee could have made it any worse. (NT) -- No name, 23:47:38 12/08/15 Tue

Derrick Lee needs to go away! (NT) -- No name, 19:28:01 12/10/15 Thu

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Subject: Regime change
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 18:24:17 03/17/16 Thu With so many changes, I wondered if Scott B was kept on. He seemed to do a fair job of stage production. From what I've heard, not a good or supportive director, but was close with AS, so his shortcomings didn't matter. I hope he is back, he's kinda sexy...that huge smile!
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He did a great job with production. He should never have been teen director. The "face" of the teens needs to be someone the girls can relate to. Claire will be great. Wonder who is going to step in as the master carpenter? (NT) -- No name, 09:33:42 03/06/16 Sun Ha ha ha ha. What ever will they do without the "Master Carpenter"?! (NT) -- No name, 10:47:19 03/07/16 Mon 😂😂😂😂 (NT) -- No name, 10:35:16 03/06/16 Sun He has been with MAO for years. I believe he had the girls best interest not like some. (NT) -- No name, 13:16:45 03/06/16 Sun Scott has a good heart. (NT) -- No name, 20:38:26 03/06/16 Sun 😁😳😂😂😂😂 (NT) -- No name, 20:46:12 03/06/16 Sun I hope the hostesses and security crew comes back too (NT) -- No name, 20:54:31 03/06/16 Sun I think Scott was good at Production, but that was it. He did not work well with the Teens and should have NEVER been the Teen Director. End of my rant from personal experience! . (NT) -- No name, 10:32:21 03/09/16 Wed I think he took it cause no one else wanted to do it and the time But agree he did well in all other things. (NT) -- No name, 12:24:17 03/09/16 Wed Sorry but that man gave me the creeps. If I had a daughter running in teen I certainly would not want my child with him. May be nice but creepy in my opinion. He also sucked up to Amalia in a big way. I'm sure she treated him like a dog though. (NT) -- No name, 08:52:03 03/10/16 Thu Scott was dumb enough to take over the Teen program when Amalia was firing or driving away 1 to 2 OT directors a year. Scott, like Katie Frank, enabled the dynamic duo of Glenn and Amalia to survive for nine years. Scott needs to move on. (NT) -- No name, 01:44:07 03/13/16 Sun And all Miss titleholders. So should Ashley, Whitney Hannah Megan move on as well??? (NT) -- No name, 21:50:11 03/13/16 Sun The suggestion that Scott and past titleholders are the same is ludicrous. This comment is a good example of how some people forget the program is about the contestants, not them. Formers will always have their title. (NT) -- No name, 07:51:58 03/14/16 Mon But formers probably knew a lot more than he did and stayed "friends" with her too. Invite her to their weddings, family Function, and helped along side Amalia as well. (NT) -- No name, 14:01:14 03/15/16 Tue First, I think you're making a lot of assumptions regarding the closeness of any relationships that existed and also regarding what they knew. Second, how they handled things is up to them, not you. They literally owe you no explanation for their choices. Third, I repeat, formers will always have their titles. Scott will obviously not. This is comparing apples and oranges. And lastly, it might be time for you to build a bridge and get over it. We're all moving on. (NT) -- No name, 08:23:07 03/16/16 Wed I met many of the formers. I would be so happy to have anyone of them work with my daughter. Megan, Hannah. I thnk they stayed to be part of a program that meant so much to them. They did not ever behave in the same manner as Amalia or Glen. (NT) -- No name, 12:03:51 03/16/16 Wed Not true. One of them did. (NT) -- No name, 18:24:17 03/17/16 Thu But what about the ones that were in Amelia's back pocket? Deserving? (NT) -- No name, 14:02:45 03/14/16 Mon You mean "Amalia?" (NT) -- No name, 15:17:27 03/14/16 Mon What are you even talking about? Good grief. (NT) -- No name, 15:21:12 03/14/16 Mon

Subject: Susan Farris-Howard is the new Miss Illinois United States Director. Susan has been involved with pageants for many years; she began her career competing in local pageants across Western Kentucky, she eventually won the title of Miss Kentucky USA. Since moving to Illinois in the early 1990’s he has been active working with local pageants such as the Macoupin County Fair Queen pageant where she is a former assistant director. She also has experience with productions; she is a member of the Macoupin County Fair Board of Directors and works diligently on the Fundraising Committee where they put on several different events throughout the year. Susan is looking forward to making the Illinois pageant a great success and working with young women to help them to become the best that they can be. For more information call her at 217-825-6313 or email her at director@missillinoisus.org and like us on Facebook@ Miss Illinois United States Organization.
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New Director -- No name, 09:25:14 02/26/16 Fri Best of luck to you Susan. (NT) -- No name, 08:59:22 02/27/16 Sat Don't walk.,.run from this one ladies (NT) -- No name, 00:26:05 03/14/16 Mon

Subject: MAO Illinois
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 14:41:45 03/09/16 Wed I have been a fan of the Miss Illinois system for years and I have noticed quite a change this year. Are the numbers down this year? I think Ashley is doing a fantastic job as director but how are locals this year??

Subject: Pageant Coaching
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 10:01:25 03/09/16 Wed Just wanted to put this out there... If anyone is looking for a pageant coach for an IL pageant, contact Nikki Huber. She definitely knows what she is doing and seriously helped me! She helped me with walking, stage presence, wardrobe and gave me some health and fitness tips. Would recommend to anyone who is looking for an amazing coach!
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Ok but hasnt she competed several times herself in various pageants but never won? I think I prefer a coach with a better track record. Jmo. (NT) -- No name, 19:39:09 09/15/15 Tue Interesting logic... but let me help you out with your fallacy here. My Urban Gov't professor has never been Mayor of Chicago but she's otherwise qualified to teach the class. (NT) -- No name, 12:08:11 09/17/15 Thu Well unfortunately pageant coaching doesn't work that way. Ladies spend big bucks for coaches and I hire coaches for my daughter based on the coaches past success whether it's the coach themselves or their clients winning track records. I don't know this coach personally, she may be nice, great and fantastic but there are a lot of coaches in IL that have quite a great resume when it comes to their own experience. (NT) -- No name, 22:08:41 09/17/15 Thu I see several girls that I feel would be qualified to coach but did not place well at Miss IL America pageants due to the admintratiom (NT) -- No name, 01:34:37 09/18/15 Fri Stop the whining! Just like on MAO Board people feel things are rigged. You or your daughter didn't win. Get over It! (NT) -- No name, 12:47:07 09/18/15 Fri What? (NT) -- No name, 15:18:34 09/18/15 Fri What was the pageant Nikki was involved in? My roommate at USA told me it was sketchy. I'm sure she's nice and a good coach but my roommate did not have a good thing to say about that pageant. And I think that's how she new Nikki (NT) -- No name, 17:52:42 09/29/15 Tue Miss Illinois United States. Isn't she their coach? (NT) -- No name, 19:37:27 10/01/15 Thu I don't know but I didn't say the pageant was sketchy. I said Derrick was sketchy. (NT) -- No name, 17:10:02 10/02/15 Fri Derrrick is a wonderful director. There is nothing "sketchy" about him. (NT) -- No name, 17:38:20 10/02/15 Fri Derrick owes everyone money and scams everyone. He also has allegedly taken the money from the people's choice that was supposed to go to lurie's children's hospital. He is the WORST director I have met in 20 years of competing. (NT) -- No name, 15:47:02 10/11/15 Sun You obviously are not aware that Derrick has taken money from other systems as well. He was involved with another system in Illinois and embezzled thousands of dollars and was fired because of it. He is a very sketchy person. (NT) -- No name, 00:17:24 10/12/15 Mon I am so upset! I just found out that Derrick charged double for us to be in his pageant! I also am hearing that he is spreading rumors about my mom! He is telling alot of people that she was wanting her money back from the photogetic contest. This is not even true becuse my mom didnt know she voted after it closed. I never told her! (NT) -- No name, 19:20:34 11/02/15 Mon Derrick told people that a mom voted after the photogenic competition was closed and how dare her ask for the money back when it was going to sick kids. He also said he had no way to get the money back since it was already at the hospital. He is a sociopath. Seriously read this article. It is Derrick Lee all the way. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3780417 Does he know how to be honest with anyone? Everything he said was a lie. (NT) -- No name, 22:49:52 11/02/15 Mon So your "roommate" had an issue with the pageant or Derrick, NOT YOU? And you "think" that's how she knew Nikki? You don't know Nikki but you took it upon yourself to speak on behalf of your roommate, not your friend about a coach you don't know, a director you don't know and a pageant you didn't compete in? But this thread is about coaching services with Nikki Huber. Yeah OK! (NT) -- No name, 23:34:51 10/03/15 Sat Don't hire Stephanie Piller. Ugh. (NT) -- No name, 17:08:29 10/06/15 Tue Sorry but Stephanie has done wonders with my daughter. One of the most caring coach's we have ever had. Plus my daughter won. I do believe she has a great reputation and track record. So your advice is dead wrong. (NT) -- No name, 19:09:48 10/06/15 Tue Really? Huh! That's funny, because I know a Miss IL who would've been a hot mess under AS if Stephanie hadn't been there to coach her at Miss America! I would HIGHLY recommend Stephanie as not only an excellent image consultant, but someone who truly CARES about the girls! (NT) -- No name, 19:10:23 10/06/15 Tue It's apparent that AS or Sue is behind that sabotage. Everyone that has coached with Stephanie raves about her but ever since she resigned and stood up to the crazies they have been planning attacks against her. Sad. Stephanie is one of the honest ones in the business. (NT) -- No name, 19:15:22 10/06/15 Tue What's really sad is that Sue has a long rant on her fb trying to make people believe that she and Stephanie are "friends" That's a load of BS! Amalia and Sue tried to harm Stephanie and her business over the summer. Stephanie has nothing to do with Sue or Beth now because of their drama and lies. So I find it funny that Sue is ranting on fb trying to make believe that her and Stephanie are bff's after what Sue did to her! Pathetic! (NT) -- No name, 20:09:39 10/13/15 Tue Stephanie is an excellent coach and a great person. Like so many others, she had her name and reputation smeared by the previous Miss Illinois leadership because she dared to speak up about the wrong-doing against titleholders. She was even brave enough to formally complain to MAO about what she witnessed first hand. As a result she was attacked and blackballed. Now that we have new leadership, there's no reason for people to look negatively at Stephanie. By all means, if you feel she can help you, you should have no qualms about working with her! (NT) -- No name, 09:29:11 10/07/15 Wed So true and when AS pushed her out. The girls flopped after she left. (NT) -- No name, 17:33:16 10/07/15 Wed Pageant coaching -- No name, 19:21:02 10/06/15 Tue Stephanie is a washed up wanna be Queen. This was no way to win people over. You made yourself look like a scorned hag. (NT) -- No name, 14:57:57 10/07/15 Wed Ok Amalia. You are the hag. Crawl back under your rock. (NT) -- No name, 16:12:34 10/07/15 Wed Agree Amalia is a washed up old hag. Has been to this organization. She should move on. No one wants her here. (NT) -- No name, 14:24:06 10/16/15 Fri From what I've heard, AS tried many times to become Mrs. IL, but failed. Of course she hates Stephanie...she was a beautiful Mrs. IL and is loved by all, unlike the aforementioned. Stephanie has also been successful in all other important ways, such as a good marriage, great children, etc. Those are more of the things that certain others have failed at, but I guess when you bomb, you have to bash those who have not! I for one thank goodness for coaches like Stephanie; her work speaks for itself! (NT) -- No name, 18:04:33 10/16/15 Fri Nikki is an awesome coach and ripped. When it comes to fitness she knows her stuff. (NT) -- No name, 02:08:16 01/31/16 Sun nikki -- No name, 00:58:57 02/05/16 Fri she's a model for Lover's Lane (NT) -- No name, 19:07:27 02/09/16 Tue Lol Nikki -- No name, 15:34:34 02/06/16 Sat Coaching? (NT) -- No name, 22:17:11 03/05/16 Sat I believe she was Miss Earth. She was runner up for International and another organization. She has experience and knows what judges are looking for. She is a sweetheart and a great coach. (NT) -- No name, 17:42:56 03/06/16 Sun She was appointed Miss Earth Illinois. She's never won a pageant. Judges can see the fakeness a mile away. (NT) -- No name, 10:01:25 03/09/16 Wed

Subject: I want to compete in a Miss Illinois (America) local. Can I still do this if I am engaged? I wont be married for at lease another 3 years. Is there any rule against this?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:26:50 03/08/16 Tue
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yes (NT) -- No name, 22:45:27 03/05/16 Sat Under new director probably under Amelia sure but you'd never win at state she black balled that. (NT) -- No name, 00:14:30 03/06/16 Sun Go to MissIL.org (NT) -- No name, 07:02:56 03/06/16 Sun Doesn't seem to be a rule against it-- the current Miss America is engaged. But it is worth asking to know for sure. The website is www.missillinois.org (NT) -- No name, 19:22:20 03/06/16 Sun MAO -- No name, 17:26:50 03/08/16 Tue

Subject: Miss Capital City pageant TODAY March 6, 2016
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:49:19 03/07/16 Mon I just wanted to pass along this very important information. There are a couple of websites out there that state incorrect information for where and when the Miss Capital City pageant is supposed to be held. This is the correct information. Concordia Village 4101 West Iles Springfield, IL Pageant starts at 5 p.m. Adult tickets are $10, kids are $5 Please pass this along, so that everyone knows the correct place. Thank you!!!
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Good luck to all competing today. (NT) -- No name, 12:46:07 03/06/16 Sun Post winners! (NT) -- No name, 18:24:45 03/06/16 Sun Winners of Capital City, Land of Lincoln, and Macomb -- No name, 13:49:19 03/07/16 Mon

Subject: Bull Crap
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:15:43 03/05/16 Sat Ashley needs the numbers and Told Sherri to do it. I know this for Fact! Every one Ashley is using are the same people AS used. All the money that was raised is going to new org. Bringing in all the people AS had for years only shows that Ashley had no connections whatsoever of her own. Too bad Ashley does not have a clue how to run things. I hope MAO gets wind of this nonsense. Not fair to anyone and stop blaming AS for every dang thing. It's very apparent she herself does not know how to recruit Contestants! so unfair to Contestants!
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This post is so full of misinformation, it exhausts me to think of trying to correct it all. My only guess, again, is that you are someone (probably associated with AS, or AS herself) who finds themselves on the outside of the program, speculating about what is going on inside. It must be exhausting, keeping your nose pressed up against that window and still knowing so little. Let me just remind you that Ashley did not take AS's position. AS was fired. Months later, Ashley's team got the bid and has been doing a fine job. Ashley didn't take this from AS. AS lost it. It's really not a competition. Also, no one is blaming AS for last night. In fact, no one even mentioned AS. It's time for YOU to move on. (NT) -- No name, 22:37:07 02/21/16 Sun If the money (raised for the purpose of supporting contestants in the Miss Illinois America scholarship program) is going to the new organization, where is it? But, just for the sake of argument, let's say the money does, in fact, go to MISO, Inc...what exactly is your complaint? (NT) -- No name, 22:47:45 02/21/16 Sun Wow. Reading this makes me glad I left the program during the Amalia years and didn't come back. I wish Ashley well, but I don't miss the petty back stabbing and gossip of the MAO pageant world. (NT) -- No name, 23:32:33 02/21/16 Sun I've read this statement before and I'm really curious...Who is Ashley using that Amalia used? (NT) -- No name, 10:03:39 02/22/16 Mon Yes, tell us! (NT) -- No name, 16:37:53 02/22/16 Mon Every single sponsor is from the old group, not one new one. Production Team is exactly the same, Security, Hostesses, and more. She even brought back Shuey, Hannah and Zac her husband. So nothing is new at all. Only new people are Field Directors who are so new, they know nothing. Katie Frank is still involved as well. (NT) -- No name, 20:26:07 02/22/16 Mon "Nothing is new at all." Let's see. Board, all new. Field directors, all new. Not only new, but also trained on the rules and abiding by them Sponsors, some new, some not. Production team, not even finalized yet. The reality is that not everyone needed to be fired because of Amalia's choices. In fact, the only people who needed to leave were Amalia and her crew and they're gone. Many people have asked to return, some who were excluded or left the program because of her. Only someone whose perspective is askew would see this as a tribute to Amalia's team-building or a bad reflection on Ashley. This is really about your resentment that people are continuing to be involved, which I suspect you perceive as disloyalty. In truth, these people are loyal to the program and the contestants, as they should be. (NT) -- No name, 21:15:32 02/22/16 Mon What is Katie Frank's role? (NT) -- No name, 21:26:41 02/22/16 Mon Returning Production Crew -- No name, 11:29:23 03/01/16 Tue Well said. (NT) -- No name, 21:14:06 03/01/16 Tue Only good roll models pleez (NT) -- No name, 16:43:21 03/04/16 Fri Like people who are literate? (NT) -- No name, 14:22:40 03/05/16 Sat So let me guess, you stand by and watch Amalia's treachery, and you are rewarded with a return ticket; REALLY? What a joke! All past board members who served under Amalia should be OUT!!! (NT) -- No name, 18:27:02 02/23/16 Tue Um. They are. Save your indignation for something real. (NT) -- No name, 19:20:13 02/23/16 Tue Apparently the posters indignation is for good reason. An ex board member was said to be back who was referred to as "Amalia junior" at last years pageant. If this board member supported her, then she wasn't there "for the girls." (NT) -- No name, 09:08:21 02/24/16 Wed Who are you talking about, exactly? (NT) -- No name, 09:27:48 02/24/16 Wed The poster, as far as I could tell, was still talking about KF, whom you'll notice no one can actually identify as being involved. That's because she isn't. Additionally, it's already been stated the board is ALL NEW and Amalia's people are gone. So, no, that poster's indignation is not reasonable. That said, I have to think that you have changed the focus and are talking about someone else, because I can't see anyone calling KF "Amalia junior." So, please do tell us to which ex-board member you're referring, rather than passively-aggressively stirring the proverbial pot of unrest. (NT) -- No name, 13:56:36 02/24/16 Wed Well, there were 4 names mentioned above, and it was not KT, so you figure out who served on the board. (NT) -- No name, 09:30:25 02/25/16 Thu Well, if you're referring to Hannah (because you lack the testicular fortitude to say it outright), she was no longer a board member when Amalia was fired. But let's just set that argument aside for a second, Hannah is a former. She's not going anywhere. Additionally, she's doing choreography for the state pageant. She is more than appropriate for that role. Now, back to her role in AS's regime, Hannah was very young and should never have accepted a board position. But, more importantly, the adult who was running the program should never have asked her. Further, said adult fostered an unhealthy relationship with Hannah at a pivotal time in her life. I think some grace could be extended to Hannah for being young and impressionable. Ultimately, if you find it difficult to do that, your attempts to intimidate or exclude her make you no better than Amalia herself. If you find Hannah's involvement as the choreographer unpalatable, please feel free to exclude yourself instead. (NT) -- No name, 10:10:30 02/25/16 Thu Everyone wave to KL Daley! Worked side by side with you that year hearing you proclaiming she was all grown up and fam should honor that. 3yrs later too young to know better? Get yer stories straight! (NT) -- No name, 06:55:47 02/26/16 Fri Ha! Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not KL. (NT) -- No name, 11:42:07 02/26/16 Fri KF is not out, she's assisting with CMN so get your facts straight. Whether Hannah wants to admit it or not, she needs to tell the truth herself. I'm not for one side or the other, however GS & AS helped her in various situations. Sour grapes in all aspects is sad. However, both Hannah and Megan were supported through trying times in their lives. Too bad they aren't gracious enough to admit it. (NT) -- No name, 19:05:23 02/25/16 Thu The relationship between all these people is too complicated to discuss here and really none of our business. I'm not disputing that Hannah and Megan benefited from their association, but I do believe it came at a price to both. Not only that, the fact that they benefited doesn't make what they went through any less unacceptable. Ultimately, belaboring that aspect here is going to get us nowhere. The point I'm trying to make is that neither can be expected to be excluded from the organization because of their association with Amalia when a) they're formers and b) they were young and impressionable. While they may have benefited, they've also suffered enough. As for KF, I'm pretty sure my facts are straight. (NT) -- No name, 11:47:50 02/26/16 Fri Obviously the poster of this "Bull Crap" needs to grow up. Hope you are not helping because there negative people need to be gone. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:19 03/01/16 Tue Stop the negativity (NT) -- No name, 22:15:43 03/05/16 Sat

Subject: More trouble in IL MAO
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 17:07:30 03/03/16 Thu I have been a fan of MAO for several years, but I can say that I witnessed something I have never seen before. In my opinion, this is the biggest piece of unfair bs I have ever heard of. Tonight, the local for Miss Central Illinois/Springfield/Prairie State was held. They were going to award three Miss titles and just one Outstanding Teen title (as there were only four teen contestants). So, the three Miss crowns were announced as well as the one teen winner (plus a teen 1st RU). Then, during the after party held just outside the pageant auditorium, the director decides to announce that she is actually awarding a second teen title. But, she gives this title to one of the girls who was not even the teen 1st RU. A few minutes after that, the director decides to hand out a third crown to the teen who actually finished 1st RU. So, the director awards three crowns and leaves the only other contestant with nothing. I do not understand how this was even allowed, especially since Ashley Hatfield (the new state director for Illinois) was there in attendance. I am not even directly affected by this, but I am sure pissed about it. What do you all think?
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How about the fact that the judges saw a contestant in crown and sash as a previous Team Sherri titleholder BEFORE judging was complete? The whole swapping titles is so predictable from Sherri's team. (NT) -- No name, 00:12:32 02/21/16 Sun She should have been disqualified. This is why you didn't see Adriens video. (NT) -- No name, 07:28:20 02/22/16 Mon What are you even talking about? (NT) -- No name, 09:32:52 02/22/16 Mon Farewell videos are to be played at the end of the pageant. After the judging is complete so that the judges don't see current contestants as a previous titleholder. The videos were mistakenly played before the competition area of the pageant, in front of the judges, showing Amelia in crown and sash. An unfair advantage to her and a disadvantage to other contestants. (NT) -- No name, 10:20:44 02/22/16 Mon Wouldn't the judges already know Amelia was a previous titleholder? They would have read that on her resume. Numerous other contestants likely also placed on their resumes that they were previous titleholders or contestants, and how well they have done in other competitions. To my knowledge, there are no rules about when videos are played. This appears to me to be grasping at straws for complaints. (NT) -- No name, 10:37:26 02/22/16 Mon While there might not be an official rule on this, it is in poor taste to give any contestant more attention in front of the judges than another. Playing a farewell video of a contestant that is also an outgoing titleholder before judging is complete would be within the realm of poor taste. As a general rule in pageantry, if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it. There will always be people that complain about things, but this appearance of impropriety could have been avoided with a little common sense. And it still doesn't explain away the issue with the teens. Seems to have just been some poor decisions being made or things done in haste. (NT) -- No name, 10:59:37 02/22/16 Mon I fully agree with what you're saying, but I guess I'm confused about the complaint. Neither Adrien's, nor Amelia's videos were played prior to judging be completed, but a number of girls could have been in any of those videos. I think what's being taken out of the equation is the integrity of the judges. At this point, they already know each contestant's background and have interviewed the contestants as well. To worry that this one thing will influence the judging in any significant way implies that you can't trust the judges' ability to judge. I don't think the judges' integrity is in question; and the state organization has measures to prevent the local directors from influencing the outcome. Without question, there were examples of poor judgment on Saturday night, but ultimately they were not made by the judges themselves. (NT) -- No name, 11:20:48 02/22/16 Mon I actually don't have a complaint about the outcome. I was not there. I was just making a comment about the appearance of impropriety that a seasoned local director should have realized. I didn't see the pageant and have no opinions on the outcome either way. Having seen Amelia at state, I have no doubt that she did well this weekend. Unfortunately poor decisions by "management" sometimes turn what was a perfectly clean judgement and deserving win, into something that people will question. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:22 02/22/16 Mon Just for clarification, my first comment on this started with the "While there might not be an official rule on this" statement. I did not make the previous comments complaining about the outcome. I can see how these boards can be confusing. (NT) -- No name, 11:34:14 02/22/16 Mon They are. And I'm still confused by the others' complaints, but I do agree with your articulate, reasonable posts. They're refreshing. :) (NT) -- No name, 11:44:05 02/22/16 Mon Let me also add that Amelia didn't have a video and they never got Adrien's to work. None of which changes your point, which again I totally agree with: In general, "if you think it might look bad or create drama, just don't do it." But I didn't think there was any question that Amelia was the winner of Miss Springfield. I thought the major issue was the occurrence with the teen program, which has nothing to do with judging, but everything to do with the above adage. (NT) -- No name, 11:31:12 02/22/16 Mon There was no reason Amelia should have been disqualified. She competed for a closed title. And Adrien's video didn't play due to technical difficulties. Not everything is a conspiracy. (NT) -- No name, 10:42:48 02/22/16 Mon not just the swapping titles..giving three teens crowns with only four contestants was wrong and mean and super tacky (NT) -- No name, 00:14:36 02/21/16 Sun And it was planned because the sashes were all ready. This group obviously picks and chooses their winners. (NT) -- No name, 00:23:28 02/21/16 Sun I'm not going to excuse the group's inexcusable behavior, but it's possible the three sashes were already ordered because you can award one Teen title for every Miss title (of which there were three.) (NT) -- No name, 18:16:25 02/21/16 Sun Miss Spring field local -- No name, 06:08:19 02/21/16 Sun Really??? -- No name, 06:25:47 02/21/16 Sun No one wonders why the numbers are low. The numbers are expected to be low as the program recovers from the abuse of the previous group. Also, no one, least of all the new team, wants a talentless, brainless titleholder, so I'm not sure where that comes from; nor am I clear how the occurrences of last night can be blamed for tarnishing an already obliterated reputation. Undoubtedly, what happened last night was inexcusable and I guarantee Ashley and her group were neither aware, nor approving of it. That said, I'm certain the board felt in the beginning that it was only fair to give some local directors the opportunity to make a fresh start, abide by the rules and show good judgment. (NT) -- No name, 18:03:28 02/21/16 Sun Illinois local directors -- No name, 06:59:38 02/21/16 Sun I could not agree more. People need to ask themselves if they're in this for the contestants or for themselves. The problems usually arise from the people who have gotten that confused. (NT) -- No name, 18:13:01 02/21/16 Sun I do believe that Chris & Sherri do what they do for the girls. They devote their own time, money, their home, etc for their contestants. And most become like family to them. I do believe their heart is in the right place. (NT) -- No name, 21:34:48 02/21/16 Sun Well, I'm not sure that becoming so close to contestants as to consider them "part of the family" isn't overstepping somewhat. Not maintaining an appropriate professional distance has been known to muddy the waters and give the impression of impropriety, whether or not there has been any. Nevertheless, I don't claim to know the Winters' heart, but if they are well-meaning, it's unfortunate they missed the mark so drastically on the matter of the teens. (NT) -- No name, 11:39:40 02/22/16 Mon Unless the State ED knows in advance and the numbers are there, 4 contestants for each Title, you cannot arbitrarily just Give a Title! How did Amelia M receive a Title if she was already Sherrie's Titleholder. Ashley has Field Directors that have no clue. Based on what happened at their pageant! (NT) -- No name, 22:24:58 02/21/16 Sun If Amelia relinquished Her previous title she can compete for one of the other two titles. (NT) -- No name, 07:25:30 02/22/16 Mon I think it may be you who has no clue. The reason Amelia is eligible is because Miss Springfield is closed. She only competed for Miss Springfield, and this is because she was ineligible for Miss Central Illinois, as the previous titleholder. She had to relinquish that title in order to compete, which she did. At the local director's meeting, the rules were addressed regarding a titleholder being allowed to compete in the same pageant, but for a different title. It was read straight from the licensing agreement. The Field Directors and the Local Directors know the rules MAO has set forth. The bottom line is this: no rules were broken in the crowning of Miss Springfield. (NT) -- No name, 09:45:51 02/22/16 Mon Let's stick with the subject at hand. This was Wrong! (NT) -- No name, 23:46:44 02/21/16 Sun What was the real order of titleholders? Who "should have" won and who were the runners up? Trying to make sense of all that went down. (NT) -- No name, 06:43:40 02/22/16 Mon If the final teen's parents wanted to purchase her crown and sash she too could compete at "state". She could be appointed just as the others were and and I would be very surprised if the Winters did not offer her that opportunity. (NT) -- No name, 14:53:46 02/22/16 Mon The Winters' did not offer her that opportunity, although I doubt she would ever want to work with them ever again anyway. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:54 02/22/16 Mon I need to add that I was told by people who were there that parents of other contestants went directly up to the Winters' to complain that the excluded teen deserved one of the crowns. Apparently, the Winters' stated there was nothing they could do about that. Bull! (NT) -- No name, 15:10:12 02/22/16 Mon Do not speak of something you know nothing about -- No name, 17:07:30 03/03/16 Thu I don't know this family, but maybe they couldn't afford to "purchase" their daughter a title, not to mention that purchasing a title shouldn't really be what this program is about in the first place. Whether the Winters offered them the opportunity or they did not, it was in poor taste to crown the others publicly at that time, not only for the 4th competitor's sake, but also for the sake of the actual winner. It just showed bad judgment. Period. It's probably best to just learn from it and move on. (NT) -- No name, 15:11:01 02/22/16 Mon Ashley being in the Audience as she was should have handled it. It was just wrong. The Winters knew better. I don't care what anyone says, Amelia should not have been allowed to compete in the same pageant. Hence, taking a Title away from someone else! Wrong, just wrong! (NT) -- No name, 20:17:06 02/22/16 Mon Learn the rules. It's not about opinion, it's about the actual rules set by MAO. What, exactly, did you want Ashley to do about an eligible girl competing in a pageant in which she was eligible to compete and then legitimately winning said pageant? (NT) -- No name, 21:25:58 02/22/16 Mon

Subject: National Sweetheart Pageant
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:36:34 03/01/16 Tue Can't believe MAO is forbidding girls or judged be part of Sweetheart or be banned from MAO!! With no reason given. Really????

Subject: Let's just blame Ashley for all the past and present problems and then get over it and move on. For goodness sake people, if you put this effort in helping to make the system better Illinois would be unstoppable. If anyone was really in this for the girls, as I truly believe Ashley is, you would be pulling together instead of still pulling each person apart. What a great example adults are sending to the young ladies.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:28:59 02/27/16 Sat
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It is EMBARRASSING! This is what Illinois known for. Sad. (NT) -- No name, 08:28:59 02/27/16 Sat

Subject: Meet Ieena Duggal and Steven Roddy at Bridal Elegance 2/27/16
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:46:28 02/17/16 Wed Februrary 27th, Bridal Elegance in Ottawa, IL will be hosting an Ieena Duggal Trunk Show. Meet Ieena Duggal and shop her 2016 Ieena for Mac Duggal Collection. Also in attendance will be Steven Roddy of The Pageant Planet! The event starts at 11am, it is free and open to the public. Visit the Facebook event page for more information---> Ieena Duggal Trunk Show: Facebook Event Page
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Personally, I'm not a MacDuggal fan. Have just never really liked their stuff. (NT) -- No name, 21:59:24 02/10/16 Wed Guess that means you're not coming. Thanks for sharing. (NT) -- No name, 21:33:53 02/11/16 Thu That is correct, I won't be coming. But in a country with free speech, and expecially on an anonymous message board, I expressed my opinion. G'day mate! (NT) -- No name, 23:22:28 02/11/16 Thu More like pissing on the positivity. But its a message board. You're right. No manners required. (NT) -- No name, 10:55:09 02/12/16 Fri That person was neither pissing on the positivity nor being rude to comment that Mac Duggal isn't their favorite. This is an open forum for people who are involved in pageants to come and discuss their opinions. It's not personal. (NT) -- No name, 15:13:57 02/12/16 Fri I am in no way meaning to start a fight but I was surprised to she this designer in Dillard's. I think it kind of takes away from the idea of going to a dress shop when you can get the designer at a department store. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:00 02/13/16 Sat Was it their cocktail dresses or gowns? They do have beautiful short dresses now. I would save the gowns for the showroom and boutiques. (NT) -- No name, 02:16:11 02/13/16 Sat They were prom. Easily worn at a local or even state. I am not sure how a private owned boutique could compete with a department store to carry a designer. But even more so I would have been mad if I had bought a dress from a boutique to get the designer and then find out it is available at a department store. Like I said not trying to start an argument and I like these dresses but this just does not make sense to me. (NT) -- No name, 21:43:00 02/14/16 Sun Since pageant is down South, everyone is going to Michelle H. Jan would be stupid to sponsor as would MacDuggal. (NT) -- No name, 17:13:21 02/16/16 Tue So, what you're saying is that Jan & MacDuggal should not give any sponsorship if SOME people shop at Michelle H's store? (NT) -- No name, 20:53:45 02/16/16 Tue Is Steven Roddy no longer associated with Mon Cheri? (NT) -- No name, 22:51:53 02/16/16 Tue reply -- No name, 16:46:28 02/17/16 Wed

Subject: Miss Southern Illinois/Miss Heartland
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 15:01:28 02/09/16 Tue What a sad turnout for this pageant. Nothing like it used to be. There was no rhyme or reason to the way things were done. It was like hurry up and get the teen done and move along to the Miss. In all my years of being around pageants, I have NEVER seen anything like this before. They made a hue mistake taking away pre-teen and even the little one.
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One of the reasons cited for Amalia's group losing their MAO license was the running of unsanctioned pre-teen pageants. They are not allowed, so that's why Southern Illinois didn't have one. And I think they'd be better off abolishing the teen and sticking with the Miss, but I also suspect that Genie has left the bottle and won't be going away anytime soon. (NT) -- No name, 09:35:14 02/08/16 Mon Scheduling a pageant for Super Bowl Sunday was probably not wise, either. (NT) -- No name, 11:18:16 02/08/16 Mon Not everyone that got kicked to the curb was a bad volunteer and worker. A lot of valuable people went down because of Amalia., and no, they weren't board members. It was sad to say the least. Most will never be back . Lots of good, hard working people were lost. (NT) -- No name, 15:27:31 02/08/16 Mon Yea, but that's also the price of hanging around and turning a blind eye when you know there's a bad leader at the helm. So while many good people may have been kicked to the curb, it's also their own fault for thinking they were hanging around for "the good of the girls". (NT) -- No name, 15:58:36 02/08/16 Mon Agree completely. However, that would include EVERYONE in the organization other than the people who were instrumental in getting Amalia out! Matter of fact, that might include a lot of people who are running things now. So, virtually EVERYBODY turned a blind eye. The fault lies on the shoulders of the specific people who did the wrong things. (NT) -- No name, 18:43:09 02/08/16 Mon I soo agree that Ashley, Megan, Whitney, even Claire and Jane ann are all in the same boat knowing and working with Amalia over the years.. Not just the board. (NT) -- No name, 13:06:01 02/09/16 Tue I'm not engaging in this argument, which has been covered ad nauseum, but what does this have to do with the execution of this particular pageant? Your statement is not only false, but irrelevant. (NT) -- No name, 13:57:05 02/09/16 Tue You just engaged. (NT) -- No name, 14:24:48 02/09/16 Tue Not exactly. I'm not engaging in an argument about why their statement is false, particularly after it has been so publicly dispelled on this board, nor am I attempting to change anyone's mind. I'm simply (rhetorically) asking how it's relevant to the discussion about the Miss Southern Illinois/Miss Heartland pageant. And the answer is that it isn't. (NT) -- No name, 14:48:56 02/09/16 Tue If your point is that the quality has gone down as the result of the exclusion of some volunteers, then my question for you is this: who is to blame for the quality of this pageant when they were still involved? This pageant has been going downhill for years. That said, the attendance can easily be explained by the unfortunate scheduling. But ultimately, two titles were awarded on Sunday, so let's stop grasping for opportunities to expel our sour grapes. (NT) -- No name, 14:32:38 02/09/16 Tue Some volunteers were removed because of rules MAO has in place-rules that are being heeded by the new team. You can either have a group that follows the rules or one that does not...and I think we all know how that turns out. (NT) -- No name, 15:01:28 02/09/16 Tue If you cannot promote and put on a quality pageant with your retiring titleholder being Miss Illinois and your new director being a former Miss Illinois living in the immediate area something is not right. MAO waited too long. (NT) -- No name, 15:37:48 02/08/16 Mon Dear God why not take some responsibility for yourselves. You're going to blame your child's bad grades on her pretty soon. (NT) -- No name, 09:05:15 02/09/16 Tue While I'm sure Amalia would love the conversation to still be about her, I don't think there's anyone in this thread blaming Amalia for how well this pageant was carried out. Untwist your knickers. (NT) -- No name, 11:06:32 02/09/16 Tue

Subject: Illinois International Junior Miss is quickly approaching! Anyone know who's competing?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 19:49:08 02/06/16 Sat
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they never broadcast who is competing until the day of the pageant. Is it in March again this year? (NT) -- No name, 15:19:15 01/18/16 Mon I believe it is February 5-7th (NT) -- No name, 00:07:32 01/19/16 Tue Heard tons of new girls (NT) -- No name, 02:55:53 01/28/16 Thu Oh I thought this thread was about Illinois International. IIJM sounds like a great program. (NT) -- No name, 16:44:51 02/01/16 Mon Good luck this weekend to all the amazing ladies that are competing. (NT) -- No name, 19:49:08 02/06/16 Sat

Subject: IL IJM
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:10:42 01/31/16 Sun Does anyone have any experience with the International Junior Miss system? Thinking of competing...thoughts?
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The state program is decent. However, be prepared that if your daughter wins she has to attend nationals and it's very very expensive. Nothing is provided for you. Ad pages are mandatory. It's a week long event in VA so add in airfare,hotel and food for a week. That doesn't even cover wardrobe, hair and makeup and optional competitions. It's very competitive and they like them pretty! Plan on spending $5-7k for nationals. (NT) -- No name, 22:57:39 10/13/15 Tue Agreed. Great system. Nationals is expensive. (NT) -- No name, 01:55:26 10/14/15 Wed It's no more expensive than a week in dumpy Atlantic City. (NT) -- No name, 09:57:07 10/14/15 Wed The difference is your daughter would be competing at Miss America where in most states a lot is provided for them. Wardrobe flight hotel. IJM is not as prestigious and you are not given anything to assist you with expenses. (NT) -- No name, 16:16:47 10/14/15 Wed IJM might not be as prestigious as Miss America or Miss USA, but it is top of the line for pageants that can help prepare your daughter to get to the big stage. The International winners just returned from their European vacation. Great prize package, great exposure. It might be an expensive journey, but it is an awesome experience. (NT) -- No name, 20:43:23 10/15/15 Thu Is IJM a glitz pageant? And other questions -- No name, 00:26:33 11/05/15 Thu IJM is great but it's not for first timers unless you hire a good coach. It's very competitive. The state is not as glitzy as nationals. Their national pageant is very glam and like mentioned above you better have deep pockets $. With that said, if your daughter is drop dead gorgeous and has a natural modeling ability and you can afford it then give it a whirl. It's a nice program. (NT) -- No name, 07:20:55 11/05/15 Thu State pageant is sketchy -- No name, 13:09:01 11/18/15 Wed This is entirely untrue. Being a contestant that was not local, not even knowing who the judges were, and meeting the director once prior, I WON a title. Not from knowing people, but from working hard and COMPETING for it. I then made Top 10 at internationals. Just because your child didn't win, doesn't mean you get to discredit the work that the titleholders did by saying that the pageant was fixed. (NT) -- No name, 10:29:40 11/23/15 Mon Il ijm -- No name, 23:06:32 11/23/15 Mon Predictions anyone?? (NT) -- No name, 03:00:59 01/28/16 Thu Agreed. the state pageant is well run but the national pageant is glitz which puts the winner at a disadvantage unless she's a chameleon and can change her wardrobe, makeup, and walk in time for nationals. (NT) -- No name, 12:16:35 01/29/16 Fri Illinois IJM -- No name, 13:10:09 01/29/16 Fri Do your homework and you will do amazing. It is a semi-glitz type pageant. Wardrobe matters. Look at national and state past winners and you will do fine. Have fun!! (NT) -- No name, 02:10:42 01/31/16 Sun

Subject: Lawsuit
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 02:04:03 01/31/16 Sun Heard the lawsuit was settled. Surely, someone knows what happened.
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Court records are public record. Just need to know what county it was filed in and you can look it up. (NT) -- No name, 12:14:17 01/26/16 Tue What county was it filed in? (NT) -- No name, 14:24:36 01/26/16 Tue What ever county AS lives in. That is where you would want to look. (NT) -- No name, 02:54:19 01/28/16 Thu She lives in McHenry County (NT) -- No name, 08:37:16 01/28/16 Thu Nothing turns up but a traffic violation each. (NT) -- No name, 12:10:23 01/29/16 Fri Oh for the love of Jesus, let it rest already . (NT) -- No name, 12:53:31 01/29/16 Fri Supposedly it was a cook county court case (NT) -- No name, 02:04:03 01/31/16 Sun

Subject: Heard there was a GS & AS citing in Marion, IL at the Mayor's office
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 08:47:48 01/29/16 Fri
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WHEN????!!!! WHY????!!!!😱 (NT) -- No name, 21:58:56 01/27/16 Wed Saw this myself. They are truly trying to get the money in Marion released to Ashley. Have been for months. Marion Atty is not allowing the release. (NT) -- No name, 06:33:42 01/28/16 Thu Meant to say, saw the letter myself. I have to say, I'm a bit surprised. (NT) -- No name, 06:35:54 01/28/16 Thu Calling BS on this one. So after MAO instructed the City of Marion to hold that money for a new group, now you tell us that the previous group is fighting MAO to have the money released to Ashley? Neither story connects. (NT) -- No name, 08:35:28 01/28/16 Thu Hilarious. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:22 01/28/16 Thu That's exactly right. In the know & you can call either Attorney to find this information out. Not that they would give it to you, but heard it myself right here in Marion. (NT) -- No name, 11:40:42 01/28/16 Thu Well if it's all the rage in town gossip in Marion, then it must be true! Thank you Gladys Kravitz! (NT) -- No name, 08:47:48 01/29/16 Fri Confirmed it myself, they are booked in Marion hotel. (NT) -- No name, 12:47:16 01/28/16 Thu If they're in Marion, it's probably because a settlement has been reached and they didn't want to wait on the mail to get their check. No one is buying that they're there out of the kindness of their hearts, advocating for Ashley's group to receive the program's money. lol (NT) -- No name, 15:33:18 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: Has anyone heard that USA will be in Bloomington this year? Fact or fiction?
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Subject: What a mess
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:06:35 01/28/16 Thu
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oh dear (NT) -- No name, 13:55:20 11/08/15 Sun What I would say is that the owners made a tough decision knowing that firing Mr. Wilmer would cause their system to come under fire. The easier thing for them to do would have been to brush it under the rug and pretend it didn't happen. Instead they did the honest thing. It's called integrity. Wish more systems had it (NT) -- No name, 23:30:15 11/08/15 Sun Very interesting read. After seeing many things happen in the pageant world I am glad to see someone do the right thing. My only question is, Why allow someone involved with contestants be allowed to judge in the first place? Models of sponsors or students should not be allowed to compete if the sponsor is involved in that year. It just does not look good for the organization. I would think that if a person was asked and the organization was unaware of the involvement they would decline. It never stays quiet in pageant world. (NT) -- No name, 18:19:49 11/16/15 Mon What does the smaller photo of the email say. Can't read it. (NT) -- No name, 00:37:13 11/20/15 Fri "bared" witness LOL (NT) -- No name, 10:10:55 11/29/15 Sun Have I missed something? What the heck is that? Anyone explain. (NT) -- No name, 03:06:35 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: I completed my first pageant because I needed to bring awareness to my cause, anti-bullying. And here, pageant people are bullying. All I can say is that as a community you can disagree with people and even not like people but dont bash, this is completely unnecessary. The thread is about a trusted man, a director, a coach who made mistakes. He didn't learn from them in the Belleza system, no one spoke up to protect people he took advantage of so he was free to do it again, this time taking advantage of girls, their causes, their parents who don't have extra money to just give away, and from children. The money he stole was to benefit the children's hospital to help parents be able to stay with their sick children. This is a time to come together and stand up for what is right. Shane on you if you don't. Take pride in your title, in your system, in yourself. Or with 4 systems under investigation in Illinois right now, there won't be any left.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 03:04:49 01/28/16 Thu
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What a you taking about? You completely lost me. (NT) -- No name, 03:04:49 01/28/16 Thu

Subject: Looks like the Schwerdtmann's are still trying to get the ticket money from the City of Marion.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 16:49:29 01/25/16 Mon Funny, but if they supposedly had planned to quit as certain people kept insisting last summer, why would they still be trying to sue MAO to get the Marion ticket money six months later? Shouldn't they have just walked away and let that money get turned over the Ashley's new group? http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/510654077-miss-illinois-beauty-pageant-organizers-legal-tussle-with-miss-america-group-headed-to-arbitration
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They must have counted the ticket money in their budget and need to collect it for themselves? i cannot understand why there is any suit left since a new group has been awarded the license and according to the licens Amalia had , whe would have had to turn the funds over to the new group anyway. OR...if MAO cancelled the license the money actually belongs to MAO to pay the bills of its licensee? Can anyoen figure this out? Maybe we need another gallon of water dropped on the witch? (NT) -- No name, 21:45:18 12/23/15 Wed Sorry, this has already been settled so this article is incorrect. Keep searching (NT) -- No name, 10:48:52 12/25/15 Fri No it has not..... (NT) -- No name, 22:54:26 12/25/15 Fri If this settled, then what was the outcome? (NT) -- No name, 11:01:31 12/30/15 Wed I miss Amalia and all the excitement. Why won't people leave her alone and give her the money her sacrifices for Miss Illinois merit? (NT) -- No name, 00:04:20 01/02/16 Sat It was not EXCITING for some people. Lots of people sacrificed for the organization for many years. (NT) -- No name, 02:11:24 01/04/16 Mon I think the post was maybe meant to be sarcastic. (NT) -- No name, 09:12:55 01/04/16 Mon 😪 -- No name, 15:20:42 01/05/16 Tue Well , Amalia and her group couldn't have a suit unless they had a cased a case with MAO. Lawyers or a judge would not take a case if there wasn't any wrong doing from (NT) -- No name, 08:09:29 01/12/16 Tue That's not at all true. (NT) -- No name, 18:32:39 01/14/16 Thu No one really knows the truth unless your her. Everyone is basing on hearsay of others (NT) -- No name, 22:53:38 01/14/16 Thu My point was that you can't determine the validity of Amalia's claims based on an attorney's willingness to take the case. (NT) -- No name, 13:32:59 01/15/16 Fri Agree but people cannot judge unless they know all facts from both parties. (NT) -- No name, 21:06:00 01/15/16 Fri With that logic, one might assume that if she had a really good case, the judge would have already ruled unanimously in her favor. But no. (NT) -- No name, 15:05:31 01/16/16 Sat The point is .. Marion kept the money, it wasn't theirs to keep. The principle is what is being questioned. Marion is holding all the money...no one else. (NT) -- No name, 21:33:09 01/15/16 Fri By orders of MAO (NT) -- No name, 22:14:30 01/15/16 Fri Read the contract. (NT) -- No name, 15:03:35 01/16/16 Sat Yes and that is illegal. Everything Ashley has now is because of all the hard work of many others. Let's see what she does on her own. Just waiting ... No appearances up North at ALL this will be a mini Local pageant. The money will be hers yes, but wasn't raised by her or Marion. Fran should have taken this back over. Just saying... (NT) -- No name, 08:58:38 01/16/16 Sat Bless your bitter heart. (NT) -- No name, 15:02:57 01/16/16 Sat A big part of the problem in this organization is that, like you, some people forget the money belongs to the program for the benefit of the girls who participate in it. IF Ashley's group receives a dollar, it will not be "hers," but rather it will go to support a scholarship program for young women; you might have heard of it. However, it is absolutely true that everything the program has now-the innumerable burned bridges and the fences that have had to be mended, among other things-is a result of the "hard work" of certain other people who apparently forgot that the program was about the contestants, or that the contestants even mattered at all. (NT) -- No name, 08:32:43 01/17/16 Sun mao holding ticket money benefits no one but the lawyers -- No name, 10:00:57 01/16/16 Sat Amalia continuing to fight doesn't benefit anyone but the lawyers, either. Let's not forget that Amalia is not a victim. (NT) -- No name, 18:17:31 01/16/16 Sat You seriously have NO idea what you're talking about. Marion is NOT releasing the money. Know your facts. This was settled. (NT) -- No name, 22:45:10 01/16/16 Sat Glad everyone knows what exactly going on. Must be the lawyers. (NT) -- No name, 08:21:55 01/17/16 Sun MAO prep planned this whole thing. Problem was the contract was between Marion and ISA. With Mao trying to terminate the contract after the state pageant still left contract in good standing. In Mao agreement with states says to pay all expenses then release to Mao. (NT) -- No name, 08:27:53 01/17/16 Sun MAO planned nothing. They had no intention of doing anything in Illinois until WGN showed up at the state pageant and put them on the spot. Within a week of WGN's confrontation, MAO pulled the plug on Amalia and her entire Board. So MAO's reaction was knee jerk to help reduce the damage of the news story that was about to hit the airwaves. That said, the money held by the City of Marion was supposed to be for the program, and Amalia no longer held the rights to the program. It has always been the rule that any left over funds get turned over to the new group. I also think that if MAO had a brain, they'd call for an audit of the funds spent over 9 years by AS and GS. I'll bet that would stop the old group in their tracks. Wonder what type of reimbursements were paid out to Board members over nine years? I'd like to be a fly on the wall when that becomes known. (NT) -- No name, 12:31:42 01/18/16 Mon I hope it DOES become known. What a crooked bunch of greedy opportunists! Maybe they should sell their vacation home to pay off their debts. After all, they're supposed to use MAO funds (currently invested in SC realty) to pay their debts before turning over any money. (NT) -- No name, 16:49:29 01/25/16 Mon Which works if you're not a crook who has already fleeced the organization and would drain the account if given half the chance before ever giving over a dollar. Amalia wasn't let go because of her scrupulous business practices, so she couldn't be counted on to release the funds. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:01 01/25/16 Mon Sure those funds paid for the S.Carolina condo. (NT) -- No name, 13:52:03 01/25/16 Mon

Subject: Can we just drop it?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 13:48:25 01/25/16 Mon You got what you wanted. New regime, wonderful. But is it? Ashley has used everyone that was previously in place. All who volunteered for the old group. At least AS started a whole new team, all new sponsors. Ashley is Not doing anything earth shattering. Numbers are way down, so give it a chance. Marion should never have kept the money, whether MAO told them to or not. Right now, all is wonderful bc their Queen is in Southern IL. Let's see how it works for Ashley when someone wins up North. Not an AS proponent by any means but just by what I see. Nothing has changed much. The people volunteering are the same that volunteered for old group. So, the jury is still out. Ashley obviously thought enough that the people who did work with them were a wise choice.
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You say you want to drop it, but I'm assuming you meant you want to spew your opinion without anyone responding. That's not how things work when you're a grown-up. As far as I can tell, Ashley's group appears to have inherited a program that has been abused and run into the ground by an organization that was more corrupt than anyone could have even imagined. While she doesn't need me to defend her, Ashley has handled this with dedication and professionalism, taking on the task of rebuilding a program practically from the ground up, dealing with the mess left in Amalia's wake, all while attempting to diplomatically sort the people with their own personal agendas from the people who volunteered because they genuinely cared about the program. The tone of your post sounds as though you might be one of the culled, because it's clear you're not well-informed. (NT) -- No name, 11:03:53 01/17/16 Sun Unless you are one of Amalia's mindless lakeys, you must obviuosly know that Ashley had to start from scratch. I don't envy anyone who has to make their way through the debris and start this thing over. I'll bet you never applied for the state license yourself, despite coming on here and ripping into how Ashley is running the program now. (NT) -- No name, 20:17:30 01/17/16 Sun Absolutely! (NT) -- No name, 22:24:12 01/17/16 Sun Debris? Hardly.. Ashley has utilized every single sponsor and volunteer with the exception of a few. How strange though that the people she enlisted while sneaking around to help her get the license, she shit on and didn't ask any of THEM to volunteer. She is no different than the rest. Watch your backs,! (NT) -- No name, 20:27:47 01/17/16 Sun Again, from your lack of actual knowledge, my guess is that you're someone who finds themselves on the outside of the program and you're angry about it. But if you're confused about why that is, consider that the type of person who takes to the voy board to spout misinformation, accusations, gossip and spiteful attacks is exactly the type of person who needs to be excluded from this program. I think we've all had enough of that. Like it or not, the tone in the program is changing, even if yours isn't. (NT) -- No name, 22:02:54 01/17/16 Sun I was one of the people who was not excited about Ashley taking it over. But the decision has been made and she's the new E.D. Whoever took over the program was going to have a big task of moving everyone past the nine years of drama, lies, abuse and manipulation. No matter who took over the program, it was going to be a major task. That task also involved getting rid of some volunteers who were in the program for the wrong reasons or who were going to be spies for Amalia and Glenn. So despite my original reaction to MAO's decision, Ashley is the new E.D., and forward we move, with our without you. (NT) -- No name, 12:26:57 01/18/16 Mon If you feel that way, then you obviously have no interest in volunteering your time to such an organization. So move on and find somewhere else to expend your energy. (NT) -- No name, 12:33:45 01/18/16 Mon I honestly cannot figure out if you don't like Ashley, people from Southern Illinois, the City of Marion or people in general. I agree that your energy would be better served elsewhere. (NT) -- No name, 01:39:52 01/20/16 Wed Wonder if KL is back? (NT) -- No name, 13:48:25 01/25/16 Mon

Subject: Anyone know who is planning to return to Miss Illinois MAO and Outstanding Teen again this year?
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 01:51:32 01/20/16 Wed So excited to see who all is planning to return from last year's competition!
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I hope to see a lot of the girls back that have had bad experiences under the former leadership. (NT) -- No name, 01:51:32 01/20/16 Wed

Subject: So I wired Derrick Lee money to be in his pageant and he isn't even the director in my state!! HE LIED. BLOCKED ME FROM FACEBOOK. WONT ANSWWR MY EMAILS. Does anyone know how to contact him? He lives in either Illinois or Iowa because he is the director there.
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 23:31:02 01/19/16 Tue
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Are you saying that he owes you money? I would contact the national pageant directly. They know how to reach him (NT) -- No name, 13:50:50 12/28/15 Mon Hannah's boutique is having a fashion show. He is going to be served his subpoena papers there. Have your lawyer prepare a case quickly! (NT) -- No name, 00:26:51 12/29/15 Tue And that didn't happen. (NT) -- No name, 12:21:11 01/10/16 Sun He was removed months ago -- No name, 15:17:08 12/29/15 Tue Get in line. Derrick lee owes MANY people money and was just thrown out on his ass again. Couldn't tell you where he's living now. Just come to terms you will probably never see your money. Just run from anyone or anything that has to do with him. Learn from the experience. (NT) -- No name, 15:58:31 12/30/15 Wed He owes me money too from the US system- We'll see (NT) -- No name, 20:22:15 01/02/16 Sat That is smart if he is going to be served at a fashion show post it here so he will have a heads up and not show up (NT) -- No name, 19:33:50 12/30/15 Wed GET A LIFE -- you were blocked because you were being messy -- No name, 14:06:08 01/06/16 Wed You know EXACTLY how to reach Derrick. I am so disgusted at how he is being attacked. This is cyberbullying and slander at its finest. There's a ringleader behind it all. While you're so busy with your character assassination, let me ask you this: What if everything you've worked for was taken away overnight? What if your mother who is battling stage 4 colon cancer, losing her battle needed you but yet your time is being consumed by this bullshit? What if you were losing money and business and you're in fear of the worse for her? Well that's what Derrick is experiencing right now! How pathetic this is to see this right now. Contact the Nebraska Attorney General. She has the contact information. You provided it. Remember? If we're the community we claim to be, pick up the phone and see if he needs anything. If you can't do that, at least allow him to enjoy what could be his last year with his mother. Just unbelievable. (NT) -- No name, 20:03:22 01/06/16 Wed Derrick Lee -- No name, 23:15:17 01/16/16 Sat You have no clue what you are talking about. Derrick Lee took money through Walmart to Walmart and has Admitted to the Nebraska attorney general he took money and didn't refund it. In any court of law that is theft. He was not and is not the Nebraska director and he is a fraud! (NT) -- No name, 23:31:02 01/19/16 Tue

Subject: Miss IL County Fair Queen... Is anyone following this pageant? Updates? Predictions? Fill us in!
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 22:39:33 01/17/16 Sun
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I'm curious about this too.. Anyone care to respond? (NT) -- No name, 15:15:39 01/17/16 Sun Abby Foster.. 2016 miss Illinois county fair queen! (NT) -- No name, 22:39:33 01/17/16 Sun

Subject: It is so wonderful to have Ashley as the new ED!!!!!!! Illinois will be back in the running. Remember Karen DeWert is back in the light!! Make sure you call early for an appointment
Author: No name [ Edit \| View ]	Date Posted: 12:39:55 12/15/15 Tue
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You have got to be kidding. She's as old as dirt! (NT) -- No name, 20:06:59 10/12/15 Mon Old as dirt, and mean as a rattlesnake! You'd be better off with Robin Ventura as your coach (NT) -- No name, 16:42:00 10/13/15 Tue Then you don't know Karen very well. Caressa Cameron and Laura Kaeppeler would give you glowing references. (NT) -- No name, 09:56:14 10/14/15 Wed Dust her off and shine up that gold. Looking for my gold all the time. (NT) -- No name, 15:23:05 12/10/15 Thu Are you serious! We weren't allowed to work with Karen DeWert when AS was in charge. Local directors we are very lucky! (NT) -- No name, 21:13:26 10/12/15 Mon I take my had off to Ashley for accepting Karen coming back. Shame on Amalia for excluding Karen. Thank you Ashley!! (NT) -- No name, 19:11:16 10/13/15 Tue Karen is amazing. Great photography as well. Hard working and very knowledgeable. All of our Miss Americas worked with ger. Smart move Ashley. (NT) -- No name, 20:09:04 10/13/15 Tue Karen is a remarkable individual she will bring out the best in a contestant. (NT) -- No name, 21:11:51 10/13/15 Tue Just want everyone to know that Karen DeWert is ready for contestants that will be competing in 2015-16!! (NT) -- No name, 16:43:40 10/18/15 Sun Okay Karen, we get it. (NT) -- No name, 19:27:37 10/18/15 Sun Want to compete this year! -- No name, 19:47:20 10/18/15 Sun Good question, is there a new website? (NT) -- No name, 20:05:45 10/18/15 Sun The Teen information is incorrect. Wrong logo.,. Is this the new info now? (NT) -- No name, 16:09:30 10/27/15 Tue I LOVE Karen and so did my titleholders! MISPI would seriously benefit from bringing back the Dream Team. (NT) -- No name, 20:52:40 11/30/15 Mon MAO doesn't want the dream team involved, which is part of the reason they awarded the new franchise to a group with all Southern Illinois ties. MAOs loss, but then again, it took them 9 years to deal with Amalia, so what do you expect out of an incompetent MAO organization? (NT) -- No name, 22:34:39 12/04/15 Fri Ashley had a superior bid and is doing an excellent job as expected. It would be great if we could keep it positive. (NT) -- No name, 16:19:52 12/06/15 Sun There's nothing wrong with being honest. Good for Ashley that she's doing a great job. But I also think that MAO intentionally wanted it away from northern Illinois so as to bypass any involvement by the Dream Team and to avoid the Chicago media after the WGN expose'. And if candor is "negative" then so be it. (NT) -- No name, 18:26:50 12/07/15 Mon While there's obviously nothing wrong with honesty or candor, implying Ashley's bid was only selected because an "incompetent" MAO wanted to avoid certain people was not only a backhanded, negative comment on (and an underestimation of) Ashley's bid, but also a gross overestimation of the "Dream Team's" importance. That said, I can't blame MAO for wanting to distance itself from the negative past of the IL program and for making the somewhat radical choice to give the bid to a former and move the program south. It needed a new direction if it was ever going to be saved. That doesn't seem incompetent at all to me. (NT) -- No name, 19:23:20 12/08/15 Tue So after MAO ignored compliants for nine years and guys like Marc Angeli backstabbed titleholders and volunteers who stepped forth with the truth, you think it's a backhanded comment that somone spoke the truth about MAO's incompetence? No one said Ashley was a bad director or doing a bad job. If anything, her Southern Illinois presence made her bid look better in the eyes of MAO, who was definately going out of their way to avoid certain people they are paranoid about and to stay of the the ire of the Chicago media. (NT) -- No name, 23:44:10 12/10/15 Thu I said it was a backhanded comment on Ashley's bid, not on the MAO. What are you even talking about? And again, not disagreeing with the assertion that the bid was, in part, more attractive to MAO because it was a southern one. But where the original implication was that it was some nefarious scheme, I just see it as smart business. (NT) -- No name, 09:30:49 12/11/15 Fri I don't see it as smart business. The best resources and media resources are in Chicago and St. Louis. Marion is close to nothing. I don't see it as "smart business". MAO cut off it's nose to spite its face. They could have moved the program back to the Chicago area and kept the Dream Team at bay. (NT) -- No name, 00:08:57 12/13/15 Sun I appreciate your opinion; I just think we disagree on this. But either way, the program seems to be moving in a positive direction right now. Time will tell if MAO actually cut off its nose to spite its face. (NT) -- No name, 12:39:55 12/15/15 Tue Looks as if So IL people have taken over & Michelle Holmes is the new Image Coordinator. (NT) -- No name, 00:22:21 12/05/15 Sat Michelle Holmes? What a joke! (NT) -- No name, 16:26:18 12/05/15 Sat Miss World 2015 Brunch and Viewing Party @The Trump Tower -- No name, 22:13:52 12/07/15 Mon When you change the topic, you should create a new post. Otherwise no one is going to see your message. (NT) -- No name, 11:14:48 12/08/15 Tue Let's make sure the public understands that the viewing party is being hosted by Derrick Lee. They didn't mention that. Why would anyone give him a dime or support anything his name is involved in? He is the former Miss United States director that stole from a children's hospital, didn't give his prize package to the contestants, and former director of Belleza Latina where he screwed his state queens. Nothing like getting to nationals without a hotel room or entry fees paid. All which should have been paid as part of our prize package. Derrick Lee has made a living being a con. DO NOT attend!! (NT) -- No name, 18:16:59 12/08/15 Tue Belleza Latina is a trainwreck of a pageant system. I don't know how Derrick Lee could have made it any worse. (NT) -- No name, 23:47:38 12/08/15 Tue Derrick Lee needs to go away! (NT) -- No name, 19:28:01 12/10/15 Thu

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