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Subject: Which Miss America winner was the one that struck you as the most " came out of nowhere" to take the title? Mine would be Tawny Godin. This is not a slam to the winners that year, but basically means they were just flying under the radar Author: No name [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 11:44:36 01/29/26 Thu Author Host/IP: 113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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Subject Author Date Kira until we saw the Kmart lady barefoot. (NT) No name (NoHost/212.15.84.120) 13:07:31 01/29/26 Thu I'm not following... Who is the "K Mart Lady?" (NT) -- No name, 15:20:29 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Kathy Ireland, head judge that year. She was interviewed before the finals, barefoot. (NT) -- No name, 10:26:07 01/31/26 Sat (NoHost/212.15.84.241) Cara Mund, but it was a pleasant surprise. Her RU was also a shocker (NT) No name (NoHost/200.9.115.202) 13:49:56 01/29/26 Thu Cara's year, everyone expected the yodeling ventriloquist from Louisiana to win. She was a double prelim winner, and up to q&a she was winning. But got that horrible question with the answer about rompers. Noone saw Cara coming even after the q&a session. (NT) -- No name, 01:57:31 01/31/26 Sat (syn-098-156-198-127.res.spectrum.com/98.156.198.127) Were the questions that year generic or written to be contestant specific? As much as LA was prepared… (NT) -- The question made her come across as a pageant bot, 18:30:39 02/01/26 Sun (99-7-233-117.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net/99.7.233.117) from my understanding they were "random". (NT) -- No name, 18:38:45 02/01/26 Sun (syn-098-156-198-127.res.spectrum.com/98.156.198.127) Rebecca King, Tawny Godin, Kate Shindle, Teresa Scanlan, Mallory Hagan, Kira Kazantsev, Cara Mund, Camille Schreier, Madison Marsh, Abby Stockard. (NT) No name (NoHost/172.56.83.125) 14:04:23 01/29/26 Thu Forgot to add Shirley Cothran. (NT) -- No name, 15:04:58 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.87.150) I agree with most of your choices, but no one was beating Cothran that year ( and I had a family member competing) First off, she was drop dead gorgeous in person and had a swimsuit body that would not quit. Gown was gorgeous, talent was minimal but all she would have had to do was recite her ABC's. But most importantly, she had B. Don' Magness and that whole Texas powerhouse organization behind her. This was back when Texas was at it's most powerful. (NT) -- No name, 15:25:23 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I think that, at 21, she already had a master's degree and used this scholarship towards her Ph.D. Many fans loved her talent performance. (NT) -- No name, 16:36:56 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/163.116.145.66) It was entertaining, but that year was overloaded on major talent. Shirley's was probably in the top 3rd of contestants, but not one of the Top 10 best, in my opinion. But like I said, she had the " Miss America" look and no one questioned her win.I met her at a local a few months later, and she put the stun in stunning. However, I don't know what they did to her at her farewell. They turned her into a grandmother. (NT) -- No name, 16:43:08 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Yes, they did. (NT) -- No name, 18:28:39 01/29/26 Thu (c-73-206-250-152.hsd1.tx.comcast.net/73.206.250.152) Shirley came to our local (that was back in the day when locals could actually afford Miss America's booking fee) and I remember getting her autograph. She was gorgeous and so gracious. I felt that she was definitely deserving of the title, especially after the previous year when Rebecca King's win was a major surprise. (NT) -- No name, 23:15:00 02/26/26 Thu (184-97-16-1.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.16.1) As I said above, I also saw her at a local. I was pretty young and it was onstage after the pageant. I wasn't watching where I was going and turned around and ran slam into her. She was wearing the gown she was crowned in. I was mortified that I had just bulldozed Miss America. I was stammering around going " I'm so sorry...." she just smiled the biggest smile and said "That's ok" and kept moving. She was unreal beautiful. In my opinion, one of the 2-3 most facially. beautiful winners ever (NT) -- No name, 14:27:37 02/28/26 Sat (77.sub-174-216-3.myvzw.com/174.216.3.77) I would have much preferred Darlene Compton, Miss Kentucky being chosen Miss America. Darlene sang Mira from Carnival. She was amazingly beautiful, and won Preliminary Talent. (NT) -- No name, 17:05:41 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.84.144) I remember that talent. Beautiful voice. That same song had won talent for Allyn Warner (ME) a few years before. (NT) -- No name, 19:54:04 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) I'm pretty by the book (hence the name hah) when scoring, so that year my choice was definitely California's Lucianne Buchanan because her talent made her a better all-around choice, but at the same time, I'm not surprised to hear this about Shirley. When I think of Miss Americas who chose a gown so perfect for them that the effect was magical, I think of 3 - Kimberly Aiken, Debra Maffett, and Shirley. Breathtaking beauty. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 06:47:58 01/30/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) I really think that worked to the detriment the next year for the 1st runner up, Susan Lawrence, Miss NC. She was another beauty, one of the prettiest faces ever at Miss America, but looked so close to Shirley from the year before, they went with Tawny instead. r (NT) -- No name, 10:57:32 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) If you had ever had even one conversation with Kira prior to Miss America, you would not have been surprised as you would have known her interview would be a 15! She was an incredibly warm and engaging young woman whom you wanted to talk to and get to know. Everyone harps on her win because of talent but i think her talent just proved how relatable she was and she could actually sing (as opposed to others who have made top 5 in the past). I had no problem wth her win at all. She was by far better than the Bollywood dancer from NY and some others who have won Miss America in the past 20 years. (NT) -- No name, 10:42:55 01/31/26 Sat (syn-107-013-036-240.res.spectrum.com/107.13.36.240) Yes Kira is way better than that Bollywood (NT) -- No name, 01:06:37 02/11/26 Wed (184.sub-174-227-81.myvzw.com/174.227.81.184) She's a good broadcaster. She was actually doing the Curling coverage at the olympics and did really well. And she did some really good videos for the Masters You Tube channel (Under the Umbrellas ???) and was a good interviewer covering a variety of people and subjects, which showed her Golf Channel experience was not wasted. I can barely remember the dixie cup talent and the sorority stuff, but in the here and now she's done just fine. (NT) -- No name, 00:16:20 03/05/26 Thu (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) Theresa Scanlan was a complete shock. Terrible onstage. (NT) No name (NoHost/216.125.37.210) 14:20:26 01/29/26 Thu Scanlan won because she was so intelligent and because Kris Jenner was a judge. Kris was used to women that capitalized on sex tapes to get ahead and was thoroughly rocked when she ran across a female that actually had working brain. It was so new to her. (NT) -- No name, 15:51:00 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Kris didn’t judge that year she judged Laura K’s year (NT) -- No name, 19:20:55 01/29/26 Thu (NoHost/172.56.64.164) According to Wikipedia, you are correct. I could have sworn that was the year she judged. Well then, I have no explanation as to how she won, lol Although, a friend of mine and his wife (non pageant people) met her at an Amway convention. This was back when Amway was a national sponsor. They could not stop gushing about how friendly and personable she was to them. Maybe the judges saw a touch of that. (NT) -- No name, 20:01:03 01/29/26 Thu (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Biggest shock ever, along with Mallory the following year. GREAT girls competing both years and such disappointing winners. Both young women had huge personal issues and were definitely unfortunate choices! You can argue and have your own opinions but ask those who know/knew them and read about their personal struggles. (NT) -- No name, 15:31:13 02/01/26 Sun (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) Well when adults are going after an 18 year old for wearing a wig, you'd probably have mental issues too. Now EVERYONE wears wigs and hair pieces. EVERYONE. (NT) -- No name, 15:59:21 02/10/26 Tue (23.29.80.195.bbc.net/23.29.80.195) I disagreed with all three Miss New Yorks that won in a row (NT) -- No name, 20:09:31 02/21/26 Sat (c-76-106-111-48.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.111.48) I LOVED Mallory, because she really was the girl next door. Didn't come from wealth or have everything handed to her. She was a fighter, she worked for where she got, and that's why she won. Just sad that nutter Sam was so obsessed with her. (NT) -- No name, 19:59:43 03/19/26 Thu (74-43-167-151.bng02.marn.oh.frontiernet.net/74.43.167.151) 100% agree on Mallory…she was charismatic and natural and talent was fantastic! (NT) -- No name, 10:37:21 03/21/26 Sat (pool-100-7-66-49.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net/100.7.66.49) I would say Kira (NT) No name (162.sub-174-221-132.myvzw.com/174.221.132.162) 18:54:47 01/29/26 Thu Tawny had a great group of runner ups. Rebecca King also had a strong group of runner ups. An old story about Judy Hieke the 1st RU to King and Miss WI was that her dad was pulled aside and was told she would not win and the powers that be couldn’t let her win because last years winner Terry Meeuwsen was Miss WI. The story was that having back to back state winners nearly bankrupted the pageant in 1960. (NT) No name (ip98-162-249-128.ok.ok.cox.net/98.162.249.128) 23:27:53 01/29/26 Thu For me, Teresa Scanlan would have to be at the top of this list. That must have been one hellacious interview. I would agree that Tawny and Kira were major surprises but certainly not Shirley Cothran. She was one of the most beautiful Miss Americas ever. (NT) -- No name, 23:50:01 01/29/26 Thu (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) I posted Kira but after seeing her on stage l totally get why she won (NT) -- No name, 19:08:58 01/30/26 Fri (56.sub-174-227-89.myvzw.com/174.227.89.56) I've also heard that. (NT) -- No name, 00:30:55 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Interesting to hear your thoughts on Tawny's runner-ups. I personally was super non-aligned with the judging in that pageant. My Top 3 out of the Top 10 all missed the Top 5... Mary Ellen Richardson of Texas, Cynthia Carpenter of Massachusetts, and Ann Schmalzried of Florida. Of the actual Top 5, I'd have gone with Arizona's Stacey Petersen, but she's in the bottom 3 of my personal winners. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 08:21:29 01/30/26 Fri (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Tawny's top 5 was terrific. All were beautiful and talented and well deserved. The remaining 5 semifinalist were 5 of the most bland, boring, semifinalist I have ever seen. With maybe the exception of South Carolina, the rest virtually disappeared on stage. (NT) -- Tawny, 20:26:06 02/26/26 Thu (c-76-106-49-125.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.49.125) NC was Shirley Cothran 2.0 Absolutely gorgeous face. Actually, she was crowned by Shirley Cothran at her local pageant that year. One of the most beautiful Miss NC's. Unfortunately, succumbed to breast cancer a few years ago (NT) -- No name, 14:31:43 02/28/26 Sat (77.sub-174-216-3.myvzw.com/174.216.3.77) Are you referring to MS winning two years in a row, 1958 and 1959? Why would that bankrupt the pageant? (NT) -- No name, 23:49:28 02/10/26 Tue (NoHost/212.15.84.98) Yes, interesting. (NT) -- No name, 14:41:59 02/28/26 Sat (NoHost/212.15.83.62) Because people would think the results are rigged and would not buy sponsors products. (NT) -- No name, 19:43:00 02/28/26 Sat (77.sub-174-216-3.myvzw.com/174.216.3.77) I never understood that reasoning. How would having back to back winners bankrupt the national pageant. Judy Heike should have won that year. She was the epitome of what Miss America looked like at that time. (NT) -- No name, 11:11:52 03/20/26 Fri (184-97-16-1.lcrs.centurylink.net/184.97.16.1) My bottom 10 Miss Americas (1959-2018) based on finals competition are: (1959) Mary Ann Mobley, (1963) Jacquelyn Mayer, (1967) Jane Jayroe, (1970) Pamela Eldred, (1974) Rebecca Ann King, (1976) Tawny Godin, (1996) Shawntel Smith, (2003) Erika Harold, (2015) Kira Kazantsev, (2018) Cara Mund. Mary Anne, Jane, Pamela and Erika had all won prelim awards (so theoretically couldn't have been too 'out of nowhere'), so my answer is my other 6 :) (NT) Pageant Statistician (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) 05:45:38 01/30/26 Fri I had neglected to mention Shawntel Smith in my list of surprises. I had her nowhere near the top. As you may recall, that year the top three were all non-preliminary winners. (NT) -- No name, 09:39:59 01/30/26 Fri (216-24-92-182.unassigned.ntelos.net/216.24.92.182) Mary Ann! Blasphemy! Lol How could she be on your bottom 10? That face! That personality! She was so beautiful and cute. Before my time, but I've seen the tape. I thought she was a slam dunk winner. (NT) -- No name, 11:02:17 01/30/26 Fri (113.sub-174-216-10.myvzw.com/174.216.10.113) Before my time too - the year my mother was born hah. I have no objections to your jovial reply, but one thing I've never understood, is imagine how boring discussion would be if we all had the same lists! For the record, I had Mary Anne 7th in Talent, 3rd in Gown (where my scoring focuses on fashion / fit), 8th in Swim (where my scoring focuses on fitness and figure, which admittedly weren't really the goals back in 1959, which admittedly brought with it a certain level of disjointedness in my scoring. Overall, I had her 7th of the Top 10, and 4th of the Top 5 (ahead of only Iowa, who ironically was her 1RU). So not bad scores by any means, I just had her ranked 51st of the 60 Miss Americas I've seen in competition. For the record, and speaking of scoring disjointedness, I thought the runaway winner of the pageant that year was Anita Bryant... who of course ended up being the literal devil lol. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 00:03:00 02/01/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Anita totally BOMBED her osq and Mary Ann nailed it. Iowa nailed it too but Mary Ann also had the looks. (NT) -- The judges got it right., 18:11:08 02/19/26 Thu (syn-107-147-195-037.biz.spectrum.com/107.147.195.37) I would have loved to have seen Alabama or Mississippi in the top five over OK and CA, even Kansas. Wasn't Kansas a double preliminary winner? (NT) -- No name, 10:35:15 01/31/26 Sat (NoHost/212.15.84.241) I agree with you. I thought CA / AR / OR deserved their spots in the Top 5, and I would have replaced IL and OK with KS and AL. I did have IL very close to the Top 5 in my own scoring though, so in reality, the only true objection I had in the Top 5 was the winner herself. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 00:10:18 02/01/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Indeed, I have her dead last - lower than even Erika Harold. Shawntel is a gorgeous lady, but brought absolutely nothing of note in on-stage competition. But I also don't buy into the 'She won because of the Oklahoma City bombing' conspiracy theory, which always felt a little too on the nose. Has her interview ever been released? It likely came up in her Interview and may have gotten her some extra points, but other than that, why would anyone put their integrity / reputation on the line to fix a win for a random lady who happened to be from a state that was having a hard year? Doesn't make much sense. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 00:08:00 02/01/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) It was very justified, to me, that Tawny Godin won Miss America. She stood out with her All-American persona. Her original piano composition was a rarity. She later said it wasn't as good as she hoped, or something similar. But esteemed composer, Henry Mancini told her that he watched her on Miss America and that she deserved the win. (NT) -- no name, 23:24:37 01/30/26 Fri (226.sub-97-190-55.myvzw.com/97.190.55.226) This is an earnest question - what do you mean by 'All-American persona'? I love Tawny and am THRILLED that we have a liberal arts girl as a Miss America winner, but she was a nerdy weirdo who spoke like a newscaster lol. I also personally hate original piano compositions, because how on earth would I know if you're performing something well if the piece doesn't formally exist? lol. Though a Henry Mancini testimonial is a big deal! (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 00:12:48 02/01/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) And he would be a better judge than any of us. Also, he was as American as one could be. He recognized that Tawny was indeed All-American. (NT) -- All American was a popular term to describe a wholesome celebrity at that time period., 17:28:58 02/01/26 Sun (226.sub-97-190-55.myvzw.com/97.190.55.226) What surprising life, career we never would have expected after competing at Miss America? -- No name, 21:58:49 02/16/26 Mon (syn-067-250-082-140.res.spectrum.com/67.250.82.140) You know when something is played well because you are moved by it. You don't need to hear it beforehand to know a quality performance when you see one. (NT) -- No name, 15:35:28 02/18/26 Wed (syn-174-100-040-048.res.spectrum.com/174.100.40.48) Tawny's piano composition was technically very easy. (NT) -- No name, 07:27:47 02/28/26 Sat (NoHost/172.56.80.0) Maybe that's why she wasn't so satisfied with her original composition but it sure must have boosted her ego when Henry Mancini, a renowned musician told her he watched and listened to her and he approved. (NT) -- no name, 01:13:04 03/11/26 Wed (3.sub-97-170-106.myvzw.com/97.170.106.3) Cara 100% (NT) No name (NoHost/128.163.239.165) 13:15:30 01/30/26 Fri Cara Mund was totally a SHOCK! Admittedly a weak year for outstanding contestants but she was a jaw dropping pick for sure. A smart girl but no charism, talent or personality. (NT) -- No name, 15:36:38 02/01/26 Sun (c-73-14-141-197.hsd1.co.comcast.net/73.14.141.197) 2011 Arkansas lost to a Teenager (NT) No name (NoHost/172.58.244.222) 13:33:09 02/02/26 Mon Tawny was a HUGE shocker for me. I exclaimed, "WHO??"" when Bert Parks announced her. DeFord wrote an article for Seventeen Magazine explaining her win (which happened in interview). (NT) This chapter might've been included to his updated There She Is shortly thereafter. (syn-104-231-146-068.res.spectrum.com/104.231.146.68) 16:50:58 02/10/26 Tue I got Tawny's win. She was a lovely 19 year old and she looked even more beautiful a year later when she gave up her crown. My Mom commented when she came out to give up her crown she was prettier then anyone else on that stage. I also her 10 ten was just about the most blandest, boring (with the exception of North Carolina and California) of all time. But Tawny was a standout. (NT) -- me, 17:24:53 02/11/26 Wed (c-76-106-49-125.hsd1.md.comcast.net/76.106.49.125) The 75th Anniversary in 1995 wasnt a strong group whatsoever . The judges clearly made up their minds about Shawntel from the start. She was called first which means the judges saw her first I expected Alabama to at least make top 5 but for some reason she didnt (NT) No name (NoHost/169.156.15.207) 13:45:26 02/11/26 Wed I personally rated Shawntel's version of "Woman in the Moon" as okay at MA. (NT) -- Maybe it was because I didn't like the tune., 02:14:36 02/12/26 Thu (226.sub-97-190-55.myvzw.com/97.190.55.226) For me the answer is: Erika Harold, Miss America 2003 and Deidre Downs, Miss America 2005 (NT) No name (NoHost/172.59.74.250) 12:27:06 02/18/26 Wed Deidre didn't surprise me as much as Erika. Deidre didn't have a great talent but she was strong in swimsuit and evening wear, and her intelligence was very evident when she spoke. Harold was total interview queen and was not strong in any other areas of competition. (NT) -- No name, 14:15:11 02/18/26 Wed (NoHost/148.59.75.51) If anyone watched Deidre’s interview then you’ll know that’s where it was over and done no matter who did what onstage. They needed substance after Dunlap and Deidre as the future doctor had it. (NT) -- No name, 06:09:37 02/20/26 Fri (c-73-207-113-227.hsd1.ga.comcast.net/73.207.113.227) I never minded Deirdre. She was an interview queen, sure, but also quite strikingly beautiful, and I always appreciated her risk-taking gown. Talent wasn't great but certainly not the worst we've ever heard. Overall, interview got her the crown, but she was no slouch overall. (NT) -- Pageant Statistician, 18:50:45 03/01/26 Sun (99-74-180-249.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/99.74.180.249) Kira Kazantsev. She was a complete joke. Not pretty, no talent. Very short. (NT) No name (c-73-90-200-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/73.90.200.19) 20:45:09 02/20/26 Fri Kira was not a joke She is one of the most beautiful Miss Americas ever (NT) -- No name, 13:53:26 02/28/26 Sat (182.sub-174-221-153.myvzw.com/174.221.153.182) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but Kira didn't win bc of hers. (NT) -- No name, 20:03:21 03/19/26 Thu (74-43-167-151.bng02.marn.oh.frontiernet.net/74.43.167.151) You know what- she's pretty, but the hazing stuff that came out about her totally turned me off from her. (NT) -- Hate a mean girl, 20:06:47 03/19/26 Thu (74-43-167-151.bng02.marn.oh.frontiernet.net/74.43.167.151) Vanessa Williams and Susan Akin for shockers for everyone. My faves would be Erika Harold, Teresa Scanlan and Cara Mund. Those 3 were easy to pick. (NT) No name (digijmres-171-243-225-173.digicelbroadband.com/173.225.243.171) 08:41:47 02/21/26 Sat Where did you graduate? I didn't realize they had a sarcasm program, lol. However, in regard to the three that you mentioned....there is a reason for all 3 to have one. I know one of Harold's fellow competitors. She said it was not no surprise to the contestants that year that Harold won. She said that just in casual conversation, you could tell that Harold was smart as a whip and her college credentials didn't hurt either. Scanlon had a lot of pre pageant publicity in regard to her damaged hair and wearing a wig. Plus, she was abnormally intelligent for a 17 year old. Ivy league school was also a factor for Mund. Plus, all 3 were attractive, passable talents, and most importantly extreme intelligence. (NT) -- No name, 14:50:11 02/21/26 Sat (247.sub-174-238-98.myvzw.com/174.238.98.247) Cir: won (NT) -- No name, 14:50:41 02/21/26 Sat (247.sub-174-238-98.myvzw.com/174.238.98.247) Well written (NT) -- No name, 17:16:28 02/21/26 Sat (NoHost/172.56.3.104) Scanlan didn’t reveal her struggles with her hair until mid way through her year. I remember her being pretty bashed on this board for the wigs and she finally decided to come out and talk about it. She won fair and square due to her intelligence and talent and such a young age. (NT) -- No name, 05:13:55 02/27/26 Fri (NoHost/172.58.2.193) Wasn't the promo video she did with that wig organization released after she won Miss NE and prior to Miss A? I thought I recall it going around before her national win. She looked amazing in it, too! (NT) -- No name, 14:46:48 02/27/26 Fri (syn-076-176-242-118.res.spectrum.com/76.176.242.118) Yes, they did. That was when I first noticed her.I never cared at all for her styling, especially in Evening Gown. It looked like an old ill fitting wedding dress and the wig looked to heavy. But there was no denying that she was a whiz kid. I was just disappointed in the fact that she continued to compete after Miss America. I felt it brought down the title, as you would think that once you reached the title of Miss America, that you are somewhat immortalized in Pageant History. Plus, she did it in World USA or America or whatever they call it now. That pageant has such a fly by night history that no one even knows who owns it from year to year. But unfortunately now, Miss America is in the same boat, lol. (NT) -- No name, 15:45:23 02/27/26 Fri (77.sub-174-216-3.myvzw.com/174.216.3.77) She was 17 years old when she won with her whole life ahead of her if she wanted to do another pageant she had the right to. Miss America was also a terrible year and experience for her as she has openly spoke about so I dont blame her for wanting a do over. (NT) -- No name, 10:42:23 02/28/26 Sat (NoHost/172.58.2.193) Sher was not only young, but had been homeschooled until senior year. given the dynamic she was operating under, I think it's amazing she did as well as she did. Dysfunction is one thing, and quite another when mixed in with all the bad mojo of the peak Sam Haskell era. I think she's done an admirable job of creating a much deserved happy life. I never once heard a case of her being mean to anyone, and handled the crown publicly in a way that was very professional for her age and relatively sheltered upbringing. There was nothing wrong with her trying another system , and I think that was all about moving on from competing without all the bad memories. Some people were very harsh towards her as a human being, and forgot she was still someone's teenage daughter online. There's a gap between legitimate criticisms and snark. (NT) -- No name, 15:44:38 02/28/26 Sat (133-111-106-149.in-addr.arpa.pulsefiber.org/149.106.111.133) Well, she did carry on a secret relationship with the boyfriend/fiance her class "sister". There was a huge rift after that time, and we all saw how that turned out. I think after years of hard lessons and maturity, there has been some healing. But I wouldn't classify TS as an angel. (NT) -- No name, 16:52:42 02/28/26 Sat (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) Never knew of this. She had a relationship with a boyfriend of someone who competed at Miss America with her? (NT) -- No name, 23:08:48 02/28/26 Sat (NoHost/172.58.2.193) Yes. The car salesman who fathered her kid. (NT) -- No name, 23:24:30 02/28/26 Sat (syn-075-082-032-207.res.spectrum.com/75.82.32.207) At the time she won she was involved in an interracial relationship with some other guy. I remember wondering if MAO was going to get bent out of shape over that. So, did she throw him over for Mr. Car Dealership Guy? Wasn't he the boyfriend of that year's Miss CT. What happened after that? (NT) -- No name, 00:00:07 03/01/26 Sun (77.sub-174-216-3.myvzw.com/174.216.3.77) I remember this and always wondered how the class handled it. This was in the day and age of FB and social media so every class has their own FB group and text group and all that. So how did the class handle the conflict and have they since healed? I imagine it's hard when T had a child with the man (NT) -- No name, 13:20:44 03/01/26 Sun (pool-72-74-53-82.bstnma.fios.verizon.net/72.74.53.82) Erika Harold and Kira Kazantsev. (NT) No name (c-73-90-200-19.hsd1.ca.comcast.net/73.90.200.19) 17:36:22 03/06/26 Fri Is there a website page (I thought I saw once a couple years ago during COVID when someone was bored with themselves) that showed official crown portraits of all Miss America winners from 1921 to 2021---perhaps due to the 100th year of Miss America celebrations. Be nice to see that again--all of them shown at once vs individual photos. (NoHost/128.104.145.214) 14:27:18 03/19/26 Thu I remember seeing that as well----someone put a lot of time on that collage of photos of past Miss America winners, however I do not believe it was associated or placed on the national MAO pageant website or any state MAO website. -- Any here recall when and where that was on the internet? Post link here to see again., 20:32:50 03/22/26 Sun (50.93.217-17.restechservices.net/50.93.217.17)