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It has often been said that forced nudity on the boys could curb the boys’ misbehavior, especially misbehavior toward the girls.
This could be because the boys then did not want to be noticed by the girls. Alex (2018, Voy 223876) wrote, “When a few girls were around us I tried to turn the front part in an opposite direction.”
It could also be because the boys regarded their nudity as humiliating. Veteran assistant swim coach Lena (2017, dead link) wrote, “They were nice and did not have so much attitude as boys have now sometimes.”
It could also be because the boys regarded their nudity as a sign of immaturity. Joe (2019, Voy 223876) wrote that “our bare bottoms could always be swatted. We were still ‘little boys’ who needed to learn how to behave and needed more care.”
However, in the case of high school swim meets, the boys might have seen the institution as a mating ritual, or at least a rehearsal for a mating ritual, and believed that a feeling of reverence was in order.
Or, if you hold a naturalistic philosophy, you may contend that the boys are returning to the blissful state which Nature intended.
But are NM’s always agreeable in the presence of CF’s? I have found a few exceptions:
---A negative reaction to boys’ nudity from the girls could encourage teasing.
Curious (2021, Voy 206801) remembers a 12-year-old boy “who would often take out his penis and shake it in front of the girls to tease them.”
----The question could depend on the cultural standards of modesty.
If you call up some pictures of the Tukano tribe of Colombia, you may find that the children are not exactly nude but not exactly bundled up.
Reichel-Dolmatoff & Reichel-Dolmatoff (1961: 96) note “a certain tendency to exhibitionism” in 2- to 5-year-old boys of the Tukano tribe of Colombia. The boys hold contests to see who can urinate the farthest. They also tease girls by trying to urinate on the girls’ clothes.
----A game could be set with CF’s and NM’s on each side.
In 2017, I went on the 202532 forum with the same question which I am asking now. B. Williams responded that the boys in his community did not feel self-conscious:
“We never even thought about the girls being around, we primarily focused on having fun and being naked was part of the fun.”
The boys and the girls did not segregate themselves:
“I remember playing games in the pool with them. They'd climb up and sit on our shoulders and each boy/girl team tried to unbalance the other team.”
The boys even teased the girls:
“We'd sneak up from behind them and dunk them.”
----United we stand, divided we fall.
Lenora Jones (n. d.) grew up in the 1950’s in rural North Carolina. She did not have a brother, so she requested instruction from the local skinny-dippers. When she asked about the purpose of the testicles, the boys at first ridiculed her for not already knowing, but later explained.
The boys were not bothered by Lenora’s presence. She recalled, “In fact, some would stand right in front of me and not even turn around as they urinated, wherein I'd watch the entire spectacle in amazement.”
The boys also showed contempt toward Lenora’s friends for wearing swim suits. They tried to persuade the girls to take off their suits, but to no avail.
Now let’s turn it around and talk about CMNF instead of CFNM:
After junior high baseball practice, the coach asked Joseph (2023, Voy 206801) to take the bases to the equipment room. The only route to the equipment room was through the girls’ locker room. He was unabashedly watched by the cheerleaders, who were fresh out of the shower.
All twelve cheerleaders rushed to Joseph’s aid when he slipped and fell. Some of the girls helped him back up while some helped him gather up the bases, “not even concerned about their nudity.”
Here's another anecdote:
When Patrick (2023, Voy 206801) attended high school, he was so girl-shy that he could not even talk to a girl without stuttering. “I think girls thought I was kind of cute, because of how harmless I was to them.”
One day during the volleyball season, Patrick stayed after school to tend to some scholastic matters. A girl came to his desk and requested help. When the two neared the girls’ locker room door, another girl came out and joined the first girl in pushing him inside.
There he was greeted by a very saturated, very feminine, and very underclad volleyball team. “Don’t be shy.” “Do you like what you see?”
Patrick concludes, “They knew I was not a threat so they felt empowered.”
So I ask Sean, Anon, Stevem552001, Cal, Tor, Scamptoo, Asher, and any other veteran NM’s: do you remember ever threatening the CF’s in any way?
And I ask Nathalie, Angela, and any other veteran CF’s: do you remember any NM’s ever threatening you in any way?
Jones, L. n. d. Early days at Deep Bottom Hole, Wallace, North Carolina.
https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home
Reichel-Dolmatoff, G. & Reichel-Dolmatoff, A. 1961. The people of Aritama. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. Cited in Janssen, D. F. 2002. Growing up sexually. Volume I: World Reference Atlas. Interim report. Amsterdam.
http://www.sexarchive.info/GESUND/ARCHIV/GUS/SOUTHAMERICAOLD.HTM#_Contents_of_Section
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