It's much easier to recruit without scholarships at Penn, Princeton, Harvard, etc. because those coaches can use the "panache" and name of those elite schools to sell. Fordham can't. It's a very, very difficult recruit for our coaches. We've had one football coach in 18 years that recruited well without scholarships and the verdict is still out on our current coach. It'll be an uneven ride if we stay in the PL - not a good thing. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: It's much easier to recruit without scholarships at Penn, Princeton, Harvard, etc. because those coaches can use the "panache" and name of those elite schools to sell. Fordham can't. It's a very, very difficult recruit for our coaches. We've had one football coach in 18 years that recruited well without scholarships and the verdict is still out on our current coach. It'll be an uneven ride if we stay in the PL - not a good thing.

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Date Posted: 13:59:56 11/11/04 Thu
In reply to: An Old Coach 's message, "Thats the way it goes with recruiting. Some guys are great, others aren't. Penn, Princeton, Harvard, Lehigh and Colgate always seem to have coaches who can recruit without scholarships. I think our success over that past four years shows we can do it too. I don't think need based aid is a failure at all." on 12:43:26 11/11/04 Thu

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Guys who want to come to Fordham and play good football on the level we sponsor it will come. If they are coming just because they are getting a football scholarship, it isn't that important. We have and will continue to succeed in the PL. We need a level playing field with schedule and facilities and a coach who can recruit. (NT) An Old Coach 17:47:38 11/11/04 Thu

If you get a need-based aid offer to play football at Colgate, Lehigh, Penn, Harvard, or another Ivy school and Fordham, where are you going? Obviously you're not an NFL prospect so you go to Colgate or the Ivy school, with very few exceptions. We will need a phenomenal coach to beat those odds. Will every coach we have be phenomenal? Of course not. It'll be a long, bumpy ride and it's not worth the frustration of watching and experiencing it. Full scholarship 1-AA football is the way to go. That's why you don't get it. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:13:34 11/11/04 Thu

I get it just fine. According to your theory, scholarships will negate every factor it takes to have a winning program. Every coach we ever higher again should win every year, according to your statement. That's absurd. There are dozens of unsuccessful scholarship programs. Scholarships put you in a different league, arguably higher quality. They don't guaranteer any kind of success. Dream on. Doesn't sound like this president is going in that direction. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:17:30 11/12/04 Fri

My prior post describes the essence of the problem with a need-based aid program. To have a consistently successful program in the long haul, we need full scholarship 1-AA football. This President has an open mind and is pragmatic, which is what counts. It won't happen overnight, but we'll see what the future brings. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:24:17 11/12/04 Fri