• Profit in excess of $3 million ??? Where has that ever been reported ? (NT) -- whm, 09:44:41 12/26/04 Sun
  • I'm sorry. I meant revenues in excess of $3 million. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 10:06:13 12/26/04 Sun
    • Actually, the whole post seems to have become garbled. Let me try it again: Given this number is far more modest than the profit numbers we've seen reported, the revenue figures stated in some places as being in excess of $3 million (which counts financial aid awarded to football players as revenue to the athletic department), are probably not being used in this accounting. My guess is that this figure does not count financial aid awarded as revenue. Here's the story: (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 10:49:23 12/26/04 Sun
      • you dolt, the $3million figure refers to expenses not revenues, (NT) -- Frank's Brain, 12:12:59 12/26/04 Sun
        • Before you start calling people dolts, you ought to do a little fact checking. The Chronicle of Higher Education, when reporting its gender equity findings, reported Fordham's football revenues as over $3.2 million by including aid to football player as revenue to the athletic department. That's a fact. You ought to get your facts straight before making a comment like this, because nothing looks more foolish than being flat-out wrong while calling people names. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 13:54:37 12/26/04 Sun
          • First you called it profits you buffoon. You have no clue what you are writing about and you never played football so leave the fact checking up to the guys that have a clue like Ramman and Rambacker. If you have some concrete data sources with references then wuote them, correctly the first time, with suppporting data , otherwise you are just another one of these patsies posting gibberish on a daily basis., (NT) -- Frank's Brain, 13:58:36 12/26/04 Sun
            • Ah, too bad, you were proven wrong, and instead of admitting your error, you get even nastier. When someone pointed out my error, I acknowleged it, and corrected what I wrote to reflect what I was trying to say. Yes, you are definitely Frank's Brain. Now move on. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 14:16:02 12/26/04 Sun
              • Proven wrong?? Nobody EVER said Fordham posted $3M in profits !!!!!!!!!!!!! That was your post you moron. Plus you indicate in your post that aid is "not" part of revenue??? You a re all over the map with this post., Look at the responses to you. You are contradicting your own post ever time that you respond, please take remedial reading and re-read your post above. Just like you tried to cut JoeDete on hoops board only to be shot down taht you can not even decipher military time. You are a fool. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, 14:21:23 12/26/04 Sun
                • I already acknowledged I said profits when I meant revenues in my first post. And what does my friendly banter with JoDete on the basketball board have to do with this? And you comment about "remedial" writing skills, when you can't even go one sentence without spelling or grammatical errors? Go back to your AFF board and write another poem in moronic pentameter. And by the way, you still have not acknowledged that you were wrong about the Chronicle of Higher Education including financial aid to football players as revenue to the athletic department, which is what started your hissy fit. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 14:35:36 12/26/04 Sun
                • I wouldn't bother with these AFF idiots, Joe. They are a disgrace to the university. Their identities are known to the university's highest administrators, who consider their board -- with its crass language and poor writing -- to be a major embarassment for the university. Anyone who posts an article here suggesting that the Fordham football team makes money is going to take ad hominem hits from these dopes. You wonder how they got through Fordham being so juvenile and dim witted. (NT) -- SJ, 19:01:56 12/26/04 Sun
                • Frank's Brain, he's right. The Chronicle of Higher Education did count as revenue to the football program financial aid awarded to the football players. The number reported as revenue was more than $3 million. You really ought to keep quiet if you don't understand what is being said. Everytime you AFF guys post here, you have to call people names, even when you are wrong. (NT) -- JD'87, 17:29:47 12/27/04 Mon
                  • "My guess is that this figure does not count financial aid as revenue" that was the quote from Joltin' Joe, which, is 100% WRONG. Do you even know how to read? These are simple articles and accounting reports that do not require you knuckle dragging buffoons to try and intrepret without help of someone with a brain. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, 14:17:10 12/28/04 Tue
                    • Frank's Brain, fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Just shut up already. You have no idea what you're talking about. (NT) -- JD'87, 16:43:22 12/28/04 Tue
• My favorite quote of the article "Once you get past the coach, which is the most important aspect, we focus on the facilities," Kissell said. "Because a coach can leave, but he can't take the building or stadium with him." (NT) -- Rammed, 10:56:18 12/26/04 Sun
  • 4,000 fans a game at 10 bucks a ticket with no tv contract is not going to make any money. Where on earth did this writer get these figures? Most accounting would not consider donations as going towards "profits" at a not for profit insitution. Would be interesting to see the source of this data. (NT) -- HR Block, 13:49:01 12/26/04 Sun
    • Whether it is legitimate accounting to include financial aid to football players as revenue to the athletic department was a subject on this board about six months ago, when the Chronicle of Higher Education issued its last report. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 13:58:33 12/26/04 Sun
    • BTW, I'd guess that you could reflect a profit by not counting aid to football players as an athletic department expense, and expense that as a general cost to the university, along with all other aid given to students. Then you take your $400,000 or so in ticket sales, add in donations, and subtract costs like travel and recruiting. Using that method, your football program may show a profit. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 15:29:13 12/26/04 Sun
      • Aid Accounting -- FC78, 23:36:53 12/26/04 Sun
        • Yes, I think. As stated, the story doesn't explain how a profit is realized. Also, if this cost were absorped by the athletic department, it would have Title IX implications for the department. When the Chronicle of Higher Education published its figure of $3.2 in revenue about six months ago, we discussed whether it was legitimate to include financial aid to players, and other university aid to the program, as revenue. It then backed out as an expense to the athletic department the cost of aid to students, and reflected the difference between the two as part of the profit to the program. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 00:09:05 12/27/04 Mon
        • I'd add only that it doesn't make you an AFF crazy to recognize that the accountings reflecting a profit for the football program are questionable, because they don't take into account financial aid awarded to the football players as a football-related expense. That's why I noted that the Enquirer story didn't explain how this "profit" was realized. The poster above was more interested in calling people names than trying to comprehend what was being said. I support football, but I think it's misleading to tout that its a money-maker for the school. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 07:50:54 12/27/04 Mon
          • The Chronicle doesn't use the sharpest pencil in the world when they publish reports like these. They take the numbers as submitted by schools or conferences but don't explain how they are arrived at. I'm not sure how scholarships can be defined as income in this case. I do know that financial contributions to the school are not considered "profits" by CASE, which publishes standards and practices for the higher ed fundraising. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 10:04:53 12/27/04 Mon
• The $173,667 “profit” reported in the Cincinnati Enquirer article is simply football revenues ($3,429,306) reported by Fordham to the U.S. Department of Education minus the expenses it reported for football ($3,255,639). i.e., $3,429,306 – $3,255,639 = $173,667. Total “revenues” include sales of tickets, programs and media guides, concessions, Gridiron Club donations, etc. as well as institutional support for the program (i.e., financial aid awarded to the athletes, etc.). (NT) -- ramMan, 10:37:15 12/30/04 Thu

A while back a former Ram (Rob Loh?) had inquired on this board if anyone had an extra copy of the CD "Football Returns to Fordham".
I got hold of an extra copy this weekend so if you're still interested, shoot me an e-mail.

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• Thanks, I actually received a copy in the mail from the football office. Not sure if they sent it out to all former players or just the more recent ones. Thanks though for the heads up. (NT) -- Rob Loh, 11:41:09 12/29/04 Wed
  • Glad to hear you got a copy. A fan of a rival team is interested in the CD; however, I’d rather give to a Fordham fan. If anyone’s interested, e-mail me by the end of the week. (NT) -- ramMan, 08:38:05 12/30/04 Thu

• Re: Profits I guess you must be unaware that Arthur Andersen was involved in an accounting scandal and the company was disbanded (NT) -- Iona Valedictorian, 15:49:01 12/27/04 Mon
  • My guess is that he was acutely aware of that, and made this comment as a joke. This comment is amusing to a thinking man, but I guess you didn't get it. :( (NT) -- Manhattan Valedictorian, 16:35:17 12/27/04 Mon
    • I think the joke is on you, friend. "Iona Valedictorian" has his tongue firmly in his cheek. Catch on. (NT) -- Jerome, 21:21:44 12/27/04 Mon
  • If they couldn't count then Arthur Andersen must have been run by an Iona grad. (NT) -- Liquidate me!, 19:44:40 12/27/04 Mon
    • Anderson was headed by a Fairfield alum when it fell into the tank. (NT) -- Ramses, 22:35:21 12/27/04 Mon
• Arthur Anderson did an outstanding job of not only cleaning up the books in the Boston Archdiocese, but also absolving the perverts involved. I hold them in the highest regard. (NT) -- Cardinal Law, 20:41:52 12/27/04 Mon

Army will play New Hampshire on 9/3/05 and UMass on 11/12/05.

Click here for the 2005 Army football schedule.

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• Also, Maine will play Nebraska in 2005 and is in talks with Boston College for a game in 2006 or 2007. (NT) -- ramMan, 18:03:21 12/17/04 Fri
  • I thought those were only "cow colleges" that couldn't get out of their own way? Guess not. Here's the bottom line: we need to join the A-10/CAA and start giving full scholarships asap or else we'll be playing Marist and Albany OOC for the next 20 years. Let's just get it done. It's where we belong. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:30:01 12/17/04 Fri
    • James Madison won the I-AA National Championship tonight by beating Montana, 31-21. The game was broadcast on ESPN2. This is the second year in a row an A-10 team has won the championship. Delaware won it last year. (NT) -- ramMan, 23:17:49 12/17/04 Fri
      • That's a major statement about A-10 Football right there. The best 1-AA football league in the country. That could be us in a few years. Anybody know what James Madison's academic standing is? Average SAT's, etc.? (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:09:14 12/18/04 Sat
        • James Madison is a public school (not "land grant", however -- *LOL*) with a total undergraduate enrollment of 14,000+. According to the Princeton Review, its Average SAT is 1162 (Fordham 1212) and its Admissions Selectivity Rating is 93 (Fordham 94). (NT) -- ramMan, 12:38:33 12/18/04 Sat
          • The commonwealth of VA's public university system is a good one. In addition to UVA the system is full of good schools like JMU. When I lived in DC, I worked w/ several JMU grads -- all bright. Also know a guy who used to teach finance there. If they employ people like this guy as professors, then they're doing something right. (NT) -- bfg, 18:10:25 12/18/04 Sat
    • Not only play those schools, but play those schools and spend millions to do it. If we are going to spend millions let's at least make it exciting. We belong in the A-10 for football. (NT) -- JóDete93, 03:30:29 12/19/04 Sun
      • There may be a certain inevitability to this move. It's likely to happen, not because of any action on the part of Fordham, but because of the looming CAA/A-10 split, and the PL's refusal to consider athletic scholarships for football. Once the CAA teams leave the A-10, The A-10 is going to need us, and it's likely we will capitulate. If we are to go I-AA scholarship, we have to be in the A-10. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 07:50:03 12/19/04 Sun
• CUDDA, WUDDA, SHUDDA--Fordham can not pass up the opportunity to schedule Army. New Hampshire and Massachusetts will both be victorious. Fr. McShane, what are we waiting for? (NT) -- Ram It '66, 22:09:44 12/17/04 Fri
  • the enemies within are preventing me from scheduling (NT) -- flank mcsteak, 10:39:41 12/18/04 Sat
• Army will lose to both of those schools and yes, Fordham would defeat Army as well. Ultimately I think the PL will allow scholarships in the true sense since it already gives out de facto scholarships and you Fordham guys can then join the A-10. Sadly, I don't think it will help FU at all though from a fan perspective since FU is still a BBall school. (NT) -- LUHawker, 16:09:23 12/27/04 Mon

• JCC, either I wasn't clear or you misunderstood what I wrote (more inside) -- DamnRam, 23:01:58 12/21/04 Tue
  • Leading with a recreation center as phase 1 isn't a good idea. Leading with a new Campus Center(already a given) coupled with a convocations center with complementary multiple functions serving students/alums/faculty is sound strategy. A well-conceived convocations center serving the entire university is a logical next step for Fordham after a Science Center is planned. By the way, I'm glad you've embraced my original premise from 2 years ago that an integrated capital project including a new Campus Center, Convocations Center, Recreation Complex & Football Stadium is the way to go. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:01:46 12/22/04 Wed
    • Re: Leading with a recreation center as phase 1 isn't a good idea. Leading with a new Campus Center(already a given) coupled with a convocations center with complementary multiple functions serving students/alums/faculty is sound strategy. A well-conceived convocations center serving the entire university is a logical next step for Fordham after a Science Center is planned. By the way, I'm glad you've embraced my original premise from 2 years ago that an integrated capital project including a new Campus Center, Convocations Center, Recreation Complex & Football Stadium is the way to go. -- DamnRam, 16:36:48 12/24/04 Fri
• Re: New Facilities Needed -- xxx, 07:41:08 12/22/04 Wed
  • Some of the Hill recruits (more inside) -- DR, 10:09:05 12/22/04 Wed

• Patriot League well represented? Say what? A-10 got 4(5?) teams into the playoffs and half of the semi final teams were A-10. We need to join that league NOW!!!!!! (NT) -- GridMan, 10:34:19 12/19/04 Sun
• Two teams from a small non-scholarship conference is outstanding. Are you kidding? Colgate played in the 1AA final last year. I'd say the PL is more than representative at this point. We just have to get the bottom feeders, HC and georgetown to commit or get out. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 10:08:40 12/20/04 Mon
  • What exactly do you want HC and GT to do that they're not doing already? HC has set up some athletic booster groups, and GT is spending a tidy sum to build a new facility. Phrases such as "step up" or "make the commitment" sound good but have no meaning without some recommended action or standard to be met. (NT) -- DamnRam, 10:44:48 12/20/04 Mon
  • As long as Fordham plays in the regional, smallish non-scholarship Patriot League in football, we will be mired in obscure mediocrity. Fordham, Holy Cross and Georgetown should drop this hopeless charade and join the A-10/CAA with full schollies. That will solve many problems for those three programs. (NT) -- Rambacker, 15:53:07 12/20/04 Mon
    • But would HC and GT be prepared to spend what it takes to compete in all the other sports besides football? Would they make the admissions concessions that might be necessary? Lots of unanswered questions that would have major consequences. (NT) -- DamnRam, 16:22:26 12/20/04 Mon
      • HC and Georgetown should either join the MAAC or drop it. Their commitment to football is unexceptable. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 17:54:16 12/20/04 Mon
        • You're not answering the question. What does it mean for them to "make the commitment"? What specifically do you want them to do to produce the winning teams that they're not doing already? (NT) -- DamnRam, 23:05:27 12/21/04 Tue
      • Fordham, Holy Cross and Georgetown need to make a decision on football. Do they want an expensive, invisible no-impact program or one that serves the objectives of these schools? Either do it right, or get out of it. (NT) -- Rambacker, 23:13:34 12/20/04 Mon
        • You mean you'd rather drop football than stay in the PL? Kind of throwing the baby out with the water, no? I don't think any decision Fordham makes is tied in any way to Georgetown or HC. I could care less about them. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 09:13:30 12/21/04 Tue
          • I do not advocate dropping football if we don't move to full scholarship 1-AA. In fact we are currently "out" of college football for all practical purposes, being in the essentially invisible Patriot League. Unlike you, I, like many others, would like to see Fordham compete in a full scholarship 1-AA football league with our Jesuit brethren, Georgetown and Holy Cross. (NT) -- Rambacker, 11:19:54 12/21/04 Tue
            • Re: Respectfully, I believe that overstates it a bit, Rambacker; and Fordham's athletic administration has not helped itself by scheduling OOC opponents that, on their best days, could not beat Delbarton, Don Bosco or Bergen Catholic. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 19:22:33 12/21/04 Tue
              • Are they available? Let's see if we can get them on the sked too. (NT) -- Frank's Brain, 19:44:19 12/21/04 Tue
            • I'd like to see peace in the middle east as well. There are somethings that we have no control over, such as the money that HC and georgetown spend on football. I'm sure coach foley or some of the players would like your insight into the quality of football. Perhaps at the start of practice in August you should go down to the field and tell them that their level of football esentially leaves them "out " of college ball. I want to be there so let me know. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:24:02 12/21/04 Tue
              • That kind of petty, macho, confrontational statement lowers you to the level of Minion and the other AFF'ers. Stating an opinion on this board as to where one believes Fordham should play it's football is not an insult to current Fordham football players. In fact, several former players have posted here that they agree that we should move to the A-10 in football. Again, you have shown your true colors by lowering yourself into the gutter with cheap, classless comments because you have run out of your typical vague and weak arguments against moving our program to full scholarship 1-AA football. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:41:03 12/21/04 Tue
                • Thanks for the lecture. I just quoted what you said, that we were basiclally "out" of college football. I would think the coaches and players may take exception to that. I merely suggested you share that opinion with them. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 13:51:57 12/22/04 Wed
                  • It's clear what your intention was with your post. Due to the fact that you don't have the intellectual capability to present a sound argument against going 1-AA scholarship in football, you have again resorted to a gutter-level comment that is quite frankly an embarrassment to those of us who value our Fordham education. Are you next going to invite me to join you in the parking lot for a high school brawl dance? Pathetic. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:16:06 12/22/04 Wed
                    • Re: Come on, fellows, it's Christmas. Let's put our differences aside for a couple days. For myself, I greatly enjoy participating on this board, (which is far and away the best PL board) and the passion which you all bring to it underscores the pride and spirit which you have for Fordham. She is fortunate to have you as graduates and/or supporters. I look forward to the coming year and continued growth and success for FU athletics. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 10:49:50 12/23/04 Thu
                      • The best to you for the holiday season and 2005. Let's hope in '05 we see a change to a quality of leadership in athletics that matches our passion and pride. (NT) -- Rambacker, 11:54:04 12/23/04 Thu
                    • I merely suggested if you feel so passionately that we are essentially "out" of college football, tell the team that. They may agree with you and say,"Rambacker is right, playing in the PL is beneath us so why bother"? On that note, kick back and enjoy an eggnog on this wonderful day before Christmas. (NT) -- An OldCoach, 07:47:03 12/24/04 Fri
                      • Have a Merry Christmas and my wish for you in '05 is that you can develop a Div. 1 mentality. No more Div. 3 stuff. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:40:50 12/24/04 Fri
                        • That is an excellent wish for the new year. Perhaps Santa will bring us an administration with a plan that will allow that. As soon as he does, I'm all on board. Until he does, in the words of parcells, "we are what our record says we are." (NT) -- An Old Coach, 11:59:13 12/24/04 Fri

• You'll find great support for your position in an ESPN article that labels ND a "football factory." It's pretty obvious that the writer thinks ND at root is not a university. Here's the link: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=1935406 (NT) -- Drag-less, 12:47:08 12/01/04 Wed
• Getting rid of the Coach isn't going to help. Willingham took a bad Stanford team and made winners out of them. Notre Dame just isn't good anymore. (NT) -- gorams, 12:47:27 12/01/04 Wed
• Good post Jimbo, I was thinking the same thing. You would think that if the improvements in every aspect except on the field were that great - and if ND as a university professes to care about the kids' education and moral development - he should get at least the full four years. If the W-L record was still not up to par after his fourth year then I could understand the firing. This incident revealed ND is as nakedly corrupt as the rest of the big I-A programs. (NT) -- DamnRam, 13:01:11 12/01/04 Wed
• Remember Notre Dame acquiesed when richard phelps broke his Fordham contract. they are holy than thou phonies in the most boring state in the Union. (NT) -- Meagher 74, 18:01:41 12/01/04 Wed
  • How are they hypocritical? You think Willingham did not know the expectations of him when he took the job? Get a clue. They fired O'leary for a minor gaffe in his resume that was inconsequential. What should they do next hire a disabled, native american gay woman as coach? willingham left a better academic school to go to ND he knew the deal and he will be fine and get another job in a heartbeat., Notre Dame wants to be in contention to win a championship every year, whether it is realistic or not remains to be seen, but that was the clear expectation. WIllingham knew it and took the risk. (NT) -- Chief Nakahoma, 22:17:03 12/01/04 Wed
• Willingham did not deliver on what was expected. It is a bottom line business. What the people at Notre Dame and the other great football powers don't want to accept is that the old days are gone, probably forever. ND, Alabama, Nebraska, all of the traditional powers, don't have a monopoly on the game anymore. A coach going in there has to have his eyes open and realize he's being asked to do the impossible. If he signs on, he is expected to produce. As we all know, athletics on this level has little to do with sport. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 09:13:05 12/02/04 Thu
  • I agree that he did not deliver what was expected, most likely b/c the expectation was unrealistic. If they expected him to turn things around in less than 4 years then they in essence were admitting that the guy he replaced left the program in decent enough shape player-wise. I doubt many coaches will take a job if they are told that they have 3 years to produce. How many classes did Willingham actually have time to bring in? I know he definitely did not see any of them graduate, but am curious if he even brought in 3 classes or if his first class was similar to Whittenburg's first class. (NT) -- JóDete93, 11:31:19 12/02/04 Thu
    • He really only had two classes. The expectations aren't realistic, but you have to know that going in. I have to think getting blown out on prime time national tv didn't help. I don't know why they think Meyer is the answer. He's coming into a world at Notre Dame that has nothing in common with Utah, no matter how successful they've been. The day he walks into ND, the clock is running. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 15:55:55 12/02/04 Thu
      • Wasn't Meyer an Asst. Coach at Notre Dame for a while? If so, he certainly knows what he's getting into. (NT) -- Rambacker, 16:57:41 12/02/04 Thu
        • He knows what they want. 10-1 every year and Top 10. The team to have a 3.0 average with 2-3 first round draft picks every year. It goes without saying that none of these kids should get arrested, get in fights or assault their girl friends. You could do it once in a while but no school can sustain that any more. Being an assistant at ND gives him a lot of insight I guess. I don't think much of what he brings from Utah is necessarily transferable. No Tennessee's or Michigan on Utah's schedule. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 17:18:45 12/02/04 Thu
          • Don't discredit Meyer's coaching ability. His team at Utah would whoop Tennessee or Michigan this year and he should be able to get Notre Dame to the same point. (NT) -- gorams, 21:12:51 12/02/04 Thu
          • My point is Meyer knows exactly what he's getting into at Notre Dame because he already coached there. I'm not talking about his coaching ability. (NT) -- Rambacker, 23:09:37 12/02/04 Thu
            • The stakes are even higher now and the business is more cut throat. You may be right but I think it's like being president. people will tell you what to expect but once you get there it is a different ball game. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:43:41 12/03/04 Fri
      • Meyer picks Gators over Irish (he's no dummy) -- Click here. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:32:52 12/03/04 Fri
        • He knew what he was getting into, that's why he didn't take it. ND has become the worst big time college football job on the country. This will be the third search where they didn't get their #1 candidate. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 09:06:21 12/04/04 Sat
• Can we all agree that its awesome to see Notre Dame sucking so badly? They should start Rudy he'd probably produce more than the players they've got now. (NT) -- gorams, 12:45:00 12/02/04 Thu
• Even though Notre dame has not done well. Willingham definitely helped the program. The bottom line is top recruits don't want to go to a small catholic university anymore. Too many restrictions and to be honest most top high school athletes don't care about how good the education is. They want to go to the NFL. I believe he did well with what he had to work with (NT) -- Prince, 15:42:25 12/02/04 Thu
  • Gee prince with what he had to work with? A national telesvision contract, top 10 facilities, the richest tradition in sports next to the yankees, a huge contract and funding in the top 3. get a freakin' clue. (NT) -- Oneal tooteen, 18:08:53 12/02/04 Thu
    • Notre Dame was ranked 13th 18th and 5th the past 3 years in recruiting. Yeah, I guess they can not get anybody to go there Prince. (NT) -- Fax, 18:22:04 12/02/04 Thu
      • Prince speaks sense. Many high school seniors are not so sophisticated as you make them out. They want to be pros. That is what motivated them not national tv contract, top 10 facilities. a top traditoon , a huge contract (whatever that means) and funding in the top 3. Do you hin they talk among themselves about those things and the courses they want to take? (NT) -- Prince is right, 20:18:49 12/02/04 Thu
        • Willingham was getting paid huge money. He was given very specific expectations that he himself understood and acknowledged. Notre Dame ahs recruited well, including a 5th ranked class in 2003. Prince speaks utter gibberish , absolutely no facts or data to backup Prince's comments. Not shocking. (NT) -- Toot, 20:30:50 12/02/04 Thu
          • What are you talkin about? I read a story in which ND officials that were interviewed said the exact same things I said when it comes to getting the best players. Check your own facts. And for the record gibberish can't be understood. Its not shocking to me for you to say something so stupid. (NT) -- Prince, 22:41:08 12/14/04 Tue
        • Prince's take on ND and College sports in general is on the money. Kids want to go to the program where they think they have the best shot to go pro. Many of them are blinded to what college is supposed to be about. ND used to be one of the schools cornering the market on the best prospects. Willingham did ok under the circumstances. The good fathers at ND have their heads in the clouds if they think they can contend for championships every year with the type of kids they've been getting. I'll bet anything they are going to loosen up on who they bring in. You can't win any other way. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:41:13 12/03/04 Fri
      • Class rankings mean nothing. FSU has had a top 5 recruiting class for the last few years and tell me how many National Championships they have (NT) -- Prince, 22:32:30 12/14/04 Tue
    • All that stuff is great, but it doesn't mean you are going to win. If you look at the best players on their team, they really aren't that great. (NT) -- Prince, 22:35:56 12/14/04 Tue
• Ahhh rankings people.... yeah those recruiting rankings were really holding true as USC's players were trotting past the Irish defenders and their lineman were getting bulldozed. How about you guys pull your heads away from the magazines for one second and actually watch the game. The talent at Notre Dame stinks!!! (NT) -- gorams, 19:46:11 12/02/04 Thu
• Toot you sound like more of an idiot w/ every post! Did you watch their games this year or are you just a magazine junkie? Knute Rockne wouldn't have won more games than Willingham. (NT) -- gorams, 20:56:34 12/02/04 Thu
  • Where are these class rankings coming from? I haven't seen their classes in the top 25 in any of the past three years. (NT) -- CKRAM98, 13:02:26 12/03/04 Fri
    • http://espn.go.com/recruiting/s/earlysignTop25.html (NT) -- King, 13:22:47 12/04/04 Sat
      • That is early signings from 2002. Last year in the final class rankings they were not in the top 25 (prove me wrong). (NT) -- CKRAM98, 10:03:59 12/06/04 Mon
    • ND has been in top 20 of recruitng classes the past 5 years on every major recruiting ranking service. Hence Prince has no idea what he is talking about when he says that top athletes do not want to go to ND, that's just factually wrong. Stop defending that big mouth and look at some of the garbage he posts which is usually flat wrong. (NT) -- Fordham Rams #25, 14:42:54 12/04/04 Sat
      • No coaches look at these "rankings" at all. They only mention them if they are named in them but no one takes it seriously. Many of the kids who get scholarships are projects and aren't on any of these scouting service's radars. That's why they redshirt so many freshmen. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:20:02 12/05/04 Sun
        • Of course rankings are subjective but are the only barometers for what is used to determine whether the elite high school players are choosing certain schools. Clearly, over the past 5 years Notre Dame has been right smack in the mix with all of the other football powers. Again, we are singling out one preposterous argument, that being that the high school eleites no longer want to go to a "small Catholic scoohl" that is the argument here and as usual Prince is 180 degrees from the truth. Stop trying to defend these idiotic comments from Prince, stick with the issue at hand. (NT) -- FU Rams #25, 10:36:03 12/05/04 Sun
          • Has Prince been informed that there are only 2 Catholic schools playing D-1A football? Boston College has done very very well the past 5 years. I guess Prince as usual is misinformed. His posts are factually inaccurate, opinionated loads of garbage. (NT) -- BC Eagles, 11:06:19 12/05/04 Sun
            • And you saying that Boston College is doing great is a opinionated piece of crap. They suck. They would probably beat the crap out of Forfham, but they suck in 1-A. Didn;t they almost lose to Temple or Duke? (NT) -- Prince, 22:55:20 12/14/04 Tue
          • Rams 25, how can I be 180 degrees away from the truth when all I was stating is an opinion. When I look at recruiting websites I never see the top players list ND. Tell me when is the last time a player in the top 10 went to ND. You show me some facts. (NT) -- Prince, 22:50:28 12/14/04 Tue
      • You're joking w/ this post right? (NT) -- gorams, 19:46:02 12/06/04 Mon
      • It seems as though whenever I say something one of you so-called men must find a way to insult me. What is the hostility for? I would love to know b/c if you take what is said on the message board that serious you really need something else in your life. Do you need a hobby or something. (NT) -- Prince, 22:45:02 12/14/04 Tue
• Boston College is a team that has done well lately? Obviously you don't set your sights very high. I don't care what ranking you look at. Watch ND on the field and they don't have the athletes to compete w/ the top programs. You're an idiot if you're gonna base your arguement on some magazine publication of ND's ranking as far as their recruiting classes. They are slower smaller and aren't even close to being fast enought to play w/ the top programs. Just look at the USC game, Prince actually PLAYED the game and his comments make more sense than yours ever have. (NT) -- gorams, 12:53:28 12/06/04 Mon
  • Agree with GO Rams and Prince. ND is living in the past. They are not top dog anymore with respect to recruits or apparently with would be coaches. Didn't they realize that the President of Florida had just come there from the Presidency of Utah, that he was friends with Meyer and that they had been speaking for a year about his going there to Florida. ND just assumed Meyer would just die to go there. BC you have some tough years ahead too (NT) -- FU, 14:09:26 12/06/04 Mon
    • BC "Whore U." at least lives in reality and they freely admit that college athletics has nothing to do with higher ed. What school has been involved in more scandals over the past 20 years? What school jumped into a conference with the closest competitor is about 400 miles away and the rest of the conference is in another geographic region? That's right, our Jesuit friends from Boston. Give ND a little more time though, it looks like they have come to the same conclusion. (NT) -- Ramadama, 09:03:34 12/07/04 Tue
      • It'll be interesting to see how the move to the ACC will affect applications to BC from the Southeastern US and how it affects their overall academic standing. Why do I get the feeling that the move will help BC improve their academic standing? (NT) -- Rambacker, 18:15:06 12/07/04 Tue
        • You feel that way I guess because you are envious of schools with big time athletic programs, even the wonderful Catholic schools who have totally sold out to get there. You can justify anything if you really want to. (NT) -- Ramadama, 08:41:29 12/08/04 Wed
          • That's a whole other arguement. I don't consider the Notre Dames/BC's selling out. I wish Fordham would do the same. Its not selling out, its competing. However, this argument was about how Notre Dame (eventhough they've sold out) still isn't competing w/ the top programs. They still suck! (NT) -- gorams, 12:13:41 12/08/04 Wed
            • Universities can have winning national athletic programs without selling out. Don't paint everything with such a broad brush. It's all how it's handled, and we'll do it right. (NT) -- Rambacker, 14:02:22 12/08/04 Wed
              • Name one! (NT) -- gorams, 17:45:08 12/08/04 Wed
                • If you don't know which schools run clean, winning big time programs I can't help you. Start reading. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:25:45 12/11/04 Sat
                  • In football, there are none. Give me one in the top 25 for the past 5 years that hasn't opened up the doors. (NT) -- Ramadama, 16:02:04 12/11/04 Sat
                    • I'm talking about big time athletic programs, not 1-A football. Don't redirect the subject to try to climb out of the hole you're in. (NT) -- Rambacker, 10:18:15 12/12/04 Sun
              • First, in athletics we never do anything right. Please refer to next few schedules in football. Second, I strongly believe and the national media seems to concur thi week, that it isn't possible to win without opening the doors for athletes. Look at ND and Staford, coaches fired. N'western, marginal. Duke, Rice? Please. Michigan? Where are the great teams with academic credentials? (NT) -- An Old Coach, 20:36:40 12/08/04 Wed
                • What a defeatist attitude. Glad you're not on my team. Stanford has won the Sears Cup for best overall athletic program many times. Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, Xavier, St. Joseph's, Dayton, Cal-Berkeley, Utah, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, just to name a few that have been very successful in hoops or football. Get real. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:08:49 12/09/04 Thu
                  • I'm glad there is no chance you'll ever have the chance to prostitute our academic image over football, which is the sport were talking about. See story in Chronicle today about the graduation rates of bowl bound schools. While you're at it, name me a school with a great academic reputation that has a string of 5-6 years in the Top 25. You can't because there are none. Winning football without opening the gates to players is not possible today. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 15:03:16 12/10/04 Fri
                    • I'm not talking about Div. 1-A football here, and you know it. You're just trying to stretch the subject to a place that supports your argument. We can win in 1-AA football at the highest level with full scholarships, and that's a fact. People like you who always have an excuse as to why we CAN'T accomplish a worthwhile goal are why Fordham has been mired in athletic mediocrity for so long. We can and will be successful without cheating in the future. It's all how it's handled and we will handle it right. Non-believers please stand to the side as we push forward. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:11:20 12/11/04 Sat
                      • Scholarships without a gigantic investment in facilities would be a waste of time. Even with scholarships, you are going to have to lower the bar significantly in admissions to get the kids in. No other way to build a consistant winner. It would put us where we are now in a better league. I'm not a non believer. I am highly doubtful of the University's commitment to the program. As you yourself has said, this latest facility upgrade is a bandaid. I will believe it when I see it. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 11:15:30 12/11/04 Sat
                        • We all need to believe and stay positive on this. It can happen but we have to make it happen. That includes stepping up financially. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:28:26 12/11/04 Sat
                        • The FieldTurf, lights and renovated lockerrooms may be a bandaid, but they're a relatively significant and sorely needed one that will take us through the next 5-10 years while we work on getting better facilities as part of a strategic plan (which I'm sure will include upgraded basketball facilities as well). The fact that Fordham invested in the incremental upgrades at all shows me that they are committed to our success, albeit at a level reasonably commensurate to the stakes involved (non-schollie Patriot League). The real "stepping up" now needs to come from the alumni and students. (NT) -- DamnRam, 13:51:49 12/13/04 Mon
                          • That's absolutely right. But please do us all a favor and drop the "10 years" part. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:36:52 12/13/04 Mon
                          • Re: The FieldTurf, lights and renovated lockerrooms may be a bandaid, but they're a relatively significant and sorely needed one that will take us through the next 5-10 years while we work on getting better facilities as part of a strategic plan (which I'm sure will include upgraded basketball facilities as well). The fact that Fordham invested in the incremental upgrades at all shows me that they are committed to our success, albeit at a level reasonably commensurate to the stakes involved (non-schollie Patriot League). The real "stepping up" now needs to come from the alumni and students. -- Rammy, 14:28:46 12/22/04 Wed

• Thanks for posting this, it's very helpful. But I have a correction. It will NOT take 10 years to raise the funds for a Convocation Center and Recreation Complex. A new Campus Center is a given because that's been discussed already. But what's most critical to consider is that these buildings can be built BEFORE the funds are fully raised. Rarely are college facilities built only after all funds for their construction are raised. (NT) -- Rambacker, 15:48:44 12/20/04 Mon
  • You are correct that it doesn't have to take 10 years to raise the funds, but this is Fordham - land of the 13% alumni giving rate. If the center can be used as a focus for a new drive then that rate could increase, but then again we're talking about an administration that misses every easy opportunity that comes their way. You are correct that the funds don't have to be all raised in advance - BU has only raised 25% of what they need to cover the costs of the fitness and rec center - but for a project on the scale I was proposing we would need to have a large part of it upfront. (NT) -- DamnRam, 16:20:47 12/20/04 Mon
    • Incorrect. We will need 20-30% of the funds necessary to build such a complex upfront to begin construction, which is the norm. Construction can begin in 3-5 years after approval of this project. (NT) -- Rambacker, 23:06:16 12/20/04 Mon
• Amazing fitness center: “lazy river” for jogging against a water current, climbing wall, elevated 1/8-mile jogging track, etc. Boston University is one of Fordham’s direct competitors for students. In fact, its listed by the Princeton Review as one of the schools Fordham students “also apply to”. With the construction of the new fitness center, as well as the arena, the competition has just gotten a lot stiffer. Here’s link to the fitness center’s “features” page -- Click here. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:31:33 12/20/04 Mon
• Is this a change of thinking on your part? Aren't you the poster who used to tell us that the administration had all sorts of "mission critical" proposals that took priority over athletic and recreational facilities? Didn't you advise us to stop fantasizing about a new basketball arena or football stadium until we consistently have overflow crowds in the current ones? Have you found the faith? Or am I thinking of someone else? (NT) -- JCC, 20:12:43 12/20/04 Mon
  • Wow. State of the art stuff. Most surveys from students say that recreation facilities are one of the highest priorities they look at when picking a school. As for funding it, if the project is part of an overall capital campaign, 25% of the overall goal would be met during the quiet phase of the campaign and donors can often be prodded to support the president's highest priorities. Most buildings are also financed with some bond money so once the building plans are set and the campaign is underway, a building like this could realistically go up in 3-4 years, barring logistical issues. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 10:18:47 12/21/04 Tue
    • How do you bar logistical issues on a very compact campus where every space is so heavily utilized? (more inside) -- DamnRam, 11:36:44 12/21/04 Tue
      • Big time planning. It can be done. I saw the whole UConn campus be rebuilt in 4 years. Needs comitment and once the plan is set, you move forward, no looking back. I;m no expert but i think the good news is that the terraine on campus would yield few delays. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 18:56:54 12/21/04 Tue
        • Re: Big time planning. It can be done. I saw the whole UConn campus be rebuilt in 4 years. Needs comitment and once the plan is set, you move forward, no looking back. I'm no expert but I think the good news is that the terrain on campus would yield few surprises causing delays. The rest is planning. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:02:56 12/21/04 Tue
  • My position on the matter -- DamnRam, 10:57:56 12/21/04 Tue
    • St. Joe's is having internal discussions about a new convocations center. That would leave Fordham and LaSalle in the dust. (NT) -- Rambacker, 11:15:48 12/21/04 Tue
      • St. Joe's had capacity and sellout crowds all of last year. Their athletic supporters now have the undeniable credibility to say that they have "earned" and "need" such a facility, that they now have the opportunity to solidify their gains. Our decade-long losing streak and the silence coming from our persistently empty seats in a very small gym, on the other hand, is deafening. Right now leading with basketball's needs is not a winning argument. Better to open the discussion with the fitness/rec center. (NT) -- DamnRam, 11:34:00 12/21/04 Tue
        • On the contrary, that would be detrimental to our athletic program. What if a recreation center were built and not a convocations center? That would be a disaster. Fr. McShane is doing his homework and is becoming aware of the need for and benefits of a multi-purpose convocations center. A convocations center with 10-12 different functions and benefits to the Fordham community is a much easier sell than a recreation complex. It complements a new Campus Center perfectly, but I feel this is all moot as the three facilities will be planned and constructed as a single entity. (NT) -- Rambacker, 18:00:00 12/21/04 Tue
          • RB, I agree that it would be a disaster for athletics to have one part built but not the other two. I do think they should all be planned to be part of one fully integrated entity so in one sense your point about "moot" is correct. Logistically however I don't see any realistic way to construct the entire thing at once without essentially shutting the school down or causing massive inconvenience to the student body (aka the paying customers) over a two year period. A phased approach over a longer period of time is I think the only realistic way to tackle that problem. (NT) -- DamnRam, 18:44:41 12/21/04 Tue
          • I'd hope to do both. As matter of priority though, student's needs hav to come first. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:11:24 12/21/04 Tue
      • That would be very detrimental to the program. If e can't spent what is needed to be like the big boys, we shouldn't try to play with them. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:14:29 12/21/04 Tue
• If the past is any indication, Fordham won’t be constructing new athletic buildings anytime soon. In the last two decades, the University has added approximately 1.1 million square feet of academic and residential space. In that time, the only new construction devoted to athletics was the 3,200-square-foot Walsh Athletic Training Center, which was completely funded by alumni donations ($500,000 from Bill Walsh ’51 which was matched dollar for dollar by members of the Gridiron Club). More below… (NT) -- ramMan, 18:20:41 12/21/04 Tue
  • Hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent in the last two decades on new construction on both campuses, but only $1 million of it was for an athletic building. Below is a list of all new construction on the Rose Hill and Lincoln Center campuses in the last 20 years:
    O’Hare Hall (2000)
    Walsh Library (1997)
    Walsh Athletic Training Center (1997)
    Lowenstein Building expansion (1994)
    McMahon Hall (1993)
    McGinley Center expansion (1988)
    Alumni Court North (1987)
    Alumni Court South (1987)
    Tierney Hall (1986)
    Law School additions (1984 and 1987) (NT) -- ramMan, 18:23:22 12/21/04 Tue

I'm not sure why there isn't press release on the Fordham Athletics Web site, but yesterday Tad Kornegay was named First Team Associated Press I-AA All-American.
Oh well, maybe someone in the SID office will read the news on this board.

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• Re: Unbelievable! To be a First Team AP-1-AA All American is the best such award! And the kind is from New Jersey as well. Your AD and SID should be all over this! (NT) -- Go...'gate, 10:02:42 12/16/04 Thu
  • The Associated Press made its announcement yesterday afternoon. It's now 10:30am ET and no Fordham press release. Oh, well. (NT) -- ramMan, 10:29:05 12/16/04 Thu
    • They are probably busy with all the other sports that are going on right now! (NT) -- JóDete93, 10:59:44 12/16/04 Thu
• These awards are getting to be annoying, hey we had one last year. You people must think we've nothing better to do than publicize one of our few successes. Enough said, I'm going winter golfing. (NT) -- Guess Who, 11:22:32 12/16/04 Thu
• Finally, a press release (at 11:45am ET) -- Click here. (NT) -- ramMan, 11:44:32 12/16/04 Thu
  • Shhh. Maybe, the SID will be innovative a post a release to the Patriot League Conference site. I wonder if we all are independently PR savants, or no one in that position at Rose Hill has a clue. (NT) -- toby, 13:12:13 12/16/04 Thu
    • Seriously, Frank Tavani takes a dump at his Tuesday luncheon during the season and Lafayette posts a press release on the PL site. Bucknell and Lehigh regular tout player accoumplishments on the PL site. Will FU ever get it? (NT) -- Smar Llabtoof, 10:42:08 12/17/04 Fri
  • The release is titled "FORDHAM’S TAD KORNEGAY NAMED ASSOCIATED PRESS & AFCA FIRST ALL-AMERICAN". Is it me or does something sound a bit off in that title? (NT) -- JóDete93, 14:55:26 12/16/04 Thu
    • The word "TEAM" is missing. I noticed it too when I first read the release. It was probably written in haste, like the messages we post on this board. ;-) (NT) -- ramMan, 15:49:32 12/16/04 Thu
      • It has since been fixed. Somebody either reads these boards or does their proofreading after publishing the release. (NT) -- JóDete93, 09:32:40 12/17/04 Fri
• The press release story gets worse. Read both the Dec. 13th and 16th press releases. Note that the release on the 16th only changes a few words from the Dec. 13th release. It makes no comment on the significance of being selected to the AP and the coaches' teams. My understanding is that the latter two selections are of much greater significance than those reported on in the Dec. 13th release. My guess is that the posters here are dead right. Someone woke up in the SID office and rushed out a virtual repeat of the Dec. 13th press release. This is extremely bad journalism. (NT) -- Drag-less, 15:43:43 12/16/04 Thu
  • Re: This is as bad for the young man as it is for the school. AFCA and AP are the oldest and most prestigious All-America teams predating The Sports Network by quite a few years. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 16:59:58 12/16/04 Thu
    • I couldn't agree more. If you go to the FU homepage, you'll see there's a story there about a student getting a Marshall--a very prestigious fellowship. The press release is very well done and includes comment on the student by the NY Marshall spokesman. That's what should have been done for Kornegay. And they should have Kornegay's press release on the homepage along with the other big news. Talk about missing a chance. Wow! (NT) -- Drag-less, 20:54:31 12/16/04 Thu
      • Jo Di-Brain Dead misses another.............does he still have the podium up for Jay Wright ? (NT) -- Scoop Ramstein, 08:04:17 12/17/04 Fri
        • The podium is still up to announce Bob Hill's leading us to the NCAA tournameny. Oh, wait, I had that dream the summer of 99. (NT) -- Rams are my team, 08:47:05 12/17/04 Fri
          • Re: Now you can call him "Consensus" All-American with today's Walter Camp selection. Congrats to Kornegay and Fordham and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all FU posters! (NT) -- Go...'gate, 17:04:50 12/20/04 Mon

• and of course, football had a losing record in "patriot league. " (NT) -- ant hill, 14:06:52 12/19/04 Sun
• I concur, the guy is completely incompetent. At some point, he has to be held accountable. We are all held to some standard at work every day, week, month, quarter or year. Its time for him to go. In fact, I vow to not give another cent to Fordham until he is gone. (NT) -- 1992 Grad, 14:56:30 12/19/04 Sun
• Athletics: Facilities are subpar, marketing (on & off campus) is non-existent, and media coverage is tepid. Not necessarily a fan of the athletic management, but one's gotta wonder if the blame needs to be placed higher up.. From what I've heard, Seems as if McShane has kept an open ear to all of these complaints, so it may be too early to pin blame on him. But that said, I think Fr. O'Hare needs to carry a lot of the blame, and not just Frank & his troops (NT) -- Ram1, 17:20:23 12/19/04 Sun

1999
Lehigh
Colgate
Cornell
Princeton
Penn
Harvard
Towson
Brown
Lafayette
Holy Cross
Bucknell

2007
Albany
Columbia
Dayton
Colgate
Lehigh
Georgetown
Lafayette
Marist
Holy Cross
Duquesne
Bucknell

Average GPI of out-of-conference opponents (using 2004 GPI)
1999: 28.6
2007: 88.4

In 2007, there’s no other way into the I-AA playoffs other than winning the PL title.
Heck, the same may be true for 2006 (and probably 2005).

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• Wow, that is amazing. Good bit of info dug up. I think the talent we have though, will at least give us a shot to win the '05-'07 titles. We'll be competitive. (NT) -- Ram04, 22:00:14 12/15/04 Wed
  • Re: Yes, but stronger OOC games would be better prep for the PL schedule. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 10:04:09 12/16/04 Thu
• I know scheduling is tough and you get stuck with the occasional mid-major, but 4 middies in 07? This doesn't seem like a program headed for a move to the A-10 or I-A as many posters here would like. (NT) -- LUHawker, 09:45:48 12/17/04 Fri
  • Agreed, this is a schedule suited for a team headed to the CHSAA. (NT) -- CKRAM98, 16:40:38 12/17/04 Fri
    • The rudderless ship just lost it's sails. This is inexcusable. How much longer do we have to tolerate this level of mismanagement in the athletic dept.? It's an embarrassment. (NT) -- Rambacker, 21:32:57 12/17/04 Fri

• Unbelievable accomplishment. Congrats Tad!!! (NT) -- gorams, 13:24:47 12/13/04 Mon
  • Yes; I hear the Bengals have been scouting Jones all year. (NT) -- rambo, 13:26:45 12/13/04 Mon
    • no shot... (NT) -- ..., 13:47:15 12/13/04 Mon
      • when I first read the post, I did not concentrate on the "draft" part and was thinking more "possibility" of playing in NFL; I also doubt Jones or Tad would be drafted but would give each an outside shot at landing somewhere; probabaly not though; if Kornegay were taller, possible; Jones looks like no serious lower body strength; Bengals did like him. (NT) -- rambo, 11:33:29 12/14/04 Tue
• I think both have a 50% chance or so of being drafted.. Although they didnt have as prolific careers as last years (FU's) big 3 , Tad and Aki are better physical specimens.. If an NFL scout gets a hold of the FU/Brown game Kornegay will be drafted.. He was outstanding... (NT) -- #8, 15:46:47 12/13/04 Mon
  • I like both players.... but absolutely no chance of being drafted. Free agent AT BEST. (NT) -- ..., 17:21:47 12/13/04 Mon
• Can you imagine if Kornegay had played his home games on FieldTurf instead of in "the quagmire"? He would have had an even better season. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:23:52 12/13/04 Mon
• Hard to imagine a non-scholarship program could recruit a player of this ability. There must be some mistake. If we worked hard to attract these kinds of kids....oh wait, I've been told that it isn't possible. Great athletes won't go to schools in the Patriot League unless they come from disadvantaged families. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 00:36:31 12/15/04 Wed
  • Lucky they fell through the recruiting cracks... It is very difficult to have a student /athlete choose FU over a scholarship offer.. A close friend of mine is a PL Head Coach.. they target low income student/athletes, this way they aid is very similar to a scholly.. (and almost an equal playing field)...FU could play a solid OCC as well.. I hope FU goes to scholarship football...Why not field a better team, receive more exposure in A-10 and get a chance to play a 1-A each year.. (NT) -- EO, 08:06:27 12/15/04 Wed
  • Although very talented in high school, it’s my understanding that Kornegay wasn’t offered by any scholarship programs because of his height. Fortunately for us, he grew a few inches while at Fordham. Had he gotten an offer from a scholarship school (Villanova, Delaware, etc.) it’s doubtful he would have come to Fordham. (NT) -- ramMan, 09:15:18 12/15/04 Wed
    • And what about our QB, RB and WR who graduated last year and now own virtually every individual offensive record at Fordham for their respective positions? They got here by accident? We can have a first rate program in the PL. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 12:35:58 12/15/04 Wed
      • Immediate playing time was a big factor for two of them. In fact, Dudley was a starter from the get-go. Of course we can have a first-rate program in the PL, but it will take a master recruiter to bring in the talent. I’m confident Coach Foley can do it, but the need-based system won’t make it easy for him. In fact, one of the reasons Coach Clawson listed for accepting the Richmond job (which some on this board viewed as a lateral move) was the luxury of offering scholarships to prospects. (NT) -- ramMan, 13:26:02 12/15/04 Wed
        • Full scholarships don't guarantee anything. There are dozens of scholarship programs that go nowhere because the head coach or the staff can't recruit. If just having scholarships were the answer, there would be no losing teams, would there? College football is all about recruiting. Our aid package plus our reputation will bring most kids here. Will we lose a few? Sure. You'll lose kids even with scholarships. There are a lot of priorities (read facilities) that I would rather take care of first. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 15:24:35 12/15/04 Wed
          • You asked me if those three had gotten here “by accident”. I said NO, the promise of immediate playing was a big factor for two of them. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:03:00 12/15/04 Wed
            • Sorry... should read "the promise of immediate playing time". (NT) -- ramMan, 16:25:40 12/15/04 Wed
              • I agree, and when you don't have the promise of immediate playing time, then you need facilities to recruit, especially in the non-schoolie PL..unfortunately the same was true in '88/'89/'90 when good recruits came for 11 starts the chance to play 1-AA football right away, but the lack of facilities, poor coaching and losing records drove the program into the ground for a decade. if we stay in non-$ PL, then recruits want a winner, good facilities, nice uniforms and a shot to play by their Jr year. (NT) -- Smar Llabtoof, 18:19:29 12/15/04 Wed
          • You also say “our reputation will bring most kids here.” Wrong. If a player has to choose between Colgate, Lehigh and Fordham, they’ll most likely choose the higher ranked academic school. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:23:08 12/15/04 Wed
            • However, scholarships plus our reputation will bring most kids here. There are 120 I-AA football programs and I can only think of three I-AA scholarship schools with better academic reputations than Fordham (Richmond, William & Mary, and Furman – Wofford and Villanova are academically on par with Fordham). (NT) -- ramMan, 17:43:27 12/15/04 Wed
              • Don't sell yourself short; you're better than Richmond and I think better than Wofford as well. (NT) -- LUHawker, 10:01:31 12/17/04 Fri
                • Re: Strongly agree with LU Hawker. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 12:52:47 12/17/04 Fri
            • It's all part of a mix. You're offering a chance to be in NY as well, don't underestimate that. I still maintain that of all the things we have to do in order for the program to move forward, the most important is facilities. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 18:26:00 12/15/04 Wed

• New 400 seat stands for BB, new back stop, new dugouts, (real dugouts) new multi purpose score board, lights and field turf for BB and FB. M&W Soccer will also play on Coffey, rather than Edwards. (NT) -- FC, 12:57:07 12/13/04 Mon
  • I think having the soccer teams play on Coffey instead of Eddie's is a mistake, Eddie's is a great setting for the games. Nobody will go once the games are at Coffey. (NT) -- CKRAM98, 15:09:09 12/14/04 Tue
  • The baseball field will also have a press box above the stands. (NT) -- ramMan, 15:47:51 12/14/04 Tue
• What about movable, temporary stands for football? Also, isn't the field supposed to be ready by September 1st? (NT) -- DamnRam, 13:40:10 12/13/04 Mon
• Still under consideration as I understand. I really hope they include that. (NT) -- FC, 17:46:07 12/13/04 Mon
• As far as I am hearing, Sept 2005 all should be complete. Field turf will also be installed on the Prep field as well. In fact, that work has started as too. (NT) -- FC, 17:48:56 12/13/04 Mon
  • Plus isn't the Prep Field getting lights? That field will also be used for FC student intramurals. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:27:43 12/13/04 Mon
    • Yep, Prep Field is getting lights and a track. (NT) -- ramMan, 15:50:39 12/14/04 Tue
• Did'nt hear about lights, but possible. I understand a track will be installed as well, not sure if is going to be oval or straight away. We'll see how it all turns out. Actually, the Prep area looks somewhat small, but again, we'll see how it all comes together. (NT) -- FC, 12:47:08 12/14/04 Tue
  • Was a response or drawing of the proposed alterations to Coffey Field made public? (NT) -- toby, 15:48:13 12/14/04 Tue
    • Are you kidding? That might increase alumni enthusiasm and donations. No, at Fordham we handle this through snail mail newsletters, message boards, and forcing people to use their imaginations. (NT) -- Pony Express, 19:36:46 12/14/04 Tue
      • I agree wholeheartedly, maybe, just maybe, someone has a digital camera at the technically disadvantaged Rose Hill who could post progress photographs on the renovations. BIG MAYBE. (NT) -- toby, 13:08:23 12/16/04 Thu
        • What is this thing you call "camera"? (NT) -- Luddites of Rose Hill, 20:14:26 12/16/04 Thu

• Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. Northeastern has many of the challenges with available space that Fordham has. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:18:39 12/13/04 Mon
  • True, but they were prudent enough to acquire properties off-campus, or should I say they were forced to acquire properties in order to make a campus. I've always thought of them as a comparable institution due more to their commuter school history and struggle to transform into a national caliber residential-based school. I'd love to see Fordham adopt their co-op program model. Anyway, I knew you in particular would appreciate this bit of news as it definitely supports the cause. (NT) -- DamnRam, 22:37:29 12/13/04 Mon
    • I don't know the details of Northeastern's co-op program, but if it is anything like the other ones I have heard of I am not a big fan. I don't like the idea of going to school one semester and then working the next, to me that takes away from the college feel and college life in general and turns it more into a vocational school (albeit professional vocations). To me it does not work well in a Liberal Arts university. I guess it all depends on the details, but off the bat I would say it is not right for Fordham. (NT) -- JóDete93, 08:31:40 12/14/04 Tue
      • I can see how it would be disruptive to the collegiate environment, but such tracks can provide very definite advantages as well to both students and the school. As Fordham is in NYC and plays up the professional opportunities in all of its recruiting pitches, I think at least having an optional track available through CBA and the Communications Departments, for example, would be a very strong plus. They may already have one through CBA but I'm not sure on that. (NT) -- DamnRam, 11:01:45 12/14/04 Tue
        • I like the optional track idea. I just would not like Fordham to become synonymous with co-op program, but giving students the choice could possibly work. (NT) -- JóDete93, 12:52:19 12/14/04 Tue
• They are also advertising for a capital campaign director for athletics. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 08:04:58 12/14/04 Tue