I'm not discounting the appeal of scholarships or more competitive football, but 1) that costs money and 2) Recall the difficulty we had taking a good Div. III team to 1-AA despite the perceived appeal of that change. As for the demo's of our students and alumni, I find it hard to believe that a school located in NY, with most of its students and alums haling from the Tri-State area, Pa and New England would relate more (demo's have little to do with this) to the schools you cited in Virginia. Maybe Nova, but I expect us to be at odds with them as we are with Lehigh, et al. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: I'm not discounting the appeal of scholarships or more competitive football, but 1) that costs money and 2) Recall the difficulty we had taking a good Div. III team to 1-AA despite the perceived appeal of that change. As for the demo's of our students and alumni, I find it hard to believe that a school located in NY, with most of its students and alums haling from the Tri-State area, Pa and New England would relate more (demo's have little to do with this) to the schools you cited in Virginia. Maybe Nova, but I expect us to be at odds with them as we are with Lehigh, et al.

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Date Posted: 13:53:10 03/30/05 Wed
In reply to: Rambacker 's message, "The PL has some pretty good football. But the CAA/A-10's more exciting. If you check this board's archives, you'll find some very convincing arguments for Fordham to move to full scholarship 1-AA football. The key to improving our recruiting is being able to offer full scholarships. Better players want to play in a better conference at a higher level. That would be the CAA vs. PL. It's a simple equation. Also, there are many FU alums/students that relate more to playing Nova, Richmond, William & Mary than PL schools. The demographic profile of our fans is different than that of PL schools." on 12:27:53 03/30/05 Wed

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If you look at the budgets for 1-AA football programs in the East, we have the same football budget as Villanova, a successful full scholarship 1-AA/A-10 program that will be joining the CAA along with the other A-10 football schools in the next year or two. Money is not an issue - we already have a 1-AA full scholarship level budget. And moving from Div. 3 to the PL was a major step - moving from the PL to the CAA would be smooth as silk. We'd be a very good CAA team in 2-3 years. Let's do it and get our fans REALLY interested in football. (NT) Rambacker 17:40:30 03/30/05 Wed

Dear Rambacker & other FU fans who want to move to CAA. Despite my belief that Fordham is better off in the PL I say Godspeed. Apparently fans of FU would undoubtedly rather go to games against Maine, URI, UNH et al than have to watch bad football in the PL. Since you claim that FU has a full-scholarship budget, why isn't FU the big dog in the PL? How on earth will you get it done in the CAA, since you won't really be spending anymore $. I wish you all well, but keep in mind that if you could only win the PL one year, how many times do you think you will win the CAA? (NT) -- LUHawker, 09:26:28 03/31/05 Thu

Being able to offer full traditional athletic scholarships is the key to consistent success in football at Fordham. Aren't Lehigh's, Colgate's and Fordham's football budgets all about the same? Our interest is in playing all CAA schools, and the ones you mention are only part of the future CAA - the others are Richmond, William and Mary, Villanova, Delaware, James Madison, Northeastern, etc. It's going to be the best 1-AA conference in the country. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:36:22 03/31/05 Thu

Of course you'd play all the CAA schools, hence the use of et al in my previous post (NT) -- LUHawker, 13:18:05 03/31/05 Thu

I'm referring to your selective choice of which schools to list. A league reaching from Virginia to Maine will provide a nice media coverage footprint and many more options for our alums to attend games, receptions(raise more $) and watch games on TV. (NT) -- Rambacker, 14:16:58 03/31/05 Thu

If we're going to give 63 scholarships, why not give 85, go I-A and plan to play in the new West Side Stadium. Otherwise, I think we should stay where we are. How much attention does I-AA football get anyway? (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 13:23:04 03/31/05 Thu

Following that logic, the obvious next question is if 1-AA football doesn't get much attention, then why are we playing it at all? (NT) -- Rambacker, 14:12:55 03/31/05 Thu

We play football because we have one of the great football traditions, we can play at a competitive level without breaking the bank, and football is a great way to get alumni, their families, and students together on campus to support their school on glorious autumn days. (NT) -- JoltinJoe, 17:02:47 03/31/05 Thu

Re: Sounds like after today, you may get to see some of those nice afternoons from the new West Side Stadium. But if you are going to do that, Fordham would have to make the move to 1-A. I'm still hoping you will stay with the PL. I saw Fordham's first PL game against Colgate in '89 and I'm looking forward to many more Fordham-Colgate FB matchups. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 18:17:34 03/31/05 Thu

To ever make the move to 1-A football, Fordham would first have to go full scholarship 1-AA in the CAA to make that transition. Going from the Patriot League to 1-A in football would be the equivalent of moving from Div. 3 to 1-AA, which we already have done and it was painful. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:08:18 03/31/05 Thu

OK, let's continue following that logic. Since we have one of college football's finest traditions and are already playing with a 1-AA full scholarship level budget, don't we want to be the best we can possiblybe at the 1-AA football level and join America's top 1-AA football conference, the CAA? I think the answer is yes. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:03:55 03/31/05 Thu
OK, let's continue following that logic. Since we have one of college football's finest traditions and are already playing with a 1-AA full scholarship level budget, don't we want to be the best we can possibly be at the 1-AA level by joining America's top 1-AA football conference, the CAA? I think the answer is yes. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:04:57 03/31/05 Thu