Immediate playing time was a big factor for two of them. In fact, Dudley was a starter from the get-go. Of course we can have a first-rate program in the PL, but it will take a master recruiter to bring in the talent. I�m confident Coach Foley can do it, but the need-based system won�t make it easy for him. In fact, one of the reasons Coach Clawson listed for accepting the Richmond job (which some on this board viewed as a lateral move) was the luxury of offering scholarships to prospects. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: Immediate playing time was a big factor for two of them. In fact, Dudley was a starter from the get-go. Of course we can have a first-rate program in the PL, but it will take a master recruiter to bring in the talent. I�m confident Coach Foley can do it, but the need-based system won�t make it easy for him. In fact, one of the reasons Coach Clawson listed for accepting the Richmond job (which some on this board viewed as a lateral move) was the luxury of offering scholarships to prospects.

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Date Posted: 13:26:02 12/15/04 Wed
In reply to: An Old Coach 's message, "And what about our QB, RB and WR who graduated last year and now own virtually every individual offensive record at Fordham for their respective positions? They got here by accident? We can have a first rate program in the PL." on 12:35:58 12/15/04 Wed

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Full scholarships don't guarantee anything. There are dozens of scholarship programs that go nowhere because the head coach or the staff can't recruit. If just having scholarships were the answer, there would be no losing teams, would there? College football is all about recruiting. Our aid package plus our reputation will bring most kids here. Will we lose a few? Sure. You'll lose kids even with scholarships. There are a lot of priorities (read facilities) that I would rather take care of first. (NT) An Old Coach 15:24:35 12/15/04 Wed

You asked me if those three had gotten here �by accident�. I said NO, the promise of immediate playing was a big factor for two of them. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:03:00 12/15/04 Wed

Sorry... should read "the promise of immediate playing time". (NT) -- ramMan, 16:25:40 12/15/04 Wed

I agree, and when you don't have the promise of immediate playing time, then you need facilities to recruit, especially in the non-schoolie PL..unfortunately the same was true in '88/'89/'90 when good recruits came for 11 starts the chance to play 1-AA football right away, but the lack of facilities, poor coaching and losing records drove the program into the ground for a decade. if we stay in non-$ PL, then recruits want a winner, good facilities, nice uniforms and a shot to play by their Jr year. (NT) -- Smar Llabtoof, 18:19:29 12/15/04 Wed

You also say �our reputation will bring most kids here.� Wrong. If a player has to choose between Colgate, Lehigh and Fordham, they�ll most likely choose the higher ranked academic school. (NT) -- ramMan, 16:23:08 12/15/04 Wed

However, scholarships plus our reputation will bring most kids here. There are 120 I-AA football programs and I can only think of three I-AA scholarship schools with better academic reputations than Fordham (Richmond, William & Mary, and Furman � Wofford and Villanova are academically on par with Fordham). (NT) -- ramMan, 17:43:27 12/15/04 Wed

Don't sell yourself short; you're better than Richmond and I think better than Wofford as well. (NT) -- LUHawker, 10:01:31 12/17/04 Fri

Re: Strongly agree with LU Hawker. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 12:52:47 12/17/04 Fri

It's all part of a mix. You're offering a chance to be in NY as well, don't underestimate that. I still maintain that of all the things we have to do in order for the program to move forward, the most important is facilities. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 18:26:00 12/15/04 Wed