St. Joe's had capacity and sellout crowds all of last year. Their athletic supporters now have the undeniable credibility to say that they have "earned" and "need" such a facility, that they now have the opportunity to solidify their gains. Our decade-long losing streak and the silence coming from our persistently empty seats in a very small gym, on the other hand, is deafening. Right now leading with basketball's needs is not a winning argument. Better to open the discussion with the fitness/rec center. -- FORDHAM RAMS FOOTBALL FORUM

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Subject: St. Joe's had capacity and sellout crowds all of last year. Their athletic supporters now have the undeniable credibility to say that they have "earned" and "need" such a facility, that they now have the opportunity to solidify their gains. Our decade-long losing streak and the silence coming from our persistently empty seats in a very small gym, on the other hand, is deafening. Right now leading with basketball's needs is not a winning argument. Better to open the discussion with the fitness/rec center.

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Date Posted: 11:34:00 12/21/04 Tue
In reply to: Rambacker 's message, "St. Joe's is having internal discussions about a new convocations center. That would leave Fordham and LaSalle in the dust." on 11:15:48 12/21/04 Tue

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On the contrary, that would be detrimental to our athletic program. What if a recreation center were built and not a convocations center? That would be a disaster. Fr. McShane is doing his homework and is becoming aware of the need for and benefits of a multi-purpose convocations center. A convocations center with 10-12 different functions and benefits to the Fordham community is a much easier sell than a recreation complex. It complements a new Campus Center perfectly, but I feel this is all moot as the three facilities will be planned and constructed as a single entity. (NT) Rambacker 18:00:00 12/21/04 Tue

RB, I agree that it would be a disaster for athletics to have one part built but not the other two. I do think they should all be planned to be part of one fully integrated entity so in one sense your point about "moot" is correct. Logistically however I don't see any realistic way to construct the entire thing at once without essentially shutting the school down or causing massive inconvenience to the student body (aka the paying customers) over a two year period. A phased approach over a longer period of time is I think the only realistic way to tackle that problem. (NT) -- DamnRam, 18:44:41 12/21/04 Tue
I'd hope to do both. As matter of priority though, student's needs hav to come first. (NT) -- An Old Coach, 19:11:24 12/21/04 Tue