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Subject: Holy Cross Football Is Not Underfunded (more...)

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DFW HOYA
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Date Posted: 17:01:16 11/28/04 Sun
In reply to: Rambacker 's message, "At their current funding levels, don't expect Holy Cross or Georgetown to be successful soon. Both programs are underfunded. I'd like to see Fordham, Holy Cross and Georgetown go full scholarship 1-AA and compete with Nova, William and Mary, Richmond, Delaware, etc. The scholarships would ensure a level of quality that will excite alums and students and give us a chance to go deep into the playoffs." on 10:41:49 11/28/04 Sun

FY 2004 operating expenses from PL schools shows that Holy Cross is only 10% off or so from Fordham's budget (stats courtesy US Dept of Education database):

1. Colgate: $3,277,347
2. FORDHAM: $3,255,639
3. Holy Cross: $2,938,306
4. Lehigh: $2,735,715
5. Bucknell: $2,500,396
6. Lafayette: $2,461,679
and..
7. Georgetown: $1,164,010

Now here's another statistic that gives pause--the average athletic aid per male student-athlete, across all sports:

1. Colgate: $16,347.01
2. FORDHAM: $15,350.48
3. Bucknell: $14,744.89
4. Lehigh: $11,436.86
5. Lafayette: $10,091.20
6. Holy Cross: $7,815.03
and...
7. Georgetown: $5,319.20 (and that includes full scholarship programs in basketball, track, and lacrosse.)

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Is your suggestion that the rest of us feel sorry for or chip in for poor (often arrogant and condecending) Georgetown? (NT) As you sow. . . 17:11:23 11/28/04 Sun

Not At All... -- DFW HOYA, 17:19:16 11/28/04 Sun

not a flame -- curious, 17:26:14 11/28/04 Sun

Response -- DFW HOYA, 18:54:12 11/28/04 Sun

The average per male athlete aid amount for Holy Cross and Georgetown is amazingly low. How the hell can you compete. Full schollies in football at the 1-AA level would solve the problem for Georgetown and Holy Cross. Georgetown, Holy Cross and Fordham should all make the move. (NT) Rambacker 22:05:07 11/28/04 Sun

I guess they have other priorities. Go figure. (NT) -- Ramadama, 08:47:54 11/29/04 Mon

It's one thing to fund a program adequately(they don't). It's another to embarass the alums and students at an institution. We did that for 15 years and are still paying the price. If you're going to do it, do it right. If you're not, get out of the game. (NT) -- Rambacker, 09:33:57 11/29/04 Mon

Again, they must have other priorities. If they aren't going to do this, they should go play in the MAAC or NEC. I hardly think they are embarrassing students or alumni because they don't want to dump the requisite money into a program they don't care that much about. (NT) -- Ramadama, 14:13:59 11/29/04 Mon

Re: Great story...my father often talks about the Ram-Gael games from when he was a kid - the lineups alone merited a whole section of the Daily News, Herald, etc. It was one of the two biggest annual FB games in NYC at that time; the other was ND-Army. It is a tradition like this that makes the PL fortunate to have Fordham as a Football member. (NT) -- Go...'gate, 17:44:37 11/29/04 Mon
Wow! What a losing mentality. You're fine with a program that just wallows along each year and causes alums and students to develop a negative attitude about the athletic program. This is the mentality that has kept Fordham mired in mediocrity(and worse) for many decades. (NT) -- Rambacker, 18:41:11 11/29/04 Mon

who are you, Rambacker that you know so much on both Boards? Are you even a Fordham graduate and if you are what decade of graduation (NT) -- not impressed, 19:24:00 11/29/04 Mon

The question is who are you? Never seen your moniker before. Establish a bit of credibilty and then get back to us. Perhaps you are not from Fordham? I think so. (NT) -- Rambacker, 20:42:57 11/29/04 Mon

You dodged the question. You would be surprised to learn who I am, Rambacker. Someone whom you call "Sir" and, yes, one of our own. Now, what about you? How does one person have so many opinions about so many things without being either the smartest man in the world or a blowhard? I am sure you will claim the former but many of us have concluded you are the latter. (NT) -- Still not impressed --aka Sir to you, 18:55:09 11/30/04 Tue

You have no credibility whatsoever because you have presented no arguments against my statements. Show some cajones and intelligence by stating your positions in an articulate and persuasive fashion. Otherwise, you're just another useless poster who is probably someone that's been trashed here before and is posting under another name. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:57:57 11/30/04 Tue

The word you are looking for is "cojones", not "cajones". The latter is plural for "drawer" or "chest". (NT) -- J�Dete93, 09:41:31 12/01/04 Wed

I stand corrected. Guess I was spelling it phonetically. Have to assume he already has drawers and/or a chest. (NT) -- Rambacker, 12:38:50 12/01/04 Wed

Rambacker , your postings are better to come home to than a martini and a puppy. You are so thin skinned. You say that I �have presented no arguments against [your] position�. Scroll up, genius. I merely asked who you were, what decade did you graduate. You seem to be so knowledgeable. You have many opinions, some of which with which I agree. Maybe you should be the next AD . Let�s play a game, Rambacker, something like Twenty Questions. I�ll start. Are you the basketball coach with the walkie talkie who embarrassed Fordham? Your turn (NT) -- not impressed, 18:31:55 12/01/04 Wed

Better than a martini and a puppy? OK, I give. That'll do it on this string. And by the way, have another martini. It'll do you good. (NT) -- Rambacker, 22:57:50 12/01/04 Wed

I got your identity on the first guess! Now you are quitting. You are no fun, Rambacker. Good luck tonight. (NT) -- especially not impressed, 11:30:47 12/02/04 Thu

Once you recover from the Martinis, find another moniker. The others you've used are more creative. (NT) -- Rambacker, 17:08:21 12/02/04 Thu

Good, we are playing again. Your turn. Who am I? (NT) -- a little more impressed, 18:30:20 12/02/04 Thu

Couldn't care less and play time is over. (NT) -- Rambacker, 23:12:01 12/02/04 Thu