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Date Posted: 13:21:37 03/16/02 Sat
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Re: äî ÷îãî òóò äåí³ê³íö³?
In reply to: Òðåéòÿê 's message, "äî ÷îãî òóò äåí³ê³íö³?" on 05:30:14 03/16/02 Sat

Äîñüîãîäí³??? ² äå äîçâîëüòå ñïèòàòè, ñüîãîäí³ óêðà¿íñüê³ êîçàêè? ¯õ âæå äàâíî íåìàº. ѳ÷ çðóéíîâàíî ùå 1775 ðîêó, à ñàì³ ðåøòêè îñ³ëèñÿ õòî íà Äóíà¿, õòî íà Êóáàí³.

Îãî, ÿêà åìîö³éíà ðåàêö³ÿ!.. ß òàê ³ çíàâ, ùî çà÷åïèâ îäíó ç ñâÿùåííèõ êîð³â:) Øêóðî ñàìå ³ áóâ âèõ³äöåì ç êóáàíñüêîãî ñåðåäîâèùà. ß æ íåäàðåìíî ãîâîðèâ ïðî ñïàäêîºìí³ñòü òðàäèö³é. ß ¿õ áà÷èâ íå òàê äàâíî ó îäíîìó í³ìåöüêîìó ô³ëüì³: ðîçìîâëÿþòü ðîñ³éñüêîþ ç ñèëüíèì ìàëîðîñ³éñüêèì àêöåíòîì, ñï³âàþòü ÷èñò³ñ³íüêîþ óêðà¿íñüêîþ, º çàâçÿòèìè ìîíàðõ³ñòàìè ³ þäîôîáàìè (³ õîõëîôîáàìè òåæ). À ïðî ×å÷íþ òðåáà ðîçïîâ³äàòè? ³ä ïî÷àòêó ³ äî íàøèõ äí³â? ×è öå ãåòü çðóéíóº òâî¿ ³äåàë³çîâàí³ óÿâëåííÿ ïðî çàïîðîæö³â? :)
Íà ì³é ïîãëÿä, íàéá³ëüøèì ãëóïñòâîì çà äîáó íåçàëåæíîñòè áóëî ïðîãîëîñèòè çàïîðîæö³â áîðöÿìè çà óêðà¿íñüêó äåðæàâí³ñòü.

Ïåðåïðîøóþ, ö³ "êîçàêè Øêóðî" áóëè ÄÅͲʲÍÖßÌÈ. ßêèé ñòîñóíîê âîíè ìàþòü äî óêðà¿íö³â? ²íøà ð³÷, ïîãðîìíèöòâî äåÿêèõ ïåòëþð³âñüêèõ îòàìàí³â, àëå äî ÷îãî òóò ÄÅͲʲÍÖ², ïðèá³÷íèêè "ºä³íàé íºäºë³ìàé"?

À òîá³ âèñòà÷èòü ôàíòà糿 óÿâèòè, ùî õîõëè ìîæóòü áóòè ïîáîðíèêàìè ö³º¿ "ºä³íàé íºäºë³ìàé"?:) Äî òîãî æ, òàêèìè, ÿêèõ ³ â Ìîñêîâùèí³ íå çíàéäåø. Îñü äå ñïðàâæíÿ òðàãåä³ÿ. À õòî áóëè íàéêðàùèìè âîÿêàìè ó ñîâºöüê³é àð쳿, í³÷îãî íå ÷óâ?.. "Êàçàêè" Øêóðî áóëè õîõëàìè, ñîðð³, ÿêùî äëÿ òåáå öå îñîáèñòà îáðàçà:)...

Àëå òðè÷³ âàæëèâ³øîþ º ìîòèâàö³ÿ.

Òâîÿ ìîòèâàö³ÿ º ÿêîþñü äóæå ïëàñêîþ. Ñîö³àëüí³ ìîòèâè - öå òàê, àëå äàëåêî íå âñå. Ìåí³ çäàºòüñÿ,òóò ãëèáøèé êîíôë³êò, "ìåòàô³çè÷íèé" ÿêùî áàæàºø. Ùî òàêå êîçàêè? òà ò³ æ ñàì³ õðåñòîíîñö³. Öå âîºííà öèâ³ë³çàö³ÿ ó êîíôë³êò³ ç êîìåðö³éíîþ. Êîçàêè ìàëè ïî÷óâàòè ãëèáîêó â³äðàçó äî ä³ÿëüíîñòè þäå¿â, ùå á³ëüøå í³æ äî "áþðãåð³â". Äî òîãî æ, ãåáðå¿ áóëè íåõðåùåíèìè, à ó î÷àõ êîçàêà, îáîðîíöÿ ïðàâîñëàâ"ÿ, öå ìàëî íå çëî÷èí. Òîæ óñ³ ò³ "õóäîæåñòâà" Õìåëüíèöüêîãî ìàëè ï³äñòàâîþ íå îäíå ëèøå ãíîáëåííÿ (òèì á³ëüøå, êîçàê³â í³õòî íå ãíîáèâ, à ñåëÿíñòâî âîíè â³äâåðòî çíåâàæàëè). Öå, î÷åâèäíî, çàãàëüíîñâ³òîãëÿäí³ ìîòèâè.




Àíòèñåì³òèçì â òîìó ì³ñö³, äå æèä³â áàãàòî, öå ö³ëêîì çðîçóì³ëå ÿâèùå, áî â³í ìຠÌÀÒÅвÀËÜÍÓ ïðèðîäó. Àëå àíòèñåì³òèçì â ì³ñö³, äå íåìຠé íå áóëî æèä³â - òî çîâñ³ì ³íøà ð³÷, éîãî ïðèðîäà - ÌÅÒÀÔ²ÇÈ×ÍÀ. Ðîëþ ðåë³´³¿ íå òðåáà ïåðåá³ëüøóâàòè - âîíà áóâຠðàäøå çðó÷íèì ïðèâîäîì, àí³æ ïðè÷èíîþ.

Ìåí³ çäàºòüñÿ, òè äåùî ïåðåá³ëüøóºø çä³áíîñòè ìîñêâèí³â. ͳ÷îãî âëàñíîãî âîíè íå âèãàäóâàëè, àëå íàìàãàëèñÿ ðåàë³çóâàòè ³äå¿, íàêèíóò³ ¿ì ç Êèºâà, - ³äå¿, ÿê³ íå âäàëîñÿ ðåàë³çóâàòè êèÿíàì. Ó òîìó ÷èñë³ ³ ïðî Òðåò³é Ðèì.
À ÷è áóëî æèäîáîðñòâî ó Ìîñêî⳿ äî 17 ñò. - íå çíàþ, àëå çíàþ, ùî áóëî æèäîëþáñòâî. À "ìåòàô³çèêè" ³ êîçàêàì íå ïîçè÷àòè.

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