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Date Posted: 08:35:33 07/04/01 Wed
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: Re: Ïîëÿíè
In reply to: Ëåì 's message, "Ïîëÿíè" on 06:21:33 07/04/01 Wed

Ò³ ïîëÿíè, î÷åâèäíî, áóëè ïðîôåñ.âî¿íàìè, ìîæëèâî, êåëüòàìè çà ïîõîäæåííÿì (áî ¿õí³ çâè÷à¿ â³äð³çíÿëèñÿ â³ä ðåøòè ñëîâ"ÿí), à ìîæå, ñëîâ"ÿíàìè, àëå ñïåö³àë.â³éñüêîâîþ êàñòîþ.


×îìó êåëüòàìè, à íå ãåðìàíöÿìè, íàïðèêëàä? Ãåðìàíö³ ùå âîéîâíè÷³ø³. Äî òîãî æ ãåðìàíö³ òàì ïîáëèçó ïðîõîäèëè, à êåëüòè í³. Íàéáëèæ÷³ êåëüòè äî Óêðà¿íè, òî çäàºòüñÿ áóëè êîòèíè (ò.çâ. Çàõ³äíà Ãàëè÷èíà, àáî Ìàëîïîëüùà) òà àêàðòè (íàä Òèñîþ, òðîõè íà ï³âäåííèé çàõ³ä â³ä íàøîãî Çàêàðïàòòÿ). Íó ùå áðèòîëàãè íà Äóíàéñüêîìó ãèðë³. À ÷è áóëè êåëüòàìè áàñòàðíè òà êàðïè, òàê òî â÷åí³ ùå é äîñ³ ñïåðå÷àþòüñÿ. Çàòå ãåðìàíö³â (àáî æ ãåðìàí³çîâàíèõ ïëåìåí ³íøîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ) áóëî â Óêðà¿í³ ÷èìàëî. ² âñ³ âîíè äóæå àêòèâíî ì³ãðóâàëè.

Ìàéáóòíÿ åòí³÷íà òåíèòîð³ÿ ïîëÿí áóëà ãðàíèöåþ ë³ñó òà ë³ñîñòåïó, çîíîþ êîíòàêòó, ïåðåä ïðèõîäîì ãåðìàíö³â òàì âæå áóëè ñëîâ"ÿíè, àëå ïîðó÷ ³ç ³ðàíñüêèìè ïëåìåíàìè, îòæå ïîëÿíè ìîãëè óòâîðèòèñÿ ÿê ãåðìàí³çîâàíà ñóì³ø ñëîâ"ÿí òà ³ðàíö³â, àáî ÿê ãåðìàí³çîâàí³ ñëîâ"ÿíè. ßêùî ïîãîäèòèñü ³ç òîþ âåðñ³ºþ, ùî ñàìå Êè¿â áóâ ñòîëèöåþ Ãåðìàíàð³êà Ãîòñüêîãî, òî ïîëÿíè ìîæóòü áóòè ãåðìàí³çîâàíèìè ñëîâ"ÿíàìè, ñóì³øøþ ñëîâ"ÿí òà ãåðìàíö³â. Ïåâíî äîäàâñÿ òóò é ³ðàíñüêèé âïëèâ. Çðåøòîþ, òðåáà äîáðå äîñë³äèòè ¿õí³é àíòðîïîëîã³÷íèé òèï. Òîä³ ëåãøå áóäå ðîáèòè ÿê³ñü âèñíîâêè ùîäî ¿õíüîãî åòí³÷íîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ. Çâè÷à¿ ìîæóòü áóòè ïåðåáðàí³, òàê ÷àñòî òðàïëÿëîñÿ. Êåëüòè ïåðåáèðàëè ãåðìàíñüê³ çâè÷à¿, ãåðìàíö³ êåëüòñüê³, ñëîâ"ÿíè - ³ðàíñüê³, ³ ò.ä.

Ö³êàâó âåðñ³þ ùîäî ïîõîäæåííÿ ïîëÿí âèñóíóâ ðîñ³éñüêèé ³ñòîðèê Ë.Ãóì³ëüîâ. ³í ââàæຠïîëÿí òà ðóñ³â çà îêðåì³ íàðîäè, ðóñè òî º ãåðìàíö³ (ìîæëèâî ðóãè - öå òàê ó ò³é âåðñ³¿, çêðåìà Îëüãó ñåðåäíüîâ³÷íèé õðîí³ñò íàçèâຠRegina Rugorum), à ïîëÿíè òî º ñëîâ"ÿíè, ïðîòå ¿õíÿ ïàí³âíà âåðñòâà ñêëàäàºòüñÿ ïåðåâàæíî ç ðóñ³â. ³í òàêîæ íàâîäèòü
ðóñüê³ íàçâè Äí³ïðîâèõ ïîðîã³â, êîòð³ ÿâíî ñâ³ä÷àòü íà êîðèñòü ¿õíüîãî ãåðìàíñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ.



Ö³êàâî, ÷è
º çâ"ÿçîê ç ïîëÿêàìè? Îñòàíí³, äî ðå÷³, íàéâîéîâíè÷³øå ç óñ³õ ñëîâ"ÿí.ïëåìåí.


Òðîõè ïðî çâ"ÿçîê ç ïîëÿêàìè: ïðèáëèçíî òàì, äå íèí³ Âàðøàâà, â 7-ìó ÷è 8-ìó ñò. ïî Ð.Õ. çãàäóºòüñÿ ïëåì"ÿ ï³ä íàçâîþ "ïîëÿíè". ß ÷óâ òàêó âåðñ³þ: ïîëÿíàìè íàçèâàëè íàéìîãóòí³ø³ ïëåìåíà, äî ðå÷³, ÿêðàç òóò áóëî çãàäàíî òóþ "ïîëåíèöþ". Òîáòî âñå çá³ãàºòüñÿ.

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