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Date Posted: 10:32:41 07/04/01 Wed
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Re: Ïîëÿíè
In reply to: Òðåéòÿê 's message, "Re: Ïîëÿíè" on 08:35:33 07/04/01 Wed

×îìó êåëüòàìè, à íå ãåðìàíöÿìè, íàïðèêëàä? Ãåðìàíö³ ùå âîéîâíè÷³ø³.

Ïðîñòî ñïàëè íà äóìêó ñàìå êåëüòè, áî ó êåëüòñüêèõ ìîâàõ, ÿêùî ÿ í³÷îãî íå íàïëóòàâ, êîð³íü "ðóñ" îçíà÷ຠïîëå. Ìàºìî ö³êàâó àíàëîã³þ.

Çàòå ãåðìàíö³â (àáî æ ãåðìàí³çîâàíèõ ïëåìåí ³íøîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ) áóëî â Óêðà¿í³ ÷èìàëî. ² âñ³ âîíè äóæå àêòèâíî ì³ãðóâàëè.

Ìîæëèâî, àëå çà âèñíîâêàìè àíòðîïîëîã³â ïîëÿíè íå áóëè ãåðìàíöÿìè, à áóëè ñïàäêîºìöÿìè ñêèòñüêîãî àíòðîïîëîã.òèïó.
Ðîêñîëàíè - "ðåêñ"+"àëàíè"=öàðñüê³ ñêèòè.

ïîëÿíè ìîãëè óòâîðèòèñÿ ÿê ãåðìàí³çîâàíà ñóì³ø ñëîâ"ÿí òà ³ðàíö³â, àáî ÿê ãåðìàí³çîâàí³ ñëîâ"ÿíè.

ðàäøå ³ðàí³çîâàí³, ìàáóòü, áî ãåðìàíñüêîãî òèïó òàì ³ áëèçüêî íåìàº. Äî ðå÷³, ÷è íå çíàºø, ÿêà áóëà ñòðóêòóðà ðîäèíè â òèõ öàð.ñêèò³â ³ ÿêèé òèï ïîõîâàííÿ?


Ö³êàâó âåðñ³þ ùîäî ïîõîäæåííÿ ïîëÿí âèñóíóâ ðîñ³éñüêèé ³ñòîðèê Ë.Ãóì³ëüîâ. ³í ââàæຠïîëÿí òà ðóñ³â çà îêðåì³ íàðîäè, ðóñè òî º ãåðìàíö³ (ìîæëèâî ðóãè - öå òàê ó ò³é âåðñ³¿, çêðåìà Îëüãó ñåðåäíüîâ³÷íèé õðîí³ñò íàçèâຠRegina Rugorum), à ïîëÿíè òî º ñëîâ"ÿíè, ïðîòå ¿õíÿ ïàí³âíà âåðñòâà ñêëàäàºòüñÿ ïåðåâàæíî ç ðóñ³â. ³í òàêîæ íàâîäèòü
ðóñüê³ íàçâè Äí³ïðîâèõ ïîðîã³â, êîòð³ ÿâíî ñâ³ä÷àòü íà êîðèñòü ¿õíüîãî ãåðìàíñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ.

Âñå áóëî á äîáðå, ÿêáè íå â³äì³ííèé àíòðîïîë.òèï. Àëºêñººâà, äîñë³äèâøè ÷åðåïè ç Êè¿â.íåêðîïîëÿ ³ ç³ñòàâèâøè ¿õ ç ãåðìàíñüêèìè, ïèøå:«Ýòî ñîïîñòàâëåíèå äàëî ïîðàçèòåëüíûå ðåçóëüòàòû: íè îäíà èç ñëàâÿíñêèõ ãðóïï íå îòëè÷àåòñÿ â òàêîé ìåðå îò ãåðìàíñêèõ, êàê ãîðîäñêîå íàñåëåíèå Êèåâà. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ñëåäóåò ïðèçíàòü, ÷òî â ñîñòàâå äðóæèíû êèåâñêîãî êíÿçÿ íîðìàííîâ áûëî ÷ðåçâû÷àéíî ìàëî…».


Òðîõè ïðî çâ"ÿçîê ç ïîëÿêàìè: ïðèáëèçíî òàì, äå íèí³ Âàðøàâà, â 7-ìó ÷è 8-ìó ñò. ïî Ð.Õ. çãàäóºòüñÿ ïëåì"ÿ ï³ä íàçâîþ "ïîëÿíè". ß ÷óâ òàêó âåðñ³þ: ïîëÿíàìè íàçèâàëè íàéìîãóòí³ø³ ïëåìåíà, äî ðå÷³, ÿêðàç òóò áóëî çãàäàíî òóþ "ïîëåíèöþ". Òîáòî âñå çá³ãàºòüñÿ.

À òàì íå ò³ëüêè "ïîëåíèöÿ", òàì âñ³ íàâåäåí³ ñëîâà íàëåæàòü â³éñüêîâ³é ñôåð³ ³ ìàþòü áóòè óòâîðåí³ â³ä ñï³ëüíîãî êîðåíÿ:
ïîëþâàòè (îäíàêîâî - íà âîðîãà ÷è íà çâ³ðà), ïîëîíèòè, ðîñ.³ñïîë³í òîãî ñàìîãî êîðåíÿ. ß äóìàþ, øóêàòè òðåáà ó öüîìó íàïðÿìêó, à íå ïðèâ"ÿçóâàòè äî ïîëÿ. ßêå òàì â á³ñà ïîëå ó òîìó ðå´³îí³? ͳêîëè íå áóëî ³ ïîíèí³ íåìàº. Òî â Íåñòîðà áóëà òàê çâàíà íàðîäíà åòèìîëîã³ÿ, òîáòî äî òîãî ÷àñó çíà÷åííÿ âæå ïðèçàáóëîñÿ - çíà÷èòü, åòíîñ áóâ âæå íåìîëîäèì.

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