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Date Posted: 12:16:58 04/02/00 Sun
Author: Cowardly Parent Of 3 Kids Under 15
Author Host/IP: on-tor-unv-ap3-32-30.look.ca / 216.154.34.77
Subject: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives

While all of us love reading about your life, I wish you could use differt expletives. There are many adjectives out there. When my 12 year-old came home yesterday from a movie, she said, "Scared the f--k out of me" - that did it. Her response was, "Well, Burton said it!" So, if you wouldn't mind not using the f--k word so much, my wife and I would appreciate it. Doesn't sound good/look good on you anyway. There are other words you can use. Please consider it.

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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives (NO to Censorship!) -- Brad Davis, 13:31:25 04/02/00 Sun [1] (40-177-114-207-pm3-1.calinet.com/207.114.177.40)

I have kids too but Jeez .... come on .... If you don't
want your kids to read ... well.... don't let them visit
the board... My gosh, don't ask Burton to censor himself
it's silly. Like I said while Tipper Gore was on her soap box years ago trying to outright censor artists. If you
don't like the movie.. don't go. If you don't like the TV show... SUe the remote... LP's-CD's etc. ... Now, if you don't like the board... Well...Surf On......

Brad Davis


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Glen, 13:44:10 04/02/00 Sun [1] (proxy1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com/24.64.2.33)

Well, this is a tough one, because I usually don't engage in such debates, but . . . I am the parent of a 4-year-old and am very careful about the TV programs and language I use around the house. May I suggest you simply read the messages first before your children have access to them. Rock & roll obviously isn't the cleanest medium on stage or off . . . and I don't think for a second BC thought younger children would be reading this bulletin board, although I'm quite sure he knows he has young fans.Although the language may be offensive to some, I certainly wouldn't want BC to cut out anything or censor himself. I like stories to be told exactly the way events unfolded. Listen, it's no big deal, maybe just be more careful next time. Cheers.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Linda, 14:53:38 04/02/00 Sun [1] (srry02m04-51.bctel.ca/209.53.128.51)

I have learned that you can not change somebody else, only yourself. I use situations like these to teach my boys the difference between what they see and hear, and what is right. Maybe I can shield them from this board, but not from something out on the street they will inevitably see or hear when I am not there. At those times, they will know what they see or hear is wrong, and hopefully choose not to involve themselves in it. It is about empowering our children, not restricting them. Just my opinion.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Jerry Lasek, 15:02:24 04/02/00 Sun [1] (spider-tf064.proxy.aol.com/152.163.197.204)

Get a life!!!! I have young kids too. But we are SO lucky that Luxton will share with us. Where other Rock Stars would not take the time. I am just glued to his stories. Just enjoy it while he is willing to Share his time with us
Thank you
While all of us love reading about your life, I wiessh
> you could use differt expletives. There are many
> adjectives out there. When my 12 year-old came home
> yesterday from a movie, she said, "Scared the f--k out
> of me" - that did it. Her response was, "Well, Burton
> said it!" So, if you wouldn't mind not using the f--k
> word so much, my wife and I would appreciate it.
> Doesn't sound good/look good on you anyway. There are
> other words you can use. Please consider it.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Dakota Doug, 15:39:23 04/02/00 Sun [1] (tnt1-205-198-25-93.langdon.utma.com/205.198.25.93)

> While all of us love reading about your life, I wish
> you could use differt expletives. There are many
> adjectives out there. When my 12 year-old came home
> yesterday from a movie, she said, "Scared the f--k out
> of me" - that did it. Her response was, "Well, Burton
> said it!" So, if you wouldn't mind not using the f--k
> word so much, my wife and I would appreciate it.
> Doesn't sound good/look good on you anyway. There are
> other words you can use. Please consider it.


This could be a sticky one, but we must not bow to censorship. I question a young childs unrestricted use of the net anyway. Perhaps if the parent had been surfing along with the child (spending quality time bonding, etc), i think you get my drift. I would no more dream of censoring BC than anyone else, even someone i do not care for. We are so truly honoured to have BC here amongst the rank and file, i would do or say nothing to dissuade him from any thoughts he may have or write. It certainly is not appropriate for a young child, but then again, few things in the world as we know it, are.....Rock on BC !!


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[> Good Grief! Get A Grip... -- Fandango, 15:51:25 04/02/00 Sun [1] (1cust111.tnt6.tucson.az.da.uu.net/63.11.147.111)

> While all of us love reading about your life, I wish
> you could use differt expletives. There are many
> adjectives out there. When my 12 year-old came home
> yesterday from a movie, she said, "Scared the f--k out
> of me" - that did it. Her response was, "Well, Burton
> said it!" So, if you wouldn't mind not using the f--k
> word so much, my wife and I would appreciate it.
> Doesn't sound good/look good on you anyway. There are
> other words you can use. Please consider it.

....Of yourself and of what you let your children watch and hear. Burton expletives are very minor in comparison of what they will be subjected to during their lives. Family values should be taught in the home so that your children know to make the right choices in the face of all types of diversity. But PLEASE don't censor BC or this board; he is what he is and we like him that way. When he posts here, I want him to say what he means and not have to worry about what he says. Besides, this is AW's domain, let her censor it as she sees fit. If you want to censor a board; start your own. And that's all I have to say about that...


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Scott, Winnipeg, 16:23:41 04/02/00 Sun [1] (cflow3.mts.net/205.200.28.46)

Dear Cowardly,
If you don't like what your kids are reading here, don't let them. Sesame Street is on PBS, not voy.com/4204.
To quote Pete Townshend,
"This is a ROCK AND ROLL concert, not a fucking tea party!!"
I have NEVER read a serious rock publication without the odd swear word used. It's parents' responsibility to filter what they want their children to see. Most of us here are adults and I see NO reason to ask Burton to censor his biography excerpts for your kid. The book will come out anyway and will be available in book stores. Will you call the store and lay the guilt on them that your kid is swearing? I think not.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Chevrier, 16:28:03 04/02/00 Sun [1] (proxy1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com/24.64.2.33)

> There are
> other words you can use. Please consider it.

I have a six year old who uttered the f word once, very innocently because she heard it at school, and then again while mom was listening to Paul Simon's Capeman, where Paul uses the word extensively. I explained to her that Paul was singing about bad people, and that's how they talk. I've never heard her utter it since. And when she gets older, she may realize that there are appropriate uses for the word, but NOT YET.
Instead of shielding kids from the world, let's use these incidents as opportunities to teach them our expectations and values.
And, thanks, BC for your candidness.


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[> [> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- carguy, 16:55:57 04/02/00 Sun [1] (june.bmts.com/216.183.140.3)

And while we're on the topic, something else that I find particularly silly is the use of phrases such as "Oh, Sugar", or "Fudge" by some individuals who think they are being "proper" by avoiding S--t and F--k.

The actual word or phrase is not nearly as important as what that word or phrase symbolizes, or so I studied at one time, so those hoity-toity individuals still have to say their "Hail Mary's" for confession.....


> > There are
> > other words you can use. Please consider it.
>
> I have a six year old who uttered the f word once,
> very innocently because she heard it at school, and
> then again while mom was listening to Paul Simon's
> Capeman, where Paul uses the word extensively. I
> explained to her that Paul was singing about bad
> people, and that's how they talk. I've never heard
> her utter it since. And when she gets older, she may
> realize that there are appropriate uses for the word,
> but NOT YET.
> Instead of shielding kids from the world, let's use
> these incidents as opportunities to teach them our
> expectations and values.
> And, thanks, BC for your candidness.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- Star Baby, 17:13:12 04/02/00 Sun [1] (spider-wj053.proxy.aol.com/205.188.198.43)

>I am going to go on a soapbox here people. I have made the decision that I do not want children, because I don't want the responsibility of raising them (hell, I can hardly handle my dog). You, however, made the decision to have children and as a result, accepted the responsibility for raising them. But now, you want someone else to change their behavior, because you do not want take the responsibility for previewing or monitoring what your children read. What is wrong with this picture?
>


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[> What AW says -- AW, 17:15:40 04/02/00 Sun [1] (proxy-692.public.rwc.webtv.net/209.240.216.92)

I've never really made a point of censoring words here- my only firm rule has been "no name calling or attacks against against other posters"because that's the only way to keep this a forum where everyone can express themselves. Let's face it there's a differance between saying "I couldn't get tickets and I was $#@! pissed" and "you're a !$#$%##@ asshole"

As far as the parental thing, if my son told me he should be able to stay out past a certain time because Jonny's parents let him do it, I wouldn't go to Jonny's parents and ask them to change that.(man, I don't know if that's wussy or ballsy!) My attitude "Well kiddo- this is my rule and that's it." Period. I like to think I'm my son's best buddy but I'm his parent first.

So as long as everybody expresses their opinion in a fairly respectful manner (and we've been able to do this just fine in the past)- fine. If I have to give you a gentle little hint- I'll do it. If a post is really out of line - *I'll pull it* and I won't take no crap about it ,either.

And for all the newcomers and lurkers who are coming out of the woodwork- pay special attention- express your opinion respectfully or it's gone -*poof* and I have to say the "get a life" was a bit out of line.


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[> Re: Luxton: Your Use Of Expletives -- bcpcfan, 19:02:02 04/02/00 Sun [1] (port5-27.hanover.supernet.com/208.157.110.234)

If our heroes turn out to be human, it's not the hero that needs to re-evaluate but rather the hero-worshiper.

These are heady times on this board. And though many of us wished it to happen, I doubt many of us would have believed the events of the past two weeks would come to pass.

It IS different around here. We used to speculate and have our own ideas of what Burton was like. Now we get to ask a direct question and find out, or we get to read from the man's own diary. And while I will readily admit to not being "hip" enough to coherently participate in many of the discussions -- I have very limited knowledge of many of the musicians that luxton mentions -- I certainly hope that I'm as welcome here as the more knowledgeable fans, and luxton will continue to be as honest, and sharing as he has been. It will always remain my choice as to whether I want to stay or go.

BTW - I have a twelve year old daughter who used to love to look over my shoulder while I read and/or write here on this site. Interestingly enough, she popped in while I was reading this message. I asked her what she thought about it and I liked her answer: "Reading it on the board wouldn't make me want to start doing it." Smart kid.


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