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Date Posted: 22:57:00 04/16/02 Tue
Author: WOG
Author Host/IP: 64.187.5.114
Subject: Can't read chapter 5 without reading chapter 1
In reply to: squeak 's message, "An answer to Romans 6 exhortation" on 13:28:42 04/16/02 Tue

Rom 1:1-7
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,
4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
5 Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
6 And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. (NIV)

It's a much different score when we read the Bible in context. This particular Book of the Bible is addressed to those who are ALREADY SAVED then you get a better idea of the context running into chapter 5 for those that HAVE BEEN JUSTIFIED THROUGH FAITH.

Rom 5:1-2
1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. (NIV)

Even though Universalists like to interpret Romans 5:15 to give support to their view, a couple of verse down brings clarification

Rom 5:15
15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! (NIV)

Rom 5:17
17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will ,those who receive God's abundant. provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. (NIV)

Make sure you are one of those.

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Hmmm, it looks Universal to me -- Mondo, 23:15:22 04/16/02 Tue
- A will and freedom of choice -- WOG, 00:10:51 04/17/02 Wed
  - Did man have a freewill -- squeak, 08:17:25 04/17/02 Wed
    - What you should consider squeak -- WOG, 09:13:15 04/17/02 Wed
      - Word study on freewill? -- squeak, 09:29:13 04/17/02 Wed
        Well squeak I do know what grace isn't -- WOG, 14:12:24 04/17/02 Wed
        Therefore as the -- squeak, 14:29:48 04/17/02 Wed
        Of course God's will is stronger than ours squeak -- WOG, 09:02:40 04/18/02 Thu
        Please reference -- squeak, 09:28:02 04/18/02 Thu
        squeak it's all through the Bible -- WOG, 12:53:58 04/18/02 Thu
        Actually it never -- squeak, 07:57:44 04/19/02 Fri
        Well then use that same reasoning -- WOG, 08:24:51 04/19/02 Fri
        Where does it talk about only a few -- squeak, 08:33:01 04/19/02 Fri
        Multitudes doesn't imply everybody -- WOG, 08:48:34 04/19/02 Fri
        A Great multitude which no man could number -- squeak, 09:34:31 04/19/02 Fri
        Weak squeak very weak -- WOG, 12:49:09 04/19/02 Fri
        That's your perception -- squeak, 04:17:11 04/20/02 Sat
        I don't read that the way you do WOG -- Mondo, 09:38:00 04/18/02 Thu
        Mondo do you know anybody? -- WOG, 12:55:36 04/18/02 Thu
        Trick question -- Mondo, 13:06:49 04/18/02 Thu
        I think so -- WOG, 13:42:24 04/18/02 Thu
        I thought -- Mondo, 14:26:49 04/18/02 Thu
        Gotcha -- Mondo, 14:30:20 04/18/02 Thu
        Re: Gotcha -- sue(babe), 02:49:02 04/19/02 Fri
        Right back atcha! -- squeak, 08:04:51 04/19/02 Fri
        Re: Well squeak I do know what grace isn't -- sue(babe), 02:35:05 04/19/02 Fri
        Yes, Babe -- squeak, 08:07:10 04/19/02 Fri
        That's great babe -- WOG, 09:28:46 04/19/02 Fri
        Re: That's great babe -- suethebabe, 02:16:44 04/21/02 Sun
  - One man -- Mondo, 09:18:26 04/17/02 Wed
    - The gift -- WOG, 09:08:46 04/18/02 Thu
      - Well, this appears to be a Biblical inconsistency -- Mondo, 13:33:11 04/18/02 Thu
        There is no inconsistency Mondo -- WOG, 13:52:28 04/18/02 Thu
        It doesn't seem to ring true -- Mondo, 14:37:52 04/18/02 Thu
        Through inheritance yes. -- WOG, 23:10:10 04/18/02 Thu
        That's right and -- squeak, 08:12:02 04/19/02 Fri
        And again squeak -- WOG, 12:59:44 04/19/02 Fri
        So Adam's -- squeak, 08:09:10 04/19/02 Fri
        No -- WOG, 13:39:24 04/19/02 Fri
      - If I may be so bold and use this as an example... -- ever-a-newbie, 13:48:52 04/18/02 Thu
        It's the Bible newbie..... -- WOG, 14:13:53 04/18/02 Thu
        OK... If you say so... I guess... -- ever-a-newbie, 15:03:11 04/18/02 Thu
        So what do you figure ? -- Mondo, 15:50:44 04/18/02 Thu
        I am figuring that I might do better... -- ever-a-newbie, 16:20:40 04/18/02 Thu
        I hope you are speaking of yourself -- WOG, 23:31:41 04/18/02 Thu
    - Re: One man -- sue (babe), 13:29:11 04/18/02 Thu
      - No babe (NT) -- WOG, 23:34:06 04/18/02 Thu
        Re: No babe -- sue(babe), 02:52:53 04/19/02 Fri
        He looked like man -- WOG, 08:02:02 04/19/02 Fri
        Re: He looked like man -- sue the babe, 10:24:11 04/19/02 Fri
        Hey -- WOG, 13:01:51 04/19/02 Fri
        Re: Hey -- sue the babe, 15:00:55 04/19/02 Fri
- Yes Mondo! -- squeak, 08:10:56 04/17/02 Wed
  - I'm just reading -- Mondo, 09:20:15 04/17/02 Wed
    - 1 Corinthians 15 -- squeak, 09:52:25 04/17/02 Wed
Why bother reading it? -- squeak, 08:15:10 04/17/02 Wed
- Yes but -- WOG, 09:25:42 04/17/02 Wed
  - Re: Yes but -- squeak, 09:33:02 04/17/02 Wed
    - God loves the cultist sure -- WOG, 12:42:34 04/17/02 Wed
      - Re: God loves the cultist sure -- sue(babe), 14:37:23 04/17/02 Wed
      - This is always your -- squeak, 14:59:41 04/17/02 Wed
        Well squeak if God's will is -- WOG, 01:28:07 04/18/02 Thu
        What??? -- squeak, 08:43:11 04/18/02 Thu
        Because you don't understand free will -- WOG, 12:46:28 04/18/02 Thu
        Maybe b/c it is never once mentioned in the Bible -- squeak, 08:17:32 04/19/02 Fri
        Everybody going to heaven isn't in the Bible either squeak -- WOG, 08:52:23 04/19/02 Fri
        Maybe heaven isn't -- squeak, 09:37:17 04/19/02 Fri
      - Full Circle -- squeak, 08:54:04 04/18/02 Thu
        Then what is so bad..... -- WOG, 13:03:57 04/18/02 Thu
        Re: Then what is so bad..... -- SUE(BABE), 13:34:18 04/18/02 Thu
        God has offered forgiveness of sin babe -- WOG, 14:03:50 04/18/02 Thu
        Re: God has offered forgiveness of sin babe -- sue the babe, 07:26:26 04/21/02 Sun
        yes God forgives sin... -- shauna, 17:24:42 04/18/02 Thu
        Do not be confused Babe -- squeak, 08:27:12 04/19/02 Fri
        But also don't be confused babe -- WOG, 09:06:45 04/19/02 Fri
        Re: But also don't be confused babe -- sue the babe, 10:32:32 04/19/02 Fri
        Heed the exhortation WoG -- squeak, 08:22:35 04/19/02 Fri
        Huh? -- WOG, 09:17:51 04/19/02 Fri
        You say it with every post -- squeak, 09:46:25 04/19/02 Fri
- Re: Why bother reading it? -- sue(babe), 02:59:15 04/19/02 Fri
Re: Can't read chapter 5 without reading chapter 1 -- ;-), 06:37:47 07/11/02 Thu