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Subject: Bey Maraba and Bey Shah


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Pamela P
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Date Posted: 07:07:36 01/30/03 Thu
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I am the proud owner of a yearling filly. Granddaughter of El Shaklan and RH Light Fantasy. She is the daughter of ZT Shakfantasy an Bey Maraba, also the granddaughter of Bey Shah and Shantu. I can't find any pictures of Bey Maraba or Shantu, or Bey Shah. If anyone has any photos, sites, or info. on these three please pass it on. I would appreciate this SOOOOOOOO MUCH!!!! This is our first Arabian. We own a wonderful 6yr. old gelding tri-paint.

Thank You!
Pam P

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Subject: Non SE Breeding Lines


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Julia W
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Date Posted: 09:32:56 02/16/02 Sat
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Hi,
I am tracing the pedigree of both my Arab's and an struggling with some of the english lines, can anybody recommend some websites that may help?
Kind Regards
Julia
PS - Great website!

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Subject: establishing straight Egyptian


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Phyllis Carter
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Date Posted: 14:11:17 02/14/02 Thu
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I am new to Arabians and newer still to straight Egyptian. (This will be painfully obvious when I ask my question, I'm sure.) I am not sure what you mean when you say "every line" must trace back... Do you follow each and every horse which shows up on the pedigree back till you can go no further?
I have a black mare with Kuyhalan-type conformation (and she does show Fadl at least twice and one reference to Jellabiet). She traces back to Wadduda as her root female and everything I've traced ends in either desert bred or original Arabian. But I can't say I've followed every single horse in every generation. Is that what I have to do. Help me in my ignorance, please
Phyllis

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Subject: I never have a clue what to put here!


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 14:54:03 02/09/02 Sat
(63.46.110.70)

Julia,

Thank you so much for answering my questions. It is interesting to find out other people's opinions on breeding horses, etc. I firmly believe in alternative therapy for horses (any animal and humans to for that matter). I use herbs on all of my horses and think they are much healthier for it. I have also had a chiropractor out for my mare, Tiara. I have decided that I would rather put the money out to prevent the horses from getting sick than to have to put money out for the vet when they do. I unfortunately learned the hard way with that one. Lorelei ended up with bastard strangles and despite putting over a thousand dollars of vet bills into her, she had to be put down. I decided after that that I would rather try and prevent such things instead of deal with the results afterwards.
On to a different subject.
I have to agree with you that temperament is one of the most important things in a horse. If you don't have a good temperament then you are wasting your time. One of the things that I found that I hate about many of the Arabs today is #1 they have gotten so that they either breed for a performance horse or for a show horse. They usually can't do both. I am impressed with your horses and you view that they should be able to do both as I agree whole heartly with that. #2 Many of them are so busy breeding for a nice head or neck that they forget about disposition and other important comformation point like legs. I have seen so many Arabs these days with horrible legs that it is driving me nuts! My mare has pretty good legs but they are not the best. It is probably my own fault for breeding her dam to a stallion with crooked knees but I figured with her dam having straight legs that it would balance it. The other thing people seem to forget to is their hooves. Too many horses, no matter what the breed, have horrible hooves. #3 Those people who call themselves breeders just because they have a mare that they have bred and think this qualifies them as experts! They often just send the mare off to bred to some stallion they think looks nice when they don't stop to think about pedigrees or if the stallion and mare compliment each other. Oh well.
More questions.
What do you look for in a trainer/instructor?
Do you believe in trainers/instructors continuing to take lessons even if they are professionals?
What do you think of trainers/instructors having certifications like they do over in Europe?
What do you think of animal communicators?
Do you think you would ever use one?
Do you supplement your mares on anything while they are pregnant? If so what? Any particular reason why?
Do you supplement the foals?
What about your stallions and the horses being worked?
Thanks.
Mandi

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Subject: Straight Egyptian filly


Author:
Lorna Parker
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Date Posted: 17:49:09 02/08/02 Fri
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I recently bought a lovely straight egyptian mare by Imperial Maakir (imp usa) x Simeon Sima (by Asfour x Mohema) in foal. She had a gorgeous big straight filly by Durra Shah (by Anaza Bey Shah (imp USA), owned by Trisha Marriott of Sabtah Arabians in Queensland. I also live in Queensland Australia, and have loved horses, especially arabians in the past 10 years. I had a stud several years ago, and had a straight egyptian stallion who is now gelded. He is 3/4 brother to my mare, that is why I bought her as I loved the bloodlines so much, for type, extravagant action and size. My mare is grey, 15.2hh and a tall rangy mare. The filly foal is going to be just as tall with lovely presence. I would love to hear from other enthusiasts with babies to show off this year. I will try to get some photos on to the net. I am a newcomer to the computer however, and I am getting my daughter to help me. Hope to hear from some horse lovers soon. By the way, my filly is on the market at $7500 firm, and we hope to show her later this year if she hasn't been snapped up.

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Subject: some experiences


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 18:53:08 02/08/02 Fri
(63.15.99.19)

Julia,

I have to say that while I do agree that much of the temperament does have to do with a mare that you can have the sweetest mare in the world and breed her with a nasty stallion, the foal usually is not as bad as the stallion but not nice as the mare. There are times I think people need to be shot with the stallions that they keep for breeding. One stallion that I have been around, I won't get within 15 feet of as he will try to kill you if he can. I know one of his previous owners and she said that he once tried to attack her son and he was lucky to get out of the pen alive. Some people bought him (they knew full well what he was like as they owned part interest in him) and he ended up breaking the one guy's ribs when he attacked him. Despite this they continue to bred him to mares, including outside mares and the dispositions of the foals is not much better than the stallion's. This I have to say is a complete shame as it gives Arabs a bad name to have that sort of temperament. All of his foals that I have been around have such horrible temperaments and his owners seem to think that this is normal and the way horses are supposed to be. Now I could understand this if they had never been around any other type of horses but they have been. They own 4 full siblings that are different from the other horses as night and day. All of them have some of gentlest dispositions you could ever wish for. The sad part is that it's these ones that get neglected.
I would agree with you and the breeding manager that you mentioned that it's best not to bred a mare on a foaling heat. I have seen several times that they seem more prone to aborting the foal if bred then.
I remember the first time my mare foaled. She choose to foal at 1:30 am about 2 weeks late. Then the foal was twisted so that he wasn't coming out right. Luckily I had her at the breeding farm where I had bought her from and people were around who knew what to do. They pulled him out. The second time she foaled it went smoothly and she was nice enough to foal at 8pm so I wasn't even asleep yet. She was 20 when she had her last foal, which makes me wish I could have bred her again. Oh well. She was one of those exceptional broodmares that produced better than herself, at least in the 4 foals of her's that I have seen. I hope that her daughter that I have will do the same. Lorelei was always kinda a surprise. Her sire was known for siring horses that were always about 15 hands or taller. Not her. She was probably 14 hands maybe 14.1 if you pushed it. She was stocky and muscular but with these stick thin legs that looked like they would break any moment. Despite this she only went lame once in the 5 years I owned her. It was also interesting to find out that her dam had had 10 foals and out of all of them she was the only chestnut. It was even funnier knowing that her sire was a bay and her dam a grey, one of those things that isn't supposed to happen but does. Despite her short size, two of the offspring that I know were 15 hands or over. The one we will never know how tall he was going to be as he had to be put down at 9 weeks old. My bratty horse had to decide that she wasn't going to quite reach that 15 hand mark and is staying stubbornly at 14.3. I rode her all the way through both pregnancies, not hard but took her trail riding and everything. The one I rode her up until 3 days before she foaled and the other one up until the day before. She loved to be exercised and would rather be doing something rather than just standing around being pregnant. She couldn't wait for the last one to be weaned. She had this attitude that she knew she should be worried about the foal but she was so grateful to be away from her that she didn't seem to care. My mom's mare got stuck baby-sitting her after she was weaned and taught her how to escape. I think she did it just to get rid of her. The funny thing is that even now six years later, she still obeys my mom's mare eventhough she bosses other horses around.
My mom's mare had five foals but only 3 are living as at one point she produced twins, but they didn't make it. The one son is so much like her it is unbelievable. He is actually half-Saddlbred. He doesn't look it at all. The other two I have never seen but I can tell you that I wish that the mare had a different sire as I would find her and buy her if she did. I don't care for the majority of Polish breeding, especially if the horse traces to Bask.
Okay now on to some more questions.
Would you breed a mare to a stallion that was not your own and have never produced a foal?
Have you ever worked with mares that were bred as 2 year olds?
Do you think that this causes too many problems? (I'm asking as I have worked with two of them and they both were torn up when they did foal and were basket cases afterwards.)
Do you breed your mares yearly or do you give them time off in between foals?
What do you find the most rewarding part of working with horses?
What do you think of alternative treatments for horses (chiropractic, acupuncture, etc)?
Have you ever had any done on any of your horses?
What did you think of it, if you did?
Well as much as I hate to I have to run.
Mandi

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Subject: Correction!!


Author:
Julia
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Date Posted: 03:47:13 02/07/02 Thu
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Mandi,
What I meant on the answer I gave mentioning Tareef was in consideration of him having no performance show record. Tareef is a huge name, and his halter credentials are impressive. He is one of the most beautiful and prepotent SE stallions alive today... so I do not want to leave you with the impression of anything different...
I would not hesitate to breed to him, or Imperial Imdal that produced him!

A horse with no show record at all would be also worth consisderation, if he had all the other criteria...type, size, temperament, etc. that I want in my foals..
Julia



>How about a stallion with no show or performance
>career?
Well...when it comes to the stallions like Hadaya El Tareef and such... thats just fine.. I already know horses from that line can perform if trained...so a lot depends on what folks are doing with offspring from some of those stallions who have never shown in performance. If they move well, have good temperaments, etc. then I would not be afraid to breed to them and then train my foal in whatever I want.

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Subject: More Questions


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 20:02:37 02/06/02 Wed
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Julia,

I see the wisdom of in breeding and keeping to a certain bloodline, I just worry about getting a horse too inbred. For example, a stallion that I know of (I won't mention his name) sired two colts that both at 2 years of age broke their legs. The vet was able to save both of them. Then a grandson of his also broke his leg as a 2 year old but he couldn't be saved due to the location of the break. I don't know if he had any other colts sired by him or that he is the grandsire of break their legs it just seems that it must be more than just bad luck that these three stallions all broke their legs at 2 years of age and he was the sire or grandsire of these three. On top of that the dams' pedigrees while similar were not that similar that it was on the dam's side. It seems to me that these are genetic and probably from too much inbreeding.
How important to you is it that the stallions that you bred your mares to have won lots of classes at shows? Would you rather have a stallion with more wins towards halter or performance?
Would you breed your mare to a stallion whose show career is completely dressage or jumping or endurance?
How about a stallion with no show or performance career?
How important is temperanment in the stallion that you breed your mares to?
Do you feel comfortable sending your mares to an outside stallion without really knowing what their temperament is like?
Have you ever had problems with horses that were used at stud then gelded?
What method of breeding do you prefer, pasture, AI, etc? Why?
What age do you usually start breeding your mares?
Do you continue to ride them while they are pregnant?
Do you continue to show them while they are pregnant?
How old are the foals when you wean them?
Do you believe in breeding mares on their foaling heat or waiting until the one after?
Why did you pick the Egyptian Arabs over the other types?
It is nice having someone to talk to about Arabs. Thank you so much for answering all of my questions.
Mandi

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Subject: Just wondering


Author:
Mandi
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Date Posted: 12:27:16 02/01/02 Fri
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Julia,

How do you deal with selling horses that you have bred for and raised? Also, is there any particular age when you stop using a mare for breeding? Does it depend on the mare or is there any particular age where you don't bred them any more?
Would you know if you breed a purebred Arab stallion to a non-Arab mare, can you register then foal with the IAHA even if the dam is not registered anywhere?
Mandi

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Subject: Pete at the Fair!!


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Julia
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Date Posted: 05:20:10 01/14/02 Mon
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Hi!!
This time the fair we participated in was a Horse Fair... all breeds and who knows how many horses...lol!!! It was great fun though!!
We took Pete and he participated in the Parade of Breeds and the Stallion Showcase, and then we were invited to be in the Arabian Breed demonstration where they showed horses under lots of disciplines including halter (Pete did Show Hack).
He was WONDERFUL!! I could not believe how a stallion with less than 3 full months of riding could behave so well! He had to warm up in rings full of kids riding around on their horses, other folks warming up and general busy-ness!! His only rather loud objection was one time when a horse bumped him while he was standing waiting to go in for a demonstration!
Pete did a rather nice, though basic, 5 minute ride in the Center Arena. Of course, considering his short time in performance training, he did very well riding dressage!! He is at training level already and just needs some refinement. One lady came up and remarked that she had been looking for a stallion with his looks and temperament for over a year to breed her mare to... needless to say Pete's owner (me) was thrilled to visit with her!!
Its gonna be interesting to show him amateur halter soon.. cuz he just does not see the purpose in all the snort and blow... though he is happy to trot with his handler anyplace! He looks great and he is quite alert and beautiful...he just handles it very calmly...lol. An interesting difference in the center ring for sure!!
In March, Petey has been invited to a Girl Scout function...again multiple breeds.. his calm and sweet temperament is gaining friends quickly! And I love having a breed ambassador like this one!!
Sorry for rambling on... it was just an exciting and wonderful weekend!
Julia
El Masri Arabians
breeds for Arabians that look like Arabians... beautiful heads, good tail carriage and overall good balance are a must!! "There are many breeds of horses with powerful muscles and straight legs... It's the beauty and loyalty of the breed that has won my commitment to the Straight Egyptian Arabian horse!" Julia Heidbrink We breed for Temperament, Beauty and Athletic Ability!
Straight Egyptians in Georgia
Home of Ibn El Tareef

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Subject: Your letter was received


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Kathy Harris
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Date Posted: 13:47:05 01/13/02 Sun
(152.163.207.82)

From Hanceville, AL. I received your letter New Years Eve. Prepared an answer, but will be this week before I can mail it. Enjoy!

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Subject: Horse Info


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 10:58:38 01/11/02 Fri
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Ibn Yashmak (Feysul x Yashmak) a chestnut stallion born 1902 at the Sheyk Obeyd Stud in Egypt. His dam Yashmak was a white Kehilan Jellabieh bred at the Sheyk Obeyd Stud in 1893. Her dam, Yemama, was a bay Kehileh Jellabieh.
Imam (El Emir x Ishtar) was a bay stallion born 1886. Bred by Miss Dillon. He stood 15.2 hands tall.
Imamzada (Imam x Kesia II) a bay stallion born 1891. Bred by Miss Dillon. Imported in 1905 by Spencer Borden.
Jeroboam (Pharoah x Jerboa) a bay stallion foaled 1882. Bred by Wilfrid Blunt.
Kars a bay stallion foaled 1874. Imported 1878. He was a Seglawi Jedran of Ibn Sbeni.
Kismet a dark chesnut foaled in 1877. He was sent from Arabia to Abdool Rahman of Bombay in October 1882. Then purchased by Mr. Broadwood. He won the Mysore Cup, Mysore Purse, Deccan Handicap, Bombay Derby, and four of teh Agha Khan's Plates in 1883 to 1884. Sold to Sir R Dick Cunyngham in 1884. He won mathces in England at Newmarket and Sandown Park in July 1886 beating the Arabian horse Asil. He was then sold to Mr. Corbett. Mr. Corbett sold him the the Rev. F. F. Vidal and kept him at stud until 1891. He then leased him to Randolph Huntington of New York where he died of pneumonia shortly after arriving.

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Subject: More Horse Info


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 19:25:00 01/08/02 Tue
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Ben Azrek, grey stallion born 1890 (Azrek x Shemse). Sired only 4 foals. Was used mostly for polo only breeding. Bred by Lord Warwick.
Dwarka a bay stallion foaled about 1892. Was taken to India by General Ralph Broome in 1897. Brought to England in 1901. Leased in 1917 to the Tor Royal Stud, Devonshire where he died in 1921. He stood 14.1 hands.
El Emir a bay stallion born in 1873 was imported by Miss Dillon in July 1880. His sire was a grey Kohel Cheyti and his dam a bay Maneghi Ibn Sbeyli. He was bred by Dehemedi Elozba Ibn Amoud and exported to Algiers in Nov. of 1877.
Feysul a Kehilan Ajuz of the Jellabi strain or Kehilan Jellabi. A chesnut stallion foaled in 1894. His sire, Ibn Nura, was a Dhaman Nejib and a white flea-bitten grey. Both sire and dam were of strains collected by Abbas Pacha I. Imported by Wilfred Blunt from the Shykh Obeyd Stud in Eqypt in Sep. of 1904.
Hadban born in 1878 was a Hadban Enzeyhi and bred by Jakin Ibn Akil, Sheybah of the Daajeyni tribe, a tribe of western Nejd. He was also imported by Blunt.
Mandi

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Subject: Still Sending Pictures


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 16:08:04 01/05/02 Sat
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Julia,

I am still sending photos to your e-mail address. I haven't been able to get on the computer the last two days or so as I have been having problems with my migraines. Just thought I would let you know to expect more photos.
Mandi

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Subject: Antez, Ahmar, Aldebar, Astraled, and more


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 15:56:29 01/05/02 Sat
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Antez (Harara x Moliah) was a chestnut foaled May 1, 1921. He was a Seglawi al Abd. He was bred by F. E. Lewis II of Spadra, Calif. He died in the fall of 1944. He was used at stud by W. K. Kellog about the middle of 1927. J. M. Dickinson used him for stud from 1930 to 1933. He was exported to Poland from Dickison's Traveler's Rest in 1934. He returned to the U. S. sometime before or around June of 1940. Antez held the racing record for a half mile in 51 seconds, an official time trial by the National Trotting Associaton, Nashville, Tenn. on May 23, 1933 at the age of 12.
Ahmar (Azrek x Queen of Sheba), a bay stallion, bred by Wilfred Blunt, born 1890. He sired 19 foals. He was exported to Java in 1901.
Aldebar (Aldebaran in the A.H.S studbook) (Dwarka x Amida) a chestnut stallion born 1919. Bred by H. R. H. The Prince of Wales. He was imported to the U. S. by Henry Babson around 1940.
Astraled (Mesaoud x Queen of Sheba), bay stallion born 1900. Bred by Wilfred Blunt. He was exported to Egypt. He was imported to the U. S. in 1909 by F. Lothrop Ames and was later aquired by the U. S. Remount and finally going to the Maynesboro Stud of W. R. Brown in 1922 or 1923.
Azrek a grey stallion born 1881. A Seglawi Jedran of Idb ed Derri, bred by Sheykh Mashlab Ibn ed Derri of the Gomussa tribe of the Sebaa Anazeh. Purchased by Wilfred Blunt in 1887 and imported to England in 1888. Azrek sired 27 foals before being sold to Cecil Rhodes and shipped to Africa.
Berk (Seyal x Bukra) a bay stallion born 1903. Bred by Lady Anne Blunt. Berk was imported by W. R. Brown in 1918 to the U. S.
Daoud (Meseaoud x Bint Nura) a chestnut stallion born in 1899. Bred by Lady Anne Blunt.
Mandi

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Subject: Hey Mandi!! Thanks!!!


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Julia
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Date Posted: 09:21:42 01/03/02 Thu
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Hi Mandi,
Thank you for the pictures!! I will have a new computer in a few days and then I can make the changes to my site you found, and get these new pictures on it!
Thank you so much!!
Julia

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Subject: Have you gotten the pictures?


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 21:07:04 12/31/01 Mon
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Julia,

Have you gotten the pictures that I sent to your e-mail address? If so then I will continue sending pictures, if not I will try to figure out what is going wrong.
Mandi

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Subject: Horse Info


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 14:11:00 12/30/01 Sun
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The picture that you have of the horse named Saoud is different from the ones that I have of him. The pictures that I have show his as a bay with a star, strip, and snip on his nose and a sock on his right rear leg. He is a desert bred stallion, imported in 1928 by Ameen Rihani. He was foaled in 1922 and bred by the Royal Stables of H. M. King Ibn Saoud. He was a gift from H. M. King Ibn Saoud to Ameen Rihani. He had sired seven foals.
They are:
Rihani, bay mare, born July 6, 1933 out of Muha
Arsa, grey amre, born June 23,1934 out of Arjemone
Reuel, bay stallion, born April 21, 1934 out of Domow
Nashon, bay stallion, born May 27, 1934 out of Nardina
Rasasah, bay mare, born May 19, 1935, out of Aatika
Himmah, bay gelding, born May 16, 1935 out of Chrallah
and
Shantah, grey mare, born August 28, 1936 out of Sherah
Saoud died in 1939. He was sold from Ameen Rihani to F. C. Bersworth of Hopkinton, Mass. on March 27, 1931. From Bersworth to John A. George, Indianapolis, Ind. on August 2, 1932. From John A. George to E. Arthur Ball of Munice, Indiana on April 9,1933. From Mr. Ball to Donald W Schultz, of North Manchester, Indiana, on April 25, 1936.
*Rasmina (Shareer x Jalila) was a 14.2 hand chestnut mare improted by Selby. Rasmina produced 11 foals and was owned at the end of her breeding career by Alice Payne.
*Mirzam (Rafeef x Marhaba) was imported by Roger A. Selby in 1928. He was shown in the Nashville National Show (an all breed show) and won the three gaited class. He sired 9 foals.
*Kareyma (Naseem x Julnar) was also imported by Selby in 1928. She was of the Kehilan Jallabi strain. She was 13.3 hands and trained in five gaits. She won blue ribbons at halter and under saddle at the 1930 Ohio State Fair. She produced 7 purebred foals and an 8th by a saddlebred stallion named Kingfish.
*Indaia (Raseem x Nisreen) was imported by Selby in 1928. She stood about 14.3 hands. She had 17 foals, two of which died before being registered.
Rifala (Skowronek x Rissla) was also in this importation. She stood about 13.2 hands. She was named a gold medal winner at the Royal show in England in 1922. She produced 5 foals. She produced a half-arab foal in 1932 by a Saddlebred named Four Acres Erskine Bourbon King. The foal was named Rifbo.
*Raselma (Raseem x Selmnab) was imported by Selby in 1930. She has no registered foals.
*Jerama (Jeruan x *Kiyama) was also in this importation. She had five foals but none of them for Selby.
*Namilla (Nureddin II x Nejmia) was also imported by Selby in 1930. She produced 6 foals.
*Kiyama (Rafeef x Julnar) was in the same importation. She was a chestnut mare who stood 14.3 hands. She produced 5 foals.
*Hilwe (Najib x Hafra) was a bay mare also of the same importation. She stood about 14.2 hands. She produced 7 foals.
*Selmnab (Nawab x Simrieh) was imported at the same time. She stood 14 hands and was the only daughter by her sire. She produced 10 foals in America. She is the dam of Bazy Tankersley's first really successful show horse Selimage.
*Rose of France (Rawan x Jalila) was also in this importation. She produced 8 registered foals. One of which was Bazy Tankersley's foundation mare, Selfra (by Selmian).
The one stallion in the 1930 Sebly importation was *Mirage. It is thought that his birth year is 1919. He won the championship at the Richmond show in England in 1926. He had 27 registered purebred offspring. He died in 1939 at the age of 20.
The 1932 importation by Selby consisted of:
*Menzil (Nureddin II x Marhaba), who sired no purebred registered foals
*Rahal (Nureddin II x Rim) was 15.3 hands and sired 12 progeny.
*Selmian (Naseem x Selima) had 13 registered progeny and died at the age of 26 in 1955.
*Rishafieh (Jeruan x Rishafa) produced 12 foals.
*Raffles (Skowronek x Rifala) was in this importation. Of *Raffles' 121 registered purebred offspring 45 produced national winners, and two won national titles. 1958 U. S. Top Ten Stallion Mraff and 1960 U. S. Reserve National Champion Mare Rose of Raswan..
In 1932 Nureddin II was imported at the age of 22. He sired 4 foals for Selby before he died.
*Rimini (Skowronek x Rim) was imported in 1933 by Selby too. She produced 3 foals in America for General Dickinson.
Afara (Raffles x Rafarah) produced 6 foals.
They are:
Celeste, grey mare, born in 1951 by Raffles. She produced 9 foals
Asil Harb, grey stallion, born in 1961, by Rafferty. He produced 19 foals.
Destynee, chesnut mare, born in 1957, by Rasraff. He sired 10 foals.
Trity, grey mare, born 1955, by Hamdan. She porduced 13 foals.
Asil Altair, chesnut stallion, born 1959, by Rafferty. Sired 59 foals.
Asil Lyra, grey mare, born May 1, 1958, by Rafferty. Produced 10 foals.
Mandi

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Subject: I have e-mailed several pictures


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 16:50:17 12/28/01 Fri
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Julia,
I have e-mailed several pictures to your e-mail address. I can only e-mail one picture at a time as I have not figured out how to e-mail more. I have also included some information on each of the horses. They are Bomb Bey (Bay El Bey x *Saraha), Winraff (Orbit x Shalimar Wingida), and Asil Legacy (Asil Ecliptic x Asil Lyra). Would you rather that I e-mail about horses that I only have information on and no pictures or put it on this message board? Mandi

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Subject: Pictures of Horses


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 13:05:07 12/27/01 Thu
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I also have pictures of lots of other horses. Would like me to e-mail them to you? If you ever come across a picture of a mare named Asil Lyra, would you please let me know. I have been searching for a picture of her forever and have not been able to find any. She was a gray mare born May 1, 1958 by Rafferty and out of Afara. She was bred and owned by Alice Payne. Thanks. Mandi

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Subject: Non- Straight Egyptian Reference Horses


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Kathy Harris
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Date Posted: 08:50:31 12/25/01 Tue
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Hello,
I am mainly interested in your Straight Egyptians, but I also have info on other Arabian lines. While perusing your non-straight Egyptian Reference section I noticed that your listed sire for Degourdie 1889 is different then the one I have in my information. As I am having to use my sister's computer to go on line at this time, I am not at home and so away from my information. If you would care to write me via old-fashion mail, I would be glad to send you information - and listings of my 'sources.'
Actually, there are many of your listed reference horses (non SE) that I apparently have more info on then you. I would be glad to share all of it. Interestingly, that also includes some info on Gouneiad 1889 - a surprise as I've never known he left descent. If you are interested, my address is: Kathy Harris; 813-A Kiki Drive; Hanceville, Al 35077. Thank you and you have a nice web site.

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Subject: Addem for Message from Kathy Harris


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Kathy Harris
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Date Posted: 08:52:28 12/25/01 Tue
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Hello,
My original message is for El Masri Arabians

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Subject: Thank You


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 20:17:09 12/23/01 Sun
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Thank you for doing the index with the pedigrees and pictures. I love it! I have three Arabians and have worked with many more. I love finding pictures of horses that are in my horses' pedigrees, and those of the horses that I have worked with. Mandi

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Subject: Welcome!


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Julia Heidbrink
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Date Posted: 04:45:03 11/12/01 Mon
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Hi!
I am Julia, owner of El Masri Arabians in Barnesville, GA.
My website contains sales pages and a large section of reference horses with pedigrees and pictures to help the new or established owners of Egyptian Arabian horses understand and view more of what each horse in their pedigrees looks like, and more!
Lets talk about out horses!
Julia

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