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Date Posted: 15:59:53 01/31/03 Fri
Author: mt. healthy mountaineer
Subject: Re: What I think...
In reply to: mvd 's message, "What I think..." on 11:52:21 01/31/03 Fri

MVD: I am not a peace monger. Yet, I think good rulers should think of peace first and war second.

This goes to the heart of our whole good and evil discussion we've had over the course of the last couple of years. We make seek peace - he does not. No matter how hard we may try to make peace with some people, there is no just no negotiating with them. Why - some are just jerks. But -some are evil. Good cannot negotiate with evil because good trusts and Evil betrays it. It is the height of naivete to expect evil to live by agreements that hampers its ability to rampage and dominate.

Good must be willing to fight Evil to keep it at bay - period. You cannot have peace unless you are willing to defend yourself in this world of ours. (If you doubt it - look at Switzerland - one of the most militarized countries in Europe - Germany, France, Italy and Austria avoided them like the plague during two world wars.)

MVD - Disrupting the oil trade would seriously hamper our lives, but I fear that it is not the common man he is worried about.

That is not what this is about anymore (although it was for the Gulf War) - Sadaam sells oil now -lots of it. We want him to. We encourage it even though he plows the profits into multi-billion dollar estates and lets his country's babies starve so the TV cameras can suck it up to make us feel guilty about the embargo). The Saudis and Kuwaitis sell oil. Mexico and Venezuela sell oil. It is about holding to an agreement, scheming to violate the agreement, successfully violating the agreement. It is about hiding enough poison gas to wipe out a city. Sadaam used it against Iran and against the Kurds. He was supposed to destroy it and prove that he had. He has not...etc. You can read the paper so I'll drop it.

MVD - Should we not be looking at ways to promote our image as peace-makers and benefactors to the lesser nations?

I have a few ideas - lets host an international body to work out differences and pay for it. (we do - its the UN)

Let's build schools and pay for medical care throughout the 3rd world. (we do through UNESCO and WHO - UN bodies we fund the lion's share)

Let's speak out against slavery and apartheid and atrocities. (we did - just to be criticized for not doing more)

Let's send in the army to feed the starving in war-torn countries.(Somalia - but they killed American soldiers and drug their bodies through the streets - but now they're asking us to come back and help again)

Let's educate the world at our universities. (We trained Saudis to fly jet planes- hmmm...)

Let's produce enough food that we can give away more than the rest of the world combined gives away.(and yet we are criticized for not providing food that they like to eat)

Let's employ millions of people at higher wages than is standard in their own countries. (yes its true - Nike pays people a few dollars a WEEK to make shoes in countries in which the average salary is a few dollars a MONTH. Kathy Lee Gifford gets criticized ruthlessly for employing children in southeast asia. True. But, how many of these little girls weren't sold into prostitution to feed the family because they were able to get this job instead?)

Are we perfect - HELL NO! Far from it! But, for goodness sake - give us some credit where its due.

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Replies:

Re: What I think... -- mvd, 13:29:46 02/02/03 Sun
- What I think -- Omega, 18:49:09 02/02/03 Sun
  - Star wars emperor -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:29:23 02/02/03 Sun
    - Bush follows suit -- Omega, 08:24:38 02/03/03 Mon
      - Re: Bush follows suit -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 09:52:08 02/03/03 Mon
      - Questioning what we hear -- mvd, 11:07:21 02/03/03 Mon
- Re: What I think... -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 22:53:48 02/02/03 Sun
  - Re: What I think... -- Adilbrand, 23:29:46 02/02/03 Sun
    - I've been waiting for this one... -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 09:46:02 02/03/03 Mon
      - I was compelled to do it! -- Adilbrand, 22:56:23 02/03/03 Mon
        Re: I was compelled to do it! -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 15:35:28 02/04/03 Tue
  - Re: What I think... -- Xanthor, 08:42:43 02/03/03 Mon
    - Kyoto Treaty -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 09:31:54 02/03/03 Mon
  - How to deal with a ruthless man -- mvd, 10:47:55 02/03/03 Mon
    - see my other remarks on Kyoto - it is apparently a common misperception (NT) -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 15:22:37 02/03/03 Mon
      - I see your post and raise you... -- mvd, 16:03:56 02/03/03 Mon
        my comments (parenthetically highlighted) for fun and profit! -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 16:07:05 02/04/03 Tue
        You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mvd, 10:06:26 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 12:39:08 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: You sidestep the issues very nicely -- mvd, 13:51:50 02/05/03 Wed
        History books -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 16:19:16 02/05/03 Wed
        Re: History books -- mvd, 18:08:27 02/05/03 Wed
        oye vay! -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:27:37 02/07/03 Fri
    - Re: How to deal with a ruthless man -- Mt. healthy mountaineer, 16:00:17 02/03/03 Mon
      - Star Wars and more arguing! -- mvd, 16:33:40 02/03/03 Mon